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AUV.2013-08 Agenda.doc

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

MEMORANDUM

TO: Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations

FROM: R. P. Benedetti

DATE: August 15, 2013

SUBJECT: Agenda for NFPA 30A Second Draft Meeting – August 22, 2013 _________________________________________________________________________________ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Second Draft Meeting of the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations, to be held Thursday, August 22, 2013, at the East Lansing Marriott at University Place, East Lansing MI. If you have additional items for the Agenda, please bring them with you to the meeting. My apologies for the delay in distributing the Agenda. rpb/ cc AUV Meeting Folder AUV/NM ACronin LFuller

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AGENDA

Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations East Lansing Marriott at University Place

East Lansing, MI Thursday, August 22, 2013, 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM

1. Call to Order. 2. Introduction of Attendees. Update of Committee Roster. [Attachment № A1] 3. Approval of Minutes of Last Meeting. [Attachment № A2] 4. Report of Committee Chair. 5. Report of Staff Liaison.

Technical Committee Scope. [Attachment № A3] Technical Committee Membership Status. [Attachment № A3] A2014 Document Revision Schedule. [Attachment № A4]

6. Proposed New Technical Committee Scope Statement. [Attachment № A5] 7. Report of Chapter 12 Task Group. [DHorne] [Attachment № A6] [Full Task Group Report sent via separate email.] 8. Review and Act on Public Comments Received on First Draft Report of NFPA 30A.

[Attachment № A7] [See also Attachment № A8 — Public Inputs from First Draft meeting.] [See also Attachment № A9 — Committee Inputs from First Draft meeting.] [See also Attachment № A10 — First Revisions from First Draft meeting.] 9. Recent Correspondence. [NONE] 10. Other Old Business. [NONE] 11. New Business.

Recommendation to Amend Section 11.3 of NFPA 30A. [PDoyle] [Attachment № A11]

Action Plan for 2018 edition of NFPA 30 – Identify Work Areas. 12. Schedule Next Meeting(s). 13. Adjournment.

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Address List No PhoneAutomotive and Marine Service Stations AUV-AAA

Robert P. Benedetti08/13/2013

AUV-AAA

Alfredo M. Ramirez

ChairUL LLC333 Pfingsten RoadNorthbrook, IL 60062-2096Alternate: Roland A. Riegel

RT 4/15/2004AUV-AAA

Frank G. Biancucci

PrincipalHamilton Fire DepartmentFire Prevention Division55 King William StreetHamilton, ON L8R 1A2 Canada

E 03/05/2012

AUV-AAA

Dennis Boyd

PrincipalBP Corporation NA Inc.1 West Warrenville Road, MC 801-1106Naperville, IL 60563American Petroleum InstituteAlternate: Richard S. Kraus

U 03/07/2013AUV-AAA

Rob Brown

PrincipalHusky Corporation2325 Husky WayPacific, MO 63069Alternate: Keith Weepie

M 8/9/2011

AUV-AAA

Charles A. Burns

PrincipalOscar W. Larson Company10100 Dixie HighwayClarkston, MI 48348

IM 3/4/2009AUV-AAA

Sullivan D. Curran

PrincipalFiberglass Tank & Pipe Institute11150 South Wilcrest Drive, Suite 101Houston, TX 77099-4343Alternate: Patrick A. McLaughlin

M 1/1/1993

AUV-AAA

Nils Deacon

PrincipalMutual Service Office, Inc.1108 Morris AvenuePoint Pleasant, NJ 08742

I 08/09/2012AUV-AAA

Brian C. Donovan

PrincipalSTICO Mutual Insurance Company171 West Wing Street, Suite 208Arlington Heights, IL 60005

I 1/1/1993

AUV-AAA

Paul J. Doyle

PrincipalPetroleum Marine Consultants, LLC13833 Wellington Trace, E4 #207Wellington, FL 33414

IM 10/18/2011AUV-AAA

Thomas K. Drube

PrincipalChart Industries, Inc.407 7th Street NWNew Prague, MN 56071

M 4/3/2003

AUV-AAA

Michael L. Eaves

PrincipalClean Energy3020 Old Ranch Parkway, Suite 400Seal Beach, CA 90740

IM 8/9/2011AUV-AAA

Thomas J. Forsythe

PrincipalHughes Associates, Inc.2551 San Ramon Valley Blvd., Suite 209San Ramon, CA 94583

SE 4/28/2000

AUV-AAA

Fred B. Goodnight

PrincipalAmerex Corporation7595 Gadsden HighwayPO Box 81Trussville, AL 35173-0081Fire Equipment Manufacturers' Association

M 1/1/1988AUV-AAA

John M. Gray

PrincipalOPW Fueling Components9393 Princeton-Glendale RoadHamilton, OH 45011Alternate: Charles A. Sunderhaus

M 10/29/2012

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Curtis N. Harding

PrincipalTyco Fire Suppression & Building ProductsOne Stanton StreetMarinette, WI 54143Alternate: Adam Stewart

M 8/5/2009AUV-AAA

Donald Hausz

PrincipalAll Out Fire Equipment Company, Inc.385 High StreetHolbrook, NY 11741National Association of Fire Equipment Distributors

IM 1/1/1988

AUV-AAA

Douglas B. Horne

PrincipalDBHorne LLC6011 Fords Lake CourtAcworth, GA 30101Clean Vehicle Education FoundationAlternate: John B. Dimmick

M 10/28/2008AUV-AAA

Marshall A. Klein

PrincipalMarshall A. Klein & Associates, Inc.6815 Autumn View DriveEldersburg, MD 21784-6304Automotive Aftermarket Industry AssociationAlternate: Andrew S. Klein

U 1/1/1987

AUV-AAA

Ronald B. Laurence, Jr.

PrincipalStantec Consulting Services, Inc.5 Dartmouth Drive, Suite 101Auburn, NH 03032

SE 8/9/2011AUV-AAA

Thomas J. Marhevko

PrincipalNational Marine Manufacturers Association231 South LaSalle Street, Suite 2050Chicago, IL 60604

U 10/27/2005

AUV-AAA

Randy Moses

PrincipalWayne, A GE Energy Business1000 East Walnut StreetHeritage Campus, Suite 404Perkasie, PA 18944

M 3/1/2011AUV-AAA

David T. Phelan

PrincipalBergenfield Fire Department114 Niagara StreetDumont, NJ 07628

E 03/05/2012

AUV-AAA

Marcia Jo Poxson

PrincipalMichigan Department of Environmental QualityPO Box 30426Lansing, MI 48909-7926Alternate: R. Jeff Tanner

E 10/29/2012AUV-AAA

William E. Rehr

PrincipalInternational Code Council4051 West Flossmoor RoadCountry Club Hills, IL 60478

E 1/1/1987

AUV-AAA

Robert N. Renkes

PrincipalPetroleum Equipment Institute6514 East 69th StreetTulsa, OK 74133

M 1/1/1987AUV-AAA

Jess A. Robbins

PrincipalPlasteel Inc.2541 State Street, Suite 205Carlsbad, CA 92008

M 08/09/2012

AUV-AAA

James R. Rocco

PrincipalSage Risk Solutions, LLC360 Heritage RoadAurora, OH 44202Petroleum Marketers Association of AmericaAlternate: Charles R. Plummer

U 3/21/2006AUV-AAA

Joel E. Sipe

PrincipalExponent, Inc.421 Carl StreetSan Francisco, CA 94117

SE 8/9/2011

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AUV-AAA

Bruce J. Swiecicki

PrincipalNational Propane Gas Association21200 South LaGrange Road, Suite 353Frankfort, IL 60423Alternate: Don Singleton

IM 7/1/1996AUV-AAA

Kevin J. Wolf

PrincipalIntertek Testing Services3933 US Route 11Cortland, NY 13045-9715

RT 8/5/2009

AUV-AAA

John B. Dimmick

AlternateClean Vehicle Education Foundation551W23115 Partridge LaneWaukesha, WI 53189Principal: Douglas B. Horne

M 10/29/2012AUV-AAA

Andrew S. Klein

AlternateMarshall A. Klein & Associates, Inc.2 Rose CourtPasco, WA 99301Automotive Aftermarket Industry AssociationPrincipal: Marshall A. Klein

