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TRANSCRIPTION OF A RECORDING MADE AT 97 HELDERFONTEIN ESTATE, 1 BROADACRES DRIVE, ON 24 AUGUST 2018

I,JaredWatson,doherebycertifythatIwasaparticipantintherecorded

conversation,andthatIpersonallymadetheaudiorecording.

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thatasfarasitisaudible,thebelowtranscriptionistrueandcorrect.

Thetranscriptionisafullandcompletetranscriptionoftheentireoriginal

recordingoftheconversationof23minutesand13seconds.

Therecordingstartedat23:31PMandstoppedat23:54PMon24August2018.

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PARTICIPANTS IN CONVERSATION:

1. MAN 1 - ANGELO AGRIZZI

2. MAN 2 - JARED WATSON

3. MAN 3 - ROTH WATSON

4. LADY - LINDSAY WASON

____________________ JARED WATSON

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TRANSCRIPTION OF RECORDING:

Recordingstartsat23:31PMon24August2018

Man1: Becausewhatdopeopledo,whatdotheytalk?I,youknowwhat,Ilookitback,andIlookandIlaughsometimesandIpissmyselflaughing…(Inaubible)

Radio: ThereisapostingonYoutubenow

Man2: Idon’tthinkI’veeverseenthisguy.

Man1: Hey?

Man2: Idon’tthinkI’veeverseenthisguybefore

Lady: Who’sthis?

Man1: Listen!He’sbrilliant.

Man2: ThisManny.

Lady; Oh,I’veseenit.

Man1: Watch.Listentothis.It’ssotrue.

Radio: Andinthatah,postingonYoutube,they’vetakensomeclipsofamessageIpreachedin2005aftertheKatrinaevent.Pointingatthebarbarism,theanimalbehaviourofblackmeninatimeofcrises,byraping,byrobbing,byfighting,bylooting.Alsoafterthe2009earthquakein,inHaiti,theHaitianmen,theblackmen,wererobbingandlootingandraping.Ah,intheinthewakeofthattragiceventwhatblackmenareinescapable,theycannotdoanythingelsebutbecomebarbaric.Thatwhenthosepeoplewentintothat(Inaudible);thoseblackwomenandchildrenandblackmen,thereshouldhavebeenorganisation.Theblackmen…

Man2: (inaudible)

Man1: Whathappening?

Man2: Itsaidlowpower.

Man1: (Inaudible),ohno.I’llsendit,noitshouldplay.

Man2: (Inaudible)

Man3: Ja,(inaudible)it’smad.

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Lady: Ja,jas.

Man1: NoI’llsendittoyou,it’strue.Butit’strue,hesays,howcantheydoit.InJapanwhentheyhadthebloodyearthquakesandtsunamis,theyhelpeachother.Heretheysteal,theyloot,theyrape,theydestroy.Youknow,IhaveafriendcalledRomano Romanoisaracist.Theoneday..

Man2:

Man1:

Man2: Doeshehave3kids?

Man1: Yeah,no…

Man2: 2boysandagirl?

Man1: Noyouaretalkingabouthisbrother,Marco.

Man2: DoyouknowBruno

Man1: Yes.

Man2: SoIknowBruno,Iworkedwithhim.

Man1: Didyou?

Man2: Andhisbrother’sgaynow,huh?

Man1: No!

Man2: Ja,(inaudible)ah,Giulio.

Man1: Giulio?Noman!

Man2: Ja,he’sgotarestaurantinCapeTown.

Man1: No,yes!

Man2: Ja.That’swhatIwastold.

Man1: No!

Man2: Well,Idon’tknowthat’swhatIwastold.

Man1: I’mgoingtoragRomano.

Man2: Nodon’t,wellmaybedon’tsayit,butIwastoldthat.

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Man1: Romanoisis,amanthatcomestotheofficeoneday,I’mgoingtointroducehimtoyourdad.Ialwaysusedtoliketobringguysthatwilladdflavourtosomeone’slife.AndRomanocomesthere,heisanaccountant,andheownsMicroMotorEngineering.Youknowhe’sgay?WellI’mgoingtotellhim,I’veneverheardofanItaliangay.

