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JP: I THINK THAT’S NEW THAT’S NEW THEY JUST GET BIGGER THOSE ARE 1
NEW. 2
EM: OK 3
JP: THAT’S NEW 4
EM: K 5
JP: LIKE I SAY THEY THERES… 6
EM: YEAH 7
JP: THREE NEW ONES THEY JUST KEEP GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER. 8
EM: (INAUDIBLE) ALRIGHT NO PROBLEM HAVE A SEAT LET ME GO GRAB MY 9
NOTEBOOK AND ILL BE RIGHT BACK OK? 10
JP: OK 11
DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 12
DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 13
EM: DO YOU WANT A GLASS OF WATER OR ANYTHING OK? 14
DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 15
DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 16
UK: DID YOU GET THE CAMERA? 17
JP: NO ILL GRAB IT. 18
EM: I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT IT IT’S NOT REALLY TO IMPORTANT RIGHT 19
NOW. 20
JP: WELL I CERTAINTLY WANT YOU TO HAVE BOTH. 21
EM: YEAH YEAH NO I DEFINITELY WANT ILL TAKE AND PHOTOGRAPH THOSE 22
INTERVIEW WITH: JOSH POWELL
INTERVIEWED BY: ELLIS MAXWELL
DATE OF INTERVIEW: 12-8-09
CASE NUMBER: 09I054602
DATE TRANSCRIBED: 12-16-09
TRANSCRIBED BY: TANYA HEGELMAN
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AGAIN. 23
JP: NOW ON ON THE WAY OVER HERE I ACTUALLY DID CALL MY ATTORNEYS 24
AND THEY SAID I SHOULD DEFINITELY HAVE AN ATTORNEY? 25
EM: WHATS THAT? 26
JP: I I CALLED MY ATTORNEYS WHICH IS PRE PAID LEGAL. 27
EM: OK 28
JP: AND THEY SAID THAT I SHOUD DEFINITILY HAVE AN ATTORNEY. 29
EM: DUDE I DIDN’T READ YOU YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS HAVE I? 30
JP: THAT’S WHAT THEY SAID. 31
EM: OK WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS THEN OK? 32
JP: OK 33
EM: THIS IS DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU’RE UNDER ARREST? 34
JP: I I DON’T I DON’T KNOW I DIDN’T EVEN THINK IT WAS THAT I I DIDN’T I 35
DIDN’T EVEN THINKING YESTERDAY BUT I DON’T KNOW WHERE SHES AT 36
AND SHE AINT BACK YET. 37
EM: K OK SO YOU DON’T KNOW IF YOU’VE YOU YOU DON’T KNOW IF YOU FEEL 38
LIKE YOUR UNDER ARREST OR NOT? 39
JP: I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS ARE I MEAN I ALREADY TOLD YOU GUYS 40
EVERYTHING I CAN THINK AND I HAVENT OH AND I ACTUALLY DID THINK 41
OF ONLY ONE THING SHE HAS ANOTHER FRIEND THAT I WASN’T EVEN 42
THINKIN OF THAT’S ONE OF HER CLOSEST FRIENDS IS KIERCY. 43
EM: OK WELL LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU JOSH OK… 44
JP: BUT I CAN’T EVEN THINK STRAIGHT. 45
EM: UM K… LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU YOUR NOT UNDER ARREST 46
OK? IF YOU WERE UNDER ARREST I WOULD HAVE CAME TO YOUR HOME I 47
WOULD OF PUT HAND CUFFS ON AND I WOULD HAVE BROUGHT YOU HERE 48
OK? UM SO UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT NOW YOU’RE NOT UNDER ARREST 49
FOR ANYTHING OK? UM THE PROBLEM AND THE WHAT WERE 50
INVESTIGATING IS WHAT? A MISSING PERSON RIGHT? 51
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JP: YOUR RIGHT BUT WHAT IF (INAUDIBLE) 52
EM: AND THAT MISSING PERSON BEING YOUR WIFE. AND INITIALLY THIS ALL 53
TURNED OUT TO BE BASICALLY MISSING PEOPLE AN ENTIRE FAMILY AND 54
THAT’S WHY WE WERE NOTIFIED OK? 55
JP: OK 56
EM: AND THAT’S WHY WE WERE AT YOUR HOME THAT’S WHY WE BROKE THE 57
WINDOW INTO YOUR HOME TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE WAS 58
ANYBODY IN THERE THAT THEY WERE OK, OK? AND THIS REPORT CAME 59
FROM YOUR MOM WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY VERY CONCERNED AND IT WAS 60
STARTED BY THE DAYCARE PROVIDER. 61
JP: BY THE WAY SHE HAS A KEY TO MY HOUSE. 62
EM: OK 63
JP: THE DAYCARE PROVIDER HAS A KEY SO I DON’T KNOW WHY THEY WHY 64
THEY HAD TO BREAK THE WINDOW WHEN SHE STARTED IT… 65
EM: WELL… 66
JP: AND SHE HAD A KEY. 67
EM: OK WELL THAT WAS NOT BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION OBVIOUSLY UM 68
SO THE CONCERN HERE IS OBVIOUSLY AND YOU YOU MENTIONED THAT 69
WE TALKED (INAUDIBLE) 70
JP: AND BY THE WAY I DIDN’T (INAUDIBLE) 71
EM: WE SPOKE YESTERDAY GOT SOME GENERAL STUFF FROM YOU ALRIGHT. 72
JP: OK 73
EM: I MEAN WHAT I MEAN WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO? DO YOU NOT 74
WANT US TO TALK TO YOU DO YOU NOT WANT US TO TALK TO ANYBODY 75
AND JUST LEAVE YOU ALONE AND HOPE SHE SHOWS UP? 76
JP: NO NO I DON’T 77
EM: IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO? 78
JP: NO 79
EM: OK I MEAN IM JUST TRYIN TO DO MY JOB YOU KNOW WHAT IM SAYING. 80
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WHO’S THE CLOSEST PERSON TO HER? 81
JP: (INAUDIBLE) THAT’S ME 82
EM: WHO? 83
JP: THAT’S ME 84
EM: EXACTLY SO YOU’RE TELLING ME YOU THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO 85
COME IN HERE AND TALK TO ME AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS…. 86
JP: (INAUDIBLE) 87
EM: SO WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE POTENTIALLY SHE COULD BE? 88
JP: THEY THEY TOLD ME THAT THAT I SHOULD HAVE AN ATTORNEY CAUSE 89
YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW WHATS GOING ON THEY SAID 90
THAT IM YOU KNOW PRETTY MUCH IN OVER MY HEAD. 91
EM: HMMM…OK YOUR IN OVER YOUR HEAD BECAUSE YOUR WIFE IS MISSING? 92
JP: CAUSE CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY TRYING TO TRAP ME ON LITTLE 93
THINGS LIKE MY HANDS FOR ONE. 94
EM: TAKING PICTURES OF YOUR HANDS SHOWIN THAT THERES NO SERIOUS 95
INJURIED TO YOUR HANDS IS TRAPPING YOU HOW? 96
JP: WELL YOU GUYS WERE DOING IT YOUR TELLING ME YOUR LIKE IMPLYING. 97
EM: I ASKED YOU WHERE YOU GOT THINK NICK ON YOUR ON YOU’RE A 98
KNUCKLE. 99
JP: WELL I… 100
EM: AND YOU EXPLAINED THAT IT WAS DRY SKIN OK MAKES SENSE. 101
JP: IT ISNT DRY SKIN I WORK I MEAN I I JUST WORK. 102
EM: LIKE I SAID YOUR YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE HERE IF YOU DON’T WANT TO 103
BE HERE YOU CAN LEAVE I DIDN’T FORCE YOU TO COME HERE AND IM 104
NOT FORCING YOU TO STAY OK? IF YOU DON’T WANT TO TALK YOU CAN 105
LEAVE. 106
JP: (INAUDIBLE) I THINK I 107
EM: YOUR NOT UNDER ARREST I HAVENT READ YOU (INAUDIBLE) 108
JP: I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO TALK BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE A 109
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GOOD IDEA TO HAVE AN AN ATTORNEY TO. 110
EM: WHATS AN ATTORNEY GONNA DO FOR YA? 111
JP: I DON’T KNOW. 112
EM: ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS FOR YA I DON’T NEED THE ANSWERS FROM AN 113
ATTORNEY I NEED THE ANSWERS FROM THE HUSBAND THAT CLOSEST TO 114
UM THIS MISSING PERSON TO SUSAN YOU KNOW HER BETTER THEN I DO. 115
YOU KNOW HER BETTER THEN ANYBODY BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN 116
LIVING TOGETHER YOUR MARRIED YOU TALK TO EACH OTHER EVERY 117
DAY RIGHT? 118
JP: YEP 119
EM: OK WELL WAIT A SEC ILL BE RIGHT BACK. 120
JP: OK 121
DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES……………………………………………………………………. 122
JP: HELLO HELLO CAN YOU HEAR ME? HELLO CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN HEAR 123
YOU BUT IF IF YOU CANT HEAR ME YOU MUST BE (INAUDIBLE) ARE YOU 124
THERE? OK TALK TO YOU IN A MINUTE. 125
DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 126
UK: HI 127
JP: OH HELLO CAN I BORROW A PEN PLEASE? 128
UK: YEAH LET ME GET YOU ONE GO AHEAD HAVE A SEAT AND ILL DO YOU 129
NEED PAPER OR? 130
JP: WELL I HAVE A PAPER. 131
UK: UH HUH 132
JP: SO I JUST NEED A PEN. 133
UK: SURE YEAH GO AHEAD MAKE YOURSELF COMFORTABLE ILL GET YOU A 134
PEN. 135
JP: OK THANKS 136
DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 137
DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 138
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UK: HERE YOU GO. 139
JP: THANK YOU 140
UK: YOUR WELCOME. 141
DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 142
JP: HELLO YEAH I WAS TRYIN TO TALK TO YOU BUT I COULDN’T HEAR 143
ANYTHING I MEAN YOU COULDN’T HEAR ME THAT’S WHAT I MEANT TO 144
SAY APPARENTLY YEAH I GUESS I I COULD HEAR YOU IS THIS IS THIS HER 145
BOSSES NUMBER ALRIGHT WHAT IS THAT? OH MAN HOLD ON THIS PEN 146
ISNT WORKING (INAUDIBLE) OH COME ON. 147
DOOR OPENS…………………………………………………………………………………… 148
JP: THIS PEN DOESN’T WORK. 149
DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 150
DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 151
UK: HOWS THAT WORKING? 152
JP: UM HOLD ON LET ME SEE YES. 153
UK: OK 154
JP: OK THANKS 155
DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………. 156
JP: WHATS THE NUMBER? 157
DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES……………………………………………………………………. 158
JP: (INAUDIBLE) I GUESS (INAUDIBLE) DO YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA? 159
EM: I DON’T HAVE A CAMERA. 160
JP: OK 161
EM: OK SO ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR PHONE CALL? 162
JP: OK THAT’S ALL I NEEDED OK. 163
EM: OH 164
JP: ILL ILL TALK TO YOU LATER OK BYE. 165
EM: SORRY YOUR THROWIN ME OFF WITH THAT HEADSET DUDE. 166
JP: SORRY 167
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EM: DO YOU NEED THIS ANYMORE? DO YOU NEED TO WRITE DOWN ANYTHING 168
ELSE? 169
JP: NOT THIS MINUTE. 170
EM: OK 171
JP: BUT I FIGURED I BETTER STUCK IT THERE BEFORE I ACCIDENTLY SLIP IT IN 172
MY POCKET YOU KNOW? 173
EM: YEAH NO PROBLEM OK SO UM SO BACK TO BEING HERE DO YOU WANT TO 174
ME ABOUT YOUR WIFE AND ABOUT YOU? 175
JP: IVE IVE ALREADY TOLD YOU. 176
EM: (INAUDIBLE) WHOLE SITUATION. 177
JP: IVE ALREADY TOLDYOU EVERYTHING I CANT THINK OF ANYTHING AND I 178
JUST YOU KNOW IVE TOLD THAT HAVING AN ATTORNEY IS A BETTER 179
IDEA. 180
EM: OK WELL ATTORNEYS NOT AN ISSUE OK BECAUSE IM NOT GONNA HAVE 181
YOU CALL AND HAVE AN ATTORNEY COME UP HERE AND GO THROUGH 182
THE WHOLE ATTORNEY (INAUDIBLE) BECAUSE YOUR NOT UNDER ARREST 183
OK? 184
JP: WHAT WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I MEAN (INAUDIBLE) 185
EM: (INAUDIBLE) YOU USE AN ATTORNEY OK WHAT DO YOU USE AN 186
ATTORNEY FOR? WHEN YOUR BEING CHARGED CRIMINALLY FOR 187
SOMETHING CORRECT? 188
JP: YEAH 189
EM: OK YOU USE AN ATTORNEY FOR IF YOUR INVOLVED IN A CIVIL LAWSUIT 190
RIGHT? 191
JP: YEAH 192
EM: ALRIGHT WERE NOT DOING ANY OF THAT RIGHT? NO YOUR NOT UNDER 193
ARREST YOUR NOT BEING CHARGED FOR ANYTHING. SO AN ATTORNEY IS 194
NOT I MEAN THE ATTORNEY IS NOT AN ISSUE I MEAN THAT’S THAT’S NOT 195
AN ISSUE THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU YOU HAVE A WIFE THAT’S MISSING 196
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THAT’S THE ISSUE THAT’S THE CONCERN OK AND THAT’S WHY I DON’T 197
UNDERSTAND WHY YOUR WORRIED ABOUT HAVIN AN ATTORNEY 198
BECAUSE IM SIMPLY JUST WANTIN TO YEAH WE SPOKE LAST NIGHT BUT 199
WE DIDN’T GO INTO ANY A WHOLE LOT OF DETAILS OK I HAVE A LOT OF 200
QUESTIONS STILL ALRIGHT WE NEED TO FIND YOUR WIFE I WOULD THINK 201
THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO YOU KNOW HELP ME FIND YOUR WIFE? 202
JP: WHAT WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS ARE THEY STILL? 203
EM: I WANT TO GO OVER UM YOU KNOW ALL OF HER FRIENDS AGAIN I WANT 204
TO GO OVER WHO SHE TALKS TO I WANT TO GO OVER HER WORK 205
HISTORY I WANT TO GO OVER WHERE YOU GUYS HAVE LIVED THERES ALL 206
KINDS OF THINGS OK DO DO YOU NOT WANT TO FIND YOUR WIFE? 207
JP: I YEAH I DO. 208
EM: YOU DO? 209
JP: YEAH 210
EM: OK WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS SO DIFFICULT THEN? TO… 211
JP: YOU KNOW LETS GO IF IF THAT’S THE KIND OF QUESTIONS I GUESS ITS 212
FINE WILL JUST TRY IT YOU KNOW? 213
EM: WHAT ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT? WHAT ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT? 214
JP: YOU GUYS YOU KNOW HAVE IMPLIED SOME THINGS AND SO IT CONCERNS 215
ME. 216
EM: WE’VE IMPLIED WHAT? 217
JP: WELL YOU’VE IMPLIED THAT MY HANDS HAVE SOME KIND OF DEFENSIVE 218
WOUNDS ON EM. 219
EM: OK 220
JP: JUST BECAUSE THERE ALL CUT UP AND THAT’S JUST THAT’S JUST THE 221
WAY THEY ARE. 222
EM: OK SO IT SHOULDN’T BE ANYTHING YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THEN 223
RIGHT? I MEAN IF I HAVE DRY HANDS AND MY HANDS WERE NICK’D UP 224
LIKE THAT BECAUSE THERE DRY HANDS I DON’T THINK I WOULD BE 225
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WORRIED ABOUT IT. 226
JP: WELL GO AND ASK YOUR QUESTIONS 227
EM: I MEAN DO DO WE NOT HAVE A JOB TO DO? 228
JP: NO GO AHEAD AND A BY THE WAY UM YEAH GO AND ASK THE 229
QUESTIONS. 230
EM: K AND YOU UNDERSTAND YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE HERE RIGHT? AND YOU 231
NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT? IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE YOU CAN LEAVE 232
AT ANYTIME. 233
JP: ALRIGHT 234
EM: YOUR NOT UNDER ARREST IM NOT DETAINING YOU OK? 235
JP: OK 236
EM: IF YOU DON’T WANT TO BE HERE YOU CAN LEAVE IF YOU DON’T WANT TO 237
TALK IM JUST SIMPLY SAYIN THAT I WANT TO FIND YOUR WIFE. 238
JP: I WANT I WANT TALK BUT I JUST WANT TO TALK BUT IM GETTING 239
SCARED. 240
EM: OK WELL I MEAN IF YOU HAVENT DONE NOTHING WRONG JOSH IF YOU 241
DIDN’T DO ANYTHING WRONG THERES NOTHING TO BE SCARED ABOUT 242
RIGHT? 243
JP: WELL IM SCARED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITES. 244
EM: OK 245
JP: WHATS HAPPENED. 246
EM: WELL IM IM WORRIED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT HAPPENED TO 247
CAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE SHES AT AND YOU DON’T EITHER AND 248
THAT’S WHY I NEED YOUR HELP. 249
JP: ALRIGHT YEAH GO AHEAD AND ASK THE QUESTIONS. 250
EM: LETS START OFF ON HOW LONG YOU’VE LIVED HERE UM HOW LONG HAVE 251
YOU GUYS LIVED IN UTAH? 252
JP: ABOUT FIVE YEARS. 253
EM: WHEN DID YOU GUYS… 254
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JP: LETS SEE WAS IT 2009 MAYBE 6 YEARS NOW IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS MAYBE 255
IT WAS 3 LATE DECEMBER NOVEMBER DECEMBER OF 03 I THINK WE 256
CAME. 257
EM: OK DECEMBER OF 2003 258
JP: IT SEEMS LIKE IT. 259
EM: IS WHEN YOU GUYS MOVED HERE? 260
JP: I MEAN THAT’S THE BEST THAT I CAN RECALL. 261
EM: OK WHERE DID YOU GUYS MOVE FROM? 262
JP: A WASHINGTON WA…WASHINGTON STATE. 263
EM: OK WHERE IN WASHINGTON STATE? 264
JP: UM A WE LIVED IN YACAMA WE (INAUDIBLE) RETIREMENT FACILITY. 265
EM: UM HUH 266
JP: UM LETS SEE UM ACTUALLY ACTUALLY WE A WE MET AN A THEY CALL IT 267
INSTITUTE OF RELIGION. 268
EM: THAT’S WHERE YOU GUYS ACTUALLY MET? 269
JP: WELL TECHNICALLY NO. 270
EM: INSTITUTE OF RELIGION. 271
JP: BUT THAT’S WHEN WE MET FOR REAL. 272
EM: OK IS THAT IN WASHINGTON STATE? 273
JP: IN TACOMA. 274
EM: HOW OLD WERE YA? 275
JP: (INAUDIBLE) 276
EM: WHEN WAS THAT WHAT YEAR? 277
JP: 2000 278
EM: OK ALRIGHT WHEN DID YOU GUYS GET MARRIED? WHAT YEAR DID YOU 279
GET MARRIED? 280
JP: A 2000 A IT’S DRAWING A BLANK I THINK IT WAS 2000 BUT EITHER THAT 281
OR IT WAS 2001. 282
EM: OK 283
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JP: AND IT WAS IN APRIL. 284
EM: APRIL? 285
JP: A YEAH ACTUALLY APRIL 6TH
286
EM: OK SO YOU GUYS MET IN THE INSTITUTE OF RELIGION IN WASHINGTON 287
STATE YOU GUYS GOT MARRIED IN APRIL OF 2000 OR 2001 RIGHT? AND 288
YOU GUYS LIKED IN YACAMA. 289
JP: A ACTUALLY SORRY I WAS GOING BACKWARDS UM WE LIVED IN TACOMA. 290
EM: UM HUH 291
JP: IN HER APARTMENT AND THEN WE LIVED IN I THINK A SPANAWAY IN AN 292
APARTMENT I THINK WE MOVED TO YACAMA A TIME OR TWO WE STAYED 293
WITH FAMILY BOTH HER PARENTS AND MY DAD UM A THEN WE MOVED 294
TO YACAMA BECAUSE MANAGING A RETIREMENT FACILITY. 295
EM: UM HUH 296
JP: AND THEN WE MOVED TO OLYMPIA MANAGING ANOTHER RETIRMENT 297
FACILITY AND THEN WE MOVED TO A I THINK THAT’S WHEN WE MOVED 298
TO UTAH. (INAUDIBLE) 299
EM: OK AND YOU SAID THAT WAS UM WHEN WAS THAT A 2003? RIGHT? 300
DECEMEBER OF 2003. 301
JP: I THINK SO. 302
EM: OK 303
JP: IT SEEMS LIKE 2004 MARCHISH WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE. 304
EM: WHICH HOUSE DID YOU BUY? 305
JP: WELL THAT’S THE HOUSE. 306
EM: OK SO WHEN YOU MOVED HERE TO UTAH YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN 307
SARAH CIRCLE? 308
JP: YEAH (INAUDIBLE) STAYED WITH FAMILY UNTIL THEN. 309
EM: WHICH FAMILY DID YOU STAY WITH? 310
JP: MY SISTER. 311
EM: JENNIFER? OK WAS JENNIFER LIVING WITH A YOUR MOM AT THE TIME OR 312
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WAS SHE LIVING AWAY FROM YOUR MOM OR DO DO DO THEY LIVE 313
TOGETHER? 314
JP: NO THEY THEY LIVE TOGETHER BUT THEY DIDN’T AT THE TIME. 315
EM: OH OK 316
JP: SHE ONLY MOVED HERE MY MOM… 317
EM: UM HUH 318
JP: MAYBE LAST YEAR. 319
EM: OH OK ALRIGHT SO WHAT BROUGHT YOU GUYS TO UTAH. 320
JP: JUST UM…IM SORRY WHAT DID YOU SAY? 321
EM: WHAT BROUGHT YOU GUYS TO UTAH? 322
JP: A JUST GETTING AWAY AND GETTING STOP NOT TO FAR FROM FAMILY 323
BUT GETTING A LITTLE FARTHER FROM FAMILY YOU KNOW. 324
EM: UM HUH OK WHERE DID YOU GO TO SCHOOL? WHERE DID YOU GO TO 325
COLLEGE? DID YOU GO TO COLLEGE? 326
JP: UM THAT WAS BEFORE WE MET BUT I WENT TO THE UW, PEARCE COLLEGE 327
AND THE EASTERN WASHINGTON. 328
EM: UM HUH 329
JP: AT DIFFERENT TIMES. 330
EM: OK DO ANY SPORTS? OR WHAT WAS DID YOU GET A DEGREE THERE? 331
JP: YEAH 332
EM: WHAT DID YOU GET A DEGREE IN? 333
JP: A ASSOCIATES AND THEN I GOT A BUSINESS DEGREE. 334
EM: OK ALRIGHT SO YOU GUYS BOUGHT SO YOU MOVED HERE IN 2003 STAYED 335
WITH YOUR SISTER FOR A LITTLE WHILE THEN YOU’VE LIVED THERE EVER 336
SENSE? RIGHT? OK WHAT UM WHAT WERE YOUR GUYS EMPLOYERS WHEN 337
YOU MOVED HERE IN UTAH? 338
JP: NONE 339
EM: YOU DIDN’T HAVE A JOB AND SARAH DIDN’T SUSAN DIDN’T HAVE A JOB? 340
OK SO WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST EMPLOYERS YOURS AND SUSANS? 341
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JP: (INAUDIBLE) WHICH IS FIDELITY IT’S OUR TEMP AGENCY. 342
EM: A TEMP AGENCY? THAT WAS FOR YOU? 343
JP: BOTH 344
EM: FOR BOTH OF YA? OK 345
JP: YEAH WE BOTH WERE WE WORKED IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS I ONLY 346
LASTED AWHILE… 347
EM: UM HUH 348
JP: MAYBE A MONTH CAUSE IT WAS DATA ENTRY. 349
EM: YEAH THAT DOESN’T SOUND VERY FUN DOES IT.? 350
JP: NO AND SPEED IS NOT MY SPECIALITY. 351
EM: AND UM EXPLAIN TO ME IN MORE DETAILS AS FAR AS WHERE YOU GUYS 352
GOT JOBS AFTER THAT YOU AND HER. 353
JP: WELL SHE SHE WORKED FOR FIDELITY AND KEEPT WORK AND KEPT 354
WORKIN THERE. 355
EM: OK 356
JP: UM I THINK I MIGHT HAVE STARTED REAL ESTATE AFTER THAT. 357
EM: UM HUH WHEN DID SHE LEAVE FIDELITY? 358
JP: A SHE SHE GOT PREGNANT AND AFTER THE BABY SHE STAYED HOME. 359
EM: OK AND THAT WAS WHEN? 360
JP: UM I MEAN A I MEAN OH WHEN WAS THE BABY BORN? 361
EM: WHEN SHE STOPPED WHEN SHE STOPPED WORKING? 362
JP: OH (INAUDIBLE) IN JANUARY 19… 363
EM: STOPPED WORKING SO WHEN DID SHE STOP WORKING FIDELITY? 364
JP: PROBABLY A MONTH OR TWO AFTER HE VACATION I GUESS. 365
EM: HER VACATION? 366
JP: A FMLA. 367
EM: OK 368
JP: FAMILY (INAUDIBLE) 369
EM: SO 2005? AFTER HAVING THE CHAR UM (INAUDIBLE) 370
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JP: IT SEEMS NO NO CHARLIE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT’S ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. 371
EM: OK ALRIGHT AND THEN A YOU SAY YOU STARTED REAL ESTATE AT THAT 372
TIME? 373
JP: UM I I WENT TO A STRINGHAM 374
EM: OK AND WHO DID YOU START WORKING WITH THEN? 375
JP: A PRUDENTIAL. 376
EM: OK AND DID YOU JUST STAY WITH PRUDENTIAL OR DID YOU WHAT DID 377
YOU DO… 378
JP: NO I JUST… 379
EM: HOW LONG DID YOU STAY WITH PRUDENTIAL? 380
JP: THEY TAKE TOO MUCH ON COMMISSION. 381
EM: UM HUH 382
JP: I WAS THERE NINE MONTHS MAYBE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEN 383
I SWITCHED TO HOMENET 384
EM: AND UM DESCRIBE HOMENET MORE TO ME I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT 385
THAT IS. IS THAT A COMPANY? 386
JP: IT’S JUST A BROKER COMPANY. 387
EM: BROKER? 388
JP: HE HAS AN OFFICE THAT YOU KNOW PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND USE AND 389
HE HAS CUBICLES SOME PEOPLE RENT THEIR CUBICLES BUT I DIDN’T NEED 390
TO AT PRU…AT A PRUDENTIAL THEY THEY HAVE CUBICLES BUT THEY 391
CHARGE 50 45-50% OF THE COMMISSION. 392
EM: OH REALLY 393
JP: WHEN THEY REALLY DON’T DO ANYTHING. 394
EM: YEAH THEY JUST PROVIDE YOU A WORK SPACE. 395
JP: HOMENET CHARG… CHARGED VERY LITTLE AND THEY DON’T REALLY DO 396
ANYTHING EITEHR…. 397
EM: OK 398
JP: I MEAN THEY DO AS MUCH AS PRUDENTIAL I MEAN EVERYTHING ON THE 399
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LIST THEY DO. 400
EM: HMMM… 401