U 10/29/2012

AUV-AAA

Richard S. Kraus

AlternateAPI/Petroleum Safety Consultants210 East Fairfax Street, Apt. 600Falls Church, VA 22046-2909American Petroleum InstitutePrincipal: Dennis Boyd

U 3/1/2011AUV-AAA

Patrick A. McLaughlin

AlternateMcLaughlin & Associates2070 South Fox Glen WayEagle, ID 83616Fiberglass Tank & Pipe InstitutePrincipal: Sullivan D. Curran

M 10/1/1993

AUV-AAA

Charles R. Plummer

AlternatePPM Consultants, Inc.1600 Lamy LaneMonroe, LA 71201-3736Petroleum Marketers Association of AmericaPrincipal: James R. Rocco

U 4/14/2005AUV-AAA

Roland A. Riegel

AlternateUL LLC1285 Walt Whitman RoadMelville, NY 11747-3085Principal: Alfredo M. Ramirez

RT 4/15/2004

AUV-AAA

Don Singleton

AlternateBlossman Gas Inc.4601 Hanshaw RoadOcean Springs, MS 39564National Propane Gas AssociationPrincipal: Bruce J. Swiecicki

IM 10/29/2012AUV-AAA

Adam Stewart

AlternateTyco Fire Protection ProductsOne Stanton StreetMarinette, WI 54143Principal: Curtis N. Harding

M 03/05/2012

AUV-AAA

Charles A. Sunderhaus

AlternateOPW Fueling Components3307 Morgan Ross RoadHamilton, OH 45013Principal: John M. Gray

M 4/14/2005AUV-AAA

R. Jeff Tanner

AlternateMichigan Department of Environmental QualityPO Box 30426Lansing, MI 48909-7926Principal: Marcia Jo Poxson

E 10/29/2012

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AUV-AAA

Keith Weepie

AlternateHusky Corporation2325 Husky WayPacific, MO 63069Principal: Rob Brown

M 10/29/2012AUV-AAA

William R. Hamilton

Nonvoting MemberUS Department of LaborOccupational Safety & Health Administration200 Constitution Ave. NW, Room N3609Washington, DC 20210Alternate: Matthew I. Chibbaro

E 3/4/2009

AUV-AAA

Matthew I. Chibbaro

Alt. to Nonvoting MemberUS Department of LaborOccupational Safety & Health Administration200 Constitution Ave. NW, Room N3609Washington, DC 20210Occupational Safety & Health AdministrationPrincipal: William R. Hamilton

E 4/15/2004AUV-AAA

Donald M. Johnson

Member Emeritus3333 Rossmoor Parkway, #1Walnut Creek, CA 94595

1/1/1987

AUV-AAA

Robert P. Benedetti

Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471

4/22/2008

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AUV.2012-12 Minutes.doc


MINUTES of MEETING Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations

National Fire Protection Association Offices Quincy, MA

Tuesday, December 11, 2012

[NOTE: This meeting was originally scheduled for October 30, 2012. It was rescheduled to December 11, 2012 because of expected severe weather along the Atlantic coast.]

I. Attendance C. A. Burns, Oscar W. Larson Company M. L. Eaves, Clean Energy F. B. Goodnight, Amerex Corporation (Rep. Fire Equipment Manufacturers' Association)

J. Gray, OPW Fueling Components C. N. Harding, Tyco Fire Suppression & Building Products

D. B. Horne, DBHorne LLC (Rep. Clean Vehicle Education Foundation) M. A. Klein, Marshall A. Klein & Associates, Inc. (Rep. Automotive Oil Change Association) R. B. Laurence, Stantec Consulting Services Inc.

R. Moses, Wayne, a GE Energy Business D. T. Phelan, Bergenfield Fire Department A. M. Ramirez, UL LLC, CHAIR

R. N. Renkes, Petroleum Equipment Institute J. R. Rocco, Sage Risk Solutions, LLC (Rep. Petroleum Marketers Association of America)

R. C. Schultz, University of Texas at Austin – Fire Prevention Services D. Singleton, National Propane Gas Association C. A. Sunderhaus, OPW Fueling Components K. Weepie, Husky Corporation

R. P. Benedetti, NFPA, STAFF LIAISON GUESTS: S. Bershad, National Fire Protection Association G. Colonna, National Fire Protection Association D. Pinkham, Automotive Aftermarket Industry Association

Prior to the beginning of the meeting, Guy Colonna reviewed with the Technical Committee NFPA’s new standards development procedures, including the web-based applications.

Minutes 1. The meeting was called to order at 8:00 AM by Technical Committee Chair Al Ramirez.

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2. Attendees introduced themselves and necessary corrections were made to the Technical Committee roster. The corrected roster will be posted to the NFPA 30A Document Information Web Page.

3. The Minutes of the previous meeting (October 4, 2010, Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel, Atlanta GA

were unanimously approved. 4. Technical Committee Chair Al Ramirez reviewed the meeting agenda. He thanked Technical

Committee members for their work on the 2012 edition of NFPA 30A and their coming work on the next edition. He pointed out that there might need to be minor adjustments to the area classification table in Chapter 8 of NFPA 30A, to correlate with NFPA 70®, National Electrical Code®. In addition, future amendments might be necessary to NFPA 30A to address E15 automotive fuel.

5. The Staff Liaison reported on the following items:

Technical Committee Scope & Technical Committee Name. At the April, 2009 meeting, the Committee reviewed, but did not act on, proposed changes to the Technical Committee’s Scope statement. At the October 2010 meeting the Technical Committee tentatively approved a change to the committee’s name to “Technical Committee on Motor Fuel Dispensing and Automotive Repair Facilities”. The Technical Committee determined that one last review of the proposed new scope statement was needed and appointed a Task Group to conduct the review [See Attachment № M1] Action Item: A Task Group chaired by Marshall Klein and including Doug Horne and Dave Phelan was appointed to conduct a final review and report back to the Technical Committee. If no further changes are deemed necessary, the Staff Liaison is to circulate a letter ballot to the Technical Committee on the proposed new scope. If the vote is affirmative, the Staff Liaison is to submit the new Scope to the NFPA Standards Council for their approval.

Technical Committee Membership Status. The Staff Liaison reviewed recent changes to the Technical Committee’s membership. The Staff Liaison also briefed the Technical Committee on the two emphasis programs: one to increase the number of enforcing officials on Technical Committees and the other to encourage each Technical Committee member to nominate an alternate member. Action Item: Technical Committee members are urged to secure alternates and to identify potential enforcing officials as candidates for membership on the Technical Committee.

A2014 Document Revision Schedule. The Staff Liaison reviewed the schedule of the Annual

2014 document revision cycle. 6. The briefing on activities of the Fire Protection Research Foundation was deferred. Kathleen Almand,

Executive Director of the Foundation was unable to attend due to a conflicting schedule occasioned by this Technical Committee’s need to reschedule its meeting. In lieu, Guy Colonna presented some information on the “code fund” projects.

7. Guy Colonna presented an overview of NFPA’s new Standards Development process, as noted above. 8. The Technical Committee reviewed and took action on all Public Input items to amend the 2012

edition of NFPA 30A. Three Task Group items were identified as follows:

Scope Task Group. See Item 5 above. Chapter 12 Review Task Group.

[Chair: Doug Horne Members: Messrs. Burns, Eaves, Laurence, Sweicicki] [Need Committee Comments to address Public Inputs Nos. 4,5,9,10,16,17,18,21,24,25]

Article 511/Repair Garage Task Group [Chair: Al Ramirez Members: Messrs. Klein, Laurence, Horne] [Need Committee Comments for Table 8.3.2] Action Items: The Task Groups are to conduct their work and report to the Technical Committee at the Second Draft meeting.

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Action Item: The Staff Liaison was directed to prepare the First Draft ballot for circulation to the Technical Committee.

9. There was no correspondence requiring the Technical Committee’s attention. 10. There was no old business requiring the Technical Committee’s attention. 11. The following items of new business were handled:

Mandatory Grounding of Vents, Drop Tubes, Risers. The Technical Committee determined that this issue was within the scope of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Committee (NFPA 30)

Separation Between Aboveground Fuel Tanks and Delivery Vehicles. The Technical Committee determined that there was no reason to address this issue.

