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 562  F1KGULB1 Trial  1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT  SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK  2 ------------------------------x  3 UNITED STATES OF AERICA!  " #$ 1" Cr$ 6% &KBF'  5 ROSS WILLIA ULBRICHT!  6 D()(*+a*,$   ------------------------------x  % N(. Y/r0! N$Y$  a*ar 24! 2415   1144 a$7$ 14  B()/r( 11  HON$ KATHERINE B$ FORREST! 12  Di8,ri9, +:( 13 1" A;;EARANCES 15  ;REET BHARARA! 16 U*i,(+ S,a,(8 A,,/r*( )/r ,<(  S/,<(r* Di8,ri9, /) N(. Y/r0 1 BY SERRIN A$ TURNER  TIOTHY HOWARD 1% A88i8,a*, U*i,(+ S,a,(8 A,,/r*(8 1 OSHUA LEWIS DRATEL  LINDSAY LEWIS 24 OSHUA HOROWIT=  A,,/r*(8 )/r D()(*+a*, 21  - al8/ >r(8(*, - 22  S>(9ial A:(*, ?i*9(*, D@A:/8,i*/ 23 /ll R/8(*! G/#(r*7(*, ;aral(:al  Ni9</la8 E#(r,! G/#(r*7(*, ;aral(:al 2" S<ar/* Ki7! G/#(r*7(*, I*,(r* 25  SOUTHERN DISTRICT RE;ORTERS! ;$C$  &212' %45-4344

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 1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

  SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK

 2 ------------------------------x

 3 UNITED STATES OF AERICA!

 " #$ 1" Cr$ 6% &KBF'

 5 ROSS WILLIA ULBRICHT!

 6 D()(*+a*,$

  ------------------------------x

 % N(. Y/r0! N$Y$

  a*ar 24! 2415

  1144 a$7$

14

  B()/r(

11

  HON$ KATHERINE B$ FORREST!

12

  Di8,ri9, +:(

13

1" A;;EARANCES

15

  ;REET BHARARA!

16 U*i,(+ S,a,(8 A,,/r*( )/r ,<(  S/,<(r* Di8,ri9, /) N(. Y/r0

1 BY SERRIN A$ TURNER

  TIOTHY HOWARD

1% A88i8,a*, U*i,(+ S,a,(8 A,,/r*(8

1 OSHUA LEWIS DRATEL

  LINDSAY LEWIS

24 OSHUA HOROWIT=

  A,,/r*(8 )/r D()(*+a*,

21

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22

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23 /ll R/8(*! G/#(r*7(*, ;aral(:al

  Ni9</la8 E#(r,! G/#(r*7(*, ;aral(:al

2" S<ar/* Ki7! G/#(r*7(*, I*,(r*

25

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 1 &Ca8( 9all(+ i* />(* 9/r, r */, >r(8(*,'

 2 R$ DRATEL T<a*0 / )/r /r a99/77/+a,i/*8$

 3 THE COURT T<(8( ,<i*:8 <a>>(*$ T// a+ i, <a>>(*(+

 " ,/ la,( a, *i:<, )/r /! , <(r( .( ar( a*+ i,@8 all 8(, a,

 5 ,<i8 >/i*,$ I, a9,all +i+ <a#( ,<( a+#a*,a:( -- >l(a8( (

 6 8(a,(+! all /) / -- /) :i#i*: 7( 8/7( a++i,i/*al ,i7( ,/ :/

  ,<r/:< 8/7( 7a,,(r8$ I@#( :/, /*( a*+ ,<(* >/88il a 8(9/*+

 % 7a,,(r rai8(+ ,<( :/#(r*7(*, i* a l(,,(r ,<i8 7/r*i*: ,/ :/

  /#(r$ T<( 7ai* 7a,,(r ,<a, I .a*,(+ ,/ a++r(88 ()/r( .( 8,ar,

14 i8 ,<( (#i+(*,iar i88( l(), /#(r /* T<r8+a! .<i9< .a8 ,<(

11 8(9, /) ,<( 8i:*i)i9a*, l(,,(r 87i88i/*8 ,<a, I r(9(i#(+

12 /* ,<( 1,< )r/7 /,< 8i+(8$

13 Ar( ,<(r( /,<(r i88(8 a>ar, )r/7 ,<( /*( rai8(+ ,<i8

1" 7/r*i*: a*+ ,<( /,<(r ,<a, .a8 ,<( 8(9, /) ,<( 8i:*i)i9a*,

15 87i88i/*8 ,<a, / )/l08 .a*, ,/ rai8( I 8, .a*, ,/ :(, a

16 8(*8( /) </. 7a* ,<i*:8 .( *((+ ,/ a++r(88 ()/r( .( (:i*$

1 R$ TURNER T<(r( ar( ,<r(( /,<(r8$

1% THE COURT Ar( ,<( 8</r, /r l/*:(r

1 R$ TURNER T./ I ,<i*0 ar( )airl 8</r,! ,./ i*

24 >ar,i9lar$ O*( /) .<i9< .(@+ li0( ,/ a++r(88 a, 8i+( ar$

21 THE COURT I8 ,<a, ,<( /*( )r/7 /r 8</r, l(,,(r

22 R$ TURNER T<(r(@8 a* a++i,i/*al /*($

23 THE COURT T<(* i8 ,<(r( a* ,<a, / 9a* /,<(r.i8(

2" rai8( a*+ .(@ll 0*/90 ,</8( /)) a*+ :(, ,<(7 +/*(

25 R$ TURNER Sr($ O*( i8 #(r 8</r,$ W( ,<i*0 a*

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 1 i*8,r9,i/* 8</l+ ( :i#(* ,/ ,<( r a, 8/7( >/i*, ,<a, a*

