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Today’spodcastisgoingtobeareallyinterestingone,Ithink,becauseourguesttodayisalifelongfarmerwithalotofconnectionstofarmersinCentralAmerica,Russia,IndiaandtheUS,sotheglobalfarmingperspective.HisnameisDanKittredge.He’sthefounderandexecutivedirectoroftheBionutrientFoodAssociation.


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Backabout7yearsago,helaunchedtheRealFoodCampaigntogetfarmerspayingattentiontomakingqualityfoodtoimprovehumanityratherthanjustmakingthecheapestfood.TheBionutrientFoodAssociation’sobjectiveistoapplybionutrientfarmtechniquestojustchangethefoodsupply.Inotherwords,Danisamanaftermyownheart.Thisissoimportant.

Ifyourfoodisgood,youwillbegoodmandifyourfoodisbad,nomatterhowmuchyouwanttobegood,you’regoingtohaveaveryhardtimeperformingthelevelsyou’recapableofperforming.Foodqualitymatterssomuchmorethanfoodquantityalthoughtheybothmatter.Ifyouhavenofoodoronlyonebiteoffoodeveryday,you’llprobablystarveevenifit’sreallygoodfood.Qualityandquantitymatter,butqualitymattersmost.Dan,welcometotheshow.

Dan: Thanks.

Dave: Now,itlookslikeyouareprobablyatafarmsomewhere.Youhaveacoolrockfireplacebehindyou.Whereareyounow?

Dan: Mykitchentableactually.

Dave: Thekitchentable.Inwhatstate?

Dan: Massachusetts.

Dave: TellmealittlebitabouttheBFA?What’syourmission,whatmadeyou7yearsago?Whichwasbythewayveryearlyinoverallscopeofthings.Starttalkingaboutfoodqualityofthefarmers.Justhowdidyougetwhereyouare?

Dan: Doyouwanttheshort,medium,orlonganswer?

Dave: Probablythemedium.I’msuretherewillbelotsofthingstotalkaboutinthere.

Dan: Likeyousaid,Igrewuponanorganicfarm,hereinMassachusettsandIgotmarriedabout10,11,yearsago.WhenIgotmarried,Ihadnootherviableskillsetstopaythebillbesidesfarming.TheonlymodelthatIhadwasonethatincludedalotofworkandnotnecessarilyalotoflucre…,notmuchprofitability.

Thatwasalargepartduetocropsnotflourishing.IstartedthinkingalittlebitabouttherestofmylifeandhowhardIwantedtoworkandwhetherorganicwasactuallybetter,iftheplantsweresufferingduetotheinfestationanddisease,etceteraandstartedlookingmoreintotheliteratureofwhat’sthere.

Guesswhat,ifyoudon’tjustlookinthemainstream,there’salotofreallygoodinformationoutthere.Wwestartedlearningfromtheeldersgoingtoconferences,readingbooks,takingcourses,andpracticingonmyparent’sfarmandnowmyownfarm,andrealizedthatifyoucreateenvironmentwhereyourplantsaregettingwhattheyneed,theyflourish.It’sreallynotjustplants,obviously,it’slifeingeneralthathascertainbasicneeds.


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ThisfitinwithsomeofmylargerthingsI’dbeenworkingoninmy20sofconsciousnessandpoliticalrevolutionandthefullgamut.Itseemedtome,quiteevidentthatifwedidn’tincreasethenutritivequalityoffood,inthefoodsupplythatwewouldneverbeabletoreallyachievealotofourothersystemicobjectiveswhethertheybecarbonsequestrationorsystemicweakeningofagri-businessandpharmaceuticalindustryorincreasingofconsciousness.

Ithinkallthesethingsarebeautifullyintertwinedwithsoilandfood.Hopefullywehaveachancetogetintoallthat,butitjustfelt,andImean,inthelastbitisthatmyparentsactuallyhaveforthepast35yearsorso,runanorganicfarmingorganizationhereinthenortheastcalledNOFA.I’vegotabackgroundinthenonprofitworldandthatjustseemedlikeanaturalwaytotakewhatIwasdoinginmyownfarmandbringittoalargeraudience.

IfeltlikeifIhadgrownupanorganicfarm,andintheorganicworldandwasstillnotthatgoodofafarmer,probablyotherfarmersandotherpeopletryingtodothiskindlifestyle,we’restrugglingwiththelogisticsofactuallygrowinghealthyplants.Imeanthere’safewpointsinthere.

Dave: Allright.We’retalkingaboutsomanycoolthings,butthisismaybethefirstplacetostartwhichisthatfarmershavebeencrammeddown.Iactuallywenttoschoolforacoupleofyears,intoauniversityforacoupleofyearsintheCentralValleyinCalifornia,thefarmingareathat’sbeenhitbythedroughtandallofmyfriendswhoarefarmersorranchersouttherewerejustlamentingthefactthatyoujustcouldn’tmakemoneygrowingalmondsbecausethenthere’sanalmondprocessingboard.

Youwanttoraisechickensorturkeysandthere’sTysoninvolved.Theyfeltliketheywerelandrichbutbarelymakingapaychecktopaycheckandthenonelittlebadthinghappens,youaccidentallysprayyourselfwithroundupandyougetsickandyoucan’tworkthefarm.Youcan’taffordtopaysomeoneandboom,you’rebasicallyscrewed,andyoulosethefarm.Whathappenswhenpeopleswitchtoanorganic,highnutrientfoodkindoffarming?Whathappenstothefarmerspersonallyoreconomically?

Dan: Imean,it’saseriesofcomponents.Wegrowvegetablecropsonlessthan2acres.Ourwholefarmisabout24acres.Wehavepasturedpoultry.Wedograssfedbeef.Ithinkabigpieceoftheproblemforalotoffarmersistheydon’trealize,atleastmostoftheretaildollar,there’sonlythecommoditymarkets.

Ithinkscaleisanissuethathastobeaddressed.Obviouslythevalueadd,Imean,there’sallthissortofrudimentarylogisticsthatareprettywelldocumented.

Dave: Ithinkourlistenersthoughprobablydon’treallyunderstand,buttotheaveragelistener,vegetablescomefrom1or2places.Ifyou’rehippieorabiohacker,yougotothefarmersmarketandyoubuythemfromaguy.Youdon’tnecessarilytalktotheguyoryougetthewholefoodsoryougotoyournormalgrocerystoreandyoubuysomethingthatisMexicanorganicandyouhopeit’sokay.Alotofthosethingsthatareveryapparenttoyouandmaybesomewhattomebutwalkmethroughwhathappenstothatcarrot?Howdiditgetthereandwhatarethedifferences?


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Dan: I’lluseanexampleofpotatoesbecauseIthinkthat’sagreathereinMaine.Wehavewhat’s

calledTheCountywhichisAroostookCountyandthere’salotofpotatoesgrowninAroostookCountyinMaine.Farmersgetabout6centsapoundfortheirpotatoes?

Dave: 6centsapound?

Dan: Yeah,that’stheprice.

Dave: Justholdonasecond.Whatdopotatoescost?Idon’teatpotatoessoIdon'tknow.Whatdothecostinthegrocerystore?

Dan: Idon’tbuythembutImean,therealityismostfarmersareoperatinginacommoditysystem.They’rebasicallyacoginanindustrialwheelandsoapieceofthepuzzleformeissteppingoutofthatandbeingatahumanscale.Whowasit,Schumacher,SmallisBeautiful.Formeit’snot…Idon’twanttobeafarmerperse,IwanttohaveanicequalityoflifeandformequalityoflifeisonewhereIdon’tnecessarilyhavetoanswertoanybody.Idon’thavetoputonshoesinthemorning.