Potential Revisions to and Clarification of Section 6.7. The Technical Committee decided that this should be studied and that information should be sought. Action Item: The Staff Liaison was directed to solicit assistance from Mark Hilbert, NFPA seminar instructor for hazardous locations.

Separation Between Aboveground Fuel Tanks and Dispensers. The Technical Committee determined that the hazard is that presented by the vehicles on the site, not the dispensers and that no changes are warranted for the separation distances imposed by Table 4.3.2.4 of NFPA 30A.

Does Scope of NFPA 30A Include Non-Registered Vehicles? The Technical Committee determined that non-registered vehicles are indeed within the scope of NFPA 30A.

12. Schedule Next Meeting(s). The Technical Committee scheduled the Second Draft meeting for August

22, 2013, in Ann Arbor or Lansing MI. This will enable the MI enforcing community to attend the meeting.

13. The meeting adjourned at 3:30 PM.

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SCOPE STATEMENT

This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on safeguarding against the fire and explosion hazards associated with the general storage, handling, and dispensing of flammable and combustible liquids at automotive and marine service stations, farms, and isolated construction sites and with related activities, such as dispensing gaseous fuels. This committee shall also have primary responsibility for documents on construction, control of fire hazards, ventilation, fire protection, and maintenance of repair garages. Responsible for NFPA 30A, Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages.

COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP BALANCE

Members: 30 M: 10 (33%)* U: 4 (13%)** Voting Alternates: 0 I/M: 5 (17%)*** L/C: 0 Alternates: 11 R/T: 2 (7%) E: 4 (13%)

Non-Voting: 2 I: 2 (7%) SE: 3 (10%) Emeritus 1

Task Group: 0 Hold List: 0 Balance: OK *(CNG dispensing equipment: 1 fire suppression equipment: 2

liquid fuel dispensing equipment: 4 LNG dispensing equipment: 1 fuel storage tanks: 1) **(fleet operators: 0 lube-only/repair facilities: 1 marine facilities: 1 retail: 2) ***(CNG dispensing/storage systems: 1 fire suppression systems: 1

liquid fuel dispensing systems: 1 LPG dispensing systems: 1 marine fuel dispensing systems: 1

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2014 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE *Public Input Dates may vary according to documents and schedules for Revision Cycles may change. Please check the NFPA Website for the most up‐to‐date information on Public Input Closing Dates and schedules at

www.nfpa.org/document # (i.e. www.nfpa.org/101) and click on the Next Edition tab

Process Stage

Process Step

Dates for TC

Dates forTC with

CC Public Input Closing Date* 6/22/2012 6/22/2012

Final Date for TC First Draft Meeting 11/30/2012 8/31/2012

Public Input Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot 1/18/2013 10/12/2012

Stage Final date for Receipt of TC First Draft ballot 2/8/2013 11/2/2012

(First Draft) Final date for Receipt of TC First Draft ballot ‐ recirc 2/15/2013 11/9/2012

Posting of First Draft for CC Meeting 11/16/2012

Final date for CC First Draft Meeting 12/28/2012

Posting of First Draft and CC Ballot 1/18/2013

Final date for Receipt of CC First Draft ballot 2/8/2013

Final date for Receipt of CC First Draft ballot ‐ recirc 2/15/2013

Post Final First Draft for Public Comment 2/22/2013 2/22/2013

Public Comment closing date 5/3/2013 5/3/2013

Final Date to Publish Notice of Consent Documents (Documents that received no Comments)

5/10/2013 5/10/2013

Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents (Documents that received no Comments)

5/24/2013 5/24/2013

Final date for TC Second Draft Meeting 10/18/2013 7/12/2013

Comment Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot 11/29/2013 8/23/2013

Stage Final date for Receipt of TC Second Draft ballot 12/20/2013 9/13/2013

(Second Final date for receipt of TC Second Draft ballot ‐ recirc 12/27/2013 9/20/2013

Draft) Posting of Second Draft for CC Meeting 9/27/2013

Final date for CC Second Draft Meeting 11/8/2013

Posting of Second Draft for CC Ballot 11/29/2013

Final date for Receipt of CC Second Draft ballot 12/20/2013

Final date for Receipt of CC Second Draft ballot ‐ recirc 12/27/2013

Post Final Second Draft for NITMAM Review 1/3/2014 1/3/2014

Tech Session Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date 2/7/2014 2/7/2014

Preparation Posting of Certified Amending Motions (CAMs) and Consent Documents

4/4/2014 4/4/2014

(& Issuance) Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents 4/18/2014 4/18/2014

SC Issuance Date for Consent Documents 5/9/2014 5/9/2014

Tech Session Association Meeting for Documents with CAMs 6/9‐12/2014 6/9‐12/2014

Appeals and Appeal Closing Date for Documents with CAMs 6/24/2014 6/24/2014

Issuance Council Issuance Date for Documents with CAMs 8/14/2014 8/14/2014

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ATTACHMENT No. A5

Proposed New Technical Committee Scope Statement

This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on safeguarding against the fire and explosion hazards associated with the general storage, handling, and dispensing of flammable liquids, and combustible liquids, and gaseous fuels at motor fuel dispensing facilities automotive and marine service stations, farms, and isolated construction sites; and with related activities such as operation, inspection, and maintenance, and repair of fuel dispensing gaseous fuels and storage system components.

This Committee shall have responsibility for the dispensing of gaseous fuels only at facilities where liquid fuels are also dispensed.

This Committee shall also have primary responsibility for documents on construction, control of fire hazards, ventilations, fire protection, and maintenance of automotive repair facilities garages.

Staff Liaison suggestions: - Replace “automotive” with “motor vehicle”. - Replace “repair garages” with “repair facilities”. - Change name of committee to “Technical Committee on Motor Fuel Dispensing and Vehicle Repair” [MFD-AAA]

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ATTACHMENT No. A6

Proposed Action from Chapter 12 Task Group

1. Public Input No. 16 – 12.2.3 Accept in principal - keep 12.3.3 but add “or approved” after “listed”. 12.3.3 Dispensing devices for CNG, LNG, and LP-Gas shall be listed or approved. Rational: At this time there are no specific standards for listing CNG or LNG dispensers therefore adding or approved allows the AHJ to accept the dispensers based on their standard methods for approving equipment. The industry in working on listing standards and it is expected that NFPA 52 will require listing once the standards are in place. LP-Gas dispensers may be listed or may be approved where the dispenser is assembled using listed pumps, hoses and valves.

2. Public Input No. 17 – 12.3.3 REJECT. See Public Input No. 9.

3. Public Input No. 24 -12.3 3 Addressed via Public Input No. 9

4. Public Input No. 4 – 12.3.3 REJECT. See Public Input No. 9.

5. Public Input No. 9 – 12.3.3 Accept in principal and in part as noted below: 12.3.3* Aboveground tanks storing CNG or, LNG, or LP-Gas shall be separated from each other aboveground tanks containing LP-Gas and liquid motor vehicle fuels by at least 6 m (20 ft). and Aboveground tanks storing CNG, LNG, or LP-Gas shall be separated from dispensing devices that dispense liquid or gaseous motor vehicle fuels by at least 3m (10 ft) 15 m (50 ft). Exception No. 1: This required separation shall not apply to tanks storing fuels that have the same chemical composition. Exception No. 2: When both the gaseous fuel storage and dispensing equipment are at least 15 m (50 ft) from any other aboveground motor fuel storage or dispensing equipment, the requirements of NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code, or NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, whichever is applicable, shall apply. Rational: The 20 ft separation distances between CNG/LNG storage systems and aboveground liquid fuels including LP-Gas have been in the codes for a while and should be kept in place. Both NFPA 52 and NFPA 58 recognize that there should be 10 ft separation distance between their respective aboveground storage systems and dispensing devices for liquid or gaseous motor fuels. The revision to Input 9 coverers both of these issues.

6. Public Input No. 5 – 12.3.4 REJECT. NFPA 58 adequately address the seperation distances for LP-Gas storage, as discussed in Input 9.

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7. Public Input No. 18 – 12.3.4 Accept in principal and in part as noted below: 12.3.4 Aboveground storage tanks for the storage of CNG and, LNG, or LP-Gas shall be provided with physical protection in accordance with NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code 4.3.7. Aboveground storage tanks for the storage of LP-Gas shall be provided with physical protection in accordance with NFPA 58. Rational: The NFPA 52 and NFPA 58 documents provide adequate physical protection for CNG, LNG and LP-Gas aboveground storage tanks and the associated equipment. NFPA 30A 4.3.7 just addresses the storage tanks but not the balance of the system as needed.

