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SO ALMOST FIFTY ANYWAY ILL BE FIFTY THIS YEAR 23

EM: UM HUH 24

SO IVE GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE SHE WAS A YOUNG WOMAN IN HER 25

TWENT…YOU KNOW TWENTIES I THINK SHE WAS TWENTY SIX OR SEVEN 26

EM: UM HUH 27

AND A SHE YOU KNOW SHE WAS FAIRLY NEW TO THE INDUSTRY SO SHE’D 28

CALL OUR HELP DESK FOR HELP AND SO I YOU KNOW I KINDA BUILT A 29

REPORE WITH HER SHE WAS SHE WAS A NICE WOMAN I I I REALLY LIKED 30

HER SHE WAS NICE 31

EM: OK 32

AND SHE’S SMART TO 33

EM: YEAH 34

SO UM YOU KNOW I I I THINK SHE A A ILL JUST DO YOU WANT ME JUST 35

TALK ALITTLE BIT? 36

EM: YEAH YEAH KEEP GOING GO AHEAD YOUR DOING GREAT (LAUGHING) 37

OK OK SO SHE A SHE UM SHE A SHE WAS REALLY FRIENDLY UM AND SHE 38

ALSO A SHARED A LOT OF HER PERSONAL LIFE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE 39

AROUND YOU KNOW LIKE A YOU KNOW KIND OF STUFF YOU WOULDN’T 40

EVEN WANT TO KNOW YOU KNOW? 41

EM: UM HUH 42

SO UM YOU KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE KNEW THAT SHE HAD A YOU KNOW I 43

I HAD YOU KNOW GOING THROUGH SOME MA…MARRIAGE PROBLEMS 44

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT LAST TIME I SAW HER I I YOU KNOW SHE DIDN’T 45

SEEM YOU KNOW THAT UNHAPPY TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH THOUGH 46

EM: WHEN WAS THAT? 47

UM YOU KNOW JUST I GUESS. 48

EM: WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SEEN OR SPOKE TO HER? 49

I I GUESS I SAW HER A THE FRIDAY BEFORE SHE DISAPPEARED YOU KNOW 50

SO THURSDAY FRIDAY... 51

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EM: OK 52

I WOULD SAY BEFORE SHE DISAPPEARED I I I THINK THAT’S BEEN THE 53

LAST TIME I SAW HER SO 54

EM: OK 55

I GUESS THAT WAS THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS OF DECEMBER? 56

EM: UM HUH 57

UM AND A I DID DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF WORK WITH HER ONCE UM 58

DO YOU KNOW 59

EM: UM HUH 60

YEAH SHE’S MY COLLEAGUE WE WORK ON THE SAME DESK AND A 61

AND UM AND A SUSAN AND I AFTER WORK ONE DAY ON SATURDAY I 62

DIDN’T WORK MANY SATURDAYS BUT A THE ONE SATURDAY WE WENT 63

TO THE UM ON 5600 WEST TOGETHER 64

EM: UM HUH 65

WE WENT THERE TO JUST YOU KNOW KINDA BROWSE I BOUGHT SOME 66

GOLF CLUBS AND SUSAN BOUGHT UM YOU KNOW LIKE SOME SOME 67

BACKPACKS FOR HER KIDS UM 68

EM: UM HUH 69

AND THAT THAT’S THE ONLY THING I EVER DID OUTSIDE OF WORK WITH 70

HER WAS JUST GO TO THE AND SHE SEEMED PRETTY HAPPY YOU 71

KNOW SHE WAS THAT THAT WAS A FEW MONTHS BEFORE SHE 72

DISAPPEARED. 73

EM: UM HUH 74

UM BUT A YOU KNOW SHE WAS SHE WAS YOU KNOW PRETTY A HAPPY 75

PERSON USUALLY YOU KNOW SHE WAS SMIL…YOU KNOW SHE DIDN’T 76

DIDN’T TAKE MUCH FOR HER TO LAUGH OR SMILE OR 77

EM: UM HUH 78

YOU KNOW SHE WASN’T SHE WASN’T DEPRESSED OR ANYTHING IT DIDN’T 79

SEEM LIKE YOU KNOW SO THAT’S WHAT I KNEW OF HER THAT’S THAT’S 80

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ABOUT IT 81

EM: UM HUH 82

BUT A YOU KNOW SHE HAD YOU KNOW BETTER FRIENDS THAT WORKED 83

HERE THAT KNEW MORE YOU KNOW LIKE THEY I KNEW SHE DID SOME OF 84

THE LADIES HAIR A I KNEW SHE WAS A HAIR DRESSER TO ON THE SIDE 85

AND I KNOW THAT SHE DID SHE DID THE HAIR OF SEVERAL PEOPLE IN IN 86

THE OFFICE 87

EM: UM HUH 88

AND SO THOSE THOSE LADIES KNEW HER BETTER THEN ANYBODY ELSE 89

EM: UM HUH 90

I THINK THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE YOU KNOW AND A AND OF 91

