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AUV.2012-10 Agenda.doc

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

MEMORANDUM

TO: Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations

FROM: R. P. Benedetti

DATE: October 16, 2012

SUBJECT: Agenda for NFPA 30A First Draft Meeting – October 30, 2012 _________________________________________________________________________________ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A First Draft Meeting of the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations, to be held Tuesday, October 30, 2012, at the offices of the National Fire Protection Association, in Quincy MA. If you have additional items for the Agenda, please bring them with you to the meeting. rpb/ cc AUV Meeting Folder AUV/NM ACronin LFuller

AUV.2012-10 Agenda.doc


AGENDA

Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations National Fire Protection Association offices

Quincy, MA Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM

1. Call to Order. 2. Introduction of Attendees. Update of Committee Roster. [Attachment № A1] 3. Approval of Minutes of Last Meeting. [Attachment № A2] 4. Report of Committee Chair. 5. Report of Staff Liaison.

Technical Committee Scope. [Attachment № A3] Technical Committee Membership Status. [Attachment № A3] A2011 Document Revision Schedule. [Attachment № A4]

6. Briefing on Fire Protection Research Foundation Activities. [K. Almand, Executive Director] 7. Presentation on NFPA’s New Standards Development Process. [NFPA Staff] 8. Review and Act on Proposed Amendments to NFPA 30A-2012. [Attachment № A5] 9. Recent Correspondence. [NONE] 10. Other Old Business. [NONE] 11. New Business.

Mandatory Grounding of Vents, Drop Tubes, Risers. Separation Between Aboveground Fuel Tanks and Delivery Vehicles. Suggested Revision to Section 6.7. [Attachment № A6] Separation Between Aboveground Fuel Tanks and Dispensers. [Attachment № A7] Does Scope of NFPA 30A Include Non-Registered Vehicles?

12. Schedule Next Meeting(s). 13. Adjournment.

Address List No PhoneAutomotive and Marine Service Stations AUV-AAA

Robert P. Benedetti10/16/2012

AUV-AAAAlfredo M. RamirezChairUL LLC333 Pfingsten RoadNorthbrook, IL 60062-2096Alternate: Roland A. Riegel

RT 4/15/2004AUV-AAA

Frank G. BiancucciPrincipalCity of Hamilton Emergency ServicesFire Prevention Division55 King William StreetHamilton, ON L8R 1A2 Canada

E 03/05/2012

AUV-AAARob BrownPrincipalHusky Corporation2325 Husky WayPacific, MO 63069

M 8/9/2011AUV-AAA

Charles A. BurnsPrincipalOscar W. Larson Company10100 Dixie HighwayClarkston, MI 48348

IM 3/4/2009

AUV-AAASullivan D. CurranPrincipalFiberglass Tank & Pipe Institute11150 South Wilcrest Drive, Suite 101Houston, TX 77099-4343Alternate: Patrick A. McLaughlin

M 1/1/1993AUV-AAA

Nils DeaconPrincipalMutual Service Office, Inc.1108 Morris AvenuePoint Pleasant, NJ 08742

I 08/09/2012

AUV-AAABrian C. DonovanPrincipalSTICO Mutual Insurance Company171 West Wing Street, Suite 208Arlington Heights, IL 60005

I 1/1/1993AUV-AAA

Paul J. DoylePrincipalPetroleum Marine Consultants, LLC13833 Wellington Trace, E4 #207Wellington, FL 33414

IM 10/18/2011

AUV-AAAThomas K. DrubePrincipalChart Industries, Inc.407 7th Street NWNew Prague, MN 56071

M 4/3/2003AUV-AAA

Michael L. EavesPrincipalClean Energy3020 Old Ranch Parkway, Suite 400Seal Beach, CA 90740

IM 8/9/2011

AUV-AAAThomas J. ForsythePrincipalHughes Associates, Inc.2551 San Ramon Valley Blvd., Suite 209San Ramon, CA 94583

SE 4/28/2000AUV-AAA

Fred B. GoodnightPrincipalAmerex Corporation7595 Gadsden HighwayPO Box 81Trussville, AL 35173-0081Fire Equipment Manufacturers' Association

M 1/1/1988

AUV-AAACurtis N. HardingPrincipalTyco Fire Suppression & Building ProductsOne Stanton StreetMarinette, WI 54143Alternate: Adam Stewart

M 8/5/2009AUV-AAA

Donald HauszPrincipalAll Out Fire Equipment Company, Inc.385 High StreetHolbrook, NY 11741National Association of Fire Equipment Distributors

IM 1/1/1988

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AUV-AAADouglas B. HornePrincipalDBHorne LLC6011 Fords Lake CourtAcworth, GA 30101Clean Vehicle Education Foundation

M 10/28/2008AUV-AAA

Marshall A. KleinPrincipalMarshall A. Klein & Associates, Inc.6815 Autumn View DriveEldersburg, MD 21784-6304Automotive Oil Change AssociationAlternate: David M. Hammerman

U 1/1/1987

AUV-AAARichard S. KrausPrincipalAPI/Petroleum Safety Consultants210 East Fairfax Street, Apt. 600Falls Church, VA 22046-2909American Petroleum Institute

U 3/1/2011AUV-AAA

Ronald B. Laurence, Jr.PrincipalStantec Consulting Services, Inc.5 Dartmouth Drive, Suite 101Auburn, NH 03032

SE 8/9/2011

AUV-AAAThomas J. MarhevkoPrincipalNational Marine Manufacturers Association231 South LaSalle Street, Suite 2050Chicago, IL 60604

U 10/27/2005AUV-AAA

Randy MosesPrincipalWayne, A GE Energy BusinessHeritage Campus, Suite 4041000 East Walnut StreetPerkasie, PA 18944

M 3/1/2011

AUV-AAADavid T. PhelanPrincipalBergenfield Fire Department114 Niagara StreetDumont, NJ 07628

E 03/05/2012AUV-AAA

William E. RehrPrincipalInternational Code Council4051 West Flossmoor RoadCountry Club Hills, IL 60478

E 1/1/1987

AUV-AAARobert N. RenkesPrincipalPetroleum Equipment Institute6514 East 69th StreetTulsa, OK 74133

M 1/1/1987AUV-AAA

Jess A. RobbinsPrincipalPlasteel Inc.2541 State Street, Suite 205Carlsbad, CA 92008

M 08/09/2012

AUV-AAAJames R. RoccoPrincipalSage Risk Solutions, LLC360 Heritage RoadAurora, OH 44202Petroleum Marketers Association of AmericaAlternate: Charles R. Plummer

U 3/21/2006AUV-AAA

Robert C. Schultz, Jr.PrincipalUniversity of Texas at AustinFire Prevention ServicesPO Box 7729Austin, TX 78713-7729

U 10/1/1995

AUV-AAAJoel E. SipePrincipalExponent, Inc.3527 13th Street, NWWashington, DC 20010

SE 8/9/2011AUV-AAA

Charles A. SunderhausPrincipalOPW Fueling Components9393 Princeton Glendale RoadHamilton, OH 45011