 2 r(+a9,i/*8 ,<( 8(( i* ,<( (x<ii,8 8</l+ */, ( ,a0(* ,/ 7(a*

 3 a*,<i*:$ T<(@r( :(*(rall ,/ >r/,(9, >ri#a,( i*)/r7a,i/*

 " ,<a, 7i:<, a>>(ar i* ,<( +/97(*,8$

 5 THE COURT r$ Dra,(l! +/ / <a#( a* />>/8i,i/* ,/

 6 a* i*8,r9,i/* al/*: ,</8( li*(8

  R$ DRATEL N/! 8, ,<a, i,@8 */, r(l(#a*,$ T<a,@8

 % .< i,@8 r(+a9,(+$

  R$ TURNER A*+ a*/,<(r i88( .( .a*,(+ ,/ rai8( i8

14 +ri*: 9r/88-(xa7i*a,i/* /* T<r8+a! ,<( +()(*8( a80(+ S>(9ial

11 A:(*, D(r-Y(:<iaa* a/, .<(,<(r ,<(r( .(r( r(8,ri9,i/*8 a/,

12 .<a, .a8 8/l+ /* ,<( 8i,(! ,<a, ,<(r( .(r( */ a88a88i*a,i/*8!

13 ,<(r( .(r( */ 9r(+i, 9ar+8! 8,/l(* 9r(+i, 9ar+ i*)/r7a,i/*$

1" A*+ a8 /r H/*/r i8 a.ar(! /r H/*/r rl(+ /ri:i*all ,<a,

15 ,<( :/#(r*7(*, 9a**/, i*,r/+9( (#i+(*9( /) *9<ar:(+ 9ri7i*al

16 9/*+9, ,<a, /99rr(+ /* ,<( 8i,(! a*+ .( (li(#( ,<a, ,<(

1 +()(*8(@8 (8,i/* <a8 />(*(+ ,<( +//r ,/ ,<a,$ T<(r( .(r(

1% :*8 ,<a, .(r( 8/l+ /* ,<( 8i,($ T<(r( .a8 9/*,(r)(i,

1 a>>ar(l$ T<(r( .a8 8,/l(* -- ,<(r(@8 >ira,(+ 8/),.ar(! (,9$

24 THE COURT L(, 7( a80 / a/, ,<a, (9a8( /*( /)

21 ,<( r(a8/*8 )/r ,<( C/r,@8 rli*: .a8 */, /*l r(l(#a*9! ,

22 i, .a8 al8/ ,<a, ,<( a8i8 )/r :(,,i*: ,<a, i*)/r7a,i/* i*

23 r(ir(+! I (li(#( i* 8/7( i*8,a*9(8! :(,,i*: ,<r/:< ,<(

2" <(ar8a /(9,i/* )/r ,<( ></,/:ra><8 /) ,<( .(8i,( .<i9<

25 i*+i9a,(+ ,<( *ar9/,i98! ,<a, ,<(r(@8 a 9/9/*8>ira,/r (x9(>,i/*

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 1 .<i9< ,<( C/r, 7a+( rli*:8 /*$ B, )/r ,<i*:8 li0(

 2 9/*,(r)(i, G99i (l,! ,<( (8,i/* i8! i) /@r( :/i*: ,/ 8a

 3 ,<a, 9/*,(r)(i, ,<i*:8 .(r(! i* )a9,! 8/l+ #(r88 ,<(r( .(r(

 " a+#(r,i8(7(*,8 89< a8 ! I ,<i*0 ,<(r(@8 a <(ar8a >r/l(7$

 5 I) / 8a ,<(r( .(r( 9/*,(r)(i, ,<i*:8 8/l+! I ,<i*0 .( r*

 6 i*,/ ,<i8 >r/l(7$ I) /@r( :/i*: ,/ 8a .(r( / a.ar( ,<a,

  ,<(r( .(r( a+#(r,i8(7(*,8 )/r ,<( )/ll/.i*: ,<i*:8 a*+ l(a#(

 % ,<a, />(*! ,<a,@8 a +i))(r(*, all($

  R$ TURNER T<(r( ar( a 9/>l( /) >/i*,8 Fir8, /)

14 all! I ,<i*0 ,<( 9/9/*8>ira,/r (x9(>,i/* ./l+ a>>l ,/ ,<(

11 8a7( (x,(*, ,<( 9/9/*8>ira,/r (x9(>,i/* +/(8*@, <a#( ,/ a>>l

12 ,/ a 9<ar:(+ 9/*8>ira9! i,@8 8, a* 9/*8>ira9$ A*+ .(

13 9/*,i*( ,/ ,a0( ,<( >/8i,i/* ,<a, ,<(8( 8,a,(7(*,8 ar( */,

1" (#(* /))(r(+ )/r ,<( ,r,<$ I, ./l+ ( a0i* ,/ 8/7(/+

15 >/8,i*: >i9,r(8 /) a :r/9(r 8,/r( .i,< ,<( i,(78 /* 8al( a*+

16 ,<( >ri9(8$ T<(8( ar( */, 8,a,(7(*,8! , ,<(@r( (#i+(*9(

1 ,<a, ,<(r(@8 8/7(,<i*: (i*: 8/l+ ,<(r( a8 r()l(9,(+ i* ,<(

1% a+#(r,i8(7(*,$ T<(@r( /))(r8$ T<(@r( */, 8,a,(7(*,8 .i,< a

1 ,r,< #al($

24 THE COURT T<a,@8 I ,<i*0 ,<( 8(9/*+ a#(*( ,<a, I

21 .a8 />(*i*: >$ 8::(8,i/* i8! i) /@r( :/i*: ,/ 8a ,<(8(

22 ar( ,<( ,<i*:8 ,<a, .(r( a+#(r,i8(+! / .(r( a80(+ a/,

23 9(r,ai* ://+8 a*+ 8(r#i9(8 ,<a, .(r( */, (i*: a+#(r,i8(+! .(r(

2" / a.ar( /) /,<(r ,<i*:8 ,<a, .(r( (i*: a+#(r,i8(+ /,<(r ,<a*

25 .<a, .( ,al0(+ a/, Y(8! 89< a8 ,<(8( ,>(8 /)

