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It's Mrs. Wright isn ' t it? -Yes.

Are you comfortable here, sitting here?

Any place at all .

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Oh, that looks old doesn't it? (Mrs. Wright has handed me an early publication of the I ndian School.)

It is. I don ' t know whether you ' ve ever seen one of those or not?

Oh, I've seen bigger ones, but nothing like this. This is dated 1880, my heavens . "The Camp at Warm Spr ings" . Did the girls go to that camp too, I \vonder?

I don ' t know, but it ' s says something in there later on about the girls were going to the camp.

Because there's a picture over in the Library (Hamilton) of girls in tents and .... but it doesn' t look . . . it's not identified. " John Downing, A Cherokee" He certainly wrote well, didn ' t he? That's ver y old. How did you come by this little school news?

~ That ' s i n all t he things I hav~ ,

C, And did you just decide to collect these things? .

~ No, these have been collected down through our family.

This is interest ing, I ' ve not seen anything out, this old. "Oakville - he told me never to swear , or fight, or chew tobacco". (Laughter) And Colonel ­Cap t ain Pratt, who was the Captain at that time - oh, I guess this was just the first year - 1879 was the first year, wasn ' t it?

Yes, I think so , it says - no, is tha t the one or do I see something else that was . . . . No, that was in another collection of things t hat I have - that the Indian School had just been approved - oh, I spent two hours and a half last night doing nothing but reading some old things that ...

Well, I hope yo had a good time with it.

Oh , I did !

Well , that's really valuable, keep that •

• jl I have , of course Steve has it now, a bow that belonged to an Indian Chief . He was so pleased with the work that my gr andfather was doing that he gave my father his bow, and also his scalping knife, case, which is hand beaded, and - what else did he . . . John, - Steve took all these things, and I thought he had brought them back. (Steve is Mrs. Wright's grandson.)

Well, what \vork would your grandfather have been doing that the Chief would have given him those things?

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Mrs. Wright (TlSl) 2

My grandfather was teaching carpentry, and building to the Indian boys. And , my father was just about four years old and occasionally he'd take him along out with him, and he (the Chief) was so pleased with the things his son was learning and \vhat he would be able to do when he came home, that he gave my grand- ... my fa ther his bow. You just can ' t bend it ... I don't know how he ever bent it, it had the tribal markings on it, and the scalping knife case was just beautiful. ..

Do you remember \vhat tribe that would have been - no?

That's all in the ~ngs Steve has. I'm awfully sorry.

No, that's al l right, that's ... well, was your grandfather a Mr. Wright ..• no!

No , Wetzel. And he was a contractor here in town, in fact all of his sons - there were six sons and they all went into the carpenter trade, except one, he was a drugg i st. And in the winter time, of course, there was no building at that time, and then he would go out there and teach . And he also did some of t he building out there.

What did he ... do you recall hearing things that he commented about, about the boys whether they liked, whether some were better than others or, .. . (at carpentry)

Well, I don 't ... I don't remember, you see my grandfather was dead before I was born, and I just get these things from Dad or other members of the family. And then of course when they had a gir l - I was just about a year old.

Now, when your father was four and your grandfather was out there carpentering in the winters, teaching carpentry- when would that have been? .... Would his sons have carried on working out at the school?

No . No, they didn ' t. Bible to see ...

That was - oh, dear, that was .. . I'l l have to look in the

Oh, no, that's all right really . . .

Well, it was i n the ei ghteen hundreds, eighteen-eighties or early nineties.

It was quite a long time ago, and he died · '·.

He died before I was born - before mother and Dad were married.

That must have been something fo r this town t o . ..

I can still see them marching in on Sunday mornings - well on Saturday after­noons they always came in -to the movies ...

I didn't know they went to the movies, that's interesting.

Every Saturday afternoon they came into the ... well, it was the Opera House then . . down on Pitt Street, yes , on Pitt Street . And they'd march in by fours, and they ' d occupy the whole front of the movie. And we kids used to like to go just to hear them carrying on , and of course, thi s was \vonderful when they turned the picture on ... it was jsut wonderful for them . And on Sundays they marched in and mo s t of them went to the Episcopal Church.

'1\t ~ And to Sunday School a l so, I understand.

