SpiritualitySpiritualityCan it be taught? Can it be taught?

Can it be taught?Can it be taught?

YesYes No No Don’t knowDon’t know It depends on what you mean.It depends on what you mean.

To TeachTo Teach

Teacan= to show, demonstrate, Teacan= to show, demonstrate, declaredeclare

To educateTo educate

Educo, educere…eductum =lead outEduco, educere…eductum =lead out Hence eductionHence eduction Educo, educare …educatum= To Educo, educare …educatum= To

nourishnourish Hence educationHence education

Knowledge arisingKnowledge arising

Teacher on one sideTeacher on one side pupil on the other sidepupil on the other side knowledge arising-betweenknowledge arising-between discourse joining them.discourse joining them. Taittiriya UpanishadTaittiriya Upanishad

Expressing spiritualityExpressing spirituality Spirituality is not and never has been Spirituality is not and never has been

something people get. It’s something we something people get. It’s something we do. Emerson did not get spirituality by, do. Emerson did not get spirituality by, as he said, “observing the world as a as he said, “observing the world as a great eyeball” – he did it by “acquainting great eyeball” – he did it by “acquainting himself first-hand with deity.” I did not himself first-hand with deity.” I did not get spirituality by sitting in a canoe on a get spirituality by sitting in a canoe on a lake – I did it by renewing my lake – I did it by renewing my connectedness with humanity, the larger connectedness with humanity, the larger universe, and my own deepest self. universe, and my own deepest self. Spirituality is action. Rev.Schatz -Spirituality is action. Rev.Schatz -Sermon 22.1.2006Sermon 22.1.2006

Digging deepDigging deep

‘‘He is like a man which built an He is like a man which built an house, house, and digged deepand digged deep, and laid , and laid the foundation on a rock.’ the foundation on a rock.’

Luke 6:48Luke 6:48

– Q: Remembering that the brain is a part Q: Remembering that the brain is a part of the body, but the minds is not, where of the body, but the minds is not, where did the mind come from:did the mind come from:

From our individual events and soul and the soul From our individual events and soul and the soul comes from God, so the mind comes from Godcomes from God, so the mind comes from God

From the spirit. It is not a physical beingFrom the spirit. It is not a physical being There is no right of wrong answerThere is no right of wrong answer From your soul because your brain is only a big thing From your soul because your brain is only a big thing

inside your skullinside your skull The brain created the mind to pretend to be more The brain created the mind to pretend to be more

educated than everyone else.educated than everyone else. From the soulFrom the soul From the imaginationFrom the imagination From consciousnessFrom consciousness From God From God It came from ourselvesIt came from ourselves It is what is formed or imagined by something It is what is formed or imagined by something

unknown that makes you thinkunknown that makes you think

– Have you ever really prayed? Say Have you ever really prayed? Say something about it:something about it:

Yes; I felt a short link with God. I felt light hearted Yes; I felt a short link with God. I felt light hearted and forgot where I was. (AD)and forgot where I was. (AD)

It helps me be close to God, and that is the greatest It helps me be close to God, and that is the greatest pleasure I know.pleasure I know.

Yes; it was relaxing and made me feel peaceful.Yes; it was relaxing and made me feel peaceful. Only when my Granddad died.Only when my Granddad died. People only pray in extreme circumstances. That is People only pray in extreme circumstances. That is

when we use true prayer which is what comes from when we use true prayer which is what comes from the heart. (P the heart. (P CambayCambay))

I used to … in church… but I have decided now that it I used to … in church… but I have decided now that it is up to myself to get or do what I need.is up to myself to get or do what I need.

No, no yet, but in later life it is a possibilityNo, no yet, but in later life it is a possibility I have attempted but it does not seem to really work I have attempted but it does not seem to really work

for me. It is not really that spiritual… more just for me. It is not really that spiritual… more just saying things. Dsaying things. DFlahertyFlaherty) .. [Same boy on Meditation: “Yes, ) .. [Same boy on Meditation: “Yes, I think it can work and it seems to get straight to the I think it can work and it seems to get straight to the peacefulness when you realise that there is more peacefulness when you realise that there is more than just the mind and body.”]than just the mind and body.”]

Yes, I was once crying my heart out ; then I prayed Yes, I was once crying my heart out ; then I prayed and basically the thing I was praying for happened.and basically the thing I was praying for happened.

Is it possible to teach the Truth about body-Is it possible to teach the Truth about body-mind-spirit to young people, or do they just mind-spirit to young people, or do they just

have to tumble to it themselves?have to tumble to it themselves? You can give them the basics and show You can give them the basics and show

them what is what, but they will only really them what is what, but they will only really learn from experience.learn from experience.

……it can’t be taught, only experienced; it it can’t be taught, only experienced; it must be taught and not forced on them, must be taught and not forced on them, but ultimately experience is most but ultimately experience is most importantimportant

Teaching helps but ultimately you have to Teaching helps but ultimately you have to figure it out for yourself.figure it out for yourself.

Let life teach it to themLet life teach it to them It would be better to let life teach themIt would be better to let life teach them You cannot fully teach it but you can help You cannot fully teach it but you can help

them along the way for sure. There must them along the way for sure. There must be lots of inner input from the learner.be lots of inner input from the learner.

– Q: Emerson said that ‘Within man is Q: Emerson said that ‘Within man is the soul of the whole; the wise the soul of the whole; the wise silence; the eternal One’. What do silence; the eternal One’. What do you think?you think?