M 4/14/2005

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AUV-AAABruce J. SwiecickiPrincipalNational Propane Gas Association21200 South LaGrange Road, Suite 353Frankfort, IL 60423

IM 7/1/1996AUV-AAA

Kevin J. WolfPrincipalIntertek Testing Services3933 US Route 11Cortland, NY 13045-9715

RT 8/5/2009

AUV-AAADavid M. HammermanAlternateMarshall A. Klein and Associates, Inc.3950 Chaffey RoadRandallstown, MD 21133Automotive Oil Change AssociationPrincipal: Marshall A. Klein

U 4/5/2001AUV-AAA

Patrick A. McLaughlinAlternateMcLaughlin & Associates186 Shawomet AvenueWarwick, RI 02889Fiberglass Tank & Pipe InstitutePrincipal: Sullivan D. Curran

M 10/1/1993

AUV-AAACharles R. PlummerAlternatePPM Consultants, Inc.2508 Ticheli RoadMonroe, LA 71202Petroleum Marketers Association of AmericaPrincipal: James R. Rocco

U 4/14/2005AUV-AAA

Roland A. RiegelAlternateUL LLC1285 Walt Whitman RoadMelville, NY 11747-3085Principal: Alfredo M. Ramirez

RT 4/15/2004

AUV-AAAAdam StewartAlternateTyco Fire Protection ProductsOne Stanton StreetMarinette, WI 54143Principal: Curtis N. Harding

M 03/05/2012AUV-AAA

William R. HamiltonNonvoting MemberUS Department of LaborOccupational Safety & Health Administration200 Constitution Ave. NW, Room N3609Washington, DC 20210Alternate: Matthew I. Chibbaro

E 3/4/2009

AUV-AAAMatthew I. ChibbaroAlt. to Nonvoting MemberUS Department of LaborOccupational Safety & Health Administration200 Constitution Ave. NW, Room N3609Washington, DC 20210Occupational Safety & Health AdministrationPrincipal: William R. Hamilton

E 4/15/2004AUV-AAA

Donald M. JohnsonMember Emeritus3333 Rossmoor Parkway, #1Walnut Creek, CA 94595

1/1/1987

AUV-AAARobert P. BenedettiStaff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471

4/22/2008

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AUV.2010-10 Minutes.doc

ATTACHMENT № A2


MINUTES of MEETING Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations

Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel Atlanta, GA

October 4, 2010

I. Attendance C. A. Burns, Oscar W. Larson Company B. C. Donovan, STICO Mutual Insurance Company F. B. Goodnight, Amerex Corporation (Rep. Fire Equipment Manufacturers' Association)

J. P. Hartmann, John Hartmann & Associates A. M. Ramirez, Underwriters Laboratories Inc., CHAIR

R. N. Renkes, Petroleum Equipment Institute J. R. Rocco, Sage Risk Solutions, LLC (Rep. Petroleum Marketers Association of America)

R. C. Schultz, University of Texas at Austin – Fire Prevention Services R. Sharpe, Plasteel International Inc. C. A. Sunderhaus, OPW Fueling Components R. P. Benedetti, NFPA, STAFF LIAISON P. May, NFPA, STAFF LIAISON Guests: R. Kraus, PSC Petroleum Safety Consultants (Rep. American Petroleum Institute) D. Schmidt, Steel Tank Institute/SPFA Minutes 1. The meeting was called to order at 8:00 AM by Technical Committee Chair Al Ramirez. 2. Attendees introduced themselves and necessary corrections were made to the Technical Committee

roster. A copy of the current roster will be sent under separate cover. 3. The Minutes of the previous meeting (January 2010, St. Petersburg Bayfront Hotel,

St. Petersburg FL) were unanimously approved. 4. Technical Committee Chair Al Ramirez reviewed the meeting agenda. 5. The Staff Liaison presented the following reports:

Technical Committee Scope & Technical Committee Name. At the April, 2009 meeting, the Committee reviewed, but did not act on, proposed changes to the Technical Committee’s Scope statement. The Technical Committee approved additional changes, including a change of the


name to “Technical Committee on Motor Fuel Dispensing and Automotive Repair Facilities”. [See Attachment № M1] Action Item: The Staff Liaison is to circulate a letter ballot to the Technical Committee on the proposed new scope. If the vote is affirmative, the Staff Liaison is to submit the new Scope to the NFPA Standards Council for their approval.

Technical Committee Membership Status. The Staff Liaison reviewed recent changes to the Technical Committee’s membership. As requested, a copy of the descriptions of the membership categories is included. [See Attachment № M2.] The Technical Committee expressed concern that, with the retirement of Messrs. Benscoter and Gregory, there is no representation from dispenser manufacturers or from the American Petroleum Institute, although in the latter case a replacement is expected. Action Item: Bob Renkes agreed to seek a candidate from one of the dispenser manufacturers.

A2011 Document Revision Schedule. The Staff Liaison reviewed the deadlines of the 2011

document revision schedule. 6. Report on Alternative Fuels.

Status of NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code. Paul May reported that NFPA 2 has completed its Report on Proposals (ROP) and Report on Comments (ROC) process. Challenges to the new code are expected, however.

Biofuels: Biodiesel, Ethanol, etc. Bob Renkes reported that an increase in the ethanol blend limit to 15 percent is expected within 1 to 2 years. He also reported that US House Bill 5778 is being sponsored to require the Environmental Protection Agency to delay implementation of the increase until compatibility issues with legacy dispensing system components, vehicle fuel systems, and other small motors can be determined. The Department of Energy is now testing vehicle compatibility, with a report expected soon.

Update of UL Work on Alternative Fuels. Al Ramirez reported on Underwriters Laboratories’ progress on listing system components for use with intermediate ethanol/gasoline blends. Listed equipment is now being introduced. Three levels of testing are being implemented: gasoline only, E25, and E85.

Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF). Bob Renkes reported that PEI/RP1100-10, Recommended Practices for the Storage and Dispensing of Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF), has been published. He also reported that, to date, there have been no adverse area classification or local approvals issues.

7. Report on Tentative Interim Amendment (TIA) 985. The Staff Liaison reported on the status of this

TIA and the fact that it was not approved by the NFPA Standards Council. Bob Renkes suggested that the Technical Committee abandon the TIA. He reported that there are too many issues of liability and insurability. Marketers are resigned to replacement of their legacy dispensing systems and authorities having jurisdiction are insisting on listed equipment.

8. Report on Comments (ROC). The Technical Committee reviewed and acted on all public comments to

the Report on Proposals (ROP) on NFPA 30A and drafted one Committee Comment to revise Figure 8.3.2. Action Item: The Staff Liaison was directed to circulate the ROC to the Technical Committee for letter ballot.

9. Recent Correspondence. The Technical Committee reviewed all recent correspondence and

determined that no action was necessary. 10. Review of Previous Correspondence. The Technical Committee reviewed correspondence that was

deferred from prior meetings.


Action Item: Where directed, the Staff Liaison will ask the submitters of the inquiries to submit proposals to be considered at the next revision cycle for NFPA 30A.