Man2: That’swhatIwastold.Lookhere,andheseems,Idon’tknowifyouhaveseenhisson?Um…

Man1: Yes.

Man2: What’shisname?Ah…

Man1: He’sgotthatshopin…

Man2: .Imeanheseemsverygay.

Man1: Andit’satopclass,topclassshopthatIhear.

Man2: Ja,ja,ja.

Man1: Makingsandwiches.

Man2: Everyonelovesithey.Its,that’sliketheplacetoeatinCapeTownatthemoment.

Man1: Really?

Man2: Ja,everyone’sobsess…

Lady: What’sitcalled?

Man2: Giulio’s.

Man1: Andhe’sgotabloody…

Man2: Giulio’s,it’sonBreestreet.

Man1: SoRomano,Romanocomestotheofficethere.HesaysyouknowwhatGavin,I’vegotadaughter.He’sonlygotLyla.Lylaisabout7,8now.ButLyla,she’llcomehereandshe’llplayforhours.AndthenhimandMeganwillgoandshopping.Anyway.SoRomancomeshere.IfIboreyoutellme,thenyoucango.BecauseI’mgoingto(inaudible)fuckoffbynownowanyway.Youknow.Butthefactofthematteris,Romanoisnotaracist,he’sarealist.Yourfather’stryingtotellhimabout,blackempowerment.HesaysthedayIletabloodykaffirrun,andthereareJoeandthemaround.He

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saysmantheycangowankinthestreetsforallIcare,theywillnotgetmetobuy(inaudible).

Man2: ButIknowhissonishecticaswell.

Man1: No,no.

Man2: Ohnothisson,his…(Inaudible).

Man1: Inthefactory,hisfather,(inaudible)mydadknewhisdad,andI(inaudible).Takesoutthegunandshootsthem.Justovertheirheads.

Lady: No,man?

Man1: Yes!Overtheirheads,justover(inaudible).Wa!Hewas,hewassleeping.Hisfatherusedtogomad.Hisfathereventuallyshothimself.

Man2: Bruno’sgrandfather?

Man1: Yes.

Man3: Ohmyword,that’scrazy.

Man1: Andleftthebusinesstothemother.

Man2: Andthey,buttheydonicely,huh?

Man1: Notanymore,theybattling.ThemotherisnowinClarens.Themotherisevenworseracistthanthefatherwas.

Man2: Really?

Man1: Soanyway,we,wesitting,wesittinghereandOmegatooksomejuicefromtheonesideofthetable,and(inaudible)heworksforme,hebringsthejuicethere.Imean,Romanosaystohim,whatareyoubringingherefor?Everythingyoutouchis,isjustbuggeredupanyway.Thatthing’sprobablysourbynow.Justthrowitawayortakeithome.Justlikethat.

Man3: Sho!

Man2: Hectic.

Man1: Nohe’smad.

Man2: Ja

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Man3: Sho!

Man3: Butit’sinterestingthatthekidisgay.AnItaliangayman.

Lady: Firsttimeforeverything.

Man1: Noman!

Man2: WelltheRomans.

Man1: NotheGreeks.You’rethinkingabouttheGreeks.

Man2: ButAngelo,how,sohowdoyou,like,Imeanstrategize,howdoyouthink,howdoyouthink,theeggscanbeunscrambledfromamediaperspective,fromtheclients,thebanks…

Lady: (Inaudible)

Man1: Wellwe,we’regoingto,we’regoingtoliealittlebit,becausewehaveto.Um…Solastnight…

Man2: Ah,Bryan’sthingdoesn’tsoundlikeitholds.BriansaidOKthatyoumustsay…

Man1: No,it’snotgoingtohelp.

Man2: Bryansaidthatyoumustsaythatyouhavebeenlegallyadvisedtosaynothing.Thatsoundslikeyouhavebeenthreatenedorpaidoff.

Man1: No,no,no,no,no.(Inaudible)

Man2: Imean,Imean,doesthatsoundlike.Askingyouropinion,likeforme,thatsoundslikeyouhavebeenthreatenedorpaidoff?

