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ukedchat Archive 3 Jan 2013Hosted by @Sarah__Wright1

Handing over the reins...How do youimplement pupil led learning in theclassroom?

20:00:12 Sarah__wright1

Evening & welcome to #ukedchat tonight werediscussing pupil led learning (PLL for Twitter short) howwould you define PLL?

20:00:39 Showmyhomework

RT @ukedchat: Under 2 hours until #ukedchat @8pm

with @Sarah__Wright1: 'Handing over the reins. How doyou implement pupil led learning ...

20:01:08 Pauls_elearning

[Weekly reminder] #ukedchat is about to start on Twitter.You can watch the conversation & join in here:http://t.co/lmRpxs8n

20:01:54 GaryAveryITTCan be : what they learn, how they learn, the outcome ofthe learning.... Which to start with?? #UKEdChat


RT @urban_teacher: @Visually This year i hope to useVisually in my class and for coursework revision

#ukedchat

20:02:08 DebbieHolley1

RT @Pauls_elearning: [Weekly reminder] #ukedchat isabout to start on Twitter. You can watch the conversation& join in here: http:/ ...


RT @esafetyadviser: A new forum for East Midlandsteachers - please RT, join and share -http://t.co/8HECipEb #ukedchat


RT @AndyDMMitchell: 5 Reasons The iPad Will StayThe King of the Classroom http://t.co/vovw0KVp #edtech#ukedchat


RT @GaryAveryITT: Can be : what they learn, how theylearn, the outcome of the learning.... Which to startwith?? #UKEdChat

20:03:16 travelgeordie#ukedchat use project based learning giving students achallenge to exhibit work in a beautiful way


RT @ICTmagic: Read the new ICTmagic Show onlinemagazine with 22 fab resources for your class.#ukedchat #edchat #edtech #ntchat http:// ...

20:03:40 ICTmagic

RT @Sarah__wright1: Evening & welcome to #ukedchattonight were discussing pupil led learning (PLL forTwitter short) how would you ...

20:03:43 Sarah__wright1RT @StuartLock: #ukedchat - dangerous premise - "howdo we?" Surely the first question is "do we?"


RT @AndyDMMitchell: Thousands of young peoplecannot cope with everyday life http://t.co/Ej5Czgcm#ukedchat #nusuk

20:03:54 thingsbehindsun

Learning is invisible. Teachers cannot make learninghappen, they can create the environment in which

learning happens #ukedchat

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20:04:01 oldandrewuk

RT @StuartLock: The premise behind tonight's#ukedchat title makes me feel like I imagine@oldandrewuk feels every day.

20:04:10 GaryAveryITTWhat they learn tends to be 'What do you want to find out

about in this topic....' real PLL?? #UKEdChat20:04:34 rkieran

#ukedchat #mantleoftheexpert - thankyou and good night;)

20:04:40 MrsPTeachThe curried carrot soup is boiling away for schoollunches....so it's #ukedchat time!


RT @InnovateMySchl: The importance of teachingstudents mental toughness http://t.co/4eqhiS3G by@SkySportsLFS #pegeeks #ukedchat

20:05 DHESolutionsLtd@GaryAveryITT Agree, I think a great start is pupils

being engaged and believing in the process #ukedchat


#ukedchat "Topic: Handing over the reins. How do youimplement pupil led learning in the classroom?" Oh dear.Oh dear. Oh dear.

20:05:09 Pekabelo

#ukedchat We need students to be leaders. To take thelead with their attitude, approach and the quality of theirwork. Just like us!

20:05:10 MrsPTeach

I try and use Primary Wall for PLL but it's LOST all theirideas :( won't be doing that again. Any alternatives?

