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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE THIRTEENTH JUDICI L CIRCUITOF THE ST TE OF FLORIDA IN ND FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY

CIVIL DIVISION

NEIL J . GILLESPIEP l a i n t i f f

-v s -BARKER, RODEMS COOK P.A.A Flor ida Corporat ionWILLIAM J . COOK

Case No.:Divis ion:

05-7205F

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TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS

BEFORE: HONOR BLE RICH RDCircu i t Judge A NIELSEN

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APPEARANCES:

On beha l f of the P l a i n t i f f :

N IL J GILL SPIPro se l i t i gan t

On beha l f of the Defendant :RYAN CHRISTOPHER RODEMS SQUIRBarker , Rodems Cook, P A400 North Ashley Drive , Sui te 2100Tampa, Flor ida 33602

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P R O C E E D I N G STHE COURT: All r i gh t . So you a re Mr. Gi l l e sp ie ,

i s t ha t co r rec t?

MR GILLESPIE: Yes Your Honor. Nei l Gi l l e s p i e .THE COURT: And you are Mr. Rodems?MR RODEMS: Tha t s cor rec t , Your Honor.THE COURT: What order do we want to t ake these

mat te r s up today?MR RODEMS: Well Judge we n o t i c e d t h ree

motions for hear ing , two of them f i l ed byMr. Gi l l e s p i e . The f i r s t was to d i s qua l i f y me ascounse l for the defendants . The second was to dismissthe defendan t s dismiss and s t r i k e de fe nda n t scounterc la ims . Our motion i s a Sec t ion 57 .105 motion.

The four th motion t ha t we f i l ed had to do with ar eques t fo r a b a i l i f f to be presen t . We d i d n t no t i cet ha t for hear ing , but obvious ly we have a depu ty here .So t ha t I d o n t know t ha t t ha t nece s s a r i ly needs tocome up. I t was not no t i ced for hear ing today , but wecan take t up i f you want to .

I would suggest t ha t the order t ha t makes senseto fo l low i s Mr. G i l le s p i e s motion to d i s q u a l i f y andthe motion to s t r i k e our counterc la ims .

THE COURT: I agree . And as for the r eques t forb a i l i f f , my procedure i s on any case in which the re i s

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1 a pro se par ty , a b a i l i f f i s p r e s en t . So j u s t fo rfu tu re re fe rence you do not have to submit a r eques t .

3 And s ince it s not in the form o f a motion I d o n t4 t h ink it needs a ru l ing . All r i g h t .

Motion to d isqua l i fy , Mr. G i l l e sp i e .MR GILLESPIE: Good af te rnoon , Your Honor.

7 THE COURT: Mr. Gil lesp ie , you can go ahead and8 argue your motion.9 MR GILLESPIE: Thank you Judge. As the motion

s t a t e s , t h i s i s to d i s q u a l i f y Mr. Rodems and t he law11 f i rm from rep re sen t ing themselves because in t h e i r12 p o s i t i o n as bo th a t to rney , Mr. Cook and the law f i rm13 they prev ious ly represented me. When t he ma t t e r i s the14 same or su b s t a n t i a l l y s imi la r to the m a t t e r in the

presen t controversy , now the i n t e r e s t o f Mr. Cook and16 Barker Rodems Cook are m a t e r i a l l y adverse to my17 i n t e r e s t s , t h e i r former c l i e n t . And t h i s i s c re a t i n g a18 c o n f l i c t o f i n t e re s t , a c onf l i c t o f i n t e r e s t t h a t19 app l ies to an a t to rney assoc ia ted with a law f i rm.

THE COURT: Mr. Gil lesp ie , I n o t i ce t ha t you are21 read ing your motion to d i s q u a l i f y , i s t ha t co r r ec t ?

MR GILLESPIE: Yes it i s .23 THE COURT: All r i gh t . Jus t so t ha t we can24 expedi te t h i s , I have read your motion .

MR GILLESPIE: Okay.

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1 THE COURT: So if t h e r e s any a d d i t i o n a l argument2 t h a t you wish to make c la r i fy ing , expanding3 presen t ing case law t ha t would suppor t t ha t , t ha t i s4 what I would ask you to do a t t h i s t ime.

MR GILLESPIE: I thank you Judge. No I t h ink6 the motion i s f a i r l y thorough.7 THE COURT: Well see then t h e r e was one8 c l a r i f i c a t i o n t ha t I had and you had a c tua l ly j u s t9 read t h a t por t ion of it You made r e fe rence to a same

or s ubs t a n t i a l l y s imi la r mat te r to the p r e s en t11 con t rove rsy . Have you prev ious ly well , a re you12 r e f e r r ing to the mat te r in which as I unders tand , some13 o f the underly ing f ac t s of your c la im r e l a t e to the14 ac t i o n t ha t you had r e t a in ed the f i rm fo r having to do

with the16 MR GILLESPIE: Amscot Corpora t ion .17 THE COURT: Yes the Amscot.18 MR GILLESPIE: Yes.19 THE COURT: And the ac t ion brought . Was it in

f edera l cour t?21 MR GILLESPIE: Yes it was Judge.

