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SERIES X VOLUME 5 SPRING 2013 NUMBER 1

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Last Bulletin Sticker………………………...………. Front Officers Re-Elected………………... ………...……...Front Picture of Fern Bates………………...…………….... Front William Bate/Bates from England……………...…... Front William Bates and His Family……………………….Front William of Newton Creek……………………………...521 Obituaries …………………………………………….. 522 Volunteers & Trustees ……………………………….. 524

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OFFICERS RE-ELECTED

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PICTURE OF FERN BATES

In the Winter 2012 Bulletin on page 506 I ran the information on the baby picture of Fern Bates. Shelley Cardiel had ac-quired this picture and shared with us. Shelley has now do-nated and sent, this picture to The Association Library.

William Bate/Bates from England to

Ireland to Newton Creek New Jersey By Sandy Bates

Up to this point we have discussed William of Hanover NJ. Originally, I thought this was my Line and DNA for William of Newton Creek. However if we accept Tho-mas Bates of Wales being the father of William of Hano-ver, then we have to look elsewhere for William of New-ton Creek. This means I have no DNA to establish my William of Newton Creek. A Rolland Bates took the DNA believing he was of the William of Newton line, however he matches the Henry/Nicholas Line out of CT. So that lets me with no proven DNA Line for my Wil-liam. We know that William emigrated from England to Ireland and he was married to a Mary. He had family there and he was put in prison for his Quaker beliefs. After getting out, him and his family, except for a daugh-ter; came to NJ settling at Newton Creek what is now known as the Cottonwood area. We will now look at Ire-land and where William and his family lived.

The following is written by Philip Geoghegan of Ireland, who now owns the homestead of William. We want to give Philip a great Big Thank You for sharing this infor-mation and pictures with us. His web site is: www.ballymurrin.ie/index.html. Here you will find more pictures and information.

William Bates and his Family

lived in Ballymurrin, Quaker

Farmstead, County Wicklow,

Ireland from 1671 to 1681 By Philip Geoghegan

Introduction

My temerity to write about William Bates is not so much initially related to the Quakers or to the name Bates, but to an opportunity to live in a very old farmhouse 30 miles South of Dublin, reputed to have been lived in by Quakers. Little else was known about the history of the place. As architects we were fascinated with the beautiful yet austere appearance of the building and its attractive courtyard layout, and we were curious to put an accurate date on the building of the farmstead.

We contacted the Quaker Historical Library in Dublin, initially in 1995 to help us find out more about Bally-murrin House in Wicklow. We made an appointment and arrived to find a substantial pile of documents on the ta-ble, which we were invited to peruse. They included reg-isters of all births, marriages and deaths in the Wicklow

The signature of William Bates, signed when he was witness to a marriage in County Wicklow

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area and a collection of records of meetings of Quakers. So started our adventure into researches which were well outside our field of expertise as architects; genealogy and history.

Our interest initially was to pin down the date for the building of Ballymurrin House on the site - we were able get close relatively easily, by drawing conclusions from the available information on births, marriages and deaths, and some of the descriptions in the old registers. We dis-covered documentary evidence that the farmstead had been lived in since 1668. As we proceeded, it was evi-dent that the period we were looking at, from the sixteen sixties to the sixteen eighties, was a tumultuous one, es-pecially for religious groups like the Quakers, with per-secution and harassment motivating families to move from England to Ireland in search of a more peaceful and tolerant life.

However, that was not to be the case; their difficulties persisted and many long suffering Irish Quakers saw the opportunity to make a second new life in America, espe-cially in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. William Penn had been 'convinced' and became a Quaker in Ireland, as well as heir to the fortunes of his father, Admiral Sir William Penn. The son's wealthy background and Quaker commitment stimulated him to encourage Quak-ers to seek a new life based on a more liberal agenda and a guarantee of religious freedom.