#ukedchat

20:05:12 travelgeordie

#ukedchat e.g. Campaign Afternoon where studentscreate and present an issue or topic they are passionateabout

20:05:20 StuartLockGenuinely puzzled by how to answer the openingquestion, aside from the trite and obvious. #ukedchat

20:05:31 ICTmagic@GaryAveryITT Should the 'what do you want to learn...'be confined to a single topic? #ukedchat

20:05:33 93rdminute

RT @InnovateMySchl: The importance of teachingstudents mental toughness http://t.co/4eqhiS3G by@SkySportsLFS #pegeeks #ukedchat


Set aside one lesson per week. Ask big philosophicalquestions and give pupils time to think them through,discuss and present #ukedchat


RT @travelgeordie: #ukedchat use project basedlearning giving students a challenge to exhibit work in abeautiful way

20:06:05 StuartLock

@Pekabelo OK, I can subscribe to this. I just don't agreethat students should decide what is learnt, and rarely (if

ever) how #ukedchat

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#ukedchat I wonder if doctors want their patients toprescribe their own drugs? Or police officers think peopleshould arrest themselves?


RT @TLTP: Teachers of #English required for posts

across London and the SE. Please call 020 8709 6540#ukedchat

20:06:13 danielharvey9

RT @Pekabelo: #ukedchat We need students to beleaders. To take the lead with their attitude, approachand the quality of their work. Ju ...

20:06:15 benking01

We have successfully introduced Learning to Learn in Y7& 8 and Year 9 Pathways - students successfully leadtheir own learning #UKEdChat


RT @DHESolutionsLtd: @GaryAveryITT Agree, I think a

great start is pupils being engaged and believing in theprocess #ukedchat

20:06:38 ICTmagic

@StuartLock Can you give an example of pupil ledlearning that has happen in your own classroom?#ukedchat

20:06:39 GaryAveryITT @ICTmagic no. but what is the solution? #UKEdChat

20:06:47 StuartLock

RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat "Topic: Handing over thereins. How do you implement pupil led learning in theclassroom?" Oh dear. Oh dear. ...

20:06:50 thingsbehindsun Play a game of 'can we do it? should we do it?' withethical questions created by pupils #ukedchat



20:07:04 MrPalomar1


20:07:09 MrPalomar1

RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat I wonder if doctors wanttheir patients to prescribe their own drugs? Or policeofficers think people should ...


@ukedchat @8pm @sarah__wright1 #ukedchat I thinkhave clear expectations is key but I guess that's witheverything!

20:07:35 bellaale



#ukedchat Do ambulance drivers turn up & say:"here'syour ambulance, Mr Heart Attack Victim, drive it yourself,

I'm just here to facilitate"

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20:07:45 Sarah__wright1#ukedchat How do you do yours? What PLL do youcurrently use in your classroom?

20:07:57 richards_james

Top 5 eLearning Communities at Google+ that youshould join http://t.co/MwlCnZw8 via @zite #ukedchat

#addcym20:07:58 dandesignthink

a lot of teachers dont even want feedback from studentsnever mind ppl! #ukedchat


@Pekabelo#pll #ukedchat is about supporting students inunderstanding what's to be learnt and really involvingthem in the how

20:08:13 frogphilpEducation takes place within a socio-cultural context.How can that be defined by children? #ukedchat

20:08:13 SurrealAnarchy @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat "Topic: Handing over thereins. How do you implement pupil led learning in theclassroom?" By going home

20:08:24 Richy68

RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Do ambulance driversturn up & say:"here's your ambulance, Mr Heart AttackVictim, drive it yourself, I'm ...

20:08:43 ICTmagic

@GaryAveryITT Not even a little?! Not a suggestedcourse of action or a divergence to a topic you didn'tintend? #ukedchat

20:08:45 jackieschneider I have long been of the belief that most learning occursinschool despite what teachers do not because of it#ukedchat

20:08:45 StuartLock


20:08:47 davidhunter

@oldandrewuk do you think that there is any better wayfor pupils to learn/become self-motivated lrnrs than byyou teaching them? #ukedchat

20:08:55 lizzie_h18

@ICTmagic year 2 class wanting to continue a story pastthe authors ending - own writing and art work. Not inplanning but did it! #Ukedchat

20:09:03 oldandrewuk#ukedchat No, the only profession full of hatred of it'sown authority and expertise is the teaching profession.

