Intro: This is the Work-At-Home Heroes podcast. Your host, Caitlin Pyle, digs deep with people from all over the world who make money from home. Get ready to wake up to a world of possibility for freedom, flexibility, and a life you’ll love.

Caitlin Pyle: Well, hey, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the

Work-At-Home Heroes podcast. I’m your host, Caitlin Pyle, and I’m here today with Anung Vilay. She owns Courageous Creativity, a place for introverts and homebodies just like me to grow and have more adventures. She has fun, quirky apparel, the podcast, The Introvert’s Bubble, super excited to talk to you about being an introvert, and she also has digital downloads to help with introverts and homebodies like me. So welcome to the show, Anung.

Anung Vilay: Hey, thank you for having me. Caitlin Pyle: Where are you joining us from today? Anung Vilay: Twin Cities, Minnesota. I like saying that because I’ve moved so

much that I’ve been in almost every city in the Twin Cities pretty much.

Caitlin Pyle: Nice. So, wait, hold on. There’s Twin Cities, so doesn’t that mean

there’s two, right? Anung Vilay: So Twin Cities means Minneapolis/St. Paul, but when you talk

about that, it’s the surrounding area as well, so it could be Bloomington, Richfield, Rosedale, Southtown, all those areas right there, so it’s a big area that’s – the actual city is in the surrounding suburbs.

Caitlin Pyle: Nice, okay. I had no idea. What you don’t know, man. It’s crazy.

So, Anung, tell us about yourself. What do you do? What is Courageous Creativity?

Anung Vilay: Well, it started off as a blog more for myself to kind of get myself

out there. I wanted to build it to have my own business with it, but I just kind of wanted to slowly find what it was, so I kind of made it about introverts because that’s what I am, and I kind of – I felt like at that point it was holding me back. And as one of the things that I did, I had a friend who wanted to try some aerial classes but too scared to try because she was so worried about

looking stupid, so she asked me to do it instead. And so I decided to do it and fell in love.

Caitlin Pyle: So what is – for people who are listening and they don’t know,

what do you mean when you say aerial class? What is that? Anung Vilay: Aerial is like those giant silks. You see people going in the air and

doing tricks and stuff. Caitlin Pyle: Yeah. Anung Vilay: So I do some of those things. At first I started to do what they call

a hammock, so it’s just one giant silk that’s put into a hammock thing for you to do moves and things. And when you first start out, you’re barely two feet off the ground for safety.

Caitlin Pyle: Very, very cool, and so you fell in love with that, and as you were

falling in love with that, you realized you wanted to wear better clothes for it. Is that what happened?

Anung Vilay: Yeah, because at that time – it’s part of circus. Everyone wears

very bright and almost obnoxious colors and patterns, and it’s really hard for women like me who are a bit more curvier to actually have stuff like that. So all I had was black, gray, and blue, so I decided to design my own and start wearing them there, and then people wanted the same designs I had, so I started selling them on my site. And that’s how my apparel line kind of got started. I keep making stuff that all the circus people like to wear.

Caitlin Pyle: Awesome, and tell me about how your podcast, The Introvert’s

Bubble – how did that come to life? Anung Vilay: Well, it started off with a different name, which got stolen in

trademark land underneath me, but I got a little tired with writing. I am not a great writer. I’ve learned that after years of trying, and I had a couple friends who started it, and I had been listening to them a little more over the last summer. I’m like, yeah, I’ll just try. I can talk to myself. I do it all the time, and that’s kind of how I got started on it. It was just kind of an extension of my blog to give people more ways to hear from me, learn new things. I do have show notes, so people can read it if they don’t want to hear – listen to a podcast, but they have the option for the podcast.

Caitlin Pyle: I love that, and yeah, that’s why we always record – well, we record our podcast, but then we also have every episode transcribed because, ironically, I’m one of those people who doesn’t really listen to podcasts. I’d much rather read anything, read something, and so – but I listen to my audience because so many people listen to podcasts, and I didn’t get it. I was like, What is the deal with podcasts? Why do you want me to do a podcast? I didn’t even listen to podcasts, so I didn’t understand, but when people are asking for something, and it’s just like with your leggings. People wanted to buy the leggings you created, and so that’s how you started your apparel line.

You’ve got to give the people what they want, and a lot of times if you don’t know what they want, you’ve just got to go ask them, right? And so if they don’t come up to you and say, Hey, Anung, I want those things, then you can always go and ask them, Hey, what is it that you guys want from me—whether it’s on your blog, your podcast. And so what’s that like for you as a podcaster and an introvert? Your inner introvert is just mad at you every time you put something out into the world? Is that how it works?

