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The Facebook and Yahoo JMT Permit FAQ on How to Get a JMT Permit Bibliography compiled by Roleigh Martin Last Updated: 3/24/2016 3:57 PM

Table of Contents The Facebook and Yahoo JMT Permit FAQ on How to Get a JMT Permit .......................................................................... 1

Latest Reason for This FAQ Update .................................................................................................................................... 2

December 31st, 2015, Update Note .................................................................................................................................... 2

Commentary ....................................................................................................................................................................... 2

Important Permit Information Links (Trailhead names, quotas, etc) ................................................................................. 9

Ansel Adams Wilderness ................................................................................................................................................. 9

California Campfire Permit (Online Access) .................................................................................................................... 9

Golden Trout Wilderness ................................................................................................................................................ 9

Hoover Wilderness .......................................................................................................................................................... 9

Humboldt-Toiyabe National Forest................................................................................................................................. 9

Inyo National Forest ........................................................................................................................................................ 9

John Muir Wilderness ..................................................................................................................................................... 9

Overall Sierra Administrative Boundaries Map .............................................................................................................. 9

Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Park ....................................................................................................................... 9

Sequoia National Forest .................................................................................................................................................. 9

Sierra National Forest .................................................................................................................................................. 10

South Sierra Wilderness ................................................................................................................................................ 10

Yosemite National Park ................................................................................................................................................. 10

The Visual Crib Sheet to Obtaining a Yosemite National Park Permit Reservation for Hiking the JMT by Dan Deamer.. 10

Deciphering the Inyo National Forest permit system for the JMT ................................................................................... 12

MOBO Starting Points for the JMT .................................................................................................................................... 12

Annotated Bibliography .................................................................................................................................................... 12

Other Useful Facebook Hiking Groups if You Plan To Hike an Alternate JMT Hike .......................................................... 29

Get the Most out of the two JMT Social Groups – Important Documents Aside from Permit Information .................... 30

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Latest Reason for This FAQ Update This update adds relevant message threads from the Yahoo JMT Group through important threads about the new permit rules and alternatives/options for doing a JMT for Yahoo Postings from 1/1/2015 through 03/31/2015 plus important posting since 01/01/2016 through the date given on the title page of this document. This update has all observed important Facebook postings initiated on Facebook from 01/01/2015 through the date given on the title page of this document. On March 17, 2016, I renamed the file from “FB and Yahoo Threads on current JMT Permit Rules “ to “FB and Yahoo JMT Permit FAQ”. On January 28, 2016, I added a new section at the end on “getting the most out of the two JMT Social Groups.” On February 16, 2016, the notes on an East-Shifted SOBO and doing either a shifted NOBO or MOBO (where Inyo Forest controls the reservation/permit) were improved.

December 31st, 2015, Update Note As of this update, this FAQ will serve to benefit members of both the Yahoo JMT Group as well as the Facebook JMT Group (previously the FAQ was predominantly aimed at the Facebook JMT group members). You do not need to belong to both groups to get benefit from this FAQ, but to be able to chase down all links, you will need to belong to both. You can belong to the Yahoo JMT Group and not receive any emails from posters though, just setup your communication preference to be “web-only” for messages. This update was made because there are some very informative messages posted from / for both groups. Together, the messages posted address the permit issues optimally.

Commentary First of all, a little about me. I am the lead moderator of the John Muir Trail Yahoo Group and I have done the JMT 8 times (as of January 2016). On the JMT Yahoo Group, we have a research archive on the JMT that is not surpassed nor matched by any other website (because we have so many experts in the group). Facebook is not setup to be a research archive, whereas Yahoo supports nested folders for links, files, databases, and photographs. We have made extensive use of everything. We are referenced by Elizabeth Wenk and the Pacific Crest Trail Association as a vital resource for JMT hikers. We have over 4500 members as of this bibliography date. Go here to join if you have not already: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/info For newcomers I recommend you read this thread first, it explains the new JMT application rules issues by Yosemite, effective, 2/2/2015.

About Yosemite’s New (Announced) Permit Changes https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152711948013981/ Originally posted 1/29/2015 Thread Started by Roleigh Martin 195 comments as of 2/3/2015

To get a permit to do the JMT, one needs to think outside the box. Here are the categorical approaches to getting a JMT permit:

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Approach Short Title Approach description Note Kosher JMT Southbound (SOBO)

Get a permit per the specific rules in Yosemite’s NP JMT FAQ from Happy Isles to Whitney Portal

One’s odds for getting this are very remote; best obtained if one applies every day until you win the lottery; problem is that many others are playing this same game.

East-Side Start-shifted JMT Southbound (SOBO) Permit

Start the JMT in Tuolumne Meadows (or continue your JMT in 2 permits after first getting a short one to go to Tuolumne Meadows from Happy Isles) where you do the 4 passes to the East of Donahue Pass and then connect with the JMT at Rush Creek just before you head South and going over Island Pass.

There are several threads linked to below in this FAQ that describe this approach. You end up doing more passes than the 11 legacy passes involved in a JMT hike. See Pete Bolesh’s excellent Youtube video of their East-Shifted SOBO (source link at Facebook) as well as a blog writeup. See this Sierra Mapper depiction of the route showing you what it is like until you get to Red’s Meadow. (Compare such with the legacy SOBO approach from Happy Isles to Red’s Meadow.) Pictures of much of this East-Shifted SOBO prior to getting to the Rush Creek junction on the JMT is shown here.

West-Side Start-shifted JMT Southbound (SOBO) Permit

Start the JMT either in Tuolumne Meadows, Happy Isles, or points SW in Yosemite NP and connect to the JMT near Devil’s Postpile after going over Isberg Pass in SW Yosemite NP.

There are several threads linked to below in this FAQ that describe this approach. You end up doing more passes than the 11 legacy passes involved in a JMT hike.