THE COURT: Is t ha t , when you r e f e r to a mat te r23 or a s ubs t a n t i a l l y s imi l a r mat te r , i s t ha t the mat te r24 you were r e f e r r i n g to?

MR GILLESPIE: Yes Judge. The defendants

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r ep resen ted me on tha t case which r e a l l y as you sayforms the underlying fac ts of t h i s case . They a l sorepresen ted me on another payday loan l awsu i t aga ins tAce Cash Express which was more or l e s scontemporaneously handled with the Amscot case . Sothose two cases were s imi la r . The Amscot case ofcourse i s more s imi la r because the same fac t s areinvolved in cont rac t and in how the case played out .

THE COURT: All r i gh t s i r . Thank you.Mr. Rodems.MR RODEMS: Thank you Judge. As you pointed

out Your Honor Rule 4-1.9 of the Rules Regula t ing theFlor ida Bar discusses the same o r s u b s t a n t i a l l y r e l a t e dmat te r . The mat te r t ha t the defendants r ep resen tedMr. Gi l l esp ie on was a Truth in Lending Act c la im f i l edin the f edera l cour t involving i s sues o f

THE COURT: Do you have tha t ru le?MR RODEMS: Yes s i r . It s 4-1 .9 .THE COURT: F o u r - MR RODEMS: 4-1 .9 .THE COURT: All r i gh t . Got it.MR RODEMS: Okay. So the case tha t

Mr. Gi l l esp ie a l leges i s subs t an t i a l l y the same ors imi la r involved a cla im by Mr. Gil le sp ie aga ins tAmscot a corpora t ion invo lv ing a l l eged v io l a t i ons of

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Mr. G i l l e s p i e s r igh ts under the Truth in Lending Act.This lawsui t involves d i f f e r e n t pa r t i e s , d i f f e r en tfac t s and d i f f e r e n t l ega l i s sues .

In the case of Frank Weinberg Black v sEffman 916 So.2d 971 there was a l so a motion tod i s qua l i f y on tha t case . The defendant in t ha t casewas a law f i rm. And they were seek ing to d i s qua l i f y ana t to rney by the name o f Atlas who was rep resen t ingEffman. And Atlas had a t one t ime r ep resen ted the lawf i rm in an ac t ion the f i rm brought aga ins t a depar t ingshareholder to recover fees t ha t tha t depar t ingshareholder rece ived from c l i en t s .

And what the cour t sa id in t ha t case i s , quotethe t r i a l cour t did not depar t from the e s s e n t i a lrequirements of law i n ru l ing tha t the 1991 l awsu i t ,which involved the shareholder recover ing fees fromc l i en t s , were not s ubs t a n t i a l l y r e l a t ed to the 2003lawsui t within the meaning of the ru le , 4-1 .9 . Thelawsui ts involved en t i r e l y d i f f e ren t fac t s , even thoughthe same underlying document governing the r e l a t i ons h iplS the same.

So here we have a s i t ua t i on t ha t i s qui te s imi la rto tha t case in which Mr. Gi l l esp ie i s now suingBarker Rodems Cook P and Mr. Cook i nd iv idua l lyregarding a cont rac t he ente red i n to with the law f irm.

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1 And it s complete ly separa te , independent of the ac t ion2 tha t the law f irm represented Mr. G i l l e s p i e on.3 In add i t ion to t ha t case, Bochese vs . Town o f4 Ponce In le t 267 F. Supp. 2nd 1240, the cour t ru led in

t ha t case t ha t the , and again it was a chal lenge under6 4-1 .9 . That the two cases, the one t ha t the c l i e n t was7 c la iming t ha t was s ubs t a n t i a l l y the same involved8 d i f f e r e n t p la in t i f f s , d i f f e r e n t defendants , and for the9 l a rge pa r t , d i f fe ren t l ega l i s sues , which aga in i s what

we have here . The cour t in t ha t case den ied a motion11 to d i s qua l i f y counsel under 4-1 .9 .12 In Je t One Center Inc . In Re Je t One Center13 Inc . 310 So.2d - I m sorry , 310-BR, Bankruptcy14 Repor ter , 649 - t h i s i s Judge Pas kay - t he re was a

motion to d i squa l i fy the c i t y of Naples a i r p o r t16 a u t h o r i t y s at torney, who was Mr. Amado. The motion17 was f i l ed by the bank. Amado had, I th ink a t the same18 t ime or contemporaneously o r in the pa s t r ep resen ted19 the bank. But he represented the bank on c o l l e c t i on

cases and t h i s involved bankruptcy.21 And the cour t sa id even a cursory reading of the

t ex t in sub c lause (a) - again r e fe r r i ng to 4-1 .9 - 23 t h i s ru le l eaves no doubt tha t it app l i e s only to a24 rep resen ta t ion of a c l i en t aga ins t a former c l i e n t in

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c l i e n t .