8. Public Input No. 21 – Table 12.6.2 ACCEPT. Class 1 Division 1 Liquefied Natural Gas Entire space within the dispenser enclosure and 1.5 m (5 ft) in all directions from the dispenser enclosure

9. Public Input No. 10 – A.12.3.3 Accept in principle as noted below: A.12.3.3 The selection of the 15 m (50 ft) separation distance for gaseous fuels is based on the existing separation requirements prescribed in this code. No technical data were available to support different separation distances, and the 15 m (50 ft) distance was considered reasonable and conservative, based on the information available to the technical committee at the time. Also this distance is based on an understanding of the actual hazards associated with the design of CNG and LNG storage systems. LNG storage is separated from any dispensing equipment by spill containment system and CNG has a specific gravity of less than 1.0 and dissipates in air. The requirement for a minimum 10-foot separation distance between LP-Gas storage and flammable liquid dispensers has been in NFPA 58 for several decades.

10. Public Input No. 25 – A.12.3.3 Addressed by action on Public Input No. 10.

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Public Comment No. 7-NFPA 30A-2013 [ Section No. 6.4.2 ]

6.4.2

Each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide anaudible or visible indication restricts or shuts off the flow of product if the piping or a dispenser is leaking.Each leak-detecting device shall be checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturer'sspecifications to ensure proper installation and operation.

Exception : A leak detection device shall not be required if all piping is visible.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved

30A_Ralston_6.4.2.docx Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

The wording in this section of the code makes it impossible to comply with. No leak detector installed on the discharge side of the pump provides an audible or visible alarm.

Line leak detectors used on remote submersible pumps are not capable of sounding an audible or visible alarm, they use a pressure differential in the piping to either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser (mechanical line leak detectors) or shut off the flow of product (electronic line leak detectors).

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: ALEX RALSTON

Organization: PETCON INC

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Tue Apr 23 08:30:19 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, ALEX RALSTON, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Comment (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend thatI acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Comment in this or another similaror derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Comment and that I have full power and authority to enter intothis copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am ALEX RALSTON, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and theterms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will,upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

National Fire Protection Association Report http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPara...

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Public Comment No. 4-NFPA 30A-2013 [ Sections 6.7.1, 6.7.2 ]

Sections 6.7.1, 6.7.2

6.7.1

At attended motor fuel dispensing facilities, the devices or disconnects shall be readily accessible to theattendant and labeled with an approved sign stating “EMERGENCY FUEL SHUTOFF” . .

6.7.2

At unattended motor fuel dispensing facilities, the devices or disconnects shall be readily accessible topatrons and at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible to each group ofdispensing devices on an individual island. The device(s) or disconnect(s) shall be labeled with anapproved sign stating “EMERGENCY FUEL SHUTOFF”.


Shut-offs should be labeled as to their operation so they can be easily identified by attendants and/or patrons that may be required to use them.


Submitter Full Name: Doug Hohbein

Organization: Northcentral Fire Code Develop

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:



I, Doug Hohbein, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Comment (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend thatI acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Comment in this or another similaror derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Comment and that I have full power and authority to enter intothis copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Doug Hohbein, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the termsand conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon mysubmission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature


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7.4.6 Fixed Fire Protection.

Automatic sprinkler protection installed in accordance with the requirements of NFPA 13, Standard for theInstallation of Sprinkler Systems, shall be provided in major repair garages, as herein defined, when any ofthe following conditions exist:

(1) The building housing the major repair garage is two or more

stories in height

(1) levels , including basements, and

any one of the floors exceeds 930 m 2 (10,000 ft 2 )

(1) the aggregate area of all levels combined exceeds 12000 ft2 .

(2) The major repair garage is one

story

(1) level and exceeds 1115 m 2 (12,000 ft 2 ).

(2) The major repair garage is servicing vehicles parked in the basement of the building.


Subsection 1 should clarify that the requirement applies to the entire building; the entire building does not have to be used as a repair garage to utilize this requirement. The current language of section 1 would allow a large area without sprinkler protection. (Example: 3 story building, 9,000 ft² per floor would not require sprinkler protection)




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Public Comment No. 2-NFPA 30A-2013 [ New Section after 9.2.5.4 ]

9.2.5.5* Display of Materials. The storage or placement for display or sale of combustibles shall beprohibited within 20 feet of a fuel dispenser.


Display material obstructs the view of the attendant and adds a fuel load that is not needed in the area of the fuel dispensers.




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12.2.1

The installation and use of CNG and hydrogen systems shall meet the requirements of NFPA 52,Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code, except as modified by this chapter. The installation and use ofLNG systems shall meet the requirements of NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code, except asmodified by this chapter. The installation and use of LP-Gas systems shall meet the requirements of NFPA58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, except as modified by this chapter. The installation and use ofhydrogen systems shall meet the requirements of NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code, except asmodified by this chapter.


Requirements for Hydrogen fueled vehicles in now in NFPA 2 not NFPA 52.


Submitter Full Name: Douglas Horne

Organization: DBHorne LLC

Affilliation: Clean Vehicle Education Foundation

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Submittal Date: Thu Apr 04 08:34:31 EDT 2013


I, Douglas Horne, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Comment (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend thatI acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Comment in this or another similaror derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Comment and that I have full power and authority to enter intothis copyright assignment.

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Public Comment No. 5-NFPA 30A-2013 [ Section No. 13.2.3.9 ]

13.2.3.9

Tanks that have top openings only shall be mounted and equipped as follows:

(1)

(2) Movable tanks shall be equipped with attached metal legs that rest on shoes or runners designed sothat the tank is supported in a stable position and so that the tank and its supports can be moved asa single unit.

(3) Tanks shall be equipped with a tightly and permanently attached approved pumping device havingan approved hose and nozzle.

(4) Each component of dispensing systems for Class I liquids shall be listed.

(5) The dispenser nozzle and hose shall be designed so they can be padlocked to the hanger toprevent tampering.

(6) The pump discharge shall be equipped with an effective anti-siphoning device, or the dischargehose shall be equipped with an approved self-closing nozzle.

(7) Siphons or internal pressure discharge devices shall be prohibited.

(8) Tanks shall have non-porous containment protection equal ½ of the total volume of the tank.


Due to the lack of local enforcement on farms and remote areas, the requirement for capture of flammable liquids must be required to contain and prevent potential fires to humans, grass, equipment, buildings, and out structures that may be located adjacent to such tanks. Protection of the surrounding area and ground water from flammable liquids will increase overall safety.




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* Stationary tanks shall be mounted on concrete, steel, or masonry supports at least 150 mm (6in.) in height so as to protect the bottom of the tank from corrosion due to contact with the ground andto maintain the tank in a stable position.


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Public Comment No. 3-NFPA 30A-2013 [ New Section after A.9.2.5.4 ]

A.9.2.5.5 Many self-service stations display items such as wood, bagged ground cover, cartons ofconsumable products and other combustibles that create vision obstructions, excessive fire loadand other hazards in and around dispensing islands and pumps.


Display material obstructs the view of the attendant and adds a fuel load that is not needed in the area of the fuel dispensers.




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Public Input No. 1-NFPA 30A-2012 [ New Section after 1.1.2 ]

1.1.3 This code shall not apply to aircraft fuel dispensing facilities.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

NFPA 30A is commonly referenced , in my opinion, incorrectly, by local fire code officials for aircraft fuel dispensing in addition to or in place of NFPA 407 which covers aircraft dispensing design and operation. Addition of this text would clarify the intent of the code to not include aircraft fuel servicing and dispensing directly into aircraft.


Submitter Full Name: DAN FRANK

Organization: ARGUS CONSULTING

Submittal Date: Mon Apr 02 13:32:02 EDT 2012

Committee Statement

Resolution: The Submitter's suggested change has been incorporated into First Revision No. 1.


I, DAN FRANK, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 2-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No. 2.3.3 ]

2.3.3 UL Publications.

Underwriters Laboratories Inc., 333 Pfingsten Road, Northbrook, IL 60062-2096.

ANSI/ UL 79, Standard for Power-Operated Pumps for Petroleum Dispensing Products , 2005, Revised 2010.

