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LEGI.S LATIVE COU:-;rCIL. Tu csd,y, 16th December. Tm : Speaker took the chntr at ten minutes after tluee o·cl .wk, llhen there were prese nt.- Thc Co luni,d tiec: retnry, the Attorncy-Gonm ul, the Anditor·GPneral, the .lofaster in the Soli citm-Gener.tl, M,•ss rs. 0 3borne, n1nrphy, Wilkin oon, Strach!l n, Go·•Ilith, Doanlnp, M.illeo, O'Shan.ts s_y, Fawkncr, We;tgat th, l,;p latt, GoiJ smith, Haines, nntl Mercer. STATION. Mr Fawktocr rose to move I hut nn pt t() His Excelloncy the Li eutenant. Gvveruor, that he wtll he p'easarl to came to be J.tiJ npon the Tal ole of thi s H.Jnse, a Stu - ttsttc.d i{cturn ot tlao late Mount Hon se Ab- oaoginal Station. (J.) A rPinrn near ns practicable of the nnmber of acres, or of sq uare motes of land the Mount ltouse Aborigmal Stutiou containecJ, not only nt its fiast ,formation, but it nt1y c\o .llo ge to, >k pl.tce in this respect; dso afteo such chunge. (2.) The date ond full particubrs of th e au- thority under whtr.la tlllo selection took pla ce, nnd who nas entrusted to sPi ect it. ( 3 ) The yearly cust of s.utl Station, the use, or uses the lancJ wus put to, tho number of A, horiJines tt supported, the quantity nnd qn11lot y of that s upJ'OI t, and wh ut p.u·t wns d evoted to icultural, and what to pa& tornl pnrsmts. ( 4 ) Tile total cost to the Colony of Ab- oragi tH\1 St•tion, and the total amount of produce or profit made of, out of, or by, the use of tins Sr.ation, during the time tt was held by tbe Government ns an Ab01 ogin11l Statoo11, or s in ce used ns such, until the time of its fin:tl c.li sposal, wheth er by or other\\ ( 5.) \\'h •t quantity of the l.md of the \fount Abot tgm.d Station ll<ls let by Tendea ·, together wllh the t.nmes of the tendere1 s. the p1 ices ofT'ereu, and the prtce of th e one accept ed, w th the reason why tt w,•s accepteu. (o) Al so a r eturn of the numher of acr es of the Mount Rouse Aboriginal St at oon, that we re not let by tender, th e why the rest uf the l anJ w ns not yet let bv tender, and to "hom, unci nt whgt 'price it ;vns let pr ivately if it hns been so disposed of. 1\lr ROB INSON seco11 deu t he rnot10n. The COLONIAL wo uld merely say, that th ere 1\0tald be no difficul y in fut- ll ishi ll g" the re tmn, mo ved for by the bon. mem- ber, though he cet tainly was unable to sec the of t.lwm. Th ey net e purely tcnitoo ia l matters, but yet if the rotU J'll S wo uld iii iSWei' nuy question of importance winc h the hon. member wi s hed to 11rrive at, he sbou!tl h.LVe g reat plea- sure in fmuoshing thijm, ROAD TO BATES' FORD. Mr. STaACHAN rose, pursuant to notice, to move that the Coundl resolve tt.elf into " committee of t he whole, to co nsider the rropr iety of adtl rcssing Hts l' :x- cellen cy tla e to place un t he l!..stimates for l fl52- ( I ) The sum of two thousancl pounds for tep.tiring the road ftom Gcel ong to Fonl. ( 2.) An increase of one thousc nd pounds for torrning the > lpproaches to the Q,Ieen '• vPs , Geelong . (3.) T lo e sum of on e bnnd1 ed and twenty pounds for the erection ot n si gnal stall' nt SlJOrtlnutl's lllutt; nnd for tloe purchase of Mr tlt e motivn nnd the Spenker l ef t the chatr, :M1 STHACHA N mov<•d t hat the first of the •nms he placed on the Estimates, for . he pu1 J.>OSe mont ioned. The road in questi on >Yas the main hne of commuuicntwn to the we8ter n d:stnct: It was a ro11d fur whi clo no thing os yet ha.l been llone by Governme•tt, and was m such a dcr lor.tble st al e in \\'I nter ao to be tmte impassable. Mr MlL foi!;R b:1d one to the 1·ote, nd Iu s object wus the large asked for, oe was pedectly nware that th e road in qnestton •las ono ul the chief ot commumc •ntaorr ; tnd he al sv b.- hovctl thut It w11s in w ant of Ie- pn ir, but still, when be rl!collectetl tbut the ol Jt dw nor , ttJtt ... s he thou'!ht thot £2000 was ccrtuinlv to> ntuch. 1'onlrl t herelore mo1e, that tloe sum be Ie· <htced to £ l dOO llla STR.\CTI s• icl, if any <l ouht n ·s 'ed that tla er c wuPic.l he >tnv sur pl us, he wonlu not have nskeu fm so l arg e a stlln ; he hnd 110 wo ;h dm" .a ny cvmpao osuu hctwcea cert<>IJJ road•, l,n t ot one he w,ts positive, t hat ' no 1'0 11l o the Colony IequioecJ more r• ' P""' thun the cne m Mr N snppm ted the motion, and tloouJ:; ht th.tt toot too much to 10 te. .lllr HAINES woultll:nvc no ohiection to the vote tt. ul it ' "'t been lor ,, a em•rk whoch fe ll I rom the hun the Au,litm Gen<t ,d, n lew d.oys "!l"O, to tloe eft' c ct, t1111t it the House ask•d l·l!s "xce!lency to place ,, Sall'l on the Estuu.ttes foo· .tny p:11 ttcul,tl' puo pose, they were bo und to vote tloa t sum. li e thought, too, th >t the mutton was po cmatm·e, und tllltt the of thP Oolv••y sbuuhl be taJ,en as n whol e .:nd then, 1f t he s um ·••keel lor couiJ he spared he •hould be h·'Pi'.V to 1 ote tt. Mr FAIVK"-Im would not support tho vote, as there were nther votes of monel' fo r the im· p:·ovement of (Jpelnng. He had also an ob j ec- taon to vote £:!000 fo r t he im pmvement of S>'Ven miles of road, when fur '\ lbtance of two !t un- tired .n.d ten mt les a much ; muller s um had ueen named. The SECRET ARY thought that s 11ch mottons as the po esent one 1 veo e ex- tremely incua.renient, especia ll y the wloole of' t he lo ud been gone tbo ough Bo- fure ft-.t mt ug t hese Est imates, tloc Executive l1 au taken Lloe trouble to asceo t.n n wna L amo"nt it would well to Jevote to such ptt rposeg, and it 11111e brought fot·wn rd 111 t his manner, there was no knowi ng "h ere it would end He tl h>ught it 1\ , ts better, uo the Committee of Roads an .! Bl'iJges was at pt·esent t lo .;t thev shonld take evidence 011 t he mattea·, and repoa:t upon ot - Mr MERCER. askfd whether, if the sum was voleu, It was to be ou the nnJ erot. and inthut if the Com mittee sa icl sum wus too much, t he Honse shoulu have po" er to o ·educe tt. llrr S l'RACHAN replted, th•tt he thought he should ue ennble< l to in l11s next mution, that t he Co unCil had al.nost p!edgoJ thijlll S (l l ves on a J JI'oVto us occasiOn, to go !lnt the sum now "Jlplietl tor. The AUDITOR-GENERAL could have wisheJ t hat the mvtion hnd bee n unll l the Select Commtttec lu d uruuglot up their report, and he hoped th:\t 1f it was not post- poned, the smnll et· " ou! d be voteu. Alderman would snppo1t the ametoJment, because he had no doubt bnt that the morer h.1u asked for much ruore thau he ex- pected to get It had beer. sa'tl that the rend in question was otdy seYeu miles iu length, ant! that two thousand pounds were required fot· its rep. m, but the ru.td between i\ldbourne nnd Heidelberg was qui te ns short, and the sum of fifteen p Jllnds h,,,J ueen voted for that; he dtd not tho nk the refore t hat the !louse would be jnsttfied in refusin g the vote, when they h.td voted so \, trgc a sum to the 1e;>u 1r of the Heiuelberir l\Ir satd th11t ' the s um nnmed for the Heidelbeo;; road had nut yet been voted. The question wns then J.>n!, and tbe nmend· ment of Mr llfoller c.a rri, J. QUEE:\'S WHARVES, .G Mr S'l'RACH f.. N then moveu that the sum of£ 1000 be plnceJ on tlae estimates fm· fot·mm,;- the appa ·onches to tl e Qaee11'; Wh .u ves, mod Stid that although a similar sum was on the alrcnuy, it was fouo.tl quite inouffi· cieut fur cr.rryiug out the nccess•ry improve- ments. l\fr MILLF.R suppot·ted the motion, and woshetl to do so as .:rcnuously as possihle, but in voting this sum he tmd it 1 11 cuntcmplation that II simtJ.u• auJ o tiOn WOUJd he COiatempJ.1ted \oy the Cooporution of Melbourne. i'llr lW l'LEDG E opposed the motion. He dis- approved of the vote, l aowever the hon. membet·s fur tloe Co tv omg ht wioh tv ao range n111ttcr s so as to get all the money fur the Towus of llfelhonme and Geeloug. He must cer tainly object to expendin g this snm on the Uommerci11.l Pivot, 11 hose "hole lallourlllg popul.ttion would not be ahlc or willlllg to do work enough to absorb the w!lOic of the money. The hon . member for Geelong must surely he laughin g in his sleeve, auJ that the Pivot would be very well ' provtdetl fo r; but he (Mr Hntleclge) would ceo- t.uuly oppose the vote, and mo;·e, 11s an amend- ment, that th e Chait man do leave the chair and the Honse res ume. l\fr FAI\'KNERanpported tJ ,enmen•lmet•t. The umeuJmenL was Lhen put, und there np- peare<J- I D. The St•cretary The A uti Ito• -Genet a\ The in · Eqmt.y The So,ici too -Oell l«,tl l'!o e Attomey-Gcncral J ohnsto:a }l'awkner Ro>s Goldsmith Grifiith Stnith Di :; ht Wi.knoson nntlcllgc O' Shanas@y Sphttt Oumpbell l)obome Noes, 7. Mr Dunlop l\lerce: St.-nchnn Tonnbull Westgarth Rolnnsou l\lt!lct (teller), Snoograls M.ajoroly-- 12. The House then oes ume.l , and the Chairman repoo ted prog•ess. FRQ;I.f TrJf 1: LIEUTENANT· GoVERNoR. The Sergea nt-at At ms announced n mcssnge fo om Hiti l£xcell ency the L te ute uant -O oveo nor, nntl E. Bell, E•q., His private Secr etary, was then introduced, ami tlehrered the message to th e Speaker. Th e announced that His E xceleu c)'s me>St l ge lo certain Supplemen- t.try Estim ates which were • ecommenued to Le s. •nctionetl uy the Honse, nnd it IV!IS tben moveu by the ColoniKI-Secretar,v and canieu, that the message be prmted anJ taken into consoderation this day. THE rO!lT ]'AIRY BAR. After 11 short di.ctt<Jsion on a point of or,ler. Mr OSBORNE rose, pursuant to notice, to mov e- Tbut this Honea r esolve itself into o Committee ot the wholP, to con•ider t.he propriety of presenting . nn Au <h·e;;s to Hos Excelleucy the Locntenant- Go,·ernor, ing tl•at His Excellency will be pleased to place upor, the J£sti t\Jntes tor 1 85z, the stun of £600 lor re monng the l'oo·t F!li o -y But·. .. The SPEAKER having left the ch. ,ir !lr OS E: snid, that nt t ht> l.Lte pe riod of the session , when thero was so hwge an :Lm unt of hn•iness belm e the House, every member oug ht lo feel that lae oug ht no·t to iu- htm'self in m.