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 1 a+#(r,i8(7(*,8$

 2 R$ TURNER Ri:<,$

 3 THE COURT Ar( / :/i*: ,/ :/ a* )r,<(r ,<a* ,<a,

 " R$ TURNER N/$ W( 9a* 8,i90 ,/ a+#(r,i8(7(*,8 /r .(

 5 9a* 8i7>l 8,ri0( ,<( ,(8,i7/* ,<a, .a8 alr(a+ a+7i,,(+ a*+

 6 .( +/*@, <a#( ,/ :(, i*,/ ,</8( /,<(r ://+8! , .( +/ ,<i*0

  ,<( +()(*8( />(*(+ ,<( +//r ,/ ,<a, 8/r, /) (#i+(*9( .i,< ,<a,

 % (8,i/*i*:$

  THE COURT r$ Dra,(l! +/ / <a#( a r(8>/*8( ,/

14 ,<a,! )ir8,! .<(,<(r /r */, .( (li7i*a,( i, 8, 8,ri0i*:

11 ,<( i*)/r7a,i/* (li9i,(+ a8 ,/ .<a, .a8 */, 8/l+! 8, /* ,<(

12 a8i8 .i,< 8/r, /) a 8</r, 8,a,(7(*, ,<a, / <(ar+ ,(8,i7/*

13 a/, .<a, 7a */, <a#( ((* 8/l+ a*+ ,<( /*l ,<i*: ,<a,@8

1" r(all r(l(#a*, <(r( i8 i*)/r7a,i/* r(l(#a*, ,/ ,<( 9<ar:(8$

15 T<a, ./l+ ( /*( .a /) <a*+li*: i,! a*+ */, :(,,i*: i*,/ ,<(

16 />(*i*: /) ,<( +//r )/r ,<( /,<(r >i(9(8$

1 R$ DRATEL Ri:<,$ I ,<i*0 .i,< r(8>(9, ,/ />(*i*:

1% ,<( +//r! ,</:<! i, +i+*@, />(* ,<( +//r i* ,<( 8(*8( ,<a,

1 8ai*: .<a, i8 */, >(r7i,,(+ /* ,<( 8i,(! .<i9< .a8 a99ra,(!

24 +/(8 */, />(* ,<( +//r ,/ .<a, .a8 >(r7i,,(+ /* ,<( 8i,($ S/

21 i* /,<(r ./r+8! ,<( :/#(r*7(*, -- i,@8 */, ,<a, ,<( ,(8,i7/*

22 .a8 i*a99ra,( /r 7i8l(a+i*: i* a*.a (9a8( I +i+*@, 8a

23 ,<a, a*,<i*: ,<a, ,<( :/#(r*7(*, .a*,8 ,/ >, i* .a8 */,

2" /))(r(+ /* ,<( 8i,(! /*l ,</8( 8>(9i)i9 ,<i*:8 ,<a, .(r( */,

25 all/.(+ /* ,<( 8i,($

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 1 THE COURT I +/ r(7(7(r ,<( (8,i/*i*: (9a8( I

 2 a9,all <a+ ,<( 8a7( ,</:<, a/, i, )alli*: i*,/ ,<( />(*i*:

 3 /) ,<( +//r )/r ,<(8( /,<(r >i(9(8$ O*( /) ,<( i7>li9a,i/*8

 " .a8 ,<a, r(all a+ ,<i*:8! /,<(r 0i*+8 /) a+ ,<i*:8 .(r( */,

 5 /))(r(+ /* ,<( 8i,(! )/r i*8,a*9(! ,<i*:8 .<i9<! ,/ >i90 > /*

 6 a ,<(7( I ,<i*0 <a8 ((* +(#(l/>(+! 9/l+ */, <ar7 >(/>l( ,<a,

  a8 .( <a#( 8((* )r/7 ,<( 8i:*a,r( li*( /) 9(r,ai* 9<a,8! ,<(

 % +r:8 +/*@, 7> /)) ,<( ,al( a*+ <ar7 a*/*($ S/ I ,<i*0

  i7>li9a,i/* 8i*9( ,</8( +/97(*,8 ar( i*! ,<( (8,i/* /)

14 .<(,<(r /r */, :*8 .(r( (i*: 8/l+! I 8>>/8( / 9/l+ ar:(

11 ,<a, ,<( +/*@, 7> /)) ,<( ,al( a*+ <r, 8/7(/*( (i,<(r! ,

12 i,@8 a li,,l( )r,<(r a)i(l+$ I,@8 >/,(*,iall />(*(+$

13 W< +/*@, / ,(ll 7( .<(,<(r /r */, /@+ ( .illi*:

1" ,/ 8,ri0( ,<( li*( I ./l+ +/ i, i* a .a ,<a, i8 #(r I

15 ,<i*0 #(r li:<,! .<i9< i8 / 7a <a#( <(ar+ ,(8,i7/* a/,

16 /,<(r ://+8 a*+ 8(r#i9(8 ,<a, .(r( /r .(r( */, 8/l+ /* ,<(

1 8i,($ W<a,@8 r(l(#a*, ,/ /! la+i(8 a*+ :(*,l(7(*! /) ,<(

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1 ,<a, (#i+(*9( a8 ,/ .<a, <a8 ((* 8/l+ /* ,<( 8i,($

24 R$ DRATEL Ca* I ,<i*0 a/, ,<a, )/r a li,,l( i,$

21 THE COURT Y(8$ T<( /,<(r i88(! .a8 ,<(r( 8/7(,<i*:

22 (l8(! r$ Tr*(r

23 R$ TURNER T<(r(@8 a ,<ir+ i88( .(@+ li0( ,/ rai8(

2" a, 8i+( ar$

25 THE COURT Ri:<,$ W( <a#( ,./ 8i+( ar i88(8$ T<(*

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 3 .i,< rli*:8 li0( ,<i8! I <a#( r(a+ ,<( 9a8(8 .<i9< / )/l08