Igettoplaywithmykidsalldaylong.Igettobeinnature.It’ssomeoverarchingaspect.Therootquestionyouwereaskingwasaboutwhathappenswhenpeoplestartgrowinghealthyplants?Theanswerissimplythatyougetmoreproductivitythatyourproductionincreaseswhenyourplantsarehealthybecausethey’renotsuccumbingtoinfestationanddisease.

Yourcostofproductiongoesdown.Itcostsyoulesstoproducesoyoucouldactually,youdon’thavetochargeoutrageoussums.Youcanmeetthemarketpriceinthegrocerystoreoratthehealthfoodsstore.You’regettingallthatmoneythatmostlyisgoingtogotothemiddlemen.ThewaythecommoditysystemworksisinVermontpeoplegrowlotsofkaleforinstanceandtheymakeit25centsabunchforthekaleor30centsabunchforthekaleandinthegrocerystore,itcostsyou2.50or3bucks.Idon'tknowaboutcost.Mostofthatisgoingtogotothegrocerystoreandthemiddlemannottothefarmer.

Dave: Themiddlemengoestolike20farms.Hebuysalltheirkale,putsitintoasemi-truckandbringsittothegrocerystoreandmarksitupsomemore?

Dan: Whoknowhowmanylevelofmenthereare,butoneaspectofmysuccess,Ithinkorabilitytoworknotveryhardtomakegoodmoneyfarmingistohaverelationshipswithmycustomersnottobesellingintoacommoditysystem.That’soneoftheproblemsinsunvalleyandothermajorindustrialregionsistheyaren’tnecessarilyworkingtoselldirectlytotheircustomers,they’resellingintoindustrialsystems.That’satangenttoalargerconversationIthink.

Dave: Ithinkforpeoplelistening,ifyouwanttogetbionutrientrichfood,oneofthefirststepsisbuyfromafarmerratherthanfromamiddlemanoragrocer.AmIrightaboutthat?

Dan: Notnecessarily.


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Dave: Youcanstillgetcrackfoodfromfarms.

Dan: Whatisbionutrientforstarters?That’satermwecoinedoutofthinairtorefertoqualitytorefertoflavorandaromaandnutritivevaluebecausethere’salotoflabelsouttherethatarebasicallyprocessedlabelslikeorganicisaprocessstandard,biodynamicisprocessstandard.Localislogisticalbutithasnothingtodowithquality.That’sperse.

Asanimals,weareevolvedtodiscerninaverysophisticatedmannerrelativenutritivevaluebecausethat’swhatmakessomethinggoodforuswhichgivesusthevigor,thevitality,resistanttodisease,etcetera.Ideallytofunctionthehighlevelsofconsciousness.Imean,assomebodywhogrewupintheorganicmovementI’mhappytosayasliteratureseemstosaythatthere’snotamajorspectrumofvariationbetweenorganicandconventionalasfarasnutritionisconcerned.

Thereisamajorvariationasfarastoxiccompoundsareconcernedbutit’snotaboutlessbad,it’saboutmoregood.We’retryingtoincreasenutritivevalueandthatdoesinterestinglycorrelatewithflavorandaroma.Itcertainlyismucheasiertotastegoodifitwaspickedyesterdayriperatherthanpickedaweekor2weeksagoraw.

Localisprobablybetter.Organicisprobablybetter.Permaculture,biodynamic,etceteraisprobablybetterbutevenwithinthoserealms,there’saprettymajorspectrumandwhatwe’retryingtofocusonistheactualnutritivevalue,theactualflavor,thearoma,howgooditisforyouasopposedtohownotbaditisforyou.

Dave: InmyfactmyfavoritebeefrancherontheplanetisGlennElzingafromAlderspring.He’sbeenaguestontheshow.Theguyisaformersoilbiologistwhobecamearancherandwetalkedabouthowthewayheraiseshisgrassfedcattle,theywalkaroundon,Ithinkit’s100squaremilesofranchland.Thecowspickthespecifictuftofgrassthathastherightnutrientsforthem.

CowA,pickstherightgrass.CowB,pickstherightgrass.Fewpeoplehavehadachancetoexperiencethisbutifyoulivenearareallyhighqualityfarmersmarket,IusedtogotothesamefarmersmarketinCaliforniaforjustabouteverySunday.There’s100vendorsatleast.Inseason,there’s20peoplesellingpeachesandthere’s20peoplesellingpeasorwhatever.

Youcouldsamplethedifferentones.There’saverynoticeabledifferenceinflavor,quality,howlongitlastswhetheritspoilsquicklyordoesn’tspoilquicklyandhowyou’refeelingwhenyou’redoneeatingit.Afterawhile,ittakesayear.Youknowwhat,thekohlrabifromthatguy,thosearethebestkohlrabi.Bythewaykohlrabi,ifyoudon’tknowwhattheyare,youknowwhattheyarebutpeoplelisteningdon’t.They’reliketheseweirdrootvegetablesthatarelikeanundergroundroot.

Dan: It’snotroots.No,it’ssomewhere.It’sabovetheroot.

Dave: Oh,isit?

Dan: It’slikeagoiter.


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Dave: Itfeelslikeyou’reeatinglikeacrossofturnipandbroccoli.Idon'tknowIlovekohlrabi.

Dan: It’sbetweentheturnipandthebroccoli.It’sinthemiddle.It’sinthestem.It’sabiggoiterinthe

stem,anyway.

Dave: Ididn’tactuallyknowitwasagoiterbutthat’scool.

Dan: It’sfunctionallylikethat.

Dave: Theideathatthere’ssomedifference.Justlikeyousaid,yousayit’saboutconsciousness.Whenyoueattherightfoodthat’ssourcedtherightwayandcookedtherightwaywitharightkindsoffatsandyoudidn’tdamagethefoodbyovercookingitoraddingweirdchemicalstoit,yougetafoodhigh.It’snotlikeanopiatehigh,it’safoodhighthat’slikewow,everythingisrunningthewayitcouldandIhavethisstateofenergythatIdidn’thavebefore.Itdidcomeevenfromcaffeine.Itcamefromthefood.

Dan: Exactly.

Dave: Iworkedtorecreatethatatthebulletproofcoffeeshop.WehaveafullrestaurantmenuinSantaMonica.We’resourcinglocalbutIdon’thaveaway.Thisisimportant.Thisismyquestionforyou.

Dan: Backtothecrooks,yes.

Dave: Icaregreatlyaboutthisstuff.Italkaboutitallthetime.Ihavechefswhowillworkwithmeandcooksandsupplychainpeople.WebuteverythinglocalandorganicforthestorebutIstilldon’thaveawaywithoutgoingdownthereandpersonallyknowingthefarmersandtastingallthestuffinordertoimparttheknowledgethatIhavefrombeingafoodhackertothepeoplewhopurchasefortherestaurant.Iknowwemakegoodstuff.IeatthefoodtherebutcouldIsourceslightlyhighernutrientdensityofvegetables.Withouttensofthousandsofdollarsoflabtesting,howcouldIdobetter?

Dan: Imean,that’sreallythecrutchoftheissue.Ithinkthere’salotofpiecesofthepuzzlebutwhatweareworkingon,it’saslowbutsteadyanddeepprocessisdiscerninghavingthecapacitytoempiricallydiscernrelativequality.ThefantasyvisionhereisthatyoucantakesomethinglikeapointerfromaPowerPointpresentationandyoucanflashitatacucumberandthey’lltellyourelativelypoor,average,excellentoracarrotoracucumber.

Thosecompoundsthatcorrelatewithflavorandnutritionarethey’rearomaticcompounds,they’resecondarymetabolites.There’sfancynamesforthem,terpenoidsandphenolicsandetcetera,etcetera,etcetera,buttheyactuallyhavedifferentchemicalstructuresanddifferentphysicsvibrations.Ifyouflashalightandthatlightistunedright,andthemeterthatbouncesbackistunedright,itcantellyourelatively,thisisahighqualitycucumber.

