311 The Dentists Diary

That was certainly an action packed if not a tad predictable Challenge Cup final wasn’t it?

A deal of credit must go to Warrington who have risen from ‘also ran’s’ just seven or eight years ago to probably the best Cup fighting team in the Country. They have a new Stadium, a good young owner who puts his money where his mouth is and a great coach, as well as many passionate and committed fans. There are certainly some parallels between us and them and with the way that Pearson, McRae and Gentle are trying to get things moving at the KC, so we can only hope that we move in the same direction. However it has been a long steady climb for the Wolves and these things don’t happen overnight.

The other thing that Warrington have also done is to go out and paid transfer fee’s to sign the best players when they are available, (and sometimes, to the disdain of other Club, when they aren’t). That looks too to be something that Pearson is willing to do at Hull and must auger well for our future. Simon Moran has seen a deal of set back’s, but held firm over the years and that is what we must hope to see from Pearson.

Meanwhile back in the more humdrum world of Hull FC, with no game this week the players have had a few days off and enjoyed a couple of excursions to Alton Towers and to York Races, while we the fans have been left to lick our wounds after Widnes and to speculate on just who we will be signing for next season. So in this week’s Diary we look at that at what happens

to you if you grumble about referee’s, there’s more wiffs, a look at a great second row forward from the 50’s and 60’s and a long examination of the age old conundrum (as far as FC fans are concerned) of just why, over the years we always seem to find it difficult to beat ‘the Widnes’s’ of this world!

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I talked last week about the Gentle jig-saw coming together with the signing of Chris Green and it continued to take shape with the news that Danny Nicklas has been given a one year deal to see if he can consolidate the promise and improvement he has show this season. You’ll remember that Danny suffered a horrendous pre season injury last year that kept him out for most of last season and I thought that perhaps under Agar he would be another young half back that would (like Anthony Thackerey), slip through the net due to lack of chances in the first team. For any aspiring team in the British competition the opportunity to be great has to be firmly based on the ability to bring youngsters through the ranks and so it’s good to see us once again strengthen our squad. Gentle said that he was impressed with Danny in pre season and gave him his chance as he promised he would, with any youngster that showed promise.

I have to say I’ve been pretty impressed myself when, often in difficult circumstances, Danny has stepped up this year. Take for instance that game against Wigan away a few weeks back when under tremendous pressure he came on and tried to make things happen in a typical performance. The length of the deal indicates that the Club ain’t sure yet, but at least Danny

has a chance to secure a role at the Club and offers some much needed depth at half back. Let’s hope he has some new mentors in that position to learn from!

Tom Lineham’s operation on his ankle this week went well and all the bones have been pinned together that after 6 weeks with no weight bearing on it he can start his rehab and with a fair wind will be back in full training by the end of the year.

The best legal brains in the Country (in the immigration field at least) are now working to ensure that the Club secure the signing of Rangi Chase. They are arguing not just about getting him a visa but also about why there are differences between the way that footballers are treated compared with how RL players are dealt with. Rangi is desperate to play for us and can’t wait to get it sorted and with the Holdsworth deal complete and awaiting announcement, (according to the Hull Daily Mail), then the ‘dream team’ half back scenario is almost complete. I would, I guess, have liked Brough, but sources in Huddersfield indicate that he isn’t going anywhere and tied to another three years of his current deal with an option clause after that. Hull asked about him, because Danny would have come, but were quoted a phenomenal amount as a transfer fee which our owner was heard to indicate was getting on for being equivalent to half the salary cap.

Well the Whiffs seasons is drawing to a close and as we look forward to the announcements of our new signings speculation is rife. I was looking this week at just how much Australian players are being paid under the new sponsorship and Salary

Cap arrangements over there and quite frankly, unless we sign either players who have not yet made the grade or ones that come with a deal of baggage, (like the half back Rovers have brought in), then I struggle to see just who we will attract to this country to play at any Club in Super League. I honestly believe that we have already secured the accolade of having captured the best import player for 2013 with the return home of the ‘exiled’ Gareth Ellis myself! So if it’s unlikely we will see any big name Aussies here just who have we signed then? Well, it is likely to be young talented British players that make up the majority of the signings or at least Aussies who are based in this country.