Kosher JMT Northbound (NOBO) – from Horseshoe Meadows or Cottonwood Meadows

Since the JMT officially terminates or starts at Whitney Summit, one can get to the summer either from the West or the East; getting a Kosher JMT NOBO permit from the West is the easiest to obtain. See this page.

The advantage of getting this permit is that one has 32 miles to hike before getting to the Summit, allowing more time to adjust to the altitude, plus one does not have to deal with the Whitney Quota Lottery game. See this page by Heather Goudreau as well.1 A good YouTube Video by Tim Seymour of this NOBO hike is shown here with much discussion here.

Kosher JMT NOBO – from Whitney Portal

Get a permit per the specific rules by Inyo National Forest to hike the JMT NOBO starting at Whitney Portal. See this page for the rules.

The problem with this approach besides it being a lottery is that the dates to discover you win are past the dates you could have gotten a NOBO JMT permit starting at Horseshoe Meadows.

Kosher JMT Bi-Directional, Two-Permit Approach (first NOBO, then SOBO). Note, this is called the MOBO approach, named by Byron Nevins but publicized by John Ladd.2

At any of the large two digit number of intermediate trailheads on the East or the West of the JMT, get a permit to first hike NOBO to Happy Isles, then bus back to near your starting point, get your second permit from the Forest Service to then hike from that initial starting point to Whitney Portal or Horseshoe Meadows. See this spreadsheet.

This requires getting two permits, spaced apart in time equal to the time it takes to hike the first “half” and bus back to the nearest forest agency to pick up the second permit (that has been reserved ahead of time), and then get back to that initial starting mid-point and hike southbound. Horseshoe or Cottonwood Meadows Trailhead is the easier second permit to get. Also see the MOBO section below.

Start-shifted JMT Northbound (NOBO) Permit

Start the JMT at Kennedy Meadows and hike either the entire JMT to Happy Isles or end after 220 miles (the same length of the JMT).

This adds an additional 65 miles to one’s hike if you do the entire hike.

1 The advice the NOBO web page gives on shuttle service should be amended here. Look at the JMT Crib Sheet, section S3 and S4 for two licensed shuttle services to consider using. 2 See MOBO.PDF (no author name appears in the file but John Ladd attributes the authorship to Byron Nevins) in the files tab, https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/10152829851203981/ and this thread, https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152830431848981/

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For a nice writeup on the NOBO, shifted NOBO and MOBO permit option when it involves Inyo National Forest, see the below section. I also recommend you review the 51 page slideshow I presented on the JMT to the Sierra Club in Reno, Nevada, March 2015. http://bit.ly/JMT_SlideShow_201503 You’ll need good maps to do your JMT. Read my 34 page analytical comparison review of the 5 JMT map guides: http://trailtosummit.com/comprehensive-review-5-jmt-guidebooks/ Additionally, you’ll want maps that will show you the alternate trailheads and how to drive or shuttle to them. See this file about the most comprehensive map of the Sierra surrounding the JMT (aside from Yosemite National Park): https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/10152776398453981/ Also recommended are maps from either National Geographic or Tom Harrison about (in sorted order): Ansel Adams Wilderness Area Golden Trout Wilderness Area Hoover Wilderness in Humboldt Toiyabe National Forest Kings Canyon Sequoia National Forest Sequoia National Park Sierra National Forest

Note, Hoover Wilderness in Humboldt-Toiyabe National Forest are no longer issuing permits from either Twin Lakes, Virginia Lakes, or Green Creek Trailhead where the intent is to hike the JMT once the permit holder arrives at Tuolumne Meadows. All trails (and maps) of the Inyo National Forest are shown on this web page, along with all trail names and quotas. Hat tip to Vance Pomeroy for posting this link in the JMT Yahoo Group. You should also review the Sierra Administrative Boundaries map created by Elizabeth Wenk which is a PDF document located here and in the Facebook Files tab. This will let you know from whom you need to apply to get a permit depending upon which point of the JMT you want to start (before the beginning, beginning, or any midpoint, east or west of the JMT). Cartographer, Jen Dvorsky, also did a political boundary map of the JMT zone too and provided permission to include it in my documentation. Here is the zoomed-out map followed by the two zoomed-in portions of the map. Thank you, Jen!

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I review the 5 JMT map guides in great depth (34 pages, with an included Excel scoring spreadsheet which you can tailor the scoring weights), which is published here: http://trailtosummit.com/comprehensive-review-5-jmt-guidebooks/ . If the link does not work, use this backup link (TrailToSummit reports some temporary problems). Two books tie for #1 but the unadjusted raw score shows the John Muir Trail Data Book by Elizabeth Wenk, 2014, to have the highest raw score. What is relevant about this book for this document about permits is that she shows 33 lateral trails that connect to the JMT on pages 109-112 and shows the length to the JMT and what permit agency to go through to get the permit, as well as what towns are accessed to get to the trailhead. For each of these trails she provides the trail name, length, elevation gain/loss, GPS coordinates, trailhead elevation and the name of the JMT junction and the mileage offset on the JMT where it joins (either headed northbound or southbound). One of the main permit options is to get two permits, one headed Northbound from some midway point, the other, starting so many days later, starting from the same point, headed Southbound. For instance, you could use recreation.gov and get a permit hiking north on the JMT from Devil’s Postpile, and another one scheduled for 2 weeks later to let you hike from Devil’s Postpile on the JMT south of there. You’d have to buss (on a YARTS bus) from Yosemite Valley to Mammoth Lakes once you got to Yosemite Valley after using up your first permit, then at Mammoth Lakes picking up your second permit, and then going back to the trailhead and hiking south then on that second permit. I call this approach the bi-directional, two-permit JMT permit reservation method. Elizabeth Wenk’s book is great for doing this as her table of 33 lateral trails shows you how to do each of those options! Additionally, DJ Ayers in the Yahoo JMT group has documented 230 trailheads with access to the JMT. You have to join the Yahoo Group to download this file, but it's free. It is a great job of documentation. He has two files (KMZ for seeing such on Google Earth and XLSX for seeing it in Excel). See this John Muir Trail Yahoo Group Folder Link for the files mentioned. Go here to join the group, you need to have a basic Yahoo account to have access to the web portion of the group (files and links). You do not need to use Yahoo Email though. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/info To create a Yahoo Account, go here: https://login.yahoo.com/config/login and click on “Create Account”. The John Muir Trail Yahoo Group has over 4600 members and has more research material on Sierra hiking than all the other known web sites combined, this is due to the fact that we have some of the best researchers actively contributing to the site and we have a rich depth of folders in both the Links and Files section of the online library. Note these two authorities and what they say about the group: From http://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/john-muir-trail/jmt-faq/