11. Other Old Business. The Technical Committee discussed the issue of static electricity hazards during

marine fueling and determined that there was no issue. 12. There was no New Business requiring the Technical Committee’s attention. 13. Scheduling of the next Technical Committee meeting was postponed until after adoption of the 2012

edition of NFPA 30A. 14. The meeting was adjourned at 4:15 PM.


ATTACHMENT № M1

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON

MOTOR FUEL DISPENSING AND AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR FACILITIES

SCOPE STATEMENT

This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on safeguarding against the fire and explosion hazards associated with the general storage, handling, and dispensing of flammable and combustible liquids and gaseous fuels at motor fuel dispensing facilities automotive and marine service stations, farms, and isolated construction sites and with related activities, such as operation, inspection, maintenance, and repair of fuel dispensing and storage system components gaseous fuels. This Committee shall also have primary responsibility for documents on construction, control of fire hazards, ventilation, fire protection, and maintenance of automotive repair facilities garages. This Committee shall have responsibility for the dispensing of gaseous fuels only at facilities where liquid fuels are also dispensed. Responsible for NFPA 30A, Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages.


ATTACHMENT № M2

GUIDELINES TO CLASSIFICATION OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS

These Guidelines are for use by the Standards Council and the staff to assist in com plying with 3.2.5 of the Regulations Governing Committee Projects. The following classifications apply to Committee members and represent their principal interest in the activity of the Committee. 1. M Manufacturer: A representative of a maker or marketer of a product, assembly, or system, or portion thereof, that is affected by the standard. 2. U User: A representative of an entity that is subject to the provisions of the standard or that voluntarily uses the standard. 3. I/M Installer/Maintainer: A representative of an entity that is in the business of installing or maintaining a product, assembly, or system affected by the standard. 4. L Labor: A labor representative or employee concerned with safety in the work place. 5. R/T Applied Research/Testing Laboratory: A representative of an independent testing laboratory or independent applied research organization that promulgates and/or enforces standards. 6. E Enforcing Authority: A representative of an agency or an organization that promulgates and/or enforces standards. 7. I Insurance: A representative of an insurance company, broker, agent, bureau, or inspection agency. 8. C Consumer: A person who is or represents the ultimate purchaser of a product, system, or service affected by the standard, but who is not included in (2). 9. SE Special Expert: A person not representing (1) through (8), and who has special expertise in the scope of the standard or portion thereof. NOTE 1: “Standard” connotes code, standard, recommended practice, or guide. NOTE 2: A representative includes an employee. NOTE 3: While these classifications will be used by the Standards Council to achieve a balance for Technical Committees, the Standards Council may determine that new classifications of member or unique interests need representation in order to foster the best possible Committee deliberations on any project. In this connection, the Standards Council may make such appointments as it deems appropriate in the public interest, such as the classification of “Utilities” in the National Electrical Code Committee. NOTE 4: Representatives of subsidiaries of any group are generally considered to have the same classification as the parent organization. Approved Standards Council : November 1981; Revised October 1990 Approved Board of Directors: June 1997

AUV Scope Statement & Member Balance.doc - 6/29/2012

ATTACHMENT № A3


SCOPE STATEMENT

This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on safeguarding against the fire and explosion hazards associated with the general storage, handling, and dispensing of flammable and combustible liquids at automotive and marine service stations, farms, and isolated construction sites and with related activities, such as dispensing gaseous fuels. This committee shall also have primary responsibility for documents on construction, control of fire hazards, ventilation, fire protection, and maintenance of repair garages. Responsible for NFPA 30A, Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages.

COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP BALANCE

Members: 28 M: 9 (32%)* U: 5 (18%)** Voting Alternates: 0 I/M: 5 (18%)*** L/C: 0 Alternates: 5 R/T: 2 (7%) E: 3 (11%)

Non-Voting: 2 I: 1 (4%) SE: 3 (11%) Emeritus 1

Task Group: 0 Hold List: 0 Balance: OK *(CNG dispensing equipment: 1 fire suppression equipment: 2

liquid fuel dispensing equipment: 4 LNG dispensing equipment: 1 fuel storage tanks: 1) **(fleet operators: 1 lube-only/repair facilities: 1 marine facilities: 1 retail: 2) ***(CNG dispensing/storage systems: 1 fire suppression systems: 1

liquid fuel dispensing systems: 1 LPG dispensing systems: 1 marine fuel dispensing systems: 1

2014 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE *Public Input Dates may vary according to documents and schedules for Revision Cycles may change. Please check the NFPA Website for the most up‐to‐date information on Public Input Closing Dates and schedules at

www.nfpa.org/document # (i.e. www.nfpa.org/101) and click on the Next Edition tab

Process Stage

Process Step

Dates for TC

Dates forTC with

CC Public Input Closing Date* 6/22/2012 6/22/2012 Final Date for TC First Draft Meeting 11/30/2012 8/31/2012

Public Input Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot 1/18/2013 10/12/2012 Stage Final date for Receipt of TC First Draft ballot 2/8/2013 11/2/2012

(First Draft) Final date for Receipt of TC First Draft ballot ‐ recirc 2/15/2013 11/9/2012 Posting of First Draft for CC Meeting 11/16/2012 Final date for CC First Draft Meeting 12/28/2012 Posting of First Draft and CC Ballot 1/18/2013 Final date for Receipt of CC First Draft ballot 2/8/2013 Final date for Receipt of CC First Draft ballot ‐ recirc 2/15/2013 Post Final First Draft for Public Comment 2/22/2013 2/22/2013

Public Comment closing date 5/3/2013 5/3/2013 Final Date to Publish Notice of Consent Documents (Documents that

received no Comments) 5/10/2013 5/10/2013

Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents (Documents that received no Comments)

5/24/2013 5/24/2013

Final date for TC Second Draft Meeting 10/18/2013 7/12/2013 Comment Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot 11/29/2013 8/23/2013 Stage Final date for Receipt of TC Second Draft ballot 12/20/2013 9/13/2013

(Second Final date for receipt of TC Second Draft ballot ‐ recirc 12/27/2013 9/20/2013 Draft) Posting of Second Draft for CC Meeting 9/27/2013

Final date for CC Second Draft Meeting 11/8/2013 Posting of Second Draft for CC Ballot 11/29/2013 Final date for Receipt of CC Second Draft ballot 12/20/2013 Final date for Receipt of CC Second Draft ballot ‐ recirc 12/27/2013 Post Final Second Draft for NITMAM Review 1/3/2014 1/3/2014

Tech Session Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date 2/7/2014 2/7/2014 Preparation Posting of Certified Amending Motions (CAMs) and Consent

Documents 4/4/2014 4/4/2014

(& Issuance) Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents 4/18/2014 4/18/2014 SC Issuance Date for Consent Documents 5/9/2014 5/9/2014