20:09:10 StuartLock Did people really vote for this #ukedchat topic?

20:09:14 richards_james10 Innovative Ways to Use ThingLink in the Classroomhttp://t.co/FXYsAZjn via @zite #ukedchat #addcym

20:09:23 HeyMissSmith

I'm not sure as a teacher PLL should be the aim.Independence is important but that is different from the

children leading. #ukedchat

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@oldandrewuk #ukedchat no but they do ask relevantquestions to assist with diagnosis - it takes as much prepfor a pupil led session

20:09:29 Wonderacademy

#ukedchat New post: 10 things I know about pupil-led

learning... Or am still learning about...http://t.co/4ZanX5kW

20:09:30 katzb21my student IT committee lead learning in technology 4both peers & staff - we r primary level #ukedchat

20:09:43 davidhunter @jackieschneider isn't that bad teaching? #ukedchat


Teaching more about embedding skills such as research,analysis and healthy scepticism rather than learningfacts? #ukedchat


@ukedchat @8pm @sarah__wright1 I give learners

freedom to think outside the box in small teams, goodhappens! #ukedchat #thinkdifferent

20:09:56 oldandrewuk#ukedchat If a teacher wants kids to teach themselvesthen we should give the kids the teachers' wages.

20:10:02 lizzie_h18@oldandrewuk your examples are all linked to somethinggoing wrong... #Ukedchat


RT @Wonderacademy: #ukedchat New post: 10 things Iknow about pupil-led learning... Or am still learningabout... http://t.co/4ZanX5kW

20:10:04 Sarah__wright1RT @danielharvey9: @Pekabelo#pll #ukedchat is about supporting students inunderstanding what's to be learnt and really involvingthem ...


RT @danielharvey9: @Pekabelo#pll #ukedchat is about supporting students inunderstanding what's to be learnt and really involvingthem ...

20:10:22 GaryAveryITT

@ICTmagic ah, realised the no was not explained...no itshouldn't be limited to one topic. The 'off track' lessonsare the best #UKEdChat

20:10:36 ICTwitz@oldandrewuk For once, I actually agree with you there.Happy new year. #ukedchat

20:10:38 richards_james

Can You Measure an Education? Can You Define LifesMeaning? http://t.co/dUms9Uxl via @zite #ukedchat#addcym


#ukedchat If it seems plausible to you that kids couldlearn better without you giving them direct instructionthen get out of the classroom

20:10:44 Showmyhomework RT @Pekabelo: #ukedchat We need students to be

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leaders. To take the lead with their attitude, approachand the quality of their work. Ju ...


RT @Pekabelo: #ukedchat We need students to beleaders. To take the lead with their attitude, approach

and the quality of their work. Ju ...

20:11:05 katzb21

@dandesignthink unfortunately true but this is d 21stcentury where collaborative learning communities shd bengaged & encouraged #ukedchat

20:11:07 MaireadC

I facilitate an after school programming club where 2 year10 boys teach a group of year 8 - 10s how to use Python#ukedchat

20:11:13 jackieschneider

am seriously worried that we teach kids to becynical/world weary at tender age as we massage figs &

'pretend' to achieve things #ukedchat20:11:19 ICTmagic

@GaryAveryITT Ah! Too many conversations at once. :)#ukedchat

20:11:25 christully85

@richardredwin: Any teachers out there got the SMARTNotebook app for iPad? If so, is it worth investing in?#ukedchat

20:11:42 GaddafiGove

Anyone fancy hearing my hip-hop song about Gove? It'sgoing to be pretty unforgiving. Monday release! :D#ukedchat #GoveMUSTgo

20:11:54 oldandrewuk #ukedchat And in case anyone says it, no kids do notlearn better if left to "discover" knowledge for themselves.http://t.co/AYgQ18Ir

20:12 timbuckteethThe future of classrooms http://t.co/GpaaaZjh #edchat#ukedchat

20:12:02 bellaale

why all the false dichotomising? learning is a partnershipbtwn learner & teacher. You don't DO learning to people#ukedchat

20:12:20 GaryAveryITT @ictmagic always the way with #UKEdChat


Create a curriculum where students are always creatingwork that is beautiful and is relevant to them and theirfuture #ukedchat

20:12:26 Sarah__wright1#ukedchat What are the benefits of PLL? How andindeed does it improve learning?