OurobjectivewiththeorganizationwiththeBFAisnottohavealabel,nottohavea


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certificationprocessbuttohaveanempiricalmetricwhichiswhatisthescienceofqualityandcanwegivethattotheconsumerbecauseforbetterorforworseintoday’sdayandage,moneyseemstotalkandmostpeopleseemtobuyfood.

Mostofthemdon’tgrowtheirownfood.Thosewhobuyfood.Alotofpeoplethesedaysaregettingsick.Alotofpeoplegotodoctors.Alotofpeopleareonvariouspharmaceuticalsbecausethey’redegenerating,they’rebreakingdownthey’rephysiologicallynotfunctioningwell.Thathasattherootofit,foodqualityasthesolution,asfarasI’mconcerned.

Ifwecangiveconsumerswhocareabouttheirhealthandthehealthoftheirchildren,thehealthoftheirspouses,etcetera,theabilitytotestqualityinthegrocerystore,attheFarmersMarket.Betweengrocerystores,howevertheypurchasetheircrops,Idon’treallycarebutifwecangivethemtheabilitytotestqualityandlookbeyondthelabelofthemarketingandallthatjazz,toreallyempiricallywhat’sinandwhat’snotinyourfood.Theideaisthatthatwouldhaveadramaticeffectonthefoodsupplyatlarge.Icangointothatingreatdetail.Iwouldbereallyexcitedtotalkaboutit.

Dave: It’saholygrailofchefsandofpeoplewhocareabouttheirhealthbecausewetalkedaboutthis.Infact…

Dan: Eventhegovernment,thegovernmentisnowpayingforpeople’shealthcare.Ifyouwanttosolvedegenerativediseasessystemically,ifyouwanttoactuallycure,it’sgoingtobankruptthegovernment.Imean,it’snotjustfoodies,it’sdowntosometrulypowerfulforces.Imean,itispowerfulforces,butsorrytointerrupt.

Dave: It’sokay.Idon’twanttosoundlikeaconspiracytheoristbecauseI’mnotbutIcantellyouintheUS,inthehealthcaresystem,there’salotofpeoplemakinginsaneamountsofmoneythroughthegovernmentgoingbankruptandalotofthemareactuallycontrollingthegovernmentandallthat.Thesamethinggoes,bythewaywithwars.

Dan: Iwasanactivistfor10yearsbeforeIgothere.

Dave: Gotit.Whenitcomestowarandwhenitcomestomedicine,it’sbankruptingthegovernmentandmakingalotofpeoplereallywealthyasithappensandthosewealthypeoplearelaughingwhileithappens.I’mnotsurethattheUSisproperlysetuptobeincentedtofixthis,butplaceslikeSweden,wherethegovernmentactuallydoespayforhealthcarewithoutenrichingpeopletothatextent.

They’rechangingtheirnationalguidelinesaroundsaturatedfatandthingshavehappenedthere.Thewholeidea,evenbehindtherecommendationsIhaveintheBulletproofdietlikethere’saspectrum.It’slikelook,youneedtowritestuffbutyouneedtoeatlessofthebadstuffthat’sinthegoodstuffandmoreofthegoodstuffthat’sinthegoodstuff.

Foodqualityisreallyimportantandavoidingallthesepesticidesandspraysandothertoxinsinfood.That’stherecipeforpeoplewhocanthinkfullywiththeirbrainandcanlivefullyintheirbodyandemotionsinthatwholecreativeconsciousnesskindofpower.Itcomesfromfood.It


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doesn’tcomefromfoodthathaschemicalsonitthatdon’tbelongtherethatinhibitmitochondrialrespirationorsomething.It’snotlikeyoucoulddojustoneofthosethings.

Youcanbeclosertoperfectorfurtherfromperfectbutifyouhavenutrient-densefoodthat’scoatedincyanide,it’sactuallynotreallyokay.Ourthoughtprocessashumanshasn’tbeenlikethatbecausehistoricallythiswasn’tasbigofadeal.Weevolvedtoeatthefoodthatwasnearus,thatwasmostavailablethatwasmosthealthy.

Dan: AsIunderstandit,thefunctionofourDNAgoestothefunctionofournoseandourtongue.Abodilyfunctionreproduction,allthesekindofstuffdoesn’ttakemuchDNA.AlotofourDNAisaboutsophisticationofoursensesofsmellandtastebecausethat’ssoimportanttoouroverallfunction.Youprobablyareawareofthat.

Dave: Thisiscool.Ourlistenersarealwaysenjoyingtheconversation.It’sfunnybecauseevensomething.There’ssomereallyprimordialsenseincompoundsthatonecalledsubstancepeawhichisaroundpainperception.Funnyit’sactivatedbycayenneorcapsaicin.Thehotpepperandthingslikethat.It’sthesameinslugs.It’soneofthemostprimordialthingsineverykindofanimalouttherebecauseitwasoneofthemostenvironmentalsensingthings.

Italsoistieddramaticamountsofinflammation.Youeatnutrient-densefoodswithoutthrowingstuffinthemandyoucanaffectthelevelsofsubstancePinyourbody.Whenthosearehigh,yourchancesofneurodegenerationgoup.Whenthosearelow,yourchancesofhavingahealthynervoussystemgoup.You’relikewaitaminute,whetherornotIgetMSorParkinson’sorAlzheimer'sistiedtothemostprimordialsensingcompoundeverthatyoucouldusetotasteyourvegetables.

Dan: Right.

Dave: Somethingthatmakesmelaughthoughislikewehavethisamazingarrayofequipmentforsensingtheenvironmentaroundusandnowwe’relookingatmakingalasertotestthecucumberinsteadofjusttakingabitebeing,“Thiscucumbersucks.”

Dan: It’sironicatleastbutthefactiswe’vebeendumpeddown.Wehavelostour…No,wehaven’tlostthem,thesesenses.Wehavenottrainedthem.Imean,what’sstillbogglesmymindisthatpeopledon’tlikethingslikebroccoliandbeets.OnlywhenIgoandeatstore-boughtstuffdoIunderstandwhybecausetheytastelikecrap.Wedohavethesensingtechniquesinpeaches.Imean,buyastore-boughtpeach…

Dave: They’regross.

Dan: They’rerepugnant.Thenpickapeacjoffatreethat’sripeandyou’relike,“Ohmygod,that’sarevelatoryexperience.”

Dave: Ihavetosaywhenthere’sgarbanzobeans,nooneactuallyreallylikegarbanzobeans.

Dan: Itmakessense.Whydon’tyouincludehummus?


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Dave: Let’sfaceitguacamoleorhummus?Youknowyou’regoingtoeattheguacamole.

Dan: Idon'tknow.Ifbuyalotofthosethings,avocadointhestorehere,inMassachusettsatleast,

versusyou’reinIndiaandyoueatanavocadoyoujustpickedoffatree.

Dave: Bigdifference.

Dan: It’satotallydifferentexperience.Thespectrumofvariationinthesecropsismajor,butanyway.

Dave: I’mwithyoutherethequalityandthetypeofavocado.We’retalkingaboutfoodandconsciousnessandthisideaofalaserthatyoupointatyourfood.IlookedtosolvethisproblemwithcoffeebecauseIwashavingamassivereactiontomostcoffees.I’velivedinhouseswithtoxicmolds.Funnyofwhich,thisisasoilfungusthat’snormalinsoil,thathasbeenamplifiedinitsbadnessbysprayingantifungalchemicalsonfarms.

That’soneofthereasonswehavethisindoormoldcrisiswheremoldgrowsinsidehousesandgetspeopleevensickerthanitdid50yearsago.Oneofthethingsthataffectedmepersonally.Irantothiswithcoffeeandweactuallydomassspectrometertestingonthecoffeewhichdoesn’tshowsomeofthestuffthat’sinthecoffeebecauseofmasking.I’velookedreallydeeplyatthislikehowdoIaffordablytestcoffee?