4 And t hen Judge Paskay went on to say , one wouldr be ha r d pressed indeed to s e t f o r th a p e r s u a s i v e6 argument t h a t Amado s r e p re s e n t a t i o n o f t h e bank in7 c o l l e c t i o n cases b e f o r e t he sma l l c l a ims c o u r t o r in8 o t h e r cases where he appeared fo r t h e bank a re , quote ,9 the same o r s u b s t a n t i a l l y r e l a t e d m a t t e r s , c l o s ed

10 quote , to the i n t e r e s t o f the former c l i e n t .11 t would i nvo lve a quantum l e ap i nde e d to t i e the12 i s s u e s i nvo l ve d in t hose cases to t h e complex and13 h i g h l y t e chn ica l i s s u e i nvo lved in t h i s l i t i g a t i o n with14 NAA, d ea l i n g with r eg u l a t i o n s o f th e FAA programs a t15 a i r p o r t s and such. And aga in , Your Honor, t h a t case16 a l s o su g g es t s t h a t where you ve go t d i f f e r e n t p a r t i e s ,17 d i f f e r e n t f ac t s , d i f f e r e n t l ega l i s s u e s , t h a t 4 -1 .918 d o e s n t come i n to play .19 And I would a l s o c i t e t h e co u r t t o t h e case o f20 Transmark US vs S ta t e Department o Insurance which21 i s a t 631 So.2d 1112-1116. And t h a t case t a l k s about

t h e s e t ypes o f motions , Your Honor. And what it says23 i s t ha t , you know, when you wai t a c o n s i d e r a b l e l en g t h24 o f t ime and t hen t r y to move to d i s q u a l i f y counse l , it25 t ak es on t h e appearance o f be ing s u s p i c i o u s o r having a

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1 c a l c u l a t e d o r s t r a t e g i c reason fo r doing t h a t .2 In t h i s case t h i s motion was f i l e d s i x o r e i g h t3 months a f t e r t h i s l i t i g a t i o n began. And it appears to

4 be n o th in g more t han an e f f o r t by Mr. G i l l e sp i e toe i t h e r d e lay proceed ings o r d i s r u p t Barker , Rodems

6 Cook P and Mr. Cook from having the counse l o f t h e i r7 choos ing , which the case law a l so says t h a t s a d r a s t i c8 remedy t h a t should on ly be a l lowed under unusua l9 c i rcu ms tan ces .

Now he a l s o r a i s e s some o t h e r i s sues about why I11 shou l d be d i s q u a l i f i e d . And he says in h i s mot ion t h a t12 I m going to be a witness in t h i s case . Well t h e case13 law on t h a t i s c l ea r . That a l l e g a t i o n a lo n e i s not14 enough. You got to prove it He has not e s t a b l i s h e d

in any way b efo re t h i s cour t with any t e s t imo n y how I m16 a w i t n es s .17 But more impor tan t ly , in the case o f Cer i l l o vs18 Highley 797 So.2d 1288 the co u r t says , a l awyer may19 ac t as an advocate a t p r e t r i a l , open parens , b e fo re the

s t a r t o f the t r i a l , c losed parens , and p o s t - t r i a l , open21 p aren s , a f t e r the judgment i s rendered , c l o s ed parens .22 So even i f , even if I was to be a w i t n es s in t h i sL case , which t h e r e s been no p ro o f o f t h a t , t h a t24 w o u ld n t p rev en t me from handl ing the p r e t r i a l mat t e r s

or the p o s t - t r i a l mat t e r s , j u s t the a c t u a l trial o f the

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case .2 But I would a lso po in t you out to Singer Is land3 Limited vs udget Construct ion Company because t h a t4 one i s a lmost d i r e c t ly on p o in t . 714 So .2d 651.

And what the cour t sa id i s , you know where6 somebody i s moving to d i s q u a l i f y counse l on the b as i s7 t h a t t he y r e going a witness , quote, we view motions to8 d i sq u a l i fy on t h i s ground with some skep t i c i sm because9 they are sometimes f i l e d fo r t a c t i c a l o r haras s ing

reasons r a t h e r than the proper rea sons .And in t h a t case on a wri t o f c e r t i o r a r i , the

12 cour t upheld the t r i a l c o u r t s den ia l o f the motion to13 d i sq u a l i fy because the p e t i t i o n e r a l l eg ed a t most only14 a p o s s i b i l i t y t ha t d i s qua l i f i c a t i on might be necessary .

In t ha t case he sa id the a t to rney was going to be a16 witness , but he h ad n t t aken the a t t o r n e y s depos i t i on ,17 as Mr. G i l l e s p i e has not taken y d ep o s i t i o n .18 And it sa id , quote i p e t i t i o n e r had wai ted19 u n t i l a f t e r he had deposed opposing counse l , he might

have been ab le to develop more o f a record to suppor t21 h i s motion to d i s q u a l i f y . On the o th e r hand co u n s e l s

tes t imony might well have convinced p e t i t i o n e r t h a t a23 motion to d i s q u a l i f y would not have been wel l - founded .24 So here he comes in with a bold , unfounded

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witness in the case and the re fo re I shou ld bed i s qua l i f i e d . His f ina l reason for t r y i n g tod i sq u a l i fy me i s he sa id t ha t l ack candor which hec i t e s no case law to t ha t . And I would a s s e r t beforethe Court as an of f i c e r of the cour t , t ha t everyth ingt h a t I v e represented to the cour t has been accura te .

So his , again unsupported unfounded a l l e ga t ionunder t he law cannot suppor t a d i s q u a l i f i c a t i o n . So wewould ask you to deny t ha t motion Your Honor.