Tech Session Association Meeting for Documents with CAMs 6/9‐12/2014 6/9‐12/2014

Appeals and Appeal Closing Date for Documents with CAMs 6/24/2014 6/24/2014 Issuance Council Issuance Date for Documents with CAMs 8/14/2014 8/14/2014


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7 9.7.9.4- ( ):30A- AUV-AAA ActiveA2014 PI #8



10 D.1.2.6- ( ):30A- AUV-AAA ActiveA2014 PI #3

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12 A.12.3.3- ( ):30A- AUV-AAA ActiveA2014 PI #10

13 6.2.3 and 6.2.4 (New)- ( ):30A- AUV-AAA ActiveA2014 PI #11



16 6.3.11 (New)- ( ):30A- AUV-AAA ActiveA2014 PI #14






22 9.2.5.4.1 and 9.2.5.4.2 (New)- ( ):30A- AUV-AAA ActiveA2014 PI #26

23 - ( ):30A- AUV-AAA ActiveA2014 PI #19

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4 1.1.3- ( ):30A- AUV-AAA ActiveA2014 PI#19 2.3.3- ( ):30A- AUV-AAA ActiveA2014 PI #2

13 6.2.3 and 6.2.4 (New)- ( ):30A- AUV-AAA ActiveA2014 PI #11



16 6.3.11 (New)- ( ):30A- AUV-AAA ActiveA2014 PI #14




22 9.2.5.4.1 and 9.2.5.4.2 (New)- ( ):30A- AUV-AAA ActiveA2014 PI #26










8a 12.3.4 (New)- ( ):30A- AUV-AAA ActiveA2014 PI #5



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Report on Proposals – June 2014 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log #1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Michael W. Mackey, General Physics Corporation

Dispensing devices for CNG, LNG, and LP-Gas shall be listed.Already required in NFPA 52.

1Printed on 10/16/2012



Revise text to read as follows:Aboveground tanks storing CNG, LNG, or LP GAS; shall be separated from each other by at least 6 m (20 ft) and from

dispensing devices that dispense liquid or gaseous motor fuels by at least 15 m (50 ft). CNG, LNG, LP Gas, anddispensing devises that dispense liquid motor fuels shall be rated for the electrical classification of all fuels on site. Aspill of one type of motor fuel shall not be allowed to flow into the storage area of another type of motor fuel.

...None given.




Revise text to read as follows:Aboveground storage tanks for the storage of CNG, LNG, or LP-Gas shall be provided with physical protection in

accordance with Section 4.3.7. Aboveground storage tanks for the storage of CNG and LNG shall be provided withphysical protection in accordance with NFPA 52.

LNG and CNG storage protection requirements are covered in NFPA 52. LNG secondary containmentrequirements are stated in NFPA 52.



_______________________________________________________________________________________________Dan Frank, Argus Consulting, Inc.

Add new text to read as follows:This code shall not apply to aircraft fuel dispensing facilities.

NFPA 30A is commonly referenced , in my opinion, incorrectly, by local fire code officials for aircraftfuel dispensing in addition to or in place of NFPA 407 which covers aircraft dispensing design and operation. Addition ofthis text would clarify the intent of the code to not include aircraft fuel servicing and dispensing directly into aircraft.



_______________________________________________________________________________________________Arthur Londensky, Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

Revise text to read as follows:Smoking materials, including matches and lighters, smoke material waste receptacles,

shall not be used within 6 m (20 ft) of areas used for fueling, servicing fuel systems of internal combustion engines, orreceiving or dispensing of Class I and Class II liquids. The motors of all equipment being fueled shall be shut off duringthe fueling operation except for emergency generators, pumps, and so forth, where continuing operation is essential.

Smoking material waste receptacles should not be permitted in the area of fueling operations.Members of the NERFCDC have experienced fires in areas where smoking material waste receptacles were placed inthe area of fueling. Smoking material waste receptacles are a source of ignition.




Revise text to read as follows:The primary responsibility of the attendant shall be as follows:.....

The additional of primary is to further clarify that the attendant is there to perform the duties in 9.4.3.1and other duties are secondary. It appears the role of the attendant continues to be other than an attendant to providesafe fueling.




Revise text to read as follows:Metal lockers shall be Where lockers are provided for employees’ clothes, they shall be constructed of metal.

Although it is valid to require lockers to be made of non-combustible materials, some proprietors maychoose to not provide lockers for employees. As currently worded it sounds like they are required to provide lockers.



_______________________________________________________________________________________________Rufus Youngblood, Ferrellgas LP

Revise text to read as follows:Aboveground tanks storing CNG, and LNG, or LP-Gas shall be separated from each other by at least 6 m (20 ft)

and from dispensing devices that dispense liquid or gaseous motor vehicle fuels by at least 15 m (50 ft).The 50 ft requirement in NFPA 30A is too restrictive. Some commercial lots do not have the size to

accommodate this distance. Additionally, Annex A in NFPA 30A indicates that the 50-foot requirement was decidedupon arbitrarily:

The selection of the 15 m (50 ft) separation distance for gaseous fuels is based on the existing separationrequirements prescribed in this code. No technical data were available to support different separation distances, and the15 m (50 ft) distance was considered reasonable and conservative, based on the information available to the technicalcommittee at the time.Based on the information in A.12.3.3 and in view of the requirements in NFPA 58 - 8.4.1.1(3), which specifies

separation distances between LP-Gas containers and dispensing devices for other liquid or gaseous fuels, the distancesin Table 12.3.4 are being proposed.NFPA 58 – 8.4.1.1(3) allows cylinders awaiting use or resale to be stored at least 20 ft from any automotive service

station fuel dispenser. If that logic is followed, it would be reasonable to say that the distances in NFPA 58 – 8.4.1.2would be sufficient for other quantities. The proposed table 12.3.4 is based on those quantities and distances.Example 1: 1000 gals of LP-Gas weighs 4240 lbs. Table 8.4.1.2 allows a 10 ft horizontal separation distance to

exposures.Example 2: 2000 gals of LP-Gas weighs 8480 lbs. Table 8.4.1.2 allows a 20 ft horizontal separation distance to

exposures.This substantiation is based on quantities in cylinders, and then transferring those quantities to ASME containers,

which may present some questions. It could be argued that radiant heat from a fire or even direct impingement wouldhave less effect on an ASME container than it would on cylinders - especially aluminum cylinders.In addition, published research¹ is available that supports the distances in Table 12.3.4. The research project modeledsteel propane containers of the sizes referred to in Table 12.3.4 that were exposed to a severe petroleum pool fire 100feet in diameter for a duration of 30 minutes. The results of the modeling indicated that the temperatures of thecontainer walls were well below the temperature at which steel begins to yield.

¹Journal of Hazardous Materials, “Exposure of a liquefied gas container to an external fire” by Phani K. Raj. Published:April 2006



_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F. Bender, UL LLC

Revise text as follows:Underwriters Laboratories Inc., 333 Pfingsten Road, Northbrook, IL 60062-2096.