Likeyou,Idreamofbeingabletowalkintoacoffeehouse,shinethelaseratcoffeebeanssolike,“Youknowwhat,thoseareclean,I’lldrinkthose.”Asitisnow,Iuselaboratorytestingthatisn’tmassspectrometerbasedforsomeofthetoxinsinmassspectrometerorforothertoxins.Howclosearewetohavingthemagiclasersaysthisisnutrient-densefoodanditlooksalmostthesameasthisnotnutrient-densefood?Areweyearsordecadesawayfromthis?

Dan: It’smoreofaquestionofmoneythantime.

Dave: Howmanydollarsawayarewe?

Dan: Millions.Lessthanhundredsofmillions,probablymorethan10.Itcouldbedecades.Itcouldbedecades,itcouldbe2or3years.Logistically,whatwe’redoinginthebackendwiththeorganizationiswe’vedonesomerudimentaryresearchprojectsbutwhatwereallyhadtodowaswehadtoestablishacomprehensivedatasetforcarrots.

Thecomparisondatasetforcucumbersandtomatoesandeverythingelse,what’sthespectrumofvariation,minerals,compounds,aminoacids,proteinsecondarymetabolitesandthenwhat’sthespectralsignatureofthesethings.Thenbuildadatasetandthenanalgorithmandprogramagizmo.Imeanit’saquestionoflogistics.We,asanorganization,fairlyyoungandfairlysmallandthatmeanswedon’thavetheresources.It’saquestionofbuildingthemomentumandtherelationships.

Ihadtosayonethingaboutthenutrientdensitytermbecauseit’sonethatIfeelpartlyresponsibleforhelpingtopopularize8,9years,ago,andIdon'tknowwhathappened.About5


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yearsago,peoplestartedusingthetermnutrientdensity.It’slikeorganic.Organicusedtomeancontainscarbon.WhenIwasin4thgrade,ItoldmyscienceteacherthatIwasanorganicfarmerandshesaid,“Whatareyoutalkingabout?Allfarmersareorganicfarmers.Organicmeanscontainscarbon,youstupidchild.”

WhenIwasinjuniorhighor9thgrade,allofasuddeneverybodyknewwhatorganicmeant.Nutrientdensityalreadymeanssomethinginfoodscience.Ithadnothingtodowithwhatpeoplewhowerethrowingthewordaroundusingittome.

Dave: Thisisoneofmyfavoritetopics.

Dan: Imean,it’sjustalittlepetpeeveofmine.Ihaveactivelystoppedusingthewordforthepast4or5yearsbecauseitalreadymeanssomethingandthatisnutrientdensityinfoodsciencemeanskaleismorenutrient-densethanricebecausekalehasmorenutritionperunitcalorieonaveragethanricedoes.Thenutrientdensityofkaleisconsideredtobethesameregardless.Thenutrientdensityofriceisconsideredtobethesameregardless.

Whenthefoodieswhoareonthecuttingedgestartbubblingupagainstthefoodscientists,there’sgoingtobemaybesometension.Imean,formethat’swhywecreatedthetermbionutrientbecausewewanttousethetermthatdoesn’talreadyexistanddefineitempiricallysothatwecanactuallycomeoutwithsolidsciencethatisirrefutablethatsaysthisishigherqualitythanthat,morenutritious,moreflavorful,morearomatic.

Idon’tliketousebuzzwords,nutrientdensityisbecomingabuzzword.Ithinkthat’sreally…Itgoestofattismandsimplicityofthought.Iliketohaveabitofamorecomplicatedconversation.We’retalkingaboutnutritionandflavorandaroma,healthgivingattribute,butanywaylet’sjustsaythat.

Dave: Let’stalkalittlebitmoreabouthowscrewedupnutrientdensityisbecauseIthinkalotofpeoplelisteningtothis,thisisaneye-openingconversationforthem.Awhileback,oneoftheveganauthorsoftheradicallowfatguys.It’sallaboutagri-nutrientdensityandwhatthey’redoingisthey’reincorporatingthewatervalueoffoodintherethat’ssayinginthismuchofthisthing,ifyouignorewaterthere’sthismuchnutrientifitwasgrowninsoil.Theylookatatablefrom1950.

Dan: Onaverage.

Dave: Onaverage,right.Whichaverage…

Dan: Exactly.

Dave: It’safraudulentconcept.

Dan: AggregateNutrientDensityIndex.You’retalkingaboutJoelFuhrmanwithfoods?

Dave: Iamindeed.


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Dan: Theendofscale.

Dave: Itteachesyoutoeatfoodwithnoenergyinthemsoyou’reconstantlyhungry.

Dan: Idon'tknowthedetails.Ijustknowabouttheaveragewhichmissesthepoint.

Dave: Theaveragemissesthepointbecausetheidea,there’s2things.Oneisyou’llbehungryallthe

timebecausethemostnutrient-densityfoodeverisahandfulofmultivitamins.There’salmostnocaloriesandit’sjustvitamins.Ofcourseyou’llstarvetodeathofthat’sallyoueatandyourliverwillshutdown,sothat’saproblem.

Nutrientdensitydoesn’tworkfromthatthingandunlessvegetableshavebeenbestowedalchemicalpowerstogeneratemineralswhentherearenone,youcannotsaythatspinachhasironinitunlessthesoilhadiron.ThefactthatspinachalongtimeagohadironinitwhensomeonemeasureditinUCDavisin1965,doesn’tmeanthatyourspinachyou’rebuyingatthegrocerystorehasanyironinit.

Dan: InfacttheUSDAdataiscategoricalofthisfactandsaysbasicallythataveragenutrientlevelsincropshavebeendecreasingsincethey’vebeendocumentingitforthepast80years.Mostimportantly,thereisnoaggregatethatI’mbuyingtheaggregatenagofspinach.You’rebuyingspinachwhichissomewhereonthespectrumandyoucan’tdiscernthatthenyoudon’treallyknowwhatyou’regettinganyway.Ithinkwe’reonthesamepagehere.

Dave: Wearebitforpeoplelisteningwho’ssaying,“Igetallmynutrientsfrommyfood.”No,youdon’t.Youdon’thaveanyideawhat’sinyourfoodtogod’shonesttruth.Evenifyougotoyourfarmersmarketandyoubuyfromthepersonwiththemostdreadlocks,itdoesn’tmatter.Youdon’tknowwhat’sinthere.

Dan: Thequestionishowdoesittaste?Ifyoubuyorganiccarrotsthattastelikesoapandaresomewhatrepugnanttoyou,thatisyourbodytellingyourelativequalitiescrack.Wedon’tneedameter.Weonlyneedameterifwewanttodealwithanindustryandagri-businessandthefoodsupplyatlarge.Imean,IhadthisconversationwithaguyatwholefoodswhowasfairlyhighupafewyearsagowhenIwastalkingtohimaboutthisgizmoandhesaid,“Notafreakingchancethatwe’regoingtoputanymoneyintothistohelpyoudoitbutwhenyoudogetthemoneyandyou’rewellinthewaytoit,ifyouwouldn’tmindgivingusaheadsup,wewilltellallofourgrowersthattheyhavetobestandard.

Basicallywesaid,“Whenyouknowyourtreeisupandhavingthistool,cometellus.”We’lltellofourgrowerstheyhave2yearstomeetstandardbecausetheyknowtheimportanceofthis.Theyunderstandtheimportanceofqualityandnutritionandthey’rehappytocollaborate.Ithinkforastrategicstandpointifwewanttoaffectthefoodsupplyatlarge,youwanttoaffectatlarge,youwanttoaffectcarbonsequestration,agri-business,Ithinkwedohavethepowerwiththepeople,withthemoneywespendbuyinggofoodbutweneedtousescienceandweneedtousetechnologybecausethosearethemodesoftheagetohidebehind,tofacilitateourobjectives.That’sthebasicpitch.