“Where do people go online to talk about the JMT? We recommend the John Muir Trail Yahoo Group and JMT Facebook group as active hubs for discussion related to the John Muir Trail. Don’t miss the “links” and “files” sections on the yahoo group.”

From Elizabeth Wenk’s 5th edition of her book, John Muir Trail: The Essential Guide to Hiking America’s Most Famous Trail, 2014.

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“The John Muir Trail forum on Yahoo Groups is an inviting place to ask questions and also hosts a large collection of help sheets.”

Important Permit Information Links (Trailhead names, quotas, etc)

Ansel Adams Wilderness Ansel Adams Wilderness Area Page on Permits and Campfires

California Campfire Permit (Online Access)

California Campfire Permit Page

Golden Trout Wilderness Golden Trout Wilderness Area Page on Permits and Campfires

Hoover Wilderness Hoover Wilderness Area Page on Permits and Campfires

Humboldt-Toiyabe National Forest

Humboldt-Toiyabe National Forest Hiker and Backpacker Information

Inyo National Forest

Inyo National Forest Page on JMT and PCT Permits

Note on the above page: “If you will finish the trip at Mt. Whitney, the Trail Crest Exit quota will apply.” Recreation.Gov’s Wilderness Permit Map of Inyo National Forest Recreation.Gov’s page on Inyo National Forest Wilderness Permits Wilderness Trail Names and Quotas for Inyo National Forest

John Muir Wilderness John Muir Wilderness Page on Permits and Campfires

Overall Sierra Administrative Boundaries Map Sierra Administrative Boundaries Map by Elizabeth Wenk

Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Park Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Park Page on Permits and Campfires

Sequoia National Forest

Wilderness Permits for Sequoia National Forest

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Sierra National Forest

Obtaining a Wilderness Permit - Frequently Asked Questions Wilderness Quotas Sierra National Forest

South Sierra Wilderness South Sierra Wilderness Area Page on Permits and Campfires

Yosemite National Park Yosemite Conservancy Page on Wilderness Permits (also see their details page) Yosemite NP Wilderness Permits Yosemite NP JMT FAQ (“Wilderness Permits for JMT Hikers”) Yosemite NP Page on JMT and PCT Yosemite National Page on Permits and Campfires

The Visual Crib Sheet to Obtaining a Yosemite National Park Permit Reservation for Hiking the JMT by Dan Deamer With written permission by Dan Deamer, I present his wonderful poster crib sheet on how to get a permit reservation from Yosemite National Park to hike the JMT and it appears on the next page. Thanks, Dan! Dan Deamer also has a longer (and very well written) text document on obtaining a Yosemite National Park Permit Reservation for hiking the JMT. He posted about it on Facebook on 1/26/2016. The document is on Google Drive here. Another Crib Sheet to get on the JMT is that which contains vital contact information on everything JMT and it is kept here on climber.org – the authors are myself and Karpani Devi (who has twice contacted all phone numbers on the crib sheet to ensure current information. While there (at climber.org) check out Elizabeth’s Wenk’s JMT document there.

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Deciphering the Inyo National Forest permit system for the JMT

Inga Askamit has done an excellent job explaining how to use the permit reservation system for Inyo National Forest to get a NOBO, MOBO or shifted NOBO permit. See here.

MOBO Starting Points for the JMT Heather Goudreau, known as hikingthejmt@gmail.com, has published a nice short list of popular MOBO starting points for the JMT, entitled “JMT Section Hikes”. A full list of all 230 trailheads that can be used for a JMT hike are listed by D. J. Ayers in a files folder on the Yahoo JMT Group (see here and here). For each trailhead DJ lists the Administrative Agency responsible for getting permits there.

Annotated Bibliography Entries are presented from Latest to Earliest “Mt. Whitney lottery results for day hikes & overnight hikes are in!” Post says to check this link (pdf) for more detailed information. https://www.facebook.com/inyonf/posts/1012001488880542 Originally posted 3/24/2016 Thread started by Inyo National Forest 7 comment as of 3/24/2016 “NOBO from Horseshoe (Cottonwood Pass) ” – Tim Seymour (gunnahafta) starts the thread talking about his NOBO route and his most excellent YouTube video. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/58533 Originally posted 3/20/2016 Thread started by gunnahafta (Tim Seymour) 22 comment as of 3/24/2016 “JMT Permits” – Ranger talks about Red Cones trailhead as an alternative to Duck Pass trailhead. Link to specific message in thread. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/58370 Originally posted 3/16/2016 Thread started by John Lindermuth 27 comment as of 3/17/2016 “Permit via Inyo” – Ranger advises not to make a reservation using Firefox. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/57918 Originally posted 2/26/2016 Thread started by Kenneth Jessett 1 comment as of 2/26/2016 “Where can I get a map showing the trail from Tuolumne Meadows to Rush Creek via Mono-Parker Passes?” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153491498813981/ Originally posted 2/16/2016