ANSI/UL 79, Standard for Power-Operated Pumps for Petroleum Dispensing Products, 2005, Revised 2010.UL 87, Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products, 2001, Revised 2008.UL Subject 87A, Outline of Investigation for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol

Blends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0-E85), 2010.ANSI/UL 330, Standard for Hose and Hose Assemblies for Dispensing Flammable Liquids, 2009, Revised 2011.ANSI/UL 567, Standard for Emergency Breakaway Fittings, Swivel Connectors and Pipe-Connection Fittings for

Petroleum Products and LP-Gas, 2003, Revised 2011.ANSI/UL 842, Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids, 2007, Revised 2010 2011.UL 2080, Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, 2000.ANSI/UL 2085, Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, 1997, Revised

2010.UL 2245, Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks, 2006.ANSI/UL 2586, Standard for Hose Nozzle Valves, 2011, Revised 2012

Add reference to ANSI/UL 79, UL Subject 87A, ANSI/UL 330, ANSI/UL 567 and ANSI/UL 2586 asreferenced in proposed revisions to Sections 6.2.3, 6.2.4(new), 6.6.1 and 6.3.10. Update ANSI/UL 842 to most recentedition as indicated.




Revise text as follows:Underwriters Laboratories Inc., 333 Pfingsten Road, Northbrook, IL 60062-2096.

ANSI/UL 2085, , 1997, RevisedDecember 1999 2010.

Update referenced standard to most recent edition as indicated.

10Printed on 10/16/2012

Report on Proposals – June 2014 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log #8a

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Rufus Youngblood, Ferrellgas LP

Add new text to read as follows:Aboveground containers storing LP Gas shall be separated from dispensing devices that dispense liquid or

gaseous motor vehicle fuels in accordance with Table 12.3.4.

*****Insert 30A_L8_Tbl 12.3.4_Rec Here*****

The 50 ft requirement in NFPA 30A is too restrictive. Some commercial lots do not have the size toaccommodate this distance. Additionally, Annex A in NFPA 30A indicates that the 50-foot requirement was decidedupon arbitrarily:

The selection of the 15 m (50 ft) separation distance for gaseous fuels is based on the existing separationrequirements prescribed in this code. No technical data were available to support different separation distances, and the15 m (50 ft) distance was considered reasonable and conservative, based on the information available to the technicalcommittee at the time.Based on the information in A.12.3.3 and in view of the requirements in NFPA 58 - 8.4.1.1(3), which specifies

separation distances between LP-Gas containers and dispensing devices for other liquid or gaseous fuels, the distancesin Table 12.3.4 are being proposed.NFPA 58 – 8.4.1.1(3) allows cylinders awaiting use or resale to be stored at least 20 ft from any automotive service

station fuel dispenser. If that logic is followed, it would be reasonable to say that the distances in NFPA 58 – 8.4.1.2would be sufficient for other quantities. The proposed table 12.3.4 is based on those quantities and distances.Example 1: 1000 gals of LP-Gas weighs 4240 lbs. Table 8.4.1.2 allows a 10 ft horizontal separation distance to

exposures.Example 2: 2000 gals of LP-Gas weighs 8480 lbs. Table 8.4.1.2 allows a 20 ft horizontal separation distance to

exposures.This substantiation is based on quantities in cylinders, and then transferring those quantities to ASME containers,

which may present some questions. It could be argued that radiant heat from a fire or even direct impingement wouldhave less effect on an ASME container than it would on cylinders - especially aluminum cylinders.In addition, published research¹ is available that supports the distances in Table 12.3.4. The research project modeledsteel propane containers of the sizes referred to in Table 12.3.4 that were exposed to a severe petroleum pool fire 100feet in diameter for a duration of 30 minutes. The results of the modeling indicated that the temperatures of thecontainer walls were well below the temperature at which steel begins to yield.

¹Journal of Hazardous Materials, “Exposure of a liquefied gas container to an external fire” by Phani K. Raj. Published:April 2006

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30A/L8/Tbl 12.3.4/A2014/ROP

Table 12.3.4

Water Capacity per Container Minimum Distance

gal m³ ft m

0 - 1000 0 – 3.8 10 3

1001 - 2000 >3.8 – 7.57 20 6

≥2001 >7.57 50 15


_______________________________________________________________________________________________Douglas B. Horne, Clean Vehicle Education Foundation

Revise text to read as follows:1 * Aboveground tanks storing CNG, or LNG, or LP-Gas shall be separated from each other aboveground tanks

containing liquid motor vehicle fuels-by at least 6 m (20 ft) and from dispensing devices that dispense liquid or gaseousmotor vehicle fuels by at least 15 3m (5010 ft).Exception No. 1: This required separation shall not apply to tanks storing fuels that have the same chemical

composition.Exception No. 2: When both the gaseous fuel storage and dispensing equipment are at least 15m(50 ft) from any other

aboveground motor fuel storage or dispensing equipment, the requirements of NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous FuelSystems Code, or NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, whichever is applicable, shall apply.

The existing section 12.3.3 did not take into account the actual properties of the gaseous fuels, northe existing requirements of the LNG station design when determining the relative hazards between liquid fuel systemsand gaseous fuel systems. This was noted in the annex statement A.12.3.3 when it was stated that there was limitedinformation available to the technical committee at the time of drafting the requirements. The proposed 3m (10 ft)separation distance is based on section 6.2.1 of 30A-2012 which allows dispensers within 3m (10 ft) of property lines orbuildings, thus indication the the hazard recognized is acceptable at a 3m (10 ft) separation distance. The changes tothe language as proposed provide new separation distance based on years of experience by the industry and theunderstanding of the hazards by the NFPA 52 technical committee when developing separation distances. See NFPA52 – 2010 section 8.4.2.7 for the separation between CNG storage and liquid motor vehicle fuel storage and NFPA 52 –2010 section 12.2.3 that covers spill containment for LNG storage. The language covering LPG should be revised by the30A TC but placed in a separate section since LPG has a specific gravity greater than 1.0 and does not dissipate in airas does CNG and therefore creates a different hazard to the station.

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_______________________________________________________________________________________________Douglas B. Horne, Clean Vehicle Education Foundation

Revise text to read as follows:The selection of the 153m(5010 ft) separation distance for gaseous fuels is based on the existing separation

requirements prescribed in this code section 6.2.1. Also this distance is based on an understanding of the actualhazards associated with the design of CNG and LNG storage systems. LNG storage is separated from any dispensingequipment by spill containment system and CNG has a specific gravity of less than 1.0 and dissipates in air.No technical data were available to support different separation distances, and the 15 m (50 ft) distance was

considered reasonable and conservative, based on the information available to the technical committee at the time.The existing section 12.3.3 did not take into account the actual properties of the gaseous fuels, nor

the existing requirements of the LNG station design when determining the relative hazards between liquid fuel systemsand gaseous fuel systems. This was noted in the annex statement A.12.3.3 when it was stated that there was limitedinformation available to the technical committee at the time of drafting the requirements. The proposed 3m (10 ft)separation distance is based on section 6.2.1 of 30A-2012 which allows dispensers within 3m (10 ft) of property lines orbuildings, thus indication the the hazard recognized is acceptable at a 3m (10 ft) separation distance. The changes tothe language as proposed provide new separation distance based on years of experience by the industry and theunderstanding of the hazards by the NFPA 52 technical committee when developing separation distances. See NFPA52 – 2010 section 8.4.2.7 for the separation between CNG storage and liquid motor vehicle fuel storage and NFPA 52 –2010 section 12.2.3 that covers spill containment for LNG storage. The language covering LPG should be revised by the30A TC but placed in a separate section since LPG has a specific gravity greater than 1.0 and does not dissipate in airas does CNG and therefore creates a different hazard to the station.