•kin g- long speeches Few words, however, would be necessary to con- vmo.. the Honse of the ju•ti,•e of this request. B_v to "mup ol the herbom, " here t he bar was accurately marked, and wl uch was a wo y small one, he had asceo tuined, that if tt was 'eHioved, vessels of 120 tons 11 onl rl be nble to enter the hal'bonr, the trn,Je of which WtlS at prese11t curried on by means of b oats only. l\J:· h'A snppol'teJ the motton, and sai rl, that although Beltast was a pn vate town- s hop, It co11tain ed much wet tlth anc.l a large po- pulution He would have bEen better ploused hat! the motion bee n postponed until the Honse rould see 11 bat money they coul.J spare, as lo e w.1s wtl ling to 1ote mme if ot IVM neec.led. Hel- f.t st wn s a risin g place, which hnd ns yet 1 ecei vet! \eoy !tttle ass ist.1nce from Governmet. t, and n small sum m1g ht ue of more to it lhnn ten ttll!es the r.mouut spent in othet pl.tces. llfr STRA CHAN support cc1 th e vote, anu was follo"cJ by l\Ir ROBll\SON . T he COLON LA L SECRI£ l'ARY opposed llae vote, anJ he lhd so, not because the proposeJ work wns nn necessur.v, but because he thought tlmt the House, before voting th e money, ou ght to loa ve some definite mtormation before them a• to bow it was to be laid out. Grent skill would be reqmred i n Cllrrying out the work'. Water a ncJ snnJ h.td to be de, >l t woth , onc.l they were both difficult materials to manage:· {, It could be shewn that the re moval of the bar "ns po,sible, nnd that the sum of i 600 w.t s sufil cwnt to defray the expense, he shoulcJ he happy to vote It, but at present 1L was only throwmg money away · l\I r. O.:l llOHN'E inttmatcd that a gentleml\n .nllmately acquainted \flth marine surv epng (:\!1 . Gnffi th, ot had at one t•me cuntractet! to r emo1 e the bar f•li £GUO and to ptcvent its Ietmnmg for at least fifty . Mr. should bave been surp1ised af the Coloma! Secretary had uot opposed an) for the goccJ of ilcofa>t, 11 here, were it not lor •cry shame, thete would not be n con stable. ( \ o, no) Why when tbeoc was the >Uill of £2.) to be expended on a brodge, tht• Government wen t and spent it <1t a spot where no brodge \1 "' requor ecJ and where a bndgc o ·eali) wa. requored the1 1\ou\d not huolu one (ques. to on). The inhabo tan's themsehcs baJ been c_ompclled to eret bndges b_v private subscrip- tiOn ( questoon ), and If they had not done so the produce of the cou nt ry could never have been brought beyond tbc p!.tce where 1t grew. The C JLO;<.; [r\.L Si•.C iti>:T >\RY woul<l sl, (() tlosab use the minJ ot the hon. member foa Vi liters, as tt wa.; hi• ur!{ent 11 ish to s•e Bd t ',tst th 11 ve. Hos 1' ;;1 opposing- th e rotc wa<, that he dtd not think the money wo>ald he use - tully "PI' lied, or that tlte pluns of carryin"' out the woo k had heen suftir:ien U y matureJ " HP thought t he m"tter ougl.t to be tleln.) ecl , nn ttl the arro val in the Colony of the CIVIl l!:n. !\llleer, under whose supervisi-on the money could be applied. bnt he was perfectly awa;·e th•t rhe remoTa! oftbe bnr wns of immense import. ancP, to port m.tl the co lony. lWTLEDGE disclatmed any personal al- luswns. Mr SPLATT proposed ns an amPntlment that ti.e amount vuteu should be £300, contin- g>-nt on a sim:L1r bemg nused by sul>scnp- t,on Mr WESTGARTH cousiclel'eJ th,tt the want of m was . be deplured, fc•l' sueh Ill!?' lll<lt!ou was e,pel'J,tlty neces;ary when the public money was to be voteJ uw,;v. he stwuld be happy to support the vote when' quate info: llMtiOn 1 the prnctoc.ob.ltttes uf the scheme 11 •s Ia tel befoo·c the lloo ,se. i'llr WILKINSON suid, t hat 111 tho r.bsencc requio ed in f'orm<ttion it wouiu be impos- •wle for the House to Yo te such a •um as even ,upposing the bar remoYcd "hat ;,ssm·ar.ce was t here th >t it would not soon form af'a·esh, > \llU nnot.her £600 be wanted ll!r MLLLER thought that the 11 !.ole subj ect hud bett u, yeu ! he exi>tetoce of mndt ol\i, ial npat lt y. 1'01t F .. iry was kuown as oue of the mo,t du n gc ous pons on the co.t st, 11nd it hucJ tepo esented t h":t loy removing the b! LJ' tt might be con,'ei·teu Into a hat hour of 1 efuo-e fo r of l 20 tons, anu upwar,Js, and h ad expected to have henrtl fo om the Governn'en· si:le of the House a fu .l .md di -tinot reporc on the subject.-to hear that the har- bvur la,ld been ex.uniued, nn u that the wua k w. as or was n?t p: acticable. Perh tps, however, he w.t3 speal,wg too soon, aa 1d the tnformntion w•s yet to be gtveu, .but ifo,ot, he w_ oui J th.:t tt was 11 strong mstm.ce of official ap.othy. he hen. mover had not h tmself gi , en the !louse any informatoon, and in the absence of that informat .i on ho certainly could not su ppo 1 t a mcasut·e for the acco au phsluuetJt of wh ich he was willi ng to vote even Jouble tho amount of he was sure that it could be expended adrau- tageous y. 'l'loe COLONIAL SECRETAl\Y s.lid that the Ia on member fo r South Bo11 ke had spokeu with- out his host, in expect.ing Government to be prapared with a ll the informati()n on th e suhJect, and to be nble to make the hou.e nware wh ether tlte was an efficient one. He would sa v in reply, that no plan had beeu laid before ment for them to decide upon ; and, there1ore, the l:on member's remurks were p• ·emaLure. l\Ir. UERCEI1 toasted, that the bon member for Belfa;t _would sec the propriety of witldraw- ln!; Ius ot at least po<tponing it nntil he was prep.u·ed "ith the 1 equired in lurmati"u. Ma. OSBORN!' refused to withdmw Ius mo- tioo o . He should d11ide the House in ordeo · to see who those members were 11 la o ne .. Jected the mterests of tho remote portions of"tiae Oolvnv. fh e llouoe appeared resol vetl not to do judtice, at least it must seem so to A ld eo ·m,tn JOH:\S'l'ON could not g ive a sil ent 1·ot e after such ,, 11ind-up. He had some re- luctnu rc to YOte ngalllst th e mot ion , and yet he should do so. He thouuht th .1t ifanv in- haJ been oi oue to P.;; t F.tiry, it b) the hon. member lor BeHast himsel f, 11 ho ha I •·ome to that Honse to Rsk for £ s00 11 ilhout nny other informntion on the subject tban th at somebody olse once under took to remoe th3 b.u· for a simtlrn sum ; th.tt ..(600 won!u ho only tho own an . •y, and ho w.tswdling to \ 'OLe £1 000 of t t1e hon. 1ncmber would plnce the cuse ns he oug ht 'to do. lie diJ not thmk th•t the hon 1_nem ber for South Bo urke hnu been fairl y met, fur Gove .. ,m ' nt could uo t bo 11 tthout some i•1· formation. on the s tJ l ti ect of the po: t, " hdst so n1.1ny slupwrecks weo e staring them in the face every year, und even when li e lnmself was tn Port Faory some few ye.tn ago, tbe coast was stnddeu w1tb wo ecks, :mJ this w.ts aLout as cou\·incing mf orm.tlion as Gv1eroi'ment conlu rcquit c. lil bNODGRASS made a few remarks whirh were inuur!Jblc in the gallet·y. l\Ir ll013INSON inqui•cu Belf,tst was a pnvute township, as if sue!! weo e the case Gtn e_ n.ment bnd no right to apply pulJhc money to pnvute purposeR :Ht repli ef l thut the Treasury would able to tPII what amount lurl been ;e: ceived th e Customs at Pot t Faary,-on unoun t 11 hoclo , up to October l•t st, hau reachell to neal'i v £4000. Mr \'; ILKt that there several more impor t.Mtt works that requireJ attention . lf tl oete w.os uny money, u breok w atc r was re· quit·e<l at Pv1 thtnd, (l •• nlso at Belfast aut! Waruamhool. " 'I'h e q ue.tion was then pnt, and there 11p- pem·ed .- Ayes , 9. Mr. Osborn e F .twkum· Hutletl "e Splutt"' Campbell 'fb e Solictloo -Gene rr.l Mr. Gnflith Goldsmith SnoJg n1ss, (Teller) NocH, 17. 'J'h e JI.Iuster in Equity Tne Attorne y-Oene r.. l The Auditor· General Mr. Hosil Wi lkinson Di ·dtt Slrncl u•n Dnnlop :Mt ler \\"estgar th Jolonston 0' ' hr.nas•y Haines Smi th Rohmson Col. Sec., (Tell er.) Mujority 8. The motion was accordingly REPlfR OF \' :HA LWES, Mr. WESfGARfH asked to wilhtlraw t he moti on ·in his name rehtllve to th e rep .. tr at the w harv. Js of the Ctty. Leave given, and m()tion withd1awo. PETITIONS. lllr \YE!:>T GARTH presented a petition from the mnsters of eight ships lying in Hobson's 13.ty, complai ning ot the irre"'ul•r admmis tra- tion of j ustica at the Poloce C7Ju rt at, Wilham's n. He gave notice thut he wouiJ this day move th at it be referred to the Select Hu·bour Comma ttee. 'l hc same hon. member alse presented a pe- ttti on fr om th e Presbytet i11n S ynod on the •nh- io;ct of the solemnizuto o11 of i'resbytei ian nages. THE FUND. AlJcrman JOHNSTON, in ri singtomoYethe senes of resolutions of which he had oiven no- tice, said that it hnd been 1 epeat cd I y" observed th.•t t! •e Colonists of Victoria were B; tl ish s ub- Jects, and as such, en to tled to all the rtorhts <J.nd priv1 leges e tojoyed by l ln tish subjects."' As to cb e first propositiOn of the ir heinrr Br iLi•h sub- jects, there W IIS no room for dou bt of the iaot; but to the second, of their et.jo_yin,; th e lull lights a nd Jiberttes of Ba o tosb sULJ ecls, that wa o ,, question st oll to ue sol vt'(]. .l 'erhaps no ctr· cmnstance couuecteJ 11 ttlo Colonitt! Puhtics moo·e fully Illustrated the doubt vn th at point, than the fact that the revenue nrising fmm the sale ot the \t aste lands of the Crow n in the Co'ony were sttll retamcJ by the Home Government. '1 hong h it was ncl;no wledged, that the W.tste Lnt.ds 11 ca ·e our 011 n, thu t th e monev acmnin"' ' rom t he of the lands onr ow;,, a nd th, :i the ad\ ont, o ge wh cb could be hought \lith th, tt money w11s our own, ) et the fund II'AS em ployed by the :Bnush Government to send out here, nut the class of immigra nt s that were wnnted, hut onl y such as t l: ey themseh e" wanted to geL tc.l of, 11amely lHupcrs and ex iles - they loved lo g ive ,1 mil der term- whde th e.v wero slow . 