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Zero Limits Retreat: Audio 1

Jan. 19 – 21, 2007

Hosted by Dr. Joe Vitale & Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len

Joe: Good morning!

All: Good morning!

Joe: Welcome to the world’s first Zero Limits Seminar! This is NOT Beyond

Manifestation. This is not The Manifestation Weekend. This is not a

Ho’oponopono workshop. This is Zero Limits. It’s NEVER been done before.

I have never co-led this with Dr. Hew Len before, so this is ALL NEW. I’ve

got no notes. I’ve got no agenda, no handouts. I had talked to Dr. Hew Len

yesterday saying, “What are we going to do this weekend?”

He said, “We’ll show up.”

Audience: [Chuckling]

Joe: I said, “Well, what are YOU going to do?”

He said that, “I promise you that I will be there and keep cleaning.”



I said, “But, are you going to TALK?”


Joe: He started laughing and he said, “I will just clean. I will just clean.”

So, I don’t know if I am going to be speaking all weekend [chuckling] or if

HE is going to be speaking. We also have a SURPRISE speaker, who I have

not heard before, who has written a book that I absolutely love, which is

ABOUT Ho’oponopono and growing from the inside out. Most of you already

know the story, but for those who don’t, I need to quickly tell you about it.

Before we go there...we found this in the breakfast room. Does anybody

recognize this? Joyce. Alright, it’s either yours or you WANT it!


Female: Trust me, she ALMOST didn’t get it!

Joe: OH! [Laughing] She almost didn’t get it.



How many of you were in The Beyond Manifestation Weekend, the last one?

How many were in the one before THAT? Yeah!! MOST of the people here

were IN one of those weekends. I NEVER announced this particular

workshop. I never PROMOTED this workshop. Had I promoted Zero Limits

to my major list, we would have needed to find a stadium! So many people

WANT TO KNOW what THE SECRET IS BEHIND The Secret. So many

people want to know about Zero Limits. So many want to know about my

forth coming book CALLED Zero Limits. So many people want to know

about the world’s most unusual therapist who is here today and this weekend.

So, first of all, the quick story is three years ago, Mark Ryan who is in the

room some place, he is over there, “Hello, Mark, good morning.” ...told me

about a therapist who healed an entire ward of mentally ill criminals without

seeing any of them! Now, I think I am a pretty open minded guy, but when I

heard that story I thought, “I LIKE you, Mark, but I think you swallowed a big

one here. I think this is an urban legend! This doesn’t sound like the truth at

all!” So, I didn’t talk about it. I didn’t investigate it. I let it go! I heard it

AGAIN from Mark a year later.

He said, “Did you investigate that therapist who healed an entire ward of

mentally ill criminals?”

I said, “No, but what do you know about it?”



He said, “Well, he used something called Ho’oponopono and supposedly he

worked at this hospital in Hawaii for the criminally insane and he NEVER

saw clients, but he did something within himself that CHANGED those

people as he was working on HIMSELF!”

Well, I was CURIOUS at this point. I started looking for that therapist. I

couldn’t easily FIND him! I KNOW how to do research online. I know how to

Google and I know all of those secret back doors to find information, but I

couldn’t find this therapist! So, I found that a little curious and a little

frustrating, but I also was very persistent. Finally, I found HIM LISTED on an

unusual website called www.BusinessByYou.com. I think that’s the website,

www.BusinessByYou.com. There his face was! There was some information

about him and it said that you can hire him by email for consultations. I

thought, now, that’s a little weird ‘by email’ but I am going to hire him,

because I want to find out what the story is!

There began my adventure! I DID do a session with him by email, which I

virtually got NOTHING out of...

Audience: [Laughing]



Joe: ...which made me even more curious. Its like, “Is this how he dealt with the

mentally ill people? I mean, this didn’t help me.”

So, I said, “Can I talk to you on the phone?”

I got him on the phone and he spent an HOUR talking to me. Now, keep in

mind, he didn’t know who I was at ALL and for him to give that hour was

VERY GENEROUS. He didn’t charge me for it. He didn’t question me about

it. He just answered all of my questions.

I wanted to know, “What’s the story about the mental hospital?”

He said, “Yes, he had worked there.”

I said, “You never saw patients?”

He said, “Well, I saw them in passing, but I never saw them professionally,

not therapeutically.”

I said, “Well, what were you DOING that somehow caused them to

CHANGE?”

He said, “I just kept cleaning.”



“Were you using Ivory soap? What were you doing?”


Joe: “What do you mean you just kept cleaning? Are you cleaning the bathrooms,

the walls, what did you mean?”

He said, “I just kept cleaning myself.”

“Well, what does THAT mean?”

He said, “I just kept working on ME. I just kept saying, ‘I love you. I am

sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.’”

I thought, “How did THAT do anything?” I was just INCREDIBLY

CONFUSED and INCREDIBLY FASCINATED by this and I wanted to

know MORE. He answered all of his questions and it just left me in a state of

confusion, but SOMETHING was AWAKENING IN ME that was knocking

at my inner door that said, “Go learn more!”

He had a workshop coming up. It was only a few weeks away and I asked him

about it. I said, “Should I attend it?”



He said, “I don’t know.”

I said, “How many people are going to come?”

He says, “I hope not too many.” He says, “I keep cleaning so only the right

people come at the right time.”

Well, I found this MYSTICAL FELLOW rather INTERESTING [chuckling]

and I notified Mark.

I said, “Mark, would you like to go to this workshop with me?” I said, “Since

you were the guy who TOLD me about this fellow, I will PAY for you to

attend it!”

Well, he EAGERLY agreed. He was JUST as curious about this man as I was.

The man told me his name was Ihaleakala Hew Len.


Joe: So, I still can’t say it!

He said, “You can call me ‘E’ for short.”



“The letter ‘E’?”

He said, “Yes, ‘E’ for short.”

So, I called him that for awhile until I started calling him “Dr. Len.”

Everybody here probably refers to him as “Dr. Len.” His real NAME is Dr.

Hew Len. So, if we want to do it right, we should be saying Dr. Hew Len or

Dr. E, but I think he’ll answer to anything. [Chuckling]

Anyway, Mark and I did the workshop. We found it pretty fascinating. I did a

series of workshops on Ho’oponopono. I also talked to Dr. Hew Len about me

writing a book.

He said, “I’ll CLEAN on it.”

I thought, “Is that like the Japanese, when you ask them, ‘Do you want to do

something together in business?’ They will say, ‘We’ll see,’ which means,

‘No!’” “We’ll see,” means, “No,” in the Japanese language.

So, he said, “I’ll clean on it.”

I thought, “Well, he’s just telling me, ‘No.’” I kept checking in.



He kept saying, “I’ll clean on it. I’ll clean on it.” He KEPT CLEANING on it

APPARENTLY, because at ONE point he said, “I want to write this book

with you.” Well, more importantly, he wanted ME to write the book and that

he would just REVIEW IT!

So, I brought him to Austin. Suzanne and I set up a dinner in February of a

year ago. I thought five people might go to that dinner and learn about Dr.

Hew Len and about Ho’oponopono and this process he uses to heal the

criminally insane and to help everybody else by working on HIMSELF. We

had ALMOST A HUNDRED people! We had to get a HOTEL ROOM! This

was by word of mouth, much like the effect that’s going on HERE! I never

promoted this, but look at all the people! There are more people that want to

come and I couldn’t let them in the door! We’ve got standing room only.

We’ve got fire codes to deal with at this point.

So, I started to have more adventures with Dr. Hew Len. I brought him to

Wimberley where we spent some time, one-on-one, together just talking! I

really felt like I was Grasshopper with the Satori Master as I walked up and

down the streets of Wimberley. I would have these Satori experiences,

because he is just being HIMSELF, but out of being himself I would go,

“OH!!” I would have whacks across the head that would just WAKE ME UP!