Man1: I’llbehonest.I’llbehonestwithyou,I’vethoughtthroughitalittlebit.Notmuch.I’veboughttime.That’swhatI’vedone.AndthebigissueisnotAdriaanoranyone;thebigbigissueisanotherissue,whichiswiththeHawksthatweneedtodealwith,urgently.Whichisnotinformationtothemoranything,butit’sbecauseyourdadbelievesthecaseisclosed.It’sneverbeenclosed.

Man2: ButAngelo…

Man1: It’salwaysbeenopen.

Man2: Forme,formeitsoundslike.Iknowwhatyousaying,theHawks,buttheHawks…

Man1: No,theHawksopenedthecaseinOctober2017again.

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Man2: ButI’msayingevenoutsidetheHawks,ifthebanksdecidedtoclosetheaccounts,thenthatcouldhappentomorrow.YouknowwhatImean,liketheHawksstilltakestime,it’sacase,right?Banks,likewhatI’msayingisliketheBankshavealreadydecreasedthefacilityby25%.Soit’slike…

Man1: (Inaudible)Ican’tunderstandwhy.

Lady: Theytookout,nomydadwastheretoday.25bar.

Man2: 25barsweretakenoffthefacility.

Man1: (Inaudible)

Lady: Withimmediateaffect.

Man1: (Inaudible)

Man2: Justrisk.Apparentlyit’sfromarisk,ariskanalysisperspective.Orwhateveritis.

Lady: Theywillgiveusthefinalbreakdownnextweek.

Man2: Jaso,soclientsare(inaudible)

Lady: Ja,theclient.Nomy,mydadwasjustsaying,liketheclientsare,theyaretheonesthatarenervous.Theytheonesthatarefreakingout.

Man2: Sowhenhecametous.YoucanaskRoth,hewasthere.Whenhecametomyplaceyesterday,whateveritwas.LookImustbehonesthey,I’veneverseenthat,thatlike,justdefeated.Hejust,hewantedtowalkout.Weweretalkingtohim,he’sjustlike,I’moutofhere.Um…becausehe’slike…he’seven,even…eventhedarkiesinthebusinesssaidtohim,um…thisisyourmess…

Man1: Noit’snot.It’snothismess.(Inaudible)

Man2: Well,he,likeI’msaying,whattheysaidtohimwas,thisisyourmess…

Man1: No,no,thosekaffirs!Letmetellyousomething.

Lady: Angelo…(Inaudible)

Man1: NoI’mtellingyou,theyarekaffirs!Allright?Becausetheyarescrewingyourfatherwithinformationthatheshouldn’tbelisteningto.

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Lady: ImustsayAngelo…

Man2: But…

Lady: Idon’tknowwhenlastyousawmydad?

Man1: Ihaven’tseenhim.

Man2: Ja,he’sum…

Lady: You’llbeshocked.

Man2: Ja,heum…

Lady: Theyareputtingona,he’sunderalotofpressure.

Man2: Theysaidtohim…

Man1: Butwho’sputtingpressureonhim?

Man2: …asacollective…

Lady: (Inaudible)alotofpressure.

Man1: Butwhy?

Man2: …asacollectivetheycametohimandsaidthisisyourmess…

Man1: Butwhatcanthey,whatcollective?Whatf…

Man2: …andwe’llcomeforallofyou.

Man1: CanIaskyousomething?

Man2: Ja

Man1: Imustn’tswearbut,andIdidn’teven(Inaudible).

Man2: Igetit,Igetit.

Man1: ThisisthefirstnightI’vesworninyears.

Man2: No,Igetit.

Man1: Ididn’tswearlastnight.

Man2: No.Well…hedid.

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Man1: Youknow,Iwanttoaskyou(Inaudible).Whatrighthavetheygottothebusiness?