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~ Well, I know they came in, but I don't know that. It was quite a sight to see them.

Oh, I'm glad now, t o see they got t o the movies, because I wondered what they . . now some of them didn 't have too mush money to s~end - how they would manage to have fun.

No, I remember them saying that the girl that we had - I don 't remember what we paid her, but it wasn 't too much, it was whatever the school -they set the price , and one of the things - I can a lways hear my mother say - she was always so proud - she would make her a dress or something like that, that she had something different than what they would give her at the School.

Your mother sewed for her, she would make her a dress . .. ?

What was your mother' s - your famil y ' s feelings toward the girl?

Oh, they thought she was wonderful and they liked her very, very much. she went home, she corresponded with us.

So, s he was with your family for . . . ?

And after

Just a summer and a half, I < think it was. I was just not quite a year old the first year she was there. And the second year of course I was running around, and she did ... well, really I think the main thing she did the second year she was t here was to entertain me .

Where were you living then?

136, yes , 136 North College.

That was still cl ose to the school and still far away - I wonder if she saw friends or went back out for a visit or ... ?

I think she - I think they took her out one day a week or something like that, that she went back to the school.

Did your parents talk about the school as such, ever .. . in conversation.

Oh, yes , they ' d t ell different things, and Dad often told us things that would happen when he would go out with grandfather. And then, this was a little bit l ater when the Indians were still there ... my Dad always took us out in the win­ter time to skate on the pond out there.

I unders t a nd that was quite something.

Yes , I think the Indians coul d be out till seven o ' clock, and we always went out in time to see them skating because they were r eally wonderful.

Did the boys play games or did they just skate, or ...

I don't remember them playing games , some of them had things like hockey s ticks.

That used to be the bane of our existence because we ' d get to the pond and be doing our pirouettes or whatever and the boys would come a nd play hockey and push us off.

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I ' l l never f or get one night we went through the ice out there.

Di d you?

It was a l ong wal k home . It was r ubber i ce , and my brother and a fr i end of his were skating up cl ose to where everybody skated and t hey took me up a nd that was jus t one t oo many .

Rubber i ce?

Wel l , t ha t' s what t h ey called i t, becau se when you skated over it it woul d rippl e .

Di d you know, did you learn to know Mi ss Zimmer man and Miss Jacobi thr iugh teaching?

No. I knew (Mi ss Jacobi ) before she t a ught, and (miss Zimmerman) , we wer e class ma t es i n school.

(Some talk about Mi ss Zimmerman)

Do you r ecall any o f the things your Dad sai d about what happened out there . You mentioned t ha t he would t al k about things . ..

No t too much ...

What t he a t mospher e was like for t he s tudents and how they fel t , l ooked .. . ?

I guess I was abou t fift h grade the Commander out at the Post was ... His daughter was a cl assmate of mine at school, and I used to go out with her , what was her name? Uneida - what Books - something like that but it ' s not r i gh t. And I thought t h e atmosphere was very nice ,, there was a= oh, I don ' t know how old I was a t t he time , bu t a boy t hat my Dad hadgotten to know eame back-i t wasn ' t t he Indian School t h en , it was t he Army Post. But he came to see us a nd Dad was so glad to see him.

Did he make s ome f r iedshi ps with the boys out there?

Yes , yes.

How woul d he hav e do n e that - thtough h i s fa t her or i n other ways -

Well , mostl y through my grandfather when he was out there , but I think the •• ~ my fa t her and hi s br others did some work out at the Post , the Ind i an School at one time . There was some building that needed repairing , and I know they got to know some then .

I guess t hey woul d also work on the project , yes?

Yes , but they ha d to have a master carpenter as I s~d to do things because of the na tional aspect of the build i ngs .

To make s ure that everything was all right?

To make sure that it w~s do ne correctl y .

I wonder if some of the boys went on to become master carpenters themselves .

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I don't know. It would be interesting to know. The girl that my grandmother had several years - after she went home she wrote a book, and I'd love to know whatever happened to it, because grandmother had a copy of it.

Do you r emember the girl's name?

No, I don't.

Would you recognize it?