Meanwhile, back at Ballymurrin in the 1990s, we had embarked on a ten-year program (optimistically) to re-store the house and its outbuildings and to faithfully rep-resent them as a rare example of self-effacing, plain, 17th century architecture. We are still working at it, nineteen years. Our reward is to live in a beautiful, simple house with generous rooms in a stunning undulating landscape, close to the sea in the foothills of the Wicklow 'Mountains'. In 2010, the buildings, very belatedly, were designated as of being of national, historical, architec-tural and cultural interest by our Department of Arts, Heritage and Gaeltacht, after which we opened our doors to the public to show its unique architectural features to the public for sixty days a year.

In summarising our findings here, we wish to allow the facts to shape understanding of the period in which Wil-liam Bates and family made their brief appearance at Ballymurrin. To do justice to that, we have back dated the story to establish from whom the first family settling in Ballymurrin acquired title to the land.

1 Dunganstown Castle, and Sir John Hoey, Knight

We don't have to travel far from Ballymurrin to under-stand its origins. Ballymurrin is in the ancient parish of Ennisboyne, with Dunganstown Castle and Church at its centre. This parish on the East Coast of Ireland, is where St Patrick, according to tradition and scholarly place-name work, is reputed to have landed. He brought Chris-tianity to Ireland in the year 430AD, one thousand and six hundred years ago generating from this church site the parish within which Ballymurrin is situated.

The castle was burned during the Catholic rebellion of 1641. The Protestant Hoey family rebuilt part of the cas-tle and continued as a family in residence until 1850, a tenure of over 250 years. Their legacy is the church at Dunganstown and the ruins of both Castle and the great house.

The Ballymurrin lands, at the time of Cromwell's notori-ous survey of Catholic lands in 1654 and subsequent confiscation, were owned by Sir William Parsons, a Lord Justice, Protestant, who lived at Milltown about three miles away. Sir John Hoey of Dunganstown married his daughter, Jane Parsons. Sometime between 1664 and 1668, 223 acres of land, the townland of 'Ballymooranbegg', (Ballymurrin Lower) was acquired by the Quakers from those families. The first recorded date of Quakers' settling there is 1668.

Ballymurrin Quaker Farmstead, set in its landscape context in County Wicklow, with Wicklow Mountains behind.



(This information is extracted from the book 'Credo', about Dunganstown Parish, by Canon Robert Heavener, published in 1993 by Cromlech Books, Jordanstown, Ireland)

2 The first family recorded to be living in Ballymurin Quaker Farmstead

They were the Judds, Ambrose, born in Brandon Ferry, Suffolk in SE England, and his wife, Jane (Eves), from Leicestershire in England's Midlands. In Ireland, at the time of their marriage, she was living in Ballykeane, about five miles from Ballymurrin, and his parents were living in Dunganstown. Their first born child, Robert was born at 'Ballymorenbeg' on 25th of February 1668. This is the first recorded birth at Ballymurrin Lower, in the original register in the Quaker Historical Library. From the register we know, too, that Ambrose Judd “ husband of Ann Judd (she died in 1724) quietly departed this life at his own habitation in Ballymoran the 17th of the 1st month in 1726/7, in the 95th year of his age and was buried at Friends Burying Place at Ballymorran”. They had nine children between 1668 and 1689. We know from this that Ambrose lived in Ballymurrin (the most recent spelling!) for 58 years, during which time

William Bates made his first appearance on the records.

3 William Bates arrives on the scene, with the help of William Penn

William Bates did indeed live at Ballymurrin Quaker Farmstead, yet it is difficult to find out a great deal more about him and his family, except through the “Collection

of the Sufferings of the People called Quakers” from 1650 to 1689, published in 1753, and a book on “Tithes taken from Irish Quakers”.

Bates family information is informed from recent infor-mation found on “Roots Web's World Connect Project: the Fowler family. It is valuable as it offers approximate dates for the births of William and Mary's children. Wil-liam was born at different dates according to different searches, but between 1635 and 1640. His place of birth is elusive. There is consensus that he was born in Eng-land, and a case made in the Fowler family genealogy, which shows that one of William's daughters, Abigail, married Joshua Hearne from Hartington in Derbyshire, England, shortly after they arrived in New Jersey, sug-gesting that they may have known each others' families at an earlier time. It remains of course to prove this, but it is a credible explanation as many of the Irish Quakers arrived from counties in northern England.

