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Waking up simultaneouslyby Mike Clelland

November 2011___________________________________________

Ten years ago I had an experience that was tremendously bizarre. This essay is a a

personal examination of a memory and its implications. This was hard to write,

but in a way I found it very cathartic.

The events are re-told as best as Im able. I am hesitant to share these memoriesbecause of the extremely personal nature of the experience. All I can say is this

experience seems truly mysterious, and my hope is that itll serve as a testament

that others might find helpful in trying to make sense of their own memories.

Heres the story, as best as I can recall.

It was late at night during the winter of 2001, probably late January or early

February. Kelly and I had just recently started dating, and she was pretty much

living with me in my small cabin in rural Idaho (Kelly is a pseudonym to protect

her privacy). I had just come home from a winter camping course, I teach

backcountry ski trips in the Northern Rockies, and this was the very first nightback in my bed after spending ten days in the mountains, each night in a sleeping

bag.

I was tired and fatigued after all that time camping in cold weather, but I was

excited to see Kelly again. We went to bed together, and snuggled under the big

down comforter in my drafty cabin. My bed was just a mattress on the floor up in a

loft with a low ceiling.

Sometime during the middle of the night, we both woke up with a weird abruptsort of jolt. We were suddenly wide awake and were actively engaged in the act of

sex. This wasnt just a sleepy snugly kind of sex, we were really going at it. It wasquite strange for me, but I think it was even more jarring for Kelly.

We both blurted out, What just happened?


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I remember my immediate reaction, it was just a flash in my mind: Theyre here.At the time, I really dont think I even knew what that might mean, but that was

very clearly the though.

The covers were off of us and it was dark in the room. This was odd because wewould never make love in total darkness, we would always have a light on in the

room. And it was mid-winter in my drafty cabin, sleeping (or waking up) with the

covers off would have been unusual because the house could get quite cold, and we

were both naked.

I dont remember how it ended, I feel like I must have turned the light on at some

point, and I think we finished what we were doing. At the time we were both

concerned about pregnancy, and we were always careful, so I can only assume we

were careful that night too.

Here is one more detail that just seems so haunting that it feels awkward toarticulate. Before we both woke up, I had a foggy point-of-view memory of rolling

over towards Kelly, and getting right on top of her. Its vague and dreamlike, but at

the same time feels awkward and decidedly UN-romantic. The room was

completely dark, but I still have a foggy visual of rolling toward her, and the

memory is decidedly distorted.

There is a distinct other-worldly impression surrounding this short fragment of a

memory, and its important to me that I try to describe the feeling. This eerie

sensation is hard to explain in words, but it was palpable and real. This was nodream, it felt distinctly different. It was weirdly quiet, sort of a pressurized head-in-

the-fishbowl feeling, the deepest part of my psyche felt displaced, and moved tothe forefront, the normal thought chatter in my head was turned off. This memory

is unmistakably vivid, there was a palpable warping in a way that seems entirely

different form a normal state of mind.

This strange dream-like quality matches the sensations I felt in two other events.

The first was in 1993, when I saw five skinny gray aliens out my window at night( http://hiddenexperience.blogspot.com/2009/03/looking-out-my-window-at-

night.html ).

The second was during the summer of 2008, I had precisely the same feeling

within the context of a funny dream involving a UFO ( http://

hiddenexperience.blogspot.com/2009/11/funny-dream.html ).
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I dont remember anything that Kelly and I might have said the next morning after

the event in the winter of 2001. At one point, perhaps a month after the event,

Kelly said: "Wasn't that weird, that thing that happened when we both woke up?"

As I recall, I didnt respond in any meaningful way, and nothing more was said.

Except for that brief exchange, Kelly and I nevertalked about this event again.That changed when I talked to her on the phone five years later.

I called her in October of 2007 to ask about that night, and the events leading up to

that phone call are interesting. At the time I was visiting New York, I was staying

with my old college friend Peter and his wife Anne. I was in The City to see Budd

Hopkins as part of a documentary project. It was my hope that he could help me

make sense of some odd life memories. Peter knew of my UFO experiences and

Ive been totally open with him, sharing all my memories no matter how bizarre.

Early in my trip I had spent several hours with Budd at his home in Manhattan. I

was deeply impressed, and I liked him enormously. He listened to my memories

and asked me questions. He seemed genuinely interested in my experiences. All of

these conversations were video taped.

During this same trip to the east coast I spent time with Dr. David Jacobs, a UFO

abduction researcher and history professor living in Philadelphia. During our

interview, he sort of offhandedly said, If you want to know if someone has had a

UFO abduction event in their life, all you need to do is ask, Whats the strangestthing thats ever happened to you? and with just that one question, youll know iftheyve ever been abducted.

