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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE THIRTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA

CIVIL DIVISION

NEIL J . GILLESPIE,

Pla in t i f fCase No.: 05-CA-007205

vs.Division: J

BARKER RODEMS &COOKA Flor ida corpora t ionWILLIAM J . COOK

P.A.,and

Defendants ._ /

PROCEEDINGS: HearingBEFORE: Honorable James D. ArnoldDATE: June 16, 2011TIME: 10:30 a.m. - 10:47 a.m.PLACE: Hil lsborough County Courthouse

800 Twiggs St r ee tTampa, Flor ida 33602

REPORTED BY: Nicholas LafaroStenographic Repor ter andNotary Publ icSta te of Flor ida a t Large

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1 APPEARANCES:2 Counsel for P l a i n t i f f3 EUGENE P. CASTAGLIUOLO, ESQUIRE

CASTAGLIUOLO LAW GROUP, P.A.4 Oakbrook Plaza

2451 McMullen Booth Road5 Clearwater , Flor ida 33759

727) 712-33336

Counsel fo r Defendants :7

RYAN CHRISTOPHER RODEMS ESQUIRE8 BARKER, RODEMS COOK P.A.

400 North Ashley Drive, Sui t e 21009 Tampa, Flor ida 33602

813) 489-100110

ALSO PRESENT:11

EDWARD CASTAGLIUOLO12

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PROCEEDINGSTHE BAILIFF: Please remain seated .

3 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: Good morning, Judge.4 MR RODEMS: Good morning, your Honor.5 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: Judge, my papers - 6 THE COURT: Yes.7 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: My or ig ina l no t ice of8 appearance - 9 THE COURT: Okay.

10 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: - - l im f i l i ng with thecour t , and my motion beneath it.

12 THE COURT: Okay.13 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: Judge, I v e known14 Mr. Gi l l esp ie fo r about , oh, I m going to say,15 almost 14 days. Not longer than tha t . And, it s16 read i ly - - read i ly apparent to me t ha t t h i s17 gentleman has some problems, which cause him to be18 content ious , to say the l ea s t .19 And, l im well aware of the his tory of t h i s20 case . I t goes back to 2005. I v e read I21 havenl t even sc ra tched the surface , but I read a22 l o t of pages about t h i s case . So I m not t o t a l l y23 uninformed about the background and the or ig ins of24 t h i s mat te r t ha t welre here for today.25 My sole purpose here today - - as I was


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expla in ing to counsel pr i o r to the hear ing , I wishI could f i l e a l imi t ed appearance, but , as we a l l

3 know, we c a n t do tha t . In fo r a penny, in for a4 pound. y sole purpose i s , r e a l l y , to keep t h i s5 man from going to j a i l . I r e a l l y be l ieve t ha t he6 has had the f ea r of God put in him with regard to7 being a r res t ed .8 He s c a l l e d me when the s h e r i f f s o f f i c e r was9 knocking on h i s door and c a l l i ng me by c e l l a t the

10 same t ime. I spoke to t ha t s h e r i f f s of f i ce r . Thes h e r i f f s o f f i c e r sa id , i f we pick him up, h e s

12 going to s t in the Marion County J a i l fo r two13 weeks before Hil lsborough even t h inks of coming14 over to ge t him.15 And the system be ing what t i s , Judge, and16 t h i s being a c iv i l mat te r , I have cons t ruc ted a17 proposed order , where, bas ica l ly , what I m ask ing18 counsel to agree to , and I m sure he won t , cause19 h e s defending his s ide vigorous ly , as he should, I20 want him to give Mr. Gi l l esp ie another 60 days to21 s i t , with o r without me, a t a depos i t ion22 ( inaudible) of execu t ion ; or , i f he d o e sn t do t ha t23 by August 31st , the way I wrote the order , the24 proposed order , then, Mr. Rodems can come in ex25 par t e and ge t h i s wr i t of bodi ly at tachment a l l


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over again . It s ba s i c a l ly giving him another b i t e2 a t the apple to comply.3 And the l inchp in of a l l t h i s , Judge, i s tha t ,4 for the l a s t 21 months, h e s been without counsel .5 So h e s been on the i n t e rne t . He s been l e f t to6 h i s own devices and his own - - h e s my c l i e n t and7 I v e had t h i s discuss ion with him. He s l e f t to8 his own de lus ions about the way t h i s process should9 work.

