=========================================================================Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 03:49:56 -0400Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova UniversitySubject: Re: Patents

Kiyoshi Kuromiya wrote:

> The reason patents have been extended is that because of the long>development and approval time required for AIDS drugs in development,>pharmaceutical companies have a shorter length of time to recover their>development costs--hence, the extension for those reasons.

A small quote from Irving Kayton's monumental _Patent Practice_,5th edition, volume 5, page 21-20:

Although utility patents are granted a term of 17 years, and... expire 17 years from the date of issuance, 35 USC section 156... provides for an extension of this term under narrow circumstances of delay due to regulatory review by the Food and Drug Administration or the US Dept of Agriculture...

Patented human drug products, medical devices, food additives and color additives subject to regulatory review for their safety and efficacy had long suffered from want of the full 17 years of statutory protection otherwise provided by 35 USC 154. Invariably the required testing period prior to FDA approvals for commercial sale and use invaded the 17 year period--often for a period of several years; sometimes for most of the statutory period. Enacted September 24, 1984, 35 USC 156 extends the term (life) of a patent up to a maximum of five years to offset lost time in the patent's life due to FDA review.

To get this extension, one applies to the patent office, who may grantsuch an extension, based on the amount of time the FDA held back useduring testing, but "no matter how much patent time was sacrificedby the FDA... the remaining time under the patent after extensionis not permitted to total more than 14 years."

>>...in the>>last couple of days, both the NY Times and the Boston Globe have carried>>stories about how some patents (and I'm not sure why some and not others)>>have been extended to 20 years, because of GATT efforts to make patents more>>uniform throughout the world.

I believe that applies to all utility patents, vs. design patents,plant patents, etc. That's a different story. A moving target...

>>In particular, regarding patents on drugs,>>which up until now in the US have expired 17 years after issuance,>> "Effective June 8, the patents will extend to 20 years from the date the>>manufacturers filed for a patent." -- Boston Globe, 26 May '95, p. 10,

I think this applies more than just drug patents... And it may notreally be much of an extension at all, since the normal delay frompatent application to patent issuance, ie the delay in the patentoffice, is on the order of 1-3 years, AFTER which the 17 year patentterm begins. So this new way of making the patent term date from thedate of filing, vs. the patent issue date, may slice a few years off thenew 20 year term. One extreme case of patent office delay is that of thepatent for FM radio, invented by Armstrong. The patent issued 27 yearsafter Armstrong applied for it, as I recall, to his widow, after his suicide,out of despair, partly because of the delay in the patent office, whichmay have had something to do with RCA...

Nick=========================================================================Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:15:22 HKTReply-To: Sylvia Wong Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Sylvia Wong Organization: Asia On-Line Limited, Wanchai, Hong Kong.Subject: Lonely Lily

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Sylvia Wong=========================================================================Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:24:05 -0400Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blaine DAmico Subject: Re: HALL OF FAMEIn-Reply-To:

update on CD-ROM

Due to technical difficulties beyond my control the pressing of the "oneoff" alpha CD has been delayed by 2-3 weeks. Life continues at anamazing pace. Best of fortune to all of you.=========================================================================Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:46:34 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: STRESS ANALYSIS

WHY DOMES ARE SO STRONG: ELASTICITY MULTIPLICATION

by Joe S. Moore

Stress analysis of tensegrity geodesic domes must take into account the factthat a significant change in the size of a dome (expansion or contraction)will only have a small effect on the length of the tendons (tension lines).For example, a 10% decrease in the diameter will only stretch the tendons.2%. Tensegrities multiply the elasticity of tendon materials. That'sbecause in the equation for tendon length one quantity is varying as thesecond power of the other (a parabola). ___________ t = /(s^2-s+1)/2 t = tendon factor \/ s = separation factor

See: 'Geodesic Math & How to Use It', pages 16-19

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:50:32 -0300Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Brown Organization: Software Kinetics Ltd.Subject: ANNOUNCE: Ocean Information Technology Showcase WebSitteX-To: GEOGRAPH@SEARN.SUNET.SE, UIGIS-L@UBVM.CC.BUFF

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What: Twenty Canadian companies specializing in ocean information technology will present a showcase for Summit media and delegates of our ocean mapping and space technology expertise, as part of the G7 Summit.

Where: The presentations will take place on board two Department of Fisheries and Oceansvessels, the CSS CREED and CSS MATTHEW, Purdy's Wharf, Halifax. The MATTHEW will remain alongside the wharf; the CREED will leave the wharf at scheduled times for practical demonstrations of real time navigation, data collection and processing technologies.

When: June 15 to 17 for Summit media and delegates; an open house for the public will be held June18.

Why: To demonstrate Canada's technical expertise in the design and use of space surveillance, instrumentation, ocean mapping and information technology for the management of our ocean and costal zones.

For more information contact: jbrown@atl.sofkin.ca=========================================================================Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:30:37 -0700Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Walt Lockley 02-Jun-1995 1125 Subject: Stress!

Joe, everybody,

Since our postings a few days ago on selecting the bestapproach for stress calculations on geodesic structures, I've beengoing through Kenner's books and the patents collected inInventions fairly closely. Bucky himself must have consideredthese questions as well, which does not bode well for finding aready answer. I hope these thoughts are of some use.

If we define geodesic domes as omnitrianguled space frameswhich exhibit a characteristic three-way tension grid, thengeodesic domes evidently defeat traditional post-and-beammethods of calculating stresses -- like bumblebees which fly whenthey theoretically shouldn't be able to, geodesic domes bear loadsand withstand pressures they theoretically can't handle. I sayevidently because I can't site a specific proof offhand. (Doesanybody know of one?)

Despite this apparent large, gaping hole in their logic,traditional engineering seems uninterested in the problem. Buckycalled that reprehensible.

The elasticity multiplication effect that Kenner describes inGeodesic Math, and that you just posted on, may only apply totensegrity structures which contract evenly under stress. We'reback to the question of whether all geodesic domes are tensegritiesby definition, and, again, I really believe it has to do with how youdefine your terms.

A tensegrity structure is described by Kenner in the back of'Guided Tour' as a continuous tension network with compressionalstiffeners, independent of outside anchorage, stable in anyposition. In that book Kenner also describes the counterintuitiveproperties of the Tensegrity -- it looks insubstantial but itpractically indestructible. Tensegrities not only react as wholesystem to local stresses, but amazingly they react by contractingevenly.

Geodesic structures, in the wide variety of shapes and sizesthey're built in, are plainly not identical to pure tensegrities. Mostgeodesic structures are anchored to a foundation; some are double-layered; some are struct networks covered by a separate sheath andothers have stressed skins. Safe to say that not all of them wouldbe stable in any position. Most would not contract evenly underlocal stress. Pure Tensegrities are complete integral systems in theform of spheres or tetrahedrons, and geodesic structures arecommonly truncated to make them practical.