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Dave: It’sapowerfulpitch.Now,haveyoulookedatdoingatXPRIZEaboutthis?Areyoufamiliarwith

theXPRIZEFoundation?

Dan: Iamveryopentocollaborationandsupport.Iknowthere’slotsofmoneyontheWestCoast.Variousbigmoneypeopleandgoodideas.

Dave: I’lldomybesttoseethatPeterDiamandisseesthis.

Dan: It’saboutrelationships.It’sallaboutrelationshipssoifyouknowsomebodywhoknowsomebody,Iammorethanhappytoflyoutthereandhaveaconversation.

Dave: I’llmakesurethatIgetthisintotheideathing.IknowalotoftheinnovationmembersfortheXPRIZEboard,thesearetheguyswhodecidewherethenextXPRIZEwouldgo.WejusthadanXPRIZEcomeoutforeducation.Howdoyoumakeitsoyoucangetbasicnumeracyandliteracyforlessthan100bucksonadevicethatcanteachkidswithnoadultspresent?

Thatwouldchangetheworld.That’ssomethingthatIwaslikeallright,I’llhelptopromotethis.Thisisreallyimportant.That’ssomethingthat’shappeningbutthisisthetypeofthingthatprizesmightbereallyhelpfulfor.NopromisestherebutIwillmakesurethatthepeoplewhomakethosedecisionshavethisintheirideabucketlist.

Actually,Iknowmanyofthemwillhearthisinterview.There’salsocrowdfundingbecauseifit’samatterof$10millions,that’salotforcrowdfundingbutifyoucangetsomeprogresswithevenamillionbucksandthengetmoreinvestors,therearelotsofinvestorswhowoulddosomethinglikethisassumingthatthesciencecanhappeninareasonableamountoftime.Itmightbe.Thisisaworldchangingidea.

Dan: WecangointothedetailsofwhothelabsareworkingwithandthePhDsthatareorganizingtheresearchproject.Imean,we’vebeentryingtokeepafairlylowprofileandletouractionspeaklouderthanourwordsandbuildthefoundationofanorganizationandaconceptandthestrategymorethanthroughoutandrunaftermoneyandmakeabighoo-hah.

Ithinkwe’reinaplacerightnowactuallywherewe’rewillingtomakemorenoiseandstartreachingoutbecausewe’vegotthepeople.We’vegotthestaff.We’vegottheprofessionalPhDstodothejobproperlyandwegetthelabstoworkwiththatarenotchargingusanarmandlegasyouknowaboutafinalchemicalanalysisforacarrotis400bucks.Sorry.

Dave: Wespendalotof…

Dan: Onjustcarrotsisalotofmoney.That’sonlycarrots.

Dave: Wespendalotontestingcoffeeandit’soneofthethingswhereIhavesetorprocessingandreallyitwassetofgrowingtechniquesandit’sreallytough.There’sotherthingsIwanttotestthatIcan’ttestrightnowbecausethenthecoffeewouldbemorethanadollarapoundmoreexpensive.Consumersdon’twanttopayforacertainlevelofquality,butideally,whatyou’re


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talkingaboutisessentiallyfree.Youbuyadevice,youputitatthegrocerystoresopeoplecouldjustuseitandthenetcostpertestapproacheszero.

Dan: Whatwe’retalkingabouthere,Imean,ideallysothisisthelogisticsis,Imean,Ihavedefinitelybeenapproachedbypeoplewhoarewillingtoputventurefundinginandtheideathereisthattheyownit.Imean,whatwe’retryingtodowithanonprofitistosaythisshouldbeanopensourcedataset.Thisshouldnotbeproprietary.Thisshouldbetransparentandanybodywhoiscuriousorissuspiciousorcriticaloranythingcanlookatit,canlookatallthescience,canlookattheinformation.Youdon’thavetotrustus.

Theycanactuallydotheirownduediligence.Anybodywhowantstomanufactureatool,here’sadataset.Ifyoucanbuildatoolthatcandoit,goforit.We’llgiveyouoursealedapproval.We’retalkingabout,ideally,thisisacouplehundreddollargizmo.Thisistheprizeofsmartphoneandreallyideallyacouplegenerationsdownversion2.0and3.0.Itisanappthatcanbedownloadedonyoursmartphoneandyoursmartphonecameracantakethatpicture.AndumasIunderstandthetechnologylogistics,itisentirelydoable,anyway.

Dave: It’llhappenandthere’s…

Dan: Ithoughtweweregoingtotalkmoreaboutagronomyandhowtoactuallybuildsoilandgrowupthecrops

Dave: We’lltalkaboutthat.Imean,whatwe’retalkingabouthereishowdoyoucreatedisruption?Howdoyouhacksomethingthatreallyneedshacking.WhenIputonmyventurecapitalisthat,andI’veworkedonSandHillRoadatTrinityVentureswhoarenowbackersofBulletproof.Therearelotsofexamplesforpeoplelisteningprobably,someofthemhaveheardofit.Therearelotsofbusinessmodelsaroundopensourcewhereinvestorsputmoneyandyetthereisanopensourcedata,soanyonewhowantstocanpullthewidget.There’sprobablyawaytoget…

Dan: I’msureitcanbedone.Iknowitcanbedone.

Dave: Ithinksotoo.Itwouldbeoneofthoseworldchangingreallybigthingswhichisprettyexciting.

Dan: CanIgointosomeoftheimplications,theworldchangingthingsjustbecausethisisimportant?

Dave: Yeah,please.

Dan: I’mreallyafarmerandI’mnotaBCguy.Myunderstandingisthateverygreenleafhas,whatmakesitgreenischlorophyllandwhatisinchlorophyllisthechloroplast.Everygreenleafyouseeisfullofchloroplast.Whathappensinwhatchloroplastisthatcarbondioxideandwaterandsunlightareturnedintosugarandoxygen.Inahealthyplantonedoesnotfedsolublenutrients,notfedinNPKdietwhetherorganicorconventional,ahealthyplanttakes2/3ofthatsugaritmanufactures,injectsintothesoil,tofeedsoillifebecausethesoillifeistheoneswhocouldn’tactuallysolubilizethesoil.Getthecopperandthezincoutofthesoil,digestedintoaprotoplasmicformandfeedittotheplant.


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Foundationsofhowplantsgrowistheymakesuretheyinjectit,intothesoil,tofeedsoillifewhothengooutandsolubilizethesoiltofeeduptotheplant.Acorollaryofthatprocessisyou’retakingcarbondioxideoutoftheatmosphereputtingitintothesoil.Myunderstandingisyoucanincreaseorganicmetalevelsby1/2%ayearsimplythroughgrowingplants,notaddingcompost,notbringingmulch,simplygrowinghealthyplantssequesterscarbonandifyouweretoapplythatconceptuallyontheworld’sagriculturallens,we’retalkinglike3or4yearstosequesterallthecarbonthat’sbeenaddedtotheatmospheresince1750.

Anybodywho’sgotaproblemwithglobalwarmingthisisyouranswer,healthyfood.Growingcrops,actuallyhealthyfood,notonlyisitgoodforyou,it’sactuallygoodfortheenvironment.Systemicallydeeplyprofoundly.I’mnottalkingabouttheaquifersandthedeadzonesandnoteventalkingaboutthatkindofstuffbutsomeofthemoredeepersystemicstuff/

Dave: Itmattershowwegrowbecauseoneoftheguestthatwason.IthinkitmighthavebeenGlennfromAlderspringwastalkingabouthowifyougotowherethey’regrowinggeneticallymodifiedcornandyouscrapethesoil,it’slikesawdust.Thereisnolifeinthatsoil.

Dan: Precisely.

Dave: You’renotgettingthecarbonsequestrationfromthosecrops.

