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HR-8-12 Static Backset Measurement Comparison of methods

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Page 1: TNO Presentation - UNECE Homepage · PDF file• SAE manikin positioning has large influence on head restraint distance • Need for more tight requirement on SAE manikin positioning

HR-8-12

Static Backset Measurement

Comparison of methods

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Aims

• Comparison of static backset measurement of head restraints• Evaluate EuroNCAP protocol• Evaluate UTAC alternative• Recommendations for a method

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Methods

Measure backset using five methods• Proposed EuroNCAP protocol using

• H-point SAE Manikin (OSCAR)• Head Restraint Measuring Device (HRMD)• No preload to head restraint

• Proposed EEVC WG20 procedure• Similar to EuroNCAP, but with 10 N preload to backset probe

• Alternative proposal from UTAC (not used in the end)• Explained in next pages

• 3D FARO measurement without HRMD• Like UTAC, but seat loaded with SAE manikin

• 3D FARO measurement without HRMD, without SAE manikin• Like UTAC without preload• Like UTAC with 10 N preload to backset probe

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UTAC proposal: replace HRMD with 2 link bar

Car manufacturer

design torso angle

505.5

mm

205 m

m

292 mm

Line through H-point of the dummy and rotation point of the HRMD

rotation point of the HRMD to align it horizontally

Head to HR distance

73mm

-3°

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UTAC proposal, simplified tool

Torso bar

Neck bar

Backset Probe

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UTAC proposal made even more simple

• Use SAE manikin to determine H-point (or start from R-point in the car) and seat back angle

• Measure H-point on 2 sides of manikin with 3D FARO arm• Determine:

• Probe height which is needed for backset measurement• Virtual location of the back of the HRMD head• Using mathematical equations + manikin and HRMD dimensions

• Adjust the probe to calculated height

• Push probe against the head restraint (3 methods evaluated)• With SAE manikin in the seat, without probe preload• Without SAE manikin, without probe preload• Without SAE manikin, with 10 N probe preload

• Measure backset with 3D FARO arm

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Comments to UTAC proposal

• Method should work fine, but the values found were different from those proposed by UTAC

• Average distance from H-point to HRMD rotation point was 505.9 mm (TNO) instead of 505.5 mm (UTAC)

• Average angle difference between seat back angle and line through H-point and HRMD rotation point was -1.9 deg (TNO) instead of -3 deg (UTAC)

• Ending up with backset differences of 13 -15 mm• Of course these values are related to combined SAE machine

and HRMD!• Standardising the analytical values solves these problems and

does not interfere with any combinations of these tools!

• For the static measurements presented here, the height of the probe as measured with HRMD was taken for valid comparison

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Test rigs: HRMD and PortalMeasurements done with FARO

• Regular measurement• With SAE manikin and HRMD

• Without preload (EuroNCAP)• With preload of 10 N (EEVC)

• Portal measurement @ height of HRMD

• With SAE manikin loading seat• Without manikin

• Without preload (UTAC)• With preload 10 N for comparison

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Comparison of methods

• Largest difference is between seats of one type, not method used

45.0

50.0

55.0

60.0

65.0

70.0

B1 B2 B4 C3 C4 C7 E10 E15 E1

Seat Type

Hea

d re

stra

int d

ista

nce

[mm

]

HRMD + Manikin + 0 N(EuroNCAP)

HRMD + Manikin + 10N (EEVC WG20)

No HRMD + Manikin +0 N

No Manikin + 0 N

No Manikin + 10 N

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Comparison with EuroNCAP method (1)

Head restraint distance

50.0

55.0

60.0

65.0

70.0

50.0 55.0 60.0 65.0 70.0

HRMD + Manikin + 0 N preload [mm]

Alte

rnat

ive

[mm

]

HRMD + Manikin + 0N preloadHRMD + Manikin + 10N preloadNo HRMD + Manikin +0 N preloadNo manikin + 0 NpreloadNo manikin + 10 Npreload

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Comparison with EuroNCAP method (2)

• Applying 10 N preload is used to prevent very soft head restraints. This always increases the head restraint distance measurement by average 3.5 mm.

• Not using the HRMD, but with the SAE manikin in the seat decreases the head restraint distance by average 0.1 mm (average absolute deviation is 0.6 mm). Not significant!

• Not loading the seat with a manikin decreases the head restraintdistance by average 3.6 mm

• Applying a 10N preload with an unloaded seat causes a decrease of 0.7 mm with respect to the EuroNCAP measurement

• The error within one seat type (3 seats) is 3.8 mm on average• This means that all deviations are within the range of

measurements of one seat type

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Comparison with EuroNCAP method (3)

Deviation from EuroNCAP protocol

-6,0

-4,0

-2,0

0,0

2,0

4,0

6,0

8,0

10,0B1 B2 B4 C

3

C4

C7

E10

E15 E1

ABS

AVG

Seat type

Dev

iatio

n fro

m E

uroN

CA

P [m

m]

From averageEuroNCAPHRMD + Manikin +10 NNo HRMD + Manikin+ 0 NNo Manikin + 0 N

No Manikin + 10 N

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Causes of head restraint distance variations:H-point x location

• Seat C and E: no influence of H-point x with HR distance

• Seat B: IncreasingH-point x ~ decreasing HR distance

Deviation from average

-8.0

-6.0

-4.0

-2.0

0.0

2.0

4.0

6.0

8.0

10.0

-4.0 -3.0 -2.0 -1.0 0.0 1.0 2.0

H-point x [mm]

HR

dis

tanc

e N

CA

P [m

m]

Seat type BSeat type CSeat type E

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Causes of head restraint distance variations:H-point z location

• Seat B and C: no influence of H-point z with HR distance

• Seat E: IncreasingH-point z ~ decreasing HR distance

Deviation from average

-8.0

-6.0

-4.0

-2.0

0.0

2.0

4.0

6.0

8.0

10.0

-4.0 -2.0 0.0 2.0 4.0

H-point z [mm]

HR

dis

tanc

e N

CA

P [m

m]

Seat type BSeat type CSeat type E

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Causes of head restraint distance variations:Torso angle

• Seat B, C and E:Increasingangle ~ increasing HR distance

Deviation from average

-8.0

-6.0

-4.0

-2.0

0.0

2.0

4.0

6.0

8.0

10.0

-1.0 -0.5 0.0 0.5 1.0 1.5

Torso angle [deg]

HR

dis

tanc

e N

CA

P [m

m]

Seat type BSeat type CSeat type E

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Main results summary

• The deviation caused by the seat (of one type) and SAE positioning (reproducibility) is larger than the deviation caused by a change of measurement method.

• Head restraint distance varies with• Seat back angle• H-point location

• This relation is not similar for all seat types.• Small differences in H-point location (within specs) may result in

large changes of the head restraint distance• Example Seat B: H-point location ranges from -3 to +2 mm, but

HR distance -6 to +9 mm

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Conclusions

• Measurement method is not mainly determining head restraint distance

• SAE manikin positioning has large influence on head restraint distance

• Need for more tight requirement on SAE manikin positioning or use more straightforward point in car, like R-point

• No preference for any method with regard to current results• UTAC method is more straightforward, not more accurate• UTAC method cannot be varied easily for different occupant

sizes

• Preference for simple (analytical) method