When Fuller writes that all geodesic domes are tensegrities, hemight have more accurately said that to some unknown degree allgeodesic domes rely on a tensegrity-like triangulated tension gridfor their strength and stability.

In the course of discussing something else, I asked Bill Perklast week -- he said pure tensegrities and geodesic domes such asBucky's old residence in Carbondale exist on a sort of continuum.On the pure end of the continuum, compressive components arevery widely separated and neutralized, if you will, by the numberand force of the tension components. To use Bucky's words, theyexist in a sea of tension. On the impure end of the continuum thecompressive components are not-so-separated, not-so-neutralized,and exert more significant force.

It's also interesting to note that Fuller's 1954 Geodesic Domepatent contains no discussion of tension vs. compression.Language in the patent summary seems to imply that it is thedome's ability to evenly distribute compressive loads that is uniqueand new, a more modest and (from a traditional engineeringstandpoint) more plausible claim, as opposed to a dome's ability toreduce compressive forces relative to tensile forces.

All of this is just talk, of course. It still puzzles me that no onehas gone about proving or disproving these theoriesexperimentally. Again, I welcome any corrections oramplifications -- I don't mean to present myself as anything butjust another poor schmoe trying to sort all of this out.

Waltklockley@delphi.com=========================================================================Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:45:31 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY VIDEOTAPES (REV)X-cc: Mission Earth

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Net News Filter writes:> From marlin.stanford.edu!db.stanford.edu!netnews Wed May 31 20:18:40 1995> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 20:25:57 -0700> From: Net News Filter > Message-Id: > Subject: geodesic buckminster> Apparently-To: >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=> Subscription 1: geodesic buckminster>> Article: rec.games.design.7071> Message-ID: > From: Carl Burke > Subject: Re: Random World Genration> Score: 100> First 20 lines:> mcvos@cs.vu.nl (Vos MC) wrote:> > Carl Burke (cburke@mitre.org) wrote:> > : mcvos@cs.vu.nl (MCV Fenderson) wrote:> > : > If you're using hexes, you could make the map so that you could> > : > fold it into a 20-sided platonic shape (the 'd20'). That way> > : > there would be only one (5 sided) northpole hex, 5 hexes on the grid> > : > below it, 10 below that, 15 below that, etc. After a while, the number> > : > of hexes around the world stays constant, around the equator, and> > : > 30 degrees north and south of it, and then the rings of hexes become> > : > smaller again.> > : >> > : > Folded out on a flat surface, you'd have a rather ugly map, though.> > : > Still, it's one of the most realistic methods, that's still not too> > : > difficult to use.> >> > : This is basically the Buckminster Fuller projection; it's more accurate> > : than most other projections, but of course might be ugly when> > : flattened.> >> > Buckminster Fuller projection has to do with an icosahedron? Are you>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=> For help information, send email NetNews Filtering Server> with word 'help' in message body netnews@db.stanford.edu> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=> .->

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:19:21 -0600Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Evan Ravitz Subject: Re: RBF RE VOTINGIn-Reply-To:

This article I wrote for my local newspaper column will shed some light onthe problem Martin Olah and David Watkins see with direct democracy:tyranny of the majority, as well as provide a reason for direct democracy...

AS THE MILLENNIUM TURNS by Evan Ravitz(Still 5 years ahead of its time.)

HEALING THE SICK ENVIRONMENTALMOVEMENT

First the good news: environmental education, one of the key valuesand strategies of the environmental movement, is a huge success. Moreevidence of this is an April 19th poll by the American EnterpriseInstitute showing that more than twice as many Americans -53%- saywe should sacrifice economic growth for the environment than thereverse -23%. (I think this a false choice, but that's another story.) And79% consider themselves environmentalists.

Yet, Robert Kennedy Jr., standing in front of the Capitol, where hisuncles passed environmental legislation, said this Earth Day: "Today Ican tell you what the largest threat to our environment is, and it's rightbehind me -the U.S. Congress. They're literally dismantling 25 years ofenvironmental progress." Representative democracy has become anoxymoron.

David Brower, Executive Director of The Sierra Club in its heyday andfounder of Friends of the Earth and Earth Island Institute, gave hisdiagnosis of the sick environmental movement: "Turf-tending, ego,smugness, procedural barricades to progress, a new love of access (tothe corridors of power) and a new fear of boldness...It afflicts the entiremovement."

Doesn't this sound like a description of politics and government? It is:with a few exceptions, like the confrontational Greenpeace, theenvironmental movement is playing the political game designed by theiropponents: the giant corporations and their representatives, lobbyists andbureaucrats.

It's a losing game: more and more of environmentalists' money isgoing to lawyers, lobbyists and endless paper. Do you pay taxes? Thosetaxes are used by your government to defeat the environmental -andpeace and justice- movements. And you probably contribute more totaxes than to environmental organizations. So your net economic effecton the environment and the future is negative. CU math prof andAncient Forest Rescue leader Marty Walter says he's done thecalculation.

You could join the tax resistance movement. Or you could be puttingsome of your money and time into our prescription: giving morelegislative power to citizens. The polls show the environment will comeout ahead.

Here is our proposal, homegrown in Boulder and gaining prominencein democratic circles on the Internet. It is the only concrete plan basedon existing initiative laws in effect in 23 states and DC (includingColorado), using simple technology proven with National ScienceFoundation grant GI-37183 in 1974. It can work locally, by state, andnationally. We should pass initiatives that:

1) Give citizens the option of voting by telephone.* People will soonprefer it as the see that it is more secure, far less expensive. moreenvironmental and far easier than existing systems. It is more securebecause most votes are now counted by computer, but the countingprograms are proprietary and secret from everyone including electionofficials. Ours will be public. Additionally, after voting, the computerwill tell you, for instance, that you were the 5000th to vote, and thatyou can confirm your vote on line 5000 in the morning paper. Nopresent voting system gives you this bottom-line assurance of accuracy.

2) Seriously reduce the signatures required to get initiatives on theballot. Once elections are 10-20 times more affordable, as the NSF-funded trials for the San Jose Unified School District showed, we canstart encouraging more citizen-initiated legislation. Initiatives are nowso hard to do that only large organizations that can pay petitioners geton the ballot.

3) Allow voting quarterly, as the Swiss do, or monthly, toaccommodate the backlog of ideas that never before could make it tothe ballot or thru legislative bodies.

May the best ideas win! Citizens will make mistakes, but the mistakeswill be our responsibility, and we'll revisit decisions until we get themright. When politicians make mistakes, they cover up, and throw goodmoney after bad.