That seemed as good a way as any to try and get some insights into the

phenomenon. I thought to myself, what if I asked Kelly that same question,

Whats the strangest thing thats ever happened to you, and I instantly knew what

her answer would be.

I had this funny flash, and I remembered the strange experience about waking uptogether with Kelly, I hadnt really thought about it since the event itself in 2001. I

told Peter the details of that night and the waking up to sex in bed with Kelly.

Right then, we were both struck by the utter strangeness of that story. Somehow,until this conversation, I had managed to just sort of dismiss it and its very weird

implications. It struck me as odd that I could so completely ignore the memory of

this event.


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I dont remember exactly what I said to Peter, but when I articulated the part where

we both woke up, it went like this, Well, we were doing something that you can

only get into CONSCIOUSLY, but we got there UNCONSCIOUSLY, and to

suddenly be thrust into consciousness was really weird and jarring.

Peter was understandably mystified, and so was I.

Right then, Peter had to leave the house and pick up his lovely 5 year old daughter

form preschool and I was suddenly alone in the apartment. I made good use of my

time and immediately called Kelly on my cell phone and left her a message. We

had broken up a few years before, but remained good friends. Within a few

minutes she had called back.

I got right into it and asked her about that night, did she remember it? She himmedand hawed, and said that it was a long time ago, and that she couldnt reallyremember much. She sounded a little bit annoyed, and it was quite obvious she did

NOT want to talk about it. I neededto hear her side of it and urged her to tell mewhat she remembered. Eventually she cautiously said that we woke up at the same

time and it was startling.

I asked her to define what she meant by startling.

She got sort of defensive and snapped at me that it was just a word, I could hear

some very real anger in her voice, but kept pressing her. I had a pen in my handready to write down her reply.

Finally, she said: Well, we were doing something that you can only get into

CONSCIOUSLY, but we got there UNCONSCIOUSLY, and to suddenly be thrust

into consciousness was really weird and jarring.

It felt like she was repeating MY memory - word for word.

When she said those words, I felt completely freaked out. This wasEXACTLYhowit felt to me too. She articulated my experience so clearly that it added a grave sort

of confirmation to everything surrounding my experiences. It was a hard slap in the

face.


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While writing this essay, I used the exact same words for each of our statements,

but I really dont know if that was how it actually played out. All I can say is that

what we both said was close enough that it scared me.

The next morning I rode the subway into Manhattan to meet with Budd. When Igot into his living room, I immediately sat him down on the couch and unloaded

the weird story. I told him I called her the afternoon before, and shared that she

remembered the experience exactly as I had, maybe too exactly.

He listened patiently, and at the end I asked, Have you ever heard of anything like

this in your work?

He replied without words. I watched his expression, he rolled his eyes and gave me

this almost comical look of exasperation. He had obviously heard it before, plenty

of times.

He went on to tell me about working with a married couple with abduction

experiences. He said that they had a lot of text book stories and were eager for any

kind of answers. At one point, at the end of a long session, the wife added, as an

aside to her husband, Do you remember that night we both woke up in the act of

sex? Wasnt that weird?

Budd went on to imply that he had heard the same story a few more times with

different couples. My heart sank, and right then I could no longer deny the reality

of my experiences.

Later that same morning we did a hypnosis session, though Im not sure if I wastruly under or not. We tried to look into several events but not much was coming

out. I was very relaxed and spoke incredibly slow, but there want really any new

information beyond what I had remembered consciously. I was calm enough that I

didnt add any of my own nervous doubts while answering his questions about a

series of odd life experiences.

Near the end of the hypnosis session, he asked about these memories of waking upwith Kelly. I said that at the moment we woke up I felt like we were being

watched, like this was somehow orchestrated. It was a vague but palpable

sensation. This was something I remembered consciously but was too embarrassedto actually articulate.


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As I reflect on that last statement, it does describe the impression I got. But it just

seems too intense to really trust. I also feel that hypnosis is limiting, and I want to

be careful how much I trust from these fleeting recollections.

I will say that the feeling of being watched was palpable, and I remembered thisbefore any hypnosis. My little loft is claustrophobic and dark, and I remember

trying to look around. Ill also add that a gut feeling emerged, Its them.

Below is a transcript taken directly from the hypnosis session with Budd. We turn

to the event with Kelly when Budd asks me if there is anything else we should look

into while I was still in a relaxed state.

Budd: Anything that pops up I want you to tell me.

Mike: I - Uhhhm - I talked about the incident with Kelly, in my bed in Idaho.

Budd: Yes.