 " <a#( >r(8(*,(+ 7( .i,<! )/r .<i9< I ,<a*0 /! a*+ al8/ +i+

 5 ra,<(r (x<a8,i#( r(8(ar9< /* /r /.* ,/ 9/7( > .i,< .<a, i8

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14 :(*(ri9all +(89ri(+ a8 a* al,(r*a,i#( >(r>(,ra,/r i88($

11 I <a#( r(a+ ,<( l(,,(r8 87i,,(+ ,<( >ar,i(8$ I

12 <a#( r(a+ ,<( 9a8(8 a*+ I al8/ .(*, a90 a*+ r(#i(.(+ ,<(

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16 .(r( all 0i*+8 /) ,<i*:8 ,/ .<i9< ,<( :/#(r*7(*, >r/al

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22 B, l(,@8 >, ,<a, i88( /) .<(,<(r ,<(r( ./l+ ( a .ai#(r ,/

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11 .<(,<(r ,<( +()(*+a*, .a8 Dr(a+ ;ira,( R/(r,8 A*+ ,<a, i8

12 (9a8( a, 9(r,ai* >/i*,8 /) ,i7(! ,<(r( ar( 9(r,ai* >i(9(8 /)

13 (#i+(*9( .<(r( Dr(a+ ;ira,( R/(r,8 +/(8 9(r,ai* ,<i*:8 .<i9<

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15 7/7(*, i8 r$ Ulri9<,! ,<(* ,<a, l(a+8 ,/ /*( 8(, /) >/88il(

16 i*)(r(*9(8 i) Dr(a+ ;ira,( R/(r,8 a, ,<a, >/i*, i* ,i7( i8

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1 )/r(9l/8i*: /r! / 0*/.! /r a,,(7>, ,/ il+ ,<a, +()(*8(

24 ,<(/r 8</.i*: ,<a, /r 9li(*,! /r .</7(#(r <a+ 9(r,ai*

21 8(r *a7(8! .<a,(#(r ,<( 8(r *a7(8 ar(! <a*+(+ /))

22 a+7i*i8,ra,i#( 9a>aili,i(8 ,/ 8/7(/+ (l8( ,/ ,a0( /#(r ,<a,

23 r/l( )/r 8/7( >(ri/+ /) ,i7($

2" R$ DRATEL B, ,<a, i8 */, ,<( 8,a*+ar+ i* ,<(8(

25 /,<(r 9a8(8! a*+ ,<( r(#(r8al8 a*+ Er9/l(! Al#ar( #$ Er9/l( i8

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 2 THE COURT r$ Dra,(l! I <a#( r(a+ ,</8( 9a8(8! a*+ I

 3 (li(#( ,<a, ,<( ar( 8ar(l +i8,i*:i8<al($ I 7(a* ,<(

 " Er9/l( 9a8(! a8 / 0*/.! .a8 a #(r >ar,i9lar 0i*+ /) 9a8(

 5 .<(r( */, /*l <a+ 8/7(/+ (l8( ((* i7>li9a,(+ , 8/7(/+

 6 (l8( <a+ ((* (88(*,iall 8</.* ,/ ( li0(l ,/ ( ,<( :$

  A*+ ,<( 8, +i+*@, -- ,<( <a+ ,<( *a7($ T<( <a+ ,<( ></*(

 % *7(r! /r ,<( 9/*,a9, i*)/r7a,i/*$ I 9a*@, r(7(7(r </. i,

  .a8$ A*+ ,<(* ,<( 8, )ail(+ ,/ )/ll/. >$ I, i8 +i))(r(*,$

14 R$ DRATEL B, i,@8 /*l +i))(r(*, a8 a 7a,,(r /)

11 +(:r(($ I) ,<( )ailr( ,/ -- i, .a8 ,<( r()8al ,/ >(r7i,

12 9r/88-(xa7i*a,i/* a8 ,/ ,<a, i88( .<i9< .a8 ,<( a8i8 )/r ,<(

13 r(#(r8al$ A*+ i, .a8 */, -- a*+ i, i8 */, a (8,i/* /) I <a#(

1" ,/ <a#( a ></,/:ra>< /) D;R a*+ i, i8 */, r$ Ulri9<,$ I 9a*

15 (8,ali8< i, i*)(r(*9($ A*+ 8, ,<( .a ,<( :/#(r*7(*, i8

16 (8,ali8<i*: i,8 9a8( i*)(r(*9($

1 THE COURT Y/ 9/l+ 9(r,ai*l (8,ali8< i,

1% i*)(r(*9(! , ,<a, i8 .< I .a*, ,/ +i))(r(*,ia,( (,.((*

1 /@#( :/, ,/ <a#( 8/7( i*)/r7a,i/* ,<a, Kar>(l(8 i* )a9,

24 (i,<(r <a+ i*)/r7a,i/* /* D;R /r ,<a,@8 r(lial(! a*+/r i) /

21 ar( :/i*: ,/ il+ Kar>(l(8 > a8 -- i8 i, /r #i(. ,<a,

22 Kar>(l(8 .a8 */, ,<( r(al D;R! /r i8 i, /r #i(. ,<a, <( .a8

23 ,<( r(al D;R

2" R$ DRATEL #i(. i8 ,<a, <( 9/l+ ( ,<( r(al D;R$

25 THE COURT D/ / <a#( a* i*)/r7a,i/*! /,<(r .<a,

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 3 /,<(r 9ar(88 8a / <a#( ,/ <a#( ()/r( .( :/ /)) /* ,<i8

 " r/a+

 5 R$ DRATEL I 9a* +/ 9r/88-(xa7i*a,i/*$ I@7 */,

 6 r(ir(+ ,/ <a#( a .i,*(88 .</ 9/7(8 > a*+ +/(8 ,<a,$ W( <a#(

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 % 8, 8/ i, i8 9l(ar .<a, /r ,<(/r i8$ Or ,<(/r i8 ,<a,

  r$ Ulri9<, 9r(a,(+ ,<( .(8i,(! :/, /, a 9/>l( /) 7/*,<

14 la,(r! +i+ */, 9/7( a90 i* a, a* >/i*, *,il ,<( #(r (*+!