Dan: You’reactuallyburningoffcarbonandturningitintotheatmosphere.Myunderstandingisthatthere’smorecarbonintheatmospherefromagriculturethanfromburninghydrocarbons.Agriculturehasburntoffthetopsoilwhichisprimarilyorganic.TheyburnoutthroughorganicmatterandturneditintoCO2intheatmosphereandthat’swhatchemicalfarmingdoes.

Dave: Didyoujustsaythatvegansareresponsibleforglobalwarming?IthinkIheardyousaythat?

Dan: Nothingofthatsort.

Dave: Justkidding.

Dan: ifyouareeatinghighqualitygarbanzobeans,youarehelpingsequestercarbon.Ifyou’reeatinglowqualitygarbanzobeans,you’rehelpingburnoffthesoil.Ithaseverythingtodowiththequalityofthecrop,notthecropitself.

Dave: Ithastodowiththequalityofthecrop.

Dan: Chickens,thewholething.

Dave: I’mwithyouthere.Oneoftheargumentsthatconstantlyhappensintheblogosphereit’slikelookNO,Grassfeedordon’teatitwhenitcomestoanimalsforexactlythatreasoninadditiontoanimalcruelty,inadditiontosupplychainandnumberofdeathspercalorie.

Dan: Itwillhelpforthatmatter.


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Dave: Thatwholelivingalongtimethingisimportant.Allofthosereasons.Thesamethinggoesforyourcarrots.That’sonereasonwhyIliveona32acreorganicfarmandit’snotallfarm,infactit’sonlylikehalfacrefarmnowbutwegrowallofthefood.Ittakestofeedmyfamilyonmyproperty.Why?BecauseIthinkthisisthebestwayIknowtoliveforeverandI’mstillahalfhourfromanairport.I’mnotinthemiddleofnowherebutIchangedmylifedramaticallybecausemyownresearchtellsmethisisthewaytodoit.

Formostofmylife,Ihaven’tdoneitthiswaybutI’vegonetothefarmer’smarket.I’veintentionallyfocusedonqualityfoodandgettingthebestbutter.Actuallyitmattersbecauseitmattersfortheenvironmentanditmattersforthewaymybrainworks.

Dan: Yourchildren.Ifyougotchildren.Youwantthemtobestrongandintelligentandsentient,healthy.It’sfoundational.Thefoodtheyeatisit’sfoundational.Theirfunction,Ithink.

Dave: It’sbecomeapparenttome.Myfirstbookwasaboutepigenetic.Howtheenvironmentincludingfoodaffectsmulti-generations.Itwaswhatdoyoudoasahumanwhowantstohavehealthygrandkidsandhealthychildrenandsmarterkids.There’s1300referencesinthatbook.Whatyoudonow,whatyou’recapableofdoingnowisinsomemeaningfulpartdeterminedbythefoodyou’regrandmotherate.

Dan: Absolutely.

Dave: WhenIlookatwhatwe’vedonetoourfoodandwhatourgrandkidsaregoingtolooklike,themovieIdiocracyseemstobeagoodmodel.

Dan: That’swhywehaveepidemiclevelsofdegenerativedisease.Wearedevolvingasaspeciesbecauseofthequalityofourfood.Imeanyougotaproblemwiththepoliticaldebate,youhaveaproblemwiththelowlevelofintelligenceandthepoliticaldebate,it’sbecausethelowlevelofintelligencewhichisbecausewehavealowqualityiffood.Imean,forme,allthesethingsarebeautifullyinterrelated.

Dave: Theyare.

Dan: Growingandeatinghighqualityfoodisoneofthemostactivist,radical,politicalspiritual,economic,philosophicalthingsyoucandoonanactualreallevel.

Dave: Now,theslightlyskepticalbiohackerinme,isgoingtosayallright,youandIareclearlyinalignment.Ieatthemistbad-assfoodontheplanetasfarasIgo.Idothisbydesign.Ipeeinmyowngarden.Ihavethemostexpensivepeeintheplanetaccordingtomen’sfitnessthismonthbecauseItakealotofvitamins.Ifsomeofthevitaminsgetwashedoutofmysystem,Idon’tcare.Igivethemtothegardens.There’sanargumentaboutshouldyoutakevitaminsornot.

Dan: Wecandiscussthat.Thatwasn’tthepointyou’remaking.

Dave: Itwasn’t.Itwasthatifsomeoneisoutthere,you’resayingallright,I’minasituationwhereI’mnotgoingtogetthemostbadassfoodontheplanetbecauseIcan’tafforditbecauseI’macity,


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becauseI’mtravellingandI’monanairplane,whateverthedealis.

Itseemslikeyoucantakewholefoodconcentrates,socalledsuperfoods,althoughlotofthosearefullofgarbageoryoucouldeventakeminerals,specificchelatedformsofmineralsthathavebeenfermentedorboundtoaminoacidsandallthethingsyoucando.Youcantakethoseasaninsurancepolicyontopofyourfoodandmovetheneedleintherightdirection.Whatdoyouthinkaboutthatidea?

Dan: Ithinkit’sbettertosupplementyourdietandIthinkthere’sprobablyabunchofgoodscienceoutthereandthere’slotsofgoodcompaniesprovidinghighqualitysupplements.Ithinkweevolvedtoeatfood.Forme,it’saquestionofthesystemicsupplychainandsurepeoplehavetheircrisismanagementstrategies.Idon’tthinkwebelonginthecitiesinthefirstplace.

Dave: Wedon’t.

Dan: What’sexcitingtomeisbecauseit’sgettingsodifficultouttherewithalltheeconomiclogistics,it’smoreandmorefeasibleforpeopletobuy5or10and20acresfor10and$20,000andsetuptheirownoperation.Imean,Itravelaroundthecountry,theNorthAmericaprettymuchatthispointandgivecoursestogrowersaboutprinciplesofbiologicalsystems.Howdoyouintelligentlyworkwiththelandtogrowhighqualityfoodandideallymakealivingaswell.Thereisalotofreallyinexpensivelandinthiscountry.Beautiful,wonderfullandthatIthinkgettingitthehelloutofthecityisnotthebeststrategy.Thatmaybetoomuchofajunk.

Dave: Dependingonwhatyourcareeris.It’snotthatbigofadeal.Somanybigcompaniesallowyoutoremotelyworknow.Mysisterworksforabigcompany.

Dan: Notthatyouwanttoworkforabigcompany.

Dave: Alotofpeople,apaycheck,healthinsurance,yougotkids.There’snothingwrongwithworkingforabigcompany.Ididfor20years,startups,theykeptgettingbought.Reallythevalueofapaycheckcanbuythefarm,literally.Youcanbuythefarmwithyourpaycheck.

Dan: Absolutely,great.It’satransitionprocess.

Dave: Mysisterdidthat.Sheworksforabigcompany.Shemovedoutofabigcity.ShelivesinthemiddleofnowhereinWashingtonStatewithafarm,andsheep,andeveryotherkindofanimalyoucanthink.She’shappyasaclan.It’sthatkindofsituationwhereyoucanapplymoneytotheproblembutmostpeoplelisteningtothis,evenifthey’refantasizingaboutgettingoutofacityunlessthey’vereachedsomeeconomiclevelofsuccesstobeabletosay,“Allright.I’mgoingtochangemycareer.

I’mgoingtochangemyincomelevel.I’mgoingtogoanddosomeIknownothingaboutwhichisrunafarm.They’regoingtohavetocallyouandlearnhowtodoafarmorsomeonelikeyou.That’sthe2to5%ofpeoplewholistentothis.

Dan: Right.That’sprobablytheminorityeventhough2generationsago,85%ofpeopleliveinthe


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land.Idon’tseethereasonwhyitcan’thappenagain.