The Bates family is only recorded twice in the Wicklow Quaker Registers as living in Ballymurrin; when a son, Joseph, was born there in 1675; and when their eldest daughter, Elizabeth, (claimed to have been born in Ire-land in 1662), was married to Mark Eves, from Bally-cane, (Ballykeane today) a nearby Quaker house, the first of many strong connections to Ballymurrin. That mar-riage was held in 1680 at Ballycane, shortly before Wil-liam and the rest of the family were to embark in Dublin for New Jersey. His children are recorded, from genea-logical research sources as follows, with their (birth dates: latest source Roots web's World Connect Project: Fowler)

William Bates, Born 1635, in England, Married to Mary Ball

Elizabeth, Born about 1662 in Ireland, married to Mark Eves in 1680, at which time she lived at Ballymoran. She had six children, died in 1690. Mark remarried in 1692, to Elizabeth Grundy and had a further NINE children.

Jeremiah, about 1665, in County Wickloe, Ireland Abigail, Before 1666 in Ireland Sarah, B 1671 in Wickloe Ireland William, about 1672, in Wicklow Co Ireland Joseph, B 23 Dec1675 at Ballymoran, County Wickloe

The ruined shell of mediaeval Dunganstown Castle, foreground, and early 1600s House, behind



Ireland (First Wicklow Quaker record of Bates family)

This is all very difficult to digest, but it leaves in ques-tion the birth dates shown above up to 1671, when there is no evidence of his being in Wicklow as a Quaker. It may be that he lived in the Wicklow area and became a Quaker only around 1671, or that he lived outside Wick-low, perhaps in Dublin, and travelled around to make his living as master builder / carpenter. The Quaker records are not all digitized in Ireland, but we shall follow up the issue in the Quaker Historical Library in Dublin.

The following pieces of information are limited, but they do give some sense of a committed man of integrity. He attended the Wicklow Monthly meetings, as well as the constituent meetings at Ballymurrin and would have been influenced by the strength of character of Thomas Trafford, who stood up to the harassment of the ‘so-called Quakers’, then seen as a term of defamation. It cost him dearly, by imprisonment in the jail at Wick-low...He was already in jail - two years for non-payment of tithes (taxes due to the established Anglican church),- when one of the first Wicklow monthly meetings was broken up and the participants imprisoned.

This extract from the Sufferings tells us that William Bates was in Wicklow in 1671. He was arrested along with eighteen other Quakers named “at a Meeting in the House of Thomas Trafford in Wicklow and committed to Wicklow Gaol. At the following sessions they were in-dicted, and on refusing to enter into Bonds to traverse the indictment, were all of them, except one, committed to prison”.

Another extract, from The Rise and Progress of People Called Quakers records John Bank's visit from England in 1671 which initiated the setting up of a Meeting House in Wicklow: “...on his return to Dublin he went to Wicklow again, there being a letter from thence signify-ing that the people desired another Meeting, which, not withstanding the opposition of the Priest, was held there peaceably,...and although the Priest, as soon as he had the opportunity, began to prosecute and imprison Friends for Tythes, and such like things, and got several put into prison that came to visit that place, yet Truth prospered,

and a Meeting was set up in that town and still continu-eth.”

The Taking and Paying of Tithes

Quakers had a conscientious objection to the payment of tithes to the local representatives of the established church, which they regarded as anti-christian. The Book of “Tythes taken from Irish Quakers, a Testimony against taking and paying of Tythes” records the punish-ments and confiscations over a period of nearly forty years from 1650 to 1689, when King William and Queen Mary oversaw the enactment of the Act of Toleration, granted to Protestant Dissenters, which initiated a grad-ual change in the treatment of Quakers.

The frequent occasions when Tythes were extracted in kind and by force continued until at least 1680; two ex-amples here are quoted from the Wicklow Register of Sufferings which involved William Bates directly and a further example of petty aggravation, a form of harass-ment which affected every Quaker.