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Fuel dispensing systems, including dispensers, hoses, nozzles, breakaway fittings, swivels, flexible connectors,dispenser emergency shutoff valves, vapor recovery systems, and pumps that are used for alcohol-blended motor fuelsshall be listed and labeled in accordance with ANSI/UL 79

; UL 87, ; UL Subject 87A,

; ANSI/UL 330,; ANSI/UL 567,

; or ANSI/UL 842,or approved for the specific purpose.

Add reference to ANSI/UL 79, UL 87, UL Subject 87A, ANSI/UL 330, ANSI/UL 567 and ANSI/UL 842as the appropriate product safety standard for testing and listing these types of devices, respectively. With manyproducts now being listed to handle "Ethanol" blended fuels, these standards are critical to ensure that these productsare reviewed and tested to provide the protection for handling flammable/combustible liquids and ethanol based fuels.UL 87 shall be required for all flammable and combustible liquid dispensing. Additional review is needed if theflammable and combustible liquids contain ethanol-blends and shall be reviewed and tested to UL Subject 87A.

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Products intended for use with gasoline/ethanol blends with a nominal ethanol concentration greater than 10%shall be additionally evaluated in accordance with UL Subject 87A,

.Add reference to ANSI/UL 79, UL 87, UL Subject 87A, ANSI/UL 330, ANSI/UL 567 and ANSI/UL 842

as the appropriate product safety standard for testing and listing these types of devices, respectively. With manyproducts now being listed to handle "Ethanol" blended fuels, these standards are critical to ensure that these productsare reviewed and tested to provide the protection for handling flammable/combustible liquids and ethanol based fuels.UL 87 shall be required for all flammable and combustible liquid dispensing. Additional review is needed if theflammable and combustible liquids contain ethanol-blends and shall be reviewed and tested to UL Subject 87A.

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Revise/add text as follows:Where a suction-type dispensing system includes a booster pump or where a suction-type dispensing system is

supplied by a tank in a manner that produces a gravity head on the dispensing device, a listed, vacuum-actuated shutoffvalve with a shear section or equivalent-type valve, listed and labeled in accordance with UL 842,

, shall be installed directly under the dispensing device.Include reference to ANSI/UL 842 as this is a new standard designed to cover and certify these

specific type valves.

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Add new text to read as follows:A vacuum-actuated shutoff valve with a shear-section or equivalent type valve that is used with alcohol-blended

fuels shall be listed and labeled to UL Subject 87A,.

UL Subject 87A is the appropriate product safety standard for testing and listing shut-off valvescovered in this section that are exposed to alcohol-blended fuels.

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Revise text to read as follows:An automatic closing–type hose nozzle valve, with a latch open device, and listed and labeled in accordance with

ANSI/UL 842, and ANSI/UL , shall beprovided on island-type dispensing devices used to dispense Class I or Class II liquids.

Replace reference to ANSI/UL 842 with ANSI/UL 2586 since flammable and combustible liquid onlyhose nozzle valves are now investigated under ANSI/UL 2586. With the addition of the new standard on hose nozzlevalves, ANSI/UL 2586, ANSI/UL 842 will only be used to evaluate shear or ball valves as referenced in Section 6.6.

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_______________________________________________________________________________________________J. R. Nerat, Badger/Kidde Fire Protection / Rep. NFPA Industrial Section representitive on NFPA 10

Revise text to read as follows:Each motor fuel dispensing facility or repair garage shall be provided with fire

extinguishers installed, inspected and maintained as required by NFPA-10 .Selection of extinguishers for the protection of these Class B hazards shall be in accordance with NFPA-10 Section 5.5recommendations. Extinguishers for outside motor fuel dispensing areas shall be provided according to the extra (high)hazard requirements for Class B hazards, except that the maximum travel distance to an 80 B:C extinguisher shall bepermitted to be 30.48 m (100 ft).

Fire extinguishers for outside motor fuel dispensing areas shall be provided so the maximum travel distanceto the extinguisher shall not exceed 30.48 m (100 ft).

These revisions are necessary to further clarify the existing NFPA-10 fire extinguisher selectionrecommendations for properly addressing specific Class B fire hazards. The standards existing selection reference toNFPA-10’s extra (high) hazard occupancy only addresses general occupancy recommendations for potential open spillfire related conditions and not the obstacle, gravity three-dimensional or pressure fire situations more likely to bepresented with fuel handling and transfer situations. Back in 2007 the NFPA-10 committee specifically addressed theselection of fire extinguishers for special Class B types of fire situations separately within Section 5.5.Extinguishers models having higher agent flow rates have historically always addressed these types of fire situations

better than extinguisher models with higher numerical fire ratings, which in contrast require and dictate extendeddischarge durations. Current NFPA-10 fire extinguisher recommendations for such hazards are based upon drychemical models having minimum agent capacities of 10 pounds and agent discharge flow rates of 1 lb/sec (0.45kg/sec) or greater. The high-flow 10 and 20 pound types of fire extinguisher models typically also carry reducednumerical Class B fire ratings of only 20B and 40B respectively. For this reason, the existing NFPA-30A standards 80B:C rating reference needs to be removed or reduced accordingly.The proposed new paragraph 9.2.5.2.1 attempts to maintain the committees existing desired coverage and maximum

extinguisher travel distance recommendation for outside motor fuel dispensing areas. ()

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_______________________________________________________________________________________________J. R. Nerat, Badger/Kidde Fire Protection / Rep. NFPA Industrial Section representitive on NFPA 10

Revise text to read as follows:Each marine motor fuel dispensing facility shall be provided with fire extinguishers installed, inspected and

maintained as required by NFPA-10 . Selection of extinguishers for theprotection of these Class B hazards shall be in accordance with NFPA-10 Section 5.5 recommendations. Extinguishersfor marine motor fuel dispensing areas shall be provided according to the extra (high) hazard requirements for Class Bhazards, except that the maximum travel distance to an 80 B:C extinguisher shall be permitted to be 30.48 m (100 ft).

Fire extinguishers for marine motor fuel dispensing areas shall be provided so the maximum travel distanceto the extinguisher shall not exceed 30.48 m (100 ft).