COURSE YOU KNOW RIGHT? 92

EM: UM HUH RIGHT 93

YEAH SO THEY THEY KNEW HER REALLY WELL BUT SHE WAS REALLY A 94

PLEASURE TO WORK WITH I MEAN SHE WAS REALLY A NICE WOMAN UM 95

YOU KNOW 96

EM: UM HUH 97

HAD NO….NOTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY ABOUT HER AT ALL 98

EM: HMM…K 99

SO YEAH AND I YOU KNOW ITS KINDA ODD THAT SHE WOULD YOU KNOW I 100

MEAN JUST LEAVE HER JOB I MEAN AND HER KIDS I MEAN THAT SHE JUST 101

DIDN’T SEEM REALLY LIKE THE TYPE THAT WOULD JUST GET UP AND 102

LEAVE YOU KNOW AND JUST LIKE LEAVE TOWN WITHOUT HER KIDS AND 103

YOU KNOW WITHOUT GIVIN NOTICE AT HER JOB I THINK SHE LIKED THIS 104

JOB AND I THINK SHE WAS PRETTY GOOD AT YOU KNOW 105

EM: UM HUH 106

AND SHE WAS SHE WAS PRETTY SMART SO SHE WAS DEFINITELY YOU 107

KNOW HAD NO I DON’T THINK SHE HAD ANY ANY UM NEGATIVE A WORK 108

UM YOU KNOW AN..ANYTHING HERE THAT WOULD WO…WOULD 109

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CA…CAUSE HER TO WANT TO LEAVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT 110

EM: UM HUH 111

SO I I DON’T KNOW I I THINK THAT’S BASICALLY WHAT I COULD ADD TO 112

YOU’RE A REPORT THERE 113

EM: OK 114

UM DO YOU HAVE ANY LIKE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS A… 115

EM: YEAH WHAT UM SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU KNOWN HER? 116

I’D SAY A TWO YEARS LIKE I YOU KNOW I KNEW HER FROM THE DAY SHE 117

STARTED HERE AND I THINK SHE WORKED HERE ABOUT TWO YEARS I I 118

COULDN’T TELL YOU THE EXACT DATE SO… 119

EM: OK 120

BUT IM IM I THINK IT WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS 121

EM: UM HUH YOU MENTION THAT SHE WAS PRETTY A OPEN PRETTY VOCAL 122

YEAH 123

EM: SOMETIMES SHE WOULD SAY THINGS THAT PEOPLE PROBABLY MAY NOT 124

WANNA HEAR 125

YEAH 126

EM: UM THAT KINDA LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT YOU’VE HAD SOME YOU 127