1d opt nuy measure for the moprovement 111 the quuli t_y, or fot the lowering ol the expense ot the system of emigration, which was earned ou solely at the < 'J<pcnse of the 'l'en Itonal Re- venue o't t.he Co loll y. When it 11 as seen hl publo c nt lv m tisements, tht1t enll!{rnnts could b 'u oreught out loere altLn expense of£ I I) per bend , uw ......... u ... fflFSL 0 nntl accoodmg to the bon t> •• 10 . 1 nt 9/ per Lettd; it requorcd some little p• L ncG to _th mk tha t ,rom 1:21 t() 171 prr hcu,J w a. bem, poud frorn the Ftwd, tor bo out nuder the u11er toon or the Home Govea nm <> nt. It 11a• 1n th.tt wuy tl:e Ulon ey was hy tlws3 who had the mnn- :•gement of the fuaou .ot l!omP, an d 11 ho sent out JUSt os man_v 01 as IGw !IS noight le eonveni < nt lo thPI'l. Such would not lJe the case lo aJ ll,nt the power of sen_din6 home an Rgent.of :betr own , conversant woth tho 11 ants an 1 l rc - qunements ol the Culon)', to direct r.n<l snper. ontt• nd the emigtation ot set tl•rs fo o -heres. But it WaR a.ot on only that t he m:tl ·npprop• o ntJOn of tbe L ond Fund nffecte 1 [ the Culon_v The lllterests ot the colon v were affected, h_v it in a lmn•lreu and one c.lotfcrcnt wa)S. WCIC stoong greunds for opposong tbc system, tf onl_v on the ground of the m., ny ve xatiOus U n·own 111 the way of put·- chascrs of land in the pro1•i nce. It not .at all uncommon to sec a sale of land withdra 11 n l.mtl sold, or put up at a few davs' llJtice ' Facihtics were sometimes otferecJ to' men who. ltke i\lr. Clarke, purchased thousanc.lij of acre.' whole all sorts of difficult lOs were t in 11wn in way of small farmers and the poorer c.lesct ipt!On of put chasers He might perhaps c"ncct t meet wi•h some opposition fo·om that clas's 111 House that represented the squatters, ,,. 00 he thought were the greatest alarmi;ts in the colony; who ttl ways appeared to tlnnk th.tt some- thing was going to happen, that somebody was gotng to do so somcthtnfl' to them. (A I >ugh .) He really that considenng ':h.tt tnAueuce th tt c,.ass had on t he ooustruc• to on of the IT they Pcetl not fear gi the conirol of the Wn ste Lands into the h tn ds ;of the Loc.t l Le<>ist•tnre of the Colony For lumsel f, he had fear whnto1 eo· of Sq11attet• mlluence on the House, and would tntlwr plead the cause of his constit uents beforo the House constituted as it mtglot be. thnn 111 thd t other Assem bly whiclo could only the question by countmg out when called oa to dioems n _ subject "h och its members ap- peot red nettber to know nor nnderstaud No poner would then be gtven in liTo· . Clnrk':> ca•e to tm·n out other ltcense h3lders, who, on >tpp_c.olmg ap;unnt tho p10ccediugs, 1rere told thetr cases couiJ not be re- he1\ru. In oue in- stance that he knew of, n per on who had held hts tor _m"ht years, was tumed out by the Caveat Oommosstoner, thotwh the CommissiOner of Cr o11 n Lands had st,tted his opinion that he 11as entitled stoll to ho td hts run. (Nmnc) ' ]l 1 c name of that penon nas Lutton, nnd I us station was at Mount Rouse Ueseo ve, vYtth to the r.l iseoYery of gvld in such " lar n& qu.lll totJes, he belie1ed that eYeo·y h()"n. member in that fl ouse was now eon- vinced of the fothe Cou ncil's hav111g more pon eover that important product at present tt possesscll. M»ny hon. mem- bers on the opposite si de of the Honse s ,jJ they woniJ j om witla them (t lae opposition) of they only went for the aoo.t o ·ol of the Land Fund. He really behaved that but for fb& Gold there wonld be no dtfferetwe between the two sides of the and tloat but for love of cu11tention, he himself mt<>' ht be almost tuentifiecl with the bon. lll9mber" for Hex ham. (A laug h.) The Gold had become a so urce of heao t burn ing anrl bi ckering that oug ht t<> be removed, and nu lass •ome speedy remedy fonnd, there wou \J be seen 111 the !'a OYince, roads n othout m.uls, r os t Oflices 11 itlwut clerks, without a pohce, ouJ the on ly branch of tl1e Gove1ument remaining, th.•t ell !led the Execu- lll e, a t el':n, that such would certamly hnve become a misnomor. Would they, as B, ttish be content to see aTiro t tsh nm ent uno\bie to do n'lj th in!4' un less, no i ts expinng ne t, to go asp with p•lsietl hands 11 le1v br.gs of Gold. It destroyed all con- fiJence 111 a GoYet'nm ent to ha ve as h><d done, its org .•n one day auuounce thot the GoYcmment were athoid to do tlus thlllg, the nex t,, Hoat they " ea e going to do it, nud the t hud, thnt the.v were not going to do it . They one day hfld to li sten to the fears, aoul on anothe1· to the hopes of tba Go reo nma·ot, and this st.tta of tlnngs noose entirely hom the fact of the ol' the Ca own Land Reveuues beinn wi thheld from the control of the loc, ol lc ct ts !.::' - tnrc. H w.t s the t!u ty of the House to all in its pO•I ' GI' to reme•ly t lae evol ;- they had got fL small modJ<• nm of liberty-if nothinrr el;c ol' spe<tking in th 1t They got 111 the pornt of the wPdge ; let it be their 011 n to drive it home The Home Government had g i•en them a vo1ce; let them see that they made that voi ce heard. It w.:s recommenued to them that they should exercise mode.-ation. H e lng hly app to ver l of mod emtior., but he h> \t ed the cttnt of moder.tt ion, n htch was a!ter all onl y a compuruttYe te1m, and natio·os lake men wee aecu,tomed to constt ue it ac cord · 1 ng to the poli cy put forth ngam, t them. TlaPrJ was no doubt Gt cat B>ttain would alwa.s laster .m_ d po otect heCo!omes, and 11lnl e she· gr antl tl pnvoleges on the on e hand, we should he always glad to teciprocate on th o othPr. Still she hud alw •ys shown hca selr more lil,ely to do justice to tltose of lo er depeudcncies I h,ot sh0 11 ed thems :>h es able nn•i 111l•in•' to do justice to t lt emselves. Let her" umler- stund that tlje pl.teing th ts Colouy un.ler the DJwnin· 'j ·Street au toe. aey was \\ S) tem justified by w ither utility, ne cessaty, justice, or . -- that it was unjnst to the C·lony and i "jmwus to her own (Hear) lt n as th.at we s hould uo all in om power to co-opernte with th e other co- in the sfaud tnkcn by them on tlns ion - pot taut s uhj eet. Their eilurts would be warmly seconded by men of great abihties at home, wh ere they 11 ere glarl, but l or them, to get 11d of us altogether by >t count out. lt wns only by sticking to thr io· !e 1t, and pnssinO' such re.olu· tions as those th, tt he wos ub ut to mo>e th:1t tbey COt•ld expect to obtain th.1t self-govern- ment th ey dcsioed. He conclndecJ by moving the foll owin g reso! nt ions .- (!) That the ocvenne nccrn;n" from the sale an d occupatiun of the Wast.;' Lands cf the Color.y, IJcing mainly .tlto thut:<bl e to the v•l,oe "hich th e C> lptlal and J ,, bour of I he Colo - nists luve impa1ted, and bein g- exc!usii'ely applic .• bl e for the benefi t. of the Coluuy, ts in realit _v the property of the and ought, consequently, to be sulJj ect only to the npp•opriatio'l aucJ coa.trol ot the Colonial I Jegislature. (2) Thnt the retention of the uroits of the Coown simultaneously 111th a resen·ed Ctril Li,t, IS au .momaly in the Boitish Constitu- toon unknown, except in tbe Austml! un Cvlonies. ( il ) Th at the Admin i strAtion of tlte Waste LanJs of the Colonv, and of the 'ferottoti.tl Reven ue th ence is as unsalisfactry to the Col oni,ts as the reposi ng s uch functoons in Ot!icers in 11 hose nppomtmeut the Coionosts no Yoice, and oYer 11 lto,e actions tbcy laave no control, IS unjust nn u unconstitu- toonal. (4.) That the soci,tl disorgani zdtion, and the conotant el. tShing bet11 een the General and Te rr itoriul Revenues, which have been the res ult of 1 he discovct ·y of the euot n\ou< ly r tch golt! fields of the Colony, render 1t tl,an ever tmperatlvely necessary tlmt the ap· propri• t 1011 of the J,aml F un•! should be ve sted in the Legislature of tl.o Colony, he- cause oth er wise th e gold can never eftt- ctually be mnc.le (11s it ought to be) the means of re· dresstng its O\\ n wrong. (5.) the sense of in ju. ti cecreatcd in the montls of the · ColO'lis ts by wi thholding from them the rontrol of theio · owu Lnnd Fund, i" a"g bv the kilo" ledge th at 0. \!lfL, la and s; ver"l ot.hcr"possess wns of the British Coo11n are diffcreuth dealt 11 ith, and the conti nued r ef us.d on the l'"' t of th e Home Go>ernment to place Viclou.L on the same in this respect \IS the favored Colony of can scarcely i.til to be sul!' gesttve of the ve1y pa m- fnl refl ectwn, tl at t he con cessi on of thot ju st rig hts, is mo1 e readily by t he B11t••h Columcs, h ,; ha 1in g recourse to rebe l- lions pr.1ctices, than by the 11\ nin tenauce ot a loyal and p<'urea bl o demeanout, such as has ever charactensed tho Co lonists of tb1s portion of Her M»j esty's do ninious (6.) Th at an humble and dntitul Adtlress be trans mttteJ to the Queen, embodying t he fm egoing tesolu toons, mttl pmying tlutt Her Majesty 1\lll be go aciously plensed to propose to the lwo Hoohco of the tnn sfer to thQ Coloui.>l Legisl.tture of the en tire con- . trol ol the Waste L11uds of tnc Colony, and of the T ero itorial thence arising. (7.) 'rhat the l\lemhers, .• Ml' . Mdlm, the &>licator-Gonern l, Mr. Ross , and 11h. Hohnlson, be wi th the mover, n commtttee to fmme the Address referred to in the f,n C((Oll>g' resol ntoons. . Mo ·. FA \\'K:-1 ER secondud the resolnloon l'ho Attomev -Genernl hn,J told thrm "hen they c;tmo out hrre, thoy •nme 11tth the :ight• of Bridsh suhJerls, butthere wns -1\