For folks afraid that the majority will trample the rights of minorities,let's examine Colorado Amendment Two, narrowly passed by initiativein 1992. Two says that gay-rights laws are forbidden. But all theColorado courts ruled that Two violates the US Constitution's 14thAmendment, and so it's never gone into effect -it's now before the USSupremes. Two violates the 14th's "equal protection" clause, which sayseveryone may lobby for their needs and wants. Citizen democracy doesnot mean repealing the Constitution!

How will our proposal affect mistakes like Two? First, more peoplewill vote, because of the convenience, and because we'll have morechoices: voting will count for more. Second, when a mistake is made,opponents (gay people and friends in this case) will easily put reversinglegislation on the ballot the next time. The gays talked about it butrealized they realistically couldn't both get it on the ballot, and stillhave the money and energy to run a good campaign. Thirdly, part of thereason it passed was the confusing wording: voting yes meant no gay-rights laws. An initiative should be passed prohibiting this kind ofconfusion.

The environment is starting to die the death of 1000 cuts (see theWarning to Humanity issued last year by 104 Nobel and 1576 otherlaureates), while the environmental movement is racing to stay in oneplace, applying bandaids. In the money battle for media andrepresentatives, between polluting corporations and environmentalists,who is winning? It is time to change the game. The educational battleis largely won. Now we must give more power to the people.

*We were the first in the world to do this, putting it on the November'93 Boulder city ballot. Underfunded amateurs, we were defeated (59%-41%) by a hostile City Council and Daily Camera. We were supportedby the Colorado Daily, The Sierra Club Indian Peaks Group, ColoradoCommon Cause, COPIRG and the Center for People with Disabilities.Help us make this available to the world via the Internet, and to tryagain locally! We'll be on the World Wide Web in a few weeks- emailme to be notified.

Evan Ravitz was voted "Best Activist" by Daily Camera readers in 1992for his work on Voting by Phone and the 13th St. bike path. You canreach him at (303)440-6838 or evan@welcomehome.org Checks canbe made to "Voting by Phone" and sent to 1130 11th St. #3, BoulderCO 80302.

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@Copyright (c) 1995 Evan Ravitz. All rights reserved. Excerpting is fine,but give credit: include the last paragraph!

Web pages will be ready in a few weeks!=========================================================================Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:31:24 -0400Reply-To: AMKALENAK Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: AMKALENAK Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)Subject: Re: Stress!

Walt, Joe, all;

It seems to me that a little old fashioned staticscould be applied to a dome vertexgiving an idea of what's going onand why geodesic domes behave as they do.

thought experiment:A load is applied to a dome vertex from the outside inwardly.This load is resisted by the 5 or 6 members converging at this vertex.These members are in compression.Each member shares this load, so that the load per member is roughly1/5 or 1/6 the original load at the vertex.In turn, the compressive forceis tranfered thru these strutsto adjacent vertices where the load is sharedby an increasing number of members..The original load is thereby distributed throughout the structurein ever decreasing loadings,with long bands of tension and short "columns" of compression.

-end of thought

tony=========================================================================Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:56:06 -0400Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova UniversitySubject: Saunders patents

Issued patents of Norman Saunders (copies of which are available for $3 eachfrom The Commissioner of Patents and Trademarks/Washington, DC 20231,or $2 each from Norman Saunders, P.E./15 Ellis Road/Weston MA 02193.

3,952,947 4/27/76 Solar heating system employing controlled introduction of outdoor air via a special window (window, triple glazed, with air flow in or out.)

4,018,214 ? Water store behind double glass.

4,018,947 4/19/77 Heating and ventilation system (a division of 3,952,947 above.)

4,078,603 3/14/78 Skylight-type collector with storage and distribution systems (transparent ceiling collector/radiator.)

4,123,002 10/31/78 System for controlling air temperature, humidity and ventilation with use of ground coupling (earth- tempered air in and heat recovery on exhaust.)

4,129,120 12/12/78 Heating and ventilation system (a CIP of 3,952,947, more fully describing a solar steam generator with very low thermal loss.)

4,157,639 6/12/79 Seals for vertical and sloping windows or glazing (very inexpensive permanent glazing system.)

4,201,189 5/6/80 South window solar-radiation absorbing element (selective absorber, window, thermosyphon collector, as in Shrewsbury House and All-Solar-Too House.)

4,296,733 10/27/81 Transparent roof employing reflective louvers that admit much solar radiation in winter and admit little solar radiation in summer (Solar Staircase (TM) and all its variants.)

4,305,379 12/15/81 Solar energy fluid heating system (simple pressurized drain-back solar DHW system.)

4,398,530 8/16/83 Solar collector and heating and cooling system (a continuation of 4,078,603, describing monitor lighting and heating for shops and markets.)

4,452,205 11/12/85 Dual storage heating and cooling system (one way to build a house with a warm store in the attic and a cool store in the basement. My copy has this note at the bottom, "License fee is ten cents per square foot of floor area of building. Payment permits use of this and all other Suanders solar patents. Subject to change without notice.")

Note: US patents are normally valid for 17 years from date of issue.

Nick=========================================================================Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 18:47:22 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: SELF-CONTAINED PORTABLES

Does anyone know of any DETAILED plans for portable, self-contained, geodesicdome homes? I mean wiring diagrams, plumbing layouts, heating diagrams, etc?I've seen a few sketches, but no details! I'm looking for real nitty gritty.I do have some material intended for conventional houses, but nothing forPORTABLE homes. And SELF-CONTAINED plans seem to be even harder to find.

On another note, does anyone know of any PORTABLE dome shells being built outof materials that will not ROT, BURN, or serve as FOOD for bugs? Say, metal(aluminum, steel, etc.) or man-made materials (fiberglass, composites, etc.)?

Surely somebody somewhere must be working on these things! (I hope.)

Joe

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:17:56 -0400Reply-To: AMKALENAK Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: AMKALENAK Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)Subject: Re: SELF-CONTAINED PORTABLES

Joe,I have been working on tubular frame domeswith tensed fabric panels.(much like a weatherbreak)These domes are modular/expandablein that the parts from one size dome can be added to or subtracted fromin order to make a larger or smaller dome.The structure bolts togatherand the fabric panels are tensed over this frame work.I have built 16', 24' and 32' dia. domes(by adding to my strut inventory).Currently, I am working on refining the panel system.I must say that it works well in that it has withstood 40-70 mphwind gusts without coming apart,and has shown itself waterproof.The refinements are primarily to further seal the panel overlapswhich cause problems in high winds and pass-thru of tensile elements.It is a work in progress.

The structures are very strong and simple to construct.I (220 lbs) climb them and there is no apparrent deflectionat the vertices.

The next size in this series is a 40' dia. which I will make by addingmore struts to my already existing inventory.

Anyway, this is where I'm at.

How big and portable of a house are you looking for ?

tony=========================================================================Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 21:50:37 ESTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: lparke3@VMS1.GMU.EDUOrganization: George Mason UniversitySubject: GETTING MARRIED? MUST READ (ADVERTISEMENT)

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Who among the readers of this newsgroup have had personal contact or haveseen RBF in person. I would like to hear your personal take on the man.