I still wouldn’t rule out Olivier Elima the Bradford prop, as being a possibility and then there is Shannon McDonnell at Rovers, who some would have us believe signed a deal to come to us after just playing two games for the East Hull outfit! Word is that Gentle wanted him before he signed for Rovers but had to go with McKinnon who Agar had already signed. It will however be all rumours and conjecture in the City for another week at least. As for Scott Taylor, well my sources at Rovers tell me they would rather see him rot for a year in the Under 20’s than sell him to us, which is pretty short sighted because if they do that they won’t get a fee for him when he leaves! Others of course know better and according to them he is signing.

Thank goodness common sense has prevailed and Rugby League’s Super League clubs have voted to change the anti tampering rules from next season. The 1st September deadline was a joke, because all the Clubs knew that others were talking to their out of contract players (and some that weren’t out of

contract ) well before then, but whether the new 1st May idea will be much better is debatable really. I still think my original suggestion of a player that is out of contract being free to negotiate with other Clubs anytime in the last year of their contract, is the best idea, not because it gets things sorted well in advance, but more because it offers a deal of added security for the players themselves and their families. But I suppose it’s a step in the right direction, although perhaps the transfer window ‘set up’ that they have in football, would be worth investigating too.

At a meeting of Super league Clubs last Wednesday it was decided that there would be 14 Clubs in Super League next season. It wasn’t a surprise, as the ‘RL mafia’ closed ranks against Hudge, Pearson and three other Chairmen who wanted a reduction in numbers in the premier division so that there is more cash and young players to go round a game that is visibly creaking. That action, of course, almost guarantees Bradford a place next year. That’s something that, try as I may, I feel a bit aggrieved about really, because by going into receivership they have broken the rules of the Franchise system and if a new owner comes in, they shouldn’t be presented with a clean slate to start again.

But that’s just ‘old fashioned me’ and perhaps my thoughts are based on a nagging concern that if it was us in that position, I doubt the RL would have bent over backwards to save Hull FC. I know they helped with the merger in 1999, but times have changed since then and I often think that they would get rid of both the two ‘awkward’ Clubs (and their Chairmen) at the end of the M62 if they could. Just my thoughts of course but there is

little doubt that had it been Hull or Rovers we wouldn’t have seen the massive effort and rule bending that has gone on to keep Bradford in!!

So a new season ticket scheme is unveiled and the hand of Pearson shows itself in a whole new concept and a massive improvement in our sales technique. Despite the fact that in the end there is a price increase of £10 and £5, it’s being hailed almost universally as a good deal and that is good marketing! I did speculate that prices would go up and they have, but the other stuff offering added value is first class and while everyone is being charged an increase, no one is complaining because by and large everyone feels that it is a good deal, particularly when compared with some of the debacles we have seen in the past. In fact I only have to buy a new tyre for my car, to get our increase back.

OK there are drawbacks, primarily that increase in price, the fact that everyone who takes up the Direct Debit scheme will again pay a handling charge of £10, and that the discount period now runs out before the fixtures are out, but as far as ‘issues’ are concerned that’s it really. On the plus side there are several benefits which appear to well outweigh those little drawbacks, including an extended five month direct debit scheme with immediate entry to all the prize draws from the minute you sign up for the first payment, ‘Club Hull’ with all its discount offers, the re-introduction of student tickets, a virtual season pass for those exiled fans living out of town and abroad and I guess, the promise of many new faces coming into the Club. In addition we also know well in advance that with the

exception of televised games at home, this season we will be playing the rest on a Friday night.

Aside for all that though, the thing that interested me was the fact that season tickets are being sold from our two shops and not as usual through the SMC ticket office, and it’s certainly handy having a sales outlet in the City Centre. I wonder what all that is a about? Perhaps like seems to be happening everywhere else in the Stadium, the ticket office were introducing increased charges for commission on sales, who knows?

Still I like the people who work in our shop they are first Class and there is no doubt that they will get through the work and help us all out. I’ve been ‘saving up’ all year, as I always do, for my pass and will be down there as is my tradition on Monday 3rd September, and no doubt meeting Tony Roberts and all the other ‘First Dayers’ I always see in the queue; we’ve all done it for years.