I don't know if I would or not. I know it was a book about that big. It was kept under t he - by a little seat that was kept by the stairway, and anytime I went there I was privileged to go and get it if I wanted it. Which I did quite frequently. It was her experience of going home.

After having been here?

After being at the school.

I wonder what kind of Indian, what tribe she belonged to.

That I don 't know.

I think when Captain Pratt began the School, his idea was to remove them from the reservation, not to encourage their r eturn. But some ear l y remembrances say that the people came - they had the idea that they would go back after the School. INTERFERENCE on the TAPE. When you mentioned carpenter - I spoke with a Mrs. Mangold in Norristown . Her father had been at the school, and he was a Pueblo, and he was at the School and he did become a master carpenter . But it was hard for him because there was prejudice in the Southwest against Indians, not against him because he was a student here or anything - and it took him a very l ong time to get into the union and it took a very long time for him to establish himself - and then he did become one and had his own company.

1\ I think there was a great deal of prejudice for a long time against the Indians here in town. I really do.

Q Do you? How could you see that, or how would you feel that?

Well , it was just the attitude of people t oward them, and,uh, they felt, I t hink that they got more than the townpeople, the town children got . Which I don't think is true. I think their lives were very regimented.

~ I wonder a t the regimentation and the discipline. Whether it was so very different from their own regular lives.

I don't know. But personally, I think they were quite an addition to the town, and I t hink it was a shame when it was closed.

~ I wonder why, real l y, it was closed . Because there must have been other places, closer places , that they could have established a hospital than here.

You ' d think so. But it's really amazing how many has come back to Carlisle to see the Indian- to see what is here now, because usually it's in the paper - so and so who was formerly at the Indian Schoo l.

It must have meant for good or ill, something very big in a lot of lives.

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Yes . We lived in Forest Hills for a - well over a year, and it was surpr ising when you woul~ say you were from Carlisle- ' oh! that's where the Indian School was! ' People really have associated Carlisle with the Indian School, and especially with Jim Thorpe. - pause -

~ It was a sad time, that particular incident I think, wasn ' t it. I wonder if people were prejudiced agains t him especially .

I don 't think so, I think they were very proud of him.

But I mean after the fact, whether they felt somehow let down because of what happened to him.

I don't know . I know tha t there are a number og people here in town are still trying to get him his -everything restored to him.

I think that ' s only fair .

I do too!

No matter what his personal failings may have been to take away everything.

Yes.

Do you r ecall that time at all, when he came back from the Olypics?

No , I don 't .

I was talking to Mr. Martin -

But I know I enjoyed v i siting out at the Post when - the school when I was in school with this girl - the daughter of the Commander ou t there because then we got t o see different things tha t you ordinarily woul dn 't see. She ' d have us out for speci al occasions that they had and so on .

Like special programs . . what kinds of things would happen at . those?

Well, a great many band concerts - we were out fo r those, and then different athletic events that were going on.

Like track and stuff? That must have been something . advantage of that or was ... ?

Did people in town want to take

I think they did, al though I don 't think they were overly welcome, the excepted special occasions , I think that was when they preferred the people to come out , and football games I think they always encouraged them coming out , to footbal l games.

You wonder whether it was to keep - what the purpose of keeping everything so separate and regimented was? Whether to protect the town from t he Indians or the Indians from the town?

Well, I think, I remember that in talking about some celebration they had, I don 't know whether it was the hundredth anniversary or what celebration they had here in town, that they were so pleased t o have so many of the parents of the Indians come and participate in the parade, particularly, I remember them talking about a number of Indian Chiefs being here, and riding their horses with their paraphernalia , you know, their blankets and their streamers - not streamers , exactly but, however they decorated their hor ses, and so on.

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That must have been some parade to see.

I have some pictures of that - if I had the things here.

Oh, he's probably going to have a very good dissertation out of it all (Grandson Steve)

If I had those things I could refer to . ..

? Did you evef share a meal out there? Was there a mess for girls as well as for boys ~

Not with the Indians, I had what they cal l (unintelligible phrase). I have had meals there and Indians were their servant s. But no I never had .. (Truck noise)

I wonder if they were often used in that way, particularly, and were recompensed for working on the Post (in residences at the school)

I don ' t know . I know in- some of the girls were taking what we call domestic science now, they were saying homemaking - were used in different things out there to help them in their - whatever they were teaching them at the time, and I think tha t that was working in homes possibl y was part of their education.