10 He s f i na l l y been made to r e a l i z e it a i n t11 going to happen t ha t way. It s going to happen the12 way t h i s Court wants it to happen and the re i s13 no - - there i s no o ther a l t e rna t ive .14 MR RODEMS: Your Honor, we would not agree to15 t ha t . And i n fac t , we would ask you not to resc ind16 o r to d is so lve the wri t of bodi ly at tachment .17 Judge, the orde r to show cause commanded18 Mr. Gil lesp ie to appear before your Honor, on June19 1s t .20 THE COURT: Let me i n t e r rup t you, i f I could,21 Counsel .22 MR RODEMS: Yes.23 THE COURT: Cause, I d o n t know how many24 judges were before me, but I know the re was a

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the background of the case.2 The basis of the depos i t ion i s based upon - 3 what was - was t an award of a t to rne y s fees?4 MR RODEMS: Yes, s i r . There s a judgment5 aga ins t Mr. Gi l l esp ie in favor of my c l i en t s .6 THE COURT: The basis of the award of the7 a t to rne y s fees was?8 MR RODEMS: Vio la t ion of Sec t ion 57.105 for9 f i l i ng f r ivolous pleadings and a l so discovery

10 v io la t ions for not complying with discoveryreques ts and discovery orders .

12 THE COURT: Okay. All r igh t . I m sorry . Go13 ahead.14 MR RODEMS: Yes, s i r .15 The orde r to show cause commanded16 Mr. Gi l l esp ie to appear before your Honor and show17 cause why he should be he ld in contempt for18 vio la t ing pr i o r orders of t h i s cour t . The pr i o r19 orde r of t h i s cour t a t i s sue was entered by Judge20 Cook and t commanded Mr. Gi l l esp ie to appear21 within 6 days for h i s depos i t ion . So22 THE COURT: And was - was the re not a23 subpoena duces tecum24 MR RODEMS: Yes, s i r .

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MR RODEMS: Notice of - because h e s a2 par ty , no t ice of depos i t ion duces tecum for him to3 appear and produce documents and4 THE COURT: And what - and what were the5 documents t ha t were reques ted?6 MR RODEMS: The var ious types of th ings t ha t7 one would expect in a c o l l e c t i on case .8 Mr. Gi l l esp ie receives income from a t r u s t .9 We wanted to see the t r u s t documents . We a l so want

10 to see h i s f inanc ia l records , records r e l a t i ng to11 asse t s , and o ther th ings , bank account records ,12 var ious th ings we know because of3 Mr. G i l le sp i e s

14 THE COURT: Counsel do you have a copy of the15 subpoena duces tecum?16 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: Yes I do. I d o n t have it17 with me your Honor. I v e seen it As you can18 see , the cour t f i l e i s extens ive .19 THE COURT: Right .20 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: But i f you look a t Exhibi t21 A to my motion Mr. Gi l l esp ie has - h i s argument22 to me i s t ha t he s responded to very much of what23 Mr. Rodems has asked fo r . He wrote under a cover24 l e t t e r - I th ink t h a t s page 2 and the cover

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c le rk on a cr imina l case, but t h e r e s no cr imina lcase.

MR CASTAGLIUOLO: Yes. And t h a t s why thepubl ic defender dropped him recent ly .

THE COURT: Right . But, i f - i f he has nodocuments, o r i f he does, why h a s n t he produced

one more, t ha t would be the beginning of Exhib i tA. And a l o t of t h i s i s h e s - he cla ims to

have given Mr. Rodems these mater ia l s on more thanone occasion.

And t ha t cover l e t t e r covers a l st of i tems.He a l so made t ha t pa r t of the cour t record undersome type of a plead ing cover . Again, t h a t sbur i ed back in the - in the f i l e from l a s t summer.

THE COURT: Okay.MR CASTAGLIUOLO: A n d - THE COURT: I be l ieve he f i l ed a cr imina l - a

cr imina l indigency a f f i dav i t .MR CASTAGLIUOLO: And t ha t was approved.THE COURT: Well, t ha t was - MR CASTAGLIUOLO: He was found to be

indigent .THE COURT: A cr imina l indigencyMR CASTAGLIUOLO:THE COURT: was

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them? And i f he has no asse t s , why doesn t he s i tfor the depos i t ion and ge t it over wi th and t h a t sthe end?

MR CASTAGLIUOLO: Your Honor, t h a t s - t h a t s what I v e educated him over the l a s t almost14 days about , and t h a t s what I v e t o ld him.