(1678), “ Mark Newby (who travelled to West Jersey with William) and William Bates had three carloads and a half of hay worth nine shillings forcibly taken from them for ye use of Priest Stanton for tithe”

(1680)“ William Baite had taken from him, by David Willcock one spade and one pair of hand bellows worth four shillings for two shillings and six pence: demanded for the use aforesaid”.

(1680): Thomas Trafford is punished “...for opening his shop upon the twenty fifth day of the 12th month (called Christmas day) and was committed to prison by James Stanly, deputy sovereign and kept till night. As Quakers disapproved of Christmas Day and its excesses, this ap-pears to have been a small, but deliberate act of civil dis-obedience...

The records of the sufferings of Quakers run to hundreds of pages and two volumes and serve to explain the diffi-cult lives and constant harassment by civil authority, and the attraction for Quakers of emigration to a more liberal life in America.

William Bates was one of those who decided that Ireland

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had not fulfilled the promise of peaceful times antici-pated from his home in England, and he took steps to emigrate:

During the decade of the 1670s, notable Quaker, William Penn, son of Admiral Sir William Penn was authorised to set up a haven in the New World for persecuted Quakers. Before this he had been charged by his father to look after extensive lands and property in Cork County, Ire-land, during which time he became “convinced” and joined the Quakers, suffering imprisonment briefly, which strengthened his resolve to seek a better life for Quakers. His father's connection with King and Court were a major factor in his achievements in the States of New Jersey, Delaware, and Pennsylvania as it was to become.

The grant to his father of about 400,000 square miles of land in America from King Charles II, in March 1681, included the present State of Pennsylvania, parts of New Jersey and Delaware. Not a small gift for favours re-ceived…all of which was confirmed by the King in an Indenture of 1682 which gave absolute ownership to twenty four proprietors altogether.

In 1681, at much the same time, William Bates embarked on his voyage to New Jersey, He had acquired a Certifi-cate of share in land for 250 acres in the Irish Tenth in 1677 from William Penn in Dublin. Robert Turner of Dublin also received deeds at that time. He became Wil-liam Penn's agent and fellow landowner in West Jersey. In April 1681 his eldest daughter, Elizabeth produced a granddaughter, Abigail, born at Ballintuskin (now Bal-lyteskin, three miles from Ballymurrin) . Three months later, he received his Irish Certificate (that he was a suit-able Quaker for a new community), along with Mark Newby , County Wicklow, Ireland (originally written incorrectly as Bellicare in Immigration of Irish Quakers) on the 21st June 1681. Equipped with his Certificate, along with four other colleagues, William chartered a ship from Dublin and set sail for New Jersey on the 19th September to arrive safely at Salem, New Jersey on the 18th November after a voyage of two months. And the rest, as they say, is history…

4 William Bates in New Jersey

The latter part of this extraordinary story will be known to Bates Bulletin readers as it is this source which took us into exploration of the life in New Jersey of William and his family, so well recorded in two books of the nineteenth century, and clarified by the New Jersey State Archives. However, I will reproduce some of the account of his colleague, Thomas Sharp, which relates their arri-val in New Jersey and the subsequent choice of lands. I found it both poetic and exciting as it made it easy to imagine the huge significance of that arrival in a new land and a new life. Many of you will have read this be-fore, but it is good to replay that arrival.

“ And, by the good providence of God we arrived in the Capes of Delaware the eighteenth day of November fol-lowing, and so up the bay until we came to Elsenburg, and were landed with our goods and families at Salem, where we abode the winter. But it being very favourable weather and purchasing a boat amongst us, we had an opportunity to make search up and down in that which is called the Third Tenth which had been reserved for the proprietors dwelling in Ireland, where we might find a place suitable for so many of us to settle down together, being in these early times somewhat doubtful of the Indi-ans, and at last pitched down by that which is now called Newton Creek, as the most invitingest place to settle down by, and then we went to Burlington, and made ap-plication to the commissioners that we might have war-rants directed to Daniel Leeds, the Surveyor General, to survey unto every of us so much land as by the constitu-tion at the time was allotted or a settlement, being five hundred acres or what we had a right to which accord-ingly we obtained...