I will reserve judgement as to whether we will actually ever get to the magic 10,000, because that will depend on signings, the hype surrounding these acquisitions, economic pressures etc. but the Club are to keep the fans updated on sales progress on almost a daily basis so we’ll all know how things are going. One thing is for sure, seldom has a new ticket scheme, and a price increase, been greeted with such universal acceptance and such little resistance from the fans. That’s down, without doubt, to the influence of Adam, in whom, judging by the response to

the release of the brochures, it appears at present at least, we all still ‘Trust’.

There was a real ‘firestorm’ for about an hour on twitter, Face-book and the RL fans message board on Wednesday when several folks thought that there was a picture of Scott Taylor in an England shirt on the back of the Hull FC season ticket brochure. It was soon identified as being young James Cunningham and the euphoria that perhaps we had signed the Rovers starlet soon abated, but it’s typical of what is happening at present and it was fun while it lasted! Adam of course fuelled a fire of speculation that was already burning bright, when he announced again in the Daily Mail on Thursday that we had signed several new players explaining, “We've got seven players in the bag already and we are pushing for a couple more. We are strengthening the squad as much as possible between now and the start of pre-season. We are really happy with the signings we have made and the ones we are hoping to make and we are confident we will be a real challenger next season”

Still we should start to see just who these mysterious signings are next week, although I don’t think they will all come at once as some think and a trickle of announcements to fuel season ticket sales will be my betting as to what will happen. It’s hard to know whether Adam is counting Arundel and Ellis in those 7, but even if he is, that still leaves another 5 to 7 to arrive at the Club, although it’s pretty safe to say that young Crookes the winger from Bradford will be one of them. I expect us to also be in for a couple of props a second rower, a full-back and two half backs. That is, I think, pretty exciting stuff really. Although no doubt the incoming players that our owner is “Really happy about”, won’t suit everyone out there and there will be some

who are surprised and a few who will be disappointed. Wasn’t it always so!

My pal Jed contacted me this week to give me information of a few of the events that he is organising for Yeamo’s Testimonial year. One that I’ve got a couple of tickets for already takes place on 1st December 2012 when one of the best local cover bands you are ever likely to see, The Costello's, play a benefit concert at the Albert Hotel on Anlaby Road. Doors Open from 7pm and the tickets which include a buffet are priced at only £10. There will also be an auction, a special raffle with a big advert calendar with prizes behind each window and several first team players in attendance. Over 150 tickets have already been snapped up and if you need any further information contact Jed on 07780 117302 or at redman111497@hotmail.com. It should be a great night!

With a welcome week off from the roller coaster that is watching the Club we love, I think after last weekend’s game at Widnes, it’s worth spending a bit of time looking at the ‘million dollar question’ on everyone’s lips since then, which has to be, why do we fail so much and so often against lesser teams? Plus, perhaps what is even more pertinent, the ongoing riddle of why has that situation been going on for so many years at our Club? Another disappointing nay disastrous display against what should have been a team there to be beaten last Saturday, saw a situation best described by most of us FC ‘pilgrims’ (who wander the country seeing, all too often, that sort of stuff), as ‘same old, same old’. However when you look a little closer, although it’s the ‘same’ rubbish, just how ‘old’ it actually is makes it even more of a puzzle.

I believe that it’s something of a conundrum really, because when you look closely at our Club since the day that Shaun McRae departed as our Coach, we have always showed the

same pattern of usually competing and sometimes winning the games against the big teams, while invariably not turning up when it comes to playing the lower profile ‘bread and butter’ games. These are of course the games that perhaps don’t seem as important on paper, but are times when we should be accruing points. No matter whether we have had new owners, new players and particularly new coaches we still show the same traits and inability to focus mentally for the required length of time in those games which we are expected to win. What is so staggering however is that with the exception of Andy Last, Sue Smith and Tony Sutton, we have probably not got a single member of staff that has survived at the Club throughout the duration of that 7 year period? We have had 4 Coaches in that time, who all failed to bottom it, as well as a couple of hundred different players at all levels in the Club. It’s not so much about the current personnel, but rather almost an inherent culture and a hereditary failing specific to Hull FC which looks, at times, impossible to shake.

It’s hard to fathom and so bloody frustrating for us fans because although all those personal on and off the field have departed and been replaced we still have this reoccurring mindset season after season which eventually has seen, I believe, fans drifting away from the Club in a state of bemused frustration and even anger. How often have you looked at an up and coming fixture and said, “I know what’s going to happen here” and how regularly has your prediction come true? I would hope that Pearson will bottom this problem, but before he can he probably has to try to identify just what this reoccurring blight that seems to lurk in the very DNA of our club is all about.

