"If you are experiencing the four dimensions as much as you can, then you will also experience beauty and joy and peace and serenity and wisdom and awe. And in certain isolated cases you will experience perfection. And every now and again you will experience perfection and lose sense of time.""Go on....""And when this happens, it is generally because you have used your pure mind to connect with the infinite intelligence, and you have exhibited your gifts through the emanations. I mean you have used your pure mind to make the perfect plan, in line with the Law, which you perform with power and conviction, and in a loving manner and absolute faith in the outcome.""Well?" I asked."Well, this is the perfect experience," He replied."And.....?""And this is the experience of reaching the mountain top. You transcend the four dimensions. You experience the spiritual dimensions too. You gain a first hand experience of the Realm of Light.""That's it? That's all you have to do?" I asked."Yes. But remember the Ashem Vohu prayer? The last part of it said, `Happy and blissful is he who is righteous for the sake of being righteous alone.' Which you rightly interpreted as saying: you do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. You do not need a reward or anything in return. The reward of bliss is a byproduct.""Yes...""Well, it is exactly the same with transcending the physical realm. You don't do the right thing to transcend the four dimensions. You do them because they are the right things to do. The experience of the spiritual dimensions is a byproduct.""I see.""One more thing," He commented. "Doing the right thing is a lot more difficult than you think, because we have been trained since childhood to think and live in a different paradigm. It will take a lot of courage and persistence. But really, it is that simple."* * *"You still don't believe me, do you?" He asked after a long pause."I don't know what to think."59Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra"Well, remember verse 43:7? It says, `The good mind approached me and asked who are you? To whom do you belong? To which path do you turn when you are doubtful?' Remembering these questions may help you.""I am not sure what you are getting at," I replied."Very simply it says, when you are in doubt, where do you turn? And the way to know your Creator is to know yourself. So know yourself first."I did not respond.He continued, "And the best way to know yourself is to experience your world. Through your senses and feelings you will get to know yourself, and eventually your Creator. It is like telling the wave to know itself and it will know the ocean. Try it for a while.""OK!" and then I dropped this subject.* * *After another long pause I asked him, "You mentioned heaven and hell in the `Gathas'. I used to think that you were pragmatic and suggested that we could create heaven here on earth.""We could. But it does not mean that we can't have a heaven in the spiritual dimension.""I suppose we could. But do we?" I asked."First let me ask you, should it matter? Should it affect what we do here on earth? Shouldn't you do the right thing because you want to create heaven here on earth? And not because you might go to some place nice when you die?""I agree. Now that we have established it does not matter, is there heaven and hell?" I asked again.He smiled at my persistence and said, "You recall the verse about the continuity of the soul and other ones about the Realm of Light?""Yes.""Heaven does exist but not as you know it. Again it is not some place. It is an aspect of the spiritual dimensions. It is oneness with Ahura.""What about hell?" I asked."Perhaps the best verses that describe the concept of hell are 51:9 which says, `Complete frustration is the consequence of an untruthful life, while the truthful shall receive thy blessings.' You see, frustration is hell. Frustration from not being able to become one with Ahura.""But if we are the ocean, why should we not reach