UL 87, Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products, 2001, Revised 2008.

UL Subject 87A, Outline of Investigation for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0-E85), 2010.

ANSI/UL 330, Standard for Hose and Hose Assemblies for DispensingFlammable Liquids , 2009, Revised 2011.

ANSI/UL 567, Standard for Emergency Breakaway Fittings, Swivel Connectors and Pipe-Connection Fittings for Petroleum Products and LP-Gas , 2003, Revised 2011.

ANSI/UL 842, Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids, 2007, Revised2010 2011 .

UL 2080, Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, 2000.

ANSI/UL 2085, Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, 1997, Revised 2010.

UL 2245, Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks, 2006.

ANSI/UL 2586, Standard for Hose Nozzle Valves , 2011, Revised 2012.


Add reference to ANSI/UL 79, UL Subject 87A, ANSI/UL 330, ANSI/UL 567 and ANSI/UL 2586 as referenced in proposed revisions to Sections 6.2.3, 6.2.4(new), 6.6.1 and 6.3.10. Update ANSI/UL 842 to most recent edition as indicated.


Submitter Full Name: John Bender

Organization: Underwriters Laboratories Inc.

Submittal Date: Wed Apr 18 13:02:34 EDT 2012

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Resolution: FR-5-NFPA 30A-2012

Statement: The Technical Committee agrees with the updates made to the list of referenced UL documents, but has deleted the entries for ANSI/UL 79, UL Subject 87A, ANSI/UL 330, and ANSI/UL 567, all of which are to be referenced in Annex D via First Revision No. 8. The entry for ANSI/UL 2586 has been added because it is now a mandatory referenced standard in Subsection 6.6.1, per First Revision No. 4.


I, John Bender, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Add a new section to read:

6.2.4 Products intended for use with gasoline/ethanol blends with a nominal ethanolconcentration greater than 10% shall be additionally evaluated in accordance with UL Subject 87A, Outline of Investigation for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0-E85).


Add reference to ANSI/UL 79, UL 87, UL Subject 87A, ANSI/UL 330, ANSI/UL 567 and ANSI/UL 842 as the appropriate product safety standard for testing and listing these types of devices, respectively. With many products now being listed to handle "Ethanol" blended fuels, these standards are critical to ensure that these products are reviewed and tested to provide the protection for handling flammable/combustible liquids and ethanol based fuels. UL 87 shall be required for all flammable and combustible liquid dispensing. Additional review is needed if the flammable and combustible liquids contain ethanol-blends and shall be reviewed and tested to UL Subject 87A.




Submittal Date: Tue Jun 05 11:27:17 EDT 2012

Committee Statement

Resolution: The addition of Annex Statement A.6.2.3, via First Revision No. 2, addresses the Submitter's concern.






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6.2.3

Fuel dispensing systems, including dispensers, hoses, nozzles, breakaway fittings, swivels, flexible connectors, dispenser emergency shutoff valves, vapor recovery systems, and pumps that are used for alcohol-blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purpose and labeled in accordance with ANSI/UL 79 Standard for Power-Operated Pumps for Petroleum Dispensing Products ; UL 87, Standard for Power-Operated Pumps for Petroleum Dispensing Products ; UL Subject 87A, Outline of Investigation for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0-E85); ANSI/UL 330, Standard for Hose and Hose Assemblies for Dispensing Flammable Liquids ; ANSI/UL 567, Standard for Emergency Breakaway Fittings, Swivel Connectors and Pipe-Connection Fittings for Petroleum Products and LP-Gas ; or ANSI/UL 842, Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids .


Add reference to ANSI/UL 79, UL 87, UL Subject 87A, ANSI/UL 330, ANSI/UL 567 and ANSI/UL 842 as the appropriate product safety standard for testing and listing these types of devices, respectively. With many products now being listed to handle "Ethanol" blended fuels, these standards are critical to ensure that these products are reviewed and tested to provide the protection for handling flammable/combustible liquids and ethanol based fuels. UL 87 shall be required for all flammable and combustible liquid dispensing. Additional review is needed if the flammable and combustible liquids contain ethanol-blends and shall be reviewed and tested to UL Subject 87A.





Committee Statement


Statement: The Technical Committee does not agree with the addition of the references cited by the Submitter to Subsection 6.2.3, nor does it agree with the deletion of "or approved for the specific purpose". The reason for the Technical Committee's decision is that local approval is still being used for existingdispensing systems for alternative fuels. To mandate the subject standardsmight create conflicts. Therefore, the Technical Committee believes theappropriate place to list the referenced documents is in an annex to 6.2.3 and an asterisk has been added to the subsection number accordingly. See First Revision No. 2.




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I, John Bender, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.




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Add a new section to read:6.3.11 A vacuum-actuated shutoff valve with a shear-section or equivalent type

valve that is used with alcohol-blended fuels shall be listed and labeled to UL Subject 87A, Outline of Investigations for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Normal Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0-E85).


UL Subject 87A is the appropriate product safety standard for testing and listing shut-off valves covered in this section that are exposed to alcohol-blended fuels.





Committee Statement

Resolution: The addition of Annex Statement A.6.2.3, via First Revision No. 2, addresses the Submitter's concern.






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6.3.10

Where a suction-type dispensing system includes a booster pump or where a suction-type dispensing system is supplied by a tank in a manner that produces a gravity head on the dispensing device, a listed, vacuum-actuated shutoff valve with a shear section or equivalent-type valve, listed and labeled in accordance with UL 842, Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids , shall be installed directly under the dispensing device.


Include reference to ANSI/UL 842 as this is a new standard designed to cover and certify these specific type valves.





Committee Statement


Statement: The Technical Committee agrees that a reference to ANSI/UL 842 is appropriate.






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Public Input No. 15-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No. 6.6.1 [Excluding

any Sub-Sections] ]

An automatic closing–type hose nozzle valve, with a latch-open device, and listed and labeled in accordance with ANSI/UL 842, Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids and ANSI/UL 2586 , Standard for Hose Nozzle Valves , shall be provided on island-type dispensing devices used to dispense Class I or Class II liquids.


Replace reference to ANSI/UL 842 with ANSI/UL 2586 since flammable and combustible liquid only hose nozzle valves are now investigated under ANSI/UL 2586. With the addition of the new standard on hose nozzle valves, ANSI/UL 2586, ANSI/UL 842 will only be used to evaluate shear or ball valves as referenced in Section 6.6.





Committee Statement


Statement: The Technical Committee agrees with the addition of the reference to ANSI/UL 2586, but has changed "and" to "or" because newer hose nozzle valves will only be listed to ANSI/UL 2586, not to both.


I, John Bender, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.




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8.2.1*

In major repair garages where CNG vehicles are repaired or stored , the area within 455 mm (18 in.) of the ceiling, if subjected to ignitible concentrations of gas, shall be designated a Class I, Division 2 hazardous (classified) location.Exception : In major repair garages, where ventilation equal to not less than four air changes per hour is provided, this requirement shall not apply.


The storage or parking of CNG vehicles pose no additional hazard when compared to liquid fuel vehicles. The CNG fuel systems are completely closed systems and are not designed to vent natural gas except in the event of a significant fire in order to protect the on-board fuel storage cylinders.As stated in the Annex A 8.2.1 it was assumed the hazard that this requirement was designed to address was the release on 150% of the volume of the largest CNG tank.This was considered to be a valid hazard in the 1990's since there were several occurrences of premature releases from cylinder mounted pressure relief devices (PRDs) which involved the full contents of the cylinder. There were a number reasons for those releases and all have all been addressed by industry and resolved. There has not been a premature release by a PRD since 1999. The industry is now reviewing industry operations to determine what would constitute a credible release of natural gas in a major repair facility. With the wide use of cylinder mounted normally closed solenoid valves tied to the ignition switch the release of gas from a fuel cylinder is eliminated in normal operations. The highest probability of release would be the opening of a fuel line fitting by a technician without properly venting the lines. In this case the total amount of gas released would be less than 150 cf. This amount of gas would disperse in the air and would not normally constitute a ignitable concentration of gas. Documentation of the research being done will be made available as needed.