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Thread started by Bryon Johnson 7 comments as of 2/16/2016 “looking into northbound instead starting at Cottonwood Pass/Horseshoe Meadows this August. I was going through the permit application though and it asks for an entire trip itinerary - a little intimidated by this since I haven't mapped everything out yet! Folks who have done this, do you need to have this entirely planned out when you apply?” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153500721498981/ Originally posted 2/15/2016 Thread started by Michelle Enos 33 comments as of 2/16/2016 “Looking to do a partial stretch (approx 100mi) of the JMT and avoid the Donahue lottery. So from rec.gov I reserved Rush Creek AA05 entry with a Bishop Pass exit. I was unclear if I wanted to start from Rush Creek or Mono/Parker trailhead. I couldnt find the Mono trailhead as an option on rec.gov for an entry point. So my question is the Rush Creek to Bishop pass exit a good itinerary for a partial stretch?” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153494954058981/ Originally posted 2/12/2016 Thread started by Tom Delanoy 9 comments as of 2/24/2016 “To those that went northbound on the jmt can you help me with the permit application. Am I doing this right ? I want to start at cottonwood pass and then summit Mt Whitney. I need help on the itinerary portion.” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153491498813981/ Originally posted 2/11/2016 Thread started by Lacey Markle 28 comments as of 2/11/2016 “Switching Names on Permit” https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/57252 Originally posted 2/10/2016 Thread started by fille29 12 comments as of 2/11/2016 “Trying to get a permit from Inyo National Forest Rec.com site to head south from Devils Postpile exiting Whitney Portal sometime in August. I can get an entry date but when I try to get an exit date each date through August and into September is x'd out and it won't issue a permit because I can't get an exit date.” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153479710558981/ Originally posted 2/5/2016 Thread started by William Hoppes 27 comments as of 2/5/2016 “SOBO alternative to Donahue Pass (Rush Creek) permit questions ” https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/57062

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Originally posted 2/3/2016 Thread started by rsuntag 28 comments as of 2/11/2016 “JMT thru-hike Starting at Mono/Parker Pass Trailhead” https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/56981 Originally posted 2/1/2016 Thread started by ina.groth 27 comments as of 2/11/2016 “Today when he got his denial email [from Yosemite] he also had this message at the top. Has anyone else got this message. “NOTE: Please do not send duplicate applications or multiple applications per group. These are grouped together and will not increase your chances of being awarded a reservation. You are being sent this note because multiple applications were received for your request and/or group"” https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/56990 Originally posted 2/1/2016 Thread started by ejvveen 7 comments as of 2/5/2016 “How and where do I get a permit for JMT entering at Florence lake? It is the Sierra national forest but it looks like I can only mail it in and wait for snail mail confirmation” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153462186368981/ Originally posted 1/27/2016 Thread started by Karen Roach Guye 2 comments as of 1/27/2016 “Any idea if you're more or less likely to get a permit (SOBO, from Happy Isles) if you include a Half Dome permit on the application? Or no change to the likeliness?” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153447227898981/ Originally posted 1/19/2016 Thread started by Sara Schmidt Azadi 7 comments as of 1/19/2016 A fantastic You Tube video with great music, pictures, videos, and gps visualizations (using Google Earth) from their 2015 JMT thru-hike, where they entered the JMT headed south at Rush Creek after doing the 4 passes to the east of Donahue Pass. This video shows the East-shifted SOBO approach in great visualization detail. The Youtube link allows you to bypass Facebook but you lose the comments that way. https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153446865558981/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgAOprnPmgA&feature=youtu.be Originally posted 1/19/2016 Thread started by Pete Bolesh 18 comments as of 1/19/2016

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“First time filling out a Yos application. Question for those of you who are using online faxing services. How do you fill out your signature on the bottom right of the application? Print out filled out .pdf, sign and then re-scan to make a .pdf?” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153445760893981/ Originally posted 1/16/2016 Thread started by Joe Joyce 7 comments as of 1/16/2016 “Trying to make a reservation through the Inyo Nat Forest for a NOBO hike out of Cottonwood Pass. According to the website, a permit not entering the Whitney Zone is $5/person while one entering the Whitney Zone is $15. I've applied for an "Overnight visiting Mt. Whitney" wilderness permit that includes a summit of Whitney but not an exit to Whitney Portal. Anyone know why I'm being charged the $15/person? Does a summit from the west side and an exit back down the west side count as entering the Whitney Zone?” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153438982448981/ Originally posted 1/15/2016 Thread started by Matt Bauwens 15 comments as of 1/15/2016 “I have a question. If I enter at Whitney hiking northbound what trailhead would be my entry. Trying to navigate Inyo permit site” [Note from FAQ editor: included a respondent, Dan Ryan, notes that new for 2016 is Yosemite National Park rule that permits issued outside of Yosemite are not entitled to hike Half Dome. He linked to http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/hdpermits.htm ] https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153437276943981/ Originally posted 1/14/2016 Thread started by Marz Cooper 35 comments as of 1/14/2016 Cindy Gervasoni of Inyo NF e-mailed me and asked that I remind people that there will be no overnight parking this year at Whitney Portal. Road closures will be frequent and up to three hours. [Note from FAQ editor: included because transportation issues can affect permit date planning.] https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153437298273981/ Originally posted 1/14/2016 Thread started by John Ladd 1 comments as of 1/14/2016 Questions and pictures on using Koip Pass instead of Donahue Pass https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/56500 Originally posted 1/13/2016 Thread started by Joe Linehan 7 comments as of 1/13/2016 A couple of questions related to permits leaving from Horseshoe Meadows https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153416100833981/