20:12:33 DebbieHolley1@jackieschneider #ukedchat but surely authentic tasksand leading would help to minimise this?

20:12:33 StuartLock#ukedchat tonight is based on students learning likethey're doing PHDs.

20:12:37 ICTmagic

I love @ewanmcintosh's TED videohttp://t.co/5IRNwMRk which relates to this topic. I recent

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find! #ukedchat

20:12:37 Pekabelo

@StuartLock no of course. But that doesn't mean theyshouldn't have a say in the design of the learningprocess. #ukedchat

20:12:42 HCPerrinData-gather on Kent secondary schools - variety in theirwebsites is SO interesting - added to the "when I havemore time" list... #ukedchat

20:12:44 DebbieHolley1RT @timbuckteeth: The future of classroomshttp://t.co/GpaaaZjh #edchat #ukedchat

20:12:48 oldandrewuk#ukedchat The greatest effect on learning stems fromteacher feedback and direct instruction.

20:12:57 TeacherToolkit

#ukedchat

Reduce #teacherTalk!

20:12:59 ewanmcintosh

RT @ICTmagic: I love @ewanmcintosh's TED videohttp://t.co/5IRNwMRk which relates to this topic. I recentfind! #ukedchat

20:13:04 ICTwitz

@christully85 @richardredwin I have it. It's good, anduse it with App TV so can use remotely within theclassroom. Otherwise, no! #ukedchat

20:13:14 ICTmagicRT @Sarah__wright1: #ukedchat What are the benefitsof PLL? How and indeed does it improve learning?

20:13:21 frogphilp @MaireadC After school sessions sound great - but Iworry about an approach that majors on facilitation forthe bulk of lessons #ukedchat

20:13:22 dialogicreading

@oldandrewuk #ukedchat Still need to help guide them.Im all about Zones of Proximal Development andIntermental Zone of Development.

20:13:33 urban_teacher

#ukedchat Every Lesson I give students a smallresponsibility to lead the lesson, then eventually overtimethey are leading the whole lesson


RT @TeacherToolkit: #ukedchat


20:13:35 benking01Surely one of the best ways to learn is to teach someoneelse; this applies to children as well as adults! #ukedchat


Illiterate prisoner falsely imprisoned was DEEPLYmotivated to study medicine & law to prove his innocence& successful #Ukedchat


Teach metacognition: allows pupils to understand how aswell as what they think. Stops them becoming

receptacles for information #ukedchat

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RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat The greatest effect onlearning stems from teacher feedback and directinstruction.

20:13:57 ChrisChivers2#ukedchat Thoughts on Learning from Experience,

earlier post. Maybe one for later. http://t.co/iobBvB7h20:13:58 janboo

@oldandrewuk #ukedchat Agree with you Andrew - totalnonsense


RT @TeacherToolkit: #ukedchat


20:14:06 lizzie_h18@oldandrewuk you forgot discussion#Ukedchat

20:14:16 tweetiepie3689

RT @tes: Despite self-doubt and illness, PGCE student

Angie Jenkinson is sustained by others' kindnesshttp://t.co/CFDb7gGl #ukedchat


#ukedchat And don't tell me teacher neglect motivateskids. They'd be even more motivated if you let themwatch cartoons all day.

20:14:22 davidErogers What's #ukedchat topic on this evening?