11 .a8 */, i* a, ,<( #(r (*+$ H( .a8 */, i* a 9/*8>ira9! a*+ <(

12 .a8 */, />(ra,i*: ,<( .(8i,($ T<( )a9, ,<a, <( <a+ -- .<a,

13 ,<( (#i+(*9( 8</.8 a/, .<a, .a8 /* <i8 la>,/>! )i*(! .( .ill

1" (x>lai*$

15 THE COURT OK$

16 R$ DRATEL B, --

1 THE COURT All /) ,<a,! /) 9/r8(! / ar( .(l9/7( ,/

1% (x>lai*! a*+ / ar( 9(r,ai*l .(l9/7( ,/ 9r/88-(xa7i*( ,<i8

1 .i,*(88$ I@ll ,(ll /$ I )((l #(r 9/7)/r,al( i* a

24 9ar()l -- a*+ .i,< ,<( Er9/l( 9a8(! i, i8 a 241" 9a8($ I, i8

21 a* *8al 9a8( (9a8( i, i8 a r(#(r8al /) a 8,a,( 9/r, 9a8($

22 T<(r( i8 a r(7a*+ /* <a(a8$ I r(a+ i, a 9/>l( /) ,i7(8$ B,

23 I@7 9/7)/r,al($ I@#( al8/ r(a+ ,<( Kil( #$ W<i,( 9a8( 7/r(

2" ,<a* /*9( i* ,<( 9/*,(x, /) ,<i8 a*+ /,<(r 9a8(8$ I@7

25 9/7)/r,al( .i,< 7 rli*:$

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 2 +/ / *+(r8,a*+ ,<( >ara7(,(r8 /) .<a, / 9a* a80

 3 R$ DRATEL I ,<i*0 8/$ B, I 8, *((+ ,/ 9/7>l(,(

 " ,<( r(9/r+ 8, ,/ >r(8(r#( i,! (9a8( .i,< r(8>(9, ,/ Kl(8

 5 #$ W<i,l(! ,<( S>r(7( C/r, 9a8(! B(a*! ,<( all(:(+

 6 al,(r*a,i#( >(r>(,ra,/r! ,<( +i+*@, <a#( >r//)$ T<( +i+ i,

  all ,<r/:< ,<( >/li9( i*#(8,i:a,i/*$ T<( +i+*@, <a#(

 % a++i,i/*al .i,*(88(8$ T<( <a+ ,<( >/li9($

  A*+ ,<i8 i8 9/7i*(+ .i,< ,<( >/li9( i*#(8,i:a,i/*

14 i88($ T<( ar( i*(x,ri9al( i* 7a* r(8>(9,8! a*+ i, i8 */,

11 a/, -- i, i8 */, 8, a/, .<(,<(r i, .a8 8</++ , i, i8

12 a/, /,<(r ,<i*:8 ,<a, I@ll :(, i*,/ /* 9r/88 .i,< ,<i8

13 .i,*(88 ,<a, I +/*@, ,<i*0 ar( /(9,i/*al( a, all (9a8(

1" ,<( :/ ,/ 7/,i#a,i/*8 a*+ /,<(r ,<i*:8 i* ,(r78 /) ,<(

15 i*#(8,i:a,i/*$ S/ ,<a,@8 all >ar, /) ,<( 8a7( >i(9($ A*+ I

16 9a* il+ ,<a, i*)(r(*9($ I a7 >(r7i,,(+ ,/ +/ ,<a,

1 9r/88 a*+ i*)(r(*9($

1% THE COURT Y/ ar( >(r7i,,(+ ,/ +/ ,<a, ,<r/:<

1 9/7>(,(*9( (#i+(*9( ,<r/:< 9r/88 a*+ ,<r/:< i*)(r(*9($ T<(

24 (8,i/* i8 :/i*: ,/ ( .<a, i8 a>>r/>ria,( )/r ,<i8 .i,*(88 ,/

21 8>(a0 ,/! a*+ i, .ill ( ,<i*:8 ,<a, <( >(r9(i#(+ .i,< /*( /)

22 <i8 8(*8(8! a8 .i,*(88(8 +/! a8 />>/8(+ ,/ .<a, <( 7a <a#(

23 <(l+ a8 a (li() a, /*( >/i*, i* ,i7($

2" R$ DRATEL I *+(r8,a*+ ,<a, >ar,$

25 THE COURT I a7 */, :/i*: ,/ l(, ,<(7 a80 +i+ /

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 2 ,(ll 7( ,<( 2 r(a8/*8 .<$ T<a, ./l+ ( --

 3 R$ DRATEL T<a, ./l+ ( <i8 +ir(9,$

 " THE COURT T<a, ./l+ ( <i8 r(+ir(9,$

 5 R$ DRATEL I a7 8ai*: ,<a, ./l+ ( <i8 +ir(9,$

 6 THE COURT N/$ W(ll! / ar( ,al0i*: a/, ,</8( ar(

  i*)(r(*9(8 #(r88 <i8 9/*9l8i/*8$

 % All ri:<,$ S/ i) / <a#( a* (8,i/*8 a/, a

  >ar,i9lar i88( ,<a, / .a*, ,/ rai8( ,<a, I a7 */, l(,,i*:

14 / rai8(! ,<(* >r(8(*, i, ,/ 7(! , /,<(r.i8( .(@ll >r/9((+

11 .i,< ,<i8$ I@7 */, ri:<, */. 8,ri0i*: a* /) ,<( ,(8,i7/*

12 ,<a, 9a7( i*$ Fra*0l! a <:( a7/*, 9a7( i* /* T<r8+a$ I,

13 .ill ( > ,/ r(all ,<( :/#(r*7(*,@8 r+(* ,/ )i:r( /, .<a,

1" >/r,i/*8 ,<( (li(#( ar( a>>r/>ria,(l 8,r90 a*+ ,<(* ,/

15 +i8988 .<(,<(r ,<( +()(*8( a:r((8 */, a8 ,/ .<(,<(r /r */,

16 ,<( a:r(( .i,< ,<( (#i+(*,iar rli*: , :i#(* ,<( C/r,@8

1 >ara7(,(r8! a*+ i) ,<( +()(*8( +/(8 */, a:r(( .i,< a* /) i,!

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1 R$ DRATEL T<(r( i8 al8/ a .ai#(r a8>(9, /) i,$

24 THE COURT T<(r( i8 a .ai#(r a8>(9, /) i,$ W(

21 <a#(*@, ,al0(+ a/, ,<a, /r ri()(+ i,$ T<a, i8 .< I +/*@,

22 .a*, ,/ +/ ,<a, ri:<, */.$ I, i8 9/7>li9a,(+ (9a8( i, i8

23 i*,(r8>(r8(+$ T<(r( ar( 9/7>l(,(l */(9,i/*al( >i(9(8

2" i*,(r8>(r8(+ .i,< /(9,i/*al($ Y/ .ill ( al( ,/ 8a

25 Kar>(l(8 .a8 /, ,<(r($ H( <a+ ,<( 9/7>,(r (x>(r,i8($ H(

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 2 8,ill :/i*: ,/ (! I (li(#(! i* ,<( r(9/r+$ W(@ll <a#( ,/

 3 ,a0( a l//0 a, </. ,<( J a*+ A@8 9/7( /, l,i7a,(l! , ,<(r(

 " .ill ( )a9,8$

 5 All ri:<,$ L(,@8 ,a0( > ,<( ,./ 8i+(ar i88(8$

 6 r$ Tr*(r$

  R$ TURNER Y/r H/*/r! I 8, .a*,(+ ,/ 7a0( 9l(ar$

 % I* ,(r78 /) -- .( 9a* l//0 a, ,<( ,ra*89ri>, a*+ 9/7(

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14 ,<a, ()/r( r(+ir(9,! (9a8( i) 9(r,ai* ,(8,i7/* i8 */,

11 8,ri90(*! ,<(* .( ./l+ .a*, ,/ >/,(*,iall r(+ir(9, ,<(

12 .i,*(88 a 9(r,ai* .a ,/ 9r( ,(8,i7/* ,<a, +i+ 9/7( i*$

13 THE COURT Ca* / <a#( 8/7( /) /r 9/ll(a:(8 <(l>

1" / .i,< <i:<li:<,i*: .<a, / ,<i*0

15 R$ TURNER Y(8! /r H/*/r$

16 THE COURT A*+ a8 li,,l( a8 >/88il($

1 R$ TURNER Y(8! /r H/*/r$

1% THE COURT I 7(a*! ,<(r( i8 /*( .a /) +/i*: i, .<i9<

1 i8! la+i(8 a*+ :(*,l(7(*! / <(ar+ ,<( .i,*(88 ,al0i*: a/,

24 <i8 (li() a*+ #i(.8 a*+ 88>i9i/*8 a/, a* i*+i#i+al$ Y/

21 8</l+ +i8r(:ar+ ,</8( 9/77(*,8 (9a8( <i8 (li()8 a*+ #i(.8

22 a*+ 88>i9i/*8 ar( */, r(l(#a*,$ I, .ill ( )/r / ,/ +(9i+($

23 Y/ ar( :/i*: ,/ ( >r(8(*,(+ .i,< ,<( (#i+(*9( <(r( a8 ,/ ,<i8

2" +()(*+a*, a*+ a*,<i*: (l8( ,<a,@8 i7>/r,a*, )/r / ,/

25 9/*8i+(r! a*+ / 9a* +(9i+( .<(,<(r /r */, ,<a, i8 8))i9i(*,

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 2 T<a, ./l+ ( /*( .a /) +/i*: i,$ A*+ ,<(* .( ./l+

 3 <a#( ,/! )/r >r>/8(8 /) la,(r /*! +(,(r7i*( i) .( <a#(

 " (8,i/*8 la,(r )/r ,<( r ,/ <a#( r(a+ a90! .<(,<(r /r */,

 5 8/7( /) ,</8( >i(9(8 ar( ,<(* (x9i8(+$

 6 R$ TURNER OK$ S/ .(@ll ,a0( a l//0 -- .(@ll <a#(

  8/7(/+ /* /r ,(a7 ,a0( a l//0 a, ,<a, a*+ 8(( i) .( 9a*

 % /))(r 8>(9i)i9 ,(8,i7/* ,/ (x9i8( ()/r( r(+ir(9,$

  THE COURT All ri:<,$ I) I *+(r8,a*+ i,! ,<(r( ar(

14 ,./ 7a,,(r8 a, ,<( 8i+(ar

11 R$ TURNER Y(8! /r H/*/r$

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 3 R$ TURNER O*( i8 8i7>l($ O*( i8 7/r( 9/7>li9a,(+$

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 5 &I* />(* 9/r,'

 6 THE COURT Y/ 0*/.! I@7 8/rr! 9/l+ / -- i, i8 OK

  )/r / )/l08 ,/ ,al0! , 9/l+ / ,al0 /,8i+( (9a8(!