THE COURT: Any fu r the r response, Mr. G i l l e s p i e?MR GILLESPIE: Yes. I would respond as to what

Mr. Rodems would t e s t i f y to . That would be h i sperformance during the se t t l ement of t h i s mat te r wherehe was having me s ign documents in h i s law o f f i c e tha tthe - - t ha t there have been - - November 1s t , 2001. Andthen two days e a r l i e r a t the se t t l emen t where we s ignedAmscot documents . He would be t e s t i f y i n g about what hedid a t t ha t t ime. And t h a t s a p r e t t y s u b s t a n t i a l par tof t h i s case .

The con t rac t r e a l l y i s a cent ra l i s sue in t h i scase . In f ac t I v e j u s t f i l ed today a motion forsummary judgment and t h i s i s Mr. Rodems copy.

Mr. Rodems t h a t s your copy.There s a l so an a f f i d a v i t in suppor t . And t h i s

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1 con t rac t 1S the same con t rac t in the Amscot case , andit s the same con t rac t in t h i s case . And now it s up

3 for summary judgment. Now i f t h a t s granted , t h i s may4 be a moot po in t .5 However i f it goes fu r the r I ll have to t ake6 his , as you know a depos i t ion and ge t to exac t ly what7 h i s ro le was in the se t t l ement i n c r e a t i n g these fa l se

documents. The documents t ha t say on the one hand t ha t9 we had a cour t award for a t t o rn e y s fees , and on the

10 o th e r hand it wasn t r e a l l y a cour t award. It was a11 claim to a cour t award. And it was a c la im t ha t had12 no nothing to back it up. And a l l o f t h a t i s argued13 1n the summary in the motion for summary judgment .14 As fa r as l ack o f candor towards the cour t , h e s15 made severa l re fe rences to the fac t t h a t I committed16 c r imina l ex to r t ion . He c i t e d Flor ida s t a t u t e 836.0517 and the hold ings of the four cases 1n here . And18 t h e r e s rea l l y no bas i s for t ha t . And on t ha t b a s i s19 a lone , I t h ink he should be d i s qua l i f i e d .20 THE COURT All r i gh t . Well with respec t to21 those mat te r s covered under the c o n f l i c t o f i n t e r e s t ,22 your motion i s denied.23 As to the i s sue o f a witness , it i s a l so denied.24 I t i s without pre jud ice to ra i se it a t a l a t e r t ime i f

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ru les r e l a t i n g to a t to rney as witness i s t ha t thoseru les have over the years s u b s t a n t i a l l y changed from ap o s i t i o n where 15 years ago any even p o s s i b i l i t y of ana t t o r n ey being a witness would have r e s u l t e d ind i s qua l i f i c a t i on .

Right ly or wrongly, the Flor ida Bar, as wel l asthe American Bar Associa t ion has moved to a p o s i t i o nwhere the i s sue of an a t to rney being a witness i s notan automat ic bas i s for d i s qua l i f i c a t i on .

And in f ac t I t h ink t h e r e s some case law.T h e re s cases out the re t ha t suggest t ha t an a t t o r n eycan handle the case , Mr. Rodems, you were saying preand p o s t - t r i a l and not a t t r i a l . But my r e c o l l e c t i oni s , and t h e r e s some cases out the re t ha t say you caneven handle it a t t r i a l handing over the mat t e r toco-counse l a t the poin t t ha t you might have to t e s t i f y .At t ha t poin t you would a c t u a l l y be t e s t i f y i n g , ahypo the t ica l I m sugges t ing . But having sa i d a l l oft ha t , it s denied without pre jud ice fo r you to r a i s etha t a t some l a t e r t ime.

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den ied as w el l .MR. GILLESPIE: Thank you Judge. I d o n t t h i n k

we d i s cu s s ed whether we were going to h ea r my motionfo r an o rd e r o f p ro t e c t i o n . I t r u s t y o u r e in r e c e i p to f t h a t .

THE COURT: I d o n t know about t h a t one . I v er ead seve ra l mot ions . Yes I d i d see t h a t .

MR GILLESPIE: That goes i n to t h e candor i s sue alittle more t horoughly .

MR. RODEMS: Jus t a second Your Honor. I f Ic ou l d have a moment t o f i n d t h a t p a r t i c u l a r motion.

MR. GILLESPIE: It s plaintiff s v e r i f i e dr e sponse to d e f e n d a n t s v e r i f i e d r eq u es t fo r bailiffand fo r s an c t i o n s , and p l a i n t i f f s mot ion fo r an o rd e ro f p r o t ec t i o n . T h ey re bo t h c o n t a i n e d in t h e samedocument.

MR. RODEMS: Your Honor if I might s u g g es t . Themotion r e l a t e d to the motion to d i smis s ourco u n te rc l a im was - - we n o t i ced t h es e h ea r i n g s f i r s t ,and s i n ce we only have 45 minutes , I would su g g es t t h a tit would be ap p ro p r i a t e if we could go to t h es u b s t a n t i v e motion.