It would be parctical experience that's for sure .

And I know tha t they did sewing, they made themselves dresses when they go t older. a practical experience .

Were there many little girls?

I don't think there \vere many much under - oh, maybe eight or nine. some but I don't think there were very many.

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You hear mostly about the boys and they were mostly older, too, and mostly about sports . You sort of wonder what the shops were like for them, \vhat that experience was like .

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Well, I have pictures of the s hops and all - and I thought he brought everything back, but I couldn 't say no when he said he wanted to make his dissertation on that, because he had had stayed, well, a few months after his teaching experience (On a reservation) - stayed there , and his experience at Christmas time and New Year 's must have been won­derful.

Why then especially I wonder?

I don 't know, but his term of teaching was finished the thirteenth of December and he asked the college if he could stay on, because that was the l ast of his work for his bachelor ' s degree , and he said that he was just so inspired, that he wanted to make, for his master's, a study of the Indian s .

~ Is this, is he in Arizona? It must be Pueblo.

I t was a Pueblo . And there was one man he said was really the head of the tribe, asked him where his home was . And he s~d well it was in Acton, Massachusetts, and he wanted to know where he was going to school, and he said Massachusetts University at Amherst, and he said where did you get interested in the Indians? And he said, "well, my grand­parents live in Carlisle. " And he said , "where the Indian School was? " . And he said ,

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"Yes. " And he siad that he was so glad to talk to some person that knew Carlisle . He wanted to know what differences - because he had been here at school.

It seems to be a touchstone for a lot of people. Were you aware at all of the Hearings that were held at that time, Congressional Hearings? My-imp~essieR-was--

No .

My impression was, at any rate, that there was controversy about food, and tha t made me think of college food protests, bu they had worked on the farm and they felt that they weren't getting enough food, and that they were producing. And I was wondering whether there was a contractual arrangement between merchants and whatever, and the school?

I don't know , because I just faintly remember those .. the people in Carlisle are very much opposed to them taking it away (the school)

C\ Do you think tho se two things were related? The Hearings and the School ' s removal?

They could have been , but I was only about eight or nine, oh , I guess I was older than that, maybe ten or eleven years ol d when they did it. And uh, I remember them talking about it, and I said, some of these things I was looking through l as t night that had nothing to do particularly the Indian ... they are paper clippings, and they had a lot in it about it ... it was pro and con.

I ' ve just read a little bit in the book that was produced f rom the Hearings, and in fact I was surprised, I had not really asked anybody I' ve spoken with about them, that there wasn ' t much talk about it . And I wondered whether they resented the Hearings, or r esented the treatment of the students ...

All that I have ever gathered from reading and so on, is that the students were very well treated out there, and they did get a chance, some of them could go home over summer vacation - the ones that stayed here were usually the ones that went out into homes . I don't remember, have any idea what they paid this girl we had, but I know t hat they paid h er a certain s um, that the I ndian School set the price .

And she just lived right in your home, and she was part of it?

I guess she came in and stayed with us over the summer , about three months she was with us . And she was treated just as any member of the family . If we went away or went to the movies or anything , she of course went a long.

I ' m so glad that they got to the movies , because I was wondering what they did , I know t hat they could take a trolley ride, that I ' d heard that you could go pretty far away on the trolley and take a long time doing that, but just for fun .

l\ It was a - I r eemember what a treat wh en Dad would say~well, I think there's a good movie tonight, I think we'll all go." That was a big event in our house . But with my father being a carpenter we had what was the envy of all the kids in our neighbor­hood. On the one hal f of our yard was given over to our things, we had slides, we had swings, we had a hut, and of course , for the little, my sister was younger , a sand- box for her, and then . . . the yard was open to all the k ids in our neighborhood , and this little girl , Cintu, as I can remember from what they have said , enjoyed the swings and the slide . And I guess the see- saw too.

How old was she then?

She must have been about nine or ten, from what I can gather.

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~ REally, so young!

Um- hmm .

Oh that's very nice.

She didn't come in to work, she came in to more or less to be a companion for me.