20:14:23 Mrs___F

Nature's Weirdest Events is somehow making up forlousy broadband that's taking me away from #ukedchatbugger

20:14:28 Sam_Currie RT @ICTmagic: I love @ewanmcintosh's TED videohttp://t.co/5IRNwMRk which relates to this topic. I recentfind! #ukedchat

20:14:29 katzb21

quite shocked/disappointed at d number of negativeresponses here.Think how we as adults learn best -didacticly r collaboratively #ukedchat


RT @Pekabelo: @StuartLock no of course. But thatdoesn't mean they shouldn't have a say in the design ofthe learning process. #ukedchat

20:14:34 travelgeordieMake sure students are trained in critique. Teachersshould be there to facilitate #ukedchat

20:14:35 LutonNUT

RT @GaddafiGove: Anyone fancy hearing my hip-hopsong about Gove? It's going to be pretty unforgiving.Monday release! :D #ukedchat #Gov ...


@oldandrewuk thanks for the link, will absorb later...butif this is the research, why the constant reference to PLL#UKEdChat - Thoughts?


RT @benking01: Surely one of the best ways to learn isto teach someone else; this applies to children as well as

adults! #ukedchat

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.@ICTmagic If you want more detail on how one mghtcreate authentc tasks #ssatnc12 keynote gave more time:-) http://t.co/UEK2gftR #ukedchat

20:14:50 nancyrubinRT @timbuckteeth: The future of classrooms

http://t.co/GpaaaZjh #edchat #ukedchat


#ukedchat And as for "co-constructed knowledge": If yourknowledge can be co-constructed by a child there issomething wrong with it.

20:15:07 Michael_Merrick


20:15:10 SusanGodsland

RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat "Topic: Handing over thereins. How do you implement pupil led learning in the

classroom?" Oh dear. Oh dear. ...


RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat I wonder if doctors wanttheir patients to prescribe their own drugs? Or policeofficers think people should ...

20:15:21 StuartLock@GaryAveryITT @oldandrewuk That's a good question#ukedchat

20:15:26 gwalbrechtRT @timbuckteeth: The future of classroomshttp://t.co/GpaaaZjh #edchat #ukedchat


RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat No, the only profession

full of hatred of it's own authority and expertise is theteaching profession.


RT @urban_teacher: #ukedchat Every Lesson I givestudents a small responsibility to lead the lesson, theneventually overtime they are l ...


#ukedchat interesting to hear different views on thistopic.we generally seem not to trust children.wonderwhy?


RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat If a teacher wants kids toteach themselves then we should give the kids theteachers' wages.

20:15:37 GrahamBMRT @timbuckteeth: The future of classroomshttp://t.co/GpaaaZjh #edchat #ukedchat

20:15:44 DrJohnLTaylor Students need to be taught to learn independently. Theskills aren't innate. #ukedchat

20:15:46 cherrylkd@HeyMissSmith #ukedchat I'm with you there. Twothings are totally different.

20:15:51 sklobal

Bhutan takes conservation into the classroom #edchat#ukedchat #teachers #SklobalThursdayThanks

http://t.co/nSZmKfNs http://t.co/7d8fPCMy

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RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat If it seems plausible toyou that kids could learn better without you giving themdirect instruction then get ...

20:16:03 ChrisChivers2#ukedchat Let the independent learners rehearse the

skills and show what can be achieved. Peer learning.20:16:06 Pekabelo

@StuartLock also, design their own questions, look at@Totallywired77's punk learning. #ukedchat

20:16:10 mrpeel

#ukedchat poss another secondary/primary split? I tendtowards @oldandrewuk and might sit this one out-independent and resilient isn't PLL

20:16:12 ICT_MrP

Using football as a stimulus in Literacy with the help ofiPads! http://t.co/iR8KM9Lt #ipaded #ukedchat #edchat#literacy #talk4writing

20:16:12 thingsbehindsun Content not always the driver for lessons. Allow pupils topresent their view on a subject of interest. Make themdefend their POV #ukedchat

20:16:15 Dymvue

RT @jackieschneider: I have long been of the belief thatmost learning occursin school despite what teachers donot because of it #ukedchat

20:16:16 frogphilp

@oldandrewuk Co-construction is not a vector ofknowledge. It's a vector of creativity and therefore can'tbe taught. #ukedchat

20:16:18 oldandrewuk #ukedchat The autonomous child left to discover theworld by the progressive teacher is not based onanything other than crazed ideology.