THE COURT: Well I ag ree . Mr. G i l l e s p i e , s i n ceyour mot ion was qui t e l a t e in t h e p ro ces s , an add-onif you w i l l , to the re sponse t o t h e mot ion o r t h e

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1 reques t for the ba i l i f f , I ll defe r on t ha t and go backto the order we were discuss ing .

3 So the d i s qua l i f i c a t i on i s denied .4 And then -

MR RODEMS: Your Honor, may I prepare the6 proposed order on tha t s ince I m - 7 THE COURT: Yes, s i r .8 MR RODEMS: Okay.9 THE COURT: Now so we re back to what, your

motion for sanc t ions?11 MR RODEMS: No, s i r . The next motion would be12 Mr. G i l l e s p i e s motion to dismiss and s t r i k e the13 defendan t s counterclaim.14 THE COURT: Very wel l .

MR GILLESPIE: Here s case law on t ha t . Under16 the ru le o f c iv i l procedure , defendan t s counte rc la im17 i s a compulsory counterc la im and was not t ime ly f i l ed ,18 was waived and must be dismissed. That i s the f i r s t ,19 the f i r s t ob jec t ion to the counte rc la im.

As def ined by Rule 11 - 1.170(a) compulsory21 counte rc la im i s one t ha t a r i s e s out of a t r a ns a c t ion or22 occurrence t ha t i s the subject mat te r o f opposing23 p a r t y s claim. I t does not r equ i re fo r i t s24 adjudica t ion the presence of t h i rd p a r t i e s over which

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1 And t h a t s what we have here . There are no t h i r d2 p a r t i e s requ i red in t h i s l awsu i t to ad ju d i ca t e t h i s3 claim. And the cour t has developed a t e s t to determine4 whether a cla im i s compulsory, and t h a t s the l og ica l

r e l a t i o n sh i p s t e s t .6 THE COURT: Mr. Gil lesp ie , could you focus on the7 t iming i s sue . I may come back to the i s sue o f whether8 it s compulsory or permiss ive .9 MR GILLESPIE: Well ba s i c a l ly I m arguing t ha t

the - a compulsory coun terc la im must be r a i s e d a t the11 f i r s t appearance, de fendan t s f i r s t appearance. And12 t ha t would have been when he f i l e d the defendan t s13 motion to dismiss and s t r i ke on August 29th , 2005.14 Now we re here today many months l a t e r . The case

i s fa r moved along. In f ac t t h e r e s a motion fo r16 summary judgment. And now defendants want to r a i s e17 t h i s cla im, countercla im t ha t they should have done18 back on August 29th .19 Your Honor, t h a t s the t iming i s su e .

THE COURT: All r i gh t . Well, Mr. G i l l e s p i e ,21 you re not t ra ined in the law. You re not t r a i n e d in22 the Rules of Civ i l Procedure so I ll give you a quick

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1 paragraph 1, P l a i n t i f f Nei l J . G i l l e sp i e r e s i d e s in0 Ocala, Marion County, Flor ida . And d e f en d an t s3 response to it was, as to paragraph 1 o f the complaint ,4 defendan t s a re without knowledge and t h e re fo re deny the5 a l l e g a t i o n s .6 Now we go to t h e i r countercla im, and they take7 the oppos i t e pos i t ion . And t h a t w i l l be 62, paragraph

62, page 6, coun terc la ims . On in fo rmat ion and b e l i e fp l a i n t i f f counter defendant i s a r e s i d e n t o f Ocala ,Marion County, Flor ida . And it was r e a l l y a procedura l0o b jec t i o n . I d o n t know they can t ake bo th ends of1

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d i f f e r en ce . What they have sa id , and t h e y r e p e rmi t t ed920 to do t h i s under the ru les , i s they d o n t know whether21 you a re o r not . So when you d o n t know, it s denied,22 aga in under the r u l e s . When they come to t h e i r

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does not e s t a b l i s h or ra i se to the l eve l o f a l ack ofj u r i sd i c t i on .

In fac t , you know, you s t a r t ed th i s pa r ty here inHil lsborough County. And so as a r e su l t o f yous t a r t i n g the par ty , they can br ing you here , becauseyou came here, for anything they want, and under thelaw prove t ha t they have some so r t o f cause of act ion .I m not saying they do. I m j u s t saying t ha t , againunder our ru les by you s t a r t i n g it here , they thend o n t have to go to your county to engage you inl i t i g a t i o n .

MR GILLESPIE: Thank you, Judge.THE COURT: So I ll deny paragraph 2. All r igh t .

Now in 3 you say they fa i l ed to s t a t e a cause of ac t ionfor l i b e l .

MR GILLESPIE: Yes, Judge. In t h e i r complaint ,in t he i r counter complaint they a t tach a copy of thepurpor ted l ibe l . In o ther words, it s not a complete ,it s not a complete document. And in the l e t t e r toAmscot, and I have tha t as Exhibi t 2. I f you look a tthe l e t t e r to Amscot, the t h i rd paragraph it would be,and then the four th sentence down in paren theses itsays , see copy of my l e t t e r enclosed .