All which of us, excepting William Bates who took on the southerly side of Newton Creek, we took our land in one tract together for one thousand seven hundred and fifty acres, bounding in the forks of Newton Creek and over to Cooper's Creek…”

William Bates went on to have a distinguished position as representative of the Third Tenth of West Jersey and acted as a public servant in planning the highways of the



State. He is also thought to have built the first Meeting house -” There can be no doubt who planned and built the first meeting house at Newton in 1684; who con-structed the plain unpretending galleries, in which sat the forefathers of this people…” (Sketches of the First Emi-grant Settlers in Newton Township)

William died in 1700 and was buried in Newton Friends' Burying Ground. I am not aware that his memorial tomb-stone is still in existence, but I do have an image of the Place.

His story; the challenge of his life in difficult times; his skills as a master builder; the will to stand up to harass-ment and imprisonment, the determination to find a ha-ven for himself and his family; his family's befriending of the Indians; and his service in the administration and government of New Jersey, have brought to life, for me and no doubt for others, the processes by which families struggled to achieve a lasting peace and a future, when the New World became a renewed focus for freedom and

liberty of spirit.

References

The assistance of the Quaker Historical Library was in-valuable, especially Glynn Douglas. He has visited the house as well as digitizing specially the Wicklow Quak-ers archive of Births, Marriages and Deaths, a major task which has greatly facilitated the knowledge of who lived where in the area around Ballymurrin.

Three books are of real value to better background:

Sketches of the First Emigrant Settlers in Newton Town-ship, John Clement, British Library Historical Print Edi-tions, British Library, 1877.

Immigration of the Irish Quakers into Pennsylvania, 1682-1750 : with their early history in Ireland (1902) Author: Myers, Albert Cook, 1874-1960 Publisher: Swarthmore, Pa. : The author

A History of the Rise and Progress of the People Called Quakers in Ireland, Thomas Wight, Cork, printed in Dublin,1751. An original copy of this book was given to us in 2012 by Ross and Robina Chapman of Newry in Northern Ireland, following their visit to Ballymurrin, as a gesture of great kindness and support for our work in Ballymurrin.

We have a website, www.ballymurrin.ie for the Old Milking Parlour and one for the House, www.ballymurrinquakerfarmstead.eu

5 Ballymurrin House and The Burying Place at Bally-murrin

Ballymurrin was home for William Bates and his family for at least a decade, from 1671 to 1681. When he ar-rived Ambrose and Anne Judd were living on the site, probably in a small cottage, which is still there, but ru-ined behind the main house. It is likely that it was Wil-liam who exercised his skills as a builder and architect, and worked for a number of years to craft a significant architectural piece, a beautifully proportioned house with generous rooms, not at all grandiose but simple and “serviceable to truth” as Quakers would have wished. Upon completion of the house there was room for at least

Original map from 1700 showing William Bates' plot, No 2, at Newton Creek, is superimposed on a recent Google Map which shows the position of his land relative to the Delaware River and the Centre of Philadelphia. The plot is approximately 4 miles South of the centre of Philadelphia, between the S. White Horse Turnpike and the S. Black Horse Turnpike



three families; William, his wife and six children were in occupation during their abode in Wicklow.

Ballymurrin was a substantial farm of 223 acres, which would have needed a number of people to work the land. It is still an undulating landscape little changed by mod-ern development and recalling the character of its past use by its mature hedgerows of deciduous trees, oak, ash and beech, with hedges of holly, whitethorn, gorse, hazel and brambles. The land is very good and the climate is benign, so there is good growing for cereals and grazing for cattle. The farm probably began with what we call the cottage behind the main house, but within a decade it grew to include a five bay main house and a building attached and linked to it which was a combination of residential and agricultural accommodation. At some time, maybe fifty years later, a further two bays were added to produce a dower cottage, a place for the widow to live in as the next generation took over the running of the farm. This range of buildings in a straight line stretched to about 160 feet in length, and 16ft deep, the depth of a single room. On either side and creating a rec-tangular courtyard, extended a cow shed on side and a stable and cart shed on the other. The courtyard origi-nally was divided to incorporate a working yard on the cow shed side and a walled garden in front of the main house. There were several separate buildings behind the courtyard buildings, difficult to imagine all their uses but the 1911 census identified the outbuildings uses as 13, and gave us this list: 1 stable, 1 coach house, 3 cow houses, 2 calf houses, 1 dairy, 1 piggery, 1 fowl house, 1 boiling house, 1 shed and 1 store. Some of the smaller buildings are unroofed and derelict now, as the farm has been divided from the farmstead, where we live, and there is no longer agricultural activity in the buildings.