KNOW SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH HER 128

YEAH YOU KNOW WHAT SHE WAS PRETTY NEGATIVE ABOUT HER FATHER 129

IN LAW YOU KNOW UM 130

EM: TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT 131

YEAH YOU KNOW AND AND ALSO SHE SHARED A THIS IS KINDA THIS IS 132

KINDA WEIRD IS THAT UM HER FATHER IN LAW MADE A C.D. LIKE A 133

MUSICAL C.D. AND AND IT HAD LYRICS ABOUT HER IN IT AND IT WAS KIND 134

OF ODD YOU KNOW LIKE AS IN AND I I LISTENED TO IT I JUST YOU KNOW 135

CAUSE SHE LET ME 136

EM: UM HUH 137

AND UM AND IT WAS JUST LIKE KIND OF LIKE ALMOST LIKE HE WAS I 138

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DON’T KNOW KIND OF A JUST JUST IT WASN’T LIKE A NORMAL A FATHER 139

IN LAW RELATIONSHIP I THINK HE HAD YOU KNOW MAYBE YOU KNOW 140

FEELINGS FOR HER OR SOMETHING THAT HE SHOULDN’T YOU KNOW 141

EM: UM HUH 142

SO THAT WAS KIND OF ODD I THINK A SO AND HE…SHE MENTIONED IT 143

AND THIS IS SHE MENTIONED THAT UM YEAH THAT HE HE HAD LIKE COME 144

ON TO HER BEFORE BUT YOU KNOW THAT WAS KIND OF ODD 145

EM: UM HUH 146

I JUST THOUGHT SO YEAH STUFF LIKE THAT YOU KNOW STUFF THAT YOU 147

USUALLY WOULDN’T BRING UP AT WORK YOU KNOW THAT THAT TYPE OF 148

THING 149

EM: UM HUH 150

SO BUT UM BUT I DON’T THINK A I THINK HE WAS SHE WAS ABLE TO UM 151

MAINTAIN THE RELATIONSHIP BUT YOU KNOW LIKE AT KIND OF AT A 152

DISTANCE YOU KNOW 153

EM: UM HUH 154

EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD KIND OF BOTHERED HER SO BUT THAT’S THAT’S 155

ABOUT IT YOU KNOW (INAUDIBLE) 156

EM: (INAUDIBLE) OTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT? 157

UM OH YOU KNOW I MEAN SHE A SHE LOVED HER KIDS OBVIOUSLY UM 158

YOU KNOW A THAT’S ABOUT IT I MEAN A THE THE ODD THING WAS THE 159

FATHER IN LAW I DIDN’T I DIDN’T REALLY GET IN…INVOLVED WITH ANY 160

CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HER HUSBAND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT SO BUT 161

I JUST REMEMBER THE FATHER IN LAW KIND OF STOOD OUT 162

EM: UM HUH 163

JUST A KIND OF A KIND OF A NEGATIVE POINT IN HER IN HER PERSONAL 164

RELATIONSHIP 165

EM: DO YOU GUYS SIT NEXT TO EACH OTHER OR ARE YOU GUYS IN DIFFERENT 166

ROOMS? 167

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NO NO NO ACTUALLY UM A I SAT ABOUT THIRTY FEET FROM HER SO YOU 168

KNOW I COULD SEE HER A YOU KNOW WALKING AROUND SOMETIMES 169

EM: UM HUH 170

YOU KNOW I’D PASS HER PASS HER DESK THAT TYPE OF THING 171

EM: UM HUH 172

YEAH 173

EM: OK 174

I MEAN WE WE WORK IN A CALL CENTER 175

EM: RIGHT 176

SO IT’S REALLY OPEN AND A EVEN WHEN YOUR SITTING DOWN AT YOUR 177

DESK YOU CAN LOOK ACROSS AND SEE OTHER PEOPLE 178

EM: UM HUH 179

UM WERE NOT YOU KNOW IN IN TALL CUBICLES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT 180

ITS ITS MORE OF A YOU KNOW LIKE IF YOU NEED HELP YOU CAN KINDA 181

YELL ACROSS AT YOUR COLLEAGUE OR 182

EM: RIGHT 183

YOU KNOW IT’S ITS PRETTY OPEN 184

EM: OK SO ABOUT A…AS FAR AS YOUR GUY’S CONVERSATIONS THE ONE 185

THING THAT STANDS OUT IS A THE FATHER IN LAW AND THOSE ISSUES? 186

YEAH THE (INAUDIBLE) 187

EM: A DON’T RECALL ANYTHING A ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT HER ABOUT JOSH? 188

NO NOPE NO (INAUDIBLE) 189

EM: UM…SHE WOULD SPEAK OF HER KIDS 190

YEAH 191

EM: SHE EVER MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT JOGGING OUTSIDE? 192