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LEGI.S LATIVE COU:-;rCIL.

Tucsd,y, 16th December. Tm: Speaker took the chntr at ten minutes after tluee o·cl.wk, llhen there were present.­Thc Coluni,d tiec:retnry, the Attorncy-G onm ul, the Anditor·GPneral, the .lofaster in i~quity, the Solicitm-Gener.tl, M,•ssrs. 03borne, n1nrphy, Wilkinoon, Strach!ln, Go·•Ilith, Doanlnp, M.illeo, (~,unpbell, O'Shan.tss_y, Fawkncr, We;tgat th, l,;p latt, GoiJsmith, Haines, nntl Mercer. MOlJ~T-ROUS~: ABORlGl~AL STATION. Mr Fawktocr rose to move I hut nn Autlr~ss b~

pt c~entell t() His Excelloncy the Lieutenant. Gvveruor, that he wtll he p'easarl to came to be J.tiJ npon the Tal ole of this H.Jnse, a Stu ­ttsttc.d i{cturn ot tlao late Mount Honse Ab­oa og inal Station. (J.) A rPinrn n~ near ns practicable of the nnmber of acres, or of sq uare motes of land the Mount ltouse Aborigmal Stutiou containecJ, not only nt its fiast ,formation, but i t nt1y c\o.lloge to,>k pl.tce in this respect; dso afteo such chunge. (2.) The date ond full particubrs of the au­thority under whtr.la tlllo selection took place, nnd who nas entrusted to sPiect it. ( 3 ) The yearly cust of thi~ s.utl Station, the use, or uses the lancJ wus put to, tho number of A, horiJines tt supported, the quantity nnd qn11loty of that supJ'OI t, and whut p.u·t wns devoted to a~ o icultural, and what p~rt to pa&tornl pnrsmts. ( 4 ) Tile total cost to the Colony of tloi~ Ab­orag itH\1 St•tion, and the tota l amount of produce or profit made of, out of, or by, the use of tins Sr.ation, during the time tt was held by tbe Government ns an Ab01 ogin11l Statoo11, or since used ns such, until the time of its fin:tl c.lisposal, whether by Tend~r or other\\ IS~. ( 5.) \\'h •t quantity of the l.md of the \fount J~onse Abot tgm.d Station ll<ls let by Tendea·, toge ther wllh the t.nmes of the tendere1 s. the p1 ices ofT'ereu, and the prtce of the one accept ed, w th the reason why tt w,•s accep teu. (o) Also a return of the numher of acres of the Mount Rouse Aboriginal Statoon, that were not let by tender, the re~son s why the rest uf the lanJ wns not yet let bv tender, and to "hom, unci nt whgt 'price it ;vns let privately if it hns been so disposed of. 1\lr ROB INSON seco11deu t he rnot10n. The COLONIAL SI~ClH~TARY would merely

say, that there 1\0tald be no difficul y in fut­ll ishi ll g" the retmn, moved for by the bon. mem­ber, though he cet tainly was unable to sec the ol ~ject of t.lwm. They net e pure ly tcnitoo ia l matters, but yet if the rotUJ'llS would iiiiSWei' nuy question of importance winch the hon. member wished to 11rrive at, he sbou!tl h.LVe g reat plea­sure in fmuoshing thijm,

ROAD TO BATES' FORD. Mr. STaACHAN rose, pursuant to notice,

to move that the Coundl resolve tt.elf into " commit tee of the whole, to consider the rropriety of adtl rcssing Hts l':x­cellency tlae Loeuten~tn t-Go vernor to place un t he l!..stimates for l fl52-( I ) The sum of two thousancl pounds for t ep.tiring the road ftom Gcelong to 13.at~'s Fonl. ( 2.) An increase of one thousc nd pounds for torrning the >lpproaches to the Q,Ieen'• \'\' h ~I vPs, Geelong . (3.) Tlo e sum of on e bnnd1ed and twenty pounds for the erection ot n signal stall' nt SlJOrtlnutl's lllutt; nnd for tloe purchase of fLag~.

Mr l\Ol3INSO~ sccond~d tlt e motivn nnd the Spenker lo avm~ left the chatr,

:M1 STHACHA N mov<•d that the first of the •or~going •nms he placed on the Estimates, for . he pu1 J.>OSe mont ioned. The road in question >Yas the main hne of commuuicntwn to the we8tern d:stnct: It was a ro11d fur whiclo noth ing os yet ha.l been llone by Governme•tt, and was m such a dcr lor.tble stale in \\'Inter ao to be tmte impassable.

Mr MlL foi!;R b:1d one obj~ction to the 1·ote, •nd Ius object wus the large ~mount asked for, oe was pedectly nware that the road in qnestton •las ono ul the chief l ine~ ot commumc•ntaorr ; tnd he alsv b.-hovctl thut It w11s in want of Ie­pnir, but stil l, when be rl!collectetl tbut the

whole~ len~th ol Jt dw nor, ~;t; CI"'~d ~e't tl u ttJtt ... s he thou'!ht th•ot £2000 was ccrtuinlv to> ntuch. ~nd 1'onlrl t herelore mo1e, that tloe sum be Ie · <htced to £ l dOO

llla STR.\CTI A~ s•icl, if any <louht n ·s 'ed that tlaerc wuPic.l he >tnv sur pl us, he wonlu not have nskeu fm so large a stlln ; he hnd 110 wo;h ~o dm" .any cvmpao osuu hctwcea cert<>IJJ road•, l,nt ot one ~hi 11g he w,ts positive, that ' no 1'0 11l t·o the Colony IequioecJ more r•' P""' thun the cne m qu~stwn

Mr r.onr~so N snppm ted the motion, and tloouJ:;ht t h.tt £~000 w>~s toot too much to 10te.

.lllr HAINES woultll:nvc no ohiection to the vote tt.ul it '"'t been lor ,, a em•rk whoch fell I rom the hun the Au,litm Gen<t ,d, n lew d.oys "!l"O, to tloe eft'cct, t1111t it the House ask•d l·l!s "xce!lency to place ,, Sall'l on the Estuu.ttes foo· .tny p:11 ttcul,tl' puo pose, they were bound to vote tloa t sum. lie thought, too, th >t the mutton was po cmatm·e, und tllltt the road~ of thP Oolv••y sbuuhl be taJ,en as n whole .:nd then, 1f t he sum ·••keel lor couiJ he spared he •hould be h·'Pi'.V to 1 ote tt .

Mr FAIVK"-Im would not support tho vote, as there were nther votes of monel' fo r the im· p:·ovement of (Jpelnng. He had also an objec­taon to vote £:!000 for t he im pmvement of S>'Ven miles of road, when fur '\ lbtance of two !tun­tired .n.d ten mtles a much ; muller sum had ueen named.

The COLO~L\.L SECRET ARY thought that s 11ch mottons as the po esent one 1veo e ex­tremely incua.renient, especia ll y aft~r the wloole of' t he E>t>m.t t~s loud been gone tbo ough Bo­fure ft-.t mtug t hese Estimates, tloc Executive l1au taken Lloe trouble to asceo t.nn wnaL amo"nt it would ~e well to Jevote to such ptt rposeg, and it motiou~· 11111e brought fot·wnrd 111 t his manner, there was no knowing "here it would end He tlh>ugh t it 1\ ,ts better, uo the Committee of Roads an•.! Bl'iJges was at pt·esent sit tin~, t lo .;t thev shonld take evidence 011 t he mattea·, and repoa:t upon ot -

Mr MERCER. askfd whether, if the sum was voleu, It was to be ou the nnJerot.and ing· thut if the Com mittee sa icl th~ sum wus too much, t he Honse shoulu have po" er to o·educe tt.

llrr S l'RACHAN repl ted, th•tt he thought he should ue ennble<l to sh~w in l11s next mution, that t he CounCil had al.nost p!edgoJ t hijlllS(ll ves on a JJI'oVtous occasiOn, to g o!lnt the sum now "Jlplietl tor.

The AUDITOR-GENERAL could have wisheJ that the mvtion hnd been po~tponed unll l the Select Commtttec lud uruuglot up their report, and he hoped th:\t 1f it was not post­poned, the smnllet· nmo u~ot " ou!d be voteu.

Alderman JOHNSTO~ would snppo1t the ametoJment, because he had no doubt bnt that the morer h.1u asked for much ruore thau he ex­pected to get It had beer. sa'tl that the rend in question was otdy seYeu miles iu length, ant! that two thousand pounds were required fot· its rep.m, but the ru.td between i\ldbourne nnd Heidelberg was quite ns short, and the sum of fifteen h unur~J p Jllnds h,,,J ueen al~e>~dy voted for that; he dtd not th onk the refore t hat the !louse would be jnsttfied in refusing the vote, when they h.td ulr~ad.r voted so \,trgc a sum to the 1e;>u1r of the Heiuelberir ro>~u .

l\Ir FAWK:-I~~R satd th11t' the sum nnmed for the Heidelbeo;; road had nut yet been voted.

The question wns t hen J.>n!, and tbe nmend· ment of Mr llfoller c.a rri, J.

QUEE:\'S WHARVES, .G ERLO~G. Mr S'l'RACH f.. N then moveu that the sum

of£ 1000 be plnceJ on t lae estimates fm· fot·mm,;­the appa·onches to tl e Qaee11'; Wh.u ves, Geelon~, mod Stid that although a similar sum was on the estimate~ alrcnuy, it was fouo.tl quite inouffi· cieut fur cr.rryiug out the nccess•ry improve­ments.

l\fr MILLF.R suppot·ted the motion, and woshetl to do so as .:rcnuously as possihle, but in voting this sum he tmd it 111 cuntcmplation that II simtJ.u• auJotiOn WOUJd he COiatempJ.1ted \oy the Cooporution of Melbourne.

i'llr lW l'LEDG E opposed the motion. He dis­approved of the vote, laowever the hon. membet·s fur tloe Co tv omg ht wioh tv ao range n111ttcrs so as to get all the money fur the Towus of llfelhonme and Geeloug . He must cer tainly object to expending this snm on the Uommerci11.l Pivot, 11 hose "hole lallourlllg popul.ttion would not be ahlc or willlllg to do work enough to absorb the w!lOic of the money. The hon . member for Geelong must surely he laug hing in his sleeve, auJ th i ~okmg that the Pivot would be very well

' provtdetl for; but he (Mr Hntleclge) would ceo­t.uuly oppose the vote, and mo;·e, 11s an amend­ment, that the Chait man do leave the chair and the Honse resume.

l\fr FAI\'KNERanpported tJ,enmen•lmet•t. The umeuJmenL was Lhen put, und there np­

peare<J-Av~s I D.

The C~ l on ia l St•cretary The A uti Ito• -Genet a\ The l\I:~stcr in· Eqmt.y The So,ici too -Oell l«,tl l'!oe Attomey-Gcncral ~Ir J ohnsto:a

}l'awkner Ro>s Goldsmith Grifiith Stnith Di:;ht Wi.knoson nntlcllgc O'Shanas@y Sphttt Oumpbell l)obome

Noes, 7. Mr Dunlop

l\lerce: St.-nchnn Tonnbull Westgarth Rolnnsou l\lt!lct (teller),

Snoograls 'Lell ~r) M.ajoroly- - 12.

The House then oesume.l, and the Chairman repoo ted prog• ess.

~fESSAGE FRQ;I.f TrJf1: LIEUTENANT· GoVERNoR.