The farmstead had its own burying ground on the lands and close to the house. This has great historical signifi-cance, too, as many well known Quakers were buried there including Elizabeth Eves, nee Bates, as well as the parents and three of the children of the Judd family, first residents of Ballymurrin. Although some 110 people are buried there from the Wicklow area, there are only four headstones. Quakers gave up using headstones in 1671,

because they believed in equality of people and their spirit and did not agree with the trend for headstones to become ornate and grandiose. This constraint was dropped in the 1850s: the Pim family, prominent Quak-ers at Ballymurrin in the eighteenth and nineteenth cen-tury have four headstones in one corner of the burying ground. The place today is a walled rectangular area with mown grass and trees around the edge, a place of quiet and solitude. The burying ground was transferred into ownership of the 'Society of People called Quakers' in 1812 from the Pim family.

We have rescued the building named as Dairy in the cen-sus. We are fairly sure that it contained a forge with a massive chimney, still there. Two kitchens survive, both with walk-in chimneys and bread ovens to the side. We use the loft upstairs as a studio, and the dairy is now in habitable residential use, although with minimal changes.

The 3 cow houses listed were derelict when we arrived. We converted them into our 'Old Milking Parlour', which we rent out to visitors as self catering accommodation. In the renovation we were careful to retain the features and character of the original building

The stables had an unfortunate event two winters ago when extreme rain affected the stability of the roof which collapsed. We rebuilt that and have it dry, but unused; awaiting, perhaps its conversion to a Quaker Museum, where William Bates will be given a prominent place.

The garden surrounding the house, about one and a half acres, had an orchard to the rear and a walled garden at the front. This is one of our future projects, to reestablish the orchard and walled garden, but not for a while…

Come for the Gathering

This year has been called 'The Gathering' in Ireland. It is an invitation to all people who have Irish connections to visit Ireland during 2013 to join in the celebrations. To any of the Bates Association who would like to join in, we do invite you to come and see us and maybe stay in the Old Milking Parlour. We would also show you the houses around and the Quaker village of Ballitore about 35 miles away in County Kildare.

We feel very privileged to be the owners of a house so



redolent of its historical events. We are not Quakers, yet we have developed an insistent admiration for their com-mitment and their history in Ireland of acts of extreme generosity, especially during the great famine, which will never be forgotten. The reputation of the Quakers in our immediate area is very good because they were willing to hide catholic priests during penal times and they pro-vided the land for the building of a Catholic chapel at the time of religious emancipation in 1830.

We love the house, its simplicity of design, whilst being proportioned so expertly, and its stunning immediate land-scape which is our daily view, and above all the sense of its three hundred years of habitation and memories.

Philip and Delphine Geoghegan

Ballymurrin Quaker Farmstead from 1668, is seen from the courtyard. The main part of the house is on the right; the pink facade with five bays. To the left is a building, attached to the main building, with a residential part clos-est to the main building, one room up and one down. The wide and low doors are to accommodate animals, the middle one giving access to a forge with its large chimney. All the windows of this building were enlarged in the last century.

The ruins of the single storey cot-tage behind the house which may have been the first building on the site. The massive round stone wall is a gatepost to an originally covered but open area for carts.

The rear of the Old Milking Parlour can be seen be-low the ruin.

The Quakers' Burying Place is a walled garden with a single gate. This view is from inside and shows how the ground is without headstones although 110 Quakers from the Wicklow area are buried. There are four more recent headstones of the Pim family from the 19th century, when headstones were allowed, one of which catches the evening sun on the right. The Burying Place was laid out on the lands of Ballymurrin and first used in 1673, for Bridget Boardman an infant aged 2 years. Elizabeth Bates, William and Mary's eldest daughter died in 1690, and is buried here.