RT @urban_teacher: #ukedchat Every Lesson I givestudents a small responsibility to lead the lesson, theneventually overtime they are l ...

20:16:37 sklobal

Bhutan takes conservation into the classroom #edchat#ukedchat #teachers #SklobalThursdayThankshttp://t.co/nSZmKfNs

20:16:43 DrJohnLTaylor

We learn to think by thinking. We think when we aregiven something worth thinking about. #ukedchat

20:16:54 StuartLock

@davidhunter Even students who can be 'trusted' benefitfrom what and how they're learning being designed by aprofessional #ukedchat

20:16:54 L1v1n9byNum63r5

@tesMaths credit. I found it on my computer thisevening. http://t.co/Wl5fLt4g #maths #edchat #mathchat#ukedchat

20:16:54 L1v1n9byNum63r5

@tesMaths credit. I found it on my computer thisevening. http://t.co/Wl5fLt4g #maths #edchat #mathchat

#ukedchat

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We've found student-led learning the singularly mostchallenging think to teach to teachers. But the results areamazing. #ukedchat

20:16:59 lizzie_h18

#mantleoftheexpert is pupil led learning but always starts

with the question what is the curriculum to be taught#Ukedchat

20:17:02 davidErogers@ukedchat thank you - my first reaction would be whylimit it to the classroom? ;-) #ukedchat

20:17:07 DrJohnLTaylor 'Better a guide at the side than a sage on the stage'.(Alison King) #ukedchat

20:17:07 benking01RT @DrJohnLTaylor: Students need to be taught to learnindependently. The skills aren't innate. #ukedchat


RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Let the independent

learners rehearse the skills and show what can beachieved. Peer learning.

20:17:11 BrightAire@oldandrewuk - doesn't it depend on the balance in the"co-construction partnership"? *retch* #ukedchat

20:17:13 syded06

Just had a look at the #ukedchat timeline and quiteamused by the argument only direct instruction approachto learning works!

20:17:27 SusanGodsland

RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat The autonomous child leftto discover the world by the progressive teacher is not

based on anything other tha ...


RT @ukedchat: Under 2 hours until #ukedchat @8pmwith @Sarah__Wright1: 'Handing over the reins. How doyou implement pupil led learning ...

20:17:36 davidErogers

A simple idea we use is to get students to ask questionsat the beginning of a unit on postits. There's you unit#ukedchat


#ukedchat An ideology for those who have no faith inthemselves, no confidence in their own place in theworld. An ideology that...


RT @syded06: Just had a look at the #ukedchat timelineand quite amused by the argument only direct instructionapproach to learning wo ...


How about a balance?? - Children find out, form anopinion.... But i will teach at the end of the lesson, not thebeginning... #UKEdChat


#ukedchat The aim of the game is not to spoonfeed orchat too much in a lesson. The aim is to let studentsspoon feed each other!

20:17:53 travelgeordie Content not important gone are the days when teacher

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should tell students about ox bow lakes in geography.Ive never seen one! #ukedchat


RT @benking01: Surely one of the best ways to learn isto teach someone else; this applies to children as well as

adults! #ukedchat20:17:54 PeterSpencer88

@oldandrewuk so when learning to do something it isalways best to be told how to do it? #ukedchat

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Provide students with the scaffolding; show them how tobuild; then move aside & allow them to start putting thebricks in place. #ukedchat

20:17:59 StuartLock I really can't believe that people still want to subscribe toRousseau's Emile and that way of learning. #ukedchat

20:18:11 wilderwoman1

#ukedchat You have to provide the tools and theframeworks. Their application and transference is wherethey become independent learners.

20:18:19 GrahamBMHow would you design a classroom? http://t.co/8bKoixOf#edchat #UKedchat (12 min vid)

20:18:21 oldandrewuk#ukedchat ...worships weakness to the point where thehelpless child seems like a saint.

20:18:22 StuartLock

@DrJohnLTaylor Tripe, I'm afraid. #ukedchat.