JP: SO (INAUDIBLE) 402
EM: SO IT’S (INAUDIBLE)… 403
JP: IT’S A NO BRAINER FOR ME AND AND THE ONLY REASON I WOULD STAY IS 404
IF THEY HAD A PR…A REPUTATION. 405
EM: RIGHT SO HOMENET IS BASICALLY JUST A PLACE LIKE A HOMEBASE FOR 406
YOUR COMPANY? 407
JP: UM IT’S JUST A COMPANY. 408
EM: (INAUDIBLE) IS THIS YOUR OWN COMPANY? 409
JP: HOMENETS A (INAUDIBLE) 410
EM: YOUR REAL ESTATE? NO YOUR REAL ESTATE YOUR DOING REAL ESTATE 411
SO… 412
JP: OH AS AN AGENT OK HERES WHAT THEY DO THEY HAVE A THEY HAVE 413
AGENTS AND BROKERS. 414
EM: UM HUH 415
JP: YOU HAVE TO WORK UNDER A BROKER OR ELSE YOU CANT WORK. 416
EM: RIGHT 417
JP: UM SO I JUST PICKED ONE 418
EM: OK 419
JP: AND LIKE I SAY HOMENET I JUST SOME HOW RAN INTO EM AND THEN 420
FOUND OUT THERE COMMISSION STRUCTURE AND I WAS LIKE NO 421
BRAINER. 422
EM: RIGHT YOU’D MAKE MORE MONEY. 423
JP: (INAUDIBLE) UM… AND IT AND IT REALLY DIDN’T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE 424
BECAUSE I I AND I ACTUALLY WAS TELLIN MY CLIENTS DID DID DO YOU 425
KNOW WHAT COMPANY I WORK FOR NO. THEY DON’T CARE THERE 426
REPUTATION OBVIOUSLY WASN’T HELPIN ME A WHOLE LOT. 427
EM: YEAH 428
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JP: SO I… 429
EM: BECAUSE YOU JUST BASICALLY A WAS THAT THE UM JOSH JOSH POWELL 430
REALTY RIGHT? OK GOT YA. UM SO… 431
JP: AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A BROKER LICENSE NOW MYSELF. 432
EM: OH DO YA? GOOD FOR YOU. 433
JP: AND IM… (INAUDIBLE) 434
EM: IS THAT DIFFICULT TO GET? 435
JP: WELL IM ACTIVE BUT IM I TURN PEOPLE AWAY. 436
EM: WHY? 437
JP: IM TO TO BUSY 438
EM: YEAH 439
JP: AND I DON’T FEEL LIKE I CAN WORK A FORTY HOUR JOB AND SERVE EM 440
AND SOME PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN. 441
EM: YEAH 442
JP: OR THERE GREEDY ENOUGH TO TAKE THE MONEY AND I JUST I JUST AM I I 443
JUST CANT DO IT TO EM. 444
EM: RIGHT 445
JP: I MEAN 446
EM: OK SO WHEN SHE UM SO SUSAN QUITS WORKIN IN 2005 AND YOU GUYS 447
HAVE A CHILD DOES SHE GO BACK TO WORK? 448
JP: I DON’T THINK SHE WORKED FOR A YEAR AND HALF OR TWO YEARS OR… 449
EM: OK 450
JP: A PROBABLY A YEAR YEAR AND A HALF UM I JUST I CANT EVEN 451
REMEMBER. I THINK OH SHE WENT BACK TO WORK FOR FIDELITY FOR 452
AWHILE I THINK SOMEONE PAID THE INSURANCE. 453
EM: SO YOU THINK SHE WENT BACK TO WORK AT FIDELITY? 454
JP: I THINK SO I I JUST AM TRYIN TO REMEMBER HOW ALL THIS FIT TOGETHER 455
SHE UM SHE WE HAD INSURANCE ON BOTH KIDS. 456
EM: UM HUH 457
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JP: AS I RECALL I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN FIDELITY AND THEN AFTER THE 458
OTHER BABY YOU KNOW 459
EM: UM HUH 460
JP: SHE UM A LETS SEE AFTER SHE WENT I THINK SHE TOOK A 461
YEAR OFF OR SOME AMOUNT OF TIME OFF. 462
EM: UM HUH 463
JP: IN FACT I THINK IT WAS A YEAR. 464
EM: UM K… 465
JP: CAUSE I JUST REMEMBER SHE COULDN’T BACK AND WORK FOR FIDELITY 466
AND THAT’S WHY SHE ENDED UP AT WELLS FARGO. 467
EM: OK SO WHEN DID SHE GO WORK FOR WELLS FARGO? 468
JP: UM ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO MAYBE. 469
EM: OK 470
JP: I THINK MAYBE JANUARY 15TH
OR SOMETHING? 471
EM: YEAH OK 472
JP: I DON’T KNOW OH AND THEN I WORKED FOR A I WORKED FOR A DUDE IN 473
ACCOUNTING FOR SIX WEEKS. 474
EM: OK 475
JP: FROM JANUARY 2ND
I THINK IS WHEN I STARTED. 476
EM: UM HUH 477
JP: BUT HE WAS KIND OF A SHISTER AND SO I DIDN’T WANT TO STAY HE I 478
MEAN HE HE WASN’T REALLY BUT HIS CLIENTS WERE AND HE WAS 479
WILLING TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY AND IM GOIN I DON’T THINK SO HE 480
HAD A DUDE THAT WAS GALL WHAT WAS IT THERE WAS A GUY RUNNING 481
A BUSINESS. 482
EM: SO DID YOU JUST… 483
JP: I THINK HE WAS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT A OR ASKING THEM TO 484
CHANGE THINGS YOU KNOW FOR AN AUDITOR. 485
EM: RIGHT 486
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JP: OR SOMETHING AND UM… 487
EM: SO DID YOU JUST WORK FOR THEM FOR TIME AND THEN GO TO 488
(INAUDIBLE) 489
JP: I CANT REMEMBER (INAUDIBLE) ANYTHING ELSE THAT DROVE ANOTHER 490
BUSINESS OUT OF BUSINESS. 491
EM: OK BUT DID YOU JUST STAY WITH THEM FOR A SHORT TIME AND THEN GO 492
TO ASPEN LOGISTICS AFTER THAT? 493
JP: YEAH 494
EM: WHATS ASPEN LOGISTICS TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT? 495
JP: UM THERE THERE TRACKING LOGISTICS. 496
EM: UM HUH 497
JP: BASICALLY THEY HAVE A WAREHOUSE, RACKING, FORKLIFTS AND DOOR 498
TRUCK DOORS AND THEY JUST MOVE IT IN MOVE IT OUT, 499
EM: WHAT DO YOU DO FOR THEM? 500
JP: SOMETIMES ILL (INAUDIBLE) DOCK IT INTO ANOTHER TRUCK. UM I I 501
PROGRAM… 502
EM: OK 503
JP: I PROGRAM THEIR WEBSITE. 504
EM: OK ALRIGHT UM SO WHAT ARE SOME HOBBIES THAT A THAT YOU AND 505
SUSAN ARE INTERESTED IN? 506
JP: UM WELL I I LIKE WOOD WORKING. 507
EM: UM HUH 508
JP: AND ART AND I USUALLY I LIKE WORKIN ON THE HOUSE YOU KNOW FIXIN 509
BUILD OH NOT FIXING BUT BUILDING THE DECK AND THINGS LIKE THAT 510
YOU KNOW? 511
EM: UM HUH 512
JP: SUSAN LIKES ART. 513
EM: SHE LIKES WHAT? 514
JP: SHE SHE LIKES ART. 515
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EM: OH ART OK 516
JP: SHE LIKES CROCHETING UM SHE LIKES FACEBOOK (LAUGHING) IF YOU 517
CAN CALL THAT A HOBBY, 518
EM: THAT’S MOST PEOPLE YEAH… 519
JP: UM SHE LIKES OUR KIDS AND YOU KNOW BEING WITH THEM WELL AND 520
OBVIOUSLY I DO TO. 521
EM: YEAH ABSOLUTELY 522
JP: UM WE JUST LIKE TO GO TO USUALLY THE CHEAP PLACES NOT ALWAYS 523
BUT UM WE GOT A ZOO MEMBERSHIP. 524
EM: UM HUH 525
JP: ANYWAY WE GO THERE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES SIX OR I DON’T 526
KNOW UM UM… 527
EM: SO THOSE ARE SOME HOBBIES THAT SHE LIKES SHE ENJOYS… 528
JP: OH AND WE GO WE EAT OUT ON KIND OF A REGULAR BASIS. 529
EM: WHAT? 530
JP: SOMETIMES WE EAT OUT 531
EM: OH OK 532
JP: A LITTLE BIT MORE OFTEN THEN WE SHOULD. 533
EM: YEAH I KNOW DON’T WE ALWAYS LIKE EATIN OUT ALWAYS TASTES 534
BETTER DON’T IT? 535
JP: YEAH KIND OF IT KIND OF DOES. 536
EM: UNLESS IF YOU GET A BAD RESTRAUNANT. 537
JP: THEY USUALLY PUT ENOUGH FAT IN IT THAT WE DON’T PUT IN IT THAT 538
THAT’S BETTER TASTING. 539
EM: YEAH EXACTLY 540
JP: BUT UM IT’S ALSO CHEAPER. 541
EM: UM HUH 542
JP: SOMETIMES CAUSE WE GO TO DEL TACO. 543
EM: YEAH 544
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JP: FOR TUESDAY AND WE CAN EAT OUR WHOLE FAMILY FOR FIVE BUCKS 545
EM: REALLY? WOW 546
JP: $4.70 547
EM: UM WHAT ARE SOME OTHER THINGS? 548
JP: $4.70 FOUR FIVE FOUR OR FIVE BUCKS PLUS TAX. 549
EM: YEAH WHAT ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT SHE LIKES TO DO? I MEAN 550
WE TALKED ABOUT SOME HOBBIES WHAT ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT 551
SHE LIKES TO DO? 552
JP: UM MAKEUP SHE HAS LIKE SHE HAS A CLUB OR SOMETHING. 553
EM: UM HUH 554
JP: OR NOT A SHE JUST HAS FRIENDS THAT SHE DOES IT WITH. 555
EM: UM HUH 556
JP: SHE HAS A SHE HAD A FOOD PARTY. 557
EM: UM HUH 558
JP: JUST WANTED TO HAVE EVERYONE OVER 559
EM: UM HUH 560
JP: TO TASTE FOOD SO WE DID WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF FOOD FROM THAT. 561
EM: TELL ME EVERYTHING ABOUT HER THINGS THAT SHE LIKED TO DO 562
PLACES SHE LIKED TO GO PLACES THAT SHE LIKED TO REVISIT THAT SHE 563
WOULD FREQUENTLY GO TO? 564
JP: UM A SHE WOULD GO TO HER FRIENDS HOUSES MOST OF WHICH I 565
ALREADY TOLD YOU. 566
EM: WHICH WHICH FRIENDS HOUSE WOULD SHE GO TO THE MOST? 567
JP: SHE GOES TO THEM ALL 568
EM: YEAH BUT THERES GOTTA BE MORE OF A LIKE A PERSON THAT’S MORE 569
FREQUENT I MEAN WE ALL HAVE A WE ALL HAVE FRIENDS. 570
JP: IT ROTATES. IT KIND OF LIKE IT KIND OF ALMOST ROTATES. A SOMETIMES 571
IT’S ONE SOMETIMES IT’S ANOTHER (INAUDIBLE) 572
EM: OK WHO HAS IT BEEN THE LAST THREE MONTHS? 573
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JP: UM THE PETERSONS SHES TALKED TO QUIT A BIT. IF … 574
EM: HOW ABOUT GOING TO THERE HOMES AND VISITING WHO WOULD BE THE 575
MOST FREQUENT? 576
JP: YEAH IVE FOUND HER…IVE FOUND HER OVER THERE A FEW TIMES. 577
EM: UM HUH 578
JP: UM…AND IVE HAD TO GO PICK HER UP CAUSE OF WELL IT WAS JUST DARK 579
AND I DIDN’T WANT HER TO WALK WITH THE KIDS HOME THOUGH ALL 580
THE WAY HOME YOU KNOW? 581
EM: YEAH 582
JP: UM…JUDY WADE COMES OVER ALL THE TIME. 583
EM: JUDY WADE COMES OVER TO YOUR HOUSE? 584
JP: AND THEN SHE GOES OVER THERE SOMETIMES. 585
EM: OK 586
JP: UM DEBBIE THE DAY DAYCARE LADY. 587
EM: UM HUH YEAH DEBBIE DAYCARE PROVIDER. 588
JP: SHES BEEN HANGIN OUT WITH HER REGULARLY 589
EM: K 590
JP: LIKE COUPLE TIMES A MONTH OR SOMETHING IT SEEMS LIKE. 591
EM: OK 592
JP: UM… 593
EM: K WHAT UM 594
JP: UM SHE SHE USE TO GO OVER TO KIRSTIES ALL THE TIME BUT I DON’T 595
KNOW IF THEY REALLY GET TOGETHER IN PERSON A LOT OH AND SHE 596
LIKES TO GO TO THE CROCHET CLUB. 597
EM: UM HUH 598
JP: THEY DO HAVE A CROCHET CLUB IN THE CHURCH, 599
EM: OK 600
JP: UM AND SHE GOES TO ALL KINDS OF ACTIVITIES WITH THE CHURCH UM 601
SHE LIKES TO SING IN THE CHOIR. 602
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EM: OK 603
JP: OH AND THAT SOMETIMES SHE LEAVES AGAIN FOR THAT USUALLY 604
SUNDAYS SOMETIMES WEEKNIGHTS. 605
EM: YEAH 606
JP: UM SHE LIKES TO GO OUT WITH GIRLS NIGHTS OH A TARA ALLRED AND 607
ALLISON ST. LOUIS I FORGOT TO MENTION THEM I DON’T KNOW IF YOU… 608
EM: HOW CLOSE WAS SHE TO THEM? 609
JP: UM…THEY ALL SEEM LIKE THERE CLOSE WITH HER. 610
EM: OK LET’S GO THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK UM GIVE ME A LIST OF 611
CHECKING ACCOUNTS CREDIT CARDS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. 612
JP: WELL SHE HAS IT SEEMS LIKE SHE HAS A COUPLE OF ACCOUNTS AT 613
614
EM: OK 615
JP: UM… 616
EM: SO IS THAT GONNA BE JOINT OR INDIVIDUAL? 617
JP: UM I THINK THERES A JOINT AND AN INDIVIDUAL ONE OF EACH. 618
EM: OK K SO 619
JP: A WE HAVE RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS THERE. 620
EM: OK IM JUST TALKING LIKE CREDIT CARDS OR CHECKING ACCOUNTS. 621
JP: OH OH YEAH UM OK WE HAVE AT THE 622
THAT’S A LONG TIME CREDIT UNION FOR US. 623
EM: UM HUH SO THAT’S JOINT? 624
JP: A YES. 625
EM: OK 626
JP: UM 627
EM: OK 628
JP: I THINK THERE MIGHT BE TWO ACCOUNTS THERE CURRENTLY I THINK WE 629
HAD A JOINT AND A AND I OPENED UP A PERSONAL ONE. 630
EM: OK ALRIGHT. 631
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JP: UM IVE GOT SEVERAL BUSINESS ACCOUNTS THERE.SHE DOESN’T 632
ACCESS THOSE AT ALL. 633
EM: OK 634
JP: UM WELL AND I I DON’T THINK SHE HAS ANY ACCOUNTS AT CHASE. 635
EM: OK 636
JP: I GOT LIKE MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE I DON’T KNOW. I GOT A COUPLE FOR 637
BUSINESS I THINK AT LEAST I THINK I GOT ONE FOR MY REALESTATE 638
BROKERAGE. 639
EM: UM HUH 640
JP: THAT WAS REQUIRED THAT’S JUST EMPTY. 641
EM: UM HUH 642
JP: AND I GOT ONE THAT’S JUST A PERSONAL ACCOUNT BECAUSE THEY GAVE 643
ME TWO HUNDRED BUCKS OR A HUNDRED OR TWO HUNDRED I DON’T 644
REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. 645
EM: YEAH (INAUDIBLE) I REMEMBER SEEING THAT ADVERTISEMENT. 646
JP: AND I WAS LIKE WHATEVER 647
EM: YEAH 648
JP: AND THEN THERE LIKE YOU HAVE TO DIRECT DEPOSIT, 649
EM: UM HUH 650
JP: OH FINE SO I PUT FIFTY BUCKS IN THERE EVERY MONTH. 651
EM: YEAH YEAH I USE TO A GET THE I DON’T GET THE SAME THING. 652
JP: WELL IT’S ACTUALLY NOT A BAD BANK I I HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH I WAS 653
WITH WITH MY BUSINESS BUT I IVE BEEN HAPPY 654
WITH YOU KNOW. 655
EM: RIGHT 656
JP: THERE THERE EQUIVALENT TO EXCEPT NOT AS 657
CASUAL 658
EM: YEAH SO WE GOT 659
WHAT ELSE….
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JP: I CAN’T THINK OF ANY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. DID YOU LOOK IN HER 661
WALLET AND SEE IF ANY OF THAT OR? 662
EM: UM 663
JP: AND SEE IF THERES ANY OTHERS? 664
EM: I SEEN THAT THERE WAS A 665
JP: UM YEAH SHE I THINK SHES GOT A COUPLE ACCOUNTS AT 666
EM: OK 667
JP: HONESTLY IF SHE WORKS THERE THEY GIVE HER EVERYTHING FREE. 668
EM: OK HOW BOUT CREDIT CARDS. YOU KNOW 669
JP: OH A… 670
EM: UM 671
JP: 672
EM: IS THAT JOINT? 673
JP: NO 674
EM: YOURS OR HERS? 675
JP: IT’S HERS. OH AND I THINK YEAH SHES GOT A 676
CARD. 677
EM: K SO 678
JP: YEAH 679
EM: HOW BOUT GAS CARDS? 680
JP: I DON’T THINK (INAUDIBLE) 681
EM: FOR GAS COMPANIES 682
JP: I I I JUST CANT THINK OF ANY THAT SHE WOULD HAVE. I HAVE ONE… 683
EM: YOU HAVE ONE. 684
JP: I THINK IVE HAD IT FOR TWELVE I MEAN I CANT SAY HOW LONG BUT IVE 685
HAD IT FOR A LONG TIME? 686
EM: OK IS THAT WHAT YOU USE TO GET GAS. DO YOU USE IT TO GET YOUR 687
GAS? WHATS THAT THROUGH? 688
JP: UM 689
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EM: OK ANY OTHER CREDIT CARDS? 690
JP: A I HAVE A 691
EM: OK ANYTHING ELSE? 692
JP: I JUST CAN’T THINK OF ANY. 693
EM: OK ALRIGHT SO OUT OF ALL THE ACCOUNTS. 694
JP: OH AND I HAVE HER CARD CAUSE SHE WELL I DON’T HAVE MY PIN. 695
EM: OH OK 696
JP: AND SO WHEN I NEED TO GO SHOPPING AT WINCO WHICH IS A BRAND NEW 697
STORE OVER THERE IN WEST VALLEY 698
EM: UM HUH 699
JP: UM THEY DON’T TAKE CREDIT SO… 700
EM: OH 701
JP: IVE GOT CAUGHT THERE A TIME OR TWO AND IVE HAD TO GO BACK AND 702
GET BASICALLY HER DEBIT CARD CAUSE IT’S THE ONLY ONE WE KNOW 703
THE PIN ON. 704
EM: OK OK SO YOU HAVE THAT CARD? 705
JP: YEAH 706
EM: SHE’S… 707
JP: AND I I THINK THEY CHARGE A COUPLE BUCKS FOR THE PIN TO RESET. 708
EM: YEAH PROBABLY 709
JP: I DIDN’T I JUST HAVENT DONE IT CAUSE THAT’S THE ONLY STORE I NEED 710
TO HAVE A PIN AND I HAVENT UM I PROBABLY SHOULD GO GET IT RESET. 711
EM: OK ALRIGHT LETS TALK UM LETS TALK MORE ABOUT UM THESE ARE ALL 712
THE CREDIT CARDS AND CHECKING ACCOUNTS, DEBIT CARDS THAT SHE 713
WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO OR MAY USE. 714
JP: THAT’S ALL I COULD THINK OF. 715
EM: RIGHT? 716
JP: THAT’S ALL I CAN THINK OF. 717
EM: OK IF YOU THINK OF ANOTHER ONE JUST LET ME KNOW SO WE CAN JOT IT 718
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DOWN OK? 719
JP: YEAH 720
EM: UM LETS GO BACK TO UM THE AND HER AND YOU UM YOU STATED THAT 721
YOU KNOW SHE LOVED THE KIDS SHE LOVED DOING THINGS WITH THE 722
KIDS A TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HER AND 723
AND THE BOYS. 724
JP: UM YOU KNOW SHE SHE LOVES THEM I MEAN SHE WE BOTH READ THEM 725
STORIES UM YOU KNOW WE WE WE JUST WOULD PREFER TO TAKE THEM 726
A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO LEAVE THE KIDS HOME AND GET AWAY, 727
EM: UM HUH 728
JP: AND ITS LIKE WERE THE OPPOSITE OF COURSE WE WORK SO WE DON’T 729
WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THEM WE WANT T GET BACK TO THEM. 730
EM: EXACTLY 731
JP: AND THAT’S THE WAY SHE SHE IS WITH THE KIDS. JUST UM UM SHE LIKES 732
TO DO ART WITH THEM. 733
EM: UM HUH 734
JP: A SHE SAVES THEIR LITTLE DRAWINGS WHICH I DO TO BUT UM UM SHES 735
MAKING A BABY BOOK FOR EM… 736
EM: UM HUH 737
JP: A…EACH OF THEM YEAH 738
EM: THAT’S ALWAYS NICE. 739
JP: OH AND THEN SHE READS (INAUDIBLE) UM SOMETIMES FOR STORIES, 740
EM: UM 741
JP: A SHE ALWAYS LIKES TO BUY THEM TOYS. LIKE AT THE DOLLAR STORE. 742
EM: UM HUH 743
JP: WHICH IS ANNOYING BECAUSE THEY SUCK (INAUDIBLE) 744
EM: DOLLAR QUALITY 745
JP: IM LIKE IF YOUR GONNA BUY A TOY BUY A NICE ONE. 746
EM: K 747
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JP: BUT THEN AGAIN IF SHES GONNA BUY IT EVERYTIME SHE GOES OUT A 748
WHATEVER THE KIDS LIKE IT YOU KNOW. 749
EM: YEAH 750
JP: I MEAN…UM SHE LIKES TO HELP THEM PICK UP THE TOYS AND LEARN 751
HOW TO DO ALL THESE THINGS YOU KNOW? 752
EM: UM HUH 753
JP: UM HMM…SOMETIMES WE WATCH A MOVIE WITH THEM JUST USUALLY 754
AT HOME SOMETIMES WE GO OUT TO DO IT USUALLY WELL I SAY 755
USUALLY BUT IT’S ALMOST ALWAYS AT THE CHEAP THEATRE. 756
EM: YEAH 757
JP: CAUSE I I I MEAN CAUSE I JUST WON’T DO IT I MEAN THE DAYCARE 758
PROVIDER APPARENTLY TAKES THEM TO THE EXPENSIVE THEATRE. 759
EM: UM HUH 760
JP: UM AND SHES LIKE IT’S TOO DIRTY AND I DON’T WANT TO PUT YOUR KIDS 761
IN THAT FILTH I MEAN I DON’T WANT TO LET THEM EAT OFF THE FLOOR. 762
EM: YEAH 763
JP: THAT WOULD DISGUSTING IN ANY THEATRE BUT I JUST CANT I JUST CANT 764
SEE IT YOU KNOW SO WE BUY EM ON DVD. 765
EM: K 766
JP: A…STUFF LIKE THAT. 767
EM: SO SHE ENJOYED BEING WITH KIDS AS WELL AS YOURSELF WHEN YOU 768
GUYS WERENT AT WORK RIGHT? UM…K 769
JP: AND WE JUST FIND FAMILY ACTIVITIES OH AND WE GO FEED THE DUCKS 770
ALL THE TIME. 771
EM: UM HUH 772
JP: UM I HAVE AN RC CAR SOMETIMES WILL GO OUT AND DRIVE THAT 773
ALTHOUGH SHES NOT FOND OF THE RC CAR. 774
EM: YEAH 775
JP: WHAT CAN YOU DO? 776
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EM: (INAUDIBLE) OK 777
JP: BUT SHE DOES LOVE THE FACT THAT I HAVE IT SCALED DOWN TO THE 778
KIDS SPEED. 779
EM: RIGHT 780
JP SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY GRAB THE REMOTE AND DRIVE IT. 781
EM: OK WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO USUALLY DO WHAT DO YOU LIKE TO DO? 782
WHAT DO YOU DO MOST FREQUENTLY TOGETHER AS A FAMILY WHEN 783
YOU LEAVE THE HOME? I MEANYOU MENTIONED THE ZOO; YOU 784
MENTIONED THE GOING OUT TO EAT? MOVIES? IS THERE ANY OTHER 785
STUFF ANY OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES THAT YOU GUYS FREQUENTLY GO DO? 786
JP: WELL MOSTLY GOING OUT TO EAT. 787
EM: UM HUH 788
JP: UM WE WE DO THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS. 789
EM: HMMM K 790
JP: AND I ACTUALLY AM I I KINDA HAVE TO GO OUT WITH MY FRIENDS AT 791
WORK UM PARTLY WANT TO PARTLY HAVE TO. 792
EM: UM HUH 793
JP: WELL I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO IT DOESN’T. 794
EM: RIGHT 795
JP: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 796
EM: YEAH 797
JP: THAT’S ONCE A WEEK BUT ALL EVERY YEAH I MEAN WE USUALLY JUST 798
GO AS A FAMILY TO EAT YOU KNOW. 799
EM: UM HUH 800
JP: WELL SHES GONE OUT TO EAT… 801
EM: OK WHAT ABOUT OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES LIKE ON THE WEEKEND 802
JP: SHE… 803
EM: WHAT DO YOU GUYS I MEAN YOU GUYS UM FREQUENT DO YOU GUYS 804
FREQUENTLY LEAVE THE HOME ON THE WEEKENDS OR AND GO OUT AND 805
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DO OUTDOOR ACTIVITIED OVER NIGHT OR DURING THE DAY? 806
JP: I MEAN I I GO CAMPING WITH MY SONS LIKE I I MADE A GOAL (INAUDIBLE) 807
DO IT. 808
EM: OK 809
JP: AND I DECIDED TO DO IT. 810
EM: WERE COMIN LET’S SEE WELL IT’S ALMOST THE END OF 2009. HOW HOW 811
MANY TIMES DO YOU THINK YOU GUYS WENT CAMPING THIS YEAR? 812
JP: THREE OR FOUR. 813
EM: OK AND THAT’S… 814
JP: BUT IT’S JUST (INAUDIBLE) 815
EM: (INAUDIBLE) OR OVER THE OVER THE YEAR? 816
JP: YEAH JUST SPORADIC I MEAN I THINK LAST YEAR I DID IT TWO OR THREE 817
TIMES. 818
EM: OK SO YOU SAY THREE OR FOUR TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR 819
WOULD BE COMMON? 820
JP: UM I TRY TO GO MORE FREQUENTLY BUT I… 821
EM: RIGHT A JUST TIME… 822
JP: MY KIDS BEG ME AND I… 823
EM: I WENT ONCE THIS LAST YEAR SO JUST TIME DOESN’T PERMIT REALLY A 824
WHOLE LOT. UM OK 825
JP: UM…I (INAUDIBLE) WE GO TO THE FAIR. 826
EM: HMM…K 827
JP: UM WE GO TO THE DIFFERENT KINDA OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THE 828
YOU KNOW JUST KIND OF EVENTS. 829
EM: UM HUH IN THE VALLEY? 830
JP: YOU KNOW AROUND THE VALLEY. 831
EM: OK 832
JP: UM WE GO DOWN WE WENT DOWN TO THAT A WHEELER FARM. 833
EM: OK 834
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JP: WENT DOWN THERE A COUPLE TIMES I REALLY LIKE THAT PLACE YOU 835
KNOW 836
EM: YEAH ITS NICE K WELL WEVE TALKED QUIT A BIT ABOUT UM ABOUT 837
EVERYBODY YOU, HER, THE KIDS WHAT YOU GUYS LIKE TO DO UM AND I 838
APPRECIATE YOU TALKING WITH ME ABOUT THAT CAUSE IT KIND OF 839
GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW THE THINGS 840
THAT SHE LIKES TO DO PLACES SHE LIKES TO GO PEOPLE WHO SHE LIKES 841
TO GO VISIT. 842
JP: YEAH 843
EM: OK UM LET’S START WITH UM LETS START WITH SUN…A LETS START 844
WITH FRIDAY. OK YOU GUYS DID YOU GUYS BOTH GO TO WORK ON 845
FRIDAY? 846
JP: YEAH 847
EM: OK AND UM IM GUESSING THAT THE KIDS PROBABLY WENT TO DAYCARE? 848
JP: YEAH 849
EM: OK UM LET’S START WITH UM YOU TOOK HER TO WORK ON FRIDAY? 850
JP: YEAH WE GET UP IN THE MORNING… 851
EM: BUT HOW DOES THAT HOW DID THAT ROUTINE GO DUDE… 852
JP: UM BASICALLY WE GET UP IN THE MORNING. 853
EM: UM HUH 854
JP: WE FEED THE KIDS UM AT LEAST WE TRY. 855
EM: UM HUH 856
JP: UM…LOAD EM UP DROP EM OFF AT DAYCARE. 857
EM: OK 858
JP: AND THEN I DRIVE DRIVE OVER TO HER WORK AND DROP HER OFF AND 859