I got more and more excited. I started working on the book Zero Limits. I

spent night and DAY on this book. I wanted this book to be earth shaking! I

wanted this book to be the BEST thing that I have ever written. Cindy

Cashman has already TOLD me, she’s read ALL of my stuff, “This IS THE

BEST thing that you’ve ever written by far,” she says right here, EVER!

There are a handful of people who have read it. Dr. Mark Gitterle, who was

also at that dinner in February, read the book and he said that, “This book is

going to change an entire generation.”

Audience: Wow!

Joe: He said, “Historian’s will LOOK BACK at this book as a Watershed Moment

in History.”

I’ve got...I am getting electrocuted here just standing here telling you what he

said about my book!


Joe: I tell Dr. Hew Len all of this and he says, “Oh, just keep cleaning.”




Joe: Yesterday, I am in his room and we are talking for a little bit and he says,

“You know, Joe, when your book comes out [now it’s my book…it’s not our

book] when YOUR book comes out...the SHIT is going to HIT the FAN!”


Joe: God, what a cheery guy! I mean....


Joe: ...because I am already PLANNING to SHAKE THE EARTH with the book

PROMOTION wise! I am a marketing guy! I am an entrepreneur!! I am

already lining up my FORCES, my artillery, my allies. I want the WORLD to

know about this book, which is so incredibly ironic because the only person

who really NEEDS to know about this book is ME!! As you’ll find out, if you

don’t already know!

But, here I am…. wanting to shake the world with this entire book and I am

getting promotional people lined up and marketing people lined up and I am

not going to do it just by myself. I could make the book an Amazon Best

Seller, but I WANT this to be a New York Times Best Seller.



I have already been in contact with Oprah. I was supposed to be on The Oprah

[Winfrey] Show YESTERDAY and it looks like I am not going AT ALL on

that show about the movie The Secret, which most of you know I am in, but it

will probably be because of Dr. Hew Len and Zero Limits. So, this book IS

going to go out there in a big way and he says, “The shit’s going to hit the fan

when it comes out.”

So, I am just sitting in his room and I am just thinking, “So what? I am

READY for THIS!” I go back to my room and I get an email from one of my

early readers of the book, who experienced some shit hitting the fan and took

it out on ME!! I got ONE email. ONE email and I was DEVASTATED for the

next HOUR!! I had to go lay down and go, “I love you. I am sorry. Please

forgive me and thank you...”


Joe: ...OVER AND OVER and over again!!! This is kind of a HINT at how this

new method works. Because, where I WANT TO GO or I think where we

ALL want to go is at this place called Zero Limits, which the code word might

be “White Board,” because it’s the white board before we write anything on it.

As soon as you asked the question or I asked the question, “what IS Zero

Limits?” we’ve written something on the white board. As soon as we ask

something like, “How do we get to Zero Limits?” we just wrote something on



the white board and that’s NOT Zero Limits!!! That’s something ON TOP of

Zero Limits. So, in the past, I might have taken that email that came to me,

which was like a BOMBSHELL to me at that time and I am thinking, “Oh, I

have to go be SOCIAL in a little bit. I am going to a DINNER. I have to

SMILE and I just got a HAND GRANADE thrown to me!” I see HIM right

after it.

He says, “That was Level One, Joe. They’ll still go to Level Six.”

I’m like, “I’m not going to hang around this man any more! He doesn’t have

any GOOD news!”


Joe: Again, I am saying it jokingly, because ALL OF THIS that comes up is for us

to cleanse!!

In the past when I got an email like that, what I WOULD have done is written

back to the person and trying to have logically explained things or I might

have gone to therapy and had all of this stuff worked out within myself so I

am diffusing buttons, BUT INSTEAD what I am LOOKING AT is, ‘I am

100% responsible for everything that is in my life! That person/that email is in

my life! I have to be 100% responsible for THAT...not just the experience of



what was going on inside of ME, but that person or what I perceive their

experience as going on inside of them is a SHARED MEMORY. For me to

get back to the white board, to get back to Zero State, I have to CLEAN

THAT and as I clean that, I not only clean it in ME, I clean it in THAT person

and I clean it in the people that it’s SHARED WITH! This is the NEW

DIRECTION that we are going with, with Zero Limits.

So, by my spending that hour laying on the bed saying, “I love you. I am

sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you,” I got up feeling MUCH better. I was

much more relieved. I was still shaken, obviously, openly I was, admittedly,

but I felt LOTS BETTER and I had another email come from that same person

much more relaxed, much more loving and open. So, there were some things

happening. There was a ripple effect taking place.

So, what’s happening this weekend is [chuckling] I don’t really know.

[Laughing]


Joe: Okay, the email last night, that’s all part of this weekend! You know, but I

didn’t set that up, not consciously anyway, maybe in some unconscious way,

some Divinely planned way it’s been set up. I am here for the ride! I am here

for the ride.



So, anyway, I have FOUND that therapist. I have worked with that therapist. I

have authored a book with that therapist. We are now...we have people talking

about turning that book into a MOVIE, which excited me. I did a radio show

called Spiritual Hollywood. They listened. They heard the story about the

unusual therapist and they said, “That should be a movie!”

“Oh, wow, why didn’t I think of that?” That’s RIGHT!!

This is like, One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest, but a happier ending, you

know...

Audience: [Loud Laughing]

Joe: ...and a MUCH different way of doing THERAPY!! So, I am thinking,

“Wow! This IS going to be BIG! This IS going to be huge! This is going to be

the movie. It’s going to be the book. It’s going to be Oprah. It’s going to be all

of these other things that are happening out there in the world, but again, it all

comes down to ME.” [Pause] I hope that when you hear this, that it is relevant

to YOU!



But, everything that is going on HAS TO happen inside of me: all the

cleansing, all the memories, anything in the way, all of the problems, anything

that I perceive. It’s not in the other people. It’s in ME!

So, I AM cleansing! I am cleansing. I wear ALL kind of devices to remind me

of that. This pin up here, you’ll see that Dr. Hew Len is wearing a pin on his

hat. I put a second pin on MY hat! You know, do double duty here with the

cleansing, to remind me to just keep doing, “I love you. I am sorry. Please

forgive me. Thank you,” which will be the phrases we will be exploring here

to find out WHY they work.

So, do you have any QUESTIONS about where we are going this weekend or

what I have rambled on to say so far? [Pause] Not a one!!


Joe: Not a one! Not a comment, not a thought, not a...?

Male: We are ready, let’s go!

Female: We are along for the ride.

Joe: “We are ready, let’s go,” get Joe off the stage? Is that it?



Female: We are along for the ride.

Joe: You are along for the ride? That’s good. Well, how many here would like to

hear Dr. Hew Len talk for a little bit...anybody?

Audience: Yes!! [Loud Clapping]

Joe: Well, it is MY GREAT PLEASURE to BRING UP Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len!

Audience: [Loud Clapping]

Dr. Hew Len: Suzanne? Where is our friend, Suzanne?

Suzanne: Right here.

Dr. Hew Len: Suzanne, can we pass the erasers out...?

Suzanne: Oh, sure! [Pause]

Dr. Hew Len: ...please? You and Bruce, thank you very much.

Bruce: You are welcome.



Dr. Hew Len: While they are passing the erasers out, I want to make a couple of comments

about the room. First of all, the room is VERY sacred. The room is VERY,

VERY SACRED. So, you need to be aware of that. How you treat yourself is

how you treat this room. If you are willing to accept the fact that this room is

very sacred and whoever built it, built it with great sacredness, then the room

ought to be acknowledged as so. But each chair that you are sitting in is

VERY sacred. It isn’t just a chair, you didn’t just HAPPEN to sit in that chair,

but each of the chairs that you are sitting in is very, very sacred.

So that means that how you treat the room and how you treat the chair is how

you treat yourself. I WANT YOU to pay attention to that! So, this room is

very, very sacred. The chair that you sit on is very, very sacred. The air that

you breathe in in this room is very sacred. So, this room is a Temple and I

would like...at least, I am going to treat it as a very sacred place. So the owner

who put out his soul to build these things, we want to honor that person,

because that person, whatever he was inspired, built this room and you are

here, instead of sitting out there in the rain some place. So, I want to make that

point VERY IMPORTANTLY, the ROOM is VERY SACRED!