When trying to understand things perhaps our first port of call should be to look no further than the sumptuous surrounding of Poorhouse Lane in the ‘People’s Republic of Greatfield’. There has been a real ‘sea change’ over at Rovers this season because for the first time they seem to have the same sort of problems as we have, but it’s a new problem to them, that was never apparent under Justin Morgan. In the last few seasons whether we like it or not, the Dobbins always seemed to have more wanting, more passion and indeed a closer allegiance to their fans particularly when they played us in Local Derby’s. I’ve discussed it in here on several occasions and if we’re honest, it was a scenario that baffled and infuriated us all.

Thankfully, for us at least, Sandracock doesn’t seem to have the same sort of motivational skills as Morgan and the whole siege mentality that has prevailed at Craven Park, has fallen apart of late. For me in the past, Morgan and Hudge always majored on adversity, playing on where they had come from, their inferior facilities and the quality of their Stadium and being the ‘Poor relations in the City’ a ploy that has over the years, served them very well.

They have used those elements of the clubs circumstances to motive the team to consistently (up to this year) perform above their perceived position in the game. So does this analogy about our noisy neighbours across the river hold the key to our problems when playing lesser teams? Well perhaps if it doesn’t proffer the answer, at least it gives us inkling as to why we have the problem in the first place.

Is the issue actually that year on year and season on season the players and staff at the Club feel that they are, (because of our Stadium, supporter base, training facilities etc) the top dogs in the City and ‘better’ than a lot of other Clubs in the competition. Those elements of the make-up of our Club are the things that have been consistent over the years and perhaps they have consolidated a mind set in successive ‘generations’ of our players of ‘We are a good team so we have a right to be winners’? Does this false sense of security emanate from a psyche in the Club that we are entitled to be successful against teams that are below us without really trying too hard? In fact does that attitude, as it comes across from our personnel, actually motivate other Clubs to raise their game against us? Some players would be mortified if you suggested that was the case but it seems everything changes but that particular infuriating shortcoming and for me it certainly indicates that perhaps that is at least part of the problem.

In those years when we (sort of privately) envied the culture over the river and the way that they came through seemingly against all odds and consistently finished higher than us, did they use their adversity as a motivational tool? They always had a Chairman who used that under-dog tag to wind up the fans and players alike. He then made signings like Cockaigne and Newton, who, whatever you thought about them, (and I detested then) would run their blood to water to see Rovers beat the old enemy, and do it at any costs. The only time that they actually got caught out, was when they got ‘up themselves’ a bit and started, as I think perhaps we do, to believe their own publicity. That was when we saw the dyed hair and practising try celebrations stuff, before we stuffed ‘em at the KC! That day they fell flat on their faces, but as long as Morgan drummed the

‘hard done to’ philosophy into them week in week out and Hudge continued that mindset, they consistently played above their ability and their fans could ask no more.

So for me, if I try and analyse why season in season out we the long suffering fans see performances that disappoint so much at Clubs that we should be stuffing, there lies a possible explanation. Perhaps the problem is that generation upon generation of players, Administrators, Coaches and indeed fans have believed our own publicity, instead of taking every weekly round one at a time and treating every match as they would a Cup semi final or play-off game. Instead of thinking, as I believe they often do, that they have a right to beat certain teams because we are a ‘Big’ Club, number 1 in Hull and have a tradition that dictates we have a God given right to succeed in certain circumstances. Perhaps we have to get back to basics in all departments and approach every game as if it is the most important one in the season. Easier said than done of course and from me just a thought on the reasons behind the many disappointing results we have seen away, to less well equipped teams, over the last 7 years or so, it’s certainly an interesting one.

In the Drum and Monkey last Friday the City fans were in full cry about the start of the season, but not about a good home win, or the size of the crowd at the KC (the lowest for many years) but rather the main talking point, was just one thing; the price of the beer. Apparently the charges have rocketed and the cost of that and refreshments in general have ‘The Tiger Nation’ in a very bad mood. As prices usually go up at the start

of the football season, watch out for increased costs at the Cas’ game!