THEN I DRIVE TO MY WORK. 860
EM: OK 861
JP: AND THEN IM THERE THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND THEN SHE A LETS SEE 862
SOMETIMES I GO HOME AFTER WORK AND SOMETIMES I GO STRAIGHT TO HER 863
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WORK CAUSE I WORK IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS HER. 864
EM: OK 865
JP: IT’S PROBABLY ONLY A MILE OUT OF THE WAY. 866
EM: RIGHT 867
JP: AND SHES PRO…I MEAN IM PROBABLY MAYBE SEVEN MILES… 868
EM: OK 869
JP: AND SHES PROBABLY TEN WHATEVER IT IS SHES ALITTLE FURTHER. 870
EM: OK 871
JP: BUT STILL THE SAME DIRECTION. 872
EM: SO AS FAR AS FRIDAY YOU GUYS GO READY DROPPED THE KIDS OFF AT 873
DAYCARE YOU TOOK HER TO WORK DROPPED HER OFF YOU WENT TO 874
WORK AND THEN DID YOU GO PICK HER UP AND THEN GO HOME OR DID 875
YOU GO HOME GO TO THE DAYCARE? 876
JP: I THINK I PICKED HER UP. 877
EM: OK SO YOU PICKED HER UP AND THEN WENT… 878
JP: I THINK I MIGHT HAVE PICKED UP THE KIDS FIRST…THEN PICKED HER UP 879
EM: (INAUDIBLE) IMPORTANT UM BUT THAT’S COMMON ROUTINE RIGHT? 880
JP: UM HUH 881
EM: IS IS WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AND YOU DO THAT MONDAY 882
THROUGH FRIDAY? 883
JP: YEAH 884
EM: OK UM WHAT ABOUT A LETS LETS START LETS START WITH SATURDAY. 885
JP: K 886
EM: K SO UM START SATURDAY WITH ME AND START FROM THE TIME THAT 887
YOU GUYS WOKE UP TILL LUNCH TIME AND EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT YOU 888
GUYS DID UM SATURDAY MORNING UP UNTIL LUNCH TIME. 889
JP: WENT TO A PARTY OH WE WENT AND DID ACTIVITIES WITH THE BOYS. 890
EM: OK 891
JP: UM WE WENT TO HOME DEPOT AND THEN WE WENT TO LOWES AND WE 892
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BUILT A I CAN’T REMEMBER WHAT WE BUILT THIS TIME… 893
EM: OK 894
JP: A WAGON IT’S A WAGON UM WERE DOING A GINGER BREAD HOUSE FROM 895
LOWES I JUST PICKED IT UP AND THEN WE WENT TO A CHURCH PARTY 896
BASICALLY UM BREAKFAST YOU KNOW. 897
EM: UM HUH 898
JP: A WE ATE PANCAKES AND EGGS OH YEAH EGGS AND HASHBROWNS THEY 899
DID SOME ACTIVITIES THE KIDS STARTED MAKIN A CHAIN ANOTHER 900
CHAIN PAPER CHAIN UM UM THAT WAS ABOUT IT AND THEN WE WENT 901
HOME. 902
EM: AND THIS IS BETWEEN MORNING TO NOON? OR LUNCH TIME. 903
JP: I THINK IT WAS ABOUT TWELVE OR TWELVE THIRTY. 904
EM: OK 905
JP: UM SHE HAD TO WORK IN THE AFTERNOON SO… 906
EM: ON SATURDAY? 907
JP: YEAH AND SO SHE SHE ACTUALLY SHE STARTED TO DRIVE TO WORK 908
CAUSE SHE HAD THE BOYS WAGON AND SO THEY WERE SCREAMIN 909
ABOUT IT AND SO SHE WAS ONLY A FEW BLOCKS AWAY AND SHE 910
BROUGHT THEM BACK. 911
EM: OK AND THAT’S AFTERNOON OR IS THAT IN THE MORNING? 912
JP: NO THAT WAS NOONISH. 913
EM: OK SO LET’S SO WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE… 914
JP: OH AND THEN THE THEN THE TRAFFIC MIGHT HAVE BEEN SLOW BECAUSE 915
OF THE SNOW. 916
EM: OK WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE BETWEEN FROM THE TIME YOU WOKE UP 917
UNTIL NOON THAT TOOK PLACE I MEAN ANY ARGUMENTS ANY 918
DISAGREEMENTS? 919
JP: NO 920
EM: UM ANYTHING LIKE THAT? 921
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JP: UH HUH 922
EM: ALRIGHT SO FROM LETS GO FROM NOON UNTIL BEDTIME ON SATURDAY 923
AND WALK ME THROUGH STEP BY STEP ON FROM NOON UNTIL BEDTIME 924
AND INCLUDE YOU KNOW IF THERES ANY ARGUMENTS 925
DISAGREEMENTS… 926
JP: A JOVANNA WAS OVER SATURDAY CAUSE WE TOOK HER KID AND SHE UM 927
SHE HAS A TEN YEAR OLD AND THEN SHE STAYED OVER TO YOU KNOW 928
HANG OUT AND YOU KNOW SHE WANTS HER KIDS TO SEE HOW TO BUILD 929
A DECK AND ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS YOU KNOW. 930
EM: UM HUH 931
JP: UM…I MEAN THAT WAS BASICALLY IT I MEAN WE JUST HUNG OUT UNTIL 932
SUSAN GOT HOME. 933
EM: WHAT TIME DID SHE LEAVE? 934
JP: UM FOR SOME REASON I WAS THINKIN THAT THAT SHE STAYED LONGER. 935
EM: APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME DID SHE LEAVE FOR WORK? 936
JP: OH SUSAN? 937
EM: YEAH 938
JP: SHE A UM NOON. 939
EM: OK WHAT TIME DID SHE GET HOME…? 940
JP: I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN… 941
EM: APPROXIMATELY? 942
JP: YEAH I THINK IT WAS I THINK SHE WAS YOU KNOW MAYBE ELEVEN 943
THIRTY. 944
EM: AT NIGHT? 945
JP: NO (MUMBLING) MORNING. 946
EM: OK WHAT TIME DID SHE GET HOME FROM WORK? 947
JP: SIX 948
EM: OK 949
JP: I GUESS YEAH SIXISH… 950
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EM: WHAT TIME DID JOVANNA GET THERE ON SATURDAY? 951
JP: TWELVE... 952
EM: AND SHE LEFT AT WHAT TIME? 953
JP: OR ONE…UM… 954
EM: DID SHE STAY THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME OR DID SHE JUST PICK 955
UP HER KID AND LEAVE? 956
JP: UM I I ACTUALLY BROUGHT HER KID TO THAT PLACE AND TO THE PARTY 957
AND THEN I PICKED AND I CARRIED HIM AND I DROVE HIM TO MY HOUSE. 958
EM: ALRIGHT SO JOVANNA DIDN’T COME… 959
JP: AND THEN SHE CAME AND MET US AN HOUR OR SOMETHING LATER 960
MAYBE. 961
EM: AT YOUR HOUSE? 962
JP: AND MAYBE ONE I IT’S HARD TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 963
EM: ALRIGHT SO JOVANNA CAME TO YOUR HOUSE ON SATURDAY? 964
JP: YEAH 965
EM: OK AND SHE CAME OVER WHILE SUSAN WAS AT WORK? 966
JP: YEAH 967
EM: OK 968
JP: UM WELL… 969
EM: AND DID SHE STAY THER FOR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME? 970
JP: YEAH 971
EM: OK 972
JP: FIVE FIVE OR SIX HOURS I THINK. 973
EM: OK SHE STAYED THERE FOR FIVE OR SIX HOURS? OK AND WHAT DID YOU 974
GUYS DO IN THAT TIME FRAME YOU SAID YOU GUYS JUST WAITED 975
AROUND FOR SUSAN TO GET HOME? 976
JP: NO I JUST… 977
EM: OH 978
JP: WORKING ON STUFF… 979
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EM: OK WHAT KIND OF STUFF WERE YOU WORKING ON? 980
JP: UM...WELL BUILDING A PICTURE FRAME JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP 981
GENERALLY. 982
EM: OK UM SORRY IT JUST SOUNDS ODD.WHY DID SHE COME OVER AND HELP 983
YOU CLEAN YOUR HOUSE? 984
JP: NO JUST TO DO WORK WOOD WORKING. 985
EM: OK 986
JP: UM…BUT THE PROBLEM IS THERES NO ROOM TO GET ALL THE TOOLS OUT 987
SOMETIMES SO JUST HAVE TO MAKE ROOM SOMETIMES. 988
EM: SO SUSAN GETS HOME AROUND SIX YOU SAY? 989
JP: YEAH 990
EM: SATURDAY NIGHT OK LETS TALK ABOUT FROM THE TIME THAT SHE GOT 991
HOME TO THE TIME YOU GUYS WENT TO BED. TELL ME EVERYTHING YOU 992
GUYS DID THAT NIGHT. WHAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT? WHAT YOU 993
ARGUED? YOUR SITTIN HERE THINKIN AND I KNOW YOUR THINKING… 994
JP: WE DIDN’T WE DIDN’T A WE DIDN’T WE WERENT ARGUING. 995
EM: I I DIDN’T… 996
JP: WE HAD A BABYSITTER I THINK HER SON WAS BABYSITTING AND I 997
CANT REMEMBER WHAT I CANT EVEN REMEMBER WHAT WE WERE DOING 998
WITH THE BABYSITTER THERE. 999
EM: OK SO YOU DON’T REMEMBER WHAT YOU GUYS DID FROM SIX O’CLOCK 1000
TILL YOU GUYS WENT TO BED ON SATURDAY NIGHT. 1001
JP: I JUST DON’T REMEMBER WHAT ACTIVITY WE WERE DOING. 1002
EM: OK IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU REMEMBER FROM THAT NIGHT? 1003
JP: UM WELL WE GOT HOME AND ALEX HAD THE KIDS UP WELL SORT OF AND 1004
THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO BE IN BED BUT THEY WERENT. 1005
EM: OK 1006
JP: UM SHE WANTED THEM IN BED SO WE HAD TO GET THAT DONE UM I 1007
THINK WE WATCHED A MOVIE. 1008
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EM: OK 1009
JP: PROBABLY SANTA CLAUS TWO. 1010
EM: ALRIGHT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM THAT NIGHT THAT YOU 1011
REMEMBER? 1012
JP: UH HUH 1013
EM: OK LETS MOVE ON TO SUNDAY FROM THE TIME THAT YOU WOKE UP 1014
FROM THE TIME YOU GUYS WOKE UP UNTIL SHE CAME HOME FROM 1015
CHURCH LETS TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT TOOK PLACE WHAT WAS 1016
SAID WHAT WAS DONE UM BETWEEN THE TIME YOU WOKE UP TILL THE 1017
TIME SHE GOT HOME FROM CHURCH ON SUNDAY. 1018
JP: UM NOT A WHOLE LOT WAS SAID OR DONE IN THE MORNING I MEAN A LOT 1019
OF TIMES WE SLEEP IN IN THE MORNING. 1020
EM: UM HUH 1021
JP: UM YEAH I THINK SHE JUST GOT THE KIDS READY AND LEFT. 1022
EM: WHAT TIME? 1023
JP: PROBABLY 9:50 I GUESS. 1024
EM: OK 1025
JP: IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS A TEN O’CLOCK CHURCH. 1026
EM: OK NO PROBLEMS THAT MORNING NO DISAGREEMENTS NO… 1027
JP: UH HUH 1028
EM: TALK ABOUT HER LEAVING GOING AND DOING SOMETHING? 1029
JP: NO 1030
EM: ANYTHING DURING THE DAY OR THAT NIGHT? WHAT DID YOU GUYS TALK 1031
ABOUT THAT MORNING? 1032
JP: NO SHE SHE WASN’T 1033
EM: DID YOU GUYS SPEAK TO EACH OTHER? 1034
JP: I DON’T EVEN THINK SHE DID THE CHOIR. 1035
EM: OK DID YOU GUYS SPEAK TO EACH OTHER THAT MORNING BEFORE SHE 1036
LEFT TO GO TO CHURCH, 1037
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JP: I MEAN NOTHING SIGNIFICANT I MEAN WE PROBABLY JUST I MEAN WE 1038
DIDN’T TALK WE JUST WERE GOING ABOUT OUR DAY YOU KNOW. 1039
EM: OK SO NOTHING WAS SAID TO YOU OUT OF THE ORDINARY FROM HER OR 1040
NOTHING OF INTEREST? 1041
JP: (MUMBLING) 1042
EM: OK 1043
JP: LET ME SEE SHE MIGHT HAVE ASKED IF I WAS GOING TO CHURCH AND I 1044
DON’T KNOW I DIDN’T EVEN FEEL LIKE WALKING. 1045
EM: OK UM… 1046
JP: BECAUSE YOU CAN’T PARK THERE DURING THE STAKE CONFERENCE. 1047
EM: OK SOL SHE GETS HOME ABOUT WHAT TIME DOES SHE GET HOME FROM 1048
CHURCH WITH THE BOYS? 1049
JP: FIVE OR TEN AFTER TWELVE. 1050
EM: OK SO A LITTLE AFTER TWELVE O’CLOCK TWELVE P.M. OK AND A FROM 1051
THAT TIME UM TELL ME WHAT A WHAT TRANSPIRES TELL ME 1052
EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS WHEN SHE GETS HOME TELL ME WHAT YOU 1053
GUYS TALK ABOUT IF SHE CALLS ANYBODY IF SHE DOES ANYTHING IF SHE 1054
LEAVES THE HOUSE. TELL ME TELL ME EVERYTHING THAT TAKES PLACE. 1055
JP: UM I WENT TO THE STORE. 1056
EM: UM HUH 1057
JP: AND PICKED UP. 1058
EM: AFTER SHE GOT HOME? 1059
JP: SOME KIND OF FOOD I DON’T REMEMBER WHAT…UM I ACTUALLY DROVE 1060
HER HOME CAUSE I DROVE UP ABOUT THAT TIME AND SHE WAS WALKING 1061
WITH THE BOYS AND SHE WAS ONLY A COUPLE BLOCKS FROM HOME BUT 1062
I YOU KNOW GOT THEM IN THE CAR. 1063
EM: UM HUH 1064
JP: AND DROVE EM HOME. 1065
EM: OK 1066
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JP: AND UM AND I WENT TO THE STORE UM IT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT HAVE 1067
BEEN WINCO. 1068
EM: OK 1069
JP: I CAN’T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT I BOUGHT, 1070
EM: OK 1071
JP: BUT IT WAS SOMETHING TO EAT UM I BOUGHT YOGURT THERE WAS 1072
SOMETHING I WAS MISSING ANYWAY I MADE IT ALL OF IT. 1073
EM: OK 1074
JP: UM WHEN I GOT BACK I MADE SOME KIND OF AN OMELET. 1075
EM: WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE HOUSE WHEN YOU GOT BACK? WHAT WAS 1076
SUSAN AND THE BOYS DOING? 1077
JP: JUST JUST NORMAL I MEAN THE KIDS WERE PLAYING AND SHE WAS JUST I 1078
THINK SHE WAS WATCHING TV. 1079
EM: OK 1080
JP: AND SO I MADE AN OMELET AND SOME PANCAKES AND I PUT CREAM 1081
CHEESE ON EM I THINK THAT WAS ALL OH AND THEN SHE CALLED 1082
JOVANNA UM ANYWAY JOVANNA CAME OVER. 1083
EM: UM HUH 1084
JP: SHE HAD SOME PANCAKES TO. UM I GUESS SUSAN WAS FEELING TIRED 1085
WHEN SHE GOT HOME FROM CHURCH SO BY THAT TIME SHE DECIDED TO 1086
TAKE A NAP MAYBE THREE THREE OR FOUR. 1087
EM: K 1088
JP: PROBABLY FOUR THEN JOVANNA HANG HUNG OUT FOR AWHILE UM I WAS 1089
JUST TRYIN TO GET THE SLEDS AND EVERYTHING READY AND TRYIN TO 1090
MAKE SURE I GOT ALL THERE CHANGE OF CLOTHES UM DIDN’T REALLY 1091
HAVE A PLAN IN MIND SO I WAS TRYING TO PREPARE FOR EVERYTHING 1092
YOU KNOW? UM I THINK SHE WOKE UP AROUND SIX THIRTY A AND THEN 1093
WE ATE DINNER AND THEN A MY SON WAS ASLEEP THE TWO YEAR OLD 1094
WAS HE DIDN’T EVEN EAT HE WAS JUST TOO TIRED… 1095
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EM: HMMM… 1096
JP: SO THEN HE SLEPT FOR AWHILE ON HER AND AND THEN THEN HE GOT 1097
MOVED IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE TO THE COUCH AND THEN A THE BED. 1098
EM: WHERE WAS SHE NAPPING AT? 1099
JP: UM ON THE COUCH. OH UM NO SHE WAS SLEEPING IN OUR BED. 1100
EM: OK 1101
JP: UM 1102
EM: WHAT TIME DID JOVANNA LEAVE? 1103
JP: FIVE OR SIX I DON’T KNOW. 1104
EM: OK 1105
JP: AND SUSAN WAS ACTUALLY WAS EXCLAIMING…EXCLAIMING HOW YOU 1106
KNOW HOW MUCH SHE APPRECIATED THE BREAKFAST AND I MEAN THE 1107
LUNCH AND DINNER. 1108
EM: OK 1109
JP: AND THEN I THINK AFTER THAT I DID TAKE CHARLIE CAUSE I TRY NOT TO 1110
BREAK THE PROMISES TO HIM A AND WE WENT SLEDDING WE JUST WENT 1111
TO A LOCAL UM WHITTIER WE WERE BY WHITTIER. 1112
EM: UM HUH 1113
JP: AND THEN WE WENT HOME. 1114
EM: WHAT TIME WAS THAT AT? 1115
JP: I THINK WE WERE HOME BY 8:30 OR 9. 1116
EM: OK 1117
JP: SOMETHING LIKE THAT I YOU KNOW…IT IT WAS JUST TIME TO START 1118
STORIES AND TEETH BRUSHING YOU KNOW SO THEN UM I WAS TALKING 1119
TO MY SON ABOUT SMORES YOU KNOW HE WAS JUST SUPER EXCITED 1120
ABOUT COCOA AND SMORES THERES SNOW. YOU GOTTA EAT COCOA ITS 1121
CHRISTMAS AND THEN WE WATCHED A MOVIE WELL NO ACTUALLY THEN 1122
WE UM WELL SHE WANTED THE COUCH CLEAN SO I GOT THE RUG DOCTOR 1123
WE TRY TO DO SOMETHING EACH WEEK YOU KNOW UM ITS TOO HARD IF 1124
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ITS ALL WET AT ONCE YOU KNOW IT DRIES SLOW SO WE UM THEN WE 1125
WATCHED A MOVIE AND I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY SANTA CLAUS 1126
THREE. 1127
EM: UM HUH 1128
JP: UM AND THEN WE A FINISHED UP THE MOVIE AND I TALKED TO HER 1129
ABOUT A TAKING THE BOYS TO DO SMORES AND TO TRY OUT THE NEW 1130
GENERATOR YOU KNOW? 1131
EM: UM HUH 1132
JP: AND SHE LOOKED MAD I FINISHED PACKING AND I LOADED EM UP AND 1133
THEN WE JUST YOU KNOW A JUST LIKE THE MORNING ROUTINE I JUST 1134
TRIED TO (INAUDIBLE) AND LEFT. 1135
EM: OK SO WHEN UM SO YOU CLEANED THE COUCH? AND SHE WANTED YOU 1136
TO WHAT WAS THE COUCH DIRTY? WAS THERE A STAIN ON THE COUCH 1137
OR SOMETHINE? 1138
JP: ITS JUST ALL GOOBERS AND SNOT FROM KIDS WHO WIPE THERE NOSE ON 1139
IT AND 1140
EM: OK 1141
JP: THEY JUST THEY JUST DO BRUTAL THINGS TO THE FURNITURE LIKE THE 1142
OTHER COUCH NEEDS IT TO. 1143
EM: OK AND WHEN YOU TALK TO UM SUSAN ABOUT TAKIN THE KIDS AND 1144
DOIN SMORES AND GENERATOR TELL ME MORE DETAILS ON THAT 1145
CONVERSATION. 1146
JP: UM SHE JUST YOU KNOW I TOLD HER THAT I WANTED TO AND SHE JUST 1147
SAID (INAUDIBLE) HEATER YOU CANT TAKE THE BOYS OUT IN THE COLD 1148
WITHOUT A HEATER. IM LIKE YEP I GOT MY GENERATOR. 1149
EM: UM HUH K AND THAT WAS IT? 1150
JP: THAT’S BASICALLY I MEAN IT WASN’T A LONG CONVERSATION. 1151
EM: OK SHE DIDN’T A INQUIRE AS TO WHEN YOU’D BE BACK WHEN YOU WERE 1152
GOING? WHERE YOU WERE GOING? 1153
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JP: I TOLD HER I TOLD HER ID BE BACK I SAID ILL COME BACK TOMORROW 1154
MORNING. 1155
EM: UM HUH OK 1156
JP: AND THEN WITH THE SNOW FALL IT I GOT UP A LITTLE LATER IN THE 1157
MORNING. 1158
EM: UM HUH 1159
JP: THEN I WAS PLANNING PLUS THE BOYS WERE LOVIN IT YOUR KNOW. UM 1160
WE KEPT SEEING DEER AND SHEEP. 1161
EM: UM HUH 1162
JP: ALL THESE ALL THESE THINGS THAT THEY JUST THEY JUST EAT IT UP YOU 1163
KNOW. 1164
EM: RIGHT DID YOU MAKE ARRANGEMENTS A DID YOU GUYS A TALK ABOUT 1165
ARRANGEMENTS FOR HER GETTING TO WORK. 1166
JP: I WAS THINKIN IT WAS GONNA BE SUNDAY AND I DIDN’T EVEN THINK 1167
ABOUT WORK. 1168
EM: AND HER? 1169
JP: I GUESS IT DIDN’T CROSS HER MIND AT THE TIME. 1170
EM: OK AND THEN WHAT TIME WHAT TIME DID YOU SAY THAT SHE WENT TO 1171
BED? 1172
JP: PROBABLY TWELVE THIRTYISH… 1173
EM: OK WAS THERE ANYTHING SAID BEFORE SHE WENT TO BED ANY DID YOU 1174
GUYS TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE SHE WENT TO SLEEP. 1175
JP: JUST THAT AND SAY GOODNIGHT THAT’S ABOUT IT. 1176
EM: OK WHAT UM SORRY (INAUDIBLE) PHONE. WHAT ABOUT A ALRIGHT WAS 1177
THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ANY OTHER TALK THROUGHOUT THE 1178
DAY THAT… 1179
JP: I JUST I… 1180
EM: I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT. 1181
JP: I JUST CAN’T THINK OF ANY. 1182
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EM: BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU? 1183
JP: NO NO WE DIDN’T FIGHT OR ANYTHING. 1184
EM: ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ANY OTHER (INAUDIBLE) NOT ANYTHING THAT 1185
WOULD BE IMPORTANT? 1186
JP: NOTHING SIGNIFICANT I MEAN I THINK SHE WAS CHATTING WITH 1187
JOVANNA I I DON’T I CAN’T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT CONVERSATIONS 1188
YOU KNOW. 1189
EM: UM HUH 1190
JP: I PROBABLY JUMPED IN A FEW TIMES BUT MOSTLY I WAS JUST MAKING 1191
LUNCH. 1192
EM: OK 1193
JP: SO I WAS ACTUALLY IN THE OTHER ROOM 1194
EM: OK UM YOU TALKED EARLIER ABOUT UM HOW KIND OF SPORADIC 1195
THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND OR THE AFTERNOON YOU WERE UM 1196
PACKING THE VEHICLE AND GETTING THINGS READY FOR FOR THIS TRIP 1197
UM TELL ME EVERYTHING THAT YOU PACKED AND PUT INSIDE THE 1198
VEHICLE. 1199
JP: UM A THREE PAIRS OF CLOTHES FOR EACH BOY AND AND FOR ME UM 1200
HEATERS I ACTUALLY GRABBED A HUMIDIFIER BECAUSE YOU KNOW ITS 1201
PRETTY NASTY THIS TIME OF YEAR UM GENERATOR SOME WOOD FIRE 1202
EXTINGUISHER, LIGHTERS A BUNCH OF CAMPING GEAR. 1203
EM: OK 1204
JP: MY SLEDS WERE ALREADY IN THERE SO I JUST KEPT AM IN THERE. 1205
EM: WHAT KIND OF CAMPING GEAR? 1206
JP: I COULDN’T EVEN TELL YOU AT THIS POINT IT’S A BOX. 1207
EM: OK 1208
JP: I MEAN I JUST GRAB IT AND ASSUME WHATEVER I NEED IS GONNA BE IN 1209
THERE WHEN IT’S READY TO BE USED. 1210
EM: OK 1211
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JP: AND MOSTLY THE THINGS I USE ARE ON TOP YOU KNOW LIKE THE SMORE 1212
STICKS AND… 1213
EM: UM HUH 1214
JP: ALTHOUGH I DON’T NECESSARILY USE THOSE EITHER BECAUSE IT’S JUST 1215
EASIER TO GRAB A STICK THEN BURN IT YOU KNOW. 1216
EM: YEAH OK AND WHAT ELSE DID YOU PUT IN THERE? 1217
JP: UM SOME CORDS, FLASHLIGHT I DON’T KNOW JUST A BUNCH OF STUFF 1218
EM: OK UM CORDS? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY CORDS? 1219
JP: A JUST CORDS SO I CAN PLUG IN THE... 1220
EM: ELECTRICAL CORDS? 1221
JP: YEAH 1222
EM: OK AND WHATS THE BUNCH OF THIS OTHER STUFF? 1223
JP: I DON’T KNOW I MEAN…. 1224
EM: A COME ON JOSH YOU REMEMBER PUTTIN CREAM CHEESE IN A PANCAKE 1225
AND YOU TELL ME YOU CANT REMEMBER WHAT YOU PUT IN YOUR CAR. 1226
JP: THERES….I MEAN THAT’S BASICALLY ALL SIGNIFICANT STUFF. OH GAS…. 1227
EM: UM HUH OK SO… 1228
JP: I ALSO (INAUDIBLE) SOME TARPS. 1229
EM: K OK ANYTHING ELSE YOU REMEMBER? 1230
JP: NOTHING SIGNIFICANT. 1231
EM: ALRIGHT 1232
JP: THAT I CAN THINK OF. 1233
EM: OK WHAT TIME DID YOU A… 1234
JP: OH FOOD I MEAN WE HAD FOOD. 1235
EM: OK WHAT KIND OF FOOD DID YOU PACK? 1236
JP: UM YOGURT, CHEESE… 1237
EM: UM HUH 1238
JP: HOT DOGS UM MARSHMELLOWS, GRAHAM CRACKERS. 1239
EM: UM HUH 1240
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JP: THAT’S PROBABLY ABOUT IT. 1241
EM: OK AND WHAT TIME DID YOU GUYS A WHAT TIME DID YOU SAY YOU LEFT 1242
YOUR HOUSE? 1243
JP: (INAUDIBLE) ONE THIRTY OR TWO 1244
EM: OK AND UM SO YOU LEAVE THE HOUSE AND A I JUST NEED TO KNOW THE 1245
EXACT ROUTE WHAT YOU TOOK WHERE YOU WENT IF YOU STOPPED AND 1246
GOT FUEL IF YOU STOPPED TO GET FOOD IF YOU STOPPED ANYWHERE I 1247
NEED TO KNOW WHERE YOU STOPPED SO WALK ME THROUGH YOUR 1248
ROUTE WHERE YOU STOPPED? 1249
JP: I DON’T THINK I STOPPED ANYWHERE. 1250
EM: WHERE YOU WENT. 1251
JP: I JUST WENT THROUGH TOOELE AND I JUST HEADED SOUTH. 1252
EM: OK SO LETS I NEED TO KNOW YOUR ROUTE I MEAN I NEED TO KNOW LIKE 1253
WHAT YOU SAY YOU WENT THROUGH TOOELE YOU CAN GET TO TOOELE 1254
TWO DIFFERENT WAYS UM HOW DID YOU… 1255
JP: HMM…80 1256
EM: GET TO TOOE…OK SO YOU A SO YOU LEFT YOUR HOUSE AND YOU USED 1257
INTERESTATE 80? 1258
JP: YEAH 1259
EM: TO TOOELE? 1260
JP: UM HUH 1261
EM: OK ALRIGHT 1262
JP: AND I MEAN I JUST HEADED SOUTH. 1263
EM: UM HUH 1264
JP: AND FOUND MY WAY ON TO THE PONY EXPRESS ROUTE AND THAT WAS IT 1265
AND THEN I JUST PULLED OFF INTO SOME SOME TRAIL. 1266
EM: UM HUH SO YOU JUST TOOK I80 WENT THROUGH TOOELE AND AND YOU 1267
WENT TO THE PONY EXPRESS TRAIL SORRY MY PHONE KEEPS GOTTA 1268
KINDA SCREEN THESE CALLS UM AND YOU DIDN’T STOP ANYWHERE? 1269
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JP: NO I DON’T THINK SO… 1270
EM: OK SO SO YOUR SAYING YOU ALREADY HAD A FULL TANK OF GAS YOU 1271
DIDN’T HAVE TO FILL UP? 1272
JP: HMMM…YEAH 1273
EM: YEAH WHAT? 1274
JP: YEAH I HAD A TANK OF GAS. 1275
EM: OK SO YOU DIDN’T HAVE TO... 1276
JP: I THINK I MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN IT THE DAY BEFORE OR THE DAY OF OR 1277