Mike: And - and - It was very dark in the room, and I get the impression, that I am

moving towards her before the event begins.

Budd: When you say moving towards her, do you mean standing, or sitting.

Mike: No, I'm in the bed with her - it's very - uhhhm, awkward - and I recognize

that she's more surprised than I am - when she comes to. And at the time, Iremember having the impression that someone was watching - and - the way my

loft is set up - the way my house is set up, my impression is that someone is - issomeone is watching through the roof, like they weren't necessarily in the room.

Budd: Yes - through the roof, there's no sky light or anything, is that right?

Mike: Yes, that's correct.

Budd: Okay.

Mike: And there was a very palpable feeling that someone was watching

Budd: Now how did that make you feel? Did that bother you, or was thatembarrassing, or did it add a sort of eroticism to it? What did that do to theexperience?


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Mike: Well, it certainly wasn't erotic.

Budd: No, It was not erotic, okay. Was it embarrassing?

Mike: No, it was more - weird. It felt like it was intense emotional love between

Kelly and I, but at the same time there was, oh, a very quick need to reject those

thoughts that someone was watching.

Budd: To reject that idea?

Mike: Yeah, avoid it - deny it.

Budd: Now this is again, fantasizing a bit, inventing, but I'm going to ask you a

question, and answer just very quickly - just off the top of your head, how wouldyou describe whoever was watching.

Mike: uhhhmmm

Budd: Your intuitive feeling.

Mike: My intuitive feeling it that it was little gray aliens - but - I don't have

anything to back that up with.

Budd: Yes, but that was just your feeling.

Mike: And uhhhm - and also very ghost-like.

Budd: Now this is a rather personal question - and you don't have to answer this,but do you feel that either of you climaxed in this experience or not?

Mike: Uhhhmmm - I can't remember that - and I think that - were so preoccupied

with not getting pregnant that I think we would have been careful - but I can't

answer that.

Budd: Well obviously - if there had been a climax there probably would have been[unintelligible at the 12:34 time count] shall we say afterword. do you remember

saying anything like that.

Mike: I don't remember.


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Budd: So when you came into your conscious state simultaneously, you weresurprised at the time, is that correct?

Mike: It seemed very odd, it seemed like I eased out of my - from my - into myconsciousness. And Kelly snapped into consciousness.

Budd: Do you think that from observing her that she was going thru the samething?

Mike: The same surprise?

Budd: Yeah, the same surprise.

Mike: She snapped into consciousness quicker.

Budd: You said she referred to it as "startling" is that right?

Mike: Yeah

Budd: Anything else about this?

Mike: Uhhhm No.

Budd: Okay

Shortly after this Budd lead me out of the hypnotic state. We sat and spoke for awhile, and Budd tried to explain what he tried to do during the session. He was

very supportive and kind in a way that meant a lot to me.

Later I told Budd how extremely distressing it was for me to hear Kelly re-tell my

memories so clearly. Her recollections matched so exactly that I just knew it wasnt

just me, that I wasnt lying to myself. It really freaked me out, in a way that just

seemed to change me.

Budd listened and said what I was feeling was referred to as confirmation anxiety.It is a term used by him and other researchers when an odd event gets confirmed

by someone else, and the person can no longer simply deny the experience in his

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Ive heard of similar experiences from an abductee I met at the Laughlin UFO

conference. She is rather well known, but theres no need to share her name here. I

spoke about this experience during a closed door support meeting for experiencers.

I talked about my distress surrounding this memory. Later, this woman took me

aside and told me an experience of her own.

She said that years ago she and her boy friend were off alone together in a forest.

They were lying in the grass, and things started to get amorous. Then, suddenly

they both fell asleep, rather instantaneously. She said that it was very strange, and

looking back she suspects it might have been an abduction event.

Her story doesnt quite match mine but is worth noting.

I also shared the story with David Jacobs in a phone call. I asked him if he had ever

heard anything like this in his research. Hs response was cautious in a way that wassort of funny. He said he didnt want to say anything that might be leading, and Itold him Ive read a LOT about the phenomenon, so I was pretty well contaminated

with information. With that, he reluctantly said he had never heard exactly the

story I had just told him, but had heard many stories VERY similar in a way that

could be interpreted as closely matching my experience.

I also shared this story with UFO abduction researcher Joe Montaldo during a

personal phone call. He listened patiently, and at the end I asked him if he had ever

heard anything that might match this kind of experience.

He replied casually, Only about a thousand times.