The two images below show the old milking parlour, converted to residential use in 2004, with before and after images.

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WILLIAM OF NEWTON CREEK, CONT. By Sandy Bates

The following write up is what I perceive this Line to be. Early writers like Clements and Lamb and Rolland Bates among others have put info out. Some I can agree with and some I just cannot make myself agree with. The big-gest confusion is with two Joseph Bates one dying 1731 and one 1734. The one in 1731 married to an Elizabeth is the one I strongly feel is in the line of William of New-ton Creek. The one of 1734 married to Mercy Clements, I strongly believe is of the John of Long Island Line. During the past I feel these two were interchanged so much that wrong descendants were attached to each. I have studied all of the material for so many years now. I have decided to just finally put together, to the best of my knowledge; the info I have. Others may not agree with me. I have tried repeatedly to find proof I need, and it is just so elusive.

John Clement wrote a letter to DS Lamb May 18, 1891 in which he states the following: “I send you a correc-tion in regard to Joseph Bates which may throw some light on the Bates. Found in an old deed after Clement’s book was printed. Page 52 5th paragraph reads. This per-son came from Long Island previous to his settlement here, as in some of deeds adjoining lands he is called

Long Island Joseph Bates, doubtless to distinguish him from another of like name hereabouts and may throw some doubt on statement made of his being a son of Wil-liam of Newton. Records show death of 2 Joseph Bates, One d 1731 wife Elizabeth, children Abigail marr Sam-uel Lippincott, marr 1743 at Evesham meeting. Lived in Pilesgrove, Salem Co NJ. Joseph, Samuel, Joshua, Mercy, Elizabeth. Many of this branch still reside in this section in 1877.

So I write the following, taking full responsibly for it’s content.

1. William Bate came from England to Ireland, date of arrival there not documented. In Quaker records his wife is listed as Mary, some say last name of Ball. They had the following children:

2. Elizabeth Bate b abt 1662

2. Jeremiah Bate b abt 1665.

2. Abigail Bate b abt 1666.

2. Sarah Bate b abt 1671.

2. William Bate b abt 1672.

2. Joseph Bate b 23 Dec 1675. (Continued on pg. 523)

Above, and right: Original features, the stall divisions and original bracing beams, have been reained. The roof had to be replaced, but retained the original sizing of rafters and collars. Roof lights were used to allow light to penetrate with-out changing wall openings.



Harold & President Sandy, lose

their Granddaughter

In the afternoon of Sunday, Jan 13th our Grand-daughter Megan Baril was a passenger in a car that went into a snow bank and then hit a telephone pole. Megan was knocked unconscious and never re-gained consciousness. She was put on life support. Monday morning at 11 am she was pronounced. She was hooked up again as she was an organ donor. It was agonizing days for the family, and they finally took her Tuesday night to harvest her organs. She spent several years of her life here on the farm.

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Association Members Bobby & Sue

Bates lose Dad, Arlo Bates In the Summer 2009 Bulletin, front page we have a picture of Arlo, Bobby and also Arlo’s father Winfield. Then on page 351 begins their Family Line being the Francis of Ipswich Line, which they have a double Line. Our prayers go out to Bobby & Sue and their Family.

Rev. Dan Bates, 88, died Wednesday March 6, 2013 at Jack-son Madison Co. General Hospital. He was born March 25, 1924 in Hillsdale, MI the son of the late Robert Bates and Maude Fairbanks Bates. He graduated from Ben Franklin High School in Cedar Rapids, IA in 1942; graduated from Union University with a BA in 1946 and from Southwestern Semi-nary with a Master of Religious Education in 1948. He met his future wife of 65 years Martha Frances Rainey at West Jack-son Baptist Church in 1942 and they were married June 3, 1945 at West Jackson by Dr. R.E. Guy. Dan began his career as Baptist Student Union Director at the University of Florida, then Arkansas. He then served as Minister of Education in churches in Tennessee, Virginia, Mississippi and North Caro-lina. He was a member of the Exchange Club since 1955 and received the Distinguished Staff Award from Union University in 1988. Rev. Dan’s advice on how to live a happy life “Be active in church, Love your family and treat all people with respect.”