So, I would appreciate it if you would NOT have any cell phone conversations

in the room, because you will disturb the rhythm of the room. So, this room

has an identity of its own and it can ONLY do what it was created to do



without your disturbing it. So, cell phones, computers, all these things, will

disturb the room and if you disturb the room, then we can’t get across the

information. I just want to make the point, the chair you are sitting on, the

table that you are...right here, the carpet that you are standing on, the

foundation...that all of this is very sacred. Without this room, this could not

take place.

So, I get to watch you, how you treat the room and I get to do my cleaning.

Years ago I worked, again, at Hawaii State Hospital and one of the things that

you noticed about the ward...that the peeling of the paint… the toilets would

flush when nobody was on them, the lights would go off and on, you could

hear crying in the room and so, no plants would grow. So this room...I had Joe

bring in a plant. See? So, this plant represents the mineral, vegetable and

animal kingdom. It’s going to WATCH all of us to see how sacred we are. It

will know whether we are in fact sacred to ourselves, which is where we want

to begin it in...the sacredness in how we treat ourselves.

So, I want to see if you have any questions about the sacredness of this room,

the sacredness of the chair and the floor. Did you know, for example, that the

person who sat on THIS chair had a financial problem? [Pause] Hello? The

person who sat in THIS chair had a financial problem. So, when I LOOK to

take 100% responsibility for whatever it is that THIS ROOM comprises of, I

look at all of you. I asked Joe to give me a registration...names of ALL of you



and then the room and then the address, because this room was once under a

huge glacier! So, there are MEMORIES of that!! This room was part of the

flooding. There are memories of that! So, but this chair right here, somebody

sat on this chair that had financial problems, like you, which means you get up

and you leave and you leave your crap. This is what we all do. We go from

place to place, desecrating things!

So, I just want you to know that THIS ROOM has been set up in such a way

that when you are in this room, the cleaning is taking place. Once you leave

the room to go outside of the building, you are on your own...yeah, and

ONLY because this room really wants to feel loved and cared for...which is

something RARE in the annals of human existence. So please, no cell phone

discussions in the room. It will disturb the room. Even the computers that you

folks are using will disturb the room. The electric...the cameras in the room,

will disturb the room. So, if you want to get the MOST out of it, you HAVE to

be ZERO. You have to be SACRED! If you are not, you are not going to get

anything out of this! All you are going to do is you are going to get reactions.

You are going to have questions. You are going to bitch and moan. You are

going to get annoyed and irritable. I’ve been through this. This is why it’s

very DANGEROUS to give a course like this, because ALL of the stuff will

come up...I mean, ANCIENT stuff will just pour out!!



Now, as long as I am in the room, I KIND of feel like I’m safe, because the

room will, in fact, CLEAR IT, but it won’t clear it if you are not sacred with

it. So, I want to see if you have any questions about the sacredness of this

room, the chairs, the carpet, and you. Good.

So, I am going to ask Suzanne...where IS my friend, Suzanne?

Okay, I am going to ask Suzanne if she will come and just stand right here for

a moment, Suzanne, please. I would like for you to take your erasers out,

okay, please.

Suzanne, when somebody erases on that side, I want you to erase it on this

side, okay?

Suzanne: What is it you want me to erase?

Dr. Hew Len: I am going to ask somebody to come up and erase that.

Suzanne: You want me to erase that?

Dr. Hew Len: As soon as you erase it, you erase it. Okay?

Suzanne: Okay.



Dr. Hew Len: Okay, everybody got an eraser? Sir, can you come up for a moment, please? I

want you just to WATCH something. So, I am going to ASK him to come up,

the person who OWNS the building [chuckling]. I am going to ask him if he

would stand right HERE and then all I am going to do is to ask him to take his

eraser and erase that ‘M’. Could you do that, please? [Pause]

So, what happens? It can’t be erased? Why might that be so?

Nerissa: It’s the wrong kind of pen.

Dr. Hew Len: I’m sorry?

Nerissa: It’s the wrong kind of pen.

Dr. Hew Len: THERE you go! So, it’s IMPORTANT for you to know that there are certain

things that ONLY you can do and if you don’t do it, nobody else can be able

to do it. Can I make that point? In other words, you have come into this

lifetime to do those things that nobody else can do and if you CAN’T erase

the stuff and take yourself back to zero, you are STUCK and you’ll never be

able to achieve that. So, your ONLY enemies are WHO?

Audience: Yourselves.



Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, not yourself! You are at Zero. Your only opponent is this! [tapping

sounds]

Nerissa: Memories?

Dr. Hew Len: Memories! That’s the only opponent! When you don’t have these memories,

you are back to zero; that’s who you are: pure, free, perfect, whole, complete.

When you are a memory, it’s all bullshit...absolute bullshit. That’s NOT

YOU!

So now, let’s say that my friend David was able to erase that? That gets

erased, IMMEDIATELY everything else gets erased from the room, the

carpet, the grass, the mineral/vegetable/animal kingdom all throughout the

whole cosmos, everything gets erased if he is willing to be 100% responsible!

By erasing it, he erases it for ALL and you won’t even know it! Why won’t

you know it?

David: You won’t remember it!

Dr. Hew Len: Not only that, but because MOST of what you are aware of, you are not even

CLOSE to what’s going on. For EVERY memory that you are conscious of,



which is still bullshit stuff, there are MILLIONS going on that you are not

aware of...MILLIONS...and you are thinking you know!! Bull!

I am going to make that point again. For EACH MEMORY that is in my

friend David, he’s got millions happening below his awareness and that’s

what’s driving him, not THAT! It’s the millions and millions. So, let’s say for

every second there are fifteen memories that come up that David may be

conscious of, there are 15 Million more that he is not and that’s jerking him

around. [Pause] THAT’S what you’ve got to get at!

It’s like Psalms 19:12 or something like that where the Psalm is lamentive,

there are these secret errors. I don’t know what they are, but YOU, YOU, but

YOU and you can have it erased. But you have to know, it’s ONLY you. If

you don’t erase it HERE...David...something comes up in his mind that even

HE might not even be aware of, if he doesn’t get at it and erase it, we are ALL

stuck with it. We are all stuck with it! There are certain things that ONLY you

can clean. If you are waiting for David to clean, he won’t even be conscious

of it! You are stuck now. We are ALL stuck!

So, does anybody know how a symphony orchestra gets tuned up? Who

comes out and tunes them up?

Male: The director.



Female: The concert master.

Dr. Hew Len: The CONCERT MASTER! So, David is like a concert master. But if he is

willing to erase, everybody...he goes into tune, this gets erased and everybody

else goes into tune. He can tune everybody up and they may not be even

conscious of it! [Pause]

So, you need to know that everything that you experience and MOST of it you

are not aware of, it’s in YOU!! You can’t get outside of you. It’s not possible!

So, when you see out of memory, you see with...where’s my friend Ryan.

Ryan, did you bring the dark glasses?

Ryan: Uh, in my car.

Dr. Hew Len: Can you get it?

Ryan: Yeah.

Dr. Hew Len: I want to make a point. So, I want to stop to see whether you have any

questions. So, this is not DAVID, THIS is David. Zero is David. This is

David’s opponent...not his son, not the building, not the weather, not anything



else, this is his and this is yours, but when David is willing to let THAT go

and return to zero, he’s HOME!! [Pause]That’s where everything is!

Everything that is perfect and right for David will show up, but he’s got to get

rid of that opponent! If you don’t get rid of that opponent, you haven’t got a

chance! Not only that [chuckling] you make it HARD on everybody else and

THEY are STUCK!

So, I am going to pause to see if you have ANY QUESTIONS about who you

ARE [tapping sounds], who you are NOT [tapping sounds] and if you don’t

get THAT [tapping sounds], we are all stuck with it. Our friend poor Suzanne

is STUCK with it. This is our friend, Suzanne.