I saw him at Texas A&M Univ. He was a guest speaker in a guest speakersseries. I remember the way he energised the hall. The thing I that standsout most clearly in my mind, when recalling the occasion, was hisexhorting the audience to not to idolize him but to focus the principlesof which he talked (eg ephemerization, synergy, etal)

I've read articles describing him as an ego driven, self promoter.However, this was not how he came across at that lecture, as he "thoughtout loud" nor though his books which I later read.

Of course, people change though their lives; probably he did too.=========================================================================Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 08:40:19 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: SELF-CONTAINED

Does anyone know of any articles in either yachting or motorhomeing magazinesdescribing all the latest tech features (energy systems, sewage handling,water supply systems, communication systems, etc). It seems that these twoindustries (yachts and motorhomes) are producing the closest thing yet toBucky's idea of a portable, self-contained home. Joe

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:18:59 PDTReply-To: joemoore@cruzio.comSender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: VIRTUAL INSTITUTE (REV)X-cc: Synergetics List

THE BUCKY FULLER VIRTUAL INSTITUTE

by Joe S. Moore Updated June 5, 1995

(Please Send Any Additions, Deletions or Corrections to me. Thanks.)

A. WORLD WIDE WEB (WWW) SITES Critical Path http://www.critpath.org/? DeJong, Gerald http://www.xs4all/~gdj/ Fearnley's FAQ http://www.netaxs.com/people/cjf/fuller-faq.html GENI http://www.geni.org/ Rywalt, C http://vaxa.stevens-tech.edu:8000/crywalt/inventions/Bucky.html New Civ Network http://www.newciv.org/Bucky/BuckyPic.html New Civ Network http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/ Siqueira, Rod http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/ Synergetics http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/synhome.html Synergetics Inst http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/index.html World Game Inst http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/WGI.html

B. NEWSGROUPS Gatewayed from Geodesic List bit.listserv.geodesic

C. INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC) Discussion of Fuller's Ideas (weekends) /join #geodesic

D. SUBSCRIPTION LISTS (l = lowercase "L", not 1) Geodesic (RBF's Works Discussion) listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Synergetics-l (Synergetics Discussion) majordomo@teleport.com Wholeinfo-l (Summary of Wholesys-l) listserv@netcom.com Wholesys-l (Abundance Economics ) listserv@netcom.com

E. AUTOMATED E-MAIL UPDATE SERVICES BuckminsterFullerene Updates (Body: "help") bucky@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu NetNews Filtering Server (Body: "help") netnews@db.stanford.edu

F. FILE TRANSFER PROTOCOL (FTP) DOWNLOAD & UPLOAD SITES Critical Path Project (UL) cpp.critpath.org/incoming/

Kaplowitz, Dave (DL) switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/ Kaplowitz, Dave (UL) switchboard.ftp.com/incoming/

New Civilization Network (DL) ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/ New Civilization Network (DL) ftp.newciv.org/pub/Synergetic_Geometry/ New Civilization Network (UL) ftp.newciv.org/incoming/

Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/bin/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/docs/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/images/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/movies/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (UL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/in.coming/

G. SEARCHES ENGINES (KEYWORDS: "GEODESIC", "BUCKMINSTER", ETC) Archie Gopher Kaplowitz, Dave Switchboard.ftp.com Port 70 Veronica Wide Area Information Service (WAIS)

H. SEARCHABLE ELECTRONIC ARCHIVES Geodesic listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

I. ASSOCIATED ORGANIZATIONS Buckminster Fuller Institute (BFI) bfi@aol.com Critical Path Project (CPP) kiyoshi@critpath.org Global Energy Network International (GENI) geni@cerf.net World Game Institute (WGI) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu

J. OTHER ELECTRONIC ADDRESSES Multiple User Dimensions (MUDS)

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 21:21:07 -0400Reply-To: Gordon L Smith Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gordon L Smith Subject: Re: GETTING MARRIED? MUST READ (ADVERTISEMENT)

DEAR PEOPLE, PLEASE DO NOT SEND ANY MORE ADVERTISEMENTS. THANK YOU GOSMITHGONE.=========================================================================Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 22:09:24 -0400Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Stuart Quimby Subject: Re: Synergetics: VIRTUAL INSTITUTE (REV)X-To: synergetics-l@teleport.comX-cc: Synergetics List

At 11:18 AM 6/5/95 PDT, synergetics-l@teleport.com wrote:>> THE BUCKY FULLER VIRTUAL INSTITUTE>> by Joe S. Moore Updated June 5, 1995>Joe (and everyone else),I'm hoping to list your recently posted resource in the bibliography of abook I'm writing that accompanies our new 3f icosa NASA satellite imageglobe of the Earth. I assume this is OK with you (with proper credit givenof course) since you listed it in the public domain. Do you have any otherresources that might be included? Much of this globe was inspired by Buck'sdymaxion map so I'm listing several Bucky resources as well as NOAA, USGS,and many good cartography and geography locations. I'm looking for the moremap oriented stuff as well as some general reference. Anybody else outthere with some good ideas about inclusions? TIA----------------------------------------Stuart QuimbyDesign Science Toysstuq@mhv.net76350,526@compuserve.comphone 914-756-4221fax 914-756-4223----------------------------------------=========================================================================Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:45:08 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: 6octa_1octa (fwd)

tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl writes:> From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Tue Jun 6 01:39:11 1995> From: tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl> X-Nupop-Charset: English> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 10:45:17 CST> Message-Id: > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com> Subject: Re: Synergetics: 6octa_1octa> Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com> Precedence: list> Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com>> In Message Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:03:43 +0000,> dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au (John Mac Cosham) writes:>> >> >>that is right they are art forms, i just gave a form made of few tetra> >> hedrons to a woman which work in social care( buricratic office)> >>instead of taking the form home she put it on the desk. many clients> >> >Hi tagdi:> > What did you make your tetra forms out of?>>> Kabbab stiks(15 cm~ ) and coloured small squizable kandy, i do not> know if they are available in the U.S . this make the shapes> larger, and colour of the kandy make the shapes look nice.> i would like to add that there are a way to make the shapes> intreguing to children, it makes them think, i am surprised> that not many people payed attention to children education> remmber what you tell children about reality in the first 8> years is what they believe (Fuller).> i think Fuller made a mistake by not paying attention about the best> approach to comprhensive education. he left a lot of> people muddling through.> .->

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:45:58 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Synergetics: Education (fwd)

tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl writes:> From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Tue Jun 6 01:52:34 1995> From: tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl> X-Nupop-Charset: English> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 10:58:20 CST> Message-Id: > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com> Subject: Synergetics: Education> Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com> Precedence: list> Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com>> first year in comprehensive education>> Amy Edmonson book> Critical Path> Cosmography first quarter> theory of picturs(image and text)>> What is the Universe> What is humanity second quarter>> scientific laws third quarter>> logestic + history of artetecture> history of navial power structure> history of technology> fourth quarter> energy , engens, alloys,elments, design> fifth quarter>> conjunctions.> .->

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:44:31 -0400Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova UniversitySubject: Re: Personal Contact

AMKALENAK wrote:

>Who among the readers of this newsgroup have had personal contact or have>seen RBF in person. I would like to hear your personal take on the man.