Organization: DBHorne LLC

Submittal Date: Fri Jun 15 16:28:42 EDT 2012

Committee Statement

Resolution: The Technical Committee does not accept the changes being proposed by this Public Input absent additional supporting information. The submitter is encouraged to provide the additional supporting documentation noted in theSubstantiation.


I, Douglas Horne, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.



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Public Input No. 6-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No. 9.2.5.1 ]

9.2.5.1 Sources of Ignition.

Smoking materials, including matches and lighters, smoke material waste receptacles, shall not be used within 6 m (20 ft) of areas used for fueling, servicing fuel systems of internal combustion engines, or receiving or dispensing of Class I and Class II liquids. The motors of all equipment being fueled shall be shut off during the fueling operation except for emergency generators, pumps, and so forth, where continuing operation is essential.


Smoking material waste receptacles should not be permitted in the area of fueling operations. Members of the NERFCDC have experienced fires in areas where smoking material waste receptacles were placed in the area of fueling. Smoking material waste receptacles are a source of ignition.


Submitter Full Name: Arthur Londensky

Organization: Northeastern Regional Fire Cod


Committee Statement

Resolution: The Technical Committee does not accept the proposed changes because smoking is not allowed adjacent to the dispensers and the authority having jurisdiction already has the authority to control this usage. The Technical Committee also feels that providing receptacles might encourage smoking near dispensers


I, Arthur Londensky, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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9.2.5.2 Fire Extinguishers.

Each motor fuel dispensing facility or repair garage shall be provided with fire extinguishers installed, inspected, and maintained as required by NFPA 10, Standard for Portable Fire Extinguishers. Extinguishers for Selection of extinguishers for the protection of these Class B hazards shall be in accordance with NFPA-10 Section 5.5 recommendations.

9.2.5.2.1 Fire extinguishers for outside motor fuel dispensing areas shall be provided

according to the extra (high) hazard requirements for Class B hazards, except that the

so the maximum travel distance to

an 80 B:C

the extinguisher shall

be permitted to be

not exceed 30.48 m (100 ft).


These revisions are necessary to further clarify the existing NFPA-10 fire extinguisher selection recommendations for properly addressing specific Class B fire hazards. The standards existing selection reference to NFPA-10’s extra (high) hazard occupancy only addresses general occupancy recommendations for potential open spill fire related conditions and not the obstacle, gravity three-dimensional or pressure fire situations more likely to be presented with fuel handling and transfer situations. Back in 2007 the NFPA-10 committee specifically addressed the selection of fire extinguishers for special Class B types of fire situations separately within Section 5.5. Extinguishers models having higher agent flow rates have historically always addressed

these types of fire situations better than extinguisher models with higher numerical fire ratings, which in contrast require and dictate extended discharge durations. Current NFPA-10 fire extinguisher recommendations for such hazards are based upon dry chemical models having minimum agent capacities of 10 pounds and agent discharge flow rates of 1 lb/sec (0.45 kg/sec) or greater. The high-flow 10 and 20 pound types of fire extinguisher models typically also carry reduced numerical Class B fire ratings of only 20B and 40B respectively. For this reason, the existing NFPA-30A standards 80 B:C rating reference needs to be removed or reduced accordingly.The proposed new paragraph 9.2.5.2.1 attempts to maintain the committees existing

desired coverage and maximum extinguisher travel distance recommendation for outside motor fuel dispensing areas. (Reference 2010 edition of NFPA-10 Section 5.5 and Annex paragraphs C.2.6, C.2.6.1, C.2.6.2, C.2.6.3, C.2.6.4, C.2.6.5, and C.2.8)


Submitter Full Name: J. Nerat

Organization: Badger/Kidde Fire Protection

Affilliation: NFPA Industrial Section representitive on NFPA 10

Submittal Date: Wed Jun 27 12:31:30 EDT 2012



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Committee Statement

Resolution: The type of extinguishers being suggested would require special training that the general public is unlikely to have.


I, J. Nerat, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Except tothe extent that I may lack authority to make an assignment of content identified above, I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyrightassignment.

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Origin (from sources other than the submitter)

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Public Input No. 26-NFPA 30A-2012 [ New Section after 9.2.5.4 ]

Add new text to read as follows:9.2.5.4.1 Lettering for warnings listed in 9.2.5.4 shall be a minimum of 1/2-inch

high.9.2.5.4.2 International symbols (below) shall also be used for each warning and

shall be a minimum of 1 ¼-inches in height.

(I could not edit the Leave Electronic Devices in Vehicles out of the photo- it is not my intent to include it in this change.)

INSERT FIGURE 30A_L22 (PI#) Rec



30A_L22 (PI #26) Rec.docx Recommendation Artwork

30A_L22 (PI #26) Sub.docx Substantiation Include with Artwork


INCLUDE 30A_L22 (PI #26) Sub


Submitter Full Name: Gregory Cahanin

Organization: Cahanin Fire & Code Consulting

Submittal Date: Wed Jul 18 09:52:57 EDT 2012

Committee Statement

Resolution: Paragraph 9.2.5.4 presents the intended text of the warning label. Marketers are free to add any additional symbols desired.


I, Gregory Cahanin, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 7-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No. 9.4.3 [Excluding any

Sub-Sections] ]

The primary responsibility of the attendant shall be as follows:

(1) Prevent the dispensing of Class I liquids into portable containers not in compliance with 9.2.3.1

(2) Prevent the use of hose nozzle valve latch-open devices that do not comply with 6.6.1

(3) Control sources of ignition

(4) Immediately activate emergency controls and notify the fire department of any fire or other emergency

(5) Handle accidental spills and fire extinguishers if needed


The additional of primary is to further clarify that the attendant is there to perform the duties in 9.4.3.1 and other duties are secondary. It appears the role of the attendant continues to be other than an attendant to provide safe fueling.





Committee Statement

Resolution: The Technical Committee has determined that the current text of Subsections 9.4.2 and 9.4.3 is adequate.






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9.7.9.4

Metal Where lockers shall be provided are provided for employees’ clothes, they shall be constructed of metal .


Although it is valid to require lockers to be made of non-combustible materials, some proprietors may choose to not provide lockers for employees. As currently worded it sounds like they are required to provide lockers.





Committee Statement

Resolution: The original intent of this provision was to ensure that oil-impregnated clothing was kept in a metal locker.






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11.7.1

Each marine motor fuel dispensing facility shall be provided with fire extinguishers installed, inspected, and maintained as required by NFPA 10, Standard for Portable Fire Extinguishers. Extinguishers for Selection of extinguishers for the protection of these Class B hazards shall be in accordance with NFPA-10 Section 5.5 recommendations.

11.7.1.1 Fire extinguishers for marine motor fuel dispensing areas shall be provided

according to the extra (high) hazard requirements for Class B hazards, except that the

so the maximum travel distance to

an 80 B:C extinguisher shall be permitted to be 31

the extinguisher shall not exceed 30.48 m (100 ft).


These revisions are necessary to further clarify the existing NFPA-10 fire extinguisher selection recommendations for properly addressing specific Class B fire hazards. The standards existing selection reference to NFPA-10’s extra (high) hazard occupancy only addresses general occupancy recommendations for potential open spill fire related conditions and not the obstacle, gravity three-dimensional or pressure fire situations more likely to be presented with fuel handling and transfer situations. Back in 2007 the NFPA-10 committee specifically addressed the selection of fire extinguishers for special Class B types of fire situations separately within Section 5.5. Extinguishers models having higher agent flow rates have historically always addressed

these types of fire situations better than extinguisher models with higher numerical fire ratings, which in contrast require and dictate extended discharge durations. Current NFPA-10 fire extinguisher recommendations for such hazards are based upon dry chemical models having minimum agent capacities of 10 pounds and agent discharge flow rates of 1 lb/sec (0.45 kg/sec) or greater. The high-flow 10 and 20 pound types of fire extinguisher models typically also have reduced numerical Class B fire ratings of only 20B and 40B respectively. For this reason, the existing NFPA-30A standards 80 B:C rating reference needs to be removed or reduced accordingly.The proposed new paragraph 11.7.1.1 attempts to maintain the committees existing

maximum extinguisher travel distance recommendation for marine motor fuel dispensing areas. (Reference 2010 edition of NFPA-10 Section 5.5 and Annex paragraphs C.2.6, C.2.6.1, C.2.6.2, C.2.6.3, C.2.6.4, C.2.6.5, and C.2.8)


Submitter Full Name: J. Nerat

Organization: Badger/Kidde Fire Protection

Affilliation: NFPA Industrial Section representitive on NFPA 10


Committee Statement



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Resolution: The type of extinguishers being suggested would require special training that the general public is unlikely to have.