Anung Vilay: Yeah, usually – I actually – I put headphones on, so I can’t quite

hear myself when I’m talking or especially my dog is there, so I look like I’m talking to him, and he stares at me the whole time, kind of like I don’t understand a word you’re saying. It helps. And so I partially can’t hear myself talking. I don’t do much editing at all, so I don’t have to rehear it, and then I send out my show notes to someone else to do it, so it’s kind of like I have no idea what I sound like out there until someone tells me like, Hey, your editing for the intro to your main part needs to be a little smoother. I’m like, Okay, I’ll fix that. I’m not listening to it. Someone needs to tell me.

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah, exactly. Once I’m done recording my episodes, that’s it for

me, and other people on my team, the magical people, magical beings and creatures that they are, they make it into an actual episode that people listen to, and it’s always mind-blowing when people are like, Oh my gosh, I love this episode. Because I remember recording, and I don’t remember how many times I said um and lost my train of thought, and the producer and our team makes it actually into a podcast. I’m like, I’m glad I have you guys because I wouldn’t be doing that. Tell me about – you also created a planner, so tell me how that came to life.

Anung Vilay: It was more – again, I needed to do something for myself because I have – not only did I start this business with my apparel line, I have twelve or fourteen side hustles that I do sometimes year round, sometimes just seasonal. So I work at the Renaissance Festival in my area, which is mid August to end of September, and so I needed a better calendar, a better system to, one, help me figure out what all my big plans in my life were. So in there, it has what are your ten-year goals? And here they are, how to break them down into five-year, two-year, one-year, monthly goals kind of thing but also kind of give you plenty of space for I am volunteering for this over here. So I have to make sure I have this time off, or I’m going to go to this meetup here, or I want to do a pop-up shop on this day.

So it’s kind of – I needed something central that stays with me for the most part to keep everything together because whatever I have on my phone is just a normal calendar, which is helpful, but it’s not enough sometimes when I’m not working at home or if I’m out and about doing other things. It’s kind of like I really need this. And then I showed it to someone else because I like having a lot of color, so I had twelve pens, and I was kind of like, I’m going to write this in pink, and this one is going to be in blue, and I’m going to circle this in orange.

Caitlin Pyle: I love that, and I’m a paper planner user myself, and it’s really the

same thing. It’s like you have the flexibility to write in all your appointments, but then you’ve also got space to kind of doodle if you want, make yourself a little to-do list. Sometimes I actually put a sticky note inside the planner with an extra to-do list or something that I don’t want to forget, and it’s just so much better. But I’ve also thought about creating my own planner as well, but I can’t stick to a certain plan, and so I’m just like, Well, I’ll just make what I have work. So I love that.

So twice in the last ten minutes we’ve been talking, you said that you wanted something for yourself, and you realized other people wanted it, too. I think that’s great because there’s so many people that are like, Oh, nobody wants this. I was the same way when I started Proofread Anywhere. I was like, Nobody is going to want to learn this. Nobody is going to want to buy what I have to sell. And so, so much of that self-doubt kept me from putting it out into the world, but you did the exact opposite. You were like, Well, if I want this, then there’s got to be other people out here who want that.

And when – something that I’ve realized in the last year or so has been, hey, if you’ve got something good, then it’s kind of your moral obligation as a human being to share with other humans to make the world a better place. And I love the fact that you’ve been doing that, and I’m just so curious about how you got into all this. Before – because you’ve been working at home for about how long now?

Anung Vilay: I started July of this year, well, technically last year since it’s 2018

now. Caitlin Pyle: Yeah, I can’t believe it, right? So how did you get into this? Was

there a moment in your life where you were just, That’s it; no more; I’m going to work for myself; I’m going to make this happen? Or did you just kind of evolve into it? I know for me, I kind of got forced out on my butt when I got fired, and it just kind of slowly evolved into what I’m doing now over time. But for a lot of people, there’s a moment where you’re like, I’m done. There’s just this really pivotal a-ha moment where you’re like, I’m going to work at home, and then you never look back. What was that for you?

Anung Vilay: It was a very slow especially burn for me because at the end of

college I was realizing I wasn’t going to go towards my graduate degree, so I started exploring. I went to bookstores, libraries all the time and looked up work-from-home things, freelance jobs, and stuff like that. So while I was exploring that, I was working just part time in jobs just to make sure I could pay my bills because once you get out of college, they all come at you at once.