I heard him speak a couple of times, late in his life, at Drexel U andCarnegie Hall.

>I remember the way he energised the hall.

Me too.

>The thing I that stands out most clearly in my mind, when recalling the>occasion, was his exhorting the audience to not to idolize him but to focus>the principles of which he talked (eg ephemerization, synergy, etal)

I don't recall his mentioning that, altho that was how he talked and acted.He did ask people not to call him on the telephone in the middle of the night,with questions, comments, revelations, etc. He said that when he told suchcallers that it was the middle of the night, they often replied "But I'mcalling LONG DISTANCE," as if that were a good excuse... :-)

>I've read articles describing him as an ego driven, self promoter.>However, this was not how he came across at that lecture,

Nor at the lectures I attended.

>Of course, people change though their lives; probably he did too.

My impression was that he steered a fairly straight course.

Nick=========================================================================Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:37:37 -0400Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova UniversitySubject: Re: SELF-CONTAINED PORTABLES

Joe Moore wrote:

>Does anyone know of any DETAILED plans for portable, self-contained, geodesic>dome homes?... I'm looking for real nitty gritty... And SELF-CONTAINED plans>seem to be even harder to find.

T'would be nice if the "self-contained" details included space and waterheating and air-conditioning, with some windows for passive solar heat,and a high-thermal mass warmstore above, with a DHW heat exchanger anda ceiling fan that is activated by a thermostat to bring down heat in theWinter, and an earth-coupled coolstore below, combined with a cistern,to provide Summer cooling and rainwater storage from the roof, as wellas condensation storage from the warmstore/sewage-treatment ceiling pond.And a vertical-axis windmill for electricity, located at the apex of the dome.

Over 80% of the undeveloped land in Pennsylvania is unsuitable for aconventional septic system, and water and electric supplies tend to beexpensive, here in the boonies. Telephones may be less of a problem, giventhe genuine telephone interfaces with radio links made for rural use byInterDigital Communications, among others.

>On another note, does anyone know of any PORTABLE dome shells being built out>of materials that will not ROT, BURN, or serve as FOOD for bugs? Say, metal>(aluminum, steel, etc.) or man-made materials (fiberglass, composites, etc.)?

Well, Monolithic makes a "portable" reinforced concrete dome, with no foam,that is about 16' in diameter and weighs about 12,000 pounds...The army defines "portable" as "having handles for lifting" :-)

>Surely somebody somewhere must be working on these things! (I hope.)

I posted a couple of articles about some Monolithic mods along these lines.Who will be the first to work out more of the details and try this?

Nick=========================================================================Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:46:19 -0500Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Seth Itzkan Subject: Re: Personal ContactX-To: AMKALENAK

I remember the time Bucky drew a detailed drawing in my personal journal.

It was in Harvard Sq., Cambridge, shortly before his death .

He was signing books (The Critical Path) in the Sphinx book store. Thiswas an occult/new age shop, so it was a small intimate crowd. He wassurrounded by books on meditation the the like. He gave a long talk aboutinventors (I think).

I didn't have a copy of Critical Path yet and so asked him to sign myjournal. Instead of just putting in a little message, he took out severalcolored pens and drew a detailed drawing with labels, the word "Tensegrity"and few other things. He spent about 15 minutes on it, moving very slowly,and apparently without worry about the line of people who were stillwaiting for autographs.

Needless to say, I was quite pleased. This is still one of my prizedpossessions. ;-)

Seth J. ItzkanBBN Educational Technologies150 Cambridge Park DriveCambridge, MA 02140sitzkan@bbn.com617-873-3163=========================================================================Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:24:15 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BF VIRTUAL INSTX-To: stuq@mhv.net

Stuart,

I only see one problem: the BF Virtual Inst list is changing almost every dayas more info is brought to my attention! Whatever you freeze on paper will beout of date almost immediately. It's PD so that's no problem. I'll repostthe poopsheet on Bucky's map. Joe

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:31:42 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY MAP

Low Distortion Mapping

by Joe S. Moore

R. Buckminster Fuller found a way to translate information from curved

to flat surfaces and vice versa in such a way that there was minimal

distortion of the data.

His technique works for polygons whose edges are equal, such as a tetra-

hedron, octahedron, cube, icosahedron, vector equilibrium, dodecahedron, etc.

He preferred the icosahedron because it has the greatest number of

equalateral triangles.

It makes no difference whether the data is on the outside or inside

surface.

For further information see:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------"U. S. Industrialization", Fortune Magazine

by R. Buckminster Fuller Feb 1, 1940

pages 50-57.----------------------------------------------------------------------------"Fluid Geography", The American Neptune Magazine

by R. Buckminster Fuller Apr 1, 1944

pages 119-36.----------------------------------------------------------------------------"Dymaxion Map"

by R. Buckminster Fuller Jan 29, 1946

U. S. patent # 2,393,676----------------------------------------------------------------------------'The Dymaxion World of R. Buckminster Fuller' 1973

by Robert Marks & R. Buckminster Fuller

pages 50-1, 150-9.----------------------------------------------------------------------------'Inventions' 1983

by R. Buckminster Fuller

pages 85-94.----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Capitola, California, USA October 23, 1994

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:45:49 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Personal ContactIn-Reply-To: ; from "Seth Itzkan" at Jun 6, 95 3:46 pm

Seth Itzkan writes:>> I remember the time Bucky drew a detailed drawing in my personal journal.>> It was in Harvard Sq., Cambridge, shortly before his death .>> He was signing books (The Critical Path) in the Sphinx book store. This> was an occult/new age shop, so it was a small intimate crowd. He was> surrounded by books on meditation the the like. He gave a long talk about> inventors (I think).>> I didn't have a copy of Critical Path yet and so asked him to sign my> journal. Instead of just putting in a little message, he took out several> colored pens and drew a detailed drawing with labels, the word "Tensegrity"> and few other things. He spent about 15 minutes on it, moving very slowly,> and apparently without worry about the line of people who were still> waiting for autographs.>> Needless to say, I was quite pleased. This is still one of my prized> possessions. ;-)>> Seth J. Itzkan> BBN Educational Technologies> 150 Cambridge Park Drive> Cambridge, MA 02140> sitzkan@bbn.com> 617-873-3163> .->Seth,

How about scanning Bucky's drawing into a computer and then posting it to aFTP site? Joe

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 00:47:38 EDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Re: SELF-CONTAINED PORTABLESIn-Reply-To: ; from "Joe Moore" at Jun 3, 95 6:47 pm

Joe Moore writes:> On another note, does anyone know of any PORTABLE dome shells being built out> of materials that will not ROT, BURN, or serve as FOOD for bugs? Say, metal> (aluminum, steel, etc.) or man-made materials (fiberglass, composites, etc.)?