I, J. Nerat, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Except tothe extent that I may lack authority to make an assignment of content identified above, I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyrightassignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am J. Nerat, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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12.2.3

Dispensing devices for CNG, LNG, and LP-Gas shall be listed.


Already required in NFPA 52.


Submitter Full Name: Michael Mackey

Organization: General Physics Corporation


Committee Statement

Resolution: CI-7-NFPA 30A-2012

Statement: The Technical Committee proposes a Task Group, to consist of representatives of this Technical Committee and the Technical Committee on Hydrogen Technologies (NFPA 2), to review all of the provisions of Chapter 12 to confirm existing requirements and identify appropriate new requirements for all alternative fuels and to propose appropriate responses to Public Inputs Nos. 4, 5, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18, 21, 24, and 25.


I, Michael Mackey, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Michael Mackey, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature



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12.3.3*

Aboveground tanks storing CNG, LNG, or LP -Gas shall be separated fromeach other by at least 6 m (20 ft) and from dispensing devices Gas, and dispensing devises that dispense liquid or gaseous motor vehicle fuels by at least 15 m (50 ft).Exception No. 1: This required separation shall not apply to tanks storing fuels that have the same chemical composition.

Exception No. 2: When both the gaseous fuel storage and dispensing equipment are at least 15 m (50 ft) from any other aboveground motor fuel storage or dispensing equipment, the requirements of NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code , or NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code , whichever is applicable, shall apply

fuels shall be rated for the electrical classification of all fuels on site. A spill of one type of motor fuel shall not be allowed to flow into the storage area ofanother type of motor fuel .


None given.





Committee Statement

Resolution: The Technical Committee proposes a Task Group, to consist of representatives of this Technical Committee and Technical Committee on Hydrogen Technologies (NFPA 2), to review all of the provisions of Chapter 12 to confirm existing requirements and identify appropriate new requirements for all alternative fuels and to propose appropriate responses to Public Inputs Nos. 4, 5, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18, 21, 24, and 25.






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12.3.3*

Aboveground tanks storing CNG , or LNG , or LP-Gas shall be separated from each other by at least 6 m (20 ft) as required by NFPA 52 and from dispensing devices that dispense liquid or gaseous motor vehicle fuels by at least 15 3 m (50 10 ft).Exception No. 1: This required separation shall not apply to tanks storing fuels that have the same chemical composition.Exception No. 2: When both the gaseous fuel storage and dispensing equipment are at least 15 m (50 ft) from any other aboveground motor fuel storage or dispensing equipment, the requirements of NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code , or NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum GasCode , whichever is applicable, shall apply.


The existing Section 12.3.3 was based on limited information as noted in Annex A.12.3.3. It did not take into account the requirements of NFPA 52 – 2010 Sections 8.4.2.7 and 12.2.3 for LNG station designs relative to hazards between LNG systems and gaseous fuel systems. The proposed 3m (10 ft) separation distance is based on Section 6.2.1 of 30A-2012 which allows dispensers within 3m (10 ft) of property lines or buildings, thus indication that the hazard recognized is acceptable at a closer distance. Facilities storing LNG or CNG and dispensing motor fuels of different chemical compositions in close proximity to each other should have a common emergency shutdown (ESD) system for the entire station as a common industry standard. The requirements covering LPG should be addressed separately from LNG and CNG since LPG has a specific gravity greater than 1.0 and has different dissipation characteristics in air than CNG and LNG.


Submitter Full Name: DAVID DIXON

Organization: NORTHSTAR INC


Committee Statement



I, DAVID DIXON, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.



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By checking this box I affirm that I am DAVID DIXON, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature



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12.3.3*

Aboveground tanks storing CNG, and LNG, or LP-Gas shall be separated from each other by at least 6 m (20 ft) and from dispensing devices that dispense liquid or gaseous motor vehicle fuels by at least 15 m (50 ft).Exception No. 1: This required separation shall not apply to tanks storing fuels that have the same chemical composition.Exception No. 2: When both the gaseous fuel storage and dispensing equipment are at least 15 m (50 ft) from any other aboveground motor fuel storage or dispensing equipment, the requirements of NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code, or NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, whichever is applicable, shall apply.


The 50 ft requirement in NFPA 30A is too restrictive. Some commercial lots do not have the size to accommodate this distance. Additionally, Annex A in NFPA 30A indicates that the 50-foot requirement was decided upon arbitrarily:A.12.3.3 The selection of the 15 m (50 ft) separation distance for gaseous fuels is based

on the existing separation requirements prescribed in this code. No technical data were available to support different separation distances, and the 15 m (50 ft) distance was considered reasonable and conservative, based on the information available to the technical committee at the time.Based on the information in A.12.3.3 and in view of the requirements in NFPA 58 - 8.4.1.1

(3), which specifies separation distances between LP-Gas containers and dispensing devices for other liquid or gaseous fuels, the distances in Table 12.3.4 are being proposed. NFPA 58 – 8.4.1.1(3) allows cylinders awaiting use or resale to be stored at least 20 ft

from any automotive service station fuel dispenser. If that logic is followed, it would be reasonable to say that the distances in NFPA 58 – 8.4.1.2 would be sufficient for other quantities. The proposed table 12.3.4 is based on those quantities and distances. Example 1: 1000 gals of LP-Gas weighs 4240 lbs. Table 8.4.1.2 allows a 10 ft horizontal

separation distance to exposures. Example 2: 2000 gals of LP-Gas weighs 8480 lbs. Table 8.4.1.2 allows a 20 ft horizontal

separation distance to exposures. This substantiation is based on quantities in cylinders, and then transferring those

quantities to ASME containers, which may present some questions. It could be argued that radiant heat from a fire or even direct impingement would have less effect on an ASME container than it would on cylinders - especially aluminum cylinders.In addition, published research¹ is available that supports the distances in Table 12.3.4. The research project modeled steel propane containers of the sizes referred to in Table 12.3.4 that were exposed to a severe petroleum pool fire 100 feet in diameter for a duration of 30 minutes. The results of the modeling indicated that the temperatures of the container walls were well below the temperature at which steel begins to yield.

¹Journal of Hazardous Materials, “Exposure of a liquefied gas container to an external fire” by Phani K. Raj. Published: April 2006




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Submitter Full Name: Rufus Youngblood

Organization: Ferrellgas LP


Committee Statement



I, Rufus Youngblood, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Ihereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Rufus Youngblood, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature



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12.3.3*

Aboveground tanks storing CNG, or LNG, or LP-Gas shall be separated from each other aboveground tanks containing liquid motor vehicle fuels by at least 6 m (20 ft) and from dispensing devices that dispense liquid or gaseous motor vehicle fuels by at least 15 3 m (50 10 ft).Exception No. 1: This required separation shall not apply to tanks storing fuels that have the same chemical composition.Exception No. 2: When both the gaseous fuel storage and dispensing equipment are at least 15 m (50 ft) from any other aboveground motor fuel storage or dispensing equipment, the requirements of NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code , or NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code , whichever is applicable, shall apply.


The existing section 12.3.3 did not take into account the actual properties of the gaseous fuels, nor the existing requirements of the LNG station design when determining the relative hazards between liquid fuel systems and gaseous fuel systems. This was noted in the annex statement A.12.3.3 when it was stated that there was limited information available to the technical committee at the time of drafting the requirements. The proposed 3m (10 ft) separation distance is based on section 6.2.1 of 30A-2012 which allows dispensers within 3m (10 ft) of property lines or buildings, thus indication the the hazard recognized is acceptable at a 3m (10 ft) separation distance. The changes to the language as proposed provide new separation distance based on years of experience by the industry and the understanding of the hazards by the NFPA 52 technical committee when developing separation distances. See NFPA 52 – 2010 section 8.4.2.7 for the separation between CNG storage and liquid motor vehicle fuel storage and NFPA 52 – 2010 section 12.2.3 that covers spill containment for LNG storage. The language covering LPG should be revised by the 30A TC but placed in a separate section since LPG has a specific gravity greater than 1.0 and does not dissipate in air as does CNG and therefore creates a different hazard to the station.