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah. Anung Vilay: And it took a while. I tried writing, which I still do on and off as

one of my other side hustles. I tried freelancing with a virtual assistant, transcription. I just – I tried stuff out, and it took a good four years or so before I started getting kind of – I really want an online business. I want to have things that are – I was starting to figure out my niche. It was hard for me to find it because I was kind of like – but I never really belonged to anything myself. I had very specific groups of friends, but I never quite fit in with all of them, so I couldn’t quite see myself into it.

But when we finally bought our house, I moved too far away from my job at that point to really commute there and especially for only working seventeen hours a week. It wasn’t quite worth it. And I made sure I did enough savings, and me and my husband were talking about it. He knew about this with me for years and that this was my ultimate plan, and that point, we were kind of like, you know what – we were both kind of like, we’re going to try it. I’m going to go for it. We’ll see how it goes and just kind of been taking little leaps and bounds each time where my podcasts – I’m started getting actual sponsors. I’m getting actual donations from people. My apparel is sold in a couple of boutique gyms now so kind of just little things. I’m kind of like, Where are all coming from?

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah, you just kind of keep evolving, and your business evolves

along with you and as you create things that you need and you get it out in the world, it just kind of grows, and that’s like the snowball effect, right?

Anung Vilay: Yeah. Everything kind of came into little epiphanies, or they were

kind of like small bams on me, but it wasn’t like a big oh my God, like my life is ruined kind of thing. It was just kind of like, Oh, this is really good. I should go this way, but my brain needs to process it. I need to journal through, and I need to think about it.

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah, I think that’s normal, planning and researching, but it seems

like you really do trust your instincts. Is that correct? Anung Vilay: Yes, I have been very big on that for most of my life, and so it was

kind of hard for my parents because I never went the way that everyone else did. I was the black sheep, which I’m personally fine with that I get to work from home. I can sleep in if I want, like oh darn. I get to go grocery shopping when no one’s around.

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah, that’s the best part. I think that a lot of us say that we want

to make money. That’s why we want to work at home. We want to make money, whatever, but the reality is we want to work at home because we want that kind of flexibility. We want to be able to go to the grocery store when nobody’s there. We want to be able to take a nap in the middle of the day. We want to be able to schedule our appointments with that kind of freedom, and that’s what it’s really all about. We don’t really care about having a bunch of green dollar bills with pictures of dead people on them. Who cares about that?

Anung Vilay: I want enough to just be able to do what I want to do. I don’t

need to make a million dollars. At some point if I get to that point, I will be confused at how I got there, but I wouldn’t like it. I’m like – I’m perfectly fine where I am. I want to grow a little bit more so we can take more vacations.

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah, I love it. And it sounds to me that your business is evolving

in a way that I would not be surprised at all if one day you got a million-dollar business. It’s really, really exciting because you just keep following and that following your instincts. When something hits you – in your application, you said you go full force toward that, and I love that because so many people look, and they spend so much time in the research vortex is what I like to call it. And so they are trying to validate their idea instead of just going with it. You had evidence. You in particular had evidence that people wanted what you had, and so you just kind of went with it, and it worked.

And so many people are like, Well, I need permission. You don’t need a permission slip to live your life. You don’t need a permission slip to start a business, and I think that as we get older, nobody really gives us permission to not ask for permission anymore because we’re conditioned as we go through school you have to have a permission slip for this. You have to ask for permission to go pee. You have to do this, and there’s never a point where it’s like, okay, you don’t have to do that anymore. So freshman year of college, people still raised their hand to ask for permission to go pee. No, just get up and go and come back. Be an adult. And there’s really never a video that we see. Nothing shows up on our phone when we turn eighteen or whatever that says, Guess what? You don’t have to ask permission to do the things that you want to do anymore even if it’s just fulfilling your basic human needs like going to the bathroom or whatever. We just don’t have that happen in our life. So, Anung, I’m really curious about what your life looked like before you started working at home. What was life like?

Anung Vilay: It kind of sucked. I was tired all the time. I was trying to figure out

what I was doing, and at the very beginning of my business, I was doing a lot of aerial training, but working retail hours sucks.

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah, I bet.

Anung Vilay: Holidays were really fun because I was usually working them. I had one job I had to get up at 3 a.m. to be somewhere, and I had to open the coffee shop at a hotel, and I had to be there for all these smoozy people that think they’re so important and need their coffee at frickin’ 4 a.m.