SOMETHING I DON’T REMEMBER. 1278
EM: OK ALRIGHT SO YOU DROVE A UP THE PONY EXPRESS TRAIL YOU DIDN’T 1279
NO STOP FOR FOOD GAS NOTHING RIGHT? OK AND YOU GET TO THE PONY 1280
EXPRESS TRAIL YOU OBVIOUSLY GO EAST OR SORRY WEST RIGHT? 1281
JP: YEAH 1282
EM: AND HOW FAR WEST DO YOU GO? 1283
JP: A I OBVIOUSLY WASN’T PAYING ATTENTION… 1284
EM: DO YOU THINK… 1285
JP: BUT I JUST I JUST DRIVE AND IF ANYTHING LOOKS GOOD. 1286
EM: (INAUDIBLE) HONESLTY TO BE HONEST WITH YA IVE NEVER BEEN OUT 1287
THERE I NEED TO MAKE A TRIP (INAUDIBLE) 1288
JP: I HAVENT BEEN OUT THERE TOO OFTEN IT’S A NASTY ROAD. 1289
EM: I DON’T KNOW I DON’T KNOW THERES LIKE ANY LANDMARKS IF THERES 1290
CAMPING 1291
JP: THERES NOT 1292
EM: GROUNDS ALL ALONG THE ROAD UM IF THERES…. 1293
JP: I DON’T THINK SO 1294
EM: ARE THERE ROADS THAT COME OFF OF THE PONY EXPRESS TRAIL AND GO 1295
SOUTH AND NORTH? 1296
JP: NO 1297
EM: NO? 1298
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JP: THERES JUST TRAILS THAT YOU CAN I DON’T KNOW IVE ONLY BEEN OUT 1299
THERE THREE OR FOUR TIMES SO... 1300
EM: OK WELL YOU’VE BEEN OUT THERE MOST RECENT BEFORE I I MEAN…. 1301
JP: YEAH 1302
EM: PRETTY RECENT RIGHT? 1303
JP: YEAH 1304
EM: OK SO YOUR… 1305
JP: BUT IT WAS ALSO SNOWING AND SO IT I WAS PRETTY FOCUSED ON THE 1306
ROAD. 1307
EM: OK 1308
JP: LOOKING FOR A TURN OFF LIKE I SAY I JUST FOUND A TRAIL AND… 1309
EM: WERE YOU CONCERNED WITH THE SNOW KNOWING THAT THERE WAS A 1310
SNOW STORM COMIN IN? 1311
JP: UM YEAH I WAS 1312
EM: IN A MINI VAN? 1313
JP: ACTUALLY THE MINI VAN HANDLES LIKE A FOUR BY FOUR. 1314
EM: OK 1315
JP: UM YEAH YOU CAN GET ON SOME SERIOUS OFF ROADING WITH THAT MINI 1316
VAN. 1317
EM: OK SO I MEAN WASN’T WASN’T THAT A CONCERN WITH THE THE STORM 1318
COMING IN AND IT WAS ALREADY SNOWING? 1319
JP: IT WASN’T ALREADY SNOWING WHEN I LEFT. 1320
EM: NO IT WAS SNOWING WHEN YOU GOT OUT THERE. 1321
JP: IT WAS YEAH…AND SO I WAS WATCHIN THE ROAD AND IM GOIND HOW 1322
THICK IS THIS GONNA GET. 1323
EM: UM HUH 1324
JP: AND YOU KNOW ARE WE GONNA GET STUCK … 1325
EM: EXCUSE ME 1326
JP: AND THEN I THOUGHT WELL YOU KNOW WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT IT 1327
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WILL BE ANYTHING THAT WILL GET US STUCK OUT THERE. 1328
EM: UM HUH 1329
JP: YOU KNOW AND WE HAVE THE GENERATOR AND THE HEATERS AND SO I 1330
WAS LIKE WELL THIS WE CAN RISK IT. 1331
EM: YEAH 1332
JP: WERE ALREADY HERE WHAT THE HECK. 1333
EM: OK SO ABOUT HOW FAR DO YOU THINK YOU WENT WEST ON THE TRAIL IF 1334
YOU HAD A GUESS? 1335
JP: I DON’T KNOW I MEAN MAYBE TWENTY MILES OR WHO KNOWS. 1336
EM: OK SO MAYBE TWENTY MILES? OK AND THEN JUST WALK ME THROUGH IT 1337
FROM THAT POINT ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL YOU LEFT THAT AREA. 1338
JP: UM WELL I JUST STOPPED SET UP THE GENERATOR JUST ON A TARP AND 1339
UM PLUGGED IN THE HEATERS GOT SOME SLEEP. 1340
EM: JUST RIGHT THERE ON THE TRAIL? 1341
JP: UM HUH 1342
EM: OK WHAT YOU KEEP MENTIONING THESE HEATERS WHAT WHAT KIND OF 1343
HEATERS? 1344
JP: JUST A HEATER JUST A SPACE HEATER 1345
EM: A SPACE HEATER THAT YOU PLUG IN? 1346
JP: YEAH 1347
EM: AND YOU JUST PLUG IT IN TO THE GENERATOR? 1348
JP: YEAH 1349
EM: AND LEFT IT IN YOUR CAR? 1350
JP: WELL THE GENERATOR OUT BUT THE CAR YEAH YEAH THE THE HEATERS 1351
INSIDE. 1352
EM: HMMM…. 1353
JP: YOU CANT RUN A CAR WITH THE ENGINE YOU CANT SLEEP IN A CAR WITH 1354
THE ENGINE RUNNING 1355
EM: YEAH 1356
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JP: ALTHOUGH IVE DONE IT A FEW TIMES 1357
EM: K 1358
JP: BUT USUALLY IF YOU FALL ASLEEP WITH IT RUNNING YOUR TAKING A 1359
GAMBLE 1360
EM: OK 1361
JP: YOU KNOW WITH THE GENERATOR ITS SITTIN OFF TO THE SIDE AND SO ITS 1362
NOT REALLY THAT CLOSE, 1363
EM: OK SO YOU SET UP THE GENERATOR AND YOU SET UP THE HEATERS AND 1364
YOU SLEEP RIGHT? 1365
JP: UM AND THE ACTUALLY I DID ALSO THE HUMIDIFIER. 1366
EM: OK AND THEN…. 1367
JP: THEN WE WOKE UP A… 1368
EM: (COUGH) SORRY 1369
JP: DAWNISH AFTER THE LIGHT 1370
EM: UM HUH 1371
JP: UM THEN WE DID THE LITTLE CAMP FIRE HUNG OUT DROVE ALL THE OVER 1372
CREATION… 1373
EM: HMMM…K YOU JUST DO THE CAMP CR…A THE CAMP FIRE JUST A RIGHT 1374
THERE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. 1375
JP: YEAH 1376
EM: OK 1377
JP: UM JUST A… 1378
EM: WHAT DID YOU USE FOR THE CAMP FIRE? 1379
JP: JUST WOOD…JUST SOME CRAPPY WOOD THAT I HAD. 1380
EM: OK SO YOU HAVE THE CAMP FIRE WHAT WHAT DO YOU DO AT THE CAMP 1381
FIRE? 1382
JP: JUST HUNG OUT FOR A FEW MINUTES HAD MARSHMELLOW OR TWO 1383
THAT’S ABOUT IT. 1384
EM: OK AND THEN WHAT? 1385
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JP: WELL THEN THEN THE BOYS JUST WANTED TO DRIVE ALL OVER THE 1386
PLACE AND THEN OCCASSIONALLY GET OUT AND GO SEE STUFF A WHEN 1387
DID DRIVE OUT TO THAT UM WELL THAT CAMP GROUND OUT THERE UM 1388
WE LOOKED AT A A STONE BUILDING. 1389
EM: K THAT’S NEAR A CAMP SITE? 1390
JP: YEP 1391
EM: NEAR A CAMP GROUND? 1392
JP: THAT’S ABOUT AS FAR AS WE WENT. 1393
EM: OK 1394
JP: AND THEN 1395
EM: YOU SAY THAT’S ABOUT A AS FAR AS YOUR WENT DID YOU GO A LITTLE 1396
BIT BEYOND THE STONE BUILDING THE CAMP GROUND AREA… 1397
JP: NO 1398
EM: OR IS THAT AS FAR AS YOU WENT? THAT’S THE FURTHEST YOU WENT? 1399
JP: NO THAT’S YEAH I PULLED OFF INTO SOME LITTLE THEY HAVE A LITTLE 1400
REST LIKE A OUTHOUSE. 1401
EM: UM HUH 1402
JP: SO I JUST STOPPED BY THERE AND UM ANYWAY THEN IT WAS GETTING 1403
KINDA KINDA LATE SO I TOLD THE BOYS ITS TIME TO GO. 1404
EM: UM HUH 1405
JP: AND THEY DIDN’T WANT TO GO BUT WHAT THE HECK YOU KNOW ALL 1406
DAY THEY KEPT SAYING NO I DON’T WANT TO GO HOME LETS GO 1407
CAMPING SOME MORE. 1408
EM: YEAH 1409
JP: UM WE SAW ALL KINDS OF DEER. 1410
EM: UM HUH 1411
JP: TONS OF DEER APPARENTLY THEY COME OUT IN THE WINTER I GUESS I 1412
DON’T KNOW. A HAD A BUNCH OF SHEEP THAT WE SAW. 1413
EM: UM HUH 1414
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JP: APPARENTLY THEY WERE HERDING THE DOG WAS HERDING THEM SOME 1415
KIND OF A BIG DOG.HAD TO WAIT FOR THOSE TO GET OFF THE ROAD 1416
WHICH WAS PRETTY COOL 1417
EM: OK THAT’S UM SO YOU JUST BASICALLY YOU STAYED ON THE PONY 1418
EXPRESS TRAIL? THERES NO TRAIL THAT COMES OFF OF IT RIGHT OFF OF 1419
THE ROAD? 1420
JP: WELL JUST THE TRAILS YEAH I MEAN… 1421
EM: I MEAN DID YOU JUST DRIVE ON THE ROAD STRAIGHT OUT TO THIS CAMP 1422
GROUND? 1423
JP: WE DROVE…NO WE DROVE INTO THE TRAILS. 1424
EM: OK SO YOU DROVE ON SOME OF THE TRAILS THEN? 1425
JP: YEAH 1426
EM: OK HOW COULD YOU SEE THE TRAILS WITH THE SNOW OUT THERE? 1427
JP: YOU CAN TELL. 1428
EM: CAN YA? OK 1429
JP: SOME ARE WIDE SOME ARE NARROW I DON’T KNOW THERE YOU KNOW 1430
THE NARROW ONES YOU CAN’T YOU DRIVE EM ON A FOUR WHEELER. 1431
EM: UM HUH 1432
JP: SOME OF THEM YOU CAN DRIVE WITH A CAR AND OTHER VEHICLES. 1433
EM: OK WHAT TIME WAS IT THAT YOU SAY YOU THOUGHT IT WAS STARTIN TO 1434
GET TOO LATE AND THAT YOU HAD TO START COMIN BACK? 1435
JP: PROBABLY ELEVEN OR TWELVE IM GUESSING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? 1436
EM: AND THAT’S WHEN YOU STARTED COMIN BACK TOWARDS SALT LAKE? 1437
JP: UM YEAH BUT WE DROVE TO LEHI. 1438
EM: RIGHT 1439
JP: TO GET HOME. 1440
EM: OK UM SO WHEN YOUR OUT THERE AND YOU YOU CRE…CREATE THIS 1441
FIRE HOW DO YOU START THIS FIRE YOU HAVE THE WOOD… 1442
JP: JUST LIGHT THE FIRE LITTLE KINDLING AND (INAUDIBLE) WITH A LIGHTER. 1443
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EM: UM HUH SO NO PAPER OR…GASOLINE 1444
JP: UM… 1445
EM: OR ANYTHING YOU JUST HAD SOME KINDLING AND STARTED THE FIRE. 1446
JP: WELL I HAD SOME PAPER. 1447
EM: OK DID YOU BURN QUIT A BIT OF WOOD THERE? WAS THERE QUIT A BIT OF 1448
WOOD THAT WAS BURNT THERE OR HOW LONG DID YOU SAY YOU GUYS 1449
SAT AROUND THE FIRE? 1450
JP: OH I DON’T KNOW PROBABLY A COUPLE HOURS. 1451
EM: COUPLE HOURS OK 1452
JP: JUST OFF AND ON I MEAN THEY WERE PLAYING AND STUFF YOU KNOW? 1453
EM: RIGHT OK UM K LETS TALK ABOUT A SO COMIN BACK YOU SAY ABOUT 1454
MAYBE ELEVEN OR TWELVE YOU THOUGHT IT WAS TIME TO LEAVE AND 1455
YOU STARTED COMIN BACK UM WALK ME THROUGH THAT PRO…FROM 1456
THAT TIME UP UNTIL JUST TELL ME A WHERE YOU DROVE TO WHERE YOU 1457
STOPPED…. 1458
JP: UM… 1459
EM: WHO YOU CALLED YOU SPOKE TO? 1460
JP: ON THE WAY BACK A A I DIDN’T CALL ANYONE UNTIL I GOT OUT FROM 1461
LEHI I ACTUALLY PASSED WELL TO THE FREEWAY I THINK UM I JUST 1462
HEAD NORTH YOU KNOW JUST HEAD EAST AND NORTH. 1463
EM: UM HUH 1464
JP: A AND THEN I SAW A LEHI SIGN SO I WAS LIKE AH…TAKE LEHI UM 1465
STOPPED TO WASH THE CAR CAUSE YOU KNOW THEY GET PRETTY DIRTY 1466
OUT THERE. 1467
EM: RIGHT WHERE DID YOU STOP AND WASH THE CAR AT? 1468
JP: WHEN IT’S WHEN IT’S SNOWING AND RAINING. 1469
EM: YEAH WHERE DID YOU STOP AND WASH THE CAR AT> 1470
JP: I JUST A JUST THE FIRST CAR WASH I SAW. 1471
EM: WHERES THAT AT? 1472
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JP: IN I GUESS IT’S IN LEHI. 1473
EM: WHAT ROAD WERE YOU ON? 1474
JP: COULDN’T TELL YA. THAT ONE THAT COMES THROUGH LEHI. 1475
EM: OK WHAT A WHAT WAS THE CAR WASH LIKE WHAT KIND OF A CAR WASH 1476
WAS IT? 1477
JP: UM WELL IT WAS A S…A SELF SERVE 1478
EM: SELF SERVE? 1479
JP: UM HUH 1480
EM: OK WHAT WAS THE NAME OF IT? 1481
JP: I HAVE NO CLUE. 1482
EM: HOW DID YOU PAY WAS IT (INAUDIBLE) 1483
JP: CASH 1484
EM: K SO WHEN YOU SAY SELF SERVE IS THAT UM DESCRIBE WHAT IT LOOKS 1485
LIKE… 1486
JP: JUST GARAGES THAT YOU CAN PULL INTO AND WASH. 1487
EM: OK 1488
JP: YOU JUST GET THE PRESSURE WASHER AND PSH…. 1489
EM: NO ATTENDANT THAT’S THERE NO GAS STATION? OK 1490
JP: NOPE THERE… 1491
EM: HOW MANY BAYS ARE THERE? 1492
JP: I DON’T EVEN KNOW 1493
EM: OK 1494
JP: THERES THERES A HANDFUL 1495
EM: WHAT SIDE OF THE ROAD IS IT ON? 1496
JP: UP NORTH. 1497
EM: K SO IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY YOU HAD TO USE REDWOOD ROAD TO 1498
GET TO THAT ROAD THAT TAKES YOU THROUGH LEHI RIGHT? 1499
JP: NO RED…NOT REDWOOD I THINK RUNS NORTH SOUTH. 1500
EM: NO…RIGHT SO THE ROAD THAT YOUR ON THAT YOU WAS COMIN OUT OF 1501
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UM… 1502
JP: THAT WAS EAST WEST… 1503
EM: YEAH THAT ROAD RUNS STRAIGHT INTO THE MAIN ROAD THAT RUNS 1504
INTO LEHI 1505
JP: YEAH 1506
EM: OK SO YOU COME THROUGH THE INTERSECTION THERE AT REDWOOD 1507
ROAD AND AND A THIS ROAD THAT YOUR ON A DO YOU KNOW WHAT IM 1508
TALKING ABOUT THAT AREA? 1509
JP: IM SORRY WHAT DID YOU SAY? OH YOUR TALKIN ABOUT ON THE… 1510
EM: THE CROSSING ROADS OF REDWOOD ROAD AND THE ROAD THAT YOUR 1511
ON THAT TAKES YOU INTO LEHI. 1512
JP: I DIDN’T EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. 1513
EM: OK IM JUST WHAT IM TRYING TO DO IS IM TRYIN TO GET AN IDEA OF 1514
WHERE THIS CAR WASH IS AT. 1515
JP: I MEAN IT WAS JUST THE FIRST ONE I SAW 1516
EM: OK WELL IM SURE IF I SHOWED YOU A MAP YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO 1517
POINT OUT THE ROUTE YOU TOOK RIGHT? 1518
JP: I ASSUME SO… 1519
EM: MAYBE? ALRIGHT LETS MOVE ON SO YOU STOP WASH THE CAR UM AND 1520
THEN WHAT? 1521
JP: I DON’T KNOW HOW MANY ROADS THERE ARE GOING TO LEHI I DON’T 1522
THINK THERES THAT’S MANY. 1523
EM: NO WHAT ARE SOME OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE AROUND THIS CAR 1524
WASH DESCRIBE THE AREA TO ME AROUND THERE WHAT DOES IT LOOK 1525
LIKE? 1526
JP: I DON’T KNOW I JUST YOU KNOW AT THAT POINT WE WERE THINKING 1527
ABOUT LUNCH. AND I WASN’T REALLY THINKING ABOUT TO MUCH ELSE. 1528
EM: OK IT’S SNOWING AT THE TIME RIGHT? 1529
JP: A…NO 1530
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EM: ITS KINDA FLURRIES? 1531
JP: A MAYBE YOU KNOW I DON’T THINK IT WAS SNOWING DURING THE DAY. 1532
EM: OK SO AFTER YOUR FINISHED AT THE CAR WASH THEN WHAT? 1533
JP: OH ACTUALLY THERE WERE FLURRIES NO YOUR RIGHT THERE WERE 1534
FLURRIES UM GOT LUNCH? 1535
EM: WHERE AT? 1536
JP: MCDONALDS. 1537
EM: WHICH ONE? 1538
JP: UM THAT ONE WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE FREEWAY 1539
EM: WHERE WHERE AT? WHAT FREEWAY (INAUDIBLE) 1540
JP: UM WHAT IS ITS FIFTEEN GOING SOUTH OR NORTH? 1541
EM: UM HUH 1542
JP: JUST WEST AND SOUTH… 1543
EM: WHERE LIKE IN SALT LAKE OR? 1544
JP: WELL LEHI 1545
EM: IN LEHI OK SO MCDONALD’S I-15 NEXT TO THE FREEWAY THERE IN LEHI? 1546
JP: UM HUH 1547
EM: OK HOW DID YOU PAY? 1548
JP: UM I THINK PROBABLY CASH. 1549
EM: DO YOU TYPICALLY ALWAYS PAY CASH FOR EVERYTHING? 1550
JP: I MEAN THINGS LIKE THAT I DO. 1551
EM: OK 1552
JP: CAUSE I MEAN IT DEPENDS I MEAN SOMETIMES I BUY FOOD WITH A 1553
CREDIT CARD 1554
EM: UM HUH 1555
JP: AND IT DEPRESSES ME TO SEE THE CREDIT CARD BILL SO… 1556
EM: YEAH ABSOLUTELY 1557
JP: SOMETIMES I PAY CASH SO I (INAUDIBLE) 1558
EM: WHAT ABOUT YOUR DEBIT CARD DO YOU USE DEBIT CARD? 1559
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JP: UM NO 1560
EM: OK 1561
JP: WELL I MEAN I HAVE MY OWN I I I OCCASSIONALLY DO I USUALLY ONLY 1562
MAKE THE YOU KNOW YOU KNOW BIGGER PURCHASES ON THE DEBIT 1563
CARD. 1564
EM: OK 1565
JP: CAUSE YOU KNOW YOU DON’T WANT TO RACK UP THE CREDIT. 1566
EM: OK SO YOUR CERTAIN YOU USED CASH AT THE MCDONALDS THEN? 1567
JP: UM I DON’T KNOW I I THINK I DID. 1568
EM: OK WELL SEE IF YOU CAN TRY TO REMEMBER IF YOU DID OR NOT. 1569
JP: WELL I’D SUPPOSE IT WOULD SHOW UP ON THE BILL IF I USED A CREDIT. 1570
EM: YEAH WHERE DID YOU GO FROM THE MCDONALDS AFTER THAT WHAT 1571
DID YOU DO? 1572
JP: UM JUST DROVE NORTH ON THE FREEWAY. 1573
EM: UM HUH 1574
JP: UM I ACTUALLY TRIED TO CALL SUSAN TO SEE WELL JUST TO LET HER 1575
KNOW THAT I WAS BACK THAT I WAS COMING BACK. 1576
EM: WHAT TIME WAS THAT? 1577
JP: I JUST I CANT REMEMBER. 1578
EM: AFTER LUNCH? 1579
JP: YEAH I MEAN IT WAS PROBABLY TWO OR THREE. 1580
EM: K 1581
JP: AND THEN I WAS JUST DRIVING WITH THE BOYS TELLING THEM JUST 1582
TRYING TO CONVINCE THEM THAT IT’S OK TO GO HOME. 1583
EM: UM HUH 1584
JP: WE DON’T NEED TO PACK IT ALL INTO ONE DAY YOU KNOW? 1585
EM: RIGHT 1586
JP: UM SOMETIME LATER JOVANNA CALLED AND TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS 1587
A THAT PEOPLE WERE WORRIED ABOUT US, 1588
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EM: UM HUH 1589
JP: AND THAT THERE WAS PEOPLE AT OUR HOUSE 1590
EM: WHAT TIME DID SHE CALL DO YOU THINK? 1591
JP: A I DON’T EVEN REMEMBER I MEAN IM SURE IT’S ON THE BILL. 1592
EM: OK WHAT DID THAT CONVERSATION CONSIST OF? 1593
JP: A UM JUST REAL SHORT I MEAN SHE JUST SAID THAT THERES A BUNCH OF 1594
PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT US. 1595
EM: UM HUH 1596
JP: THERES PEOPLE AT OUR HOUSE AND SHES LIKE WHERES SUSAN AND I 1597
WAS LIKE WELL SHES AT WORK. 1598
EM: UM HUH 1599
JP: SO I MEAN I THOUGHT I THOUGHT SHE WAS AT WORK. 1600
EM: UM HUH 1601
JP: AND SHES LIKE OK WELL THAT’S GOOD AND THAT’S ABOUT IT. 1602
EM: OK AND THEN… 1603
JP: AND I WAS LIKE OK WELL THAT’S COOL WERE FOUND SO QUIT OBSESSING 1604
NO BIG DEAL DUDE. 1605
EM: RIGHT 1606
JP: I MEAN BUT THEN IT I WAS GOING TO PICK UP SUSAN AND WAITING FOR 1607
HER AND SHE DIDN’T COME DOWN AND ABOUT AT THE TIME I WAS 1608
TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO NEXT UM IT WAS EITHER MY MOM OR 1609
MY SISTER CALLED I I THINK THEY CALLED ME I I DON’T REMEMBER OR 1610
MAYBE I CALLED THEM I CANT EVEN REMEMBER AT THIS POINT YOU 1611
KNOW BECAUSE DURING THAT CONVERSATION UM THAT’S WHEN I 1612
FOUND OUT THAT SHE HADNT SHOWN UP FOR WORK. 1613
EM: UM HUH 1614
JP: AND SO... 1615
EM: HMMM…K SO YOU SAY YOU WENT TO YOU WENT TO HER WORK RIGHT? 1616
JP: YEAH 1617
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EM: TO PICK HER UP WHAT TIME DID YOU GET THERE? 1618
JP: PROBABLY FIVE FIVE THIRTY FIVE… 1619
EM: 5:35? 1620
JP: SOMETHING LIKE THAT 1621
EM: WHAT TIME DO YOU USUALLY PICK HER UP FROM WORK? 1622
JP: 5:35 1623
EM: WHAT TIME DOES SHE GET OFF OF WORK? 1624
JP: 5:30 1625
EM: OK 1626
JP: AND IT TAKES HER FIVE MINUTES TO GET DOWN. 1627
EM: OK 1628
JP: 5-10 IT DEPENDS ON THE DAY. 1629
EM: RIGHT SO YOUR SAYING THAT YOUR THERE DEFINITELY AT 7 AT 5:30? 1630
JP: UM YEAH I… 1631
EM: OK AND SHE DOESN’T COME OUT HOW LONG DO YOU WAIT TILL? 1632
JP: I I LEFT WHEN THAT WITH THAT PHONE CALL… 1633
EM: OK 1634
JP: AFTER THAT YOU KNOW SHE THAT THAT THAT THEY SAID THAT SHE 1635
DIDN’T GO TO WORK AND SO I WAS LIKE WELL I OK THERES NO POINT IN 1636
SITTING HERE THEN. 1637
EM: UM HUH DID THEY ASK YOU…DIDN’T JENNIFER ASK YOU IF YOU WENT TO 1638
WORK? WHEN SHE FIRST ANS…CALLED DID SHE SAY TO YOU DIDN’T YOU 1639
GO TO WORK TODAY? 1640
JP: UM…I DON’T REMEMBER ANY DETAILS ON THAT CAUSE I WAS JUST 1641
FOCUSED ON THE FACT TRYIN TO FIGURE OUT WHY SUSAN DIDN’T GO TO 1642
WORK. 1643
EM: UM HUH OK 1644
JP: AND OBVIOUSLY WITH PEOPLE AT HOME UM IT CREATED SOME CONCERN 1645
YOU KNOW CAUSE THERES ALREADY PEOPLE SAYIN THAT THERE LOOKIN 1646
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FOR ALL FOUR OF US. 1647
EM: UM HUH 1648
JP: A...A…WELL AT THAT POINT I REALIZE THAT THEY WERE LOOKIN FOR ALL 1649
FOUR OF US. 1650
EM: UM HUH 1651
JP: EARLIER I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST THE THREE OF US AND… 1652
EM: OK SO AFTER YOU TALK TO JENNIFER UM OR WHILE YOUR TALKING TO 1653
JENNIFER TELL ME WHAT THE TELL ME EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT 1654
CONVERSATION. 1655
JP: I I JUST DON’T EVEN REMEMBER. 1656
EM: TELL ME WHAT YOU DO REMEMBER. 1657
JP: LIKE IT’S JUST LIKE A BLACK BLANK YOU KNOW. 1658
EM: TELL ME WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU DISCONNECT THE PHONE WITH 1659
JENNIFER. 1660
JP: UM JUST STARTED HEADING HOME… 1661
EM: UM HUH 1662
JP: UM JUST TRYING TO FIND SOME FOOD FOR THE BOYS 1663
EM: UM HUH 1664
JP: TRYIN TO CONVINCE THEM TO BOTH EAT THE SAME OR AT OR YOU KNOW 1665
BE WILLING TO EAT THE SAME THING. 1666
EM: UM HUH 1667
JP: UM THE TWO YEAR IS TRYIN TO INSERT HIS INDEPENDENCE SO HE LIKES 1668
TO BE DISAGREEABLE. 1669
EM: UM HUH RIGHT 1670
JP: AND I MEAN SOMETIMES I INDULGE SOMETIMES I DON’T YOU KNOW HOW 1671
IT GOES. 1672
EM: RIGHT 1673
JP: UM A I FINALLY BOUGHT SOME PIZZA 1674
EM: AND THEN THAT’S WHEN YOU CAME TO THE HOUSE AND THAT’S WHEN 1675
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YOU AND I MET RIGHT? 1676
JP: YEAH AND IN FACT WAS IT I DON’T KNOW IF IT WAS IT YOU THAT CALLED 1677
ME? 1678
EM: YEAH 1679
JP: UM YEAH 1680
EM: OK 1681
JP: ABOUT THAT TIME I YEAH YOU CALLED AND THEN I VERY SOON TOLD 1682
THAT HE’S OUT OF LUCK. 1683
EM: YEAH 1684
JP: CAUSE HE DEFINITELY (INAUDIBLE) 1685
EM: DO YOU WANT ME TO GET YOU A DRINK OF WATER OR A SODA? 1686
JP: NO 1687
EM: OR ANYTHING WE HAVE SOME COKE PRODUCTS? NO OK 1688
JP: UM YOU KNOW I GUESS I GUESS IF YOU’VE GOT UM HONESTLY ID RATHER 1689
JUST TAKE IT TO MY BOYS. 1690
EM: WHAT DO YOU WANT? 1691
JP: UM BUT MAYBE A ROOT BEER. 1692
EM: I DON’T KNOW IF WE HAVE ROOT BEER BUT 1693
JP: SPRITE? 1694
EM: IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO DRINK? 1695
JP: ORANGE 1696
KNOCKING ON THE DOOR…………………………………………………………………… 1697
JP: (INAUDIBLE) SOMETHING LIKE THAT 1698
EM: ALRIGHT ALRIGHT 1699
JP: ILL ILL JUST TAKE IT TO MY BOYS…. 1700
END OF FIRST DVD……………………………………………………………………………… 1701
DOOR OPENS…………………………………………………………………………………….. 1702
UK: (INAUDIBLE) CAN I HELP YOU WITH ANYTHING 1703
UK: UM… 1704
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DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 1705
DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 1706
(INAUDIBLE PEOPLE TALKING) 1707
UK: NO NO NO NO ITS IT’S A PRIVACY THING. 1708
JP: OH OH YEAH (INAUDIBLE) 1709
UK: (INAUDIBLE) 1710
JP: OK 1711
UK: JUST MAKE YOUR SELF COMFORTABLE 1712
DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 1713
DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES……………………………………………………………………. 1714
EM: OK 1715
JP: DECIDED AGAINST THE DRINK HUH? 1716
EM: SO IS THERE SO…NO IT’S A I WENT TO SEE IF I HAD A DOLLAR IN MY A… 1717
JP: OH IT’S A VENDING MACHINE? 1718
EM: YEAH IT’S A VENDING MACHINE SO... 1719
JP: NO IT’S OK I DON’T NEED ONE (INAUDIBLE) 1720
EM: I THOUGHT I HAD SOME CASH I WAS GONNA GRAB ME ONE AND YOU ONE 1721
AND I DON’T HAVE THE STUPID A I DON’T HAVE ANY CASH… 1722
JP: NO IT’S… 1723
EM: SO THEN I RAN TO MY DESK… 1724
JP: THERE UM… 1725
EM: BUT UM… 1726
JP: THEY CAN BE A RIP OFF… 1727
EM: OH YEAH YOU KNOW ESPECIALLY HERE IT’S A $1.25 1728
