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Page 1: The Intersection of 5150 and Conservatorship · The Intersection of 5150 and Conservatorship Michael Phillips, Esq Jewish Family Service of San Diego. When 5150 and Conservatorship
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The Intersection of 5150 and Conservatorship

Michael Phillips, EsqJewish Family Service of San Diego

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When 5150 and Conservatorship Intersect

Presented byMike Phillips, Esq.

Jewish Family Service Patient Advocacy Program3

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5150 Overview• 5150: Detain and transport to an LPS facility

• 5151: Assessment to determine the appropriateness of the involuntary detention

• 5152: Admission involuntarily, pursuant to the above

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Rights Lost Under 5150• Aside from being detained against the individual’s will, none

• Short duration (up to 72 hours)

• Potential weapons prohibition might kick in, if the patient is admitted pursuant to Danger to Self or Danger to Others

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Advantages of Conservatorship

• More protection against abuse of the conservatee, because the court supervises the conservator

• Conservator must file an inventory listing with the court

• Structured mechanism for managing the incapacitated person’s affairs

• Helpful when the individual is reluctant to accept assistance

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Disadvantages of Conservatorship• Court is heavily involved

• Substantial costs in attorney’s fees, filing fees, and investigator’s fees

• Conservatee’s assets become a matter of public record

• Need to continually return to the court for approval of certain transactions

• Potential for massive loss of individual rights for the conservatee

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Ways to Avoid Conservatorship

• Power of Attorney for Health Care (PAHC)

• Durable Power of Attorney for Financial Matters (DPAFM)

• These need to be arranged for in advance, and entered into with the consent of all parties

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Types of Conservatorships

• Probate Conservatorship of the Person

• Probate Conservatorship of the Estate

• Limited Conservatorship

• LPS Conservatorship

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Probate Conservatorship of the Person

• Conservator appointed for someone who cannot sufficiently provide for his or her personal needs for physical health, food, clothing or shelter

• Judge has discretion to limit the conservator’s powers

• Rights not taken away (unless the judge decides otherwise):

• Marriage• Voting• Consent to Medical Treatment• Wills

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Probate Conservatorship of the Estate

• Conservator appointed to manage another person’s financial matters

• The conservatee must be substantially unable to manage his or her financial resources or resist fraud or undue influence

• Conservatee does not have the legal capacity to enter into transactions

• Court may broaden or restrict the conservatee’s power to enter into transactions

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Limited Conservatorship• Set up for adults with developmental disabilities who cannot fully care for themselves, but who do not need the higher level of care or help given under a general conservatorship

• Generally, the conservator has less authority than a general conservator

• The judge tailors the conservatorship, deciding which powers the conservatee will keep, and which powers the conservator will be granted

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LPS Conservatorship

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Legislative Intent of LPS Conservatorship

• To provide individualized treatment, supervision, and placement  [WIC §5350.1]

• The court shall consider the purposes of protection of the public and the treatment of the conservatee [WIC §5350(b)(2)]

• A conservator will not be appointed if the former will not result  [WIC §5350(b)(2)]

• Least restrictive setting [WIC §5358(c)(1)]15

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LPS Conservatorship Applies to Grave Disability Only

Grave Disability defined:

“A condition in which a person, as a result of a mental health disorder, is unable to provide for his or her basic personal needs for food, clothing, or shelter.”   [WIC §5008(h)(1)(A)]

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Pathway to LPS Conservatorship• 5150 – Can lead to 72‐hour hold

• 5250 – 14‐day hold

• 5270 – 30‐day hold  (designed to reduce the number of LPS conservatorships)

• In practice, an individual generally needs to be hospitalized multiple times in a short period of time

• Conservatorship is initiated by treating physician

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Rights Removed From Conservatee

• Possessing a Driver’s License

• Entering into contracts

• Voting

• Refuse or consent to treatment related to grave disability

• Refuse or consent to treatment unrelated to grave disability (the Court must make a specific determination regarding imposition of this disability)

• Possession of a firearm18

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Powers Granted to Conservator• Placement in the least restrictive setting (as designated by the court)

• Placement which achieves the purposes of treatment of the conservatee and protection of the public

• Require conservatee to receive treatment related to remedying the underlying grave disability

• Require conservatee to receive routine medical treatment related to remedying the underlying grave disability

• Surgery requires the consent of the conservatee, or a court order

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Rights Retained by Conservatee

Undeniable rights include:• Treatment services which promote the potential of the person to function independently

• Dignity, privacy and humane care

• Freedom from harm, including unreasonable restraint, isolation, medication, abuse or neglect

• Prompt medical care and treatment

• Religious freedom and practice

• Publicly supported education20

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Rights Retained by Conservatee(cont.)