Caitlin Pyle: Oh my gosh, right? Make it yourself if you’re up that early. Anung Vilay: Yeah, and I was like, Oh, I have other retail jobs. I had to be there

at 5 a.m. to help restock, or I wouldn’t be leaving until 9, 10 p.m. because that’s when they closed and everything, so it’s kind of – it was hard to see family or friends. After a while, people stopped inviting me places because they just assumed I worked because they’re off, and I worked.

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah, well, that’s really cool. So people wouldn’t invite you to

things because they assumed that – I’ve been there. They’d be like, Oh, we didn’t even think to invite you because we thought you were working. So you’re a lot happier now. I know people are wondering; what kind of income are you generating each month with all these different side gigs?

Anung Vilay: Well, I average about $1,000 a month. I say January to March is

kind of my lean times, but I’ll have – August and September are huge because I get a lot of apparel for kids who want – for back to school, and then there is my Renaissance Festival, which I work every weekend there, and I make easily $6-$7,000 in September by itself.

Caitlin Pyle: Wow, that’s really cool, and I bet there’s never a dull moment,

right? You’ve got your hands in a lot of different things, and life is exciting.

Anung Vilay: Yeah, I’m trying to keep enough revenue streams going, ones that

are kind of passive. That’s my planner. I have a vacation workbook coming out soon, so I’m like – I’m putting things out there that people have been asking for that are just – you can find it when you’re ready. You don’t have to get it now. It’s there. If you wait until you get a vacation in spring break, get it then.

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah, that’s super smart. I love it. So I’m curious about – a lot of

people are listening to this podcast, and we like to talk about confidence because there’s so many people that are sitting, and they’re like, I want to do this but have no confidence, and they

kind of look at the lack of confidence as a reason not to start. So we like to ask our guests about what it was like when they were first getting started. What kind of mental or emotional challenges or obstacles did you face when you were getting started?

Anung Vilay: Honestly, I can say I have never been confident about it, and I still

am not. I have no idea what I’m doing. I have no one in my life who knows what I’m doing, so I’m kind of just like finding random things in books and Pinterest and articles. I’m slowly starting to get other groups that are other small business people and bloggers and stuff like that and getting information, but most of them are kind of the same level as me where we’re just starting out, just getting going. We’re all kind of like, I have to bookkeep? What is that? Oh my God. There’s an account for this?

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah, that’s cool, and so in your application, you mentioned that

you grew up with a gambler, and we want to talk about money mindset for a minute here. How did growing up with a gambler in your life affect the way that you think about money?

Anung Vilay: It was very negative because it was always that sense of we never

had enough to do anything. Of course, living with the one parent who was a gambler and finally moving on to the other one, it was still hard. Yeah, we were kind of poor but not like so much that we were worried about not paying our bills or not having food, but it was just never quite feeling like enough. There was always you could do more. We could do more. You could ask for less. So it was always kind of negative, and I had to get around that and actually believe in the abundance. I had to start doing affirmations. I had to really – I love to read. That’s kind of my vortex of getting lost in is I read too much sometimes, and I learned a lot. So I found a couple of really good books that really helped me figure out how to work – actually have to work the laws of attraction, the actual steps, not like the Laws of Attraction book. It was kind of like this is what you need to do, but it’s kind of like a vague idea.

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah, I totally dig it. I think that reading books is the fastest way

to kind of change your mental state, especially when – if we don’t read and we don’t talk to people, as introverts, that’s definitely a challenge. So sometimes I’m like, I don’t want to talk to people, but I need to change the way I’m thinking, and a book is the best way to do that. So I pick up a book about mindset or Jack Canfield’s The Success Principles and just read a little chapter. I’ve

recently committed to reading for ten minutes a day because for the longest time I’ve been saying, Oh, well, I used to read for a living, and so I just can’t read.