JP: FOR A BOTTLE OR A CAN? 1729
EM: YEAH FOR A BOTTLE. 1730
JP: OH FOR A BOTTLE YEAH AT LEAST THAT’S BETTER THEN A CAN. 1731
EM: YEAH IT’S CRAZY. 1732
JP: THAT’S 16 OR 24 OUNCES. 1733
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EM: YEAH SO WHEN YOU CALLED UM SO YOU SAID YOU CALLED SUSAN RIGHT 1734
AFTER LUNCH TIME DID YOU CALL ANYBODY ELSE? 1735
JP: I DON’T RECALL CALLING ANYONE ELSE. 1736
EM: OK AND WHEN YOU CALLED SUSAN’S PHONE WAS HER PHONE ON OR OFF? 1737
JP: UM USUALLY WHEN IM MAKING A CALL I HAVE TO FIDDLE WITH THE 1738
HEADSET OR I THINK IN THIS CASE THE HEADSET WAS LOST. 1739
EM: UM HUH 1740
JP: IN THE CAR BUT I ENDED UP FINDING IT THIS MORNING 1741
EM: OK 1742
JP: THAT’S THE ONE THAT YOU SAW… 1743
EM: RIGHT RIGHT 1744
JP: UM BUT YEAH I I DON’T EVEN KNOW I MEAN I USUALLY FIGURE IT’S JUST 1745
GONNA RING SO I I DON’T BOTHER EVEN PUTTIN IT TO MY EAR UNTIL TILL 1746
I GET THE HEADSET ON YOU KNOW? 1747
EM: OK 1748
JP: SO I DIDN’T I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT… 1749
EM: SO YOU DON’T KNOW IF IT RANG OR IF…. 1750
JP: I I DON’T I DON’T KNOW… 1751
EM: DID YOU SPEAK TO HER AT ALL? 1752
JP: NO 1753
EM: OK 1754
JP: IT WENT TO HER VOICEMAIL. 1755
EM: ALRIGHT AND WHAT NUMBER DID YOU CALL? 1756
JP: 1757
EM: OK ALRIGHT AND YOUR SAYING IT JUST WENT TO VOICEMAIL DID YOU 1758
LEAVE HER A MESSAGE? 1759
JP: A…A… YEAH 1760
EM: OK WHAT UM A SHE CARRIES THIS PHONE WITH HER ALL THE TIME IM 1761
ASSUMING IT’S HER PERSONAL CELL PHONE RIGHT? 1762
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JP: YEAH 1763
EM: OK SO WHEN SHES AT WORK UM DOES SHE USUALLY LEAVE THE PHONE 1764
ON OR OFF? 1765
JP: UM DEPENDS I I THINK SHE WELL SHE SOMETIMES TURNS IT OFF. 1766
EM: SHE SOMETIMES TURNS IT OFF? 1767
JP: YEAH 1768
EM: IS THERE A UM LIKE AN OFFICE NUMBER TO REACH HER AT AT HER 1769
WORK? 1770
JP: UM I JUST FOUND OUT TODAY THAT THERE IS A OFFICE A DIRECT LINE 1771
BUT SHE HAS ALWAYS TOLD ME TO CALL HER SUPERVISOR. 1772
EM: OK 1773
JP: SO IVE…WELL I DON’T EVER HAVE TO CALL EM SO I DON’T THINK ABOUT 1774
IT YOU KNOW? 1775
EM: SO IS SHE….RIGHT… 1776
JP: I MEAN… 1777
EM: RIGHT BUT IF YOU IF YOU WANTED TO GET AHOLD OF HER AND SHES AT 1778
WORK…. 1779
JP: CELL PHONE 1780
EM: WOULD YOU JUST CALL HER CELL PHONE? 1781
JP: AND LEAVE A MESSAGE I MEAN SHE GETS EM EVENTUALLY. 1782
EM: RIGHT THAT THAT MEANS SHES BUSY SHE OBVIOUSLY CANT ANSWER. 1783
JP: YEAH I MEAN SHES IN THE CALL CENTER SO IT… 1784
EM: IS THAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT DESCRIBE DO YOU KNOW ARE YOU 1785
FAMILIAR WITH HER JOB? 1786
JP: A IVE NEVER DONE IT BUT… 1787
EM: OH I MEAN… 1788
JP: ITS APPROXIMATELY TAKE A PHONE CALL DEAL WITH SOME MORON… 1789
EM: YEAH 1790
JP: THIS IS WHAT SHE TELLS ME. 1791
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JP: YEAH I SORRY I DIDN’T KNOW THESE WERE IN A VENDING MACHINE I 1821
THOUGHT THEY WERE JUST… 1822
EM: NO IT’S ALRIGHT 1823
JP: IN A FRIDGE THAT’S SUPPLIED YOU KNOW 1824
EM: JUST TO WANT TO MAKE SURE…YEAH IT’S ALRIGHT 1825
JP: BUT MY BOYS JUST GET SO EXCITED. 1826
EM: (INAUDIBLE) WHY WOULD SHE HAS SHE EVER LEFT YOUR BOYS BEFORE. 1827
JP: I JUST WANT TO DO SOME SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR THEM, 1828
EM: HAS SHE EVER LEFT THE BOYS BEFORE? 1829
JP: I MEAN DURING THE DAY BUT NOT NOT AN EXTENDED PERIOD. 1830
EM: WHY DO YOU THINK SHE LEFT THIS TIME? 1831
JP: I DON’T KNOW I MEAN SHE ONLY YOU KNOW YOU KNOW IF IT’S HER DAY 1832
OFF SHE SLEEPS IN AND IF IT’S HER DAY TO WORK SHE GETS UP AND GOES 1833
TO WORK. 1834
EM: RIGHT 1835
JP: I JUST CAN’T EVEN THINK OF OF WHAT IS GOING ON 1836
EM: WELL I NEED YOUR HELP JOSH. I MEAN YOU KNOW HER BETTER THEN WE 1837
DO. SHES LEFT YOUR BOYS SHES LEFT YOU. 1838
JP: NO I DON’T THINK SHE DID. 1839
EM: YOU DON’T THINK SO? 1840
JP: NO 1841
EM: HELP ME WHERE SHOULD WE LOOK FOR HER? 1842
JP: I THINK SHE WOULD HAVE GONE TO WORK. 1843
EM: OK 1844
JP: OR DID SHE WOULD HAVE TRIED TO GO TO WORK. 1845
EM: ALRIGHT 1846
JP: I MEAN THAT’S WHAT SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF DOING. 1847
EM: UM HUH SHE DIDN’T GO TO WORK. WE KNOW THAT RIGHT? 1848
JP: YEAH SHE DIDN’T GO TO WORK. 1849
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EM: SHE DIDN’T GO TO WORK. 1850
JP: (INAUDIBLE) COLD 1851
EM: YEAH SO THAT’S WHY I NEED YOUR HELP I NEED YOUR HELP TO HELP ME 1852
UM I NEED YOU TO HELP ME FIND HER TELL ME WHERE I NEED TO LOOK FOR 1853
HER. CAUSE YOU’RE THE CLOSEST ONE TO HER. 1854
JP: I JUST CAN’T THINK OF ANY PLACE THAT SHE WOULD BE GOING ASIDE 1855
FROM WORK OR IF SHE WAS INTENDING TO GO TO A FRIENDS HOUSE SHE 1856
WOULD HAVE. 1857
EM: UM HUH DO YOU HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS ON YOUR PHONE FROM HER? 1858
JP: UM…. 1859
EM: IM SURE SHE WAS PROBABLY CONCERNED FOR YOU AND THE BOYS 1860
JP: YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS MAKING CALLS THIS MORNING AND I DIDN’T 1861
REALIZE I GUESS MY PHONE HAS BEEN JUST BUGGIN OUT SO… 1862
EM: WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 1863
JP: UM IT JUST CUTS OUT AND… 1864
EM: OK 1865
JP: AND DIES I MEAN… 1866
EM: OK 1867
JP: SO… 1868
EM: BUT THAT DOESN’T STOP YOUR VOICEMAIL… 1869
JP: WELL NOT THE VOICEMAIL 1870
EM: UM HUH 1871
JP: BUT I DIDN’T HEAR IT RING BECAUSE OF THAT AND… 1872
EM: OK SO I MEAN 1873
JP: AND I AND I I THINK THERE IS A VOICEMAIL. 1874
EM: I MEAN IF SHES GONE 1875
JP: WHICH I SHOULD PROBABLY CHECK I MIGHT AS WELL (INAUDIBLE) MIND 1876
IF I CHECK IT? 1877
EM: WOULD YOU MIND DOING IT ON AUDIX SO I CAN LISTEN LIKE ON SPEAKER 1878
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SO I CAN HEAR IT. 1879
JP: OH OK WELL 1880
EM: YEAH IF YOU COULD DO IT ON SPEAKER THAT WOULD BE GREAT THEN 1881
THAT WAY I CAN LISTEN BECAUSE YOU KNOW I MEAN YOUR SAD THE 1882
BOY THE GIRL IM SURE THE BOYS ARE SAD I MEAN IM SURE THAT SHE 1883
WAS CONCERNED FOR YOU GUYS AND PROBABLY YOU KNOW CALLED 1884
YOUR PHONE TO SEE HOW YOU GUYS ARE HADNT HEARD FROM YOU 1885
WONDERING WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AT. 1886
JP: NO I TOLD HER ID BE BACK IN THE MORNING. 1887
EM: IN THE MORNING BUT YOU DIDN’T EVEN GET BACK UNTIL LATER THAT 1888
AFTERNOON RIGHT? 1889
JP: YEAH MY VOICEMAIL I DON’T THINK THERE WAS A VOICEMAIL 1890
YESTERDAY MY VOICEMAIL OH HOLD ON…MY VOICEMAIL (INAUDIBLE) 1891
THIS…WAIT A MINUTE… 1892
EM: CANT YOU JUST DIAL YOUR PHONE NUMBER? 1893
JP: WONDER WHY I CAN’T THINK STRAIGHT. 1894
EM: CANT YOU JUST CALL YOUR VOICEMAIL? 1895
JP: NO I CAN IF IT WOULD RESPOND OH COME ON… 1896
EM: WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU CHECKED YOUR VOICEMAIL? 1897
JP: I THINK IT WAS LAST NIGHT 1898
EM: WAS THERE ANY VOICEMAILS ON THERE FROM HER? 1899
JP: OR YESTERDAY…NO 1900
EM: THERE WASN’T ANY? 1901
JP: IT NOTIFIES ME WHEN THERES A VOICEMAIL 1902
EM: OK 1903
JP: SO I ACTUALLY DON’T EVEN THINK TO CHECK IT UNLESS IT NOTIFIES ME. 1904
OH SPEAKER 1905
(VOICEMAIL: SAVED MESSAGES NEW MESSAGE) 1906
UK: HEY JOSH UM (INAUDIBLE) SUGGESTED THAT (INAUDIBLE) TO MUCH 1907
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ACCUSATIONS GOING ON IN YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE POLICE 1908
THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET YOURSELF AN ATTORNEY BEFORE YOU 1909
(INAUDIBLE) 1910
JP: (INAUDIBLE) PEOPLE TELLING THAT 1911
UK: (INAUDIBLE) BECAUSE WHETHER YOU’VE DONE ANYTHING OR NOT YOUR 1912
GONNA PROBABLY BE ACCUSED AND YOU YOU KNOW (INAUDIBLE) 1913
JP: SORRY (INAUDIBLE) 1914
UK: MY ADVICE AND A (INAUDIBLE) 1915
(VOICEMAIL:TO PLAY THIS MESSAGE PRESS ONE TO DELETE PRESS SEVEN 1916
TO RETURN THE MESSAGE SENDERED CALL PRESS EIGHT TO SAVE 1917
PRESS…YOUR MESSAGE HAS BEEN DELETED TO UN DELETE PRESS ONE.) 1918
JP: WELL IF YOU WANT TO HEAR THE SAVED ONES THAT’S A PROBABLY 1919
(INAUDIBLE) 1920
UK: (INAUDIBLE) LOVE YOU BYE BYE 1921
JP: APPARENTLY MY MOM CALLED. 1922
EM: OH UM… 1923
JP: SORRY I DIDN’T REALIZE THERE WAS ANOTHER…. 1924
(VOICEMAIL TO REPLAY THIS MESSAGE PRESS ONE TO DELETE PRESS 1925
SEVEN TO RETURN THE MESSAGE SENDERED CALL PRESS EIGHT TO SAVE 1926
PRESS NINE FOR MORE OPTIONS YOUR MESSAGE HAS BEEN DELETED TO 1927
UN DELETE PRESS ONE) 1928
EM: NO ITS OK SO WAS THERE A SO THERE WAS NO MESSAGE FROM HER 1929
YESTERDAY THOUGH? 1930
JP: NO 1931
EM: OK THAT’S THAT’S FINE WE DON’T NEED TO GO THROUGH YOUR SAVED 1932
MESSAGES THAT’S OK WHAT… 1933
JP: SEE IF THERES ANY OTHER NEW ONES REAL QUICK 1934
(VOICEMAIL NEW MESSAGE) 1935
UK: HI JOSH (INAUDIBLE) 1936
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EM: WHO’S THAT CALLING? 1937
JP: MY MOM 1938
EM: YOUR MOM? 1939
UK: (INAUDIBLE) WHATS GOING (INAUDIBLE) 1940
EM: (INAUDIBLE) 1941
UK: CALL ME I LOVE YOU BYE BYE 1942
(VOICEMAIL DELETE YOUR MESSAGE HAS BEEN DELETED TO UN DELETE 1943
PRESS ONE NEW MESSAGE)EM: (INAUDIBLE) 1944
JP: I DON’T THINK THAT I WAS… 1945
EM: OK 1946
JP: AFTER ALL THE COMMOTION LAST NIGHT I WASN’T THINKING ABOUT 1947
VOICEMAILS 1948
EM: THAT’S OK WHAT UM…. 1949
(VOICEMAIL NEW MESSAGE) 1950
JP: NEW MESSAGE HOLD ON… 1951
EM: (INAUDIBLE) 1952
JP: (INAUDBILE) 1953
UK: HI JOSH (INAUDIBLE) YOU KNOW WE WANTED TO TO SEE WHAT WE CAN 1954
DO (INAUDIBLE) 1955
EM: THAT’S (INAUDIBLE) COMIN TO YOUR HOUSE? 1956
JP: YEAH 1957
UK: (INAUDIBLE) 1958
EM: WHAT UM… 1959
JP: HOLD ON LET ME JUST SEE WHAT THIS SAYS…. 1960
UK: UM WE LOVE YOU WERE GETTING THERE AS FAST AS WE CAN WILL TALK 1961
TO YOU SOON HONEY LOVE YOU BYE. 1962
EM: SO HAVE YOU BEEN IN TOUCH WITH YOUR WORK? 1963
JP: YEAH 1964
EM: HAVE YOU TALKED TO THEM? 1965
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(VOICEMAIL TO DELETE MESSAGE PRESS YOUR MESSAGE HAS BEEN 1966
DELETED TO UN DELETE PRESS ONE) 1967
EM: OK HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANYBODY AT HER WORK? HAVE YOU CALLED 1968
HER WORK AT ALL THIS MORNING? 1969
JP: BEEN TRYIN TO GET THE… 1970
(VOICEMAIL NEW MESSAGE) 1971
EM: HI THIS IS DETECTIVE MAXWELL WITH WEST VALLEY (INAUDIBLE) 1972
EM: THAT’S ME DUDE… 1973
JP: (INAUDIBLE) 1974
EM: I DON’T WANT TO SIT HER AND LISTEN TO ALL YOUR MESSAGES 1975
(INAUDIBLE) 1976
JP: ILL SAVE THAT ONE CAUSE IT HAS YOUR CELL PHONE NUMBER 1977
(VOICEMAIL SAVED MESSAGE) 1978
JP: OK IT’S SAVED 1979
UK: HEY JOSH RICHARD AT WORK A GIVE ME A CALL WHEN YOU GET A 1980
CHANCE (INAUDIBLE) 1981
EM: I DON’T WANT TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO ALL YOUR MESSAGES DUDE 1982
WE NEED TO FIND YOUR WIFE. 1983
(VOICEMAIL YOUR MESSAGE HAS BEEN DELETED) 1984
EM: WHAT UM DID YOU CALL HER WORK AT ALL 1985
(VOICEMAIL (INAUDIBLE) 1986
EM: AND SEE IF YOU COULD… 1987
JP: UM IVE BEEN TRYING TO TRACK DOWN THE PHONE NUMBER CAUSE 1988
EM: DID YOU ARE YOU I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU HAD A NUMBER FOR HER 1989
SUPERVISOR? 1990
JP: I THOUGHT I DID 1991
EM: OH 1992
JP: BUT I COULDN’T FIND IT IN MY PHONE SO I (INAUDIBLE) END UP CALLING 1993
TO TRY TO GET IT. 1994
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EM: OK 1995
JP: WELL I MEAN I HAVENT HAD A CHANCE TO CALL IT YET. 1996
EM: (INAUDIBLE) AND THE ONLY REASON IM ASKIN TO SEE IF YOU HEARD 1997
ANYTHING DIFFERENT THEN WHAT THEY TOLD ME DO YOU KNOW WHAT I 1998
MEAN? WITH YOU BEING HER HUSBAND MAYBE THEY WOULD TELL YOU 1999
SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN’T TELL US DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 2000
JP: RIGHT (INAUDIBLE) 2001
EM: SO YOU HAVENT BEEN YOU HAVENT TALKED TO THEM? 2002
JP: NO CAUSE ACTUALLY UM IVE BEEN TRYIN TO TRACK DOWN THE NUMBER 2003
AND I DID FINALLY GET IT. 2004
(INAUDIBLE) 2005
EM: OK 2006
JP: BUT I JUST HAVENT HAD A CHANCE TO CALL. 2007
EM: OK 2008
JP: I WAS GONNA CALL WHEN YOU GUYS WERE OUT… 2009
EM: IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT A YOU’VE CALLED TO FOLLOW UP ON TO 2010
SEE WHERE SHES AT? 2011
JP: I JUST CALLED HER DAD (INAUDIBLE) 2012
EM: YOU CALLED HER DAD? 2013
JP: YEAH 2014
EM: AND YOUR ATTORNEY? 2015
JP: PRE PAID LEGAL ATTORNEYS YEAH 2016
EM: (INAUDIBLE) OH WHAT A HAVE YOU CALLED ANYBODY ELSE TO FOLLOW 2017
UP ON WHERE A I MEAN TO TRY TO FIND HER AT ALL? 2018
JP: IVE BEEN TRYIN TO THINK OF WHO TO CALL 2019
EM: UM HUH 2020
JP: BUT THIS MORNING HAS BEEN JUST TRYIN TO THE MORNING ROUTINE GET 2021
THE BOYS 2022
EM: YEAH 2023
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JP: READY WAITIN FOR MY MOM OH AND I DID SEE SOME FRIEND A OH AND 2024
DAX AND MINDY I FORGOT ABOUT THEM. THERE THERE ALSO MY 2025
FRIENDS 2026
EM: OK DAX AND MINDY? 2027
JP: A...A…A... GU LETS SEE IM NOT SURE DON’T QUOTE ME ON HIS 2028
LAST NAME. 2029
EM: OK DIDYOU TALK TO ANYBODY LAST NIGHT? 2030
JP: HE DROPPED BY THE HOUSE. 2031
EM: OK DID YOU TALK TO ANYBODY LAST NIGHT? 2032
JP: (INAUDIBLE) 2033
EM: AS TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE SHE COULD HAVE BEEN? NO? OK 2034
JP: UM I TALKED TO MY DAD AND MY FAMILY 2035
EM: LAST NIGHT? 2036
JP: YEAH 2037
EM: WHY DID HE HAVE ANY HELP? 2038
JP: UM I I THINK YOU KNOW I THEY JUST UPDATED ME THE SAME THINGS AS 2039
OTHER PEOPLE DID. 2040
EM: AND YOU SPOKE TO HER DAD RIGHT? TODAY? 2041
JP: UH YEAH 2042
EM: WAS THAT TODAY? 2043
JP: YEAH THAT WAS TODAY. 2044
EM: DID HE HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL? 2045
JP: NO 2046
EM: OK ALRIGHT UM HAVE YOU CALLED LIKE ANY OTHER PLACES WHERE SHE 2047
COULD BE I MEAN HAVE YOU CHECKED ANY PLACES WHERE SHE COULD 2048
BE? 2049
JP: I HAVENT HAD MUCH OF A CHANCE TO DO ANY OF THAT YET 2050
EM: ALRIGHT UM IF THERE WERE PLACES I MEAN IF THERES PLACES THAT WE 2051
NEED TO GO CHECK WHAT PLACES SHOULD WE GO CHECK TO SEE IF WE 2052
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CAN FIND HER? 2053
JP: BEAUTY SUPPLY I DON’T THINK SHE WOULD BE THERE BUT SHE LIKES EM. 2054
EM: OK 2055
JP: BEAUTY SUPPLY 2056
EM: OK SO BEAUTY SUPPLY WHERES THAT AT? 2057
JP: A SHE HAS SO MANY A I FORGOT TO MENTION SHES A LICENSED 2058
COSMOTOLOGIST IN WASHINGTON BUT NOT HERE, 2059
EM: OK BUT YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT BEAUTY SUPPLY STORE SHE WOULD 2060
FREQUENT? 2061
JP: UM I SHE DOES GO TO SALLYS UM AND I DON’T KNOW IF IT’S SALLYS OR A 2062
DIFFERENT ONE ON SOMEWHERE NEAR BANGERTER AND A I I THINK 2063
THIRTY FIFTH. 2064
EM: OK 2065
JP: UM I THINK IT’S RIGHT THERE WITH AN ALBERTSONS 2066
EM: OH OK I THINK IT’S YEAH THIRTY SIXTH WEST MAYBE 2067
JP: YEAH 2068
EM: OK 2069
JP: YEAH SOMETHING LIKE THAT WELL 2070
EM: LETS GO BACK TO ER WORK SCHEDULE YOU SAY MONDAY TUESDAY UM 2071
FRIDAY SATURDAY WHAT ARE HERE TYPICAL HOURS THAT SHE WORKS? 2072
JP: A SEVEN TO FIVE THIRTY 2073
EM: AND THAT’S WHAT SHE WORKS ALL THE TIME? 2074
JP: TYPICALLY I MEAN SHE TOOK THE MORNING OFF ON SATURDAY 2075
EM: OK OK SO ON SATURDAY SHE’S WORK THAT AS WELL? 2076
JP: YEAH 2077
EM: OK DOES SHE GO TO THE GYM AT ALL? 2078
JP: NO 2079
EM: DOES SHE FREQUENT THE GYM 2080
JP: SHE HAS A GYM AT WORK? 2081
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EM: OK SO SHE WOULDN’T BE GOING TO NO GYM? 2082
JP: NO 2083
EM: UM I GUESS THE DIFFICULT THING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS WE DON’T 2084
HAVE A VEHICLE TO LOOK FOR CAUSE SHE DIDN’T HAVE ACCESS TO A 2085
VEHICLE TO DRIVE RIGHT? CAUSE YOU JUST HAVE THE ONE VEHICLE THE 2086
MINI VAN? 2087
JP: YEAH WE SHARE ONE CAR 2088
EM: OK SO IF SHE WANTED TO LEAVE SOMETIME BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND UM 2089
SAY TEN A.M. UM HOW WOULD SHE GET FROM WHEREVER SH…IF HOW 2090
WOULD SHE LEAVE THE HOUSE? WHO WOULD HOW WOULD SHE WHAT 2091
WOULD SHE USE FOR TRANSPORTATION? 2092
JP: UM TYPICALLY I THINK SHE WOULD EITHER GET A RIDE WITH SOMEONE 2093
OR 2094
EM: OK 2095
JP: RIDE THE BUS. 2096
EM: DOES SHE RIDE THE BUS FREQUENTLY? 2097
JP: NO 2098
EM: OFTEN? 2099
JP: NO 2100
EM: OK 2101
JP: IT’S REAL RARE 2102
EM: WHO WOULD SHE GET A RIDE FROM? WHO WOULD BE THE PERSON I NEED 2103
TO CALL AND SAY HEY DID YOU PCIK UP AND TAKE SUSAN ANYWHERE? 2104
JP: UM 2105
EM: ON MONDAY? 2106
JP: DEBBIE 2107
EM: THAT’S DEBBIE THAT’S THE DAYCARE PROVIDER RIGHT? 2108
JP: UM HUH RIGHT LINDA 2109
EM: WHO’S LINDA? 2110
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JP: THE LADY AT WORK 2111
EM: OK 2112
JP: AT HER WORK 2113
EM: UM HUH 2114
JP: UM JOVANNA 2115
EM: OK 2116
JP: I THINK MAYBE SHES GOTTEN A RIDE FROM JUDY A FEW TIMES 2117
EM: WHO’S JUDY? 2118
JP: A JUDY WADE 2119
EM: OH OK ALRIGHT SO THOSE WOULD BE THE PEOPLE SHE WOULD CALL FOR 2120
A RIDE? OK 2121
JP: I MEAN I KNOW IM SURE THERES OTHER PEOPLE I JUST THERE NOT ALL 2122
COMING 2123
EM: KIIRSI WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE? NO 2124
JP: UM NO LAST RESORT 2125
EM: FOR YOU OR FOR HER? 2126
JP: SHE DOESN’T LIKE TO IMPOSITION KIIRSI 2127
EM: OK ALRIGHT 2128
JP: A...THAT’S THE WAY KIIR…THAT’S JUST KIIRSI’S PERSONALITY YOU 2129
KNOW SHES… 2130
EM: OK 2131
JP: I MEAN SHE WOULD DO IT DON’T GET ME WRONG SHE WOULD DO IT IM 2132
SURE BUT 2133
EM: RIGHT OK 2134
JP: A…DON’T TELL HER THAT I SAID THAT… 2135
EM: I WOULDN’T TELL HER. I WILL NOT TELL HER OK SO NO GYM IF SHE WAS 2136
ABLE TO GET A RIDE THESE ARE THE FOUR PEOPLE SHE WOULD CALL 2137
THAT YOU CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW RIGHT? 2138
JP: YEAH 2139
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EM: WAS SHE ON ANY MEDICATION AT ALL? 2140
JP: UM SHE WAS ON SOMETHING BUT I DO I THOUGHT IT WAS OVER BUT 2141
MAYBE ITS NOT. 2142
EM: WHAT WOULD THAT BE? 2143
JP: SHE SHE HAD A BAD EAR ACHE AND… 2144
EM: OH 2145
JP: UM SHE HAD I DON’T KNOW THE FLU 2146
EM: OK 2147
JP: THE I THOUGHT… 2148
EM: ANY OTHER ANY (INAUDIBLE) THAT SHE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ON A 2149
DAILY BASIS SAY FOR MEDICAL CONDITION OR A MENTAL A DISABILITY 2150
OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? 2151
JP: THERES NOTHING REGULAR. 2152
EM: OK ALRIGHT 2153
JP: AT LEAST NONE THAT I KNOW OF 2154
EM: OK WHY WOULD SHE LEAVE HER A ANY THOUGHTS ON WHY SHE WOULD 2155
LEAVE BEHIND HER PURSE? 2156
JP: WELL SHE DOESN’T ALWAYS TAKE HER PURSE CAUSE ITS BULKY YOU 2157
KNOW? 2158
EM: WOMAN GO EVERYWHERE WITH THEIR PURSE THAT’S WHERE THEIR HAIR 2159
SPRAY IS… 2160
JP: SHE 2161
EM: AND THEIR MAKEUP AND THEIR MONEY 2162
JP: UM SHE DOESN’T ALWAYS TAKE IT 2163
EM: OK 2164
JP: I MEAN 2165
EM: WHAT ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF SOMETIMES WHEN SHE WOULDN’T TAKE 2166
HER PURSE? 2167
JP: UM I DON’T THINK SHE TOOK IT TO THAT PARTY. I DON’T THINK SHE 2168
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TAKES IT TO CHURCH UM YOU KNOW MOST OF THE TIME IF SHE DOESN’T 2169
YOU KNOW SHE’S JUST GOING SOMEWHERE 2170
EM: UM HUH 2171
JP: THAT SHE DOESN’T THINK SHE NEEDS ANYTHING THEN SHE’LL JUST 2172
LEAVE IT UM 2173
EM: OK 2174
JP: BUT IF SHE YOU KNOW IF SHE KNEW IF WE WERE GOING SOMEWHERE 2175
TOGETHER 2176
EM: UM HUH 2177
JP: SHE FREQUENTLY JUST LEAVES IT SHE ASSUMES THAT ILL HAVE KEYS 2178
AND STUFF 2179
EM: RIGHT RIGHT UM NO YOU SAID SEE THAT’S THE OTHER THING IS HER KEYS 2180
JP: YEAH I FOUND OUT MY MOM TOOK THE KEYS IN FACT SHE STILL HAS 2181
THEM. 2182
EM: OK DID SHE GIVE EM BACK SHE DIDN’T GIVE EM BACK TO YA? 2183
JP: NO 2184
EM: OK OK WHAT A DID YOU SEE HER KEYS FROM LAST NIGHT 2185
JP: UM I NEVER DID 2186
EM: YOU DIDN’T? DID YOU TALK TO YOUR MOM ABOUT THE KEYS? 2187
JP: THIS MORNING 2188
EM: OK 2189
JP: I ASKED HER CAUSE I I LOOKED IN THE… 2190
EM: (INAUDIBLE) GO AHEAD 2191
JP: I LOOKED IN HER PERSON TO TRY TO SEE YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS 2192
ANYTHING IN THERE SIGNIFICANT OR IF KEYS WERE THERE AND THEY 2193
WERENT SO I THOUGHT YOU GUYS TOOK EM. 2194
EM: NO 2195
JP: BUT UM 2196
EM: BUT YOU’RE YOU’RE YOUR MOM HAD THEM? 2197
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JP: MY MOM TOOK EM 2198
EM: YEAH (INAUDIBLE) 2199
JP: I ACTUALLY THOUGHT YOU GUYS TOOK MY HEADSET TO 2200
EM: NO WE DON’T TAKE WE DIDN’T TAKE ANYTHING 2201
JP: I I WAS WONDERING IN FACT DO YOU GUYS TAKE STUFF? 2202
EM: NO 2203
JP: WITHOUT TELLING ME? 2204
EM: NO 2205
JP: OK 2206
EM: WE HAVE NO REASON TO TAKE ANYTHING 2207
JP: I WAS JUST WONDERING I THOUGHT THAT BUT 2208
EM: NO 2209
JP: I JUST LIKE I SAID…IVE BEEN 2210
EM: WHAT A WAS THE HOUSE KEY THAT WAS THE HOUSE KEY ON HER SET OF 2211
KEYS? 2212
JP: UM MY MOM ASSUMED IT WAS AND I DIDN’T EVEN GET AROUND TO 2213
