apjii policy meeting 2 updates

APJII POLICY MEETING 2APJII POLICY MEETING 2updatesupdates

Conditions before APMConditions before APM

Members lacking comprehension on Members lacking comprehension on APNIC policies.APNIC policies.

Not knowing where to complain Not knowing where to complain should inconvenient policies exist. should inconvenient policies exist.

Ineffective discussions in the Ineffective discussions in the mailing list.mailing list.

Conditions after APMConditions after APM

Members giving more attention to Members giving more attention to the mailing list.the mailing list.

Members having better Members having better comprehension about APNIC policies.comprehension about APNIC policies.

Feedbacks from members on Feedbacks from members on existing policies.existing policies.

ConstraintsConstraints

Getting members familiar to use the Mailing Getting members familiar to use the Mailing list for discussions.list for discussions.

Encouraging members to give presentations.Encouraging members to give presentations.

Most participants cannot solve technical Most participants cannot solve technical problems. problems.

ISPs currently assigning Address Space ISPs currently assigning Address Space based on Bandwidth. This is caused by :based on Bandwidth. This is caused by :– Not understanding APNIC policy, orNot understanding APNIC policy, or– The ISP’s internal Policy.The ISP’s internal Policy.

About IPv6 About IPv6

Members having limited knowledge Members having limited knowledge about :about :

– IPv6 implementation and policy IPv6 implementation and policy development.development.

– Routing issues referring to Best Routing issues referring to Best Current Practice (BCP).Current Practice (BCP).

– Other technical issues including RFC Other technical issues including RFC & APNIC policies, etc. & APNIC policies, etc.

Steps taken by APJII SecretariatSteps taken by APJII Secretariat

Encouraging members to respond to existing policies.

Launching new drafts based on inputs given to the Secretariat.

Reference : RFC’s, APNIC Policies, etc.

APM ResultAPM Result

APM 126/08/2002

APM2 11/06/2003

Discussion Forum

2 ( IIX and Internet

Resources )

3 ( IIX, IR dan IPv6)

Number of participants

43 73

APM-Cont’d Result APM-Cont’d Result

APM-126/08/2002

APM-2 11/06/2003

Total draft 1 Draft (IIX) 9 Drafts (IIX, Internet Resources, Membership)

New Issues - New nodes for the IIX- 2nd opinion for APJII members, etc.

- Reverse DNS should have IP Addresses that are registered through the Second Opinion procedures.- ASN Non-Portable: Organization without Address Space Assignments/Allocations from RIR cannot have this Assignment, etc.

NON-PORTABLE ASNOrganization without Address Space

Assignments/Allocations from RIR/NIR cannot have this Assignment.

Reason : ASN usage in multihoming organizations using Address Space from each ISP will effect in Routing

Table inefficiency for each ISP’s.

Current IssueCurrent Issue

• Using Private ASN as another alternative to connect to the IIX.

– Useful for an ISP not using BGP’s to their current upstreams.

– Works as a Singlehomed only to the IIX.– When they need to be BGP Multihoming, they

can request for a Public ASN to APJII.– Current problem: ISPs that are currently BGP

Singlehomed used Private ASN on their Routing policy and want to connect to the IIX.

Other PoliciesOther Policies

• Are the same with APNIC Policies and other Regional and Global policies.

APM Proposal to APNIC OPMAPM Proposal to APNIC OPM

1. Reverse DNS should have IP Addresses that are registered through the Second Opinion procedures (minimum a /29).

2. ASN Non-Portable: Organization without Address Space Assignments/Allocations from RIR/NIR cannot have this Assignment.

3. Using Private ASN for Singlehoming to IX.

Thank YouThank You

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