Man2: Ja,but…

Man1: Iknow,Iworkedinthatbusiness,Iworkedtherefrom3inthemorningstill11o’clockatnight.Itook,Iworkedfor3years,withoutaskingforacent.Iworkedtherefor3years,withouttakingoffforevenaSunday.BecauseIworkedwithyourfather,andIdrovearoundwithhim,andIspenthoursontheroad,andIspenthoursworking,Ispenthoursbehindpots.Icleanedkitchensandtoilets.Thosekaffirshavedonenothingforyourfather.Andwhatisholdinghis,whatis,whatisitthattheyareholdingoverhishead?Whatisit?

Man3: (Inaudible)..it’samess.

Man1: AndI’lltellyou,Ihave,Ihavemyownlittleperspectiveofthis.IwillneverevergobacktoBosasa,orAGO,whateveryoucallit.Iwillnevergoback.It’snot,it’snotmyplace.

Lady: Youpassedthatnow.

Man1: It’snotmyplace.It’syourplace.It’syourplace.Guyslikeyou.

Man3: CanyoupleasehelpustrysortthisoutAngelo?

Man1: Iwill.

Man3: Pleaseman.

Man1: Iwillhelpyousortitout,Ihaven’tgotanissue,Ihavenoproblem.I’vegotnoanimositytowardsyou,towardsyoursister,towardsyourfather.Ilovedyourfatherlikemyownfather.Ispenthourswithhim.I,myobjectiveeverymorningwastomakehimhappy,andtomakehimsmile,andtotellajoke.

Lady: Andyoudid.

Man1: Thatwouldmakemehappy.Whatwouldmakemeevenhappiernow,isifyouguystakethereigns.Youguystakethewhip.Youdon’tneedaPapathere.WhydoyouneedaPapa?Youtellme.

Man2: Butit’ssensitiveatthemomentAngelo.

Man1: Idon’t,Idon’tcare!

Man2: No,I’mjustsayingrightnow…

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Man1: WhatdoyouneedaPapafor?

Man2: ..,theseguys...

Man1: Youneedoneperson.

Man2: …theseguyscametohim…

Man1: YouneedCarolMkele.That’swhatyouneed.Youdon’tneedaPapa.YoudonotneedaJoe.Whatdoyouneedhimfor?I’mtellingyounow.YoudonotneedaSasinya.Sasinyahasbeenfleecing.

Man2: Andtalkingaboutgate-keepinghey,Iwasthere,Iheard,Imean,remember…

Man1: Don’tyourealisewhyPapadidn’tlikeme.

Man2: ButAngelo…

Man1: BecauseofDCS.BecauseIcould,hecouldn’tfixupthepress.HowdidIformmyalliancewithDerick,withAdriaan,withallthesepeople?Why?Ididthat4yearsago,notnow!Fouryearsago!Adriaanwasherewithhiskids!Hewouldplay,thekidswouldplayhere,hewouldplayhere,there.BecauseIdidthat,Ibroughttwoveryinfluentialpeopletotheofficepark.OnewasJoanneJosephs,theotherwas,theonewasYaviMadura.YaviMaduraistheonewhopushedtheGreekthatsworeandcalledpeoplethe…

Man2: Ja,thenewone.

Man1: …saidlookthere’snokaffirshere,thatwhy(inaudible).ShepushedhistweetsupwithinIthink40minutestorecord.Iknow,shephonedme,shetoldme.

Lady: Ja,thatwastheblackboxthing.Blackbox.

Man1: Itwasthirtyfivethousandrand.Whatthehell?

Lady: Irememberthat.

Man1: Guys,lets,ifyoulookatit,andyousaytoyourself,allrightfine,letshelpcleanup.I’llhelpcleanyou,I’llhelpcleanup,that’seasy.(Inaudible)Ihope.We’llgetthere,butwe’llgetthereslowly,butwe’llgetthere,withthisshitwe’llgetthere,buthellIwassoupset,andthenafterwardsIrealised,maybe,Ijustpushedthisthingtoofar.But…AndIneverhackedyourcomputersbytheway.Idon’tknowhowtohack.I’vebeenhacked,badly!

Lady: Ja,wegothacked.