TALKIN TO HER ABOUT THE FACT THAT I DON’T THINK IT IS 2214
EM: UM HUH 2215
JP: UNLESS IT’S CLIPPED ON YOU KNOW BUT… 2216
EM: RIGHT 2217
JP: UM SHE WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY 2218
EM: OK NOT A PROBLEM UM WHAT ABOUT UM THE KIDS DID THE KIDS SAY 2219
ANYTHING TO YA YOU CAUSE… 2220
JP: NO 2221
EM: IF IF A MOM WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE PHONE RIGHT SAY 2222
IF SHE WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY ON THE PHONE OR TALKING TO 2223
SOMEBODY AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT… 2224
JP: RIGHT THERE GONNA REPEAT IT 2225
EM: YEAH EXACTLY KIDS ARE ALWAYS TALKING SO I MEAN DID WHY YOU 2226
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WERE WITH THE KIDS LAST NIGHT AND UM UM YESTERDAY AND A THE 2227
NIGHT BEFORE YESTERDAY THAT MORNING OR ANYTHING I MEAN DID 2228
DID THE KIDS EVER SAY ANYTHING THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS KIND OF 2229
LIKE KINDA WEIRD LIKE WOW? 2230
JP: UH HUH 2231
EM: WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT? NO? 2232
JP: NO 2233
EM: HMMM… 2234
JP: WHEN THEY UM THERE JUST ACTIN NORMAL 2235
EM: ARE THEY? HAVE THEY ASKED WHERE MOM IS AT? 2236
JP: THEY I THINK THERE OVER HEARING ALL OF OUR CONVERSATIONS AND 2237
THERE JUST I GUESS COPING OR SOMETHING I DON’T KNOW. 2238
EM: UM HUH SO THEY HAVENT QUESTIONED OR INQUIRED AS TO WHERE 2239
MOMS AT? 2240
JP: WELL THEY DID YESTERDAY BUT YOU KNOW… 2241
EM: WHEN WHEN YESTERDAY? 2242
JP: ON THE WAY HOME YOU KNOW HE WAS TRYIN TO SAY HE WANTS TO GO 2243
TELL HER ABOUT A RATTLE SNAKE OR SOMETHING 2244
EM: OK ON THE WAY HOME FROM THE PONY EXPRESS ROAD? 2245
JP: YEAH 2246
EM: OK 2247
JP: BUT SINCE THEN YOU KNOW ITS YOU KNOW I MEAN HE MIGHT HE HE 2248
BEFORE ALL THIS STARTED HE SAID THAT HE WANTED TO TELL HER 2249
SHOW HER SOMETHING A FEW TIMES YOU KNOW? 2250
EM: YEAH 2251
JP: BUT THEN SINCE THEN THEY HAVENT I I MEAN IM SURE THEY KNOW THAT 2252
SHE ISNT AROUND 2253
EM: YEAH 2254
JP: AND I DON’T 2255
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EM: AND THAT’S WHY I ASKED IF THEY HAD ASKED YOU ABOUT THAT CAUSE 2256
(INAUDIBLE)… 2257
JP: I DON’T KNOW IF I NEED TO SIT AND TALK TO THEM OR WHAT? 2258
EM: OK WHAT 2259
JP: GUESS I WILL 2260
EM: WHAT UM IS THERE ANY DOES SHE HAVE ANY ENEMIES? IS THERE ANY 2261
ENEMIES OUT THERE THAT A… 2262
JP: UM SHE GAVE KEYS TO THE DAYCARE PROVIDER AND I DON’T KNOW 2263
WHO ELSE 2264
EM: OK 2265
JP: UM SO I DON’T KNOW WHO HAS KEYS TO OUR HOUSE. 2266
EM: OK 2267
JP: TO BE HONEST 2268
EM: WHY WOULD SHE GIVE KEYS TO THE DAYCARE PROVIDER? 2269
JP: UM SHES AFRAID OF GETTING LOCKED OUT. 2270
EM: OK 2271
JP: UM YEAH 2272
EM: YEAH 2273
JP: BUT I YOU KNOW SHE NEVER MENTIONED IT TO ME 2274
EM: SHE (INAUDIBLE) 2275
JP: I HAD TO FIND OUT AFTER THE FACT YOU KNOW 2276
EM: AFTER WHAT FACT? 2277
JP: WELL AFTER SHE GAVE THE KEYS AWAY AND SO I DIDN’T KNOW SHE WAS 2278
GIVIN THEM OUT TO HER AND SO I DON’T KNOW WHO ELSE SHE COULD 2279
HAVE GIVIN THEM TO 2280
EM: SO DID A DID SUSAN TELL YOU THAT SHE GAVE THE KEY O THE KEY TO 2281
THE DAYCARE PROVIDER? 2282
JP: UM 2283
EM: AFTER SHE GAVE HER THE KEY IS THAT WHAT (INAUDIBLE) 2284
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JP: ACTUALLY TO BE HONEST I FOUND OUT FROM FROM MY FAMILY 2285
EM: OK YESTERDAY? 2286
JP: YEAH AND SO I WAS KINDA PISSED OFF THAT THEY BROKE THE WINDOW 2287
IF SHES THE ONE WHO STARTED INQUIRING SHE HAD A KEY 2288
EM: UM HUH 2289
JP: BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO? 2290
EM: OK SO YOU ACTUALLY DIDN’T KNOW THAT SHE GAVE THE DAYCARE 2291
PROVIDER A KEY UNTIL YESTERDAY? 2292
JP: I I DIDN’T REALLY 2293
EM: AND YOU THINK THE REASON WHY SHE GAVE HER A KEY IS BECAUSE 2294
JP: WELL THAT’S WHAT THEY TOLD ME THAT SHE WAS AFRAID OF GETTING 2295
LOCKED OUT 2296
EM: OH OK AND DID THE DAYCARE PROVIDER? 2297
JP: (INAUDIBLE) 2298
EM: THE DAYCARE PROVIDER TOLD YOU THAT? 2299
JP: NO I DON’T KNOW HOW THEY FOUND THAT OUT. 2300
EM: ME NEITHER LIKE I SAID WHEN OUR PATROL OFFICERS WERE…. 2301
JP: I I GUESS I COULD ASK THEM IF THEY’VE TALKED TO HER OR SOMETHING 2302
EM: YEAH A… 2303
JP: UM MAYBE MY SISTER TALKED TO HER AND THEN MY SISTER TALKED TO 2304
MY DAD AND THEN MY DAD AND MY BROTHER AND SISTER TOLD ME AND 2305
EM: YEAH 2306
JP: I DON’T KNOW WHICH (INAUDIBLE) 2307
EM: OK UM WHAT ABOUT CLOSE PEOPLE I MEAN YOU’VE MENTIONED LINDA 2308
AS A PERSON AT HER WORK ARE THERE SOME OTHER CLOSE PEOPLE AT 2309
HER WORK THAT A THAT YOU KNOW OF THAT MAYBE I NEED TO TALK 2310
TO? 2311
JP: I MEAN THERE ARE BUT I I DON’T REALLY KNOW THERE NAMES I DON’T 2312
EVER SEE EM 2313
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EM: (INAUDIBLE) 2314
JP: CAUSE SHE’LL IF SHE’S GONNA GO DO SOMETHING WITH THEM UM 2315
USUALLY ITS EITHER DURING WORK OR I THINK A COUPLE TIMES SHE DID 2316
GIRLS NIGHTS AND I DON’T I MEAN I DON’T ALWAYS ASK WHO ITS WITH 2317
SHE’S LIKE IM DOIN A GIRLS NIGHT OK WHATEVER. 2318
EM: OK WE KIND OF GOT OFF TRACK HER ON THE ENEMIES THING YOU 2319
BROUGHT UP A THAT A KEY WAS GIVEN TO THE DAYCARE PROVIDER 2320
WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ENEMIES. DOES SHE A DOES SHE 2321
HAVE ANY ENEMIES OUT THERE ANY PEOPLE THAT DON’T LIKE HER? 2322
JP: WELL I I JUST MENTIONED THE KEY THING BECAUSE 2323
EM: UM HUH 2324
JP: IF THERES KEYS FLOATIN AROUND 2325
EM: UM HUH 2326
JP: IT YOU JUST DON’T KNOW 2327
EM: OK SO 2328
JP: BUT UM I DON’T KNOW UM I DON’T THINK SHE HAS ANY ENEMIES I MEAN 2329
EM: OK 2330
JP: YOU KNOW SHE’LL SOMETIMES REPORT PROBLEMS WHEN THEY SEE EM 2331
BUT YOU KNOW I I DON’T THINK ANYONE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD 2332
BE MALICIOUS YOU KNOW? 2333
EM: UM HUH OK 2334
JP: TEENAGERS BREAKING WINDOWS BUT OTHER THAN THAT THAT’S YEAH I 2335
MEAN 2336
EM: OK SO NO SO NO ENEMIES NOBODY THAT WOULD WANT TO HARM HER 2337
NOBODY THAT WOULD WANT TO IS MAD AT HER THAT YOU KNOW OF? 2338
JP: I CAN’T THINK OF ANYONE 2339
EM: OK UM HOW BOUT SUICIDE? DEPRESSION? WAS SHE IS SHE DID SHE IS 2340
EVER SUICIDAL OR DEPRESSED? 2341
JP: SHE WAS SUICIDAL 2342
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EM: SHE WAS? 2343
JP: YEAH 2344
EM: WHENS THAT? 2345
JP: WELL I THOUGHT THAT WAS OVER 2346
EM: TELL ME (INAUDIBLE) OK TELL ME EVERY THING ABOUT THAT 2347
JP: UM SHE JUST UM SHE WAS JUST SAD I GUESS I MEAN I JUST I JUST… 2348
EM: WHAT WAS SHE SAD ABOUT? 2349
JP: WELL I I WAS ALWAYS UM I DON’T KNOW I MEAN I DO A LOT YOU KNOW 2350
BUT I DON’T ALWAYS DO EVERYTHING THAT SHE WANTS AND YOU KNOW 2351
FOR AWHILE WE WERE NOT AFFECTIONATE YOU KNOW 2352
EM: UM HUH 2353
JP: I GUESS THAT WAS DEPRESSING AND I I DON’T KNOW IF MAYBE SHE WAS 2354
UPSET ABOUT WORK OR SOMETHING BUT I DON’T KNOW IT ALL I MEAN 2355
LIKE I SAY WE DIDN’T DO A WHOLE LOT OF TALKING ABOUT IT AND I 2356
THOUGHT THAT SHE WAS OVER IT YOU KNOW 2357
EM: OK WELL YOU SAY THAT SHE WAS SAD AND SHE WAS SAD AND A YOU 2358
MENTIONED THAT YOU WERENT THAT AFFECTIONATE TOGETHER AND 2359
THAT A YOU MENTIONED THAT SOMETIMES YOU WERENT DOING THINGS 2360
THAT SHE ASKED UM ARE YOU THINKING THAT…. 2361
JP: NO SOMETIMES SHE THINKS IM LAZY OR SOMETHING YOU KNOW? 2362
EM: CAUSED HER TO BE SAD? ARE YOU SAYING THAT THOSE THAT THAT 2363
CAUSED HER TO BE SAD? 2364
JP: UM I I DON’T KNOW I MEAN HONESTLY HONESTLY I THINK HER MOM IS 2365
CRAZY 2366
EM: OK 2367
JP: UM AND HONESTLY I THINK THAT THERES SOME (INAUDIBLE) GENETIC 2368
(INAUDIBLE) YOU KNOW? 2369
EM: UM HUH 2370
JP: INHERITED SOME HOW. 2371
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EM: K 2372
JP: BUT I DON’T THINK SHES EVER BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH ANYTHING AND 2373
LIKE I SAY IT’S NOT REALLY NEVER BEEN REALLY A HUGE PROBLEM YOU 2374
KNOW? 2375
EM: IT’S NEVER BEEN A BIG PROBLEM? WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT SHE HAS 2376
BEEN SUICIDAL IN THE PAST THEN? 2377
JP: WELL I MEAN SHE TOLD ME 2378
EM: WHAT DID SHE TELL YOU? 2379
JP: BASICALLY WHAT I TOLD YOU THAT SHE WAS JUST DEPRESSED YOU 2380
KNOW MAINLY ABOUT I MEAN I YOU KNOW JUST THE AFFECTION ISSUE 2381
AND UM AND I THINK SHE MENTIONED A FEW THINGS ABOUT WORK BUT I 2382
DON’T REMEMBER. I DON’T REMEMBER WHAT YOU KNOW 2383
EM: UM HUH 2384
JP: UM AND SOME FRIENDS BUT I DON’T REMEMBER ANY DETAILS ON THAT 2385
BUT SHE WASN’T HANGING OUT WITH FRIENDS ENOUGH OR SOMETHING 2386
YOU KNOW 2387
EM: OK DID SHE EVER A DID SHE EVER ATTEMPT TO COMMIT SUICIDE? 2388
JP: I DON’T THINK SO 2389
EM: OK UM DID SHE EVER TALK ABOUT COMMITTING SUICIDE? 2390
JP: NO NOT WITH ME 2391
EM: OK UM DID SHE EVER TALK ABOUT DEPRESSION OR BEING IN A DEEP 2392
DEPRESSION OR BEING DEPRESSED? 2393
JP: UM ONLY REALLY ONLY ONCE WITH ME 2394
EM: OK WHEN WAS THAT? 2395
JP: I THINK THAT’S BEEN MONTHS AGO. 2396
EM: MONTHS AGO? 2397
JP: OR LIKE I DON’T KNOW 2398
EM: I DON’T EITHER 2399
JP: SIX MONTHS MAYBE OR… 2400
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EM: OK 2401
JP: ACTUALLY IT COULD HAVE BEEN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR I DON’T KNOW 2402
EM: OK TELL ME EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT. 2403
JP: WELL THAT’S WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU. 2404
EM: WHAT? THAT THERE WAS AFFECTION ISSUES, SHE WASN’T SPENDING 2405
ENOUGH TIME WITH HER FRIENDS AND YOU WOULDN’T DO THE THINGS 2406
THAT SHE LIKED YOU TO DO? 2407
JP: YEAH 2408
EM: OK SO… 2409
JP: THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 2410
EM: SO THOSE ARE THE CONTRIBUTORS TO HER BEING SAD AND BEING 2411
DEPRESSED? 2412
JP: THAT’S WHAT SHE TOLD ME 2413
EM: OK AND UM OUT OF THOSE CONTRIBUTORS OF OF THOSE PROBLEMS OR 2414
CONCERNS THAT SHE HAD HOW DID THAT AFFECT YOUR GUY’S 2415
RELATIONSHIP? 2416
JP: UM WELL WE STARTED SEEING A COUNSELOR OH AND SHE WAS 2417
DEPRESSED THAT I WASN’T GOING TO CHURCH. 2418
EM: OK 2419
JP: UM SO UM THINGS HAVE BEEN GOIN GOOD YOU KNOW I MEAN WE 2420
ALWAYS VENT IN FRONT OF THE COUNSELOR YOU KNOW HOW THAT 2421
GOES THAT’S LIKE THE SAFE SPOT…. 2422
EM: YEAH 2423
JP: TO SAY WHAT YOU DON’T WANT TO SAY NORMALLY 2424
EM: UM HUH 2425
JP: BUT OTHER WISE I MEAN THROUGHOUT THE WEEKS AND MONTHS I MEAN 2426
I DON’T KNOW WE JUST TRY TO DO LITTLE THINGS YOU KNOW I MEAN I 2427
TRY TO DO A LITTLE MORE HELPIN OUT AROUND THE HOUSE YOU KNOW 2428
AND… 2429
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EM: UM HUH 2430
JP: AND SHE HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A TEMPER SO SHE SAID SHE WOULD WORK 2431
ON THAT 2432
EM: UM HUH 2433
JP: SO I I MEAN SHE HAS YOU KNOW BUT THAT’S WHERE I SAY HER MOTHER 2434
IS CRAZY AND IVE BEEN TRYING TO CONVINCE HER THAT YOU GOTTA 2435
GET SOME SHRINK TO POUND YOUR MOTHER OUT OF YOU BUT SHE 2436
DOESN’T SEE IT THAT WAY SHE SHE GETS REALLY MAD WHEN I SAY 2437
ANYTHING ABOUT HER MOTHER 2438
EM: WELL YEAH MOST MOST WIVES DO MOST DEFINITELY BUT UM SO WITH 2439
THIS WHAT WE’VE JUST DISCUSSED ARE YOU SAYING THAT THIS HAS 2440
BEEN GOING ON FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR? 2441
JP: WELL NO I DON’T KNOW… 2442
EM: OR HAS THIS BEEN GOING ON THROUGHOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP? 2443
JP: OH NO 2444
EM: AND IT’S…IM JUST TRYIN TO GET THE TIME LINE ON THIS UM 2445
JP: WELL I MEAN… 2446
EM: WITH HER BEING SAD BECAUSE OF THE AFFECTION ISSUES… 2447
JP: I ONLY I (INAUDIBLE) 2448
EM: NOT SPENDING TIME WITH HER FRIENDS, NOT GOIND TO CHURCH, YOU 2449
NOT DOING THINGS THAT SHE ASKED IS THAT WAS THAT A LONGEVITY 2450
PROBLEM THROUGHOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP AND YOU STARTED 2451
ADDRESSING SIX MONTHS AGO? 2452
JP: IT’S NOT NECESSARILY THAT SHE HAS TO ASKS SHE JUST WANTS ME TO 2453
FIGURE OUT YOU KNOW 2454
EM: OK BUT AGAIN… 2455
JP: SOMETIMES 2456
EM: IS THIS WAS THIS A LONGEVITY PROBLEM THROUGHOUT THE 2457
RELATIONSHIP AND IT AND YOU GUYS STARTED ADDRESSING IT SIX 2458
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MONTHS OR… 2459
JP: UM… 2460
EM: IS THIS SOMETHING THAT UM HAS JUST DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST SIX 2461
MONTHS CAUSE YOU GAVE ME A SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR TIME FRAME 2462
JP: WELL 2463
EM: SO IM TRYING TO… 2464
JP: IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE STARTED SEEING A COUNSELOR I I I DON’T 2465
KNOW WHEN BUT IT’S BEEN QUIT A FEW MONTHS 2466
EM: OK SO SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR AGO YOU STARTED SEEING A COUNSELOR? 2467
JP: A IT’S NOT BEEN A YEAR WITH THE COUNSELOR 2468
EM: OK 2469
JP: UM I I HONESTLY DON’T REMEMBER HOW LONG 2470
EM: OK SO THIS HAS BEEN A RELATIONSHIP ISSUE THROUGHOUT YOUR GUY’S 2471
RELATIONSHIP AND YOUR STARTING TO ADDRESS IT YOU’VE JUST BEEN 2472
ADDRESSING RECENTLY WITH A COUNSELOR IS THAT CORRECT? 2473
JP: UM… 2474
KNOCK ON THE DOOR…………………………………………………………………………. 2475
DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 2476
CM: DO YOU NEED SOME WATER OR ANYTHING? WANT SOME WATER? 2477
JP: IM OK THANKS 2478
CM: YOU’RE GOOD OK HEY CAN I TALK TO YOU FOR MINUTE? 2479
EM: JUST ONE SECOND. 2480
JP: OK 2481
DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 2482
DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 2483
CM: HEY HOW ARE YOU DOING? 2484
JP: OK (INAUDIBLE) 2485
CM: IM DETECTIVE MARTELL… 2486
DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 2487
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CM: HE A HE HAD TO GO MAKE A PHONE CALL REAL QUICK HE HAD A 2488
SOMEBODY ON THE PHONE 2489
JP: OK 2490
CM: SO JUST…. 2491
JP: IM ACTUALLY THINKIN IM GONNA HAVE TO WRAP IT UP HERE PRETTY 2492
QUICK CAUSE… 2493
CM: OK 2494
JP: IM FEELING PRETTY 2495
CM: ALRIGHT WELL… 2496
JP: PRETTY SICK AT THIS POINT. 2497
CM: HERES HERES HERES WHAT WERE TRYING TO DO JUST SO YOU KNOW 2498
WERE JUST TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT I KNOW YOUR PROBABLY KINDA A 2499
LITTLE BIT SCARED RIGHT NOW…UM 2500
JP: A LITTLE BIT 2501
CM: YEAH YOU KNOW WHAT LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING K BEING SCARED 2502
IS NORMAL EVERYBODY GETS SCARED. 2503
JP: K 2504
CM: K I MEAN I GET SCARED COMIN IN I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE 2505
COMIN IN HERE TALKING TO YOU 2506
JP: K 2507
CM: UM SO YOU KNOW JUST BASICALLY WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS RELAX IF 2508
THERES ANYTHING I CAN DO FOR YOU. I CAN GET YOU SOME WATER UM… 2509
JP: I GOT THE… 2510
CM: YOU GOT A YOU GOT A DRINK THERE? 2511
JP: UM HUH IM GONNA TAKE IT SO MY SONS CAUSE THEY THEY NEED IT 2512
MORE THEN ME 2513
CM: K K WELL TELL ME HOW YOUR FEELING RIGHT NOW JUST SEE IF I CAN 2514
HELP YOU OUT WHATS GOING ON? 2515
JP: UM 2516
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CM: I MEAN LET ME HELP YOU OUT ME K SERIOUSLY 2517
JP: UM HONESTLY KINDA CONFUSED AND DISTRACTED AND PR…PRETTY 2518
WORRIED. 2519
CM: YEAH WHAT YOU WORRIED ABOUT? 2520
JP: I JUST DON’T THINK SHE’LL I (INAUDIBLE) UM IM JUST WORRIED ABOUT 2521
WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE YOU KNOW AND UM NOT GETTING MORE 2522
ENCOURAGED OVER TIME. 2523
CM: RIGHT CAN (INAUDIBLE) 2524
JP: I MEAN THERES OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT OF WORRY ABOUT YOU KNOW 2525
WHAT YOU KNOW WHATS GONNA HAPPEN TO ME OR MY BOYS YOU 2526
KNOW BUT 2527
CM: RIGHT WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP YOU WITH THAT? 2528
JP: I I DON’T KNOW 2529
CM: (INAUDIBLE) 2530
JP: WILL JUST HAVE TO TAKE IT ONE ONE DAY AT A TIME 2531
CM: RIGHT WELL AND I UNDERSTAND YOU’RE A LITTLE FRUSTRATED THAT 2532
YOU’VE BEEN SITTIN HERE TALKING TO US FOR A WHILE BUT… 2533
JP: IT’S NOT FRUSTRATING ITS JUST IT’S A LITTLE BIT HARD BUT… 2534
CM: WELL AND YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS WERE WERE WERE… 2535
JP: I JUST 2536
CM: DOING EVERYTHING WERE GONNA DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO HELP 2537
YOU OUT HELP OUT YOU KNOW TRY TO FIND YOUR FIND YOUR WIFE AND 2538
WE NEED TO DO THIS ITS NOT FUN FOR US ITS NOT FUN FOR YOU BUT WE 2539
DO HAVE TO DO THIS AND I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU JUST FEEL LIKE… 2540
JP: I AM 2541
CM: YOU’VE BEEN SITTIN HERE TALKING TO US FOR A LITTLE BUT A YOU’RE 2542
THE ONLY ONE THAT’S GONNA BE ABLE TO HELP US 2543
JP: WELL I JUST REALLY CONCERNED WHEN THERE SITTING THERE MAKING 2544
LIGHT OF LIKE THIS AND IM GOING 2545
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CM: YEAH 2546
JP: THAT’S STARTIN TO GET A LITTLE BIT… 2547
CM: RIGHT 2548
JP: SCARY YOU KNOW AND ALSO THE FACT THEY MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT 2549
THE CELL PHONE WHICH I DIDN’T EVEN I HAD FORGOTTEN THAT I HAD IT 2550
ALL 2551
CM: RIGHT WELL AGAIN WERE JUST DOIN OUR JOB YOU KNOW AND ITS JUST 2552
THERES GONNA BE QUESTIONS THAT ARE GONNA MAKE YOU 2553
UNCOMFORTABLE THERES GONNA BE QUESTIONS THAT YOU PROBABLY 2554
UNDERSTAND WHY WERE ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS SO YOU NEED TO 2555
UNDERSTAND AND PUT YOURSELF IN OUR IN OUR PLACE. 2556
JP: IM IM IM TRYIN TO DO THAT… 2557
CM: YOU KNOW AND I KNOW ITS KINDA TOUGH FOR YOU TO PUT YOURSELF IN 2558
OUR SPOT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU’RE YOUR MINDS GOING 2559
PRO…PROBABLY GOIN ALOTS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND RIGHT NOW… 2560
JP: YEAH AND I… 2561
CM: AND TRYIN TO FIGURE OUT WHATS GOING ON BUT UM JUST BE PATIENT 2562
WITH US OK? 2563
JP: I MEAN IM IM TRYIN YOU KNOW IM JUST TRYIN TO TAKE IT ONE DAY ONE 2564
MINUTE AT TIME I GUESS. 2565
CM: RIGHT UM… 2566
JP: ARE YOU A GRIEF COUNSELOR OR SOMETHING? 2567
CM: IM A DETECTIVE FOR WEST VALLEY I AM YOU KNOW ITS JUST A COME IN 2568
HERE JUST TO SAY HI WHY HE’S ON THE PHONE SO YOUR NOT HERE BY 2569
YOURSELF WONDERING WHATS GOIN ON. 2570
JP: WELL I APPRECIATE IT CAUSE EVERYTIME I SIT IN HERE BY MYSELF I JUST 2571
WANT TO LEAVE. 2572
CM: YEAH I DON’T WANT YOU TO DO THAT CAUSE WE GOTTA GET YOU KNOW 2573
FIGURE OUT WE CAN HELP YOU YOU KNOW. BUT THAT’S ALL IM DOING IS 2574
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JUST COMIN…. 2575
JP: OH I KNOW ITS 2576
CM: SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN MARRIED FOR? 2577
JP: UM I DON’T KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS 2001 APRIL OR YEAH 2001. 2578
CM: (MUMBLING) IS THIS THE FIRST TIME YOU BEEN MARRIED NEVER BEEN 2579
MARRIED BEFORE? 2580
JP: I THINK IT WAS 2001 YOU KNOW FOR SOME REASON 2000 IS STUCK IN MY 2581
HEAD TO… 2582
CM: UM HUH 2583
JP: AND… 2584
CM: YOU CAN’T REMEMBER? 2585
JP: ALL THESE LITTLE A I NORMALLY CAN BUT I CAN NORMALLY REMEMBER 2586
MY BOYS BIRTHDAYS TO BUT YOU KNOW I CAN’T EVEN REMEMBER WHY 2587
IM WALKING INTO A ROOM I HAVE TO WALK IN THERE. 2588
CM: YEAH 2589
JP: SEVERAL TIMES AND THEN WALK BACK OUT LIKE I WAS TRYIN TO FIX 2590
THAT WINDOW WITH A PIECE OF CARDBOARD AND I COULD…I KEPT 2591
MEASURING IT AND I COULDN’T REMEMBER THE MEASUREMENT… 2592
CM: WHAT… 2593
JP: LIKE SIX TIMES 2594
CM: WHAT WINDOWS THIS? 2595
JP: THE BUSTED A WINDOW IN MY HOUSE 2596
CM: OH THEY DID WHO DID? 2597
JP: I DON’T KNOW I GUESS IT WAS A (INAUDIBLE) DETECTIVE UM 2598
CM: OH THEY DID? 2599
JP: WHAT WHATS HIS NAME? 2600
CM: A OH… 2601
JP: MAXWELL 2602
CM: MAXWELL UM HUH 2603
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JP: IM TRYIN TO YEAH THEY BROKE AWINDOW UM APARENTLY (INAUDIBLE) 2604
CM: SEE I DON’T KNOW I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS CASE IM JUST 2605
HERE TO JUST KINDA KEEP YOU COMPANY… 2606
JP: WELL THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT IF WE WERE IN THERE SUPPOSEDLY IF 2607
WE WERE IN THERE SUFFOCATING 2608
CM: OH REALLY 2609
JP: SO THEY WANTED TO BREAK A WINDOW AND FIND OUT YOU KNOW SO 2610
THEY WENT IN THEY DID WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO DO I GUESS 2611
CM: RIGHT 2612
JP: UM I I WAS TOLD THAT THEY WENT THROUGH SOME THINGS I DON’T 2613
KNOW WHAT ALL THEY WENT THROUHG UM I I ASSUME THEY WENT 2614
THROUGH THE WHOLE HOUSE 2615
CM: K I I WASN’T AWARE OF THAT SO…SO DO YOU WANT ME TO SEE IF HE’S 2616
DONE? IF YOU WANT TO JUST WAIT HERE ILL HURRY AND WELL LIKE I SAY 2617
HE JUST HAS TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A COUPLE LITTLE THINGS MORE 2618