So, I want to pause to see if you have any questions...any comments. Now,

she’s going to have a question. Okay, everybody see it? Raise your hands. She

has a question. What does that mean? Pay attention!!

Female: That she has a question.

Dr. Hew Len: Pay attention! That means something is up! [Tapping sounds] YOU should be

saying, “I love you. Thank you,” instead of being there going, “Uh-oh, I have

a question, too!” Bullshit stuff...I tell you! But if she has a question, that’s

GREAT, because now if David was quick enough, he’d start doing his

cleaning because he would be back from zero and he would take her back to



zero and she’d get a PERFECT answer! She would get a perfect answer from

whom?

Female: Herself.

Dr. Hew Len: Herself and WHO is herself?

Female: Zero.

Dr. Hew Len: Zero. What does Zero open the door to? GOD...Creation...The Infinite!

But you can’t DO it if your opponent is there! So, we want you to ask

questions, but the rest of us ought to be doing cleaning, you know. Otherwise,

you are going to piggyback on her question and then the whole room is going

to be like a psychiatric hospital.


Dr. Hew Len: It’s going crazy! REALLY!!


Dr. Hew Len: Thank you very much.



David: It’s PERFECT timing, sir.

Dr. Hew Len: [Laughing]

David: I needed directions.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. [Chuckling] So, the ONLY point that I am going to make, hopefully, to

get the idea across is that...this isn’t either me or David, but this is what I see

out of it. I am seeing out of my shades, which means I see...crap! Sorry. But if

I am willing to let go of the shade, which is just a memory...I’m seeing out of

memory...I am back to zero. I can see what God sees, with ABSOLUTE

CLARITY!!

That’s all I am going to talk about this weekend...how YOU, your only

opponent, not your mama, not your papa, not anybody, not government, not

Bush, not anybody, not Iraq. It’s YOU! If you are WILLING TO LET GO and

BE HERE, you set everybody FREE and everybody will MOVE until another

memory hits, BONK and then everybody’s stuck. But MOST of the time, we

see out of THIS stuff. [Pause]

We spend 99% of our time looking at this and we say, “That’s for real!” This

is our OPPONENT! You have no opponent, but THIS [tapping sounds] and



this WANTS TO GO!!! It doesn’t WANT to be your opponent, but you put it

there and yet you are responsible to take it off.

Ma’am, you had a question?

Female: You know, allowing that space between when I wanted to ask the question

until now, you’ve allowed me to answer my own question.

Dr. Hew Len: Yes.

Female: Very reasonably.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, so you are going to put people like us therapists out of business. We

have....


Dr. Hew Len: We are going to have to go do something else...REALLY! REALLY!!! If you

come from...thank you, Suzanne.

Suzanne: You are welcome.

Dr. Hew Len: We are going to have to figure out a way to erase that stuff, yeah?



Female: [Laughing]

Dr. Hew Len: Thank you very much, David. [Pause]

Consumers Report put out a book called How You Can Clean Practically

Anything, see?


Dr. Hew Len: I don’t know, they had 80 or 90 ways pending and so we are going to find out

a way to clean this stuff, yeah?


Dr. Hew Len: So, I don’t want to discourage questions, but any time you ask a question that

means that we are ALL unclear...ALL OF US...and you waiting for an answer

to come, like a discussion, you ain’t going to....discussions don’t erase. They

won’t do it! The only thing that will erase is, “I love you!” Why will “I love

you” erase? Some of you are doing it, why does it WORK?

Cindy: Because it takes you back to Zero?



Dr. Hew Len: What? I know it. Okay, we’ve got that one. It takes us back to Zero. HOW

does it take us back to Zero?

Female: The same.

Dr. Hew Len: You see, YOU NEED to KNOW that! You need to APPRECIATE HOW you

MOVE the WHOLE COSMOS by simply saying, “I love you!” How you

engage the ENTIRE COSMOS...the ENTIRE Cosmos by saying, “I love

you,” but YOU need to be aware what’s involved so you can be AWED by

this stuff as opposed to, “I love you. I love you.” You go, “Oh! Is there a

faster way? I love you. I know there’s got to be a faster way. I love you, I love

you, I love you, lalalala....”


Dr. Hew Len: But when you say, “I love you,” you can not believe...I mean, you engaged the

whole cosmos, anything that is out The Divinity will put in...will put it back

into rhythm, the whole kit and caboodle. So, if The Divinity says, “I’m going

to take THAT memory out, its going to take it out of EVERYTHING...all

different galaxies, different dimensions, things you are not even aware of, will

pull it off.”



So, the IDEA is I want YOU to APPRECIATE the fact that as being a Divine

Being at Zero you have enormous [pause] ENORMOUS power by saying, “I

love you.” But you need to know how it works, so that you can appreciate it.

So, I want to come back. Yes, ma’am. We get to clean now: “I love you.

Thank you.” Don’t just sit there like a lump on a log.


Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. Yes, ma’am?

Jillian: It connects me to The Divine.

Dr. Hew Len: I am sorry?

Jillian: It connects ME to the The Divine!

Dr. Hew Len: Yes! So that’s ONE of the things that it’ll do. As soon as you say, “I love

you,” INSTANTLY that connection is made to The Divinity. Instantly! Why

would that be so, David? If that, when you say “I love you,” INSTANTLY

that connection is made with The Divinity. Why would that be so?

David: Because that’s where we came from.



Dr. Hew Len: Yes! Did you hear what David said?

Audience: No.

Dr. Hew Len: “That’s where we came from.” LOVE! Not ANY kind of love, not the kind of

love, “Well, I love you if...”


Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. But, the love that will take you HOME again to a pure state!

That love is when you say, “I love you,” it has three elements in it; three

important elements that you ought to be aware of and appreciate. The first

element is. “I am sorry.” When you say, “I love you,” so sometimes when I

have a back pain, if I am on an airplane, I simply say, “I LOVE YOU!” So, I

am talking to The Divinity because I have something going on in me that

creates this back pain. So, I am saying to The Divinity, “I love you!” So, now,

that “I love you,” that is a PETITION I am saying to The Divinity, “I am sorry

for whatever is going on in ME that is NOT me and I am asking for you to do

whatever is right for me and for that.” That’s the FIRST thing. The first

element is repentance, “I am sorry.” When you say, “I love you,” you are

saying, “I am SORRY for whatever is going on in ME that’s not me.”



The other thing that you are saying is, “Please forgive me.” So, when you say,

“I love you,” you are talking about repentance AND forgiveness. Every time

you say, “I love you,” every time you say, “I thank you,” you are talking

about...you are saying to The Divinity, “I am sorry, Please forgive me,” and

then the Divinity can ONLY do....

The next step is called Transmutation or Transformation and that is to ERASE

these memories and take you back to Zero. YOU can not do it!!! The

conscious mind, The Intellect, has NO ABILITY to come and erase that stuff

to transform that back to Zero.

So, every time that you use this process and several processes are going to be

given, it’s the process of, “I am sorry. Please forgive me,” and then allowing

The Divinity to erase; so, ONLY Divinity can erase. So, I am going to pause

to see if you have any unclarity that I have created on my part. [Pause]

Yes, ma’am? Now, we get to erase as she is talking now!

Female: We are going through the process of saying this over and over and over again

and we may hit or touch on the Zero...but how do we stay there

CONSTANTLY? Does that make sense?

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, OF COURSE!!! So, how would she stay there constantly?



Female: Like, keep saying, “I love you. I am sorry. Please forgive me.”

Dr. Hew Len: [Laughing] Yep! It’s tedious.

Female: [Laughing]

All: [Loud Laughing]

Dr. Hew Len: It’s tedious and particularly it’s tedious because you are looking...you are

looking for what? Results! You are saying to The Divinity, “I am looking for

results, yeah,...”


Dr. Hew Len: ...as opposed to TRUSTING. So in this country, I am talking about the U.S.,

some of you are from other countries, but in THIS country what is our motto,

David, in this...for this country?