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Originally posted 1/3/2016 Thread started by Matt Bauwens 13 comments as of 1/3/2016 About getting a permit to go from Reds Meadows to OnionValley Trailhead https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/56209 Originally posted 1/1/2016 Thread started by martyvanderzanden 8 comments as of 1/18/2016 “For all JMT SoBo June, 2016 start dates: Pay attention and plan/adjust accordingly... I'm about to throw a wrench into your plans! You may be about to go the wrong way! Hear me out, now... IF we get a real winter (and it is looking like we just may!), at least a "normal" winter, where total Tahoe snowfall comes in at 300-400 inches (the last major winter, 2010-2011, showed us receiving 500+ inches), your June expected snowline, the elevation where you first start running into snow covering the trail, may be around 10,000 feet. What does this matter?”… [Note: this is an important thread for those wanting to start prior to July 2016] https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153408922328981/ Originally posted 12/30/2015 Thread started by Ned Tibbits 71 comments as of 1/3/2016 “A woman working for Yosemite Conservancy contacted me yesterday to say there will be NO CHANGES to the Yosemite permit reservation system this year. They have been testing an online system but are not yet satisfied with it. In addition, they are reverting to the old standard of reservations becoming available 24 weeks before your hike date - NOT 26 weeks as their website has been reporting for the last months. This should be updated today.” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153277598953981/ Originally posted 11/12/2015 Thread started by Elizabeth Wenk 3 comments as of 11/12/2015 Yosemite Reservations are now 6 months out not 24 weeks out. “Yosemite has changed their "sliding permit window" to 182 days - see link.” – 11/12/2015 note: the news here is rescinded on 11/12/2015 by Elizabeth Wenk https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10153277598953981/ Originally posted 10/15/2015 Thread started by Elizabeth Wenk 45 comments as of 11/4/2015 Questions about “The MOBO approach” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152830431848981/ Originally posted 3/24/2015 Thread started by James Christopherson 5 comments as of 3/24/2015

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Poster got permit exiting Yosemite at Isberg Pass to hike over to Devil’s Postpile and then on south on the JMT. Asks about trail condition until arriving at JMT. https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152818185023981/ Originally posted 3/18/2015 Thread started by Alex Vaughan 3 comments as of 3/18/2015 “I know someone (perhaps two services) exist that provides the service of shopping and packing food for JMT hikes, especially for those who live overseas. What are their names again?“ [FAQ Editor note: added because some will not do a certain permit direction route, such as NOBO, if they have to first shop for their food upon arriving from Europe.] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/50782 Originally posted 3/17/2015 Thread started by Roleigh Martin 4 comments as of 1/14/2016 “I have a permit reservation! It appears that on Monday, August 31st, I'll be departing Glacier Point on an Illilouette permit. My route takes me along Illouette Creek, past the Merced Pass Lakes, past Ottoway Lakes, over Red Peak and Isberg Passes, Sadler Lake, Hemlock Crossing, and on into Red's Meadow. My question to those who have hiked this area: what gives? What makes this any more difficult…?” https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/50783 Originally posted 3/17/2015 Thread started by Ray Ripple 29 comments as of 1/14/2016 “So i'm starting to get a little bit discouraged that I wont get a permit like what can I do to up my chances to grab one!!!?” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152816882338981/ Originally posted 3/17/2015 Thread started by Everette Haire 12 comments as of 3/19/2015 “we're looking at starting our hike at the Rush Creek trailhead in Inyo instead. Has anyone done this before? Where did you list your exit point? We'd like to do as much of the JMT as we can, so we'll be joining it at the Rush Creek Junction. Does anyone have an itinerary for this?” https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/50747 Originally posted 3/16/2015 Thread started by cdbrown06 17 comments as of 1/14/2016 “map showing administrative boundaries in the Sierra” https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/50523

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Originally posted 3/8/2015 Thread started by Elizabeth Wenk 14 comments as of 1/14/2016 “Walk up Permit” https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/50472 Originally posted 3/7/2015 Thread started by tvanr13 6 comments as of 1/14/2016 “Trails around Hemlock Crossing The discussions here indicate more people than usually will be hiking over Isberg Pass and then onto Devils Postpile this summer. … Using Google Earth, I’ve been trying to trace the route from Isberg Pass to Devils Postpile that stays within the wilderness boundaries. Those who read my post a few weeks back will note that I’ve never hiked the section from the Isberg Trail to Hemlock Crossing and hiked the stretch from Hemlock Crossing to Corral Meadow (to the east) 20 years ago and found it little travelled. I’m planning on re-visiting these trails in 2016 as part of my update of Wilderness Press’ Yosemite backpacking titles. In the meantime…” https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/messages/50470 Originally posted 3/7/2015 Thread started by Elizabeth Wenk 16 comments as of 1/14/2016 “Permit Exit Dates” https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/50443 Originally posted 3/6/2015 Thread started by Oliver Perry 11 comments as of 1/14/2016 Phone Difficulties with Yosemite Reservation System, Mono Pass TH Option, etc. https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152792829268981/ Originally posted 3/6/2015 Thread started by Tim Sharp 43 comments as of 3/6/2015 “Anyone have experience trading permits with others? Is that allowed?” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152784296148981/ Originally posted 3/6/2015 Thread started by Kathleen Rush 17 comments as of 3/6/2015 “I'm interested in car camping in the TM campground for a few days before starting my JMT hike to acclimatize. I see that reservations become available on March 15th at 7:00 AM PDT. Do I need to try to get a reservation at exactly 7:00