@DrJohnLTaylor #ukedchat and we don't know what theskills are children will need - so independent learningincreasingly important


#ukedchat So, a mixed bag of opinions, does anyonehave any examples of positive or negative pupil ledlearning sessions or projects?

20:18:35 ChrisChivers2

#ukedchat DT/problem solving in all areas can offerpotential collaborative, independent activities.http://t.co/r78O1np0


@syded06 Did you find that out yourself, or did someonetell you? Apparently we have to be told EVERYTHING!#concerned #ukedchat

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RT @Pekabelo: @StuartLock also, design their ownquestions, look at @Totallywired77's punk learning.#ukedchat

20:18:44 ewanmcintosh Student-led learning is threatening for many unless they

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can identify their robust pedagogical toolbox:http://t.co/5UIQrjX4 #ukedchat


#ukedchat New post: 10 things I know about pupil-ledlearning.... http://t.co/4ZanX5kW. Don't deny the simple

success of teacher talk...20:18:45 katzb21

@ewanmcintosh wd love 2 hear more anout thisresearch #ukedchat

20:18:45 Caz963


20:18:52 andrewwarnerkms

RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat And as for "co-constructed knowledge": If your knowledge can be co-constructed by a child there is something ...

20:18:53 MrG_ICT maybe we need to be choosy with children taking leadingrolls. ICT is perfect. Always get children choreog as nogood myself. #ukedchat


@cherrylkd en when children are 'presenting' directinstruction is vital.Children's feedback to each other alsoneeds guidance. #ukedchat


Learning happens when pupils (are made to?) think hard.But how do we get pupils to think hard? What doesthinking look like? #ukedchat

20:18:58 oldandrewuk #ukedchat In the absence of adult leadership & authoritykids do not become autonomous, they become slaves tothe mob.


RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Let the independentlearners rehearse the skills and show what can beachieved. Peer learning.

20:19 Sarah__wright1

RT @wilderwoman1: #ukedchat You have to provide thetools and the frameworks. Their application andtransference is where they become in ...

20:19:06 johnjdc


20:19:19 StuartLock

Students have 130 odd hours a week to design their ownlearning. Why would we let them do it in the precioustime we have #ukedchat

20:19:19 bellaale

"Point the finger at someone (or an entire profession...)and you have 3 fingers pointing right back atyourself..." ;) #ukedchat

20:19:26 frogphilp

@cristinataboada @oldandrewuk It's possible to inhibit

the development of creativity. Only humanists believe

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you can support it. #ukedchat


RT @lizzie_h18: #mantleoftheexpert is pupil led learningbut always starts with the question what is the curriculumto be taught #Ukedchat

20:19:41 katzb21 time 2 move away from d concept of d teacher pouring dfountain of knowledge in2 d childs head #ukedchat


#ukedchat Children are not natural saints or prto-intellectuals They are as prone to moral weakness as therest of us.

20:19:44 jodieworld

All I have to say on #ukedchat is InternationalBaccalaureate. Research it. It is the best example I cangive and cannot explain in a tweet!


RT @davidErogers: A simple idea we use is to get

students to ask questions at the beginning of a unit onpostits. There's you unit #ukedchat

20:19:48 PeterSpencer88@dialogicreading @syded06 a scene from ShirleyValentine springs to mind! #ukedchat

20:19:48 ICT_MrP

All the #ipad apps I have used so far this year from rec -year 6! With examples of the context usedhttp://t.co/ZcOkJodO #ipaded #ukedchat


My response to #ukedchat is that we need to define whatpupil led learning is first, then remember it's only good

some of the time


@davidhunter #ukedchat like many I've been in theclassroom when it works fab and when it goes horriblywrong...valid points on both sides

20:19:55 MissisHumanRT @GrahamBM: How would you design a classroom?http://t.co/8bKoixOf #edchat #UKedchat (12 min vid)


Deeper thought needs a stimulus, which often comesfrom discussion. It also needs time. Hence why projectbased approaches work. #ukedchat


@StuartLock i agree.I dispute that much of what istaught to children is of relevance or purpose to their livesthough #ukedchat