Dave: ItiswhereIlive.Imean,theycallitthesunbelt.There’sbananasthatgrowliterallyinCanada.There’sbananasthatgrow2milesfrommyhouse.It’snotthatwarmherebutit’sprettydarnwarm.It’sprettymuchlikeCaliforniaduringsummerandwinterdoesn’tfreezemuch.I’mseeingahugeinfluxofverywealthypeoplefromaroundtheplanet.

EvenalotofChinesearemultimillionaires.Wait,there’saplacewherethey’recleanair,cleanwater,cleanfoodandIcangetenoughpropertytohaveafarm.Imeanthey’rebuying5to20acreplotsandit’shappeningalloverthecountryandallovertheworld.Ithinkit’soneofthebestinvestmentsyoucanmakebutforallthepeoplelisteningwhoaren’tgoingtodothatwhichisthemajority,whataretheygoingtodothisyear?

Basedonyourknowledge,ifyou’resittingathomerightnow,whatwouldyoutellthemtodo?You’vegottohavehighqualityfoodorbadstuffisgoingtohappen.Wedon’thaveourlaserspectrometersthataregoingtotelluswhatfoodushighquality.Givemethefirstcoupleofstepsthatyoushoulddojusttotakeadvantageofthisknowledge?

Dan: Imean,I’mnotanutritionistbutIthinkinmostcases,peopleareprobablyingestingthingsthatareprocessedandpreservedladen.Ithinksimplewholefoodsisagoodfoundationalplace.Ithinkifyouactuallybuywholegrains,brownriceina50poundbagorwe’retalkingaboutgarbanzobeansforsomereason.

Dave: Idon’tlikethemthisway.

Dan: Alotofthosethings,ifyoustartwiththerawingredients,unprocessed,youcandramaticallyimprovethequalityofyournutritiveinputs.It’sawholelifething.Idon'tknowthatthere’sanysimpleoneanswer.Ifyougotabackyard,andyoucanplayaroundonyour2,000squarefeet,youcangrowahelllotoffood.Imean,ifthisisafantasythatyouhave,startpracticingnow.

ItdependsentirelyintheindividualandtheirageandtheirhealthandtheirotherlogisticsbutIdon’tseeanyreasonwhywedon’tbegintomovemore.Ithinkthere’salotofhypeabouttechnologyandcomputersandconnectednessandcyberstuff.Ithinkrealityactuallyisn’tthatbad.Themorewecanunplugfromourscreensandengagedintherealworld,itactuallyfulfillsyoudeeplyinmultiplelevels.Ithinkapositivestateofmindisprofoundlyvaluable.Youcanhaveagreatdietandstillbebetterandsourandyou’regettingsick.

Dave: It’strue.

Dan: It’snotjustaboutthefood,it’saboutyourwholestateofbeingandIfindtakingmyshoesoffandplayingindirtandhangingoutwithmykidsactuallyleavesmefeelingbetter.Ithinkit’sawholelifestylething.Ithinkwe’reanimals.Idon’tthinkwheretheseconstructsofmechanizedsociety,Ithinkwebelonginnature.Webelongoutsideandcommunityandrelationships.Idon'tknow.I’mnotgettinganykindofananswer.

Dave: Thosearereasonableanswers.Iactuallywanttogomoreintothecyberthingwithyou.IthinkI


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canpredictyouranswerbutI’mnotsure.Iseeaquaponicshappening.Iseepeopletalkingaboutverticalgardensincities.What’syourtakeon…We’reallgrowingpotinshippingcontainersnow,commerciallyformedicaluseandall.Shouldwebegrowing,sotheyhaveLEDlightsandchemicalinputs.CanIgrownutrientdensevegetablesinaclosedsysteminordertofeedpeopleincities?

Dan: Ilikesoil.Ilikeplants.Howmuchmoneydoesitcosttobuildtheinfrastructure?Imean,Iseetheseaquaphonicsystemsandthesefarminaboxthing,I’mlikesomebodyisdoingthatandthey’repitchingitandthey’resellingitbecausethey’remakingmoneyoffofit.Icandothatkindofproductiontenfoldfor15%oftheinvestment.

I’mdrawingalotofsaladgreensrightnowonmyland.I’msellingprobably80or100poundsofMexicanmix,andarugula,andspinachaweekhereinNovemberinMassachusettswithnopower,noheat,ametalhoopwithalayerofplasticoverit.It’scalledahoophouse.I’vegotafewdifferenthoophouses.Iwouldsaylandiswealth.Landiswhereyoushouldputinyourmoney,notallthesefancysystems.

Ithinkit’snotawiseuseofmoney,personallybutifyouwantusinthecityandyouwanttodotheverticalthing,I’mnotgoingtosaydon’t.Idon’tthinkit’sthemostpragmaticsolution.Idon’treallythinkit’ssolvingtheproblems,theglobalproblems.I’mnotsomuchconcernedaboutAmericanspersereally,becauseIthinkwe’reactuallyrelativelycomfortable.I’mmuchmoreconcernedaboutpeopleinothercountries.

It’snotcalledthedevelopingworld.Itusedtobecalledthethirdworld.Peoplearestarvingtodeathandthey’reliterallylivingthelandbecausethelandwillnolongergrowanything.Imean,ifyou’retalkingabouthundredsofmillionsofpeopleandqualityoflifeforpeople,it’swealthy,western,NorthAmericanpeople.It’snotmyconcern.It’sreallyAsiaandAfricaandplaceslikethat,SouthAmerica,CentralAmerica,placeswherepeoplearereallystrugglingwherethelandiswearingout.

It’swornoutwherethegreenrevolution,whereagriculturehashistoricallyjustwornouttheland.Wecandosomuchforsolittlemoneytotransformthisplanet,tosolveoursystemicissuesofpovertyandglobalwarming.Imeanrealseriousissueswithanunderstandingofbiologicalsystems.Whatislife?Howdoesitwork?Whatdoesitneed?That’sreallymorewherethepitchandthestrategyoftheorganizationis,ishowdoweworktorevitalizeland?

Howdoweworktobuildsoilandhavealltheseothercorollarybenefits.Foodqualityiswherewe’vebeenfocusingovertlybecausea;lotofpeoplethesedays,buyfood.Ityouwanttoreachtothelargeraudience,withthetalkaboutfoodquality.

Dave: Endoftheday,humanperformanceandhumanconsciousnessisdirectlycorrelatedwithsoilqualityandwe’vebeenjustmessingthesoilupforalongtime.IfundamentallybelievethatandalotofthethingsthatIdoinmybusinessandjustinmypersonallifearearoundmakingsurethatatleastformyfamilyandforthepeoplethatIcaninfluencewestartworkingandfixingtheproblem.We’reinalignmentthere.


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There’saquestionDanthatI’vemanagedtoaskalmosteveryguestonBulletproofRadiobecausewe’reupattheendoftheinterview.It’sgivenallthestuffyouknow,notjustaboutthisbutyourlife’sexperience,ifsomeonecametoyoutomorrowandsaidIwanttobebetteratbeinghuman,thisgoesrighttothisconsciousnessthingthatyou’vealludedtoseveraltimes.IwanttobetterateverythingIdo.Whatarethe3mostimportantthingsIshouldknow?

Dan: Youwantaquickanswertothequestion?

Dave: Atleast3buckets.Theydon’thavetobethatshort.

Dan: Whatisahuman?IspentalittleoverayearinmylifeinIndiaandalotofthatwasupintheHimalayasbecauseIhadcameacrossthewisdomoftheeastwhichisIthinkadeepsciencemetaphysicstalksaboutotherfrequencyrangesnotjusttheplains.

Dave: WhichpartoftheHimalayas?

Dan: ItusedtobecalledUttarPradesh.Nowit’sRajastan.BasicallytheGangesfromtheGangeticPlainup.ThefoothillsoftheHimalayasandupintotheHimalayas.

