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(Correspondence Xylocaine Viscous for Diagnosis of Chest Pain To the Editor: It was with considerable amusement that I read Dr. Schwartz's article ~'Xylocaine Viscous as an Aid in the Differential Diagnosis of Chest Pain" (Dec. 1976). It seems that the ~Schwartz test" has been around a good deal longer than Dr. Schwartz intimates. In 1974 while taking an emergency department elective during my in- ternship at Georgia Baptist Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia, I was introduced to the delightful concoction dubbed by the emergency nurses as the "GI cocktail." This delicious mixture consisted of 20 cc Maalox, 5 cc Xylocaine Vis- cous, 5 cc elixir of phenobarbital, and 5 drops of tincture of belladonna. After physical examination was performed, a patient complaining of atypical chest pain with or without epigastric discomfort would frequently be given a GI cocktail and the results observed. Not infrequently, with some prodding, the patient would give a history of dys- pepsia and overindulgence of food or alcoholic beverages. I can remember several occasions, after having requested an electrocardiogram, (EKG) and the GI cocktail at the same time, when the EKG technician appeared (usually in 10 to 15 minutes) the patient was ~cured" and asked us why we were doing an EKG. We have no controlled studies but I am sure many examples could be found in old emergency department records. My amusement, too, comes from my assumption that everyone knew of the good old GI cocktail. Perhaps the "Schwartz test" would work as well as our GI cocktail with one quarter the dose of Xylocaine Viscous by adding the elixir of phenobarbital and tincture of belladonna. Albert D. Friday, Jr, MD Channelview, Texas Author's Reply The particular GI cocktail with Xylocaine Viscous as an ingredient is new to me and could not be found in the medical literature over the past ten years. Perhaps, as with other simple innovations and techniques, nobody felt it was necessary to ~spread the word." I contacted Astra Pharmaceutical Products, Inc. and they were also unaware of such use. The dosage of Xylocaine Viscous used (20 cc) was a de- cision based on experience. I think it likely that 5 or 10 cc might work as well, at least in some people. Thus, if there is concern that dosage be minimized, 5 cc should be tried. Dr. Friday's experience certainly suggests effec- tiveness at a lower dosage. The addition of phenobarbital and belladonna is un- necessary since the response to the Xylocaine Viscous i~ so rapid it is unlikely that there is much absorption i~ the other agents. Also, there has been concern about us~ of atropine-like substances in the presence of a myocar? dial infarction. The use of Xylocaine Viscous as a diagnostic aid see~ to be related to its topical and not systemic effects. George R. Schwartz, MI) Mount Holly, New Jersey Statewide EMT Training To the Editor: I read with great interest Dr. McSwain's article "Statewide Approach to Emergency Medical Training" (January 1977). This article, I believe, is of particular~ relevance as EMT-paramedics play an ever-increasing role in the delivery of health care. Establishing statewide training for emergency medical technicians is a significant task. The experience at Kan. sas University Medical Center, I am certain, will lay the groundwork for similar programs. At the University of Oregon Health Sciences Center we are planning to begin our EMT-paramedic program based on the 16-module Pittsburgh plan. With funding from a private foundation, we will be able to train 14 to 15 paramedics every six months under the supervision of a full-time physician-director and paramedic coordinator. Our program will initially train a small number of paramedics, but we hope these people, with local physi- cian guidance, will be able to establish satellite programs in more rural areas. Establishing a cadre of profession- ally trained personnel in the delivery of emergency care is essential to our health care system. Marc J. Bayer, MD Associate Director Emergency Services University of Oregon Triage and Vital Signs To the Editor: In reply to the article '~Effectiveness of Nurse Triage in the Emergency Department of an Urban County Hospi- tal," by John Mills, MD (November 1976), I would ada- mantly oppose a triage system for emergency depart- ments not based on the patient's vital signs. Lord Kelvin stated ~When you can measure what you are speaking about.., you know something about it, but when you cannot measure it, your knowledge is of a very meager kind." 70/224 6:5 (May)1977 J~P

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(Correspondence Xylocaine Viscous for Diagnosis of Chest Pain To the Editor:

It was wi th considerable a m u s e m e n t tha t I read Dr. Schwartz ' s a r t ic le ~'Xylocaine Viscous as an Aid in the Di f fe ren t i a l D iagnos i s of Ches t P a i n " (Dec. 1976). I t seems tha t the ~Schwartz test" has been a round a good deal longer t han Dr. Schwartz in t imates . In 1974 while t a k i n g an emergency depa r tmen t elect ive dur ing my in- t e rnsh ip a t Georgia Bapt i s t Hospi ta l in A t l an ta , Georgia, I was in t roduced to the del ightful concoction dubbed by the emergency nurses as the "GI cocktail ." This delicious mix ture consis ted of 20 cc Maalox, 5 cc Xylocaine Vis- cous, 5 cc e l ix i r of phenobarbi ta l , and 5 drops of t inc ture of be l ladonna.