Sports Talk is back from its summer break as Radio Humberside replaces the Golden Years with the Golden ‘Girls’!!! It started last Monday and it took just 6 minutes for the presenter (Guess Who!), to be in full blow argument mode with guest presenter, the eminently sensible Pete Smirthwaite. It was all about the lack of a transfer window in Rugby League.... I think, but after a few minutes of the usual ranting, I glazed over and switched off. Pete has always been one of my favourite guests on the show because he talks a deal of good sense about both football and rugby and I just wondered whether probably has better things to do, than go on local radio to be shouted at! ‘Bout time they got Burnsey back on there me thinks!

Now here’s a question you don’t see often in the Diary; do Wakefield take a barbecue into the dressing rooms with them? Well I think that perhaps they do. Last week Paul Sykes attributed their win at Caravan Park to a half time ‘Roasting’ in the dressing rooms. Now I know Agar is doing OK at present but...... a roasting..... by him, I doubt it not!

Well true to form, and as is often the case with most fans, it seems that I spend a lot of my time when not talking about my Club, discussing and debating the other big subject on all Rugby League fans lips at present, refereeing. Once again at the weekend the memory of the Challenge Cup final was blighted by another argument about refereeing. However the

worrying thing for me is that, the Rugby League are getting more and more like the secret police in some communist Country with every passing day. They know best, we should agree without question, we’re told nothing about decisions and rulings and anyone who voices any opposition in the direction of officials is stamped on immediately.

Take for instance the case of Rochdale Coach John Stankevitch who they have banned from any involvement in Rugby League in this country. What has he done then, assassinated the Chairman of the Rugby League or been down to Longy’s corner shop for some slimming tablets.... ? No, nothing so controversial in fact all he has done is what Aresene Wenger and most Football League bosses do and say most weeks. Stankevitch has actually refused to pay a £1,000 fine that has been imposed, for making “Derogatory comments to a referee” and by that ruling I, and most of those reading this, must owe them millions! Following the furore, he’s had to stand down as Head Coach at the Hornets and taken another role at the club, but the RFL still want their pound of flesh – and its ‘pay up John’ or be banned sine die. Now, just as the RL needs some good publicity and some positive news Stankevitch is threatening to sue them because he has been informed that he can have no involvement in matches, cannot attend rugby league stadiums on match days or be involve in the business of any member club.

No one knows exactly what words were used when Stankevitch questioned the match official’s competence, but I doubt they were any worse than we use every week, and although I realise in his position he shouldn’t do it, it’s unlikely that they were any worse than the kind of ‘advice’ football referees will be offered by that games Managers in the coming season. I know, (I can hear you saying) it’s a family game, and we don’t stoop to the

level of football, but let’s face it in the most technical of terms.....our referee’s are Crap!! In the last two weeks Catalan Dragons, Saints Leeds and Wigan have questioned individual officials suitability to be in charge and in the lower divisions, Mark Aston at Sheffield Eagles, Karl Harrison at Halifax and Featherstone’s Daryl Powell have all expressed their concerns about the standard of match officials in the last two weeks. All the latter three seem resigned to the fact that no action will be forthcoming, with Powell saying it’s ‘pointless’ and Aston commenting he feels he’s ‘Banging my head against a brick wall’.

As fans, and it would appear, as senior officials at the Clubs as well, what you don’t want to remember above everything else in a game is the performance of the referee. It would be nice to feel confident that if the rest of us on and off the field have got it wrong, the referee is the one person who has read the rule book and more often than not remembered what it contains. Too often after-match comments by coaches have centred on refereeing. Their comments might not have been as animated or as colourful as were those of John Stankevitch but none the less everyone is aggrieved by the current situation. For me, this season, like a row of tiller girls dancing their way onto centre stage at the Palladium of years gone by, referees have followed the lead of the master showman Mr Ganson, seen what he has got away with and strutted their way, into the spotlight, with too often their decisions having a major impact on the outcome of too many games.

What the Stankevitch case proves is that in the end rather like the situation in the Russia of days gone by, anyone who has a problem with officials or indeed raises a concern in public will be for the chop! As someone said this week, it’s about time that the ethos of there being three types of decisions in our game, “correct decisions, wrong decisions and referee’s decision”

stopped and for me, as an ordinary fan, it’s about time that the Rugby League wised up a bit and started to listen to the owners, players, media and Club officials and stopped acting like the KGB! We need the officials to come out and tell us why they do what they do! Just of course my thoughts but for me Referee’s are simply spoiling our game!