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they a re not present ing the en t i r e i t em t ha t they sayi s l ibe lous . And the law i s pre t t y c l ea r on tha t , t ha tyou c a n t parse , p ick words out and say t h i s i s l i b e land t h a t s l i b e l . You have to t ake the document in i t sfu l l context . They haven t done tha t because theyhaven t at tached the l e t t e r . But in c on t r a s t , they vea t tached a d i f f e r e n t l e t t e r , the one tha t theyprepared , which r ea l l y doesn t have bear ing on my l i be lbecause I d i d n t wri te it.

And I th ink tha t th i s should be, a t l ea s t i f notd i smissed complete ly , a t l ea s t dismissed with al lowingthem a chance to amend it so t ha t we can see what thel e t t e r t ha t see copy of my l e t t e r enclosed s t a t e s .Because r i gh t now we d o n t know. And it s impor tant .

THE COURT: All r i gh t . Mr. Rodems, response ont ha t .

MR RODEMS: Thank you, Your Honor. F i r s t ofa l l , under- the Rules of Civ i l Procedure and the caselaw concerning motions to dismiss , a l l the a l l e ga t ionsof the complaint are to be accepted as t rue . And t h i sl e t t e r from Mr. Gil lesp ie accuses the defendants andBarker , Rodems Cook of, among o ther th ings , beingincompetent and not t ru t h fu l .

And Mr. Gil lesp ie cla ims he was pres su red i n tothe lawsui t and t ha t Amscot pa id 42,000 too much to

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1 s e t t l e the case . And t ha t Mr Cook sa i d Mr Gi l l esp ie2 was s e l f i s h fo r not suing Amscot. And t ha t Am scot s3 and p l a i n t i f f counter d e fe n d a n t s a t t o r n ey s engaged in4 co l lus ion . Those are a l l t h ings t h a t a re s t a t e d in

t h i s l e t t e r .6 This i s the l e t t e r t h a t we rece ived . The f ac t7 t ha t the l e t t e r says , see copy o f the l e t t e r enclosed,8 does not o b jec t i v e ly prove t h a t the re was any l e t t e r9 enc losed . This i s what we rece ived.

The s ta tements con ta ined in t h i s l e t t e r ,11 r egard les s of whatever l e t t e r may have been a t tached ,12 are defamatory . Some o f them are defamato ry in and of13 themselves , c a l l i n g somebody un t ru th fu l , t ha t type of14 th ing . Saying t h a t people engaged in c o l l u s i o n to

force a higher se t t l ement than p l a i n t i f f and co u n t e r16 defendant wanted.17 So as f a r as the c la im t ha t Mr G i l l e sp i e makes18 in h i s argument to d ismiss , h e s v i o l a t in g the19 prov is ion of the case law t ha t says you accept the

c la ims in the l i gh t most favorab le to the nonmoving21 p a r ty , which would be us, and accept ing them as t r ue .

THE COURT: Well, Mr Rodems, are you say ing with23 r espec t to Exhib i t 2 t h a t t h a t s a l l t h a t you, t h a t24 t h a t s a l l t h a t the defendan t rece ived?

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1 received . Yes, Your Honor.2 THE COURT: Is tha t se t out in the - - let's see,')J 65 I guess t a lks about Exhibi t 2 .4 MR RODEMS: Yes, s i r .

THE COURT: I t r ea l l y doesn ' t c l a r i fy what you6 got as I read it.7 MR RODEMS: No, s i r . And I don ' t be l i eve tha t8 the pleading ru les require us to do t ha t . We are9 a l l eg ing t ha t he composed and publ i shed t h i s l e t t e r .

And Mr. Gi l l esp ie can deny tha t a l l e ga t ion if he11 doesn ' t be l ieve it's t rue . But a t t h i s po in t he12 composed and publ ished tha t l e t t e r . I t i s a fac t tha t13 we must assume on a motion to dismiss i s t rue .14 He's cla iming tha t t h i s i s n ' t a complete l e t t e r ,

but again , he ' s making an asse r t ion ou t s ide the four16 corners of the complain t to support his motion to17 dismiss , which i s not appropr ia te on a motion to18 dismiss .19 MR GILLESPIE: Actua l ly we ' re s t ay ing with in the

four corners of the l e t t e r . And it says, see copy of21 my l e t t e r enclosed. We have independent knowledge t ha t22 Mr. Macatchney of Amscot did in fac t r ece ive the23 enclosed l e t t e r because I rece ived the response from24 him by and through h is at torney . And his a t to rney

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1 Mr. Rodems I know has rece ived a copy o f t ha t l e t t e r2 from ano ther avenue.3 THE COURT: All r i gh t . Well here i s how I ll4 ru l e . I wi l l deny t h i s paragraph 3 o f your motion .