Af te r phys ica l examina t ion was performed, a pa t i en t c o m p l a i n i n g of a t y p i c a l ches t p a i n w i t h or w i t h o u t ep igas t r i c d i scomfor t would f r equen t l y be g iven a GI cocktai l and the resu l t s observed. Not inf requent ly , w i th some prodding, the pa t i en t would give a h is tory of dys- pepsia and over indulgence of food or alcoholic beverages. I can r e m e m b e r severa l occasions, af ter hav ing reques ted an e lec t rocard iogram, (EKG) and the GI cocktai l a t the same t ime, when the E K G technic ian appeared (usual ly in 10 to 15 minutes ) the pa t ien t was ~cured" and asked us why we were doing an EKG.

We have no contro l led s tudies but I am sure m a n y examples could be found in old emergency d e p a r t m e n t records. My amusement , too, comes from my assumpt ion tha t everyone knew of the good old GI cocktail . Pe rhaps the "Schwar tz test" would work as well as our GI cocktai l wi th one q u a r t e r the dose of Xylocaine Viscous by adding the e l ix i r of phenoba rb i t a l and t inc ture of bel ladonna.

Albert D. Friday, Jr, MD Channelview, Texas

Author's Reply The pa r t i cu l a r GI cocktai l wi th Xylocaine Viscous as

an ingred ien t is new to me and could not be found in the medical l i t e r a tu re over the past ten years . Perhaps , as wi th o ther s imple innovat ions and techniques , nobody felt i t was necessary to ~spread the word." I contacted As t r a Pha rmaceu t i ca l Products, Inc. and they were also unaware of such use.

The dosage of Xylocaine Viscous used (20 cc) was a de- cision based on experience. I t h ink it l ike ly tha t 5 or 10 cc might work as well, a t leas t in some people. Thus, if the re is concern t h a t dosage be minimized, 5 cc should be t r ied. Dr. F r i d a y ' s exper ience ce r t a in ly sugges ts effec- t iveness at a lower dosage.

The addi t ion of phenobarb i t a l and be l l adonna is un-

necessary since the response to the Xylocaine Viscous i~ so rap id i t is un l ike ly t ha t the re is much absorption i~ the other agents . Also, there has been concern about us~ of a t ropine- l ike subs tances in the presence of a myocar? dial infarction.

The use of Xylocaine Viscous as a diagnost ic aid s e e ~ to be re la ted to i ts topical and no t systemic effects.

George R. Schwartz, MI) Mount Holly, New Jersey

Statewide EMT Training To the Editor:

I r e a d w i t h g r e a t i n t e r e s t Dr. M c S w a i n ' s article "Sta tewide Approach to E m e r g e n c y Medical Training" ( Janua ry 1977). This art icle, I believe, is of particular~ re levance as EMT-paramed ics p l ay an ever-increasing role in the de l ivery of hea l th care.

Es t ab l i sh ing s ta tewide t r a i n i n g for emergency medical technic ians is a s ignif icant task. The experience at Kan. sas Univers i ty Medical Center , I am certain, wil l lay the groundwork for s imi la r programs.

At the Un ive r s i ty of Oregon Hea l th Sciences Center we are p lann ing to begin our EMT-paramedic program based on the 16-module P i t t sburgh plan. Wi th funding from a p r iva te foundat ion, we wil l be able to t r a in 14 to 15 paramedics every six months under the supervis ion of a ful l - t ime phys ic ian-d i rec tor and pa ramedic coordinator. O u r p r o g r a m wi l l i n i t i a l l y t r a i n a s m a l l n u m b e r of paramedics , but we hope these people, wi th local physi- c ian guidance, will be able to es tab l i sh sa te l l i te programs in more ru ra l areas. E s t a b l i sh ing a cadre of profession- a l ly t r a ined personnel in the de l ivery of emergency care is essent ia l to our h e a l t h care system.

Marc J. Bayer, MD Associate Director

Emergency Services University of Oregon

Triage and Vital Signs To the Editor:

In reply to the ar t ic le '~Effectiveness of Nurse Triage in the Emergency D e pa r tme n t of an U r b a n County Hospi- ta l ," by John Mills, MD (November 1976), I would ada- m a n t l y oppose a t r i a g e sys tem for emergency depart- men t s not based on the pa t i en t ' s v i ta l signs.

Lord Kelv in s t a ted ~When you can measure wha t you are speak ing a b o u t . . , you know someth ing about it, but when you cannot measure it, your knowledge is of a very meage r kind."

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L~sing hospi tal based emergency medical technic ians (~Ts) to t ake v i ta l s igns can allow the phys ic ian and ~ursi~g personnel more t ime for the cognit ive processes 0f triage. Use of an electronic t h e r m o m e t e r g rea t ly re- duces the t ime requ i red to obta in v i ta l signs. The child ¢ith high fever (thus prone to seizures), the hyper tens ive patient, the dizzy pa t i en t wi th an a r r h y t h m i a , and the -^ung girl wi th a pu lmonary embolus and unexpla ined Y~ ~.,,ardia, are a few examples of pa t i en t s who m a y look essential!y well , b u t do fal l in the c a t e g o r y of '~true

emergencms- proper t r i age by pa ramedica l and nur s ing personnel

~ill allow the emergency phys ic ian to meet the demands placed on the emergency depar tment .