 % a9,all! .( <a#( a <ar+ ,i7( <(ari*: (9a8( .( .<i8>(r >

  <(r(! /r .<i8>(r l/.(r 8/ .( 9a* <(ar .<a, .( ar( 8ai*: <(r($

14 &A, ,<( 8i+(ar'

11 R$ TURNER S/ .<il( 9/*8(l@8 a90 i8 ,r*(+ a8 ,<(

12 9a8( i8 :/i*: )/r.ar+! I <a#( <(ar+ )r/7 7l,i>l( >(/>l( /* 7

13 ,(a7 */. a*+ 7l,i>l( >(/>l( i* ,<( a+i(*9( ,<a, /),(* +ri*:

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15 )a7il a*+ 8>(a0i*: ,/ <i8 )a7il i* a .a ,<a, 7l,i>l( >(/>l(

16 <a#( ,/l+ 7( 8((78 :(ar(+ ,/.ar+ :(*(ra,i*: 87>a,<$ S/ I

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24 R$ DRATEL OK$ I 7(a*! / 0*/.! /#i/8l <i8

21 )a7il i8 <(r($ T<( ar( 8(+ ,/ #i8i,i*: <i7 /* a r(:lar

22 a8i8 a*+ ,<( ar( */, :/i*: ,/ ( al( ,/ #i8i, <i7 +ri*:

23 ,rial (9a8( <( i8 <(r($

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25 #i8i, <i7 a, all ri:<, */.$ T<( 8, :/, ,<a, >a>(r./r0$ I,

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24 ,<( (8,i/*8 a*+ .( 9a* a#/i+ 8/7( /) ,<a,$ T<a, .a8 */, ,<(

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22 :i#(* ,/ >(/>l( ,/ 8>(a0 i* 8/r, /) r(:lar )/r7(+ 8(*,(*9(8!

23 , I@7 */, 8::(8,i*: ,<( :/#(r*7(*, +/(8*@, <a#( a ri:<, ,/

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25 .( )i:r( /, </. .<(,<(r i,@8 :/i*: ,/ 9/*,i*( ,/ (a9<

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  6"4

  F10:l3 D(r-Y(:<iaa* - 9r/88

 1 (8,i/* (9a8( i, .ill ,a0( l/*:(r 8/ / 7i:<, .a*, ,/ >i90

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 5 R$ TURNER I +/*@, .a*, ,/ :/ +/.* ,<( 8a7( r/a+ .(

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12 Y/@ll 7a0( /r +(9i8i/* a*+ .<a, I 7(a*! r$ Dra,(l!

13 i* ,(r78 /) ,<( :/#(r*7(*, (i*: )r(( ,/ +/ .<a, i, .a*,8 ,/ +/

1" i8 /*l i*8/)ar a8 a*/+ 9a* /(9, .<(* / )/l08 (li(#(

15 ,<a, / *((+ ,/ +/ 8/ ,/ >r(8(r#( ,<( r(9/r+! a*+ ,<a,@8 a*

16 i7>/r,a*, ,<i*: )/r / )/l08 ,/ +/$ E#(r/+ *((+8 ,/ +/ i,

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24 ,<( ar( )/r ,<( +()(*8($

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22 244$

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  6"1

  F10:l3 Trial

 1 AFTERNOON SESSION

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 6 )/l08 </. ,/ +(al .i,< ,<( 8,r90 ,(8,i7/*$

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11 ,<( 9a* <a#( ,./ .((08 >ai+ )/r r 8(r#i9( a*+ ,<(* a),(r

12 ,<a, i, <a8 ,/ 9/7( /, /) <(r #a9a,i/*$ A*+ ,<a, 7a /r 7a

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24 ,<( C/r, .ill +i8988 ,<a, .i,< 9/*8(l! </. >(/>l( >r/>/8( .(

21 8</l+ >r/9((+ a*+ .<(,<(r /r */,! i) 8<( i8 #(r 9/*9(r*(+!

22 .<(,<(r /r */, /* ,<a, a8i8 .( +/ a*,<i*: a/, ,<a,!

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  6"2

  F10:l3 Trial

 1 I <a#( r(9(i#(+ )r/7 ,<( :/#(r*7(*, a* (7ail ,<a, .a8

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11 R$ DRATEL Wi,< ,<( (x9(>,i/* /) /*( (8,i/* ,<a,

12 I@ll a80 ,<( C/r,! .<i9< i8 .<(,<(r I@7 :/i*: ,/ :/ a, all

13 i*,/ ,<( 8(9/*+ >(r8/*! I@7 */, 8r( .<(,<(r I@7 all/.(+ ,/ :/

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16 THE COURT T<( 7ai* i88( ,<a, .( <a+ +(al, .i,< .a8

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1 THE COURT I) ,<(r( ar( /,<(r a8>(9,8 /) i, ,<a, I@7

24 *a.ar( /)! .( 9a* ,a0( i, 8,(> 8,(> a*+ 8(($

21 R$ DRATEL S/! (,.((* a* </r! a* </r a*+-a-<al) I

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23 THE COURT S/ >r/al ,<(*! i,@8 li0(l ,/ ( a ,i7(

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25 I ,<i*0 I *+(r8,a*+ 8, .i,< ,<( ./r+ .ai#(r >/88il ,<(

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  6"3

  F10:l3 Trial

 1 9/*,/r /) .<a, /@r( :(,,i*: a,! , I@+ li0( ,/ :i#( / a

 2 9<a*9( ,/ 8,a,( i, )/r ,<( r(9/r+$ W( 9a* +/ i, a, ,<( r(a0

 3 i) /@+ ra,<(r */, +/ i, ri:<, */.$

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 6 /(9,! a*+ / 9a*@, >, ,<a, :(*i( a90 ,<i8 ,<( /,,l( i*

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 % r(8>(9,8 (#(* *+(r ,<( C/r,@8 rli*:$ A*+ ,<( ,<ir+ ./l+ (

  ,<a,! / 0*/.! i, 9<a*:(8 ,<( .</l( *a,r( /) </. a*

14 (xa7i*a,i/* >r/9((+8 a*+ ,<a,@8 /*( /) ,<( r(a8/*8 .< / <a#(

11 ,/ /(9, 9/*,(7>/ra*(/8l (9a8( ,<(* / 9a*@, :/ a90 a*+

12 r(9/*8,r9, i, i* a 7a**(r ,<a, ,<(* *+/(8 ,<i*:8 ,<a, /

13 9/l+ <a#( 9<a*:(+$

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15 ,<( C/r, 8ai+ /* T<r8+a ,<a, i, .a8 /, ,<(r( alr(a+! 8/!