The Sergeant-at At ms announced n mcssnge fo om Hiti l£xcellency the L teuteuant-Ooveo nor, nntl E. Bell, E•q., His Exccll••ncy'~ private Secretary, was then introduced, ami tlehrered t he message to the Speaker.

The SPEAKI~R announced that His E xcel· leu c)'s me>Stlge r~ ferred lo certain Supplemen­t.try Estim ates which were • ecommenued to Le s.•nctionetl uy the Honse, nnd it IV!IS tben moveu by the ColoniKI-Secretar,v and canieu, that the message be prmted anJ taken into consoderation this day.

THE rO!lT ]'AIRY BAR. After 11 short di.ctt<Jsion on a point of

or,ler. Mr OSBORNE rose, pursuant to notice, to

move-Tbut this Honea resolve itself into o

Committee ot the wholP, to con•ider t.he propriety of presenting . nn Au <h·e;;s t o Hos Excelleucy the Locntenant­Go,·ernor, P~'~~.' ing t l•at His Excellency will be pleased to place upor, the J£sti t\Jntes tor 185z, the stun of £600 lor remonng the l'oo·t F!lio-y But·. .. The SPEAKER having left the ch.,ir !lr OS !.lOR~ E: snid, that nt t ht> l.Lte period of

the session, when thero was so hwge an :Lm unt of hn•iness belm e the House, every member oug ht lo feel that lae ought no·t to iu­tlulg~ htm'self in m.•king- long speeches Few words, however, would be necessary to con­vmo .. the Honse of the ju•ti,•e of this request. B_v r~ference to "mup ol the herbom, " here t he bar was accurately marked, and wluch was a w o y small one, he had asceo tuined, that if tt was ' eHioved, vessels of 120 tons 11 onl rl be nble to enter the hal'bonr, the trn,Je of which WtlS at prese11t curried on by means of boats only.

l\J:· h'A WK~EH. snppol'teJ the motton, and sairl, that althoug h Beltast was a pn vate town­shop, It co11tained much wettlth anc.l a large po­pulution He would have bEen better ploused hat! the motion been postponed until the Honse rould see 11 bat money they coul.J spare, as lo e w.1s wtl ling to 1ote mme if ot IVM neec.led. Hel­f.tst wns a rising place, which hnd ns yet 1 ecei vet! \ eoy !tttle ass ist .1nce from Governmet.t, and n small sum m1g ht ue of more tlcht~ntuge to it lhnn ten ttll!es the r.mouut spent in othet pl.tces.

llfr STRACHAN supportcc1 the vote, anu was follo"cJ by l\Ir ROBll\SON.

The COLON LA L SECRI£ l'ARY opposed llae vote, anJ he lhd so, not because the proposeJ work wns nnnecessur.v, but because he thought tlmt the House, before voting the money, oug ht to loave some definite mtormation before them a• to bow it was to be laid out. Grent skill would be reqmred in Cllrrying out the work'. Water ancJ snnJ h.td to be de,>l t woth, onc.l they were both difficult materials to manage:· {, It could be shewn that the removal of the bar "ns po,sible, nnd that the sum of i 600 w.ts sufilcwnt to defray the expense, he shoulcJ he happy to vote It, but at present 1L was only throwmg money away · l\Ir. O.:l llOHN'E inttmatcd that a gentleml\n .nllmately acquainted \flth marine survepng

(:\!1 . Gnffi th, ot I~aunc~s\on) had at one t •me cuntractet! to remo1 e the bar f•li £GUO and to ptcvent its Ietmnmg for at least fifty yc~as. . Mr. l~U'l' l~I!:DGI•: should bave been surp1ised

af the Coloma! Secretary had uot opposed an) ~hmg for the goccJ of ilcofa>t, 11 here, were it not lor •cry shame, thete would not ev~n be n con stable. ( \ o, no) Why when tbeoc was the >Uill of £2.) to be expended on a brodge, tht• Government wen t and spent it <1t a spot where no brodge \1 "' requorecJ and where a bndgc o·eali) wa. requored the1 1\ou\d not huolu one (ques. toon). The inhabotan's themsehcs baJ been c_ompclled to ere• t bndges b_v private subscrip­tiOn ( questoon ), and If they had not done so the produce of the country could never have been brought beyond tbc p!.tce where 1t grew.

The C JLO;<.; [r\.L Si•.Citi>:T >\RY woul<l w·sl, (() tlosabuse the minJ ot the hon. member foa Vi liters, as tt wa.; hi• ur!{ent 11 ish to s•e Bdt',tst th11ve. Hos re.1so~ 1';;1 opposing- the rotc wa<, that he dtd not thi nk the money wo>ald he use­tully "PI' lied, or that tlte pluns of carryin"' out the woo k had heen suftir:ien U y matureJ " HP thought tha~ t he m"tter ougl.t to be tleln.) ecl, nn ttl the arro val in the Colony of the CIVIl l!:n. !\llleer, under whose supervisi-on the money could be ~en applied. bnt he was perfectly awa;·e th•t rhe remoTa! oftbe bnr wns of immense import. ancP, bo~h to th~ port m.tl the colony.

~Ir lWTLEDGE disclatmed any personal al­luswns.

Mr SPLATT proposed ns an amPntlment that ti.e amount vuteu should be £300, contin­g>-nt on a sim:L1r ~ urn bemg nused by sul>scnp­t,on

Mr WESTGARTH cousiclel'eJ th,tt the want of oll~ci.~l m fo~·mation was ~o . be deplured, fc•l' sueh Ill!?' lll<lt!ou was e,pel'J,tlty neces;ary when the public money was to be voteJ uw,;v. he stwuld be happy to support the vote when' ~de­quate info: llMtiOn 1 e~aruing the prnctoc.ob.ltttes uf the scheme 11 •s Ia tel befoo·c the lloo,se.

i'llr WILKI NSON suid, t hat 111 tho r.bsencc o_~ the. requio ed in f'orm<ttion it wouiu be impos­•wle for the House to Yo te such a •um as even ,upposing the bar remoYcd "hat ;,ssm·ar.ce was there th >t it would not soon form af'a·esh, >\llU nnot.her £600 be wanted

ll!r MLLLER thought that the 11 !.ole subject hud bett u,yeu ! he exi>tetoce of mndt ol\i, ial npatlty. 1'01 t F .. iry was kuown as oue of the mo,t dungco·ous pons on the co.tst, 11nd it hucJ b >~n tepo esented t h":t loy removing the b!LJ' tt might be con,'ei·teu Into a hat hour of 1 efuo-e for vessel~ of l 20 tons, anu upwar,Js, and h~ had th~refore expected to have henrtl fo om the Governn'en · si:le of the House a fu .l .md di -tinot reporc on the subject.-to hear that the har­bvur la,ld been ex.uniued, nnu that the wua k w.as or was n?t p: acticable. Perh tps, however, he w.t3 speal,wg too soon, aa1d the tnformntion w•s yet to be gtveu, .but ifo,ot, he w_ouiJ o epe~t th.:t tt was 11 strong mstm.ce of official ap.othy.

he hen. mover had not h tmself gi, en the !louse any informatoon, and in the absence of t hat informat.ion ho certainly could not suppo1 t a mcasut·e for the accoau phsluuetJt of wh ich he was willing to vote even Jouble tho amount of he was sure t hat it could be expended adrau­tageous y.

'l'loe COLONIAL SECRETAl\Y s.lid that the Ia on member fo r South Bo•11 ke had spokeu with­out his host, in expect.ing Government to be prapared with a ll the informati()n on th e suhJect, and to be nble to make t he hou.e nware whether t lte pl >~n was an efficient one. He would sa v in reply, that no plan had beeu laid before Go;~rn­ment for them to decide upon ; and, there1ore, the l:on member's remurks were p•·emaLure.

l\Ir. UERCEI1 t oasted, that the bon member for Belfa;t _would sec the propriety of witldraw­ln!; Ius m~tton, ot at least po<tponing it nntil he was prep.u·ed "ith the 1 equired in lurmati"u.

Ma. OSBORN!' refused to withdmw Ius mo­tioo o. He shou ld d11ide the House in ordeo· to see who those members were 11 lao ne .. Jected the mterests of tho remote portions of"tiae Oolvnv. fhe llouoe appeared resol vetl not to do Po~t ~,niry judtice, at least it must seem so to ij tr~wgei'S.

A ldeo·m,tn JOH:\S'l'ON could not g ive a silent 1·ote after such ,, 11ind-up. He had some re­luctnurc to YOte ngalllst the motion , and yet he should do so. He thouuht th .1t ifanv in­justic~ haJ been oioue to P.;; t F.tiry, it w~s b) the hon. member lor BeHast himsel f, 11 ho ha I •·ome to that Honse to Rsk for £ s00 11 ilhout nny other informntion on the subject tban that somebody olse once under took to remo1·e th3 b.u· for a simtlrn sum ; th.tt ..(600 won!u ho only tho own an .•y, and ho w.tswdling to \'OLe £ 1000 of t t1e hon . 1ncmber would plnce the cuse ns he oug ht 'to do. lie diJ not thmk th•t the hon 1_nem ber for South Bourke hnu been fairl y met, fur Gove .. ,m ' nt could uot bo 11 tthout some i•1· formation. on the s tJ lti ect of the po: t, " hdst so n1.1ny slupwrecks weo e staring th em in the face every year, und even when lie lnmself was tn Port Faory some few ye.tn ago, tbe ~·hole coast was stnddeu w1tb wo ecks, :mJ this w.ts aLout as cou\·incing mform.tlion as Gv1eroi'ment conlu rcquit c.

lilt· bNODGRASS made a few remarks whirh were inuur!Jblc in the gallet·y.

l\Ir ll013INSON inqui •cu wh~ther Belf,tst was a pnvute township, as if sue!! weo e the case Gtn e_n.ment bnd no right to apply pulJhc money to pnvute purposeR

:Ht RUTLEDG !~ repliefl thut the Treasury would b~ able to tPII what amount lurl been ;e: ceived fro~1 the Customs at Pot t Faary,-on • unount 11 hoclo , up to October l•tst, hau reach ell to neal'i v £4000.

Mr \'; ILKt KSO~ ~rtid, that there lT~re several more impor t.Mtt works that requireJ atten tion . lf tl oete w.os uny money, u breok watcr was re· quit·e<l at Pv1 thtnd, (l •• ~whter), nlso at Belfast aut! Waruamhool. "

'I'he q ue.tion was then pn t, and there 11p­pem·ed .-

Ayes, 9. Mr. Osborne

F .twkum· Hutletl"e Splutt "' Campbell

'fbe Solictloo -Generr.l Mr. Gnfli th Goldsmith SnoJgn1ss, (Teller)

NocH, 17. 'J'he JI.Iuster in Equity Tne Attorney-Oener .. l The Auditor· General Mr. Hosil

Wi lkinson Di·dtt 'l'n~nhull Slrnclu•n Dnnlop :Mt ler \\"estgarth Jolonston 0' ' hr.nas•y Haines Smith Rohmson

Col. Sec. , (Teller.) Muj ority 8.

The motion was accordingly n~g~tived. REPlfR OF \':HALWES,

Mr. WESfGARfH asked l eav~ to wilhtlraw the motion standin~ ·in his name rehtllve to the rep .. tr at the w harv.Js of the Ctty.