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Man1: Idon’thaveemailanymore.I’vegotoneemailthatLeoncameandsetupforme,andIusethat.Ineverhacked,Ihavenointerestinhackingyourcomputers.Idon’tevenknowhowtohack.Idon’tknowwhatahackis.

Man2: Youguyshadmesoparanoid,IthoughtIwasbeinghackedthisevening.

Man1: No.

Man2: NoI’mkidding.I’msayingwhenmycomputerwasn’tworking.

Man1: Nomy,ohwearedrivingmycartheotherdayandthesoundgoesoff,boom.Nocarkit.Now…

Lady: It’sasadthingthough.SorryAngelo.Everyoneissoparanoid.Likeallofusareso(inaudbible)paranoid.It’sterrible.

Man2: Because,gatekeepersman.Youknow,that’swhatI’msaying…

Lady: That’swhyI’msaying,Idon’tknowwhyitcan’tjustbelike…

Man2: Ispecificallyheard…

Lady: …pickupaphonetoyouor,youknow,it’sawful.

Man2: Ispecificallyheardtheguyssaying,thatGavinyouarenotallowedtomakethisdecision,umtheboardwillmakethis.Iheardthatmyself.

Man1: What!

Man2: Icantremember,rememberitslike,itslike,because,because,because…

Man1: Whatareyoutellingme!

Man2: …um,itwas,

Man1: Guys,who…

Man2: Idon’tknowwhatiswasabout,butitwas…

Man1: OkIwanttoaskyouasimplequestion,haveyougottime?Iwantasimplequestion,letsputthedotstogether,letsjointhedots.Allright,I’mthinking,sorryittakeswhile,butsometimesbut…IfsomebodysaystoGavin,we’lltakeittotheboardfordecision,

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whatfleshhavetheygotonthetable?Whatskinhavetheygotonthetable?

Man2: Lookum,Idon’tknow…

Man1: Excuseme!Ifsomebodysaystome,beitblack,white,whoever,whatskinhaveyougotonthetable?Whathaveyou(inaudible)onthetabletobeabletobeinthispositiontotellmethis?Youbuiltupthecompany?Whatdidyoubuildup?Explaintomewhatdidyouaddvalueto?Andit’ssimplequestions.Guysjointhedotshere.

Man2: Angelo…

Man1: Uncoverit.Thinkabout…

Man2: …youcan’teven,youcan’taskthequestion,becauseyouknowtheanswer.

Man1: Becauseyouknowtheanswersalready.Idon’tneedtotellyouthis,youknowit.Youknowexactlywhattodo.Youneedtocalltheboardup.Ihatesayingthis…

Man2: TheproblemisAngelo…

Man1: …butIseetheboardasdysfunctional.

Man2: Ja

Man1: Tellmeit’snotdysfunctional.

Man2: ButtheseguysAngelo…

Man1: Tellmeit’snot.

Man2: Theseguys…

Lady: Youknowwhatmydad.Youknowwhat…

Man1: Whyisyourfatherholdingontothatboard?

Man2: Buthearitfromhismouthwhenyoumeethim,right.He’sinP.E.thisweekend,buthearitfrom,whenyou,whenyousee…

Man1: I’llgetonaplane,I’llflytoP.E.now,ifIcould.

Man2: Butif,goifyouwant.

Man1: Becausewhatis,whathasPapadoneforthecompany?

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Lady: Doyouknow,youknow,Iwanttosaysomething.Youknowwhat,youknowformydad…

Man2: Youshouldgo.

Lady: …youknowhowhardmydadactuallyis,likehecanbehard,andheneveractuallyadmitsanything,andformethebreakingpointforIthink,whenIsawmydadhitlike,whenhewasdefeated,whenhesaidtome,hesaidtome,Lindsayallwecandonowispray.Wegottoprayaboutit.Hesaid,youknowwhat,Ididn’tsacrifice20years,myfamilyfor20years,withmyfamily,tobuildthiscompanyandloseit.Andhe’slike,that’sallIcansay,wegottopray.Andthat’swhenIwaslike,thismanisnow…

Man1: Doyouthinkyourdad,doyouthinkyourdadforaminute,doyouthinkyourdadturnaroundandsay,doyouthinkyour,doyouthinkforminutethatyourfatherisbeingputunderpressurebythedarkies?