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AM to have a chance to get a reservation or can I expect to get a reservation as long as I apply within a few days of the 15th? If I cannot get a reservation in TM campground are there other nearby campgrounds you would suggest?” https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/50409 Originally posted 3/5/2015 Thread started by Pete Lester 10 comments as of 1/14/2016 “After being denied 3 applications of a HI-Illilouette over Isberg Pass and exit Whitney. I called permit office and actually got through.” [And got the permit over the phone] https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152788761413981/ Originally posted 3/4/2015 Thread started by Jeffrey Loflin 16 comments as of 3/4/2015 Personal experience comments about getting the bi-directional (first NOBO, second SOBO or vice-versa), two-permit JMT reservation from places like recreation.gov https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152782887933981/ Originally posted 3/2/2015 Thread started by Dwayne Carter 4 comments as of 3/2/2015 JMT Permit #s [FAQ Editor’s note: added because of John Morrison’s adding to the thread his question and generated responses to: “When I read about alternatives to the JMT, I always ask: where is the resupply? There are really no alternatives to the JMT, not because of the beauty of the terrain, but because of logistics.”] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/50251 Originally posted 3/2/2015 Thread started by quantumbinary 23 comments as of 1/14/2016 Using an unused spot on a permit, doing a bi-directional, 2 permit JMT hike https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152775723993981/ Originally posted 2/26/2015 Thread started by Shehzad Lokhandwalla 10 comments as of 2/26/2015 Exiting the trail for resupply - bad info from Yosemite Reservation Office https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/50005 Originally posted 2/25/2015 Thread Started by mcollentine 3 comment as of 1/1/2016

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Getting from Isberg pass to the JMT! https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49991 Originally posted 2/24/2015 Thread Started by fishskikag 11 comment as of 1/1/2016 “Considering a NOBO permit request. Can anyone tell me what my best chance would be, entry, 1st night camp etc..?” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152774236393981/ Originally posted 2/25/2015 Thread started by Gary Agee 23 comments as of 3/5/2015 Do I put down a Donahue Pass exit date on my reservation application for Yosemite NP? https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152760509618981/ Originally posted 2/19/2015 Thread started by Ralph Acorn 1 comment as of 2/19/2015 Trailhead Location Files [Note by Roleigh: this is an important thread with reference to uploaded & important files] https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152759821488981/ Originally posted 2/19/2015 Thread Started by dj_ayers 7 comment as of 1/1/2016 Issues to consider when doing a bi-directional (split Nobo/Sobo) JMT Permit Reservation https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152759821488981/ Originally posted 2/19/2015 Thread Started by Doreen Likness 1 comment as of 2/19/2015 Links to Trailheads (their codenames and quotas) for Inyo National Forest and Sierra National Forest https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152758218258981/ Originally posted 2/18/2015 Thread started by Roleigh Martin 3 comments as of 2/18/2015 About faxing difficulties getting a JMT permit reservation from Yosemite https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152756855433981/ Originally posted 2/18/2015 Thread started by Sreejith Kt 9 comments as of 2/18/2015

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Can anyone tell me what time of day new permits become available on recreation.gov? https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152757474028981/ Originally posted 2/18/2015 Thread started by Travis Almandinger 7 comments as of 3/2/2015 About hiking the JMT Northbound and permit reservation considerations/questions https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152757029908981/ Originally posted 2/18/2015 Thread started by Tony Cortina 19 comments as of 2/18/2015 Are there separate web pages that lists all the Trailhead names and codes for these two national forests? Inyo National Forest and Sierra National Forest? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49538 Originally posted 2/18/2015 Thread started by Roleigh Martin 12 comments as of 1/1/2016 “21 consecutive days of SOBO attempts declined, dreams shattered. So long JMT.” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152754458828981/ Originally posted 2/16/2015 Thread started by Christian Evans 53 comments as of 2/18/2015 ”After being turned down many times for LYV, Sunrise, and Lyell canyon, I thought starting in wawona and going over Isberg would be a slam dunk...I was turned down for that too.” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152751597128981/ Originally posted 2/16/2015 Thread started by Larry Martin 14 comments as of 2/18/2015 About getting a Yosemite Permit Reservation and doing a JMT Detoured-Start by exiting Yosemite at Isberg Pass and difficulties getting this alternate-route permit https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152747502433981/ Originally posted 2/15/2015 Thread started by Kara Downey 11 comments as of 2/18/2015 Rush Creek and Bloody Canyon https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49538 Originally posted 2/13/2015

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Thread started by daniel0005 5 comments as of 1/1/2016 Starting in Yosemite at Mono Pass TH and where to camp that first night (Yosemite NP is not allowed) https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152681983778981/ Originally posted Thread started by Roleigh Martin 17 comments as of 2/13/2015 Announcement of a new (relevant) facebook group, Theodore Solomons Trail Hikers https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152737218598981/ Originally posted 2/11/2015 Thread started by Jenna Yokoyama No comments but in one day 158 members joined “Just had a rejection for leaving from mono meadows (on a day that wasn't full) and exiting Yosemite over isberg (with a view to join up with the jmt at devils post pile). The standard email cited Donahue pass quota as the reason. Any ideas?” https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152737103173981/ Originally posted 2/11/2015 Thread started by Stuart Hyslop 9 comments as of 2/12/2015 Alternate from Happy Isles to Red's Meadow via Isberg Pass? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49476 Originally Posted 2/11/2015 Thread started by Roleigh Martin 9 comments as of 1/1/2016 After you have made a reservation application, please indicate your action in this poll https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152735319188981/?qa_ref=qd Originally posted 2/10/2015 Poll started by Roleigh Martin 55 respondents so far as of 2/12/2015 46 comments as of 2/12/2015 You can still do the JMT via Happy Isles as a Walk-in https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49339 Originally Posted 2/10/2015 Thread started by Roleigh Martin 8 comments as of 1/1/2016