Leave given, and m()tion withd1awo. PETITIONS.

lllr \YE!:>TGARTH presented a petition from the mnsters of eig ht ships lying in Hobson's 13.ty, complaining ot the irre"'u l•r admmistra­tion of j ustica at the Poloce C7Jurt at, Wilham's To~ n. He gave notice thut he wouiJ this day move that it be referred to the Select Hu·bour Commattee.

'l hc same hon. member alse presented a pe­tttion from the Presbytet i11n Synod on the •nh­io;ct of t he solemnizutoo11 of i'resbytei ian ~lai ­nages.

THE LA~D FUND. AlJcrman JOHNSTON, in risingtomoYethe

senes of resolutions of which he had oiven no­tice, said that it hnd been 1 epeat cd I y" observed th.•t t!•e Colonists of Victoria were B; tl ish sub­Jects, and as such, entotled to all the rtorhts <J.nd pr iv1 leges e tojoyed by l ln tish subjects."' As to cbe first propositiOn of their heinrr BriLi•h sub­jects, there WIIS no room for doubt of the iaot; but a § to the second, of t heir et.jo_yin,; the lull lights a nd Jiberttes of Ba otosb sULJecls, that wao ,, question stoll to ue solvt'(]. .l 'erhaps no ctr· cmnstance couuecteJ 11 ttlo Colon itt! Puhtics moo·e fully Illustrated the doubt vn that point, than the fact that the revenue nrising fmm the sale ot the \t aste lands of the Crown in the Co'ony were sttll retamcJ by the Home Government. '1 hong h it was ncl;nowledged, that the W.tste Lnt.ds 11 ca·e our 011 n, thu t the monev acmnin"' ' rom the ~ule of the lands wa~ onr ow;,, and th,:i the ad\ont,oge wh cb could be hought \li th th,tt money w11s our own, ) et the fund II'AS employed by the :Bnush Governmen t to send out here, nut the class of immigrants that were wnnted, hut only such as t l:ey themseh e" wanted to geL • tc.l of, 11amely lHupcrs and exiles- they loved lo give ,1 milder term - whde the.v wero slow ~o .1dopt nuy measure for the moprovement 111

the quuli t_y, or fot the lowering ol the expense ot the system of emigration, which was earned ou solely at the <'J<pcnse of the 'l'en I tona l Re­venue o't t.he Co lolly. When it 11 as seen hl publo c ntlvm tisements, tht1t enll!{rnnts could b'u oreught out loere altLn expense of£ I I) per bend ,

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nntl accoodmg to the bon t> •• ltctt•Jr·~Y~11;ra • , •10.1 nt 9/ per Lettd; it requorcd some little p• L ncG to _th mk that ,rom 1:21 t() 171 prr hcu,J wa. bem, poud frorn the L~ncJ Ftwd, tor bo tu~ing out e~lllgmnts nuder the u11ertoon or the Home Govea nm <> nt. It 11a• 1n th.tt wuy tl:e Uloney was hott~1~da1my hy tlws3 who had the mnn­:•gement of the fuaou .ot l!omP, and 11 ho sent out JUSt os man_v 01 as IGw !IS noight le eonveni<nt lo thPI'l. Such would not lJe the case loaJ ll,nt Cot~nr:i i the power of sen_din6 home an Rgent.of :betr own, conversant woth tho 11 ants an1l rc­qunements ol the Culon)', to direct r.n<l snper. ontt•nd the emigtation ot settl•rs foo tlo ~se -heres. But it WaR a.ot on emi~ration only that the m:tl·npprop• ontJOn of tbe L ond Fund nffecte1[

the Culon_v The lllterests ot the colon v were affected, h_v it in a lmn•lreu and one c.lotfcrcnt wa)S. l'hcr~ WCIC stoong greunds for opposong tbc system, tf onl_v on the ground of the m., ny vexatiOus diflicnlti~s Un·own 111 the way of put·­chascrs of land in the pro1•ince. It ~> as not .at all uncommon to sec a sale of land withdra11 n l.mtl sold, or put up at a few davs' llJtice ' Facihtics were sometimes otferecJ to' men who. ltke i\lr. Clarke, purchased thousanc.lij of acre.' whole all sorts of difficult lOs were t in 11wn in t~~ way of small farmers and the poorer c.lesct ipt!On of put chasers He might perhaps c"ncct t meet wi•h some opposition fo·om that clas's 111 th~ House that represented the squatters, ,,.00 he thought were the greatest alarmi;ts in the colony; who ttl ways appeared to tlnnk th.tt some­thing was going to happen, that somebody was gotng to do so somcthtnfl' to them. (A I >ugh. ) He really t~OUJ:;ht that considenng ':h.tt tnAueuce th tt c,.ass had on the ooustruc• to on of the IT ou~e they Pcetl not fear gi \Ill~ the conirol of the Wnste Lands into the h tnds ;of the Loc.tl Le<>ist•tnre of the Colony For lumself, he had ~o fear whnto1 eo· of tli~ Sq11attet• mlluence on the House, and would tntlwr plead the cause of his constituents beforo the House constituted as it mtglot be. thnn 111 thd t other Assembly whiclo could only m~et the question by countmg its~lf out when called oa to dioems n _subject "hoch its members ap­peot red nettber to know nor nnderstaud No poner would then be g tven a~ in liTo·. Clnrk':> ca•e to tm·n out other ltcense h3lders, who, on >tpp_c.olmg ap;unnt tho p10ccediugs, 1rere told thetr cases couiJ not be re- he1\ru. In oue in­stance that he knew of, n per on who had held hts ltcen~e tor _m"ht years, was tumed out by the Caveat Oommosstoner, thotwh the CommissiOner of Cro11 n Lands had st,tted ~~~ his opinion that he 11as entit led stoll to ho td hts run. (Nmnc) ']l1c name of that penon nas Lutton, nnd Ius station was at Mount Rouse Ueseo ve, vYtth r~<>nnl to the r.l iseoYery of gvld in such " larn& qu.llltotJes, he belie1ed that eYeo·y h()"n. member in that flouse was now eon­vinced of the nec~sso ty fot· the Council's hav111g more pon e1· over that important product tht~n at present tt possesscll. M»ny hon. mem­bers on the opposite side of the Honse s ,jJ they woniJ j om witla them (t lae opposition) of they only went for the aoo.to·ol of the Land Fund. He really behaved that but for fb& Gold there wonld be no dtfferetwe between the two sides of the Hous~, and tloat but for thn~ love of cu11tention, he himself mt<>'h t be almost tuentifiecl with the bon. lll9mber" for Hex ham. (A laug h.) The Gold had become a source of heao t burning anrl bickering that ought t<> be removed, and nulass •ome speedy remedy ~rere fonnd, there wou\J be seen 111 the !'a OYince, roads n othout m.uls, r ost Oflices 11 itlwut clerks, town~ without a pohce, ouJ the only branch of tl1e Gove1 ument remaining, th.•t ell !led the Execu­lll e, a t el':n, that uncl~r such cio·et~m>tar.ces would certamly hnve become a misnomor. Would they, as B, ttish suhj,~n ts, be content to see aTirottsh Gov~1 nment uno\bie to do n'lj th in!4' un less, no i ts expinng net , to g o asp with p•lsietl hands 11 le1v br.gs of Gold. It destroyed all con­fiJence 111 a GoYet'nment to have as tlt~y h><d done, its org .• n one day auuounce thot the GoYcmment were athoid to do tlus thlllg , t he next,, Hoat they " ea e going to do it, nud the thud, thnt the.v were not going to do it. They one day hfld to listen to the fears, aoul on anothe1· to the hopes of tba Go reo nma·ot, and this st.tta of tlnngs noose entirely hom the fact of the dt~posnl ol' the Ca own Land Reveuues beinn withheld from the control of the loc,ol lc ct ts!.::'­tnrc. H w.ts the t!uty of the House to .~ all in its pO•I'GI' to reme•ly t lae evol ; - they had got fL small modJ<•nm of liberty-if nothinrr el;c ~!tat ol' spe<tking in th 1t Hon~e. They h~d got 111 the pornt of the wPdge ; let it be their 011 n to drive it home The Home Government had g i•en them a vo1ce; let them see t hat they made that voice heard. It w.:s recommenued to them that they should exercise mode.-ation. He lng hly apptoverl of modemtior., but he h>\t ed the cttnt of moder.ttion, n htch was a!ter all only a compuruttYe te1m, and natio·os lake men wea·e aecu,tomed to constt ue it accord · 1ng to the policy put forth ngam, t them. TlaPrJ was no doubt G t cat B>ttain would alwa.s laster .m_d po otect heo· Co!omes, and 11lnle she· grantl tl pnvoleges on the one hand, we should he always glad to teciprocate adr~nlages on tho othPr. Still she hud alw•ys shown hca selr more lil,ely to do justice to tltose of lo er depeudcncies I h,ot sh0 11 ed thems:>h es able nn•i 111l•in•' to do j ustice to t ltemselves. Let her" umler­stund that tlje pl.teing thts Colouy un.ler the DJwnin·'j ·Street au toe. aey was \\ S) s~ tem justified by w ither utility, necessaty, justice, or expedte~ocy .--that it was unjnst to the C ·lony and i"jmwus to her own i~ teo est· • (Hear ) lt n as d~,wable th.at we should uo all in om power to co-opernte with the other co­loto~es in the sfaud tnkcn by them on tlns ion­pot taut suhjeet. Their eilurts would be warmly seconded by men of great abihties at home, where they 11 ere g larl, but lor them, to get 11d of us altogether by >t count out. lt wns only by sticking to thrio· !e1t, and pnssinO' such re.olu· tions as those th ,tt he wos ub ut to mo>e th:1t tbey COt•ld expect to obtain th.1t self-govern­ment they dcsioed. He conclndecJ by moving the followin g reso!ntions .-