Man2: I’lltellyouexactlywhathesaidatmyplace.Hesaid,hesaidtheycametohimandtheysaid,yourmess.They’veevenapproachedanattorneyasacollective.

Man1: No,fuckinghell.

Man2: Ipromiseyou.

Lady: Idon’tknowaboutthat.

Man2: You’llhear…

Man1: Which,whichfuckingattorney?

Man2: He,nohetoldusyesterday.

Lady: Ok,Iwasn’ttherewithyouguys.

Man2: There’s,he’lltellyouum…

Man3: (Inaudible)

Man1: Youknow,I’llgointothatcompany,Iwillpersonallygointothatcompany,withorwithoutpermission,andIwillfuckeachofthosekaffirsoutthere.I’mtellingyounowIwill,Iwill.Butyouknowwhat’shappened?ThatFezofyoursisalittleconnivingbastard.He’salittleshithead.

Man2: Idon’tthinkhehasanyinfluencewiththoseguys,Angelo.

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Man1: No,no,no,no.Fezisalittlemastermind.Hethinksheisamastermind.

Man3: Reallyhey?

Man1: I’mwarningyouaboutFez.IwillpersonallydealwithFez.Personally,Itoldhim,Iwillcomeanddealwithyou.Iwillcomeanddealwithyou.Becausehewassendingmetextmessagesrunningdownthecompany,tryingtogetinformationoutofme.

Man3: Reallyhey?

Man1: Yes,I’llshow(inaudible)I’veactuallygotthemhere.I’veactuallygotthemhere.

Man3: Reallyhey?

Man1: Yes,Fez.

Lady: (Inaudible)

Man1: Becausehe,thinkaboutwhenthingsstartedgoingwronginthecompany.Fez.IhadamajorissuehereonenightwithFezandJason.Icalledthemhere,herebecauseIdidn’twanttodealwiththemattheoffice,IsaidtothemcomehereandIsatthemdown,andFezwassayingwhymustIkeeplisteningtoawhiteman,heearnsmorethanIdo?Anditwasachiponhisshoulder.Papahadanissuewithme,becauseIwasawhiteman,andIdidajob.ButwhatdoesPapaactuallydo?YouknowPapa…

Lady: Thereisabigwhite/blackthinghey.There’salotof(Inaudible)

Man1: Why!

Man2: Apparently,theyaremakingitthatthing.Thisattorney,youwillknowhim,right.

Man1: What’shisname?

Man2: Heworkedat…

Man3: I’msureit’sPetersomebody(inaudible).

Man2: HeworkedatENS,andhewas…

Lady: Ohman,no(Inaudible)

Man1: OhPeter!ButyourdadusesPeter!

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Man2: andhe’sanabsoluteracist.Bryan,Bryanwilltellyou.

Lady: PeterTshive…Man1: Tshivase,somethinglikethat

Man2: Apparentlyhe’s,apparentlyhe’sanabsoluteracist

Man1: OhmyGod.

Man2: Andhewantsto(Inaudible)

Man1: Thatkaffirjustneedsagoodhiding!

Man2: AndapparentlyAngelo,he’smadeitaracialthing,but…

Man1: Butwho,whobroughthimintothecompany?

Man2: Idon’tknow.LetGavintellyou.

Man1: Ihadafightwiththatguy.IknowthePeteryoutalkingabout.

Man2: Idon’tknowhim.

Man1: Idon’teventhinkheisaSouthAfrican.

Man2: Ijustknowthisguy,apparently,apparently,heisanabsoluteracist.Bryanalsosaysheisaracist.Apparentlyheisknownforit.

Man1: I’lltakehimheadon.

Man2: Andapparently,butaskGavin,becauseobviouslyIwontknowthespecifics.

Man1: No,no,butyouseeguys,whatyouneedtodo,I’llhelpyou,isjusttargetthem.Ismailyou’renotcompetent,getout.Youcan.