NO NO BUT I I REMEMBER THAT SHE USE TO RIDE HER BIKE LIKE NOT LAST 193

SUMMER BUT THE SUMMER BEFORE 194

EM: UM HUH 195

SHE’D BEEN RIDING HER BIKE TO WORK AND THAT’S KIND OF FAR 196

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EM: WHAT WAS THAT 197

(INAUDIBLE) 198

EM: DID SHE EVER EXPRESS WHY? 199

UM YOU KNOW I MEAN I GUESS CAUSE SHE DIDN’T HAVE A CAR AND I 200

DON’T I DON’T KNOW BUT I MEAN I JUST FELT LIKE THAT WAS KIND OF A 201

DANGEROUS LONG RIDE FOR A A YOUNG WOMAN TO 202

EM: UM HUH 203

RIDE DOWN 5600 YOU KNOW WEST ALL THE WAY TO WORK BUT UM I SHE 204

STOPPED DOIN IT I I I KNOW SHE I DON’T THINK SHE DID IT AT ALL LAST 205

SUMMER 206

EM: UM HUH 207

BUT IT WAS THE SUMMER BEFORE SHE DID 208

EM: HMM…K 209

SO BUT NOTHING ABOUT JOGGING NO 210

EM: HOW WOULD SHE GET TO AND FROM WORK? 211

I I DON’T KNOW I I DIDN’T I DIDN’T KNOW HOW SHE GOT TO WORK A I I 212

MEAN I I DON’T KNOW 213

EM: DID YOU EVER GIVE HER A RIDE TO AND FROM WORK? 214

NO I I NEVER DID… 215

EM: OK 216

CAUSE I I LIVE UM I LIVE A ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN I LIVE NEAR UM 217

DO YOU KNOW WHERE A IS? 218

EM: UM HUH 219

ON I LIVE NEXT DOOR 220

EM: OH OK 221

TO THE 222

EM: DID YOU GUYS SPEND ANY TIME ALONE OUTSIDE OF A WORK OTHER 223

THEN THAT SATURDAY 224

NO THE ONLY 225

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EM: HAVE A INTERESTED IN ANYBODY? 255

OH NO SHE WAS INTERESTED IN MEL GIBSON (LAUGHING) 256

EM: (LAUGHING) 257

SO UM YEAH SHE SAID IF HE EVER CAME INTO TOWN SHE WOULD LEAVE 258

WITH HIM THAT’S ABOUT IT 259

EM: OK 260

(LAUGHING) 261

EM: THAT ONES FUNNY 262

I I DO RECALL THAT 263

EM: OK 264

YEAH 265

EM: UM YOU’VE NEVER HAD A WAS NEVER INVOLVED IN A RELATIONSHIP 266

WITH HER WAS INTIMATE WITH HER AT ANY… 267

ME? 268

EM: POINT IN TIME YEAH 269

OH NO NO NO WE JUST HAD A WORK RELATIONSHIP AND A YOU KNOW 270

LIKE I SAID SHE BROUGHT SOME PERSONAL THING OUT THAT I 271

MENTIONED 272

EM: UM HUH 273

WHICH I THOUGHT YOU KNOW PROBABLY WOULDN’T BE APPROPRIATE 274

NORMALLY UM SO THAT’S WHY I MENTIONED THEM TO YOU CAUSE 275

THAT’S A YOU KNOW I I WOULDN’T BE YOU KNOW MENTIONING STUFF 276

(INAUDIBLE) 277

EM: SHE NEVER DISCUSSED ANYTHING WITH YA ABOUT HER UM 278

RELATIONSHIP TROUBLES AT HOME? 279

NOT REALLY I MEAN EXCEPT FOR THE YOU KNOW LIKE I SAID THE 280

FATHER IN LAW 281

EM: UM HUH 282

A THAT’S THAT’S ABOUT IT 283

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EM: WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE INVOLVING THE FATHER IN LAW OTHER 284

THEN THESE A LYRICS ON THE C.D. AND A OR THE C.D. MUSIC? 285

NO A I MEAN NO 286

EM: UM… 287

I THINK THAT SHE DREADED WHEN HE WOULD COME TO TOWN 288

EM: UM HUH 289

I MEAN THAT’S ABOUT IT BUT YOU KNOW MORE OF A CREEPINESS NOT 290

LIKE I THINK A THREAT 291

EM: UM HUH 292

I I WENT AND TOLD HER I SAID WELL THESE LYRICS I MEAN ITS OBVIOUS I 293

I TOLD HER I SAID YOU KNOW THIS IS A GUY THAT’S REALLY LONELY AND 294

KINDA LIVIN HIS WELL LIVIN IN THE PAST 295

EM: UM HUH 296

OR SOMEBODY WHO WHOSE DANGEROUS BUT I I DON’T THINK THAT HE 297

WO...YOU KNOW LIKE PROBABLY WAS JUST A LONELY OLD GUY I DON’T 298

KNOW LIKE MY AGE PROBABLY (LAUGHING) SHE SHE’S LIKE IN HER 299

TWENTIES I (LAUGHING) AND HE’S PROBABLY LIKE FIFTY LIKE I AM YOU 300

KNOW (LAUGHING) 301

EM: UM HUH K 302

SO YEAH 303

EM: A LETS SEE WHAT IS IS THAT YOUR REAL NAME 304

?