(!) That the ocvenne nccrn;n" from the sale and occupatiun of the Wast.;' Lands cf the Color.y, IJcing mainly .tlto thut:<ble to the v•l,oe "hich the C>lptlal and J,,bour of I he Colo ­nists luve impa1ted, and bein g- exc!usii'ely applic .• ble for the benefi t. of the Coluuy, ts in realit_v the property of the Coluni~ts, and ought, consequently, to be sulJject only to the npp•opriat io'l aucJ coa.trol ot the Colonial I Jegislature. (2) Thnt the retention of the uroits of the Coown simultaneously 111th a resen·ed Ctril Li ,t, IS au .momaly in the Boitish Constitu­toon unknown, except in tbe Austml!un Cvlonies. ( il ) That the Admin istrAtion of tlte Waste LanJs of the Colonv, and of the 'ferottoti.tl Revenue thence >~nsing, is as unsalisfact<·ry to the Coloni,ts as the reposing such functoons in Ot!icers in 11 hose nppomtmeut the Coionosts ht~ve no Yoice, and oYer 11 lto,e actions tbcy laave no control, IS unjust nnu unconstitu­toonal. (4.) That the soci,tl disorganizdtion, and the conotant el.tShing bet11 een the General and Territoriul Revenues, which have been the result of 1 he discovct·y of the euot n\ou<ly r tch golt! fields of the Colony, render 1t mor~ tl,an ever tmpera tlvely necessary tlmt the ap· propri• t 1011 of the J,aml F un•! should be vested in the Legislature of tl.o Colony, he­cause otherwise the gold can never eftt-ctually be mnc.le (11s it ought to be) the means of re· dresstng its O\\ n wrong. (5.) Th>~t the sense of in ju. ticecreatcd in the montls of the ·ColO'lists by withholding from them the rontrol of theio· owu Lnnd Fund, i" a"g • av~t ted bv the kilo" ledge th at 0.\!lfL,la and s; ver"l ot.hcr"possesswns of the British Coo11n are diffcreuth dealt 11 ith, and t he continued refus.d on the l'"' t of the Home Go>ernment to place Viclou.L on the same footin~ in this respect \IS the favored Colony of C~tnaua, can scarcely i.til to be sul!'gesttve of the ve1y pam­fnl reflectwn, tl at t he concession of thot j ust r ights, is mo1 e readily obtainabl~ by the B11t••h Columcs, h,; ha1ing recourse to rebe l­lions pr.1ctices, than by the 11\nin tenauce ot a loyal and p<'ureablo demean out, such as has ever charactensed tho Colonists of tb1s portion of Her M»jesty's do ninious (6.) That an humble and dntitul Adtlress be transmttteJ to the Queen, embodying the fm egoing tesolutoons, mttl pmying t lutt Her Majesty 1\lll be go aciously plensed to propose to the lwo Hoohco of Pnrliam~nt, the tnnsfer to thQ Coloui.>l Legisl.tture of the entire con- . trol ol the Waste L11uds of tnc Colony, and of the Tero itorial Uev~nne thence arising. (7.) 'rhat the follotlin~ l\lemhers, vi~ .• Ml'. Mdlm, the &>licator-Gonern l, Mr. Ross , and 11h. Hohnlson, be ~tppointcd, wi th the mover, n commtttee to fmme the Address referred to in the f,n C((Oll>g' resolntoons. . Mo·. FA \\'K:-1 ER secondud the resolnloon

l'ho Attomev-Genernl hn,J told thrm ~h~t "hen they c;tmo out hr re, thoy •nme 11 tth the :ight• of Bridsh suhJerls, butthere wns -1\

Page 2: y - parliament.vic.gov.au · (2.) The date ond full particubrs of the au thority under whtr.la tlllo selection took place, nnd who nas entrusted to sPiect it. ( 3 ) The yearly cust

- I JiJ not brin<> out wit!. thrm. l\ 11·­right t )e~ home 1tnJ the full contl·ol o_f the lu•n~ent "an<l ns we hu<l not her~, our _nghts ravvnnc, I to those of " British suLjc'Ct at

hwere notE~'!~'; thin" now tasted and smelt of the ';~e.b s Tho ~•r<nte't injustic~ of all was

go' ''!(rtaini1w t~ the sale ol tbe Lund b'und. thnt ~ppe · \St;nca> of hi > own knowledge He .:newJJI~1 h .. 1 a.pplie<l to Government yen~· whet·e peo for tl;e purchase of lHnd, and ret were aft~r yenr • I . I . . OUt of their demand, while t 16 Ill Olley '.UIIUg

kept ··• lay in the Trensnry, or was lnid out been patu, · E · ,. ll t· st J t in Debentures of nugnhiOn ·be 'u e• o the sense of justice of hon. m~m ~rs to some

10d ll'Ovidcu fot· snob a .t,tte ot th mgs. reiM _YJRLJ1'FlTH dift'ercJ wi th mnch tbt>t hnd 1 •

1 dvoc·L'ed uv the bon. mover, bnt was uee11 a · ' · l · · 1 t · cJ still pr~pared to snpport. t 1e pnnc1p.e eon ~1 ne in the resolutions. (He11r.). He lnlly admitted tbnt the distinction of the different admmlst~:L­tiou of the tno revenues .• had thr~1;n the Go­v~rument into a great ddlirnlty. 1 he energy f sino·le man could meet such nn emer-

0 61~~ as n~w existecl, s.o well as it could ha 111~t ~ an as3emulage const1tuted as that Council Jas. The sun s!JOne upon A ust~a!J ,, as Wdll as in Enghnd, and tt was qtnte posstble __ tha t s~me r 1 t mi~<ht have fall~n on the colon1>ts he1 e as tlgt

1J e ad"n1inisLration of their L:tnd Fund as well as

0 1 'l'h d'ffi It· mi those at home. ere we_,·e m11ny 1 _cu tes thrown in the w:1y of free euu.:;n1nts com111g out .h e which bv a better system of management n:i~i1 t be aYoided. He diu uot so fully concur with th~ resolntions, but th<~.t he would move an amrndment on tne second ~ne, to the ~ffec~. that ifthecontrol of the L_,md l•und weregtven up to the Coloniots, they In return would engage •.o

rovideaCivilList, and meet all the expenses ?f fho Gorerument, in fl~t ns had hee1~ done 111 :Eno·l•nd. He aho obJected to t,he fifth rescln. tio~, (h,,t it was not proper to re~er to (l.nother J,e"islature 'in such terms, especlillly as a suc­c.Je~lin,. resolution proposed a humble adch·css to Her 1\i~jesty. It would scarcely be •aid that tha Colony ofOanaJa was a more favored oneth"u that of Victoria, which had not yet h(l~l an oppor­tunity ofspeaking, . an~ llad not certan,Jy as yet beon refunded anythmg. He would fn1·ther move on the 6th resolution, an amendment, to lc•VG ont the word "entire" before "COlltrol," 50 that Parliument might provide for the fixed 111inimum price of land. It wa• of the !?rea test imporh111Ce to th_is {)o~ony thnt that which was hcrn the foundatiOn of all values, namely, the price of land, should uot be lightly altered . . Par­liament would provide for that, an<l tlwt As­sembly would show that it. ha<l no wi"h to inter­fere with rights solemnly g?aranteeu by_ the Queen ami her Parliament, espec1ally as be believed that there had never. yet b.een 11.11 in­stance whet·e Pr~rliament bad uroken its pleJge given to inJividuak

Alucm1an JOl1N.ST0)1' snid, h<l wouJ,] hnv~ no ol~ectiou to accept th~ proposed alteration in Committee.

llfr: G RIPFil'ri was quito willing that it shoul.J ue so.

Mr OSBORNE thought that tho discussion ~l1ou1J go on, as there was a principle eontai11ed Ill such resolutiOn.

Mr HAiNES could not support either nmen<l­ment or resolution. The House was not in a position to deal n•itl1 the qu ·•tio.n. i\L\ny ,hon members w~re not ~ven aware of whnt the l'er -1·itori:~l ,Revenue consisted. He had he•rd it said that the "o!J licenses diu not form a por-· tion' of it, o.;d that auctioneers' licenses did. (A i11u,;h.) 'l'hDl_t;:;h some bon. _members mif ht have gi"en attention to the snl\)ect, many had not, and tho t'esolntiohs had been before them too short a time to ennule them to come to a pt·oper deci_sion on them. In o~der ~hat h?n. members might have nn opportumty of mak mg th8In.<elves acquainted with the snltiect, he would move tLat the further consideration of the subject be postponed till th,tt day si~ months

.hlr MERCER seconded the >tt110ndme11t. •Mr OSBOtnO:E thought all rhe hon. memuers

were sufficiently au fait on the snhject of the lnnd fund to give a rote upon the seuonLI reso­ln~ion. The sooner the question was settle:! and Jl:Ot rib of the b~tter, M there might then be a chance of having an end pnt' to the Liokering and hent't-buntings caused by it.

Mr D:.JNLOP wns not prepared to Yote for tl1e resolutions. As to elniming the IVllste Ja,tds oft he Crown, why the first man who l•ndeJ t!,ere might with equal justice have clait;ted the whole of them for himself. It was not our llltere•t,lloue, but that of those who h·;d yet to come, that was looked after by the Imperi~tl Gorernm_e;Jt. ~ne of the resolutions stated tl.at the Bnttsn Purha­went were more ready to snbnlit to rebellious Cannell\ thAn to this Colony. It might he the case, •bnt he w•~ not prepnred to aftirm it by noting for the resolution. He _thought the ~"llole subj~ot would be better eons1dored at a Juture period.

JIIr RUTLEDGE congmtnlated tho Govern­ment and Downing-street 011 having' the able advooaey of tire bon. member for Hcxhnm for their dmliug measures, at the ~me time h~ ~as prepared to 8upport the r"so!nt10n, as eontaluJOg " principle both expedient and just. He d:d not tl1ink thllt the hon. AttornAy-Genernl wonld soy that the land fund was the property of the Home Govemment., further than as held ir. trust for the beuefit of those who mig-ht eome out here. If the colonist.; hatl the control over it, the har .. J uf the Government would ue much stt'ength-eneu. .

.hlt· o•SHAN ASSY had, on a formPr occasion, moved fot· a series of returns all bearing on the snbject, and w>1s sure, haJ they been forth­()Oillin;, there would huve been a more power­ful cnse m•Je out tl~>m conld be at present. He was, how~ver, q nit.e p1·epared to allinn the prin­ciple contained in the resolutions, and should give them hi, support.

1\ot r Sl)LATr opposed the postponement. He was not prepared to go the whole length of the resolutions, b;tt, with some slight amendments, ita would support them.

Alderman JOHNSTON objected to the post­po••emcnt. Some hon. members t·emil!de.-1 him of c~ptaiu Marryat's boy, who, liS au exl'ttSe for not getting up, $aid he di1lllot sleep more tl.wn other>, but tlmt he slept slow, unu was therefore a longer time about i t. (a laugh). He tlwught J-.on. members must think verv slowly irtlwy requit·ed six months to make up· their minds on such a sul~ect as tliUt uali•r" the House. He was not wedded to the resolutions us they 8tood, but he hoped the Honse would not uc prorogued without t l1eir eom iug to some decided vote ?n tl1e subject; if they did not, it would ue 11 di~­

member 1\.!r. Dnnlup, w~1.1t h mh·: to DJI>ning.l The House tlwu resumed, and t ile c:i,airm:~n street., th~ Gov~rllllld•1t alight o.t the S•~me U•ne repo,r~ed pro10ress, lln<l asked lenv,, to ;:t ag.11!1 b_e surpr1s~d and oturtlcJ Ly heartng_ of tl!e _let·- on H;·ll~a;y n~~;. , r . , . ,