David: Trust the government.




Dr. Hew Len: What is our motto?

All: “In God we trust.”

Dr. Hew Len: “In God we trust.” HA!


Dr. Hew Len: What a bunch of bologna, you guys! “In God we trust.” [Raspberry] Yeah! So,

in this great country, the motto is, “In God we trust.” So, when we do our

cleaning, please know when you knock [knocking three times hard] the door

is going to be open EVEN if you don’t see it below your consciousness.

IF YOU ASK, the DOOR WILL OPEN!! It will OPEN...as opposed to you

going, “Did it open?” Oh, my God! You are only aware of one millionth stuff

going on at once and you are trying to make a judgment? What a bunch of

bologna!

Here’s who you are! Zero, created in EXACT LIKENESS of The Divine:

PERFECT, no intentions, no problems, no desires, no nothing!!! No wishes, “I

wish I had more money.” When you are at Zero, it’s all gone. You don’t have

to do ANYTHING with that, but it takes...it’s TEDIOUS WORK to go from

here!!! Because, the enemies are MOUNTAINOUS



[chuckling]...mountainous, as deep as the deep blue sea, the surging and the

moving in your mind of this data, this information just moves like that.

So we...each of us have a particular VORTEX that we are CAUGHT in that

WE have to be responsible for; but if we ALL WORK AS A

FAMILY...because that’s who we are! You see, Zero means that we are all

family, “E pluribus Unum.” “Out of many One.” So, Zero makes us

FAMILY!! Can I say that again? Zero makes us FAMILY!!

At Zero, we don’t acknowledge anything that a religion, a race, a belief, there

is NONE of that that you have to deal with. When you are at Zero, you are

home free; free...like King said, “I am free at last.” But, we are talking about

spiritually, we are free at last! [Pause] The only thing between you and

freedom is your stuff!!

So, I am going to pause and see if you have any unclarity on my part. Yes?

Female: You...I guess...my question to you is...the cleaning that you have done and

you’ve been cleaning for a long time.

Dr. Hew Len: Twenty-five years.

Female: Long before ALL of us here.



Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.

Female: And you are STILL cleaning.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah and I’ll go on until I take my last breath.

Female: That’s the message, that we DON’T STOP cleaning.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, you are right. It’s tedious!

Female: When we think about being at Zero, I don’t see it ever HAPPENING then.

Dr. Hew Len: Oh, it DOES happen. Watch this. You see? All of a sudden without your

awareness and this is why you have to TRUST that The Divinity will do for

you, if you are WILLING TO DO YOUR PART. So, all of a sudden OUT OF

THE STORM comes this LITTLE LIGHT and goes [Whoa (musically sung)]

and you go [Oh!] and you’ve got inspired. One little parting of the

clouds...one little parting of the data; but we are thinking, “Come on, hurry

up! Hurry up! I don’t see anything!” But it’s happening all of the time!

In other words, the Light is hitting you all of the time, but you are not even

AWARE of it. How CAN you? My gosh...out of ONE...here is the level of



consciousness. This is consciousness, this is subconsciousness. One

MILLION below and you are making pronouncements on that? So, you

should give up! You should say, “God, I don’t know” as opposed to most of

us walking around saying, “I know.” Well, you don’t know…. you don’t

know. I mean, you’ve got zillions. You’ve got mountainous...this is what the

message of Jesus and Buddha and all of these; listen, it’s stacked against you!

But you can move MOUNTAINS, if you are willing to be 100% responsible.

But I want you to be clear...this is the ONLY thing between you and you.

That’s it...not your mama, not your papa, NOT ANYBODY! It’s in YOU!! I

think it’s WONDERFUL!

Now, I don’t have to wait up on anybody...as opposed to, “What about you?”

The other person says, “Well, what about you?”

Then, you have psychologists making lots of money because it’s…. we are

into blame. We make TONS of money. Lawyers make TONS of money and

you know EVERYBODY is UNCLEAR? I don’t know...I’ve been doing this

for years, I don’t know any psychologist that is clear...or any lawyer. Do you

know any of them? [Pause]



It’s GREAT! Then you should come home and take care of your OWN stuff,

because nobody else is going to do it for YOU! Because they DON’T KNOW

what’s going on, so when I work, when people email me or in class like this

and somebody will come and talk to me, I know that something is up and I

start cleaning. This is why I’ll stick in this room most of the day. I want to be

in THIS room while this cleaning is going on.

But I want you to be clear. She’s asking a question [tapping], that’s where

she’s coming from. We want to be here, so SHE is doing us a FAVOR! It’s an

OPPORTUNITY to what? To let the mountain GO! So, any time anybody’s

got any...you want to say, “WOW! What an opportunity for me to be 100%

responsible.”

Female: When you are cleaning and I am cleaning, are we cleaning each other? Are we

cleaning the space around us?

Dr. Hew Len: You have to ask the more important question: “Am I 100% responsible for

what is going on in me?” As long as you are clean, there can be a storm

around you, but you might be experiencing that little sunshine and everybody

else can be going crazy.

Female: So it’s. “Focus on your OWN cleaning.”



Dr. Hew Len: It’s ALWAYS been! Have you ever noticed that every time there is a problem

that you are always there?

All: [LOUD laughter!]

Female: I think, that’s...that’s true!

Dr. Hew Len: Well, it’s true for ME!

Female: [Laughing] It’s true!

Dr. Hew Len: And on that note, I would like to take a break, please. Can we just take a

SHORT break? Let’s take a short break, otherwise what happens is a part of

you will walk out the door and you might be there, but you are not home.

[Break]

Joe: I was given this book, The Yale Book of Quotations. I thought I’d read all of

them to you.




Joe: Actually, I was reading it to Dr. Hew Len at breakfast and I opened it up to a

page and he said, “Mark that page and read THAT one.”

It said, “We do not see things as they are, but as we are ourselves.” Henry

Thomlinson, an English novelist said that. But, it doesn’t really matter who

said it, does it?

I’ll open it up again. It’s book of The Yale Book of Quotations. I have no idea

why I have opened it up to this, but I am just going to read it, I don’t know

what it’s going to say, “That old lady, who on borrowing a dictionary from her

municipal library, returned it with a comment ‘A very unusual book indeed,

but the stories are extremely short, aren’t they?’”


Joe: So, rather than keep entertaining you with this, I will bring Dr. Hew Len back

up.

Audience: [Laughing and Clapping]

Dr. Hew Len: Why don’t you...don’t you have any stories you want to tell them about...an

experience that you’ve had...yeah, I am sure that you have a few stories about

how it worked for you or the Earth really well.



Joe: Oh, okay. I am NOT going to bring him back up.


Joe: He said, “Don’t I have a few stories about how this process has worked for

me?” Some of you have HEARD these stories because you’ve heard me talk

about them in Beyond Manifestatio… the first one AND in the second one.

Does anybody remember any of my stories...to remind me?

All: [Chuckling]

Joe: Yes, Cindy. Yes.

Cindy: Well, you shared a couple of GREAT stories how you were so careful about

your eating and then you showed how Dr. Hew Len would go out walking and

he’d go have a chilidog or something.

Joe: Yes.

Cindy: Then you’d ask him, “Are you going to eat a chili dog?”



Joe: Yeah, that story is actually now IN the book Zero Limits. It’s in a chapter

called “Cigars, Hamburgers and Killing the Divine.”


Joe: Nerissa saw that chapter title and said, “That one...I want to read that one

first.”


Joe: She liked that one...and, part of it WAS about smoking cigars. Cigar smoking

has become an ALMOST daily ritual for me. It’s a time where I

PURPOSELY SLOW down and I am relaxing as I have my smoke. Usually,

it’s been outside, of course, the weather has changed, so it’s not been doing

that and while I am doing it, I am just saying, “I love you. I am sorry. Please

forgive me. Thank you.”