Man3: (Inaudible)

Man2: Ithinkit’sgoingtotakesometimethoughAngelo,becausetheseguysaremake,theseguysaremakingitaracialfrontingthing.

Man1: Thatexplainswhy,I’mtellingyounow.Idon’tthinkyourfatherwantedtoridofme.IthinkPapawantedtogetridofme,andLindywantedtogetridofthem.Becausethere’salwaysbeenacaucusbetweenPapa,Lindy.There’sacaucusbetweenLouisandPapaaswell,andColeenandPapa,butI’llgettothebottomofit.

Lady: That’sthat,nonotreallyAngelo.You’llbesurprised.

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Man1: I’llgettothebottomofit.I’llfind,ifyouwantmetofindout,I’llfindout.Askthisman,he’sseensomeofthestuffI’vefoundout.

Man2: Hellman,I’mdeletingallmywhatsapps.

Man1: Icanfindoutthings,Icaneven,andIwillconfrontyourdadaboutcertainthings,becauseIdon’tlikewhatheisdoing.It’snotrightwhathehasdonetoyourmom.(Inaudible)

Man2: ButAngelo,speaktohim.Speaktohim.BecauseIdon’twanttospeakoutofturnhere,butspeaktohim.Buthesaid,buthesaid,look.That’swhysaid,that’swhyIsaid,rememberIsaidtoyouyesterday.

Man1: WhointroducedDeJagertothecompany,really?

Lady: That,Idon’tknow.

Man1: WasitJoe?

Man2: That’swhat...

Lady: Wasit?

Man1: Joe?

Lady: Ihavenoidea.

Man2: That’swhat,sothat’stheconnection

Lady: Ionlygotintroducedtohim(Inaudible)…

Man2: IjusttoldyoutheconnectionGavintoldme.

Lady: …providingservices.

Man3: Ithinkit,IthinkitwasJoe,via(Inaudible)

Man2: ACSA,isitviaACSAandRTT,and…

Man1: No,no,nothatiswhattheyaretellingyou.RTTisthecouriercompany,andtheysayingthathecameviaACSA,viaJoe,viaFreddieFourie,becauseyouguyshadtobuygunsfromFreddieFourie.

Man2: No,no,thatwasanotherthing,but,butFreddiehadworked,Freddiehadworked…

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Man1: Thatwas,thatwasanotherissue,wasguns…

Man2: Freddyhadworkedwith…Man1: …andIaskedthequestion(Inaudible)fivehundredglocks,you

hadfivehundredglocksinthesafe…

Man3: Jano,eighthundredpumpactionsorsomethingman.Eighthundredshotgunsorsomethinginthesafe.

Man1: 32CZ’s,14LM1’s.

Lady: YouseeIdon’tevenknowthisstuff.(Inaudible)

Man2: Butyouknowwhois,youknowwhoisthebest,formeyoushouldn’tneedtoaskusthis.Youshouldbehearingitfromthehorsesmouth.Anditshouldn’tbegatekeepers.

Man1: Buthow,howdoyoufixit?

Man2: NoI’maskingyouthat.

Man1: Papausedtogetupset,becauseIusedtogooutanddomyownthing.IneverwaitedforhimbecauseIhaven’tgottime.Trevor,please,TrevorabombcangooffnexttoTrevorandhewouldn’tevennudge.Really,Trevorislike,TrevorislikeRomeo.

Man3: (Inaudible)

Man2: Ihaven’tmethim,butI’veheard.

Lady: Shame,Ifeelsorryformydadhey.

Man3: (Inaudible)I’vetravelledwiththemabit,totryandgettheseguystocometomeetings,toansweryourphone(Inaudible)

Man1: YouknowwhatItoldyourfather…

Man2: Angelothesethingshavebeensaidtomeheyfrom(Inaudible)

Lady: ButAngelo,Angelo,mydadhasworkedhimselftodeath,youhaven’tseenhim,he’sfinished.

Man3: Noit’sbloodyexhausting,he’sfinished.