• Social interaction and community activities

• Physical exercise and recreational opportunities

• Free from hazardous procedures

• Refuse convulsive treatment

• Refuse psychosurgery

• Access to a Patient Advocate

• Other rights, as specified by regulation21

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Rights Retained by Conservatee(cont.)

Deniable rights (with Good Cause) include:

• Wear own clothes, keep personal possessions, spend a reasonable sum of money

• Access to individual storage space

• To see visitors each day

• Make and receive confidential phone calls

• Access to letter writing materials

The rights specified above may not be waived by the conservator. [WIC §5325(1)]

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Get a Copy of the Conservatorship!

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Pro Tips• Does the conservatorship actually exist?• Do you have a hard copy of it?• What does it say?

• Not necessarily what does the conservator say• What does your counsel/risk administration say?

• What kind of conservatorship is it?• Is it expired?• Has it lapsed?• Is the person claiming to be the conservator actually who they claim to be?

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How Long Does an LPS Conservatorship Last?

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Conservatorship Timelines• LPS Temporary Conservatorships are valid for no more than 30 days (unless the conservatee demands a court or jury trial; then, no longer than 6 months)

• LPS Permanent Conservatorships are valid for one year, and are renewable for periods of one year

• Probate Conservatorships are valid indefinately

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What Happens 

When an LPS Conservatee Ends Up in the 

ED?27

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LPS Conservatee in the ED• Make reasonable attempts to determine if a conservatorship is in place

• Utilize 5150 until LPS Conservatorship is confirmed

• If possible, consult with conservator and/or case manager

• EMTALA applies to psychiatric disturbances, and the patient must be stabilized prior to transfer

• Surgery (and presumably similar procedures) are authorized when conservatee faces loss of life or serious bodily injury (apparently without consent of the conservator or conservatee)

• It is always best to obtain consent, if at all possible28

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Must Law Enforcement      Transport LPS Conservatees?

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Law Enforcement Transport of LPS Conservatees

• Conservators can request law enforcement to detain AWOL conservatees and return them to the facility where they have been placed

• Conservators can request law enforcement to detain conservatees and transport them to “the county designated treatment facility”

• This often causes law enforcement to feel that they are a taxi service

• Compare to 5150 where the individual must appear to the officer to be danger to self, danger to others or gravely disabled in order to transport

• Requests for transport of LPS conservatees must be made in writing and must be accompanied by certified copies of the letters of conservatorship 30

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Are LPS Conservatorships Valid in Other 

Counties, States or Countries?

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Validity in Other Jurisdictions• LPS Conservatorships should be honored throughout the State of California

• There is much debate as to whether LPS Conservatorships should be given full faith and credit in other states and countries

• Similarly, there is much debate as to whether conservatorships from other states and countries should be given full faith and credit here in California

• Conservatorships from other states and countries can be written very broadly or very narrowly

• Read the non‐LPS conservatorship carefully, to see what powers it bestows

• Consult your risk management and/or counsel• Case by case analysis is the best approach

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Weapons Reporting Requirementsfor Mental Health Clients on LPS 

Conservatorships

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WIC CODE §8103(e)(1)

• Persons on LPS conservatorship:

• No person on conservatorship shall purchase or receive, or attempt to purchase or receive, or shall have in his or her possession, custody, or control any firearm or deadly weapon IF:

Court finds that the above would     present a danger to self or others

• Weapons ban ends when conservatorship ends34

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Federal Law• Federal law provides for a lifetime firearms prohibition for persons who have been “adjudicated as a mental defective” or “committed to a mental institution” [Section 922(g)(4) of 18 U.S.C. and 27 C.F.R. § 478.11]

• Department of Justice interprets this to apply to persons placed on a 5250, 5260, or 5270 and who have lost their certification review hearing

• There is some debate about this interpretation

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Discharge Planning and the LPS Conservatee

• When a facility serving the conservatee determines that treatment there is no longer needed, the conservator shall find alternative placement within 7 days

• This deadline can be extended to 30 days if unusual conditions or circumstances preclude alternative placement

• If placement cannot be found after 30 days, the parties shall confer to resolve the conflict

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Building Cooperative Relationships

• Bring the relevant parties to the table: facilities and treating clinicians, law enforcement, EMS, transport, county administration, consumers and families

• Establish productive community meetings that meet regularly

• Hold each other accountable

• Win the war, not the battle37

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Building Cooperative Relationships

(cont.)

• Transparency: Call out community problem areas and expect the entire community to work to solve it

• Bring solutions to the table• Work for solutions within the system, 

making better use of existing resources while also advocating for system change

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Questions?

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Contact Info:

Mike Phillips, Esq.Director of Patient Advocacy

[email protected]:  619‐300‐2222

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