That ' s nice, that puts a very different light on what it must have been like for her too.

Now understand, from what mother has said, I gather, that she would help with the dishes, or maybe dust a little, something like that, but her main ... the main object for .. . was to be with me.

That's neat, that ' s just about t he age when they get sort of interested in helping little babies do thi ngs . Did your mother's friends also have people , too, do you think?

No, I don't think so. I think we had because grandmother had .

? And she had girls come in .. './

Yes. She had this one girl ... I think she had her for three or four years, and it was more just for a vacation f or her.

Do you know whether the people who taught out there, the shop masters ... did they have a social community of their own, did they get together and were they friends together?

I don't know. It's too bad Verna Whistler just died. Did you get to talk to her? Because you know she taught out there for a number of years, and oh she had some wonder­ful experiences.

I've heard so many people say, too, I know Mrs . Mangold said her father and all of the other boys loved her - deeply-

Oh, she had many of them come back to see her. I had heard in high school, she taught music in high school, I had her, and she also directed our choir in church.

~ I wonder how your grandfather first got involved out there?

I haven't any idea. He was, up until the time of his death a very well know carpenter. and builder here in town. Many of the houses out in Mooreland, the older houses, werr built by my grandfather and his sons.

~ We live on Conway Street (talk about houses and yards in Mooreland)

f\ We started talking about Mr. Peele, Clerk of the School at the time it closed, and his sec ' y Mrs. Ruggles.) She was not there too long . Now would you have know her? No . She would not have come until later.

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What I wanted to ask you before I forget it again, was, when you visitied out there , was it "Culp", Miss Culp?

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When you visited ou t t her e, how it would be just being on the ground , how it fel t ? Were t h e kids walking around , were t hey playing, were they - what was i t like?

A I was t here mostly af t er school, a nd they were still in classes , but when we would go ou t to skate then you woul d see them around , go i ng around and so on .

(T1 .s'"l.-) What was it like in the s ummer? I don't r emember . And I cer t ainly haven ' t very much to hel p you.

~ Bu t i t ' s nice to know what the times wer e like. And you have .

We did go out sometimes to concer t s , that, cause they had quite a nice band, and then you wouldsee them out on the ground and so on . And of course , they wo uld come to t h e concerts too.

Did ever ybody come t o t he concer t s or could you go i f you wanted to .

Well , I think you could go. t hey wer e having a concert.

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There were certain times they would put in the paper that And the town peopl e w·ere invited.

Bu t I meant w/ t he s t udents have to go , or could they choose to go?

No , I t hink t hat was , I think t hey had a free period after their d inners in t he evening , and during t he school term , I know they had certain hours for study after t he dinner. But , I believe they even had to march to the dining room if I ' m not mis t aken.

And t he gr~s too?

Yes .

Would t hey march to mus i c or to par t of the band . . . ?

NO , t h ey were just natural ly going on t heir way to t he dining hall , and of course, the boys wer e all dressed alike and t he girl s were all dressed alike .

I wonder, to me it seems extraordina r y that people - and there were many t hat were ol der ­coul d k eep t hat di scipl i ne and l i ve with that disci pl ine that musch .

My es ti- , my feel ing abo ut it is tha t they were so t hankful to be t here and to learn t he things that they were , a nd bei ng so much different from the reservation, that they were gl ad to have things as they were .

~\ Tha t may be. I jus t wi sh I could have got t en a lok at it , you know, t o see whether i t was no i sy , or whether it was quiet , or whether . ..

Well , I think t hey wer e typical boys and girls , from what I remember .

I was surprised to l ear n that they were as old, many times as they turned out to be­l tho ugh t - I don ' t know wha t I thought, but they were older teenagers .

If yo u could have hear d them in t he movies on Satur day afternoon you ' d know that they weren 't supressed i n any way. I f t here were cowboys and Indians , you should have heard t hem.

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Who did they root for I wonder?

Ido~t know. I don't think it made any diffference . (laughter) I think we went t o the movies on Saturday afternoon just to watch the Indians .

Did they have a concession stand there to buo/ candy and popcorn and all .

I think they had some hings that you could buy, but not like it is today . I wonder if it wasn 't just as much that they got away, and got out, wher e they were on their own.