He is survived by his son Robert Frank “Bobby” Bates and wife Sue Gilmore Bates of Wildersville, TN; a daughter Diane Deschenes and husband Paul of Jackson, TN; Two grandchil-dren, Daniel and Anna Marie Deschenes of Jackson, TN and several nieces and nephews.

He was preceded in death by his wife Martha Frances (Rainey) Bates, grandson Gabriel Bates, brothers Erwin E., Austin F. both of MI and sister Vera L. Martin of IN.

Memorials may be directed to the Carl Pekins Center Center for the Prevention of Child Abuse, P.O. Box 447 Jackson, TN 38302.

Funeral services will be held at 11:30 AM Saturday, March 9, 2013 in the chapel of Arrington Funeral Directors with Rev. Lonnie Sanders officiating. Entombment will follow in High-land Memorial Gardens Mausoleum.

The family will be receiving friends on Saturday, March 9, 2013 from 10:00 AM until 11:30 AM at Arrington Funeral Directors 148 W. University Parkway, (731)668-1111 www.arringtonfuneralgroup.com.

Cemetery Highland Memorial Gardens 3360 N. Highland Ave. Jackson, TN 38305 (731)668-0370

1. William Bate was put into prison for his Quaker be-liefs. When he was released, he his wife Mary; and fam-ily set sail from Dublin, Ireland 16 Sept 1681. Came in the pink “Ye Owners Adventure”. They arrived at the Cape of Del. 18 Nov 1681. Landed goods and family at Elsinburg. They stayed in Salem for the winter. When the weather was favorable they bought a boat and searched up and down for ye Third tenth of land reserved for these dwelling in Ireland. Pitched by Newton Creek and made application for a settlement of 500 acres. Wil-liam Bate/Bates a twentieth on southerly side of Newton Creek. William took 250 acres and two years later an-other 250. Also bought more lands, as he bequeathed 400 acres to his son Joseph. In 1681 they held their first meeting of Old Gloucester Co. In 1684 William erected the log meeting house, called Newton Quaker Meeting House. William was a carpenter and a master builder. In 1817 this building burned. In 1683/4 William served in State Legislature as a Representative from the Third, or Irish, Tenth District. William was appointed constable and a layer of highways in 1684. He followed an old In-dian Trail from Delaware River to Egg Harbor. This is now known as the Black Horse Pike. At a Quarterly Friends meeting, held at New Salem, June 26, 1689 Wil-liam was in attendance. At this meeting it was ordered, that William attend the yearly meeting; being held at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. At the Salem meeting of, June 25, 1690; William was one of the executors of one John White. From the Burlington Court Book dated 1684 appeared William Bates to give account of lands in his possession 260 acres, an undivided parte and hath noe parte of Towne bounds.

In the Old Newton Friends Burial Ground rests the re-mains of William, along with others.

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Membership Committee............Terri Bates Black, Sandy Bates, Carol Seward, Cindy Waltershausen

Directory...................................Terri Bates Black & Sandy Bates

Communications Coordinator........................... Terri Bates Black

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Backup Communications Coordinator..........................Stan Bates

Web Site............................................................Terri Bates Black

Back-up Web Site........Derek LaPointe, Computerconscript.com

Historian-VA....................................................Wayne Witt Bates

Head of DNA Project......Wayne Witt Bates, [email protected]

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President......................................................................Sandy Bates 222 Line Rd, Greene, ME 04236, [email protected]

President Emeritus……………………………C. Benjamin Bates, [email protected]

Executive Vice President……………........James Cleveland Bates 192 South St, Rockport, MA 01966, [email protected]

Resident Agent............................................................Lynne Bates 11 Meadow Lane Apt 2, Bridgewater Mass 02324

Treasurer....................................Mary Lou Bishop & Sandy Bates

Secretary of Treasurer…C. Benjamin Bates, [email protected]

Computer Chair..........................Spence Klein, [email protected]

Editor................. ..............Terri Bates Black [email protected]

Librarian......................................................................Sandy Bates

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