But there’s no reason that I can’t read for ten minutes a day and so – or write for ten minutes a day because I’ve been telling myself for my whole life that I can’t journal. I just don’t do that, and I’m like, I can do this. So challenging myself for ten minutes a day to read to change my mental state because yeah, I mean especially as it relates to money mindset, there is – I mean I grew up with a lot of the same things. Nobody in my family gambled aside from scratch-off tickets, but we had a family business, and they didn’t really know what they were doing, and so money was a constant struggle. My parents would fight about money a lot, and so I grew up thinking money is always going to be a scarce resource. And then I realized that I was choosing to believe that, and I realized – and that’s why I’m such a big proponent on, hey, this is what actually makes you money. It’s the problems that you solve for people, and if you learn how to solve problems, then you can make money. And you just realize how much control you actually have, and the more skills you have, the bigger your net is. And so you can just really coax more of that money your way. It’s just a completely abundant resource. It’s not the scarce resource that I grew up thinking that it was. So we talked about what your life looked like before you worked at home, and you were tired all the time. How would you say your life has improved since you started working at home?

Anung Vilay: Oh, honestly, I love it. I love being able to make my schedule up as

I go. If I feel like I want to do an extra training session, I can stay an extra hour. If I want to just head into the office right away in the morning and knock off a couple things on my to-do list, I’m just going to go do it.

Caitlin Pyle: I love it. Anung Vilay: And my thing – I like doing things early. In my mindset from the

years of doing dance, early is on time; on time is late. So I get things that are – like I want my podcast episodes recorded months in advance. I want my ideas for Halloween apparel – I want it done now. I want it done in spring or in summer, and I

want it figured out so I don’t have to worry about it then. It will just be automated in the future.

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah. Anung Vilay: But I love being able to – I don’t really watch the news. I don’t

really care for all the gossipy things. I have my local news I watch in the morning, but beforehand I’ll walk the dog. I’ll get the emails and social media stuff out of the way. I answer a couple questions here and there, do a little bit of scheduling. That right there makes it look like I do so much more stuff in life because I schedule my things, like oh, you’re on Instagram four days a week, and I’m like, No, I’m not. These are pictures from a year ago or two years ago, or I just took twenty of them in one day, and I am just spreading them out over two months.

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah, I love it, and I just think that when you have that kind of

flexibility, then you just enjoy your day more. You’re not wishing for the weekend, and I always call it – when we work regular jobs or just jobs that we don’t like because some people really like having a regular job, and they’re listening to this because it’s entertaining, but they love their job, and they can never imagine having an environment where they don’t have coworkers and stuff like that. But when we get to a point where we enjoy what we do everyday, then we don’t have to wish our lives away literally.

And that hit home for me when I did have a regular job. I’m like, Oh, it’s Monday. And I would almost cry on my way to work because I hated it so much, and then I realized, oh my gosh – and I didn’t know what I know now then. I wish I did. I could just go back and whisper in my own ear and say, hey, life doesn’t have to be like this. You don’t have to let somebody else dictate when you have to be indoors the best hours of your day. I just didn’t know what kind of freedom I had. It’s just so crazy how much energy you have to do more things in your life when you actually like what you do. My next question, I’m just – I always ask this question. I can’t skip it. I’m just like, I don’t care. We’re running out of time, but I want to make sure that we ask this because so many people come up against it. When you were starting your work-at-home journey, did you have people in your sphere of influence—friends, family, whatnot—that had negative things to say about what you were doing?

Anung Vilay: A good chunk of my family kind of did more like because they were in the fear because their mindset was like you have to work at a job. You’re allowed to move from job to job, and do your part, but you’re supposed to do it until the day you die kind of thing. You can push in the vacations that you can, but most everyone else in my life was like, Oh okay, moving on. They just didn’t want to hear it because it was foreign to them. It took a year for my dad to finally stop trying to get me to interview with other people because he knows a lot of people in his community, and he was like, Oh, this person has this thing, and oh, you should go talk to her. He actually set up things for me, and I’m kind of like, Dude, I am almost – at that point, I was like, I’m almost 30. Can you not do this?

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah, and I think thinking about their perspective, and I came up

against a lot of that, too, when my husband and I were kind of starting our business initially, and his parents – and I use him as an example, and they’re totally on board now, and they’re super proud of us. They love to brag us, but in the beginning it was difficult for them because they worked for the same company for forty years, both of them, and retired and had great pensions and benefits, and had saved a ton of money and had grown independently wealthy because of the way they were frugal. And I was like, uh, yeah, I don’t want to do that.

And they – but that’s all they knew, and so sometimes just placing yourself in the perspective of the other person can help you understand and be graceful towards them instead of just kind of getting mad or offended and whatnot because I know it’s so easy when people in your life just don’t get it. It’s so easy to just kind of say, you know what, screw you, or whatever, and I never did that. I just kind of held my tongue, but I know how hard it can be, and I know that people listening are like, Gosh, there’s somebody in my life who’s always telling me that what I’m going to do is going to fail so don’t even bother and things like that. And it sounds like you weren’t in that position. Fortunately, I wasn’t either, but I know there’s people that experience that, and many times we look at that as reasons to not start. Oh, so-and-so said I was going to fail. They’re smarter than me, so I’m not going to start because they’re probably right. No! Do your thing. Who cares about what the other person thinks.