I know of a material that I think would be ideal for such an application.Isochanvre: Petrified woody hurds (normally a waste product) of thehemp plant. It works just like concrete, yet is easily sanded and canbe easily ripped out in case of error (before it petrifies!). It isrot, burn, bug, rodent, bacteria, and fungus proof.It retains more heat than concrete and it breathes.It is non-toxic in its creation or disposal.Isochanvre is being used to build houses (not portable) in France,Switzerland and Canada.

Made in France fax:0033.43.97.65.44.See Hemp World Jan/Feb 1995 707-887-7639.

"Hemp for Victory!"-US government during World War II.

> Joe>>> -->> JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743> 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733> CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.>=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 10:36:07 CSTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Personal Contact

In Message Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:44:31 -0400, Nick Pine writes:

>AMKALENAK wrote:>>>Who among the readers of this newsgroup have had personal contact or have>>seen RBF in person. I would like to hear your personal take on the man.>>I heard him speak a couple of times, late in his life, at Drexel U and>Carnegie Hall.>>>I remember the way he energised the hall.>>Me too.>>>The thing I that stands out most clearly in my mind, when recalling the>>occasion, was his exhorting the audience to not to idolize him but to focus>>the principles of which he talked (eg ephemerization, synergy, etal)>>I don't recall his mentioning that, altho that was how he talked and acted.>He did ask people not to call him on the telephone in the middle of the night,>with questions, comments, revelations, etc. He said that when he told such>callers that it was the middle of the night, they often replied "But I'm>calling LONG DISTANCE," as if that were a good excuse... :-)>>>I've read articles describing him as an ego driven, self promoter.>>However, this was not how he came across at that lecture,>>Nor at the lectures I attended.>>>Of course, people change though their lives; probably he did too.>>My impression was that he steered a fairly straight course.>>Nick

If i had chance then, i would have taken different road ......... I saw him in seattle for about five minutes, after a lecture, i was in one of my confusing and frightend times. so in one word i was mixed up , just as now, i asked him how to get rid of fear. he put his hand around his ear and listen carfully to my question. then he said that i must answer my own questions by myself, that i need expermental evidence, and he sum it by saying that i have beautful eyes. that was then, that coment stayed with me. i knew what he meant by it . though i still find it diffecult to ask and answer my own question.=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 09:14:42 -0500Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Seth Itzkan Subject: Re: Personal Contact

JOE,

What a novel idea. Which format do you prefer: pict., .gif, ESP?

What FTP site?

>>How about scanning Bucky's drawing into a computer and then posting it to a>FTP site? Joe>>>-->>JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743>850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733>CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.

Seth J. ItzkanBBN Educational Technologies150 Cambridge Park DriveCambridge, MA 02140sitzkan@bbn.com617-873-3163=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 09:14:47 -0500Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Seth Itzkan Subject: Re: Personal Contact

What a beautiful recounting.

>> If i had chance then, i would have taken different road .........> I saw him in seattle for about five minutes, after a lecture,> i was in one> of my confusing and frightend times. so in one word i was> mixed up , just as now, i asked him how to get rid of> fear. he put his hand around his ear and listen carfully> to my question. then he said that i must answer my own questions> by myself, that i need expermental evidence, and he sum it> by saying that i have beautful eyes. that was then, that coment> stayed with me. i knew what he meant by it . though i still> find it diffecult to ask and answer my own question.

Seth J. ItzkanBBN Educational Technologies150 Cambridge Park DriveCambridge, MA 02140sitzkan@bbn.com617-873-3163=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 09:15:05 -0500Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Seth Itzkan Subject: Re: Synergetics: Education (fwd)

Is this a course that is offered somewhere?

>tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl writes:>> From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Tue Jun 6>>01:52:34> 1995>> From: tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl>> X-Nupop-Charset: English>> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 10:58:20 CST>> Message-Id: >> To: synergetics-l@teleport.com>> Subject: Synergetics: Education>> Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com>> Precedence: list>> Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com>>>> first year in comprehensive education>>>> Amy Edmonson book>> Critical Path>> Cosmography first quarter>> theory of picturs(image and text)>>>> What is the Universe>> What is humanity second quarter>>>> scientific laws third quarter>>>> logestic + history of artetecture>> history of navial power structure>> history of technology>> fourth quarter>> energy , engens, alloys,elments, design>> fifth quarter>>>> conjunctions.>> .->>>>>-->>JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743>850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733>CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.

Seth J. ItzkanBBN Educational Technologies150 Cambridge Park DriveCambridge, MA 02140sitzkan@bbn.com617-873-3163=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 15:12:06 CSTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: words

>>> a map is a picture> with a text ,> the text give refrence> to political structure...> fear and obediance asissted> by the teacher face and his gesture..> clean atmosphere> question answer ritual> punctuated by silent morning> and sunshine view,> the sun projected on the limited> medieval map> confirmed by the church,> nonsimultaneous coordination> politically pushed> toward east west north south> some had humer when> they spoke about your duties and> your rights> we made fun of those evil> geographers> they did not know> that tetra is an empty structure> with 4 direction,> they did not know> that there only in and out> direction, i am always after opening the channel between the cellular brain there is a sort of creative trace in children drawing, litrture of high brow give a temporary estatic view no more no less our celebrated philosphers give no more than hope so i thought it will be no less vulgure to try just for the sake of trying and a thought crossed my mind about up and down and thier association with cubic heavy material store buildings i juxtpose the tertra to this picture with a text slap tetra have four direction four viewing windows opening them we get four windows of octs windows of one polar half they become more horizontal then i moved into an imaginary geodesic dome made of double pents steel frame you can see the strenght of the structure with your eye the four moved to the surface it became out and in the cellls of the brain i contrasted old and new geometrical aary of hidden dimensions needing consideration and reconsideration acce-culturation we all believe words cant do, but conceptuality is image and text in dynamic discrepancy of change dizzing sometimes that is why geography is not real.=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 09:17:36 -0400Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "David F. Watkins" Subject: Bucky Meeting

I saw/heard Bucky speak at Friends University in Wichita, Kansas. I'mnot sure but it was early 1970's. Maybe 1972. His topic was the GlobalVillage but as with normal Bucky discourse that wasn't the focus, justthe jumping off point and a thread that he wove back and forth with allhis normal themes.