Now, when I FIRST started saying those phrases, they were just phrases. They

are just WORDS. One of the things that Dr. Hew Len had taught me when he

first taught EVERYBODY in the seminar that Mark and I were at was the line

that, “You don’t have to FEEL love. You don’t have to FEEL sorry. You just

have to say the phrases.” I think it was a little SNEAKY on HIS PART,

because what I found out was that AS you say them, you begin to FEEL them!



So, I would say, “I love you. I am sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you,” just

my mantra, just saying it because I trust him, because I have been trusting this

process because it’s worked on LITTLE things before. Then I’d sit there and

I’d be looking...and it’s interesting because we have all of these lights,

because in some places when I was sitting outside I would see all of the

STARS, which seem a lot like these lights. As I am looking up and I am

saying, “I love you,” I started to think, “I really DO love you!”


Joe: As I would say, “I am sorry.” I would start to feel, “Oh, my God, I really AM

sorry and please FORGIVE me and then, thank you.” What was going on,

because I am getting electrocuted here because I am feeling all of the chills

going up and down my spine and I am connected right now to The Divine, as I

am saying this. What I was feeling is that...first of all, I DO LOVE YOU! Oh,

my God, I am ALIVE at a time of MAGIC AND MIRACLES and I am

experiencing the most DIVINE breakthroughs, not just personally and

professionally, but just the FACT that I am ALIVE BREATHING at this time

in history. This is the time of magic and miracles. So, I am kind of saying, “I

love you,” to The Divine. Its like, “I feel the love. I FEEL the LOVE!! It is

love! I am feeling love. Love connected in me and love connected to It!”



Then I would say, “Please forgive me,” and what am I asking forgiveness for?

I am not asking for forgiveness from It from The Divine, from the Zero State.

I am asking for forgiveness of MYSELF because I wasn’t REALIZING the

LOVE! It’s like, ‘Oh, God! I didn’t KNOW that you were showering this

LOVE on me! Please forgive me. I am SORRY! I am sorry because I wasn’t

AWARE! I was asleep!” I STILL fall asleep...that’s why I have to have a

cigar [chuckle] to go through this whole thing again, virtually every day, and

then, “THANK YOU!” because of the experience of world… found

GRATITUDE to be ALIVE, to be ONE with that State, to be able to have that

report. I swear that cigar moment becomes a Satori experience for me!

To the best of my ability I am saying, “I love you. I am sorry. Please forgive

me. Thank you,” ALL DAY LONG!!! Many of you have heard me say that

before, right down to when I am saying it when I am in bed, going to sleep, so

I am imagining that my mind is taking on that software programming and it’s

saying it while I am sleeping! What I keep reminding myself is that ALL of

the cleaning that has to be done is NOT ‘OUT THERE’...it’s not with any

ONE person. If anybody is saying anything to me, like the email that came up,

shared program, they’ve got the M. I’ve got the M. What I’ve got to do on my

board over here is say, “I am sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. I love

you.” Now, as that dissolves, it seems to dissolve over THERE and not just

OVER there, but if you happen to be sharing the program, the same thing

happens.



So, BECAUSE I keep doing this, I seem to be having a much more

PEACEFUL, GRATEFUL LIFE! I still get stressed, but for the MOST part I

am riding a wave of very BUSY prosperity doing things like flying to Miami,

talking to people who want to have my own reality TV show and hearing from

the Oprah people who want me to go on Oprah to talk about the movie The

Secret. That’s interesting, too. Let’s talk about that for a real quick moment.

I get this call saying I am one of like six people that are being considered to be

on The Oprah Show. There are twenty-four teachers in the movie The Secret. I

am ONE of them, and they’ve honed it down to six or seven that they wanted

to be on the show. So, they were going to do a pre-interview with ME. They

wanted to do the airing I think it was yesterday. They wanted to record the

show. It would have been yesterday, I would have been in Chicago. I went

through the pre-interview and everything and part of my mind was thinking,

“I am WAY PAST The Secret.” I LIKE the movie The Secret. I encourage

EVERYBODY to see the movie The Secret, but when I did the Beyond

Manifestation Weekend, I was telling everybody, “You can watch that movie,

but I think that we are going PAST that!” When we come here to Zero Limits,

I am thinking that we are going WAY PAST THAT, even DEEPER than that.

So, I think that Oprah picked up on that [Chuckling], so I wasn’t invited to be

on the show! I thought, “That’s GREAT, from a Divine standpoint I didn’t

want to go SO CLOSE to this actual event taking place. All I could imagine



was I’d be in Chicago, I’d be snowed in and I couldn’t come back and I

wouldn’t be here for the event.” So, when I got the call saying that they are

passing on you on The Oprah Show this time around, I was RELIEVED!

Then, I also thought, and then again, I am CLEANING the whole time that

this is going on, “I am loving you. I am sorry.” I am doing ALL of the

phrases, ALL of the time that this is going on, DOING MY BEST TO TRUST

THE PROCESS. Trust is such an IMPORTANT word in ALL of this! So,

while this is going on and I am still cleaning and everything, I realized that “I

NOW KNOW the people who decide who goes on Oprah! I don’t WANT TO

GO on, because of the movie The Secret. I want to go on, with HIM! (Joe is

pointing over to Dr. Len).

Dr. Hew Len: NO! [Laughing]


Dr. Hew Len: We want him to go ALONE! [Chuckling]


Joe: That’s what he said yesterday!



Female: I’m sorry.


Dr. Hew Len: [Chuckling]

Joe: All I thought was, “I’ll just CLEAN on that!”


Audience: [Laughing and clapping]

Joe: So, to give you any sort of story here, what I am doing on a moment-by-

moment basis is CONSTANT CLEANING, which puts me in the MOMENT

in a state of GRATITUDE and a state of TRUST. As I keep telling myself and

when I spoke to my mentors...I have a mentoring program at

www.MiraclesCoaching.com and a couple of the coaches are here...I spoke to

them one day and I was telling them that I really think that the secret to living

a WONDERFUL, PROSPEROUS LIFE is to REALIZE that if you can BE

RIGHT HERE IN THIS MOMENT, and I mean almost nobody IS, but if we

could be right here in this moment with TOTAL GRATITUDE, we are OPEN

for the inspiration he referred to EARLIER to SHINE IN. When that shines in,



in that moment, we DO whatever that IS, and it takes care of the NEXT

moment.

In the past, I always wanted to orchestrate everything, strategize everything,

CONTROL everything, map out everything, so I KNEW what I was going to

do this weekend, what I was going to do the following week, have my game

plan, have my strategy. Now, I have found out that is one of the GREATEST

LIMITATIONS I could ever think of!! I never PLANNED to be on Larry

King. I never PLANNED to have Oprah call. I never planned for a lot of my

books to work out. I never planned to hear about this therapist, to end up

working with him, possibly being in a movie with him [chuckling].


Joe: He said Robert DeNiro should play his part in the movie.

Audience: [Loud laughing] Whoo-Hoo!


Joe: He’s saying get a good Italian man is what he thought he needed in there.



I NEVER THOUGHT ANY of that! What I am finding out is that if I STAY

in the moment, I keep CLEANING, the opportunities keep coming and what I

do is just say, “Yes” to them, even when they are stretching my comfort zone,

“Say ‘Yes’ to them!” Because when I am stretching my comfort zone,

something else to CLEAN! It’s just saying that there is something else for me

to clean! So, for me, in some ways, I feel like I am reducing everything to

such a kindergarten one message level. JUST CLEAN ALL THE TIME!!!

You don’t have to do ALL of the other techniques. You don’t have to do all of

the other methods. You MIGHT!! You might WANT TO! It might come out

of your MOMENT. It might come out of your Inspiration, but what I am

finding out is that the ADVANCED METHOD seems to be the method that

HE used ON HIMSELF to heal the entire ward of mentally ill criminals,

which is going to be SUCH a GREAT MOVIE, after such a GREAT BOOK!

So, do you have any questions of me?

Female: Joe, I have a question.

Joe: Okay.