Anung Vilay: Oh my God. I had some people, and it’s kind of like, Who cares if

they’re smarter? They’re not smart in everything. I don’t care if

you know thermonuclear science stuff. That has nothing to do with what I’m doing here. You don’t know how to sew a button. Shut up.

Caitlin Pyle: Exactly. [laughs] Yeah, shut up. Yes, you’ve just got to bite your

tongue sometimes and do your thing because only you know you as well as you know you, so I love it. How do you keep yourself on track? You’ve got your planner, but what other tools do you use to stay on track to make sure that you’re getting things done?

Anung Vilay: Oh, I have this weird setup. My family and friends are always kind

of like, Man, you are organized but in a crazy way. I have a giant year calendar on my wall, which has everything. I have clipboards – I have seven clipboards on my – put on my wall kind of like art-like, and it has worksheets on them like what my podcast schedule is, all my bills for my business, all my bills for home, my social media stuff, all my hashtags I need. I also have four giant whiteboards, stuff for all my apparel stuff, like where they’re selling at and everything else, my habit trackers.

I have a month calendar that sits in the dining room, so me and my husband can both see it. I have a little calendar that sits in my purse on top of everything that’s in my phone. So everything I need to do hits like two or three of those things because I’m not sure what I’m going to see. That way, it’s kind of like if I forget to put it in my phone, it will be on my year calendar. I’ll check it once every couple of days or the same thing as my whiteboard. It’s like, oh, I forgot I had this pop-up shop in March. I should have – I need to go in my boxes and find all my apparel stuff and print out whatever things I need to do. So it’s a very organized chaos, but it keeps me there because I have more than one place I can put things on. Everything is very bright, and I get to use a hundred different colored pens, which makes me happy.

Caitlin Pyle: Yeah, and I mean it just sounds like having it visual is really helpful

for you, and it really is not about being perfect when it comes to planning and things like that or just whatever works for you works for you. And so you should do the thing that works for you. Final question, Anung, because we’re running out of time, and I really want to make sure I get this one in because it’s the one I ask every guest at the very end is advice for people who are sitting at home and they’re like, Yeah, it sounds great. Anung can do that. Caitlin can do that. Whoever our guest is – you can do that, but I can’t.

I’m scared to get started. What advice would you give to somebody who is afraid to get started?

Anung Vilay: Well, honestly, embrace the fear. It’s there for a reason. It’s your

mind telling you that you don’t have the right steps in, but all you need to do is find what those steps are and go for it. Jump with the fear, and allow yourself to feel whatever emotions you have. For me, my biggest one was spite. My driving force was I am going to spite everyone that said I couldn’t do this or that women shouldn’t be in business or I wasn’t very – I’m not a fashionable person. Why do I have an apparel line? I’m going to spite you for that and make them as obnoxious looking as possible, and people buy them.

Caitlin Pyle: I love it, so just do it and get your ducks in a row. Figure out what

your support system is, and obviously the Work-At-Home Heroes Facebook group is a great support system. We’ve got over 32,000 members, and so people are having meetups. Somebody in Work-At-Home School just organized a meetup in Seattle, and there’s four people in Work-At-Home School hanging out together. And so you can actually create your community if the people in your life are not supportive, and you can create that support, and we have that power. So I want to say thank you so much for being on the show, Anung. Where can people reach you if they have questions? We’re going to tag you in the group. You guys can talk to Anung right inside the Work-At-Home Heroes Facebook group, but where can people go if they want more information from you?

Anung Vilay: Well, I’m on Instagram as courageous_creativity, again,

courageouscreativity.co for my website, and it’s anung@courageouscreativity.co again for my email. I do the dot C-O because I didn’t feel like paying extra for the dot com.

Caitlin Pyle: Totally get that, and I’ve done the same thing. So thank you again

so much for being on the show. We will see you. Everybody listening, go say hi to Anung on her website, courageouscreativity.co and inside the Work-At-Home Heroes Facebook group. Thank you so much, Anung.

Anung Vilay: Thank you. Outro: Thanks for listening to the Work-At-Home Heroes podcast with

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