In the fall of 2008 I met David Biedny at a conference in New Jersey, at the time

he was one of the hosts of the on-line radio show titled THE PARACAST. I was

impressed to meet him because of the level-headed approach to the paranormal

topics that were featured on his show. I shared some of my stories, including the

experience of waking up simultaneously with Kelly. He seemed as perplexed about

the memory as I was. He asked if I would be open to being a guest on the show. At

first I didnt think it was a good idea, but he gently persuaded me and eventually Isaid yes.

This came at a really volatile time in my life. It was in 2007 that I truly beganlooking into my own set of odd life experiences, before that time I had simply

ignored them and any of their implications. During these initial years of

exploration I was trying to make sense of a frantic tidal wave of emotions. I was


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obsessive and anxious. At the same time, I was weirdly gushing about my

memories. I feel more secure now, but I was a mess back then.

I was on the PARACAST twice, first in November of 2008, and again in March of

2009, and this was at the heart of that needy chapter of my life. During my secondappearance I shared the story about waking up with Kelly, and talked about the

follow up phone conversation and my hypnosis with Budd. It was a little awkward,

but I tried to speak as plainly as I could. At the end of this show, David thanked me

and said it was one of the most enjoyable shows he had ever recorded.

After that show, the on-line forums relating to that show were flooded with people

responding. Some were quite supportive, but there was a really negative set of

comments too. I was called an ego-maniac, a lier, an attention seeker, a fraud, a

name-dropper, delusional and on and on and on. These critical comments were

focused on the story about waking up with Kelly. The venom that this storyunleashed was shocking.

People were declaring that there was a recognized sleep disorder, similar to sleep

walking, where people will act out highly sexualize behavior while asleep. And

sometimes an individual will wake up during the act of sex. They werent taking

into account the fact that both Kelly and I both woke up precisely at the samemoment.

Being on the receiving end of such caustic criticism really made my heart sink. It

felt like a lesson, like I had stepped in to an arena of sorts, and that there wereplenty of people out there eager to insult and judge. So, after all that, I am

understandably a little bit gun-shy to share this story again.

All that said, I didnt know about the sleep disorder referred to as Sleep-Sex or

Sexsomnia. This is a behavior where one partner will initiate sex while totallyasleep. Its a not-so subtle variation on sleep walking. I did a little bit of research

on the subject and I have found NO cases of BOTH partners waking up

simultaneously.

During my on-line searching I found the name of a doctor who was doing research

into this subject. I sent him an email asking about my experience. His reply was

that my experience was: decidedly unusual.


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My letter and his response are posted below.

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Subject: SFA Contact Form Inquiry

From: Mike ClellandTo:Michel A. Cramer Bornemann, MD

Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 1:51 PM

Question:

Hello.

I have a "sleep-sex" question. I have experienced this only once, and

it was quite jarring.

I was living with my girlfriend at the time, and late at night, we BOTH wokeup, instantaneously in the act of sex.

It was not one of us waking the other, we were BOTH actively engaged in the

act, and we BOTH woke up at the very same instant.

We each blurted out: "What just happened?"

My QUESTION:

Has this scenario ever come up in your research?

Please - a reply would be helpful, we are both extremely curious.

Thank you,

Mike Clelland


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I got a reply the next day:

29 Mar. 2009

Dear Mr. Clelland,

Thank you for your interest in SFA. It is clear that unusual and at times bizarre

behaviors that arise from sleep are more common in adults than previously

thought. This would include sexualized behaviors that arise from sleep... now

commonly referred to as "Sexsomnia" (Please refer to our publication on

Sexsomnia authored by Schenck, Arnulf, et al.- you can pull up this reference on

Google Academics). However, for bed-partners to engage in the same sleep-

related behavior at the same time would be decidedly unusual.

Best Regards,

Michel A. Cramer Bornemann, MD, D-ABSM, FAASM

Co-Director

Minnesota Regional Sleep Disorders CenterLead Investigator

Sleep Forensics Associates (SFA)www.sleepforensics.org

Hennepin County Medical Center (G8)701 Park Avenue South

Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415 USA

Assistant Professor

Department of Neurology & Department of Medicine

University of Minnesota School of Medicine

Faculty Instructor

Department of Biomedical EngineeringBakken/MIND LaboratoryUniversity of Minnesota Graduate SchoolMinneapolis, Minnesota

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http://www.sleepforensics.org/http://www.sleepforensics.org/


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A note to the reader, I purposely made this document longer and more detailed than

it might have needed to be. I did this on purpose for two reasons. One, I wanted it

to include all the relevant details in the hopes that it might help anyone else who

might have experienced the same thing.

And two, I wanted it to be off-putting to anyone who would want to mock or insult

what happened to me. I am just assuming that anyone who would want to be

purposefully offensive will probably have a short attention span and wont bother

to real anything so long-winded.

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