Female: I heard you say to do that it will put us in the MOMENT, however, what

happens to ME, I find myself saying it over and over and over again and then

finding I am thinking about something else! So, I don’t understand the



pendulumous effect. If I am thinking of something else and I am saying it over

and over, it can’t really mean “I love you.”

Joe: That’s what you want to CLEANSE on, so that you end up being back in the

moment.

You see, one of the things that was going on, yesterday, when I told you I got

the hand grenade by email that leveled me. I laid down for awhile and I am

doing, “I love you. I am sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you,” over and over

and over and I am SURE it was about an hour. I wasn’t keeping track of time,

I was just DOING it! At some point, the thought came across my brain, it just

kind of wandered in, “Isn’t there a faster way to do this? One an hour.”


Joe: So, I thought isn’t there a SHORT CUT? You know, I got four phrases now,

“Can I reduce it to ONE?” I mean, this is what’s going on in my head. So, I

wander over later and I am visiting with Dr. Hew Len and I TOLD him all of

this. I said, “NOW I am looking for the short cut. You gave me the four

phrases. I want to know the ONE phrase or the one STATEMENT.” He

laughed out loud because this is like a memory showing up. This is a question

that’s taking me from the moment.



He said, “Well, one that shows up is ‘tombstone.’”

Huh? Tombstone? Why did I like to be around this guy? I mean.... [Chuckle]


Joe: Level ten shock waves coming my way, all the shit is going to hit the fan, now

tombstone. What he meant by it was it’s an image! When you turn over any

rock that’s been there for a long time, whether it’s a tombstone or a rock that

you find out in the woods or something, what do you see on the other side?

Male: Worms.

Joe: Worms, darkness, dirt, stuff that needs cleaned.

So he said, “Just in your mind, flip over a tombstone. It will air it, like when

you aerate the ground, the grass and so forth.” That’s another way that you

can do some cleaning.

So, again though, it all comes back to NON-STOP CLEANING. EVEN when

I have the thoughts, “How can I speed up the cleaning?” Where is that coming

from? He referred to it earlier. My Western mind, the entrepreneurial spirit,

wants RESULTS! If I am not getting results, I want to do something else. So,



I am saying, “I love you.” I am still feeling it for a little while, the pain, so I’m

thinking, “Where’s the next step? Where’s the next one?” Well, even my

WONDERING IT is taking me from the moment!! There is another question.

It seems like it’s over there. Who’s got the question? Yeah, okay.

Woman: You talked about Dr. Hew Len. You talked about the shit hitting the fan when

this comes out.

Joe: Yep.

Woman: You are basically...I’ve lived out in the woods...all analyzing, all judging, all

diagnosing. I mean in psychotherapy.

Joe: Yes!

Woman: All stories.

Joe: Yes.

Woman: The long stories...

Joe: Yes.



Woman: ...over and over again. You are BASICALLY....

Joe: Throwing it out the window!

Woman: ...throwing it out the window!

Joe: Exactly!!

Woman: The therapist is going to go, “OH!!”

Joe: Yeah!! I think that’s what’s going to push buttons in a lot of therapists, but I

wasn’t THINKING about that. I wasn’t PERCEIVING it as that. They are

going to look at it and go, “You are not going to NEED ME.” They are going

to feel THREATENED.

Woman: Oh, YEAH!!

Joe: They are going to say.... In fact, he’s TOLD me. I said, “When people come to

you on a therapeutic level, how do you work with them?”

One of the FIRST things he asked them is, “Tell me your story.” He doesn’t

want to know the STORY because that’s the PROBLEM. The story is what

they are going to say from the “M” level, that’s the tip of the iceberg. It’s just



where you START. He wants to clean what’s UNDERNEATH it! But the

story just gives them something to talk about, anchors them in that moment,

while he can do the cleansing.

That’s why I even got this email yesterday was by a person who was

threatened...threatened. I put them out of business and they don’t like that!

Yeah.

Female: So, Joe.

Joe: Yes?

Female: That’s true, and yet it’s not true if I understood what we are talking about

here, if we are actually the opposite.

Joe: Well, I am with YOU on THAT. But see, again...see, this is interesting

because we can talk about those other therapists and we can talk about the shit

hitting the fan, we can talk about reviewers and critics and all of that kind of

stuff, what really matters?

Female: Us.

Joe: ME!!



Female: Right.

Joe: Me! So, when all of this, if any of this shows up...you see, what I am trying to

do when I say that is I am cleaning NOW. He’s already alerted me. I am

cleaning NOW, so when the book comes out in JUNE, hopefully I’ve cleaned

up a WHOLE lot of this. Whatever HITS, won’t be...

Female: I don’t think so!

Joe: Well, THANK you!!


Female: Memory! Memory!

Joe: Can I hear from somebody else?


Joe: Can I get a second opinion?



Female: Memory! Well, coming from a therapist’s background, this is such a RELIEF

for me!

Joe: Ah!

Female: The clients are always going to be there. They are not going to go away and it

gives ME something to do in their presence.

Joe: Yeah! This is a good point! You know what? I was talking to Dr. Hew Len

about my Miracles Coaching program.

I said, “Well, I’ve got these people that are working with other people, what is

the BEST way for them to talk to them? How do they interact with them?”

He says, “Just LOVE THEM.”

“What does that mean?”

He says, “Just love them!” He says, “What is it that EVERYBODY wants?”

Audience: Love.

Joe: We want love! We want recognition! We want to be acknowledged!



So, if they ARE being loved, and I mean that you are saying it in your mind as

you are in front of those people and you are saying, “I love you. I am sorry.

Please forgive me. Thank you.” You are doing your CLEANSING for

whatever shows up when they are talking to you, they will LIKE BEING

AROUND YOU!” So, my GUESS is they will actually RETURN TO YOU

for more of the good FEELING! This is my...That’s my own HUNCH! Yes?

Lady: I’d like to share about that...

Joe: Yes.

Lady: ...because I get to do that every day with your clients.

Joe: She IS with the Miracles Coaching program.

Lady: I have to tell you, my experience of LOVE and being with those people with

EVERY phone call it’s just the MOST AMAZING GIFT to ME. I’m doing

your...you know, doing the...

Joe: Cleansing?



Lady: “I love you. I am sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you,” WHILE I am listening

to that and THEY TOTALLY have the experience of being loved being on

that call.

Joe: Wow!

Lady: Totally...because, they ALWAYS acknowledge it when we get off the phone,

they tell me, “It’s such a difference to talk to you.” It’s SHOCKING to me,

it’s such a surprise, but that’s what THEY experience when they are on the

call.

Joe: But, do they KNOW that you are doing that?

Lady: No!

Joe: So, they don’t have...

Lady: Well, SOME of them...

Joe: Yeah.

Lady: But I don’t tell them that I AM doing that...we talk about the technique, what

is possible and limiting beliefs.



Joe: You see, I LOVE this! I LOVE this! When I am talking to ANYBODY and I

am not doing it therapeutic, but I am having conversations with people, inside

my mind, I AM LISTENING TO THEM, but I am saying, “I love you. I am

sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.”

Lady: Yeah!

Joe: I am CLEANSING whatever comes up, ALL OF THE TIME. I am doing it

when I am having conversations with YOU! It is now the background chatter

for me. I am doing NON-STOP CLEANSING ALL of the time, ALL of the

time.

Lady: Can I say one more thing?

Joe: Yeah.

Lady: The OTHER thing that I find is IT HELPS ME BE PRESENT...

Joe: Oh!



Lady: ...to what they are saying, because I don’t have MY mind going a mile a

minute like, “Well, why aren’t they taking responsibility?” I don’t have the

judgments that normally are there!

Joe: Right.

Lady: They are REPLACED by that chant...the whatever it is.

Joe: Yes. The mantra, the chant, the four phrases.

Lady: The phrases say that.

Joe: Yes.

Lady: So, all is present. It’s who THEY ARE and what’s possible for THEM! I’m

not even there, really.