I would agree because at times I have felt a I would agree because at times I have felt a sort of peace almost like looking out at what sort of peace almost like looking out at what is happening, like you are a sort of watcher is happening, like you are a sort of watcher and the world is a play. and the world is a play. (DF)(DF)

When you reach down within you and find When you reach down within you and find what Emerson describes, you will be what Emerson describes, you will be unlimited. This will let you know everything. unlimited. This will let you know everything. Once you find this, you will know the true Once you find this, you will know the true beauty of everything. beauty of everything. (VS)(VS)

What is real – the dominion of What is real – the dominion of ScienceScience

The view from the VedantaThe view from the Vedanta

The scientific world engages its attention The scientific world engages its attention on only three tangible elements of on only three tangible elements of creation, and the rest is left out because creation, and the rest is left out because it is not tangible. They themselves are it is not tangible. They themselves are not very sure as to how all this creation not very sure as to how all this creation comes about and how mind and comes about and how mind and emotions work…. Unless the scientific emotions work…. Unless the scientific world is ready to accept metaphysical world is ready to accept metaphysical elements how can it proceed to discuss elements how can it proceed to discuss or understand? … Metaphysics begins or understand? … Metaphysics begins where physics exhausts itself.where physics exhausts itself.

Richard Dawkins (Professor for Richard Dawkins (Professor for the public understanding of the public understanding of Science, Oxford University).Science, Oxford University).

Selfish Gene Selfish Gene published (1976published (1976)) The God DelusionThe God Delusion Author of the Year 2007 [Galaxy Author of the Year 2007 [Galaxy

British Book Awards].British Book Awards].

Dawkins vs QuinnDawkins vs Quinn

Objective morality – where from?Objective morality – where from? Free will vs control by the genesFree will vs control by the genes Where did matter come from?Where did matter come from? What was there just before the Big What was there just before the Big

Bang?Bang? The uncaused cause and the The uncaused cause and the

unmoved moverunmoved mover

What are the chances? What are the chances?

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– Gilbert and Sullivan:Gilbert and Sullivan: ““Darwinian Man, Darwinian Man, though well-behaved,though well-behaved,At best is only a monkey shaved!" At best is only a monkey shaved!"

– Blackstone: Blackstone: When the supreme being formed When the supreme being formed this universe, and created matter out of this universe, and created matter out of nothing, he impressed certain principles upon nothing, he impressed certain principles upon that matter, from which it can never depart that matter, from which it can never depart

– Isaac Newton: Isaac Newton: Though these bodies may Though these bodies may indeed persevere in their orbits by the mere indeed persevere in their orbits by the mere laws of gravity…..This most beautiful system of laws of gravity…..This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets could only the sun, planets and comets could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful being. intelligent and powerful being.

The Mental world: Is it real?The Mental world: Is it real?

Unsteady and unreliableUnsteady and unreliable The play of three qualities/forces: the The play of three qualities/forces: the

three Gunathree Guna SattvaSattva RajasRajas TamasTamas

Do you have a spiritual side to Do you have a spiritual side to your being?your being?

To believe you have a spiritual side To believe you have a spiritual side is to have one; if you do not believe is to have one; if you do not believe then you don’t have one. [The rest then you don’t have one. [The rest were 50:50 Yes and No]were 50:50 Yes and No]

How do you know there is or is not a How do you know there is or is not a spiritual side to your being?spiritual side to your being?

Because we feel good when we do good, and we want to do more.Because we feel good when we do good, and we want to do more. Because if there was not a spiritual side there would not be a mind.Because if there was not a spiritual side there would not be a mind. Because you can be spiritual when you want to be.Because you can be spiritual when you want to be. Because if you listen to the word of God you might feel something. This Because if you listen to the word of God you might feel something. This

is the spirit (AD)is the spirit (AD) Look deep inside yourself (AF)Look deep inside yourself (AF) Because you just know it in your mind.Because you just know it in your mind. I think when you feel guilty, it is your soul or spirit telling you that you I think when you feel guilty, it is your soul or spirit telling you that you

have done wronghave done wrong I feel it when I’m doing something wrong. (TC)I feel it when I’m doing something wrong. (TC) It does not come down to help you, so there is not a spiritual side.It does not come down to help you, so there is not a spiritual side. I do not know, but I believe I haveI do not know, but I believe I have I just knowI just know I’m not certain, but I know there is something more than just your mind I’m not certain, but I know there is something more than just your mind

and body; I have felt at times a sort of out-of-body experience which and body; I have felt at times a sort of out-of-body experience which could be for me the Soul. (D F)could be for me the Soul. (D F)

There is a spiritual side to me but I don’t know how I know.There is a spiritual side to me but I don’t know how I know. Because I just know. When I’m really happy I can almost kinda sense it.Because I just know. When I’m really happy I can almost kinda sense it. Just look outside; everything couldn’t have accidentally happened. (N C)Just look outside; everything couldn’t have accidentally happened. (N C) I know there is more to life than just acting out the physical world or I know there is more to life than just acting out the physical world or

else we would not existelse we would not exist

the ‘letting go’ exercises:the ‘letting go’ exercises:

Simple Awareness of bodySimple Awareness of body Watching the breathingWatching the breathing Holding awareness of the sensesHolding awareness of the senses Watching the movements of the Watching the movements of the

mindmind Letting go of everything that is not Letting go of everything that is not

the essential ‘I’ – ‘not this… not the essential ‘I’ – ‘not this… not this…’this…’

Concentration exercisesConcentration exercises

Just looking at an object, and then Just looking at an object, and then being aware of what is watchingbeing aware of what is watching

Watching the ClockWatching the Clock Listening to a note/sound as it dies Listening to a note/sound as it dies

away to absolute silence, and keep away to absolute silence, and keep listeninglistening