Dave: ThereasonIaskisI’vebeentotheheadwatersoftheGanges,MountKailash.IspentsometimeinthehalllandsandTibetandintheHimalayasaswell.Justwonderingifwewereinthesamespotsbutweweren’t.Anyway,goahead.Ididn’tmeantointerruptyouranswer.

Dan: TheheadwatersoftheGangesisGangotri.Ifyou’vebeentoGangotri,I’vebeentoGangotriandGanani

Dave: Awesome.

Dan: Ithinkhereinthewest,wedon’tunderstandthescienceofconsciousness.Ithinkthatrealityoftheuniverse,IthinkthatGodandnatureandscienceandlovearesynonyms.Ithinkthatthere’s2basicforces.There’sloveandthere’sfear.There’slightandthere’sdark.There’sattractionandimpulsion,loveandfear.Gettingintunedwiththatandhumbledaboutthatandworkingtolookwithinandtakeyourself.

Imean,Ithinkwe’respiritincarnate.IfeellikeIknowthat.Operatingfromthatfoundationalpreceptoflovebeingallthereis,IthinkJesuswasontosomething.IthinkJesussaidthebodyisatemplethatisnotaboutgoingtoachurchoranAshramoratempleorwhateveryournameofyourchurchis,it’saboutbeingpresentinthisphysicalformandexperiencingrealitydeeplyonmultiplelevelsthroughit.

ThisiswhatItalkedaboutwithconsciousnessisIthinkwearehard-wiringthecapacitytoexperiencemultipleoctaves,multiplefrequencyranges.Wetalkedaboutthechakrasandthemeridiansandallthesekindofstuffwhichisthescienceoftheeast.Notjusttheliverandthegallbladder,buttheheartchakraandallthatkindofstuff.

Istarteduniversityasamusicmajor.Iendedupinthehistorydegreebutmyunderstandingis


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fromphysics,20thcenturyphysics,quantummechanicsisthatmostofrealityiseitheradarkmatterordarkenergy.Mostofrealitycan’tbefoundinthephysicalplane.Ifyouwanttoberealaboutlifeandwherewe’reatandeverythingwe’reinteractingwith,wehavetotakeintoconsiderationthatmostofrealityisnotonthephysicalplane.

Ithinkallofourtools,allofourmicroscopestelescopesareallthetoolswehavearetunedinthephysicalplaneandthat’swhywecan’tfindmostofwhatwecalldarkmatteranddarkenergybecauseit’sinadifferentfrequencyrange.It’sliketheoctavesandthepianokeyboard.There’shighCandhigh,highCandhigh,high,highC.

Thoseoctaves,wecan’texperiencewithourtoolsinourwesternsciencebutwedohaveatoolforexperiencingthemandthatisthebody.Onlywhenourbodyisvibratingharmoniously,onlywhenit’scoherent,canweexperiencethoseaspectsofourselves.I’mnotsureifI’mansweringyourquestionatall.

Dave: Ithinkyoudid.Iappreciateit.

Dan: Ithinkbeing,Idon'tknow.Imean,Idon’tremembertheexactquestion.Oneof3thingsyoudo.

Dave: The3thingsyoushouldknowifyouwanttoperformbetter.Whatyou’retalkingaboutistheconsciousnessorspiritualsideofperformingbetter.Yougottoknowwhatyouareandthingslikethat.

Dan: Onlywhenyou’regroundedinyourdeeperselvescanyoubeabetterperson.

Dave: Thereyougo.

Dan: Yourbodyisyourtoolforexperiencingreality.Whenyourhormonalsystemisnotworkingbecauseyoudon’thavetheelementsnecessarytobuildthehormonesinyourbodyandyourfood,thenyourbiochemicallyimbalancedandyoucan’toperateatahigherlevel.Eatinggoodfoodthathasafullspectrumofnutritioninitisfoundationalforsystemfunctionbutifyoudon’texpandyourperspectivebeyondthephysicalplane,Ithinkyou’renevergoingtobefulfilled.

Thingslikelove.Youdon’tknowwhatloveisuntilyouexperienceitandbelike,oh,that’swhattheymeantbylove.It’sanexperience.It’savisceralexperience.That’swhatthebodyisforistohelpusexperienceandknowreality.Ithinkthemoreintunedthebodyis,thelesswe’reinpharmaceuticals,lesswe’redulleddown,themoresensitivitywehave,themorewecanbeattunedtothesethings.

Dave: Awesome.

Dan: I’mnotbeingveryhelpfulrightnowbutthosearethefewpoints.

Dave: Ithinkpeoplearereallygettingsomevalueoutofthat.Thankyouforsharingthat.It’sactuallynottheeasiestquestiontoanswerjustonthespot.


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Dan: Ifeellikeyou’redone.TimeisupsoI’mnotproperlydigressed.I’vegotaprettygoodstickbutit

takesatleast10minutestolayitallout.

Dave: Weareattheendoftheshow.That’sareallygoodanswerandIappreciateyousharingitwithme.Wherecanpeoplefindoutmoreaboutyourwork,theBionutrientFoodAssociation,maybeyourtechnologygettinginvolvedandthatkindofstuff?What’stheURLpeopleshouldgotodownloadmoreaboutit?

Dan: It’sbionutrient.org.It’sasingularbionutrient,justthosetermsputtogether.

Dave: Dotorg.

Dan: Dotorg.We’reanonprofiteducationalorganization.We’renotaforprofit.Whatwedoprimarilyiscoursesforgrowers.Whatislife?Whatisabiologicalsystem?Howdoeslifework?Howdoyouworkwithit?Howdoyoutakeyourland,yoursoilandidentifywhatitneedsandaddressitsystemically.It’sreallyprettyrudimentary.It’sprettysimple.Justnotaheavycausedoreffort.It’smoreaboutbeingabletoviewthelandasalivingorganismandprovidingforit,whatitneedstoflourish.

Youcanreallydoverylittleaslongasyoudotherightthingsandstandbackandlifeflourishes.That’swhat’ssoexcitingtomeissimilarofthelandontheplanetisweak,andworn,andwithered.Itneedssolittle.Alittlebitofcopperthereandsomecoppercropsoverhere,someboronoverthere.Afewsmallthingsatnominalcostandyoucanreallykickthingsintomuchhighergear.

Dave: Awesome.Thanksforcontinuingyourgoodwork.Whatyou’redoingreally,reallymattersandit’soneofthosethingswheretheinputhereandtheresultisthere.Humansasaspeciesarenotoriouslybadatcorrelatingeventsthathappensoverlongperiodsoftime.You’veclearlydialeditin.Itisaboutthesoil.Endoftheday,justeverythingwedoisaboutthesoilandyou’reworkingtofixitandgiveustoolssowecanmakebetterchoices.Iappreciatethatkindofwork.Iappreciatethatkindofdedicationsothankyou,Dan.

Dan: Thankyouverymuchforhavingmeonandyourworkwithspreadingtheword.

Dave: Hopefullyaboutamillionpeopledownloadsthisoverthenextmonthorso,sothat’smeaningfulbecausegetting.

Dan: That’saprettybignumber.

Dave: Gettingtheknowledgeoutreallymatters.I’mgratefulthatyou’redoingtheincredibleworkthatwejusttriedtosummarizeinjustanhour.Forpeopleinterested,gotobionutrient.organdcheckitout.Haveanawesomeday,Dan.

Dan: Thankyou.


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Doyourverybest.That’ssomethingthatIdoeveryday.Idon’tonlyeatvegetablesIgrow,IeatvegetablesthatIknowgrowandsometimesIevenbuythemfromthestorebuttheideaistodoeverythingalittlebitbetter.Itdoesn’thavetobeperfect.takethatknowledge,goout,dosomethingcoolwithit.GotoiTunesandsayIlikedthisorsharethisonFacebook.

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