Jerry Goddard, MD Emergency Physician's Group, PC

Tacoma, Washington

Author's Reply I appreciate Dr. Goddard 's comments r ega rd ing our ar-

ticle. Basically, I agree tha t i t would be op t imal to ob ta in vital signs on every person coming to the emergency de- partment, and as I pointed out in the paper , th is would, in fact, modera te ly increase the precis ion of nurse t r iage . It was my opinion, however, t h a t the increase in t ime necessary to ob ta in complete v i ta l s igns was not cost ef- fective for the nurse t r iage process.

John Mills, MD Chief, Division of Infectious Diseases

University of California, San Francisco

Schizophrenia Defined To the Editor:

Michael E l i a s t am, MD, wrote you ( Janua ry 1977) con- coming his desire to " improve the qua l i ty of scientif ic evaluation . . . "

I would beg of him, and of you, please allow those of us in psychia t ry the same privi lege.

Schizophrenia is admi t t ed ly a vague ly def ined diag- nosis but i t is not a synonym for "confusing," " improper ," or "unscientific," a l l of which could have been used in Dr. Eliastam's l e t t e r to more por t ray his feelings.

J. F. Hooper, MD Department of Psychiatry

University of Kentucky

Author's Reply Dr. Hooper ' s comments a re obvious ly app rop r i a t e . I

have a l r e a d y been v e r b a l l y a s s a u l t e d by m y wife, a psychiatry res ident , who pointed out t~a t I was us ing an entirely incorrect cl inical defini t ion.

In a t t emp t ing to hold an emba t t l ed posit ion, I would like to point out t ha t I used the word schizophrenic to SUggest t h a t the author ' s comments on the va lue of the

esophagea l ob tu ra to r a i rway ref lected a form of dissocia- t ion or "spl i t t ing." The d i s s o c i a t i o n r e l a t e d to the absence of good cl in ical s tudies to suppor t the c la ims about the "proven" appl icab i l i ty of t r achea l in tuba t ion in the pre- hospi ta l care set t ing.

Michael Eliastam, MD Director of Emergency Services

Stanford University Medical Center

Complications of G-Suit To the Editor:

"Clinical Use of the G-Suit ," by Soler, et al (August 1976) does much to exp la in some of the theore t ica l as- pects of the G-sui t and is ce r t a in ly t imely. There are two areas, however, I m u s t d isagree with.

"A drop of 40-60 m m Hg or more in blood pressure can be expected on deflat ion." This is t rue if the t rousers are rap id ly deflated. However , they should never be r ap id ly deflated. The a u tho r s s ta te t h a t in r a r e cases of pro- longed use wi thout surgery , def la t ion should proceed step by step. I bel ieve s tep by step def la t ion should t a k e place in al l cases. Step by step def la t ion and moni to r ing the blood pressure as the var ious compar tmen t s (beginning wi th the abdominal ) are def la ted, wil l give adequa te re- t u rn of blood pressure before anes thes ia is induced. This can f requent ly be accomplished over a period of 20 to 40 minutes , while a pa t i e n t is be ing prepared for surgery . If complete def la t ion cannot be accomplished pr ior to ini t ia- t ion of anes thes ia , the abdomina l segment at l eas t usu- al ly can be def la ted and g r a d u a l def la t ion of the leg seg- m e n t s accompl i shed i n t r a o p e r a t i v e l y . No hypo tens ion should occur.

"Sudden increase in i n t r a - a b d o m i n a l pressure can pro- duce dyspnea, f r ank r e sp i r a to ry embar r a s smen t , emesis , defecation and/or u r ina t ion ." Al though these complica- t ions are ment ioned i n the l i t e r a tu r e 1 and in the man- ufac turer ' s in format ion (David Clark) , in our recent ex- perience of 50 cases repor ted in September to the Amer i - can Associa t ion for the Surgery of Trauma, 2 we had none of these complicat ions. In only th ree cases was there a drop in blood pressure in the r ange of 30-60 m m Hg. This was due to someone i n e x p e r i e n c e d in the use of the t rouse r s not p rope r ly r e p l a c i n g f luids and m o n i t o r i n g blood pressure dur ing the i r deflat ion.

I would l ike to compl imen t the authors on the i r work but do not feel t h a t compl ica t ions are of the f requency commonly bel ieved bu t do feel t hey are theoret ical . I em- phasize t h a t they do not need to produce severe hypoten- sive problems.

Norman E. McSwain, Jr, MD, FACS Department of Surgery

Kansas University Medical Center

REFERENCES 1. Kaplan BC, _Civetta TM, Nagel EL, et al: The military anti- shock trouser in civilian pre-hospital emergency care. J Trauma 13:843-848, 1973.

2. McSwain NE: Report of 50 cases of G-suit use. J Trauma (to be published).

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