These revisions are necessary to further clarify the existing NFPA-10 fire extinguisher selectionrecommendations for properly addressing specific Class B fire hazards. The standards existing selection reference toNFPA-10’s extra (high) hazard occupancy only addresses general occupancy recommendations for potential open spillfire related conditions and not the obstacle, gravity three-dimensional or pressure fire situations more likely to bepresented with fuel handling and transfer situations. Back in 2007 the NFPA-10 committee specifically addressed theselection of fire extinguishers for special Class B types of fire situations separately within Section 5.5.Extinguishers models having higher agent flow rates have historically always addressed these types of fire situations

better than extinguisher models with higher numerical fire ratings, which in contrast require and dictate extendeddischarge durations. Current NFPA-10 fire extinguisher recommendations for such hazards are based upon drychemical models having minimum agent capacities of 10 pounds and agent discharge flow rates of 1 lb/sec (0.45kg/sec) or greater. The high-flow 10 and 20 pound types of fire extinguisher models typically also have reducednumerical Class B fire ratings of only 20B and 40B respectively. For this reason, the existing NFPA-30A standards 80B:C rating reference needs to be removed or reduced accordingly.The proposed new paragraph 11.7.1.1 attempts to maintain the committees existing maximum extinguisher travel

distance recommendation for marine motor fuel dispensing areas. ()

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_______________________________________________________________________________________________David Dixon, NorthStar, Inc.

Revise text to read as follows:Aboveground tanks storing CNG, LNG, or LP-Gas shall be separated from each other by at least 6 m (20 ft)

as required by NFPA 52 and from dispensing devices that dispense liquid or gaseous motor vehicle fuels by at least 153 m (5010 ft).

The existing Section 12.3.3 was based on limited information as noted in Annex A.12.3.3. It did nottake into account the requirements of NFPA 52 – 2010 Sections 8.4.2.7 and 12.2.3 for LNG station designs relative tohazards between LNG systems and gaseous fuel systems. The proposed 3m (10 ft) separation distance is based onSection 6.2.1 of 30A-2012 which allows dispensers within 3m (10 ft) of property lines or buildings, thus indication thatthe hazard recognized is acceptable at a closer distance. Facilities storing LNG or CNG and dispensing motor fuels ofdifferent chemical compositions in close proximity to each other should have a common emergency shutdown (ESD)system for the entire station as a common industry standard. The requirements covering LPG should be addressedseparately from LNG and CNG since LPG has a specific gravity greater than 1.0 and has different dissipationcharacteristics in air than CNG and LNG.

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_______________________________________________________________________________________________David Dixon, NorthStar, Inc.

Revise text to read as follows:The selection of the 153m(5010 ft) separation distance for gaseous fuels is based on the existing separation

requirements prescribed in this code. This separation distance is based on the setbacks and hazards of LNG and CNGfueling as specified in NFPA 52 and in NFPA 30A para. 6.2.1. No technical data were available to support differentseparation distances, and the 15 m (50 ft) distance was considered reasonable and conservative, based on theinformation available to the technical committee at the time.

The existing Section 12.3.3 was based on limited information as noted in Annex A.12.3.3. It did nottake into account the requirements of NFPA 52 – 2010 Sections 8.4.2.7 and 12.2.3 for LNG station designs relative tohazards between LNG systems and gaseous fuel systems. The proposed 3m (10 ft) separation distance is based onSection 6.2.1 of 30A-2012 which allows dispensers within 3m (10 ft) of property lines or buildings, thus indication thatthe hazard recognized is acceptable at a closer distance. Facilities storing LNG or CNG and dispensing motor fuels ofdifferent chemical compositions in close proximity to each other should have a common emergency shutdown (ESD)system for the entire station as a common industry standard. The requirements covering LPG should be addressedseparately from LNG and CNG since LPG has a specific gravity greater than 1.0 and has different dissipationcharacteristics in air than CNG and LNG.

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_______________________________________________________________________________________________Gregory J. Cahanin, Cahanin Fire & Code Consulting

Add new text to read as follows:Lettering for warnings listed in 9.2.5.4 shall be a minimum of 1/2-inch high.International symbols (below) shall also be used for each warning and shall be a minimum of 1 ¼-inches in

height.

(I could not edit the Leave Electronic Devices in Vehicles out of the photo- it is not my intent to include it in thischange.)

INSERT FIGURE 30A_L22 (PI #26) Rec

INCLUDE 30A_L22 (PI #26) Sub

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30A_L22 (PI #26) Rec

The Issue:

Fire Prevention Code Requires Consumer Waning Signage at Gas Station Pumps.

9.2.5.4* Signs. Warning signs shall be conspicuously posted in the dispensing area and shall

incorporate the following or equivalent wording:

WARNING

It is unlawful and dangerous to dispense gasoline into unapproved containers.

No smoking.

Stop motor.

No filling of portable containers in or on a motor vehicle.

Place container on ground before filling.

Discharge your static electricity before fueling by touching a metal surface away from the nozzle.

Do not re-enter your vehicle while gasoline is pumping.

If a fire starts, do not remove nozzle — back away immediately.

Do not allow individuals under licensed age to use the pump.

The signage provided at gas stations is not consistent as demonstrated by the photos that follow. The letter of

the law often results in signage that is inconspicuous and does not serve the consumer. There is no requirement

in the law to use international symbols which would be helpful to those who do not read or speak and read

another language. Miami-Dade County Florida claims 5 different languages although signage there is only

required to be in English. Nationally there is a need for international symbols for gas stations signage. The sign

lettering size needs to be defined so that it is easily read.

I surveyed and photographed 43 different gas station/convenience stores within a 5 mile area as a part of a

Miami case I was involved in and found a myriad of different signs with the examples attached in this proposal.

The case has settled and I no longer have a client interest and wish to work to help insure that the public is

better informed. The photographs show large signs that say only approved containers shall be used when the

general public can’t know what approved means. One sign said only metal containers may be used when most

people buy approved and listed plastic cans. Some signs are obscured by the pump advertising for the

convenience store. Some signs are large and use international symbols mounted on the island post instead of the

pump and served as a basis for the proposed change. It is these large signs with international symbols used by

several major petroleum manufacturers that should be adopted in the Fire Code and NFPA 30A. I have

submitted the same change for NFPA 1.

We require signage with letters of a certain size for other fire safety functions, but not on gas pumps. A

revision of Section 9.2.5.4 is in order as proposed. The letter and symbol sizing are taken from existing signage

now used by several major petroleum manufacturers.

30A_L22 (PI #26) Sub

Current Signage at Gas Stations and Convenience Stores

1. This sign says no unauthorized containers- what does the consumer know about them?

2. This sign says no non-metal containers yet we have UL listed plastic gas cans in use throughout the state.

30A_L22 (PI #26) Sub

3. This sign is smaller than the palm of your hand and only in English. It’s often on the inside of the pump

marquee where it’s hardest to read.

4. This sign is on the side of the pump, but again about the size of the palm of your hand.

30A_L22 (PI #26) Sub

5. Find the warning sign while standing on the ground- it’s almost hidden.

6. The ATM and pay signs are larger than the multiple warning here.

30A_L22 (PI #26) Sub

7. This is a Shell sign on the island post that includes international symbols for better understanding and some

larger type with the detailed warnings.