As I remember it, he gave a rather long speech and when he was given astanding ovation he came out and spoke for another 20 or 30 minutes. Ihad read several of his books so was familiar with most of his topics.In a speaking environment his style of repetition with variation seemedeven more pronounced than in his books.

I remember that he spoke at some length about the limitations of thestandard educational approach to teaching geometry, i.e., planegeometry. He also related his early childhood problems with eyesight andhow that influenced his reliance on large patterns. His emphasis wasthat anyone could understand the ideas that he was working with and thatanyone was capable of developing their own similar body of knowledge.

The global village theme was easy to trace through his regular themes.The utopia or oblivion theme, a design revolution as more appropriateresponse to the world's problems than political solutions, plus a lot ofinformation about technological trends. He also tied in the globalvillage theme by relating many of his projects in all parts of the worldover many years.

As a big Bucky fan I was even more impressed after hearing him speak. Itwas also apparent that the audience was kept in tune with a lengthy andinvolved speech.

***************************************************************************** COOPERATION>COMPETITION * est.enuf.4.all **--------------------------------------------------------------------------** David F. Watkins * dwat@locke.ccil.org *****************************************************************************=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 08:49:01 -0600Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chuck Stoffregen Subject: Re: BF VIRTUAL INST

Joe

I was hoping you could send me a copy of Virtual Institute listing, Ideleted my copy prematurely.

Thanks

Chuck StoffregenComputer TeacherMadison Area Technical Collegecas1276@madison.tec.wi.usFax (608) 246-6880Synergy - Behavior of whole systems unpredicted by the behavior of theirparts taken seperately. R.B. Fuller=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 16:16:51 CSTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Synergetics: Education (fwd)

In Message Wed, 07 Jun 1995 09:15:05 -0500, Seth Itzkan writes:

>Is this a course that is offered somewhere?>>>>>>> first year in comprehensive education>>>>>> Amy Edmonson book>>> Critical Path>>> Cosmography first quarter>>> theory of picturs(image and text)>>>>>> What is the Universe>>> What is humanity second quarter>>>>>> scientific laws third quarter>>>>>> logestic + history of artetecture>>> history of navial power structure>>> history of technology>>> fourth quarter>>> energy , engens, alloys,elments, design>>> fifth quarter>>>>>> conjunctions.> i wish it was, it is just an advice=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 08:37:13 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Personal ContactIn-Reply-To: ; from "ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu!owner-geodesic" at Jun 7, 95 10:36 am

ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu!ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu!owner-geodesic writes:>> In Message Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:44:31 -0400,> Nick Pine writes:>> >AMKALENAK wrote:> >> >>Who among the readers of this newsgroup have had personal contact or have> >>seen RBF in person. I would like to hear your personal take on the man.> >> >I heard him speak a couple of times, late in his life, at Drexel U and> >Carnegie Hall.> >> >>I remember the way he energised the hall.> >> >Me too.> >> >>The thing I that stands out most clearly in my mind, when recalling the> >>occasion, was his exhorting the audience to not to idolize him but to focus> >>the principles of which he talked (eg ephemerization, synergy, etal)> >> >I don't recall his mentioning that, altho that was how he talked and acted.> >He did ask people not to call him on the telephone in the middle of the night,> >with questions, comments, revelations, etc. He said that when he told such> >callers that it was the middle of the night, they often replied "But I'm> >calling LONG DISTANCE," as if that were a good excuse... :-)> >> >>I've read articles describing him as an ego driven, self promoter.> >>However, this was not how he came across at that lecture,> >> >Nor at the lectures I attended.> >> >>Of course, people change though their lives; probably he did too.> >> >My impression was that he steered a fairly straight course.> >> >Nick>> If i had chance then, i would have taken different road .........> I saw him in seattle for about five minutes, after a lecture,> i was in one> of my confusing and frightend times. so in one word i was> mixed up , just as now, i asked him how to get rid of> fear. he put his hand around his ear and listen carfully> to my question. then he said that i must answer my own questions> by myself, that i need expermental evidence, and he sum it> by saying that i have beautful eyes. that was then, that coment> stayed with me. i knew what he meant by it . though i still> find it diffecult to ask and answer my own question.> .->You are not alone. At one time or another we have all faced the challenge ofasking our own questions and then spending maybe years trying to find answers.Doing one's own thinking is not an easy business; it's not for the faint ofheart. It takes guts and the faith that the answers are out there, somewhere(which they are!). These ARE confusing and frightening times. Anyone who isnot at least a little frightened is either stupid or dead.

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 08:46:27 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: FTPComments: To: Rick Bono In-Reply-To: ; from "Rick Bono" at Jun 7, 95 9:11 am

Rick Bono writes:>> >Rick,> >> >Do you have FTP directories that people can upload to and download from?> >If so what are the pathes? Joe> >> >> >--> >> >JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743> >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733> >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.> >> >>> Joe,>> Unfortunately no. I have to depend on the kindness of folks like> Kirby who has provided FTP space for the GNU DOME program. I do have space> available for Web pages though. Thanks again for including the Applied> Syneregtics pages in your database.>> Rick>> .->The people at New Civilization Network have offered FTP space to us Bucky fans.Check out ftp.newciv.org/incoming/ ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/ ftp.newciv.org/pub/Synergetic_Geometry/

Contact Dr. Joachim H. Steingrubner at jhs@newciv.org

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 08:52:40 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: Education (fwd)In-Reply-To: ; from "Seth Itzkan" at Jun 7, 95 9:15 am

Seth Itzkan writes:>> Is this a course that is offered somewhere?>>> >tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl writes:> >> From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Tue Jun 6> >>01:52:34> > 1995> >> From: tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl> >> X-Nupop-Charset: English> >> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 10:58:20 CST> >> Message-Id: > >> To: synergetics-l@teleport.com> >> Subject: Synergetics: Education> >> Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com> >> Precedence: list> >> Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com> >>> >> first year in comprehensive education> >>> >> Amy Edmonson book> >> Critical Path> >> Cosmography first quarter> >> theory of picturs(image and text)> >>> >> What is the Universe> >> What is humanity second quarter> >>> >> scientific laws third quarter> >>> >> logestic + history of artetecture> >> history of navial power structure> >> history of technology> >> fourth quarter> >> energy , engens, alloys,elments, design> >> fifth quarter> >>> >> conjunctions.> >> .-> >>> >> >> >--> >> >JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743> >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733> >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.>> Seth J. Itzkan> BBN Educational Technologies> 150 Cambridge Park Drive> Cambridge, MA 02140> sitzkan@bbn.com> 617-873-3163> .->I think it's his idea of what a Bucky Curriculum should include. Bucky'ssuggested curriculum is in one of his books, and there are some Bucky coursesaround the country.