AND WILL BE A WILL BE DONE HERE I WOULD IMAGINE I DON’T KNOW I 2619
HAVE TO TALK TO HIM FIND OUT WHAT HE’S DOING… 2620
JP: YEAH IM IM ACTUALLY STARTING TO FEEL PRETTY SICK SO IM… 2621
CM: DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE BATHROOM? 2622
JP: NO 2623
CM: AND USE THE RESTROOM OR ANYTHING? K LET ME GO TELL HIM THAT 2624
HOW YOUR FEELING OK ILL BE RIGHT BACK. 2625
JP: OK 2626
DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES……………………………………………………………………. 2627
DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 2628
EM: WHERE DID MY BUDDY GO? 2629
DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 2630
JP: OH HE LEFT 2631
EM: YOU ALRIGHT? 2632
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JP: UM YEAH 2633
EM: OK 2634
JP: IVE JUST BEEN FEELING SICK SO I THINK… 2635
EM: OH 2636
JP: I WANNA LEAVE HERE. 2637
EM: GET SOME MEDICINE 2638
JP: UM WELL YEAH I MEAN THAT WOULDN’T BE BAD 2639
EM: UM K…WELL YEAH IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE YOU CAN LEAVE I JUST UM… 2640
JP: WELL I MEAN I JUST AM TRYIN TO TOUGH IT OUT YOU KNOW? 2641
EM: YEAH I KNOW YOU KNOW I UNDERSTAND JOSH I UNDERSTAND THIS IS 2642
VERY DIFFICULT AND YOU KNOW WHAT JOSH… 2643
JP: YEAH 2644
EM: ITS I I UNDERSTAND THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR YOU…OK I I I I MEAN I 2645
HAVENT BEEN IN YOUR POSITION BEFORE WHERE I I LEFT AND I CAME 2646
HOME AND MY WIFE WAS GONE OK? 2647
JP: RIGHT 2648
EM: I IVE NEVER BEEN THERE 2649
JP: YEAH 2650
EM: BUT IVE BEEN ON THIS END OF IT YOU KNOW? AND IVE EXPERIENCED A 2651
LOT OF DIFFERENT CASES AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE INVOLVED IN 2652
DIFFERENT SITUATIONS AND AND YOUR EXPERIENCE JUST A RANGE OF 2653
DIFFERENT EMOTIONS OK? 2654
JP: YEAH 2655
EM: AND ITS ITS IS WHAT I WANTED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU IS ITS DIFFICULT FOR 2656
ME BECAUSE I JUST IM TRYING TO HELP UM YOU KNOW WHOEVER IT IS 2657
THAT IM IM TRYING TO HELP AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IM TRYING 2658
HELP SUSAN 2659
JP: YEAH 2660
EM: IM TRYING TO HELP YOU AND YOU KNOW CAUSE WE NEED TO FIND HER. 2661
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JP: OK 2662
EM: YOU KNOW WHAT IM SAYING 2663
JP: YEAH I KNOW 2664
EM: AND I MEAN I WISH I COULD SIT HERE AND CRY WITH YOU AND I HAVE TO 2665
CONTROL MY EMOTIONS 2666
JP: IM TRYIN (INAUDIBLE) 2667
EM: AND… 2668
JP: I KNOW IT’S… 2669
EM: YOU KNOW WHAT IM SAYING? 2670
JP: YEAH…IF I KNOW…. 2671
EM: AND YOU KNOW I I MEAN IF YOU WANT TO TAKE OFF YOU CAN TAKE OFF. 2672
IM NOT YOU KNOW I… 2673
JP: I I DON’T EXPECT YOU GUYS TO CRY WITH ME… 2674
EM: YOU KNOW AND I JUST 2675
JP: THAT’S THAT’S WHAT FAMILY IS FOR 2676
EM: OK ALRIGHT UM YOU KNOW I JUST WANT A I WAS KIND OF HOPING THAT 2677
TODAY WE COULD GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND COME UP WITH SOME 2678
MORE IDEAS AS TO WHERE TO LOOK YOU KNOW WHAT IM SAYING? 2679
YOU’VE I MEAN I TALKED TO YOU LAST NIGHT AND WE REALLY DIDN’T 2680
CO…WE DIDN T WE CAME UP WITH ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO LOOK FOR 2681
TO LOOK TO LOOK WHERE TO LOOK FOR HER OTHER THEN PEOPLE THAT 2682
YOU KNOW IVE ALREADY SPOKEN TO AND I WAS HOPING THAT WITH YOU 2683
BEING HOME AND YOU YOU KNOW GETTING A LITTLE TINY BIT OF REST 2684
AND A COMIN BACK TODAY… 2685
JP: YEAH I GOT (INAUDIBLE) 2686
EM: WOULD BE ABLE TO OFFER YOU KNOW ME AND THIS DEPARTMENT AND 2687
AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE TO TRY TO FIND 2688
OUT WHERE TO LOOK FOR HER. OK AND WE HAVENT GOTTEN THERE 2689
TODAY… 2690
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JP: I JUST… 2691
EM: YOU KNOW I TRY TO COME IN AND TALK WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 2692
WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOUR ABOUT AND WHAT SUSAN IS AND WHAT 2693
SHES ABOUT AND WHAT SHE LIKES AND YOURS GUY’S RELATIONSHIP 2694
AND UM HER FRIENDS AND YOU KNOW HER ENEMIES AND HER WORK 2695
AND YOUR WORK TRYIN… 2696
JP: LIKE IM SAID SHE FILES COMPLAINTS AGAINST PEOPLE IF THERES A 2697
PROBLEM. 2698
EM: YEAH 2699
JP: LIKE A DOG A CAT OR A… 2700
EM: OK 2701
JP: WHATEVER IT IS BUT I DON’T THINK THAT THERE…. 2702
EM: YEAH 2703
JP: THERE NOT EVEN SUPPOSE TO KNOW WHO COMPLAINED YOU KNOW… 2704
EM: WAS SHE INTO DRUGS AT ALL? ILLICIT DRUGS… 2705
JP: IVE NEVER… 2706
EM: COCAINE, MARIJUANA STUFF LIKE THAT…. 2707
JP: IVE IVE NEVER KNOWN HER TO DO ANYTHING… 2708
EM: I WOULDN’T THINK SO EITHER BUT YOU KNOW THAT’S JUST ONE OF THE 2709
QUESTIONS THAT I DIDN’T ASK YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 2710
JP: YEAH AND I… 2711
EM: I MEAN IM JUST TRYING TO… 2712
JP: IVE NEVER NOTICED ANYTHING OUT OF THE USUAL. 2713
EM: OK WHAT UM A I MEAN LIKE I SAID WE HAVENT A WE HAVENT REALLY 2714
GOTTEN ANYWHERE WILL A… 2715
JP: WELL I KNOW… 2716
EM: WITH LOCATIONS TO CHECK AND STUFF WHAT A WHAT DO YOU WHAT 2717
HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF? 2718
JP: I JUST CAN’T THINK OF ANYWHERE SHE WOULD GO IN THE MORNING… 2719
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EM: OTHER THEN TO WORK? 2720
JP: YEAH I MEAN 2721
EM: OK WHO SHOULD I BE LOOKING AT? DO YOU THINK SOMEBODY I MEAN IS 2722
THERE SOMEBODY I NEED TO LOOK AT MAYBE UM I MEAN WHAT WHAT 2723
DO YOU… 2724
JP: I JUST I DON’T THINK SHE HAS ENEMIES 2725
EM: LET’S LET’S DO THIS…YEAH 2726
JP: YOU KNOW… 2727
EM: LETS HOW BOUT THIS QUESTION…UM YOU’VE HAD A SIGNIFICANT 2728
AMOUNT TIME TO SIT AND THINK ABOUT THIS RIGHT? I MEAN WHEN DID 2729
WE SEE EACH OTHER YESTERDAY ABOUT SIX O’CLOCK? 2730
JP: UM HUH YEAH 2731
EM: UM AND ITS YOU KNOW IN THE AFTERNOON NOW? 2732
JP: YEAH 2733
EM: WHAT WHATS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO 2734
YOU THINK? WHAT HAS CROSSED YOUR MIND? WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS 2735
HAPPENED TO HER? I NEED YOU TO TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK HAS 2736
HAPPENED TO HER? 2737
JP: I DON’T THINK SHE WOULD LEAVE ON HER OWN. 2738
EM: OK THAT’S A START YOU DON’T THINK SHE WOULD LEAVE ON HER OWN. 2739
WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS HAPPENED? 2740
JP: I JUST DON’T KNOW I MEAN YOU KNOW YOU CAN SIT AND SPECULATE 2741
BUT I DON’T HAVE ANY CLUE… 2742
EM: OK WHAT DO YOU THINK IM SPECULATING? 2743
JP I I DON’T KNOW… 2744
EM: WELL SOMETHING MUST HAVE CROSSED YOUR MIND FOR YOU TO SAY 2745
THAT TO ME. 2746
JP: WELL YOU GUYS YOU KNOW I MEAN IT’S A FACT YOU KNOW THE CLOSEST 2747
PEOPLE TO A PERSON IS ALWAYS THE TOP SUSPECTS SO… 2748
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EM: OK THERE NOT SUSPECTS I MEAN YOU HAVE TO I MEAN THERE HAS TO BE 2749
SOME TYPE OF INVOLVEMENT TO BE SUSPECT I MEAN A MAYBE I MEAN 2750
SO IT’S NOT ALWAYS LIKE THAT BUT WE GOTTA START IF IF YOU WERE 2751
ON MY SIDE OK LETS LET’S DO THIS REAL QUICK… 2752
JP: K 2753
EM: IF YOUR SITTIN WHERE I AM AND IM SITTIN WHERE YOU ARE… 2754
JP: OK 2755
EM: OK AND MY WIFE IS MISSING OK 2756
JP: YEAH 2757
EM: WHO IS THE VERY FIRST PERSON AND WHO IS TO THAT PERSON GONNA BE 2758
THAT YOUR GONNA SPEND THE MOST TIME WITH TRYING TO GET AS 2759
MUCH INFORMATION FROM? 2760
JP: PROBABLY THE CLOSEST ONES. 2761
EM: THE CLOSEST ONES TO THEM? 2762
JP: YEAH 2763
EM: OK AND IF IM MARRIED WHO WOULD BE THE CLOSEST… 2764
JP: YEAH I 2765
EM: ONE TO ME? 2766
JP: IM IM PROBABLY THE CLOSEST ONE… 2767
EM: WOULD IT BE THE SPOUSE OR WOULD IT BE THE PARENTS? 2768
JP: I WOULD GO THE SPOUSE… 2769
EM: OK ALRIGHT CAUSE IM GUESSIN YOU DON’T SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME 2770
WITH HER MOM RIGHT? AND WOULD YOU IF YOU LIVED NEXT DOOR TO 2771
THEM? 2772
JP: YEAH YEAH WE WOULD ACTUALLY 2773
EM: OK 2774
JP: I MEAN SHES KIND KIND OF HARD TO DEAL WITH BUT… 2775
EM: WHO DO YOU SPEND MORE TIME WITH? 2776
JP: SHES SHES OK YOU KNOW BUT UM… 2777
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EM: YEAH NO I KNOW I KNOW BUT… 2778
JP: BUT YOU KNOW IT’S… 2779
EM: WHO WOULD YOU SPEND MORE TIME WITH YOUR WIFE OR YOUR MOM? 2780
YOUR MOM LIVES HERE… 2781
JP: HMMM…MY WIFE 2782
EM: YOUR WIFE…OK HOW BOUT YOUR SISTER OR YOUR WIFE? 2783
JP: OH IT’S THE SAME SAME SAME 2784
EM: OK SO 2785
JP: I MEAN 2786
EM: SO I DON’T WANT YOU… 2787
JP: I DON’T I DON’T HAVE ANY FRIENDS THAT I WOULD SPEND MORE TIME 2788
WITH OR ANYTHING. 2789
EM: OK 2790
JP: I MEAN WORK MAYBE BUT HEY THAT’S WORK YOU KNOW… 2791
EM: (INAUDIBLE) 2792
JP: (INAUDIBLE) 2793
EM: OK HAVE I TOLD YOU THAT YOU’RE A SUSPECT? 2794
JP: WELL I JUST FELT LIKE THAT A FEW TIMES. 2795
EM: HAS IT FELT LIKE THAT A FEW WHAT WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHATS WHATS 2796
MADE YOU FEEL LIKE THAT? 2797
JP: ITS (INAUDIBLE) WHEN YOU KEEP YOU KNOW YOUR TELLING ME THAT 2798
THIS… 2799
EM: I TOOK PHOTOS (INAUDIBLE) PHOTOS OF YOUR HANDS ONE TIME. 2800
JP: WELL I THOUGHT YOU WERE IMPLYING YOU’RE YOUR SAYING YOU KNOW 2801
YOU REALLY MADE A BIG DEAL OUT OF THIS… 2802
EM: BY ASKING YOU WHERE YOU GOT A NICK ON YOUR HAND? 2803
JP: I THOUGHT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY I GOT SOME KIND OF DEFENSIVE 2804
WOUNDS YOU KNOW 2805
EM: I NEVER SAID THAT THOUGH DID I? 2806
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JP: IT SEEMED IMPLIED. 2807
EM OK BUT ALL I DID WAS INQUIRED ABOUT A NICK ON YOUR HAND AND 2808
(INAUDIBLE) KINDA GET UM YOU KNOW I MEAN YOU’VE BEEN WORRIED 2809
ABOUT THAT EVER SINCE WE GOT HERE TODAY YOU WANT ME TO TAKE 2810
PHOTOS AGAIN OF YOUR HANDS? 2811
JP: I KINDA DO. 2812
EM: OK WELL… 2813
JP: CAUSE 2814
EM: A WHAT DOES (INAUDIBLE) 2815
JP: I WANT TO HAVE BOTH PHOTOS AVAILABLE YOU KNOW? 2816
EM: WELL WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU I MEAN I HAVENT CAME IN HERE WITH A 2817
CAMERA I HAVENT EVEN WORRIED ABOUT YOUR HANDS BUT YOUR STILL 2818
WORRYING ABOUT. 2819
JP: WELL I JUST WANT MY SECOND PHOTOS YOU KNOW BECAUSE I WAS JUST 2820
TO PROVE THAT THERE THEY DO IT ON THERE OWN. 2821
EM: WELL AND THAT’S… 2822
JP: I MEAN THIS STUFF YOU KNOW SOME OF THESE IF I DON’T TAKE CARE OF 2823
IT FAST ENOUGH. 2824
EM: YEAH 2825
JP: IT JUST GETS WORSE AND WORSE… 2826
EM: AND I UNDERSTAND 2827
JP: AND THEN CHUNKS FALL OUT… 2828
EM: YEAH I UNDERSTAND THAT… 2829
JP: IM AMAZED THAT THIS ONE… 2830
EM: MY BROTHER GETS REALLY DI…REALLY DRY SKIN AS WELL SO I I 2831
UNDERSTAND… 2832
JP: THAT’S A THAT’S A CHUNK A VERY SMALL CHUNK THERES TWO…I MEAN 2833
I DON’T FEEL EM YOU KNOW? 2834
EM: RIGHT 2835
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JP: I MEAN I DO IF I IM SURE I WOULD IF I POURED ALCOHOL ON THEM BUT… 2836
EM: YEAH 2837
JP: I DON’T FEEL EM SO I DON’T KNOW WHEN THERE COMING… 2838
EM: OK UM 2839
JP: AND LIKE I SAY IVE ONLY BEEN LOOKIN AT IT IN THE LAST DAY 2840
EM: YEAH 2841
JP: AND ACTUALLY PAYING ATTENTION 2842
EM: WHO SHOULD I LOOK AT AS A SUSPECT? 2843
JP: I DON’T I CAN’T THINK OF ANYONE WHO’S… 2844
EM: YOU CANT THINK OF ANYONE? 2845
JP: MAD AT HER? 2846
EM: WHO SHOULD I LOOK AT AS A PERSON OF INTEREST? WHO SHOULD I 2847
START TALKING TO JUST AS MUCH AS IVE BEEN TALKING TO YOU? WHO 2848
SHOULD I TALK TO THAT MUCH? CAUSE YOUR SAYIN THAT YOU KNOW 2849
YOUR CONCERNED BECAUSE WEVE BEEN TALKING TO YOU FOR SO LONG 2850
UM… 2851
JP: NO THAT’S NOT MY CONCERNS 2852
EM: BUT I MEAN OH OK 2853
JP: IT’S ONLY… 2854
EM: CAUSE MY PERCEPTION IS IM TRYIN TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS I 2855
CAN GET AND YOU KNOW I GET UP I LEAVE I GO OUT AND I SHARE 2856
INFORMATION IF THERES ANY NEW INFORMATION OK HE STATES THAT 2857
SHE WORKS HERE THER…YOU KNOW LETS GET AHOLD OF LINDA LETS 2858
SEE IF LINDA MAY HAVE HEARD FROM HER YOU KNOW WHAT IM SAYIN I 2859
MEAN WHAT A ARE YOU CONCERNED AS FAR…I WHAT WHATS YOUR 2860
THOUGHTS ON WHAT WERE DOING TO FIND HER? YOU HAVENT EVEN 2861
INQUIRED AS TO WHAT… 2862
JP: I (INAUDIBLE) WHAT YOU WOULD DO EXCEPT I A I I (INAUDIBLE)…. 2863
EM: WE HAVE WHAT WERE DOING 2864
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JP: I KNOW THAT YOU ALREADY TOLD ME THAT YOU CHECKED THE 2865
HOSPITALS. 2866
EM: UM HUH 2867
JP: AND YOU’VE TALK TO EVERYONE WE KNOW AND WHAT ELSE DO YOU 2868
DO? 2869
EM: WELL I MEAN I DON’T KNOW THAT WE’VE TALKED TO EVERYBODY UM I 2870
MEAN THAT’S WHY YOU KNOW WERE TALKING AGAIN NOW JUST TO SEE 2871
IF THERES ANY OTHER NAMES AND… 2872
JP: AND I OCCASSIONALLY THINK OF A NEW NAME BUT 2873
EM: OK 2874
JP: I PROB…I COULD THINK OF MORE. 2875
EM: OK HOW BOUT A THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE IN THE 2876
CIRCLE IN THE NEIGHBOR… 2877
JP: UM (INAUDIBLE)… 2878
EM: (INAUDIBLE) THAT THAT ARE CONCERNS OR OR PEOPLE THAT WE SHOULD 2879
CONCERNED ABOUT? 2880
JP: NO NO NO SUSPECTS 2881
EM: OK ALRIGHT 2882
JP: THERE THE I THINK WERE FRIENDS WITH EVERYONE IN THE 2883
NEIGHBORHOOD 2884
EM: OK AND OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW NOBODY BROKE INTO THE HOUSE. 2885
JP: WELL THE WINDOW WAS BROKEN OUT IM JUST KIDDING. 2886
EM: BESIDES THE COPS TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE ALRIGHT AND YOUR 2887
FAMILY. 2888
JP: YEAH 2889
EM: RIGHT BUT AS FAR AS ANYBODY ELSE GOING IN AND BREAKING IN THERE 2890
AND GR…STEALING ANYTHING OR A… 2891
JP: I DIDN’T SEE ANYTHING STOLEN 2892
EM: CREATING YEAH OR OR CAUSING A MESS IF THERE WAS A FIGHT OR A 2893
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DISTURBANCE THERE WAS NOTHING RIGHT? I MEAN WE WALKED 2894
THROUGH THE HOUSE. UM I DIDN’T WALK THROUGH WITH YOU 2895
SERGEANT BOBROWSKI DID WAS THERE UM YOU DON’T I THINK BOTH OF 2896
YOU SAID THERE WAS NOTHING OUT OF PLACE NOTHING MISSING RIGHT? 2897
JP: I MEAN YEAH NOTHING 2898
EM: OK 2899
JP: NOTHING SIGNIFICANT WAS MISSING 2900
EM: OK UM AND THERES NOBODY OF CONCERN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. HOW 2901
BOUT AT HER WORK PLACE? IS WOULD THERE BE ANYBODY AT HER 2902
WORK PLACE THAT THAT SHES HAD PROBLEMS WITH? 2903
JP: UM THERES A DUDE SHE HATES. 2904
EM: OK WHATS HIS NAME? 2905
JP: SHE…I DON’T KNOW 2906
EM: OH ALRIGHT 2907
JP: UM… 2908
EM: WHAT HAS SHE SAID ABOUT THIS PERSON TO YOU? 2909
JP: HES ANNOYING 2910
EM: YEAH 2911
JP: AND THAT HES A I DON’T REMEMBER EVERYTHING THAT SHE SAID ABOUT 2912
EM: OK ALRIGHT HOW BOUT IN CHURCH… 2913
JP: UM… 2914
EM: IS THERE ANYBODY IN CHURCH THAT SHES HAD PROBLEMS WITH? 2915
JP: A…I DON’T THINK SO… 2916
EM: YOU DON’T THINK SO? 2917
JP: I CAN’T THINK OF ANYONE 2918
EM: ALRIGHT 2919
JP: I MEAN SHE JUST THINKS THE GUYS ANNOYING BECAUSE HES ARROGANT 2920
AND STUFF YOU KNOW? 2921
EM: RIGHT 2922
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JP: SO ITS I JUST DON’T THINK ITS. SHES NEVER SAID THAT HES DONE 2923
ANYTHING MEAN TO HER EXCEPT DISREGARD HER FEELINGS YOU KNOW? 2924
EM: UM HUH UM HUH OK UM…ALRIGHT IS THERE UM HOW HOW I MEAN YOU 2925
KNOW YOU HOW WILLING ARE YOU TO HELP US WITH THIS 2926
INVESTIGATION AND TO FIND HER? 2927
JP: WELL I IM WILLING TO DO WHATEVER I CAN THINK OF 2928
EM: OK WILLING TO DO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO HELP US? 2929
JP: WHAT WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN MIND? 2930
EM: WELL I HAVE A COUPLE OF IDEAS A COUPLE OF THINGS I MEAN 2931
OBVIOUSLY SHES MISSING DO YOU THINK DO YOU THINK HER HER UM DO 2932
YOU THINK SHES AT RIST OF ANY HARM? DO YOU THINK SHE HER HER 2933
SAFETY’S AT RISK I MEAN DO YOU THINK HER WELL BEING… 2934
JP: I JUST 2935
EM: I MEAN WHAT DO YOU THINK HER WELL BEING IS RIGHT NOW? 2936
JP: IM GOING TO THINK POSSIBLY NOT GOOD 2937
EM: OK ALRIGHT WHAT WOULD LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE THAT? 2938
JP: SHE JUST DOESN’T LEAVE 2939
EM: SHE DOESN’T EVER LEAVE? SHES NEVER THE KIDS. SHES NEVER LEFT 2940
YOU? SHES NEVER NOT SHOWN UP AT WORK? 2941
JP: NO 2942
EM: OK AND… 2943
JP: SHES CALL…SHE’LL CALL IN IF SHES NOT SHOWIN UP AND… 2944
EM: RIGHT 2945
JP: SHE DIDN’T CALL IN THE MORNING OF IF SHE HAS TO YOU KNOW? 2946
EM: OK AND SHE HASN’T CALLED ANYBODY? THAT WE ARE AWARE OF RIGHT? 2947
JP: I I DON’T KNOW OF ANYONE SHE CALLED 2948
EM: OK ALRIGHT UM AND THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE OUTSIDE OF THAT 2949
THINK WITH ME JOSH OUTSIDE OF THAT WHERE DO WE HAVE TO GO TO 2950
LOOK FOR HER TO GET ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? ANY 2951
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ADDITIONAL LEADS TO FOLLOW UP ON? 2952
JP: I JUST DON’T KNOW 2953
EM: OK ALRIGHT UM I REALLY REALLY NEED YOUR HELP OK? 2954
JP: K 2955
EM: I REALLY DO ALRIGHT JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED MY HELP ALRIGHT? 2956
AND YOU KNOW WE NEED TO TO DO THIS TOGETHER 2957
JP: K 2958
EM: DON’T WE? 2959
JP: YEAH I THINK SO 2960
EM: I THINK SO TO AND WE NEED TO TO UM GET SOME CLOSURE AND FIND 2961
OUT WHERE SHES AT ALRIGHT? UM YOU DO NOT KNOW WHERE SHES AT? 2962
JP: UH HUH 2963
EM: OK UM THERES A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO DO 2964
JP: OK 2965
EM: ALRIGHT AND THIS WILL HELP US BOTH ALRIGHT? 2966
JP: ALRIGHT 2967
EM: UM AND THIS KINDA GOES BACK TO WHAT I ASKED YOU JUST A FEW 2968
MINUTES AGO ABOUT HOW WILLING YOU ARE TO HELP US. OK? UM DO YOU 2969
CONSIDER YOURSELF A SUSPECT? 2970
JP: NO BUT… 2971
EM: K 2972
JP: YOU KNOW 2973
EM: NO THAT’S NO THAT’S IT YOU DON’T NEED TO ELABORATE YOU DON’T 2974
CONSIDER YOURSELF A SUSPECT YOU SAY THAT RIGHT? 2975
JP: WELL I DON’T I MEAN THE FACTS WILL SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES SO I 2976
DON’T THINK 2977
EM: THANK YOU EXACTLY AND YOUR RIGHT I MEAN THERE HAS TO BE FACTS 2978
THERE HAS TO BE EVIDENCE CORRECT?R 2979
JP: (MUMBLING) 2980
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EM: K I CAN’T JUST TAKE ANYBODY AND CHARGE THEM FOR ANYTHING AND 2981
GET AWAY WITH IT. 2982
JP: OK 2983
EM: RIGHT? 2984
JP: RIGHT 2985
EM: IM NOT GONNA HAVE SUPERVISORS SIGN OFF ON SOMETHING WITHOUT IT 2986
BEING… 2987
JP: RIGHT 2988
EM: CHECKS AND BALANCES COURTS ALL THAT STUFF RIGHT? 2989
JP: RIGHT 2990
EM: OK SO UM SO GOING BACK TO THAT YOU DON’T CONSIDER YOURSELF A 2991
SUSPECT UM AND UM AND WE NEED TO GET THIS FIGURED OUT I HAVE 2992
OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I WANT 2993
TO ASK YOU OK? 2994
JP: OK 2995
EM: UM AND IN ORDER FOR ME TO ASK YOU THESE QUESTIONS AND THEN ASK 2996
YOU TO DO SOMETHING ELSE I HAVE TO READ YOU YOUR MIRANDA 2997
RIGHTS? 2998
JP: WHY 2999
EM: OK? THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE IT’S A… 3000
JP: WHAT WHAT DOES THIS MEAN READ ME MY? 3001
EM: K LET LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU. 3002
JP: IM NOT SURE WHAT YOUR GETTING AT… 3003
EM: OK LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU OK UM READING YOU MIRANDA RIGHTS DO 3004
YOU KNOW WHAT MIRANDA IS? 3005
JP: UM I MEAN YEAH ITS HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT AND ALL THAT. 3006
EM: OK ALRIGHT IF YOUR BEING READ MIRANDA WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO 3007
YOU? 3008
JP: THAT YOUR BEING ACCUSED 3009
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EM: OK I DON’T KNOW ACCUSED IS A HARSH WORD UM KIND OF A NEGATIVE 3010
WORD ISNT IT? 3011
JP: ITS I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ELSE 3012
EM: OK YEAH UM WELL AS FAR AS MIRANDA OK IN ORDER FOR ME TO UM UM 3013
ASK YOU SOME MORE QUESTIONS AND AND ASK YOU TO DO THIS OTHER 3014
THING FOR ME I NEED TO READ YOU YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS OK? 3015
JP: AND I DON’T… 3016
EM: AND WELL LISTEN 3017
JP: I DON’T KNOW IF IM… 3018
EM: IM NOT LOOK IM NOT GONNA TAKE YOU TO JAIL IM NOT ARRESTING YOU 3019
OK? IM NOT ARRESTING YOU IM NOT TAKING YOU TO JAIL RIGHT? 3020
JP: K 3021
EM: ALRIGHT? SO I MEAN I HAVE QUESTIONS I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 3022
UM UM UM I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE CELL PHONE OK? AND WE 3023
KINDA CHIT CHATTED ABOUT THAT LAST BUT I REALLY NEVER GOT A 3024
CLEAR ANSWER FROM YOU AS TO WHY YOU HAD THE C…. 3025
JP: WELL I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT I WAS ASKING HER FOR A PHONE 3026
NUMBER… 3027
EM: OK 3028
JP: AND SHE SAID GO GET IT YOURSELF 3029
EM: OK 3030
JP: ON HER PHONE 3031
EM: ALRIGHT 3032
JP: AND I JUST DID…EVENTUALLY PUT THINGS IN POCKETS YOU KNOW 3033
AND… 3034
EM: ALRIGHT 3035
JP: AND ONCE I REALIZED IT WAS THERE I WASN’T HOME SO… 3036
EM: OK WELL LIKE I SAID 3037