Organization: Clean Vehicle Education Foundation


Committee Statement





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I, Douglas Horne, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.




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12.3.4 Aboveground containers storing LP Gas shall be separated from dispensing devices that dispense liquid or gaseous motor vehicle fuels in accordance with Table 12.3.4.

*****Insert 30A_L8_Tbl 12.3.4_Rec Here*****



30A_L8a_Tbl 12.3.4_Rec.docx 30A-L8a-Tbl 12.3.4-Rec


The 50 ft requirement in NFPA 30A is too restrictive. Some commercial lots do not have the size to accommodate this distance. Additionally, Annex A in NFPA 30A indicates that the 50-foot requirement was decided upon arbitrarily: A.12.3.3 The selection of the 15 m (50 ft) separation distance for gaseous fuels is based on the existing separation requirements prescribed in this code. No technical data were available to support different separation distances, and the 15 m (50 ft) distance was considered reasonable and conservative, based on the information available to the technical committee at the time. Based on the information in A.12.3.3 and in view of the requirements in NFPA 58 - 8.4.1.1(3), which specifies separation distances between LP-Gas containers and dispensing devices for other liquid or gaseous fuels, the distances in Table 12.3.4 are being proposed. NFPA 58 – 8.4.1.1(3) allows cylinders awaiting use or resale to be stored at least 20 ft from any automotive service station fuel dispenser. If that logic is followed, it would be reasonable to say that the distances in NFPA 58 – 8.4.1.2 would be sufficient for other quantities. The proposed table 12.3.4 is based on those quantities and distances. Example 1: 1000 gals of LP-Gas weighs 4240 lbs. Table 8.4.1.2 allows a 10 ft horizontal separation distance to exposures. Example 2: 2000 gals of LP-Gas weighs 8480 lbs. Table 8.4.1.2 allows a 20 ft horizontal separation distance to exposures. This substantiation is based on quantities in cylinders, and then transferring those quantities to ASME containers, which may present some questions. It could be argued that radiant heat from a fire or even direct impingement would have less effect on an ASME container than it would on cylinders -especially aluminum cylinders. In addition, published research¹ is available that supports the distances in Table 12.3.4. The research project modeled steel propane containers of the sizes referred to in Table 12.3.4 that were exposed to a severe petroleum pool fire 100 feet in diameter for a duration of 30 minutes. The results of the modeling indicated that the temperatures of the container walls were well below the temperature at which steel begins to yield. ¹Journal of Hazardous Materials, “Exposure of a liquefied gas container to an external fire” by Phani K. Raj. Published: April 2006


Submitter Full Name: Rufus Youngblood

Organization: Ferrellgas LP


Committee Statement



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I, Rufus Youngblood, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Ihereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Rufus Youngblood, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature



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12.3.4

Aboveground storage tanks for the storage of CNG, LNG, or LP-Gas shall be provided with physical protection in accordance with 4.3.7. Aboveground storage tanks for the storage of CNG and LNG shall be provided with physical protection in accordance with NFPA 52.


LNG and CNG storage protection requirements are covered in NFPA 52. LNG secondary containment requirements are stated in NFPA 52.





Committee Statement







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12.6.2*

Table 12.6.2 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purpose of installation of electrical wiring and electrical utilization equipment.Table 12.6.2 Electrical Equipment Classified Areas for Dispensing Devices

Extent of Classified Area

Dispensing

Device

Class I,

Division 1

Class I,

Division 2

Compressed

natural gas (CNG)

Entire space within the dispenser enclosure

1.5 m (5 ft) in all directions from dispenser enclosure

Liquefied

natural gas (LNG)

Entire space within the dispenser enclosure and 1.5 m (5 ft) in alldirections from the dispenser enclosure

From 1.5 m (5 ft) to 3 m (10 ft) in all directions from the dispenser enclosure

Liquefied

petroleum gas (LP-Gas)

Entire space within the dispenser enclosure; 46 cm (18 in.) from the exterior surface of the dispenser enclosure to an elevation of 1.22 m (4 ft) above the base of the dispenser; the entire pit or open space beneath the dispenser andwithin 6 m (20 ft) horizontally from any edge of the dispenser when thepit or trench is not mechanically ventilated

Up to 46 cm (18 in.) above ground and within 6 m (20 ft) horizontally from any edge of the dispenser enclosure, including pits or trenches within this area when provided with adequate mechanical ventilation


This table does match Table 12.2.2.4 in NFPA 52. Please revise NFPA 30A to be consistent with NFPA 52, which is a more complete and current standard for LNG and CNG vehicle fueling.




Submittal Date: Fri Jun 22 16:56:35 EDT 2012

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Public Input No. 10-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No. A.12.3.3 ]

A.12.3.3

The selection of the 15 3 m (50 10 ft) separation distance for gaseous fuels is based on the existing separation requirements prescribed in this code . No technical data were available to support different separation distances, and the 15 m (50 ft) distance was considered reasonable and conservative, based on the information available to the technical committee at the time. section6.2.1. Also this distance is based on an understanding of the actual hazards associated with the design of CNG and LNG storage systems. LNG storage is separated from any dispensing equipment by spill containment system and CNG has a specific gravity of less than 1.0 and dissipates in air.


The existing section 12.3.3 did not take into account the actual properties of the gaseous fuels, nor the existing requirements of the LNG station design when determining the relative hazards between liquid fuel systems and gaseous fuel systems. This was noted in the annex statement A.12.3.3 when it was stated that there was limited information available to the technical committee at the time of drafting the requirements. The proposed 3m (10 ft) separation distance is based on section 6.2.1 of 30A-2012 which allows dispensers within 3m (10 ft) of property lines or buildings, thus indication the the hazard recognized is acceptable at a 3m (10 ft) separation distance. The changes to the language as proposed provide new separation distance based on years of experience by the industry and the understanding of the hazards by the NFPA 52 technical committee when developing separation distances. See NFPA 52 – 2010 section 8.4.2.7 for the separation between CNG storage and liquid motor vehicle fuel storage and NFPA 52 – 2010 section 12.2.3 that covers spill containment for LNG storage. The language covering LPG should be revised by the 30A TC but placed in a separate section since LPG has a specific gravity greater than 1.0 and does not dissipate in air as does CNG and therefore creates a different hazard to the station.



Organization: Clean Vehicle Education Foundation


Committee Statement




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I, Douglas Horne, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.




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Public Input No. 25-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No. A.12.3.3 ]

A.12.3.3

The selection of the 15 3 m (50 10 ft) separation distance for gaseous fuels is based on the existing separation requirements prescribed in this code. No technical data were available to support different separation distances, and the 15 m (50 ft) distance was considered reasonable and conservative, based on the information available to the technical committee at the time. This separation distance is based on the setbacks and hazards of LNG and CNG fueling as specified in NFPA 52 and in NFPA 30A para. 6.2.1.


The existing Section 12.3.3 was based on limited information as noted in Annex A.12.3.3. It did not take into account the requirements of NFPA 52 – 2010 Sections 8.4.2.7 and 12.2.3 for LNG station designs relative to hazards between LNG systems and gaseous fuel systems. The proposed 3m (10 ft) separation distance is based on Section 6.2.1 of 30A-2012 which allows dispensers within 3m (10 ft) of property lines or buildings, thus indication that the hazard recognized is acceptable at a closer distance. Facilities storing LNG or CNG and dispensing motor fuels of different chemical compositions in close proximity to each other should have a common emergency shutdown (ESD) system for the entire station as a common industry standard. The requirements covering LPG should be addressed separately from LNG and CNG since LPG has a specific gravity greater than 1.0 and has different dissipation characteristics in air than CNG and LNG.





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Public Input No. 3-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No. D.1.2.6 ]

D.1.2.6 UL Publications.

Underwriters Laboratories Inc., 333 Pfingsten Road, Northbrook, IL 60062-2096.

ANSI/UL 2085, Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, 1997, Revised December 1999 2010 .


Update referenced standard to most recent edition as indicated.




Submittal Date: Wed Apr 18 13:03:46 EDT 2012

Committee Statement


Statement: This First Revision updates the existing referenced standard to its most recent edition and adds entries for references that have been added to Annex A.6.2.3 per First Revision No. 2.






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