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 09:06:43 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Personal ContactIn-Reply-To: ; from "Seth Itzkan" at Jun 7, 95 9:14 am

Seth Itzkan writes:>> JOE,>> What a novel idea. Which format do you prefer: pict., .gif, ESP?>> What FTP site?>>> >> >How about scanning Bucky's drawing into a computer and then posting it to a> >FTP site? Joe> >> >> >--> >> >JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743> >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733> >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.>> Seth J. Itzkan> BBN Educational Technologies> 150 Cambridge Park Drive> Cambridge, MA 02140> sitzkan@bbn.com> 617-873-3163> .->Use an IBM-PC compatible format (I'm not sure which one would be best. Maybesomeone has some suggestions.).

FTP it to the New Civ Net site ftp.newciv.org/incoming

with a note to Joachim Steingrubner (jhs@newciv.org) that you have done so anda brief description of what the file is about.

I assume Bucky drew it in color. It would be great if you could scan hisdrawing in color!

God, I can't wait to see it!

Joe

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:28:17 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BF VI (UPDATE)

THE BUCKY FULLER VIRTUAL INSTITUTE

by Joe S. Moore Updated June 7, 1995

(Please Send Any Additions, Deletions or Corrections to me. Thanks.)

A. WORLD WIDE WEB (WWW) SITES Applied Synergetics http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/index.html

Critical Path Project http://www.critpath.org/

De Jong, Gerald http://www.xs4all/~gdj/

Fearnley's Bucky FAQ http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf/fuller-faq.html

Global Energy Network International http://www.geni.org/

New Civilization Network http://www.newciv.org/Bucky/BuckyPics.html New Civilization Network http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/

Rywalt, C http://vaxa.stevens-tech.edu:8000/crywalt/inventions/Bucky.html

Siqueira, Rod http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/

Synergetics-on-the-Web http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/synhome.html Synergetics-on-the-Web http://www teleport.com/~pdx4d/ftp/artindex.html

Synergetics Institute http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/index.html

World Game Institute http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/WGI.html

B. NEWSGROUPS Gatewayed from Geodesic List bit.listserv.geodesic

C. INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC) Discussion of Fuller's Ideas (weekends) /join #geodesic

D. SUBSCRIPTION LISTS (l = lowercase "L", not 1) Geodesic (RBF's Works Discussion) listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Synergetics-l (Synergetics Discussion) majordomo@teleport.com Wholeinfo-l (Summary of Wholesys-l) listserv@netcom.com Wholesys-l (Abundance Economics ) listserv@netcom.com

E. AUTOMATED E-MAIL UPDATE SERVICES BuckminsterFullerene Updates (Body: "help") bucky@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu NetNews Filtering Server (Body: "help") netnews@db.stanford.edu

F. FILE TRANSFER PROTOCOL (FTP) DOWNLOAD & UPLOAD SITES Critical Path Project (UL) cpp.critpath.org/incoming/

Kaplowitz, Dave (DL) switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/ Kaplowitz, Dave (UL) switchboard.ftp.com/incoming/

New Civilization Network (DL) ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/ New Civilization Network (DL) ftp.newciv.org/pub/Synergetic_Geometry/ New Civilization Network (UL) ftp.newciv.org/incoming/

Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/bin/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/docs/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/images/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/movies/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (UL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/in.coming/

G. SEARCHES ENGINES (KEYWORDS: "GEODESIC", "BUCKMINSTER", ETC) Archie Gopher Kaplowitz, Dave Switchboard.ftp.com Port 70 Veronica Wide Area Information Service (WAIS)

H. SEARCHABLE ELECTRONIC ARCHIVES Geodesic listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

I. ASSOCIATED ORGANIZATIONS Buckminster Fuller Institute (BFI) bfi@aol.com Critical Path Project (CPP) kiyoshi@critpath.org Global Energy Network International (GENI) geni@cerf.net New Civilizaion Network (NCN) jhs@newciv.org World Game Institute (WGI) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu

J. OTHER ELECTRONIC ADDRESSES Multiple User Dimensions (MUDS) ?

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 15:39:02 PDTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Dymaxion map lovers... (fwd)Comments: cc: Mission Earth

DBHolmes@aol.com writes:> From mail02.mail.aol.com!aol.com!dbholmes Wed Jun 7 15:24:18 1995> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 18:32:32 -0400> From: DBHolmes@aol.com> Message-Id: > To: jl_warren@pnl.gov, gfriend@igc.org, joemoore@cruzio.com> Subject: Dymaxion map lovers...>> ...please note!>>> Subj: Re: 3f icosa NASA map> Date: 06 Jun 1995 21:56 EDT> From: stuq@mhv.net> X-From: stuq@mhv.net (Stuart Quimby)> To: DBHolmes@aol.com>>> >I would greatly appreciate learning more about your product, and its> >availability date.>> should be ready by the end of June.>> >Is it based on a photomosaic of satellite photos, chosen without cloud> cover?> >Something like Tom Van Sant's mosaic?>> Yes, but not his data. Ours is a compilation from WorldSAT and the USGS.>> >What size will the assembled "globe" be? I've been hoping that someone would> >do this sort of thing, and produce at least a 16 inch globe, and hopefully> >20-24 inch.>> 16.5 in. dia.>> >Will the surface just show the photos, or do you plan to overprint it with> >other info? What info?>> not really photos. It uses scans in the near infrared range that are mapped> to visible light frequencies. The USGS data is topographic and bathymmetric> data for the entire world surface. Mean ocean temperature is also included,> indicated by shades of blue.>> >Good luck in your endeavor!>>> Thanks!>> If you would like more info email your address and I'll send a catalog.> ----------------------------------------> Stuart Quimby> Design Science Toys> stuq@mhv.net> 76350,526@compuserve.com> phone 914-756-4221> fax 914-756-4223> ---------------------------------------->>>> ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------

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JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.=========================================================================Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 10:08:05 CSTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: education

hello joy, we should find a way to make world location for Fuller eductational material especially the videos. that means that if i want to get a video in Holland i should be able to, or say in Nigeria.=========================================================================Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 10:21:37 CSTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: children

saturdy is an international children vestival in Utrecht, i am going there and i am going to make the forms for some of the children. next week i do the same in the library. it is not important that i tell you about it, but it might triger some ideas.=========================================================================Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 10:32:21 CSTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Dymaxion map lovers... (fwd)

the latest issue of Leonardo have a good article about solar energy.=========================================================================Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 14:56:38 CSTReply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: specialization

the language of each descipline is so remote from other departmentsthat is almost impossible to communicate.promenent tropes in some fieldsastronomy: classification of galxies,spectrum, particle, evolutionphysics : speed,inertia, acceleration, wave, atom, particles,electomgnatic field,electricity...Mathmatics:curve,integration,defrentiation,volume,area,numbers,biology: cell,organizm,DNA,envirmoment: polution, enviroment degrdation,geography: region, population,resources, vegetation,climate

and so forth endless,what one can be do with all thes fr