Man2: That’swhyhesaidtome,hesaid,hesaidhisguyshavesaidtohim,youknowwhat,ifthis,thisisyourmess,andandwe’llputyou

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threeinprison.NowI’mnotsayingthat’stodo,butthatkindofthreatisnotanicethingforhimtohear.

Man1: Tellthemtofuckoff.

Man2: That’snotanicethingforhimtohearfrom…

Man1: I’lltelleachoneofthosekaffirswheretogetoff.

Man2: Thoseguysareallwellremunerated.

Man1: JoeGumede,IwillIwilltakeJoeGumedeon,headon.Headon!Himself!YouseePapaisaproblemthere,andSasinyaisaproblemthere.AndSasinyaneedstogotojailwithTalenteMyeni.

Man2: Anditscareshimbecausehesays,it’sbecomelikearacialthingnow.

Man1: Idon’tcare,butwhydidheallowit?Why?

Man2: Youright,youright,buttheproblemis,we’reinthesituationwe’rein.Youknow?

Man1: Youknowwhathappened?IcantellyounowPapawantedmeoutthere.Papaturnedaround,youknowmysonItoldhimthisstory,Idon’twanttogotellitagain.Youknowmyson,(Inaudible)hadthegreatest,mykidshavethegreatestrespectforyourdad.Theyweresmall,theyusedtohughim,aroundthelegs,here,uptohere.Theyusedtohughim,notformoney.Theynevertookacentfromyourdad.Thattheday,youknowGiancarlolastnight,hewasupset,andhewas,whenheisupsetthatkid,Imustsayhe’sgotabitofbrains.Imean,hemusthaveabitbrains,shit,atleasthalfofmybrains.Butanyway,youknowhesaidtome,hesaysdadthisiswhatshappeninghereisnotright.Andhesaidtome,youknowdad,theonethingIcan’tunderstandis,Ican’tbelieveuncleGavinsaidIwasadruggy.Youknowtheysaidhewassellingdrugsattheyouthcentre?

Man2: Whosaidthat,Angelo?

Lady: Whosaidthat?

Man3: What?

Man1: Papatoldyourfather.

Lady: Giancarlowassellingdrugsattheyouthcentre.

Man2: Attheyouthcentre?

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Man3: (Inaudible)that’sbloodyridiculoushey.

Man1: Anditwasinfluencingtheyouthcentre.Iwastoldthatcategorically.Iwastoldmysonwasdoingdrugs.

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Man2: ButAngeloyouknowlike2yearsagoyouwouldhavegonestraighttoGavinwiththat.Andthesegatekeeperscameinandprevented.

Man1: Nobodywouldhavetoldmethat.Nobodywoulddare,becausefirstlyItookmysonfordrugtests.FirstthingIdo,isIdothat.Iusedtobethemoststrictestparent,Ihaddrugtestsstashedinmycupboard.Ifthekidswereherenow,normallytheywere,whenthekidsweregrowingupthekidswereherenow.Now,theygotothebedroomandtheythinkI’mabloodystupidoldfart.I’mnotlistening.That’swhattheydonowandIcatchthemouteverytime.Iwalkintothebedroom,whatishedoingonyourbed.

Man2: Areyoutalkingaboutherboyfriend?

Man1: I’mtalkingalittlebitloudersoshecanhear.

Man2: Ohmyword.

Man1: ThenIthinkIwasbloody18yearsold.ButAnywaywhatI’msayingtoyouis,whatIcantunderstandishowonearthdoesyourfatherlistentoPapa,Joe(inaudible).

Man3: YouknowwhatIthinkitisalsoAngelo,becauseofallthisturmoil(inaudible)youwerelikehisrockforlike20years.

Man2: Youmakepoorjudgementwhenyouarestressedout,hey.

Man3: Thenwehadallthisturmoil.He’slostthat.

Man1: Butcommonsensetellsusthat,thatwhy,whowastheonethatwasinstrumentaltomovemeout?That’swhatIwanttofindout.Iwanttohuntthatdown.

Man3: It’sverydifficultforrememberforme,I’manout

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