8. The detail of the shell sign says no cell phones- not a NFPA 1 requirement The unapproved container symbol

says portable containers are OK, but doesn’t communicate that they should be on the ground.

30A_L22 (PI #26) Sub

9. This Chevron Sign is large and the symbol used is clear for gas cans.

30A_L22 (PI #26) Sub

10. The detail of the Chevron International Symbol says clearly no filling in vehicle versus the Shell sign that

says portable containers are OK Only. The Chevron sign fails to say use approved containers only.


_______________________________________________________________________________________________Douglas B. Horne, DBHorne LLC

Revise text to read: 8.2.1* In major repair garages where CNG vehicles are repaired or stored, the area within 455 mm (18 in.) of the

ceiling, if subjected to ignitible concentrations of gas, shall be designated a Class I, Division 2 hazardous (classified)location.

The storage or parking of CNG vehicles pose no additional hazard when compared to liquid fuelvehicles. The CNG fuel systems are completely closed systems and are not designed to vent natural gas except in theevent of a significant fire in order to protect the on-board fuel storage cylinders.As stated in the Annex A 8.2.1 it was assumed the hazard that this requirement was designed to address was the

release on 150% of the volume of the largest CNG tank.This was considered to be a valid hazard in the 1990's since there were several occurrences of premature releases

from cylinder mounted pressure relief devices (PRDs) which involved the full contents of the cylinder. There were anumber reasons for those releases and all have all been addressed by industry and resolved. There has not been apremature release by a PRD since 1999. The industry is now reviewing industry operations to determine what wouldconstitute a credible release of natural gas in a major repair facility. With the wide use of cylinder mounted normallyclosed solenoid valves tied to the ignition switch the release of gas from a fuel cylinder is eliminated in normaloperations. The highest probability of release would be the opening of a fuel line fitting by a technician without properlyventing the lines. In this case the total amount of gas released would be less than 150 cf. This amount of gas woulddisperse in the air and would not normally constitute a ignitable concentration of gas. Documentation of the researchbeing done will be made available as needed.

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From: Mark HilbertTo: Benedetti, BobSubject: RE: NFPA 30ADate: Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:47:35 PMAttachments: NFPA 30A Section 6 7-Draft Revision.doc

Hello Bob, I hope all is well with you. Sorry I haven’t contacted you sooner. I have put a draft together of what I thought might work for the revision of 6.7. However, I do have a couple of questions. I was not really sure about the exception for intrinsically safe circuits. The NEC does not have this exception so I may not have placed it in the right location or perhaps it should be thereat all. The other question I had was related to the “not being closer than 20 ft. to the dispenser with the disconnect.” If I am reading it correctly, as currently written in 30A, the “notcloser than 20 ft.” applies to both attended and unattended sites. In the NEC it is only included in the unattended language. It seems to me there are locations where there is a smallcubical one of the islands where the attendant stays. It appears this would not be a conflict with the NEC but it may conflict with the requirements in 30A. The draft revision I puttogether does not include the “not closer than 20 ft.” in the attended requirements so that may have to change depending on how the task group feels. I am looking forward to your thoughts on this. All the best, Mark From: Benedetti, Bob [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 11:42 AMTo: Hilbert, MarkSubject: NFPA 30A Hi, Mark: I appreciate your willingness to work on the section of 30A dealing with emergency disconnects. Attached is an MSWord document of Section 6.7 of 30A. You’ll note there has already been an attempt at fixing this, but I still am not sure of the intent. Let me know if you need anything else. As we discussed, I will speak to the Technical Committee Chair, Al Ramirez, about a Task Group. Our objective is to (1) clean the language so it is clear as to whatwe expect; (2) provide an explanatory annex, with a few diagrams of examples. It was a pleasure seeing you at NFPA. Bob Benedetti cc --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P. Benedetti, CSP, PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)[email protected] Register today for the most powerful five days of the year for fire and life safety professionalswho want to enhance their code-related knowledge and develop new skills .

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6.7 Emergency Electrical Disconnects.

Fuel dispensing systems shall be provided with one or more clearly identified emergency shutoff devices or electrical disconnects. Resetting from an emergency shutoff condition shall require manual intervention and the manner of resetting shall be approved by the authority having jurisdiction.

Exception: Intrinsically safe electrical equipment need not meet these requirements.

6.7.1 Emergency shutoff devices or electrical disconnects shall be installed in accordance with (1) – (4):

(1) Located in approved locations

(2) Located not more than 30 m (100 ft) from the fuel dispensing devices that they serve

(3) Disconnect power to all dispensing devices; to all remote pumps serving the dispensing devices; to all associated power, control, and signal circuits; and to all other electrical equipment in the hazardous (classified) locations surrounding the fuel dispensing devices

(4) Interconnected when more than one emergency shutoff device or electrical disconnect is provided.

6.7.2 At attended motor fuel dispensing facilities, the shutoff devices or disconnects shall be readily accessible to the attendant.

6.7.3 At unattended motor fuel dispensing facilities, the shutoff devices or disconnects shall be readily accessible to patrons.

6.7.3.1 The shutoff devices or disconnect(s) required by 6.7 shall not be located not less than 6 m (20 ft) from the dispensing devices they serve.

6.7.3.2 At least one additional shutoff device or disconnect to those required by 6.7 shall be readily accessible to each group of dispensing devices on an individual island.

bbenedettiText Box ATTACHMEN No. A6

Attachment № A6

6.7 Emergency Electrical Disconnects.

Fuel dispensing systems shall be provided with one or more clearly identified emergency shutoff devices or electrical disconnects. Resetting from an emergency shutoff condition shall require manual intervention and the manner of resetting shall be approved by the authority having jurisdiction.

Exception: Intrinsically safe electrical equipment need not meet these requirements.

6.7.1 Emergency shutoff devices or electrical disconnects shall be installed in accordance with (1) – (4):

(1) Located in approved locations

(2) Located not more than 30 m (100 ft) from the fuel dispensing devices that they serve

(3) Disconnect power to all dispensing devices; to all remote pumps serving the dispensing devices; to all associated power, control, and signal circuits; and to all other electrical equipment in the hazardous (classified) locations surrounding the fuel dispensing devices

(4) Interconnected when more than one emergency shutoff device or electrical disconnect is provided.

6.7.2 At attended motor fuel dispensing facilities, the shutoff devices or disconnects shall be readily accessible to the attendant.

6.7.3 At unattended motor fuel dispensing facilities, the shutoff devices or disconnects shall be readily accessible to patrons.

6.7.3.1 The shutoff devices or disconnect(s) required by 6.7 shall not be located not less than 6 m (20 ft) from the dispensing devices they serve.

6.7.3.2 At least one additional shutoff device or disconnect to those required by 6.7 shall be readily accessible to each group of dispensing devices on an individual island.

bbenedettiText Box

Wayne Dispensers

• Area to bottom of electronics is hazardous

• Class 1: ignitable vapors can be present some of the time

• Class 2: ignitable vapors are not likely to occur during normal operating conditions


Gilbarco Dispensers

To top of nozzle boot