This week I heard that Bill Drake wasn’t in the best of health and we all, I am sure, wish him well, but that got us all talking in the Drum and Monkey about what a great player he was in the days of the Panzer pack that terrorized the Rugby League back in the 1950’s . Bill Drake was the taller of the most famous twins to play Rugby League in the 50’s, and although I came upon him late in his career, he was always the talk of the breakfast table in our house, from as long as I can remember being able to understand what my Mum and Dad were on about. Bill was a cornerstone of that mighty pack, although he started his career as a winger. The Drake twins were in fact not local lads at all, being born in Workington, before they moved to Yorkshire and joined us from York amateur club Heworth.

Bill made his debut against Halifax on 11th April 1953 making just 2 appearances that year and one the following season. Not a very auspicious start at all really, well not for one of the clubs finest ever forwards! It was in the 1954/55 season that he was moved into the pack by Roy Francis, who was attempting to get more mobility and speed into the middle of the field and he first played at loose forward when Johnny Whiteley was injured, before moving up into the second row. It was November 1954 before the twins played together with Jim playing at Prop and Bill at Loose-man in a 9-7 home defeat by Hunslet. Jim was always a thickly set, ‘roly poly’ sort of player who was none the less quite mobile and as hard as nails. Bill on the other hand, at 6ft 1ins, was much more mobile and athletic in appearance. His time on the wing had also served him really well, because he brought to the pack just what Roy Francis craved, a big, tough

ball player with a turn of speed. The ‘mobile second rower’, so important in the modern game, was born!

Even in his latter days, I still remember his trade mark dummy and go that saw defences just open up in front of him. He usually did this before putting out a telling pass either inside or out, which invariably resulted in a try for one of his colleagues. The fact that back then in the late 50’s there were so many good second rowers around the country is illustrated by the fact that it was 1962 before Bill made his one Test appearance for Great Britain, and this was only after he had slowed down somewhat and moved up into the front row, where I saw him play most of his rugby! He actually made an appearance for England too, just a couple of weeks before he played for the Lions.

If he was overlooked by the international selectors then that was not the case as far as the Cumberland officials were concerned, as they made full use of his north-west heritage and chose him on ten occasions to play for them in the County championships. Bill was always held in high esteem by Roy Francis the Coach that saw us through the Golden Years of the late 50’s, and they were very close friends off the field too. It is therefore no surprise really that it was on the same night (in October 1963) that Roy resigned from Hull FC, that Bill asked for a transfer. Drake then followed Francis, and joined Leeds a month later, for a fee of £1,500. Bills stay there was not a long one though, and he moved onto York in 1965, to play out his last two seasons in the professional game at Wiggington Road. Sadly his brother Jim passed away a couple of years ago but the legend of the Drake twins certainly lives on.

There is no doubt that Roy Francis developed a pack and a style of play that changed the face of Rugby League forever. He searched high and low for the type of players that could beat the traditional over weight, ‘heads down’ and run, type of forwards that the game had always produced. With his speed,

dexterity, passing ability, dummy and overall toughness there was none better that Bill Drake to make this plans a reality, he was a great forward and one of only a few back then who was so mobile that I believe he wouldn’t be out of place in today’s modern game. It’s only on a few occasions that you see a great forward like Bill Drake and I was privileged to see him out there on the hallowed turf of the Boulevard and it’s something I won’t forget.

Well it’s Bradford on Saturday and a game that somehow I can’t see us winning. They are really fired up at present and flying ‘on the wings of adversity’ which is something that we could never be accused of doing at Widnes!!! Still we’ll go along and see how it goes and hope results go for us so that we consolidate our 6th position. I had a good afternoon at Yeamo’s Funday on Saturday which raised a deal of cash for the cause and well done to all those who helped and those who came along too. Thanks for all your comments and information this week, I enjoyed reading all your theories and rumours about which players we are signing although I see one or two folks were not too happy with my resume of the performances of our players last week, but as always they are only my thoughts as an average fan who was petty p*ssed off at the time! Thank you all for sticking with a Diary in a week when there was little news of note really, but let’s hope for a win at the weekend and I’ll see you at Odsal. In the meantime try to…………….

Keep Believing!

Faithfully yours

Wilf