YES RIGHT 306

EM: ALRIGHT WHATS YOUR DATE OF BIRTH? 307

IT’S UM THE A IT’S 308

EM: AND YOUR ADDRESS? 309

IT’S A I LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO ON 310

EM: WHATS THE ZIP ? 312

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SO 371

EM: DO YOU REMEMBER ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT DREAMS? DID YOU FIND 372

THAT SHE WAS THAT SHE’D DREAM ABOUT YOU? OR DID SHE EVER 373

MENTION THAT TO ANYBODY? 374

NO NO I DON’T NO 375

EM: OK 376

NO I DON’T REMEMBER ANY ANY ANY ANY NO SHE DIDN’T TALK ABOUT 377

HER DREAMS TO ME NO 378

EM: OK 379

THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE WEIRD (LAUGHING) 380

EM: (CHUCKLE) 381

(LAUGHING) 382

EM: ALRIGHT 383

I YOU KNOW ITS IT IS A WORK PLACE AND WE WE DO WE ARE BUSY SO 384

EM: UM HUH 385

AND WE DON’T YOU KNOW I I FELT IT WAS KIND OF TO KNOW AS MUCH AS 386

I KNOW ABOUT HER PERSONAL LIFE SO 387

EM: UM HUH 388

ACTUALLY SO 389

EM: YOU SAY THE LAST TIME YOU SEEN HER WAS ON THE FOURTH OF 390

DECEMBER THAT FRIDAY WHAT WAS HER DEMEANOR PERSONALITY LIKE 391

THAT DAY? 392

YOU KNOW I I TO TO LOOK BACK THAT FAR I WOULD SAY A THERES 393

NOTHING THAT COMES TO MIND THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT I WOULD 394

SAY THAT SHE’S PROBABLY YOU KNOW JUST AS HAPPY AS SHE’D EVER 395

BEEN UM YOU KNOW I DIDN’T SEE HER IN ANY ANY NEGATIVE FUNK OR 396

ANYTHING LIKE THAT PRIOR TO HER DISAPPEARING UM NOTHING OUT OF 397

THE ORDINARY I WOULD SAY BUT THEN YOU KNOW LIKE I SAY IM NOT AS 398

CLOSE TO HER AS OTHERS SO 399

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EM: HAD YOU EVER DID YOU KNOW JOSH? OR HAD EVER MET HIM? 400

NO NEVER MET HIM 401

EM: OK 402

DON’T KNOW HIM NO LIKE I SAY THE THE ONLY THING OUTSIDE OF WORK 403

THAT I EVER DID WAS A WAS A SATURDAY AFTERNOON A AFTER WORK A 404

WHICH I DON’T USUALLY WORK ON SATURDAYS AND WE WENT TO THE 405

D.I. 406

EM: OK 407

YOU KNOW A JUST TO JUST FOR LIKE AN HOUR I GUESS I MEAN… 408

EM: OK 409

I I I DROVE MY CAR I THINK SHE WAS IN SHE MUST HAVE BEEN IN 410

’S CAR CAUSE SHE DIDN’T HAVE A CAR SO SHE WAS IN ’S CAR 411

AND THEN I YOU KNOW I LEFT THE AND WENT DIRECTLY HOME FROM 412

THERE 413

EM: UM HUH 414

BUT THEN NOT USUALLY A SIDE OF TOWN THAT IM FAMILIAR WITH OR 415

A...A…REALLY YOU KNOW HAPPEN TO I I I DON’T REALLY KNOW THE 416

WEST SIDE OF TOWN VERY WELL 417

EM: UM HUH 418

THAT’S ABOUT IT 419

EM: ALRIGHT PERFECT ANY QUESTIONS? 420

HUH? 421

EM: I SAID DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL FOR ME? 422

NO NO JUST UM NO I DON’T I JUST HOPE THAT YOU KNOW I I HOPE THE 423

BEST FOR YOU THAT YOU CAN A SOLVE THE CASE AND YOU KNOW MOVE 424

ON WITH YOU’RE A PROFESSIONAL LIFE AS WELL SO 425

EM: ALRIGHT WELL I APPRECIATE THAT 426

YEAH 427

EM: ALRIGHT WELL THANK YOU A… 428

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SURE 429

EM: AND YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY OK? 430

HEY THANKS FOR CALLING 431

EM: ALRIGHT 432

AND YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY TO 433

EM: THANK YOU FOR TAKIN MY CALL 434

K SURE NO PROBLEM 435

EM: BA...BYE 436

BYE 437

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