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Fee for Duplicate Reservations https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49358 Originally Posted 2/9/2015 Thread started by Becky (holzier) 6 comments as of 1/1/2016 Doing Rae Lakes out of Road’s End; Walk-in Permit to do JMT; Mono Pass Option https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152734066523981/ Originally Posted 2/9/2015 Thread started by Lori Rogers 30 comments as of 2/10/2015 Elizabeth Wenk’s Trail Notes on the Yosemite Alternate Hiking Trails to Exit Yosemite on non-Donahue Passes https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152733983518981/ Originally Posted 2/9/2015 Thread started by Elizabeth Wenk 15 comments as of 2/10/2015 Notes on Alternate Trail Options [by Elizabeth Wenk] https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152733983518981/ Originally Posted 2/9/2015 Thread started by Elizabeth Wenk 4 comments as of 1/1/2016 Elizabeth Wenk’s Thoughts on the Donahue Exit Quota https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49339 Originally Posted 2/8/2015 Thread started by Elizabeth Wenk 17 comments as of 1/1/2016 Generally Overwhelmed and Confused [Note by Roleigh: this long thread contains a lot of embedded threads, such as discussing the problems using the Virginia Lakes option through Hoover Wilderness] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49341 Originally Posted 2/8/2015 Thread started by mikey.gaumann 149 comments as of 1/1/2016 Donohue Exit Alternative? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/messages/49207 Originally Posted 2/5/2015 Thread started by matt_ciprian 6 comments as of 1/1/2016

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Hiking out of Tuolumne Meadows via Mono Meadow Permit https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49244 Originally Posted 2/5/2015 Thread started by reynoldd3 5 comments as of 1/1/2016 Look what I found!!!!! Hint, Theodore Solomons Trail https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49190 Originally Posted 2/4/2015 Thread started by pdawg893 31 comments as of 1/1/2016 Any Bridalveil and Wawona Yosemite NP TH experts in the group? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49197 Originally Posted 2/4/2015 Thread started by Roleigh Martin 3 comments as of 1/1/2016 Starting JMT by Mono Meadow Trailhead -> Isberg Pass? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49120 Originally Posted 2/3/2015 Thread started by kenrick.rlee 3 comments as of 1/1/2016 Hiking a Northbound JMT thru-hike https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152721336628981/ Originally posted 2/2/2015 Thread started by John Ladd 20 comments as of 2/3/2015 Donahue Pass Exit Quota Questions https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49012 Originally posted 1/31/2015 Thread started by daniel0005 8 comments as of 12/31/2015 South East Yosemite to Isberg Pass / Fernandez Pass to Devils Postpile https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49007 Originally posted 1/31/2015 Thread started by brucelem12 10 comments as of 12/31/2015 Horseshoe Meadows Permit

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https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/49000 Originally posted 1/31/2015 Messages started by lostimnot 35 comments as of 1/1/2016 About hiking from Devil’s Postpile to Happy Isles, busing back to Red’s Meadow, hiking on 2nd permit to Whitney https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152716809793981/ Originally posted 1/31/2015 Thread started by Sean Walsh 27 comments as of 2/3/2015 About Yosemite’s New (Announced) Permit Changes https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152711948013981/ Originally posted 1/29/2015 Thread Started by Roleigh Martin 195 comments as of 2/3/2015 Big Changes Ahead for JMT Thru-Hikers (about Yosemite Permit Changes) https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152711807018981/ Originally posted 1/29/2015 Thread started by Simon Campbell 19 comments as of 2/3/2015 Alternative JMT Trails elsewhere in the Country https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152712352773981/ Originally posted 1/29/2015 Thread started by Rachael Moya Jacobs 102 Comments as of 2/3/2015 JMT Northbound with High Sierra Trail Extension Viability https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/48911 Originally posted 1/29/2015 Thread started by kylebarron2 14 Messages as of 12/31/2015 Yosemite has made their official announcement about permit changes https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/48888 Originally posted 1/29/2015 Thread started by Roleigh Martin 95 Messages as of 12/31/2015 About the Great Sierra Loop (alternative to the JMT)

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152710487298981/ Originally posted 1/28/2015 Thread started by Eric Moll 10 comments as of 2/3/2015 Megaloop Alternative to the JMT https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152709077073981/ Originally posted 1/27/2015 Thread started by Simon Campbell 46 comments as of 2/3/2015 On Northbound (NOBO) alternative to doing a traditional Southbound (SOBO) JMT Hike https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152702913408981/ Originally posted 1/24/2015 Thread started by Carl Ramstrom 17 comments as of 2/3/2015 About Ray Rippel’s blog post of his interview with Ed Dunlavey, Yosemite Wilderness Office Mgr. https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152699427488981/ Originally posted 1/22/2015 Thread started by Martin Berdon 61 comments as of 2/3/2015 Double permit option, first hike North from Vermilion Resort; 2nd permit hike to Vermilion Resort from Whitney or Horseshoe Meadow (after taking bus from Happy Isles to Lone Pine) https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152698624653981/ Originally posted 1/22/2015 Thread started by Upama Rai 14 comments as of 2/3/2015 On JMTBook.com Blog Post: Big Changes Ahead for John Muir Trail Thru-Hikers https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/48715 Originally posted 1/22/2015 Thread started by Ray Rippel 12 Messages as of 12/31/2015 On the Mono/Parker Pass to Rush Creek to JMT then Southbound https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/48667 Originally posted 1/21/2015 Thread started by Jeff (jjmcwill2003) 5 Messages as of 12/31/2015

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On Theodore Solomons Trail (a parallel trail to the JMT) https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152697399248981/ Originally posted 1/21/2015 Thread started by Jeff Hester 41 Comments as of 2/3/2015 West side trails through SEKI (Sequoia & Kings Canyon National Parks) onto the JMT (then Northbound) https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/48534 Originally posted 1/16/2015 Thread started by Peter Lusche 11 Messages as of 12/31/2015 On NOBO (Northbound) JMT Hike (and about Trail Pass TH as an alternative to Cottonwood Pass TH or Cottonwood Lakes TH—all three originate from Horseshoe Meadows) https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/48491 Originally posted 1/15/2015 Thread started by Kent Muraoka 11 Messages as of 12/31/2015 On Mono Pass Trailhead (Optional Starting SOBO Trailhead) https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152681983778981/ Originally posted 1/13/2015 Thread started by Roleigh Martin 13 Comments as of 2/3/2015 On Pending Yosemite Permit Changes (interview with Ed Dunlavey by Peter Hirst) https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152680579338981/ Originally posted 1/12/2015 Thread started by Peter Hirst 22 Comments as of 2/3/2015 On Theodore Solomons Trail (a parallel trail to the JMT) https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/permalink/10152678900428981/ Originally posted 1/12/2015 Thread started by Roleigh Martin 37 comments as of 2/3/2015 JMT Update from Yosemite NP to JMT Webmasters (Official) https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/conversations/topics/48279 Originally posted 1/9/2015 Thread started by Roleigh Martin 27 comments as of 1/1/2016