Joe: [Chuckle] I UNDERSTAND the experience. Yes?

Male: I am curious. Last time we were here Francine would not start up. What

happened afterwards? How did that shift?



Joe: He’s referring to my car, which you are all going to see a picture of, because I

have a cleansing tool according to Dr. Hew Len. It’s coming up, so I’ll pass it

now. The last time that Dr. Hew Len was here...I’ll give you a chance to speak

sooner or later, but you gave me the mike so now I’m on a roll.


Dr. Hew Len: Please be my guest.


Joe: I have a luxury exotic sports car. It’s a hand made, very rare, pretty expensive

car. It’s a Panoz. Some people pronounce it Pay-nose, but a Panoz / Pay-nose

the one I have...thank you, I’d like everybody to have one...is Francine. So,

some of you know about Francine. I made a...Nerissa made the business card

based on a photo that your husband took a picture of one time. After I showed

Dr. Hew Len this business card, he said this is a cleansing tool. I started

sweeping it all over me and I would hand it out to people knowing that I am

cleansing everybody.




Joe: So, I am passing out that business card! Whether it’s a cleansing tool or not,

boy, it’s got me passing out business cards. Look what’s happening right now!

Everybody gets a business card. [Chuckling]

The last time I did a seminar, I had told everybody I was going to bring

Francine to the event. I went to go do it, Mark was with me over at the house,

because he was admiring the car and he wanted to hear it start up. It wouldn’t

start up. This was a brand new car! It wouldn’t start up!! We tried everything

that we could think of. The next day it wouldn’t start.

All I could imagine was that Francine didn’t want to be left alone out here in

the parking lot. She is used to being pampered. She is used to having all kinds

of...you know, bathed every night [chuckling], her hair stroked [chuckling]...


Joe: ...loving comments said to her, moments of admiration...but, she wouldn’t

start. So, I didn’t bring her and it was a disappointment to most people. A lot

of people wondered, “Did she start on Monday morning after the event? So,

was it kind of like a psychic type of thing?” No, she did not start on Monday

morning. She had to be towed. She had to have some repair done and now she

starts. She runs and all of that kind of stuff. I am NOT bringing her over here

in this kind of weather. She would have RAIN on her. [Chuckling]




Joe: But the card is a cleansing tool. What is interesting is that the Panoz crest, you

can see it on the front of the car just BARELY, but that Panoz crest according

to Dr. Hew Len is ALSO a cleansing tool. So, you are getting a double

whammy, by just LOOKING AT that business card! I felt so strongly about

that, that’s being REPRODUCED IN OUR BOOK Zero Limits.

I don’t know how we got on that but...you asked me about the car?

Female: No, how it lies.

Male: Yeah. The curiosity of it is, “Is it the car...or is it YOU?”

Joe: It’s ME!! It’s me! It’s me in ALL OF THIS! I pulled in the email. It’s me in

the car not working. It’s me! It’s ALL ME!

Mark: I got two cents of that...

Joe: Okay.



Mark: ...for a car objective. From MY spin of it, it would...Joe and I were wanting to

spend some TIME together and he was busy. He didn’t know he HAD that

time.

Joe: Yeah.

Mark: So, I was looking FORWARD to spending that time WITH him and I just

started cleaning on it.

He said, “If it happens, it happens. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t.”

Then, when the thing with Francine, we got to spend two AMAZING DAYS

TOGETHER!

Joe: We got to spend two days together because HE spent that time WITH me! The

car had to be towed to San Antonio. He drove me to San Antonio. We hung

out in San Antonio thinking that the car would be done that day. It wasn’t

until the NEXT day. He hung out with me that EVENING. He took me to San

Antonio the next DAY! So, from HIS perspective, this was like a

WONDERFUL GIFT!!

Mark: Maybe Francine HAD left me a gift.



Joe: Well, we’re giving a lot of credit to Francine! I think it was ME and in his

case, his perspective, it was HIM, pulling this all together. But I am glad that

you brought it up.

Let me get Jillian. She’s had her hand up there.

Jillian: Oh, I was just thinking about the therapy question that everyone was talking

about.

Joe: Yeah.

Jillian: I trained thirty years ago at a Psychiatric Institute, so my original training was

Foreagan and all of the other schools of therapy that were prevalent at that

time. But what I have seen in my therapist that I know is that everyone is

REALIZING that what is missing is the spiritual aspect. So, people and

therapists have become more interested in meditation and hypnosis and magic.

The kind of “magic” that we are talking about where we are NOTICING that

our thoughts are powerful and our words are powerful and that we are

constantly creating. So, I think that the whole therapeutic community, with the

exception of some Forebeats who have their heels dug in, I think the whole

therapeutic community is changing and growing and accepting new choice.

Joe: Good to hear. I think Craig had his hand up and then I’ll come back to you.



Craig: I was just going to say that at another level of the Francine actually the two

days with Mark was that you ended up coming up to MY house...

Joe: Oh, yes!

Craig: ...and working with a couple in our neighborhood that has got quite a lot out

of that, so...the WHOLE THING kind of started with...

Joe: ...the car not starting.

Craig: Yeah.

Joe: Look at all of the miracles now.

Craig: Exactly.

Joe: Yes?

Male: I was going to say while the four statements or mantra is therapeutic for

everything; there is a power to it, as you are talking to someone being

engaged. But as you slept, it’s a very important and very helpful tool in

general for people, in just DOING the people, if you direct it to someone. I am



an attorney. I misstep or I have made promises that I write people...calling me

and I like to say, “I am sorry. Please forgive me,” and direct it to them, then

any kind of tension...

Joe: would have been diffused.

Male: ...diffuses and is very effective. You can tell it’s for healing.

Joe: Yeah, I understand. I understand. You know what? This is ALL very

interesting, but I can’t help but feel that we are kind of on a level ABOVE the

Zero State, because even when we talk about techniques, we talk about

Francine or stories or thoughts, all of this kind of stuff. I think this is all “M”

stuff. This is all memory stuff.

Where I REALLY WANT to be is white board; I want to be here, so that I can

hear inspiration just come in and if I am THAT CLEAR and an inspiration

comes in, I don’t even question it. If I question it, what am I doing? There is a

memory. Why am I questioning it? I am questioning it because I am one step

removed FROM the connection of the inspiration from The Divine.

This is why I keep doing the cleansing! From what I understand how this

works and how The Divine wants to work THROUGH me is I want to be SO



CLEAR at this white board, white space, zero state, zero limits, that when

Inspiration comes I just do it! I just do it!

People look back and go, “Wow! That was amazing what you did!”

I just did it! I was like a puppet for The Divine. That’s a new phrase I have

been using. I have been “a puppet for The Divine.” Suzanne finished the

bibliography of my life work TO DATE and we thought it might take a couple

of days. It took her over a MONTH, wasn’t it...something like that? We

thought it would be a few pages long. It was forty-five pages long of books,

audios, ebooks, video products, websites, projects, on-and-on and on-and-on.

Now, when I LOOKED at it, I was like, “Holy Smokes! I’ve done quite a bit!

[Chuckle] Wow!!” I was impressed...forty-five pages long!! But I have to

admit, a whole LOT of it, some of it I consciously thought about, but a

WHOLE LOT OF IT just kind of came through when I was doing my thing.

I keep finding out...I’ve met quite a few celebrities like I talked about James

Cann. He’s one that is coming to mind right now. When I talk to somebody

like that, he’s a SUPERSTAR! He’s a major celebrity! You try to investigate

his...how did he become an actor or how did he make these choices...You

know what? He doesn’t have a clue anymore than you or I about our OWN

ROLES! Why am I a writer? Why am I an author? Why have I written all of



these books? I FEEL LIKE The Divine...this CERTAINLY didn’t come from

my...nobody read books in my family! My father read ONE book the entire

time that I was there...ONE book!!! I feel that The Divine kind of nudged it

and I was a puppet and I said, “Yeah.” I could have said, “No,” but I said,

“Yes.” This is what I think.

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