But the re w i l l be included in t h i s a s ta tement in the6 orde r i t s e l f t ha t the defendan ts rep re sen ted a t the7 hear ing t h a t the Exh ib i t 2 t ha t they rece ived cons i s t ed8 o f only one page.9 MR GILLESPIE: All r i gh t . Judge I m not

f in i shed s t a t i ng why and t h a t I ll s us t a in a cause o f11 ac t i o n fo r l i b e l . T h a t s j u s t the opener .12 THE COURT: Go ahead.13 MR GILLESPIE: T h ere s an abso lu te pr iv i l e ge14 here concern ing l i t i g a t i o n . I f you look a t the l e t t e r ,

the l e t t e r begins with a cap t ion o f t he cour t case .16 And t h a t s Clemment t a l . vs . mscot Corpora t ion with17 the case number d i s t r i c t cour t , e t c e t e r a . And it s18 addressed to Arnscot Corpora t ion , which was the19 defendan t in t h a t case. I m not even su re t ha t the

l e t t e r r i s e s to the l eve l o f pub l i ca t ion because it was21 sen t to the corpora t ion t h a t was a defendan t in the

l awsu i t .3 And t h a t s what the l e t t e r t a lks about , the

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1 th rough it for a minute . I t says , I was a p l a i n t i f f in2 the above-cap t ioned l awsu i t . While the ac t ion i s3 s e t t l e d , I r eg r e t becoming invo lved and was pre ssured4 i n to it by my l awyer .

I d o n t know t ha t tha t being p re s s u re d by a6 l awyer amounts to l i b e l . I t h ink t h a t s what lawyers7 g en e r a l l y do i s they pre ssure peop le . There may be a8 f anc ie r t erm for it, but t h a t s what they do.9 Also it s a l e t t e r o f apology to Mr. Macatchney.

I am so r ry fo r the consequences y o u r e s u f f e r ing . And11 then I go on to t e l l him the fac t s about t h i s case,12 t h a t I found disc repanc ies in the case f i l e . This i s13 pa r t o f my a t tempt to uncover the t ru t h .

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r e f l e c t i o n on his a t torney, not the de fendan t s . It s21 j u s t not about them.)0_ For something to be l ibe lous it has to concern23 the p l a i n t i f f , the counter c la imant he re . And none of24 t he se s ta tements concern them, and if they do, t he y r e

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involvement in the Ace case, and t ha t I i n i t i a l l ydecl ined Mr. Cook's s o l i c i t a t i o n to j o i n the l awsui t .And again , t h a t s saying what I did . I i n i t i a l l ydec l ined . He s o l i c i t e d it. That s his job .dec l ined t ha t .

And again , Mr. Cook sa id tha t I was s e l f i s h fornot suing Amscot. Again t h a t s Mr. Cook making as ta tement about me. I 'm not c la iming t ha t they defamedme for saying t ha t I 'm se l f i sh , and they have no bas i sunder the law to claim they have been defamed by t ha t .

During the course of l i t i g a t i o n it becameapparent to me tha t Mr. Cook and his assoc ia te s wereincompetent and not t ru t h fu l . And I th ink t ha t t h a t sbeen spe l l ed out in the complaint from the l awsu i tt h a t s agains t them. And t h i s i s where the l e t t e rt h a t s miss ing, and I have a copy of it here . Duringthe se t t l emen t nego t ia t ions , I t r i e d to s e t t l e t h i scase for 10,000 in l ega l fees and 1,000 for each ofthe th ree p la in t i f f s . See copy of my l e t t e r enc losed.

Since they haven t provided it l e t me provide ita t t h i s t ime.

THE COURT: Well, s i r , t h a t s not necessary .MR GILLESPIE: Not necessary? Thank you, Judge.Again, you ul t imate ly paid 56,000 to s e t t l e and

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on to say, t h i s i s y opinion. This i s n t put out asfac t . This i s y opinion. I was involved in a l awsui tand I 'm - - I was prepar ing to sue them on the same se tof fac t s , and th i s i s y opinion o f what happened.

And I also say, and I welcome any suppor t ingevidence. I 'm reaching out to t h i s defendant who I v eapologized to .

And I j u s t want to go back to the secondparagraph. I d o n t say tha t there was no cause ofac t ion aga ins t Amscot. I j u s t say t ha t it was a pre t t yt h in case . And a t h in case never the less i s still acase tha t can be prosecuted .

And I go on to say, in the a l t e rna t ive , i t ha tse t of fac t s i s n t correc t , in the a l t e rna t ive , perhapsyour lawyer was j u s t a very poor negot ia tor and youpa id 43,000 too much to s e t t l e the l awsu i t . I 'mspecula t ing . This i s opinion and specu la t ion . I 'mt ry ing to ge t a t the t ru t h here .

Fina l ly I t a lk about a bar complaint aga ins tMr. Cook, t ha t I f i l ed a bar complaint , and then I putthe complaint number here . And I a l so wr i t e t ha t t h i swas to no ava i l . That means t ha t the bar reviewed a l lo f these is sues here and more, and they dec ided t ha twhatever happened, t ha t t h i s d i d n t amount to anythingwrong under the F lor ida ru les governing l awyers .



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And then I go on to say, I m a v a i l a b l e to di scusst h i s fu r the r i f you wish.

TH COURT: All r i gh t . Thank you.Mr. Gi l l esp ie , l e t me again exp la in t h a t whether it sin a coun terc la im or complaint , I m l i m i t e d to lookinga t the four corners , j u s t for su f f i c i e n c y now, not themer i t s , the su f f ic iency under the law o f what sa l l eged .