JP: I DISTINCTIVELY JUST PUT IT IN THE TRAY BUT I DON’T EVEN THINK 3038
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ABOUT I MEAN WHEN IM A WHEN IM CAMPING.. 3039
EM: OK 3040
JP: OR OUT THERE WHERE IM NOT GONNA NEED IT… 3041
EM: ALRIGHT 3042
JP: ILL TAKE OUT EVERYTHING FROM MY POCKETS JUST SO IT ISNT GONNA 3043
FALL 3044
EM: OK 3045
JP: AND GET LOST YOU KNOW 3046
EM: UM I WANNA I WANNA TALK TO YOU 3047
JP: AND THAT INCLUDES WALLETS 3048
EM: OK ALRIGHT 3049
JP: EVERYTHING 3050
EM: OK YOUR NOT UNDER ARREST YOUR NOT GOING TO JAIL OK? 3051
JP: OK 3052
EM: IM NOT GONNA CUFF YOU UP ALRIGHT AND LIKE I SAID AGAIN YOUR NOT 3053
UNDER ARREST YOU CAME HERE ON YOUR FREE WILL YOU CAN LEAVE AT 3054
ANYTIME YOU ALREADY KNEW THAT YOU STILL KNOW THAT RIGHT? 3055
ALTHOUGH I WANT TO ASK YOU MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND UM AND 3056
I WANT TO SEE IF IF YOU SAY THAT YOUR WILLING TO HELP US OUT THEN 3057
WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? WE NEED TO ELIMINATE YOU AS BEING A 3058
PERSON OF INTEREST THERES NOBODY ELSE OUT THERE FOR ME TO GO 3059
AND TALK TO AND TO CLARIFY SO I NEED TO CLARIFY YOUR STORY I 3060
NEED TO VERIFY STORY. 3061
JP: I GUESS… 3062
EM: RIGHT? 3063
JP: I GUESS AT THAT POINT THEN I NEED TO… 3064
EM: SO I NEED TO VERIFY 3065
JP: I PROBABLY NEED TO CONSIDER A LAWYER… 3066
EM: SO I NEED TO VERI…OK WELL AND IF THAT’S THE CASE THEN THAT JUST 3067
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IS GONNA PROLONG THE UM WELL WHATEVER IM IM JUST WHAT IM 3068
GONNA DO IS IM GONNA READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS OK? 3069
JP: WELL IVE TOLD YOU EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW… 3070
EM: OK ALRIGHT LISTEN IM GONNA TELL YA A COUPLE THINGS OK? 3071
JP: OK 3072
EM: UM IM GONNA READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS OK? WE HAVE YOUR HO…WE 3073
HAVE YOUR HOUSE YOUR NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO YOUR 3074
HOUSE K? 3075
JP: WHAT WHAT DO YOU MEAN IM NOT (INAUDIBLE) 3076
EM: YOUR HOUSE YOUR HOUSE IS OURS FOR RIGHT NOW WERE NOT GONNA 3077
LET YOU BACK IN TO THAT HOUSE. 3078
JP: OK 3079
EM: YOUR CAR IS OURS WERE NOT GONNA LET YOU HAVE YOUR CAR OK? WE 3080
NEED TO FIND HER RIGHT? 3081
JP: YEAH 3082
EM: ISNT THAT WHAT YOUR GOAL IS? I WOULD HOPE THAT OUR GOALS ARE 3083
THE SAME RIGHT? 3084
JP: YEAH 3085
EM: OK THE HOUSE IS OURS THE CAR IS OURS UM YOU KNOW WERE GONNA 3086
WE NEED TO FIND HER ALRIGHT? IM GONNA READ YOU YOUR MIRANDA 3087
RIGHTS IF YOU DON’T WANT… 3088
JP: HOW LONG? 3089
EM: HOW LONG? 3090
JP: HOW LONG ARE YOU GOING TO… 3091
EM: HOW HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES 3092
JP: WHAT THERE THERE SEARCHING IT OR SOMETHING? 3093
EM: HUH? 3094
JP: I I DON’T UNDERSTAND… 3095
EM: IM GONNA WRITE A SEARCH WARRANT FOR YOUR HOUSE. 3096
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JP: OK 3097
EM: IM GONNA WRITE A SEARCH WARRANT FOR YOUR HOUSE AND UM YOU 3098
KNOW MAYBE FOR YOUR CAR I DON’T KNOW I HAVENT YET DECIDED ON 3099
THE CAR AND STUFF BUT LIKE I SAID IS WHAT I WANT TO DO IS WE WE 3100
NEED TO FIND HER OK? AND IF YOUR WILLING TO HELP US OUT GREAT 3101
AND IF YOUR NOT THEN THAT’S FINE AS WELL… 3102
JP: IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SEARCH THE HOUSE… 3103
EM: OK 3104
JP: AND STUFF I I DON’T CARE 3105
EM: OK LET ME READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN 3106
SILENT ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN THE 3107
COURT OF LAW. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO A LAWYER AND HAVE HIM 3108
PRESENT WITH YOU WHILE YOUR BEING QUESTIONED IF YOU CANNOT 3109
AFFORD TO HIRE A LAWYER ONE WILL BE APPOINTED TO REPRESENT YOU 3110
BEFORE ANY QUESTIONING IF YOU WISH. YOU CAN DECIDE AT ANYTIME 3111
TO EXERCISE THESE RIGHTS AND NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE 3112
ANY STATEMENTS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THOSE RIGHTS THAT I HAVE 3113
JUST READ TO YOU AND EXPLAINED TO YOU JOSH? 3114
JP: YEAH 3115
EM: OK AND HAVING THESE RIGHTS IN MIND DO YOU WISH TO TALK FURTHER 3116
WITH ME UM IN REGARDS TO THIS INVESTIGATION? 3117
JP: WELL WHAT ABOUT MY KIDS WHERE ARE THEY AT? 3118
EM: WHERE YOU LEFT THEM…YOU LEFT THEM WITH YOUR MOM RIGHT? 3119
JP: YEAH 3120
EM: K SO I MEAN WE CAN CONTINUE ON I MEAN WE CAN GO INTO THOSE 3121
QUESTIONS I HAVE TO READ YOU THESE RIGHTS. 3122
JP: WELL I MEAN YOU GUYS CAN COME… 3123
EM: OK SO I KNOW LISTEN JOSH I HAVE TO READ YOU THESE RIGHTS… 3124
JP: IM NOT TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING SO 3125
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EM: THEN I NEED YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OK? YOU SAID THAT YOU 3126
UNDERSTAND THE RIGHTS THAT IVE EXPLAINED TO YOU 3127
JP: OK 3128
EM: YES OR NO? 3129
JP: YEAH 3130
EM: OK AND HAVING THESE RIGHTS IN MIND DO YOU WISH TO TALK TO ME 3131
NOW? WITHOUT HAVING A LAWYER PRESENT? 3132
JP: WHAT IS…I DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN GET ANYMORE SPECIFIC. 3133
EM: OK 3134
JP: YOU KNOW? 3135
EM: DO LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU OK? LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU 3136
CAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE KINDA GET MISS STEPPED ON THIS 3137
PARTICULAR A STATEMENT OK I READ YOU LET ME READ THESE 3138
THROUGH YEAH OK ON NUMBER FIVE ALRIGHT SEE THIS LITTLE CARD I 3139
HAVE? THESE ARE YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS THIS IS WHAT I JUST READ TO 3140
YOU OK? 3141
JP: OK 3142
EM: ON NUMBER FIVE IT STATES YOU CAN DECIDE AT ANYTIME TO EXERCISE 3143
THESE RIGHTS AND NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY 3144
STATEMENTS 3145
JP: OK 3146
EM: K DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? 3147
JP: OK 3148
EM: ALRIGHT UM SO WITH YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS WITH WHAT I HAVE READ 3149
TO YOU. OK? WITH THE UNDERSTANDING YOU CAN STOP TALKING AT 3150
ANYTIME LIKE I SAID IM NOT UM HANDCUFFING YOU IM NOT TAKING YOU 3151
DOWN TO JAIL ALRIGHT I JUST WANT TO UM ASK YOU SOME MORE 3152
SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND ASK YOU TO DO A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS 3153
FOR ME OK? SO IN ORDER FOR ME TO FOR US TO CONTINUE TO WORK AT 3154
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THIS AND TRY TO FIND A RESOLUTION I HAVE TO READ YOU THESE 3155
RIGHTS OK? THAT’S ALL IT IS. ALRIGHT, IF YOU IF WERE TALKING AND 3156
YOU DECIDE YOU WANT A LAWYER OR YOU WANT TO NOT TALK TO ME 3157
ANYMORE THEN WILL STOP TALKING. OK? 3158
JP: I I I JUST… 3159
EM: AND SO… 3160
JP: I MEAN 3161
EM: SO DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THIS TO YOU AGAIN SO THAT YOU 3162
UNDERSTAND? 3163
JP: NO I MEAN IVE HEARD IT ON T.V. AND STUFF YOU KNOW? 3164
EM: OK BUT THE IMPORTANT THING JOSH IS RIGHT NOW I DON’T REALLY CARE 3165
IF YOU’VE HEARD IT ON T.V. OR HOW THEY SAY IT ON T.V. THE 3166
IMPORTANT THING IS RIGHT NOW OK SO DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT TO 3167
YOU AGAIN AND YOU CAN ANSWER MY ANSWER MY QUESTIONS? LETS 3168
DO THAT LET ME READ THROUGH IT YOU ANSWER MY QUESTIONS YES OR 3169
NO I DON’T WANT YOU ASKING ME QUESTIONS OK? UNTIL AFTER… 3170
JP: WELL I GUESS (INAUDIBLE) 3171
EM: (INAUDIBLE) UNTIL AFTER DONE TILL WERE FINISHED WITH THIS… 3172
JP: WELL LETS SEE IF… 3173
EM: SO LET ME READ YOU THIS… 3174
JP: I I DON’T KNOW I MEAN IM… 3175
EM: K LISTEN… 3176
JP: (INAUDIBLE) 3177
EM: YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND 3178
WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW YOU HAVE THE RIGHT 3179
TO A LAWYER AND HAVE HIM PRESENT WITH YOU WHILE YOU ARE BEING 3180
QUESTIONED IF YOU CANNOT AFFOR TO HIRE A LAWYER ONE WILL BE 3181
APPOINTED TO REPRESENT YOU BEFORE ANY QUESIONING IF YOU WISH. 3182
JOSH YOU CAN DECIDE AT ANYTIME TO EXERCISE THESE RIGHTS AND NOT 3183
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ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY STATEMENTS. DO YOU 3184
UNDERSTAND EACH OF THESE RIGHTS IVE EXPLAINED TO YOU JOSH? 3185
JP: YEAH 3186
EM: OK AND HAVING THESE RIGHTS IN MIND JOSH DO YOU WISH TO TALK TO 3187
ME FURTHER ABOUT THIS INVESTIGATION? IT’S YES OR NO? 3188
JP: I DON’T KNOW IF IM READY TO DO THAT. 3189
EM: IT’S YES OR NO? 3190
JP: (INAUDIBLE) 3191
EM: IT’S YES OR NO? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A MINUTE TO THINK ABOUT IT? 3192
JP: NO I WAS YOU KNOW I WAS ALREADY A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED 3193
EM: WELL IM CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR WIFE NOT BEING AROUND. SO LET ME 3194
STEP OUT FOR A SECOND ILL COME BACK AND GRAB YA OK? 3195
JP: GRAB ME FOR WHAT? 3196
EM: WELL IF YOU DON’T WANT TO TALK. 3197
JP: THEN WHAT 3198
EM: THEN I GUESS YOU LEAVE 3199
JP: OK 3200
EM: I MEAN YOU COULD LEAVE ANYTIME ANYWAYS 3201
JP: I YEAH I MEAN LET ME THINK ABOUT FOR A COUPLE DAYS AND… 3202
EM: YOUR WIFE IS MISSING JOSH 3203
JP: YEAH BUT IVE ALREADY 3204
EM: AND YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS? 3205
JP: IVE ALREADY ANSWERED EVERYTHING AND IVE TOLD YOU I WOULD 3206
ANSWER EVERYTHING I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY… 3207
EM: ALRIGHT ARE ARE YOU WILLING… 3208
JP: THE (INAUDIBLE) 3209
EM: TO DO A UM… 3210
DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 3211
EM: YO… 3212
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CM: OH SORRY ARE YOU STILL… 3213
EM: YEAH 3214
CM: ARE WE ARE WE DONE? CAN I TALK TO YOU FOR A MINUTE 3215
(INAUDIBLE) 3216
CM: CAN I TALK TO YOU FOR WE’VE BEEN TALKIN BEFORE I JUST (INAUDIBLE) 3217
JP: WELL ALRIGHT 3218
CM: LET ME TALK TO HIM FOR A MINUTE REAL QUICK 3219
EM: (MUMBLING) 3220
CM: HAVE A SEAT 3221
DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 3222
CM: SORRY I HAD TO GET ON THE PHONE AND TALK TAKE CARE OF A FEW 3223
THINGS. UM WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS RIGHT? 3224
JP: YEAH 3225
CM: ABOUT YOUR WIFE YOU STARTED KINDA CRYIN A LITTLE BIT TELLIN ME 3226
YOU WERE WORRIED ABOUT SOME THINGS OK UM HERES MY CONCERN 3227
OK UM YOUR KIDS YOU KNOW WHAT ABOUT YOUR KIDS RIGHT NOW? I 3228
MEAN WHAT WHAT ARE YOU GONNA TELL YOUR KIDS THERE MOM IS? 3229
JP: I DON’T KNOW 3230
CM: HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? THERE GONNA ASK YOU. 3231
JP: NO I HAVENT EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT. 3232
CM: UM I DON’T KNOW IF HE ADVISED YOU OF YOUR RIGHTS… 3233
JP: (INAUDIBLE) HE JUST HE JUST HE JUST DID… 3234
CM: OH HE DID? 3235
JP: HE JUST… 3236
CM: OK THIS IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT OK? YOUR 3237
RIGHTS ARE JUST NOT ALL IT IS IS WHY HAVE YOU WATCHED T.V. 3238
BEFORE? 3239
JP: YEAH 3240
CM: YOU SEE THAT ON EVERY SHOW THE FIRST THING THEY DO IS ADVISE 3241
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YOU OF YOUR RIGHTS? DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING DOES NOT MEAN 3242
THAT YOU WERE GUILTY OR ANYTHING… 3243
JP: (INAUDIBLE) 3244
CM: DOES NOT THAT YOUR BEING ACCUSED ALL THAT IT DOES IS BY LAW WE 3245
HAVE TO WE WERE REQUIRED ANYTIME WE TALK TO SOMEBODY TO 3246
ADVISE THEM OF THERE RIGHTS SO THEY UNDERSTAND THERE RIGHTS 3247
BUT AT THE SAME TIME AFTER I ADVISE YOU OF YOUR RIGHTS WHAT 3248
THAT DOES FOR ME IS THAT LETS ME KNOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND 3249
THAT WERE JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION HERE AND YOU ARE FREE TO 3250
GO AT ANYTIME BUT FOR ME TO HELP YOU FIND YOUR WIFE… 3251
JP: TO BE HONEST THOUGH I I WAS ALREADY FEELING SICK AND… 3252
CM: K 3253
JP: IM I I JUS… 3254
CM: K LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 3255
JP: I JUST WANT TO GO. 3256
CM: YOU WANT TO GO? K LET ME ASK YOU THIS BEFORE YOU GO I WANT TO 3257
SIT HERE I WANT TO TALK TO YOU… 3258
JP: OK GO AHEAD AND ASK ONE LAST QUESTION 3259
CM: HOW AM I GONNA FIND YOUR WIFE WITHOUT YOUR HELP? 3260
JP: WELL I TOLD HIM I WAS…. 3261
DOOR OPENS…………………………………………………………………………………… 3262
EM: HEY THERES…. 3263
JP: WILLING TO HELP WITH EVERYTHING…GO AHEAD 3264
EM: WELL HAVE A SEAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SIT DOWN FOR THIS ONE. 3265
DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 3266
JP: OK 3267
EM: UM I JUST SPOKE WITH SOME OF SORRY THIS CHAIRS SCREWED UP I JUST 3268
SPOKE WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER DETECTIVES UM AND YOUR GONNA 3269
HAVE TO WAIT HERE WITH US YOUR NOT GONNA GO ANYWHERE UM ONE 3270
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OF OUR DETECTIVES JUST A INTERVIEWED YOUR CHILDREN AND A YOUR 3271
CHILDREN OUR TELLING OUR DETECTIVES THAT A MOM WENT WITH YOU 3272
GUYS LAST NIGHT AND THAT SHE DIDN’T COME BACK. 3273
JP: SHE DID NOT GO WITH US… 3274
EM: K WELL WITH THAT JUST GETTING THAT INFORMATION YOUR NOT GONNA 3275
GO ANYWHERE IM NOT GONNA LET YOU LEAVE. IM GONNA DETAIN YOU 3276
YOU SIT RIGHT HERE IF YOU WANT A LAWYER AND YOU WANT TO TALK 3277
OR YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR MIND AND TALK OR TAKE A CVSA TEST 3278
UM THEN WE CAN DO THOSE THINGS BUT… 3279
CM: K NOW WITH THAT IN MIND… 3280
JP: THEY KNOW THAT SHE DIDN’T GO WITH US. 3281
CM: WELL HERES THE THING KIDS KIDS ARE VERY HONEST THAT’S ONE THING 3282
IVE LEARNED IN THE YEARS OF DOING THIS JOB. THAT WHEN KIDS TALK 3283
TO US WE LISTEN BECAUSE THERE HONEST AND THEY THEY THEY THEY 3284
NEVER LIE THEY DON’T MAKE THINGS UP. SO THERE SAYIN THEY WERE 3285
WITH YOU THEY WERE WITH YOU OK? SO THAT MEANS SHE WAS WITH 3286
YOU SO I HAVE TO BELIEVE THE KIDS SO NOW ITS GONNA BE UP TO YOU IF 3287
YOU WANT TO HELP US FIND HER AND HELP US GET TO THE BOTTOM OF 3288
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED HERE. THAT’S WHAT WERE HERE FOR K WERE 3289
GONNA FIND OUT EITHER WAY WITH YOUR HELP OR WITHOUT YOUR HELP 3290
I HONESTLY DON’T NEED YOUR HELP. I FEEL I FEEL CONFIDENT ENOUGH 3291
IN MY INVESTIGATION AND HIS HIS INVESTIGATION AND EVERYBODY 3292
ELSE INVOLVED WE HAVE GREAT DETECTIVES IN THIS DEPARTMENT 3293
THAT WILL FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS 3294
WITH YOUR HELP OR WITHOUT YOUR HELP. SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE 3295
OPPORTUNITY TO HELP US AND TELL US WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. CAUSE 3296
YOU’RE THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS. 3297
JP: THERES… THERES NOTHING THAT HAPPENED SHE WAS NOT WITH US AND 3298
IF MY KIDS SAID THAT…. 3299
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CM: SO YOUR KIDS LIE THEN? SO YOUR KIDS LIE? 3300
JP: SOMETIMES THEY DO I MEAN IF THEY SAID THAT SHE WAS WITH US. THEY 3301
KNOW THAT’S NOT TRUE. 3302
CM: SO IF THEY SAY… 3303
JP: AND IF THEY SAID THAT SHE WAS WITH US THEN THEN… 3304
CM: THEN WHAT? 3305
JP: THEN I GUESS THAT WOULD PUT HER OUT IN THE OUT THE PONY EXPRESS. 3306
CM: K AND THAT’S MY CONCERN. THAT’S OUR CONCERN IT IS COLD OUTSIDE 3307
AND IF THERES ANYWAY WE CAN HELP HER… 3308
JP: WELL (INAUDIBLE) 3309
CM: WE CAN HELP HER RIGHT NOW IF YOU HELP US OUT. 3310
JP: NO SHES SHE WAS NOT WITH US I DIDN’T LEAVE HER AT THE PONY 3311
EXPRESS I DIDN’T JUST TAKE HER OUT AND DROP HER OFF OR EVEN DO 3312
ANYTHING. 3313
CM: K LETS GO BACK TO THE RIGHTS REAL QUICK YOUR NOT LEAVING 3314
ANYWAY K? SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I WANNA HAVE HAVE YOU 3315
ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS FOR US CAUSE YOU CANT LEAVE EITHER WAY 3316
BUT WHAT I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF IS THAT YOU HAVE RIGHTS K? 3317
AND IT IT PROBABLY BE TO YOUR BEST INTEREST TO LISTEN TO THESE 3318
RIGHTS THAT HES GONNA READ TO YOU. 3319
JP: WELL OK BUT I DO WANT THE LAWYER CAUSE AT THIS POINT I 3320
DEFINITELY WANT THE LAWYER. 3321
CM: OK 3322
JP: SO WHERE IS WHERE DO I GET THE LAWYER IN FACT… 3323
CM: TELL YOU WHAT IF YOU CAN GET THIS IS WHAT I CAN DO FOR YOU RIGHT 3324
NOW IF YOU GIVE ME A PHONE OR A NAME OF A LAWYER I WILL CALL THE 3325
LAWYER FOR YOU AND BRING HIM TO YOU HERE AND THEN WE CAN 3326
STILL TALK. DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT FOR ME? 3327
JP: UM THE ONLY LAWYER I KNOW IS PRE PAID LEGAL. 3328
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EM: THAT’S A GENERIC NUMBER RIGHT? 3329
CM: CAUSE YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT LAWYER YOU WANT ME TO CALL FOR 3330
YOU AND I WILL I WILL GET YOU A PHONE BOOK. 3331
EM: SO LET ME SEE YOUR PHONE. 3332
CM: WHO EVER YOU WANT. 3333
JP: WHY? 3334
EM: I WANT TO JUST SEE YOUR PHONE IT’S GONNA IM GONNA HANG ON TO IT 3335
UNTIL WERE FINISHED. 3336
JP: K 3337
EM: DO YOU HAVE A… 3338
JP: CAN I RE…I GUESS THE QUESTION IS… 3339
EM: DO YOU HAVE A LAWYER THAT YOU NEED TO CALL? 3340
JP: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL MY LAWYER. 3341
EM: A SPECIFIC LAWYER? NO WILL CALL YOUR LAWYER. OK? 3342
CM: YEAH YOU JUST TELL US WHO TO CALL WILL CALL THEM FOR YOU 3343
EM: DO YOU HAVE THE PHONE NUMBER IN THERE AND WILL WRITE IT DOWN 3344
AND WE CAN CALL THEM. IM NOT GOING THROUGH YOUR PHONE IM JUST 3345
GONNA HOLD YOUR PHONE SO THAT YOU CANT USE IT. 3346
JP: OH HE SAID IM NOT SUPPOSE TO CALL THEM THAT’S THE PHONE NUMBER. 3347
CM: IS THERE ANYBODY SPECIFIC THAT YOU WANT US TO CALL? ANY NAMES? 3348
CAUSE EITHER WITH YOUR LAWYER OR WITHOUT YOUR LAWYER WE 3349
HAVE TO GET A STATEMENT FORM YOU TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED 3350
AND WHATS GOING ON WE GOTTA FIND HER. WE HAVE TO FIND HER 3351
PERIOD. AND I THINK YOU OWE IT TO YOUR KIDS THAT WE FIND HER 3352
JP: OBVIOUSLY 3353
CM: SO WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO? 3354
EM: YOU WANT US TO CALL YOUR LAWYER? 3355
JP: A YEAH I WANT A LAWYER. 3356
EM: OK 3357
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JP: I MEAN IF YOU GUYS ARE… 3358
CM: OK WILL DO THAT FOR YA. 3359
EM: ILL GIVE YOU YOUR PHONE BUT YOU CANT USE IT OK SO DON’T PULL IT 3360
OUT DON’T TEXT DON’T CALL. YOU UNDERSTAND? 3361
JP: K 3362
EM: ARE YOU GONNA BE TEMPTED TO USE IT? 3363
JP: NO HOW LONG? 3364
EM: AS LONG AS IT TAKES COULD BE AN HOUR COULD BE TWO HOURS I DON’T 3365
KNOW 3366
JP: K WELL 3367
CM: K AND IF THERES ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT JUST KNOCK ON THE DOOR 3368
DON’T COME OUT 3369
JP: I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA GIVE ME THE PHONE? 3370
EM: HMMM I DON’T KNOW…I JUST DON’T… 3371
CM: I THINK I THINK WHAT WILL DO IS… 3372
EM: WILL HANG ON TO IT. 3373
CM: WERE GONNA HANG ON TO IT FOR EVIDENCE AT THIS POINT. 3374
EM: YEAH 3375
CM: OK 3376
EM: WERE GONNA KEEP IT 3377
CM: AND ITS GONNA BE PART OF THE CASE K? AND IF WE FEEL THAT WE 3378
DON’T NEED IT FOR EVIDENCE THEN WILL LET YOU KNOW AND WILL GIVE 3379
IT BACK TO YA K? BUT IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TALK TO 3380
US ABOUT YOU KNOCK ON THE DOOR. 3381
EM: DON’T COME OUT 3382
CM: DON’T COME OUT 3383
EM: JUST KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND WILL COME OVER. 3384
CM: WILL COME OVER AND TALK TO YOU OK? IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO 3385
TALK ABOUT ANYTHING. 3386
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DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 3387
JP: ALRIGHT 3388
DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 3389
DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 3390
EM: OK SO BEFORE I CALL I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE DO UM IF I CALL AN 3391
ATTORNEY DO YOU WANT TO TALK MORE? 3392
JP: UM… 3393
EM: OR NO? 3394
JP: HONESTLY IM ALREADY FEELING SICK IM I WANTED TO GO A LONG TIME 3395
AGO AND AT THIS POINT IM… 3396
EM: OK IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE YOU CAN LEAVE. 3397
JP: IM I CAN LEAVE? 3398
EM: YEAH IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE YOU CAN LEAVE. 3399
JP: OK NOW AND YOUR KEEPING MY PHONE OR? 3400
EM: IM GONNA KEEP YOUR PHONE. 3401
DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 3402
DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES……………………………………………………………………. 3403
END OF INTERVIEW…………………………………………………………………………….. 3404
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