He's a l so a s t roke away from a Chapter 7bankruptcy. So, t h i s th ing could go away rea lquick. And t h a t s a l l the more reason why I d o n twant him to s i t in j a i l ; so t ha t I don t have to goto the j a i l and have him s ign h i s bankruptcype t i t i on and schedules .

I f y o u l l look a t Exhibi t A, though, yourHonor, and not to be labor the po in t , but he cla imsh e s given a l o t of t h i s s tu f f -

THE COURT: Why donl t - - why d o n t you br ingyour c l i en t in tomorrow morning, with thedocuments? Counsel could be here . You can use myhear ing room. The b a i l i f f w i l l be here .They l l - - I ll - - Illl d i rec t the ba i l i f f s to - the s h e r i f f s of f i c e to escor t your c l i en t up here.He gives h i s depos i t ion . He produces h i sdocuments.

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cuf f l inks on him, t ha t he s not going to l ike .2 That s why he d i d n t come here today.3 THE COURT: Well, the warrant i s to br ing the4 indiv idual before the Court , before me.5 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: But the f i r s t s top i s the6 j a i l , your Honor, to process him.7 THE COURT: All r igh t . I m not going to argue8 with you.9 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: No I m not t ry ing to be

10 argumenta t ive .11 THE COURT: I m j u s t saying - I m offe r ing an12 a l t e rna t ive to br ing him in tomorrow morning for a13 depos i t ion .14 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: I - I wil l contact him and15 see i f t h a t s possib le .16 Is t poss ib le to do Monday or Tuesday?17 THE COURT: Could you t ake your depos i t ion18 tomorrow?19 MR RODEMS: Your Honor - 20 THE COURT: That s - what they want to do i s ,21 they want to take a depos i t ion and see these22 documents and - and t h a t s a l l t h i s i s about .23 MR RODEMS: I m supposed to be on vaca t ion24 with my family r i gh t now. I - I came in today

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going to be jo in ing my family down a t the beach.THE COURT: Okay. W e l l - MR RODEMS: So I - - look, I want to get t h i s

depos i t ion done.THE COURT: The bottom l i ne i s , i f h e s

brought before the Court - MR RODEMS: Yes, s i r .THE COURT: - - I wil l d i rec t you - - i f - - i f

h e s going to s i t fo r a depos i t ion , to give thethe - - to - - to appear , to give - - to take thedepos i t ion -

MR RODEMS: Yes, s i r .THE COURT: i f h e s wi l l ing to take it. I f

h e s not wi l l ing to take i t , t h a t s a d i f f e r e n ts to ry . But, you know, you d be d i rec ted to takethe depos i t ion . So you o r someone from your of f icewould have to make themselves ava i l ab le .

MR CASTAGLIUOLO: He s def i n i t e l y wil l ing totake i t , your Honor. But in deference toMr. Rodems vaca t ion , and my own schedule, could wehave some leeway of, perhaps, next week? Or, o r a tthe end of h i s vaca t ion , when he comes back?

THE COURT: When do you come back from yourvacat ion?

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know I could def i n i t e l y do it Tuesday. Monday, Ido have a depos i t ion .

3 THE COURT: Let me look a t my schedule.4 (Recess taken.)5 THE COURT: You sa id Tuesday would work for6 you?7 MR RODEMS: Yes, s i r . Tuesday in the8 ac tua l ly , Tuesday, a t any t ime, and - and9 Wednesday.

10 THE COURT: The se rgeant ind ica ted to me, i f11 Gil lesp ie shows up a t the cour thouse and they - 12 they would be downstai rs wai t ing for him - they13 would escor t him s t r a i gh t up here .14 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: And I ll br ing tha t to my15 c l i en t .16 What t ime, Judge, on Tuesday?17 THE COURT: I d o n t know.18 What t ime?19 MR RODEMS: Judge, I can be here a t whatever20 t ime you open the doors for business . I can - you21 know, I v e got - I v e got a c l i en t meeting a t22 nine. I m going to move t ha t for t h i s . And, and23 I v e got a depos i t ion a t one, t ha t I - 24 THE COURT: Well, you got a c l i en t meeting a t25 nine . Of course


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MR CASTAGLIUOLO: G i l le sp i e s coming fromOcala, so -

3 THE COURT: Nine o c lock in the morning4 downsta irs i s pre t t y busy. You know, I mean, we5 run a couple of thousand - 6 MR RODEMS: Yes, s i r .7 THE COURT: - run thousands of people through8 here every day through secur i ty .9 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: May I suggest 10:30, your