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Note – Another Section Follows and Begins on the Next Page

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Other Useful Facebook Hiking Groups if You Plan To Hike an Alternate JMT Hike Know about Altitude Acclimation before you do your JMT. Join this Facebook group (“Altitude Acclimation”) and read their FAQ which is kept in their Files tab. Read their pinned post. If you plan on doing a shifted SOBO, where you start farther north of Tuolumne Meadows, or if you plan on doing a shifted SOBO where you plan to start on the Theodore Solomons Trail (to the West of the JMT and join the JMT at Devil’s Postpile), these two Facebook Groups are worth joining. Theodore Solomons Trail Hikers https://www.facebook.com/groups/583973691738755/ 570 Members as of 1/1/2016

DESCRIPTION A group for anyone interested in the Theodore Solomons Trail. This is an unofficial trail through the Sierras that runs from Yosemite to Cottonwood Pass near Mt. Whitney. This group is a place to share trip reports or ask questions about the TST. The group has a research repository for containing organized links (in separate folders) using Yahoo Groups and is discussed here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/583973691738755/permalink/591920380944086/ Related groups: John Muir Trail - https://www.facebook.com/groups/2240988980/ John Muir Trail on Yahoo - https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/info Sites: http://www.theodoresolomonstrail.org

Tahoe to Yosemite PCT Section Hikers https://www.facebook.com/groups/920451668029193/ 445 Members as of 1/1/2016

DESCRIPTION This group (Tahoe to Yosemite PCT Section Hikers) is for discussion and documentation (files, links and photos) as well as for event announcement for PCT Section Hikes between the PCT near Truckee, California and Tuolumne Meadows in Yosemite National Park. This group's official focus is on the PCT trail between Donner Pass and Tuolomne Meadows. The historical TYT (Tahoe to Yosemite Trail) that is not on the PCT was never finished and requires bushwhacking and serious navigational skills. This group may discuss the historical TYT but is not focused on it. Please be aware of this important distinction. Update note (11/23/2015): a new Facebook group is focused on this historical Tahoe to Yosemite Trail that does not utilize fully the PCT Section. It is located at https://www.facebook.com/groups/195597210775057/ -- It is called the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail Group.

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Get the Most out of the two JMT Social Groups – Important Documents Aside from Permit Information Title (Sorted Alphabetically) Note A comprehensive review of 5 JMT Guidebooks/Mapsets - link

Authored by me, I provide the underlying Excel spreadsheet so readers can tailor the analyses to meet their own scoring preferences. In addition, all known electronic map aids are covered.

Databases for Facebook and Yahoo JMT Members to Update and Use.pdf – Facebook Link and Yahoo Folder Link

This document provides links to the four JMT databases that members of the Facebook and Yahoo JMT groups are encouraged to update and use (about who is on the trail when, where can one get Cell Service, and cost sharing a packer supply-dropoff service).

JMT Crib Sheet with shuttle, rental, shower, hotel, and ranger info for John Muir Trail hikers - link

Originally compiled by myself, this crib sheet is periodically validated for accuracy by Karpani Devi who makes numerous phone calls – it prints out on one sheet of paper (back-to-back).

JMT Spreadsheet with Embedded GPS Files for the book John Muir Trail by Elizabeth Wenk - link

Many thanks to Elizabeth Wenk and her publisher. Her book is here and on Amazon and at other booksellers.

John Muir Trail: Permits, Planning and Prep - Link By Inga Aksamit. Inga is also the author of the book, Highs and Lows on the John Muir Trail: One woman’s wilderness adventure

Know about Facebook Groups and what features are used in the Facebook JMT Group -- link

Be sure and read the comments!

Link to the John Muir Trail Slide Show Presented to the Sierra Club, Reno, 2014-12-21 - link

Authored by me, this is a 49 page Slide Show providing a ton of overview information and links to other resources on the JMT

The Altitude Acclimation Facebook Group Know about Altitude Acclimation before you do your JMT. Join this Facebook group (“Altitude Acclimation”) and read their FAQ which is kept in their Files tab. Read their pinned post.

The JMT Facebook Files Tab - link Sorted by last date the file was uploaded or revised, you have to scroll through the display to see all files there

The JMT Yahoo Files Top Folder - link Click on drop-down box, Actions, and choose Alphabetical. Unfortunately due to a Yahoo glitch, you have to do this again whenever you navigate to a different subfolder and you want to see the displayed files or subfolders listed alphabetically. The default display is by date last uploaded or revised. There are many subfolders and files here. You can spend considerable time here. Be sure and visit the folder, “_A short overview of our Group”.

The JMT Yahoo Links Top Folder - link Click on drop-down box, Actions, and choose Alphabetical. Unfortunately due to a Yahoo glitch, you have to do this again whenever you navigate to a different subfolder and you want to see the displayed links or subfolders listed alphabetically. The default display is by date last uploaded or revised. There are many subfolders and links here. You can spend considerable time here. Be sure and visit the folder, “!Links useful to get the most out of this Yahoo Group”.

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Many other authors, web pages, documents, and books exist on the JMT worth knowing about but they are referenced in the Slideshow referenced above.