They a l lege t ha t you have made fa l se s t a t ement s ,t ha t you ve damaged t he i r good name and repu ta t ion .read the l e t t e r . That s within the four corner s . Thel e t t e r says the lawyers were incompetent and nott r u th fu l . That alone, not the re may be o th e r th ingst h a t if you ve covered a l l of the p o in t s o f yourl e t t e r , it may o r may not have been an i s sue to thedefendan t s in t h i s case . I d o n t know. But t h a t alonein my mind r i s e s to the l eve l of a s u f f i c i e n t c la im ofl i b e l .

Your second point , which was - - o r my secondpo in t , it may have been your f i r s t po in t , i s t ha t youc la im these are p r iv i l eg ed communications r e l a t i n g toongoing l i t i g a t i o n . That may o r may not be the case .Under l i be l , whether you are p r i v i l e g e d in yourcommunication or not i s what i s c a l l e d an a f f i rma t ivedefense . So you must respond to the a l l e g a t i o n o f

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whether it was l ibe lous or not in your opin ion . And ifyou be l ieve t ha t t he y r e pr iv i l eged , then you r a i s et h a t as a defense.

MR GILLESPIE: And would t h a t go the same fo r aqua l i f i e d pr iv i l ege?

THE COURT: Yes s i r .MR GILLESPIE: And what about the i s sue o f not

being publ ished?THE COURT: Well s i r , my unders tanding o f the

law i s if you say something or if you w r i t e somethingand it goes to somebody e l se , t h a t s p u b l i c a t i o n . Andthey say t ha t you re the author of t h i s , and it went tosomebody bes ides them. There have to be t h ree par t i e sinvo lved . I t has to be from one p a r t y to a t h i r d p a r tyabout a second par ty . Tha t s s u f f i c i e n t to havepub l i ca t ion as I view t h i s l e t t e r .

MR GILLESPIE: All r i gh t . And whether it sopinion, Judge?

THE COURT: Again t h a t s going to be a mat te r o fdefense .

MR GILLESPIE: And with regard to t h e i rincompetency and the record shows t h a t they d id notp re v a i l in any cour t .

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MR GILLESPIE: Will I need to asse r t t ha t a tt h i s t ime?

THE COURT: No, s i r .MR GILLESPIE: Okay.THE COURT: I f you can prove to a t r i e r of fac t ,

whether t h a t s me o r a jury , tha t in fac t they wereincompetent , then the l i be l claim f a i l s .

MR GILLESPIE: All r igh t .THE COURT: All r igh t . And we have run out of

t ime. I have a 3:00. You have a 3:00 ending to your45 minutes . So we can pick t h i s up a t some o ther t ime.

MR RODEMS: There are before we close therecord, Your Honor, j u s t so tha t we re c lea r . Thereare severa l more paragraphs of t h i s motion to dismissand s t r ike counterclaim tha t have not been heard. Whenwe readjourn are we going to p ick it up from t ha tpoint?

THE COURT: Well, it s up to you where you wantto p ick it up. I v e drawn my l ine a f t e r paragraph 3.

MR RODEMS: Yes, s i r .THE COURT: Of the p l a i n t i f f s motion.MR GILLESPIE: Judge, I m not c l ea r about what s

happening. Could you help me unders tand.THE COURT: We have stopped the hear ing because

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MR GILLESPIE: Is tha t s top for the day o r j u s tfor a break?

THE COURT: It s stopped for the day.MR GILLESPIE: Thank you.THE COURT: I have o ther cases t ha t have

scheduled from 3:00 through 4:30. So to p ick up againyou have to see my jud ic ia l a s s i s t an t about addi t iona lt ime a t some fu ture date .

MR GILLESPIE: Thank you. Do I need to take anyac t ion other than tha t?

THE COURT: Mr Rodems wil l be prepar ing an orderon what we ve covered thus far , and he wi l l send it toyou for your review. Your review i s only for the form,not whether you l ike the ru l ing or not , b ut the form ofthe order . But i f the form meets with what you be l ievehappened today, then you can approve t ha t . AndMr Rodems wil l send t ha t on to me with t ha tunders tanding.

I f you disagree , then you re to provide your ownvers ion of what you bel ieve the order , the ru l ings tha tmay be covered.

MR GILLESPIE: One of the th ings Mr Rodemswanted to do was to chal lenge my qua l i f i ca t i ons toproceed pro se . Do you want to address any o f tha t a tt h i s t ime?

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STATE OF FLORIDACOUNTY OF HILLSBOROUGH

I DENISE L. BRADLEY cour t r ep o r t e r fo r thec i r c u i t cour t o f the Th i r t een th Jud ic ia l C i rc u i t o f the s t a t eof Flor ida in and fo r Hil lsborough County

DO HEREBY CERTIFY t ha t I was author ized to and didthrough use of computer-a ided t ransc r ip t ion r epor t inshorthand the proceedings and evidence in the a fo re - s t y l e dcause as s t a t e d in the capt ion the re to and t h a t theforegoing pages numbered 1 to 32 inc lus ive c ons t i t u t e at rue and co r r ec t t ransc r ip t ion of my shor thand r ep o r t o f sa idproceedings and evidence.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF I have hereun to s e t my hand inthe City o f Tampa County of Hi l lsborough s t a t e of F lo r idat h i s 6th day of Ju ly 2006.

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transcript judge nielsen 2.15pm april 25 2006 disqualif counsel

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