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1 THE COURT T<( )a9, ,<a, ar0 Kar>(l(8 (xi8,8 a8 a

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24 ,<( 9a8($ E#(* .i,< ,<( :/#(r*7(*,@8 8::(8,i/*8! ,<(r( i8

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22 >(r)(9,l a>>r/>ria,( i* ,<a, r(:ar+$

23 R$ DRATEL Y(8$ A*+ I ,<i*0 all a>>r/>ria,( i* ,<(

2" 9/*,(x, /) -- */, /*l i* ,<( 9/*,(x, /) al,(r*a,i#( 88>(9,!

25 , al8/ i* ,<( 9/*,(x, /) ,<( 9/*+9, /) ,<( i*#(8,i:a,i/*!

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  6""

  F10:l3 Trial

 1 (9a8( a, ,<( (*+ /) ,<( +a! .(@r( :/i*: ,/ <a#( a 9/7>ari8/*

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11 THE COURT I +/*@, .a*, ,/ r(ar:( ,<( (#i+(*9($

12 R$ DRATEL I 0*/.! I@7 8, 8ai*:! ,<( */,i/* ,<a,

13 */. ,<a, ,<(r(@8 */ .ai#(r .<(* ,<(8( ,<i*:8 9/7( i* a*+ i8

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15 9/*,(x, /) a ,rial i* ,<( 8(*8( /) .<a, i, 7(a*8 ,/ <a#( a

16 9/*,(7>/ra*(/8 /(9,i/* a*+ .<a, i, 7(a*8 */, ,/ <a#( a

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1% THE COURT r$ Tr*(r$

1 R$ TURNER Y/r H/*/r! ,<( ,rial <a8 :/*( )a8,$ Y/

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22 .<i9< a),(r )r,<(r r(#i(. i8 */. 9l(arl i*a+7i88il($

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25 +()(*8( <a8 )r,<(r i*ir ,<a,@8 a+7i88il( ,<a,@8 >r/>(r

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  6"5

  F10:l3 Trial

 1 a/, r$ Kar>(l(8! ,<( +()(*8( 9a* 8,ill >r8( ,<a,! 8/

 2 ,<(r(@8 */ >r(+i9( ,/ 8,ri0i*: ,<( >ri/r ,(8,i7/*$

 3 A*+ ,<( >r/l(7 .i,< l(a#i*: i, i* i8 ,<(r(@8 #(r

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 5 9ra,i#( a+7i88iili, +/9,ri*( a>>li(8 a*+ ,<( :/#(r*7(*, 9a*

 6 :(, (i#al(*, <(ar8a i* /* r(+ir(9,$ S/ ,<( :/#(r*7(*,

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14 ./l+ 9(r,ai*l ( a>>r/>ria,($ A*+ I ,<i*0 ,<a, .a8 .<a, /r

11 H/*/r .a*,(+ ,/ a#/i+ 8,ri0i*: ,<( ,(8,i7/* ,<a,@8

12 /(9,i/*al( ,<a, 9a7( i* /* T<r8+a$

13 THE COURT S/ <(r( i8 .<a, .(@r( :/i*: ,/ +/ --

1" R$ DRATEL 8, /*( /,<(r ,<i*:$

15 THE COURT Y(8$

16 R$ DRATEL T<( 0*(. )ll .(ll .<a, .a8 i* ,<( 3544$

1 T<( 9a**/, -- i, 9a**/, ( ,<a, ,<i8 .a8 */, /* ,<( ra+ar )/r

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22 /) 7 (8,i/*8 a*+ .<a, .a8 i* ,<( 9/*,(x, /) A:(*,

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2" THE COURT r$ Tr*(r$

25 R$ TURNER I ./l+ 8a *(#(r i* a 7illi/* (ar8

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  6"6

  F10:l3 Trial

 1 ./l+ I <a#( i7a:i*(+ ,<a, ,<( +()(*8( ./l+ ( ,ri*: ,/

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 5 ,<( :/#(r*7(*, I +/*@, ,<i*0 .a8 >, /* */,i9( ,<( />(*i*:

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14 W( ar( */. .<(r( .( ar($

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13 i* ,<( :/#(r*7(*,@8 (7ail ,/ ,<( C/r,! , */, ri:<, */.$ I

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  F10:l3 Trial

 1 <a#( i, ( >, /* ,/ ,<( 89r((* i* ,(r78 /) (xa9,l .<a,@8

 2 8,r90 )r/7 ,<( r(9/r+$ T<a, 8((78 ,/ i*+i9a,( ,a0i*: a.a a*+

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12 R$ DRATEL I +/*@, 0*/. ,<a, I@7 >r(>ar(+ ,/ +/ i,

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16 THE COURT I <a#( r(#i(.(+ ,<(7 a*+ I +/ (li(#( ,<a,

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24 R$ DRATEL Y(8$

21 THE COURT -- ,<a, ar( */, 8,r90 a*+ a>>r/>ria,(l

22 8/! a*+ ,<a, ./l+ r(7ai* i* ,(r78 /) ,G/x a*+ ar0 Kar>(l(8$

23 I 7(a*! <(@8 */, (li7i*a,(+ )r/7 ,<( r(9/r+$ A*+ /@ll

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23 R$ DRATEL B, i, +/(8 (9a8( i,@8 a* a+7i88i/*

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