nble oppomwn of the bon menrber tot' V1llters. PHESllh VA liON OF POR1 S AND l [1.0 l (A laugh.) It was true that m~ny applications , AGE !JILLS. • for surveys had been unsuccessful, but · nt;l one The SPEAKER havlllg left the Chan·, tho could ue r~moved by the power of the Commis- Home went into Commi.tee on this llill, whiCh sioner or of the Caveat Commiasioner, who was rend clause h:r clause. could only make suggestions to the Go_vernment, .Mr WESTGAR~H moved an ~mendme~t on which would uct upon them or not as It thougltt the clause -.hwh h~e• the r.1te ~~ Pilotage h.Y proper. The discovery of _g·old had pluced this the dr,.ught of wate1·, by proposJJ•g a rute uc­country in the most tiilii~ult po;itiou " Uuhny cotuing· to the Lonnnge of the vessel H1s pro­W•>S ever in beto:·e. We were r.ow a new posnl wa~ to Jilt t,he rato of Pdot.!ge at :lei per "ountry with all tbo difTicnlties of Rll old one ton. tl11·ow n on it. It woui.J be only rig-ht if hon. The !1.lllei,dment was agwed to. . menners wo11ld put a fait· cunstnlCtion on Several other clauses were adopted after sl1gLt the nets of the Uol'cmment at. such a crisk verbal alteJ·ations. Whut had been done ?Y the Gvvernm~nt had ;!NIFOR.M RAT~ OF POSTAGE llfLL . . not ueen done Wltl.t n VIew to lf!CretlSe l[S OWIJ I !JJ:l Bill was dlscu.seu Claus~ by cluu~e-m power, but with a viclY only of ched<in~ the Committe,'. . rush tlmt wns taking place of nearly the whole . On the motiOn of the . Attorney-General, the of onr mule population to the gold fields. The £!Ill ;<as or_<lered to be prtnted and re,;d a tbu·d system of licenses was Jis:.pproved of, a•td it tn:te on Fnday. . mi~· ht be deemed :>Jvisabl~ to altet· it, but he Phe House adjourned at half-past eleven die! not think it f,,ir to taunt the Government for o'clock. doing th>tt which they conceive~ to be the be•t nuder the cit·cumstanc<'s. He Wiobed the Hou~o had itself · fully considered the · sulJject. and it mio·ht then have been prepared to after a<h~ce and as•istance to the Go-vernment, instead of talking about palsied hands and b;vrs of gold. (!lear). He wisl:ec1 1 there w~re the~e bags of gold in the TreasUJ·y, for they were wantnd to meet the euonuons ex-penses that waul~ have ~o be pmvided _for on~ of some fund. W1th re)(ard to the qnestwn before the HonsP, h • c msidere<l the admini>tmtiou ot the 'l'"rritoriul Revenue by any other body than that House ns a gre,,t t>nd jnst grievance. (Hear.) He fnlly agreeu with the lwr!. member for 1\'Ielboume, that things would h<>v~ gone perfectly smoothly between the Gov~rnment aud tbe opposition, but for this unfortunate question. To that extent he approved ot the pr'nciple oft he resolution, but no further. He was decidedly o;.:-posed to vesting· Lhe lands and the sale of la.nqs in that Honse. '\Ve were a young count. y, and thme were r ival parties in it, aoth in :w.l out of th<Lt Hense. The j>UStoral and o.gricultnral in-terests were pitted Rgninst ench other. (No.) Tbat feelin.:.: <lid exist, however, and he would be very sorry tQ see a que;tion of the di•position of the Crowr, LaiHls decided by a cnsting vote in that Hou;e A party vota on such a subject might inflict an injury on the Colony which years cot lid not retrieve, 'l'l1e fact of tho bon. member who mo,·ed the amendments having proposed the •ub•titntiou of a Civil List fur the Ll\nd Fund, showed what was hi• opinion a3 to the Colony's being yet fit to t·eceive the cnLit·e manag·emcnt of its J,and He should be so•·ry to set' the administr.ttion of the 1\'astc Ln11Js vested in thAt Honse, at present, thou"'b, perhaps, it migbt ue desirable in a few

0yeat·s that it shoulu ue so ; !Jut when be

contemplaleil the possibility of the provi~ions of an Act of Parliament being cast to the wiil<ls, by tile ~ffccts of party fP.e! ing, he trembled for the result. The lauil lund ought to be adminis­tered for the benefit of those yet to come ont here as well as thcs~ already in the C >lony, wl•il~ it wa• probaule th .• t a locnl legislature 1voulJ act only according to the inte1·ests anJ po!iLicol topics of the <iuy. He moved ns 11.n amendment, th<> omission of the words "of the waste lands ;of the Colony, and also of the won! "thence" from the resolution.

An i,,t~re>tin; debate en mad, whicl1 resulted in the Attornej'-Gcncral withdmwiug his amendment., when the resolution w~s put, and lost by the f !lowing division :-

Ay~s 13 noes 14. The Solicitor-General The Attorney General Mr O'Shanassy AuLiitm·-Generul

MurjJhy Coloni.tl Secretary Stmchan :Mt· Ross ni iller DUiilop DivLt Ji•j~ei; r,;;:nlJull n It

Johnst' n Snodgrass F.LWtmer Wilkinson Roloinson Russell O<borne Mercer Splatt C:pt'cll Westgarth (Leller) Goldsmith

The Master-in· Equity (telltr)

l\Iajority I . AlJ0rman Johnston said, that as the ~oul of

hia motion was lost, l1 e would give up the body also, and with leave of the House withdraw tha remainder of the resolutions.

COURT OF HEQUESTS Alderman JOHNSTON moved fm·-

Copies of all currespont!cnca (if any) which mny have tHken place between tile f~o­cal Government and the J,,le Commts· sioner of the Court of UeqnPsts, rc­specLing certain charges o~ im pntatious, re .. fleeting upon the conduct of tho HP!fiStrar .ot that Court. in the dw~l.urge of l11" offiou~ l duties, wbich appeared in some of the puhhc

journals of this C1ty. . . Mr l!'A \VKNEl't sccouded the motwr., which

was C<trried. COl\TRACTORS• ACCOU~TS.

Mr 03BOH.~E moved-That n.n Addn>ss bo presented to His Ex­

cellency the Lieut.' nant-Governor, pray­iug that Hi• Excellency will ue ple~sed to direct thHt all accounts ag-•mst the Governm0nt by contmctors and others, siiall be made out in due form, eit.het· by <ome persor, in the employment of tl:e Gover!tment, or by the Department 11.g:unst whwl1_the amount is to be charger!, upon full parllcu­lars being furnished by eoutractors aud others, in the manner usual amongst the tmdmg communitY. Mr i\flLL'Jm seconded the motiJn. The AUDITOL{-GENEHAT, had no desire to

oppose the motio~, but would have ~e~n glad if the mover bad pomted out how the di1licnlty was to be overcome. Even if n person was appolllted, the ron t ractors in remote parts of the country would not be beneti tecl; but if i~ could be shown that such nn appointment would. facilitate mRtlers, Govemmeht would be glad to auopt tho SU r<J'('Stion. ·

Tlu' SOLWITOU-GENERAL made a ft>w remdrlls, and th• motion was then put und car­ried withJut opposition.

, NO rTOE OF i'>IOTION.

gr•ce to the Colon v. Mt· IIAINES• amendment

lost.

Mr WiLKLNS0:--1 gave uoti ceof bis intention to move, on Thur;day, the 18th, for returns ·s .ewing the weste lands in Porthllld wh10h had ueen Bold up to the 3lst Ootoher )ast; also, returns shewing the quantity of waste lands

was then put, nnd alienated up to the same penod; anu, alw, N-

tnrns showing what qn,mtity of waste lands had been sold unci alieillLtecl at. )Varnnmbool.

The SPEAKER then put tl1e resolutions $~riatin•. and the first was carried with only one dissenUqnt (~!r Hai)les).

On the second I'esolution-Mr W"STGARTH proposed that the whole

should be referred to a Select Committee, to re­port thereen to the House on l!'rid,•y next.

Mr HAINESseco11ded the resolution. 1\fr GRH'FlTH in that case would be willing

to wilhdraw ],is amendments. The SPEAKER doubted if such a course

would be adopted. · The ATTORNEY-GENERAL s•id, if the

resolutions were referred to a Committee, the Committee would be bound by tile principle con · tained in t-hem.

~Ir G RIFI•'l'l'H asked if the House woulu ue pl•d~ed to the report of snch Committee.

'l'he SPEAKER-No. The House may adopt or reject what part of the report it pleased.

Mr SPLATT thonght it entir<'ly unnecessary to relet· the matter to tbe Comm i ttoc; the "hole of the items might be discussed in n. short. time, and there would ba no better time tban at present.

Alr 0'SHANASSY thought that to ref~r th~ matter to a Select Committee nt this penod of the Session, would be cquival~nt to tLro wint it overboard altogether.

The SPEAKER the11 read 1\fr Gri!lith's amendment on tee second resolutiun, which was the question before the House.

Mr J;!AI NES oppos~ci the nmendm_en~, thongh !'-e admitted theexi;tencc of many evJis m c:arry­rng out the provision~ ofthe Land Act. He thou~ ht them attributable rother to the Act not hemg carried out in its spirit, tban to the fund bei~lJ! under the co11trol of the Home Government. - i:le agreed wit.h the hon. memuer, Mt· Dun lop, that the _<Jolony was not at present rife fo~ the ad­D'IIntstratlQn of its territorial as well as 1ts gene­raJ revenue.

The resolution wna then put and carried as nmend~d oy Irir Griffith.

On the third resolution, The ATTOR;i~EY .Q F:NF.RA.L said,he wished

tt,e House bad .. ot to the m1tnow of tbe mattOJ a little sooner," whic11 would have been the cus had bon. momberR coufined themselves to the qnes_tion instend of goit•g out of the way to have :1 sktrm,.h with the GoY•·rnment (hear,) Perhup, hen the news c r tho able nd ~9cac,y of the hon.

Mr OSBOL~NE gave notice of his intention to move, this day, tln<t an ~tud!·e;s he presented to His Excellency tl11 Lieute:umt-.Governor, ~;r~y­ing him to arpoint ?' survey of the Port Fa try Bar, with a vww to tts nlttmate removal. .

The COLONIAL SECRETARY g>we not>ee of his intention to move, this d••y, th<tt the House sit for the transaction of business on Sa­turday and .l\1ouday. next.

:FEES OJ<' OF.FICE ABOLITION BlLL. The tiOLICJTOH- GENER.\I, brought np

this Bill, for which leave bad_ h~sn gi•·en. The Bill was re~d a firsL tune, order~J to be

prinLed and read a second time on 'l'hur;;Ja.r next.

POSTPONEMENTS. The SOLICI TOE-GENERAL nsked leave to

ostpone the third reading of the_ Gunpowd!lr l3ill the Police-rate SuspensiOn Ilill, and the Int~rpretration of Acts Bill, till Frid:ty next.

PUJJLIC-I;ODSE LICE::"!SING AMEND· MENT ACT.

The SOLlCITOR-GP:NEHAL reqnosteu. pe~·-. mission to postpone the second reaumg of thB Bill till this c!.ly.

Mr. l\11 LLEit thougl.t that it should be post­poned for a longer period, and the Blll was I'dered to be r<-ad n secund time on 1 hu1·sday.

0VA.GRANCY AGT AMENDMf£.~T Bl~~··<

On tlu.> motion of the SOLIClfOR-GENE­RA L, the second reading of the Bill was ap-pointed for Thnrsday next. ,

THE hSfiMATE8. The jAUDlTOD-GENERAf.: suid, tha~ I~e

hnd only placed t)1e rollsJder•ttOII of. the. ~~tl­mates on the notice paprr undei· the_ llnpt eos ton that ! here wonld not be suflioient busmess bef?re tbe House. II e had no wisb to proceed wah Lhem at that late hour, and ~'ould therefore, w·t_h the permission_ of _th~ House, postpone the11 considerat ion till tlliB d"Y· . PROP"R'fY l !ONVRYANCE OF RI~AL "'

L BILL. TJ.e SOLICITOR· GENERAL •?\<ed an~ r~­

•:eived leave to postpone the comJ!llttal of this !3iil till F, iJ:~ v ""'·

.DfSTRESS BTLL. . . The Hvnse w~nt intn Commi_ttec on tht~_BI_ll,

che clause~> of wh ich were t!wcus~ed se",":t"n >nd after a fow unimportant alter~tiOns ugteeJ

e u n t