10 Honor? Would t ha t work with the Court?11 THE COURT: Would t ha t accommodate you with12 your c l i en t in terview?13 MR RODEMS: Yes, s i r , tha t would be per fec t .14 I could conduct t ha t in te rv iew over an hour and15 then be here by 10:30. Cer ta in ly .16 THE COURT: 10:30. All - I m conduct ing17 hear ings Monday and Tuesday in the hear ing room18 here . So, we w i l l f ind another room. Yeah. W e l l19 have a room t o - the hear ing room to conduct the20 depos i t ion .21 MR RODEMS: There i s one mat te r , Judge. And22 I m j u s t t ry ing to head off a problem in the pas t .23 Mr. Gi l l esp ie i s t ry ing very hard not to show24 to me the t r u s t documents, where he gets income.

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t ime fo r f i l i n g ob jec t ion to product ion are long2 over with .3 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: Well h e s f i l ed an4 ob jec t ion to tha t . And I th ink t h a t s what counsel5 i s re fe r r ing to .6 THE COURT: W e l l- 7 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: I v e been t o ld tha t the8 only th ing in the t r u s t document i s the house9 which i s underwater and i f the re were any rumors

10 of income - 11 THE COURT: Produce - produce the t r u s t12 documents and I ll review them in camera.13 Any ob jec t ion to tha t , Counsel?14 MR RODEMS: No s i r . Not a t a l l .15 THE COURT: You br ing the - you br ing the16 t r u s t documents with you and I ll review them in17 camera.18 I f the documents are produced i f he gives his19 depos i t ion , as f a r as 1 1 m concerned t ha t l s the end20 of it.21 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: That would be grea t , Judge.22 Very generous.23 THE COURT: All r igh t .24 ce r ta in ly , myR CASTAGLIUOLO: I d o n t25 orde r doesn t r e f l ec t tha t , Judge. Will you be


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i s su ing your own orde r o r i s t h i s - it s a mat te rof record .

THE COURT: Well, it s a mat te r of record .I m j u s t - I m j u s t i nd ica t ing to you what I d bew i l l i n g t o do, and make arrangements to haveI can t e l l the she r i f f r i gh t now to have

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Mr. G i l l e s p i e escor t ed up and t h e y l l have somebodythe re , s t a r t i n g a t 10 o c lo ck , j u s t wai t ing fo r himto - to escor t him through se c u r i t y and br ing himup here .

MR CASTAGLIUOLO: T h a t l l be my message toMr. Gil lesp ie , your Honor.

THE COURT: And, I a t t h i s po in t in t ime,h i s coming here i s on a volunta ry bas i s . I f hecomes in on a volunta ry b as i s on Tuesday, he br ingsthe documents, inc luding the t r u s t documents, whichI ll review in camera - okay - and w i l l i n g to sitfo r a depos i t i on under oath , a fu l l depos i t i onunder oath , then I ll t ake t ha t a l l i n tocons ide ra t ion ; and, and as f a r as I m concerned, i fhe does produce the documents, he does sit fordepos i t ion , a t t ha t po in t in t ime, I d be inc l inedto withdraw any pick-up orde r .

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a t 10 a.m.?THE COURT: Uh-huh.

3 MR RODEMS: Yes, s i r .4 THE COURT: Well, 10:30.5 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: It s going to s t a r t a t6 10:30.7 MR RODEMS: Yes, s i r .8 THE COURT: I ll j u s t have rep resen ta t ives9 from the s h e r i f f s of f ice down the re a t 10 o c lock .

10 MR RODEMS: I ll be here a t 10:30 on Tuesday11 of next week.12 Thank you.13 THE COURT: I m not sure i f we need to en te r14 an order , o ther than the fac t t ha t I m no t se t t ing15 as ide any pick-up orde r a t th i s t ime.16 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: That s what I was j u s t17 re fe r r ing to , the order .18 THE COURT: I f you want to br ing an orde r with19 you a t t ha t t ime, t h a t l l be f ine .20 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: Okay.21 THE COURT: J us t s a y a n orde r denying.22 MR CASTAGLIUOLO: And may I leave those f i l e s23 with you, your Honor?24 THE COURT: And, and i f he does want to25 vo lun ta r i ly appear, and you want to br ing a


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This i s or ig ina l . 11MR CASTAGLIUOLO: Theylre the or ig ina l s .THE COURT: I ll ask the c le rk to f i l e t h i s

with the court .MR CASTAGLIUOLO: Thank you, Judge.THE COURT: Okay.MR RODEMS: Thank you, Judge. Thanks for

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