Oh they were not chaperoned into the movie?

I don't remember of any - I imagine they would be wal king that distance into town, but I don't remember it. I jus t remember the rows of four coming in.

Now they ' d walk up on Hanover, or on North they could come in that way too .

They'd come in Hanover, especiall y on Sundays to church, and I think they came in Hanover and came up Louther, and then up Pitt to the movies. But we always tried to get in before they did - but you knew better than to try to go down front very far .

Well, did your mother or father ever say 'now, you just stay away from those noisy kids ', or ...

you ever see Jim Thorpe or any of the athle tes running around or training?

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A I don ' t remember, I don ' t imagine be cause we lived up on College and that was quite a dis­tance out . The only time we really went out though was when we went to skate, or as I said , after school. We would very often go out with Manita?

, I wonder what happened to her when the school closed . Did she ... ?

Her f ather was transferred somewhere , but I don 't know where . They were here about two years .

Sometimes the people at the Indian School would have worked before at another I ndian School?

Yes , I don't know whether they ha d orcnot. I often think I wish I could rememb er more about the early things tha t - not only Indian School - but other thi ngs here in town.

When speaking to Mr. Martin I learned about the Frog, Switch Manufacturing Company , know, how the l and lay out here t oward the School from Mr . McKnight - there was no Dunkin ' Donuts there was no Rea & Derrick ! It must have been lovel y . (laughter)

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When my fa ther was growing up from North and College Street, there wasn ' t anything excep t farms. Out where the Federal Equipment - which they just t ore down, was a big farm. And my grandfather bought his whole herd - f lock, of turkeys, and each weekend one of the boys would go out and get a turkey and bring i t home . But there was nothing out there but farms .

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I don't know. I remember Federal Equipment being there so I don't know how long that would be. But I remember when there wasn 't anything much out beyond A Street. Because our favorite - any Sunday afternoon - was to take a walk out into the country. And we 'd go out that way and there was nothing but fields, and there was one man, a farmer, who was a friend of my Dad's, who had a big turnip patch, and we were free to have a raw turnip when we went on our hikes. I can remember that quite distinctively, Daddy pulling the trunips up and getting the dirt off them.

Do you remember after the school closed, the fact that there were patients out there, were there actually patients?

I don 't think right away, but I think they did some remodelling and changing a few things, and then the patients there, but when I was i n high school we were asked to go out to dances that they had out there. And my parents would never allow me to go.

Somebody said , it may have been that they had been gassed - that patients there were soldiers who had been gassed? Perhaps?

Yes, I think ... I can remember- see my house being at North and College Streets -the train came down there , and I can rememeber them bringing carloads of wounded soldiers down there, because we could see them in the windows, with their bandages and so on.

It seems so out of the way to me- I guess with the railroads it wouldn 't have been quite so- now it's more out of the way t han then perhaps. Sometimes I feel, oh, I don't want t o push somebody to remember something, but sometimes people do, I don't like to ... }~ If Steve had brough~~ore things home, because, I just go up - the storeroom is on the fourth floor and it's so cold up there that I don 't go up ... (We talked about cold for a while)

I could have brought a different array of pictures from the library, but I forgot, some­times I carry, especially if I were going to see a man I would take all the football pictures because some of them would be interested in them ... But you know, it's an interesting community of people in Carlisle who have been associated in one way or another with the School, like Mrs. Ruggles and yourself and Mrs. Morehead, and Mr. Flower and Mr. McKnight.

Oh, he would give you a lot .. .

Well, he (Milton Flower) just spoke to me about the nurse, the woman who was the nurse in his - a mother's helper, urn, and perhaps I should have spoken to him some more but that's really all he wanted to talk about , and he can have a manner about him of wanting to talk just about one thing. I didn 't push him.

I would have had a lot mor e if I had the things that Steve still has, but when he asked if he could have them, and I knew he was so int erested, and the fact that he was going on for his master ' s, I was very happy to let him have them.

~ I think it ' s good to find a home for things like that.

f\ He'll have most of these things eventually, but I'm going to hold on to them for a while.

~ That's interesting (the school publication) that they would so soon start on that. One """\ year .

j\ There's a lot of these things I should give to Hamilton Library.

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