.@katzb21 There's some great evidence of student-ledlrn improving lit & numeracy in our Brissie schools:http://t.co/1xo6Y2qZ #ukedchat

20:19:59 StuartLock@ewanmcintosh Go on, because that would fly in theface of lots of research. #ukedchat

20:20 benking01

@oldandrewuk Is anyone here suggesting that ALLlearning should be self-directed by the students? Surely

not. #ukedchat

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20:20:11 Sarah__wright1@davidErogers that was how I started a total pupil ledtopic last term, worked brilliantly! #ukedchat


@davidhunter no. Mammals r naturally curious & learnthru experience of doing & solving not by following NC &

jumping thru hoops #ukedchat20:20:26 travelgeordie

Claxtons 4rs BLP is a framework that promotes sharedlanguage for students #ukedchat

20:20:26 Pekabelo

@lizzie_h18 Just done something like this. Studentstotally immersed in their learning,creating amazing workhttp://t.co/RcRUZdO9 #ukedchat



20:20:48 TLABerkhamsted RT @davidErogers: My response to #ukedchat is that weneed to define what pupil led learning is first, thenremember it's only good some ...


.@StuartLock I'd encourage ppl to read research fromHarvard Project Zero, Guy Claxton, David Perkins, RonBerger... #ukedchat

20:21:06 bellaale

RT @benking01: @oldandrewuk Is anyone heresuggesting that ALL learning should be self-directed bythe students? Surely not. #ukedchat

20:21:11 StuartLock @davidhunter So have a professional discussion aboutwhat rather than letting them decide. #ukedchat

20:21:13 bramleyapplecc#ukedchat mantle of the expert: co constructedscaffolded inquiry based pedagogy every time!


@oldandrewuk anything on mob/herd mentality beingmore prevalent in chn than adults spring to mind?Beenwriting about this today #ukedchat

20:21:15 syded06

@janbaker97 IMO teaching is not about telling. Its aboutfinding the right approach at the right time for the rightstudent #ukedchat


#ukedchat learning by example followed up by practice athome or with peers tends to work! There are leaders ineveryclassroom

20:21:22 BrightAireThink a more subtle definition of "student-led" is needed.#ukedchat


RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Children are not naturalsaints or prto-intellectuals They are as prone to moralweakness as the rest of us.

20:21:35 nicoladarling78

@davidErogers yep agree and becoming gradually more

confident with this :) #ukedchat

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20:21:36 simon_elliott

RT @jodieworld: All I have to say on #ukedchat isInternational Baccalaureate. Research it. It is the bestexample I can give and cannot ...


Claxtons 4rs BLP is a framework that promotes shared

language for students to lead their own learning#ukedchat

20:21:41 jackieschneider I HATE our obsession with labelling kids & believing thatNC levels make any kind of sense #ukedchat


RT @katzb21: time 2 move away from d concept of dteacher pouring d fountain of knowledge in2 d childshead #ukedchat

20:21:57 bramleyapplecc#ukedchat A, B, C of mantle; All involved, Big problems,Community that Cares!!!

20:22:03 oldandrewuk #ukedchat Some deficiencies of character and intellectare actually typical of children & they need help toovercome them.


RT @bramleyapplecc: #ukedchat mantle of the expert:co constructed scaffolded inquiry based pedagogy everytime!

20:22:22 DebbieHolley1RT @GrahamBM: How would you design a classroom?http://t.co/8bKoixOf #edchat #UKedchat (12 min vid)

20:22:37 davidErogers@nicoladarling78 Simple is good. I'm a simple person

after all :-) #ukedchat

20:22:39 RobAnthony01

@benking01 @bellaale @oldandrewuk #ukedchat Andstudents need to be TAUGHT how best to learn forthemselves.

20:22:43 oldandrewuk#ukedchat We introduce children to the world. That iswhy we teach.


@jackieschneider Yes, but without context and inputwe're talking about figuring out how resistantplasterboard is to teeth #ukedchat

20:22:50 merlinjohn

RT @ICTmagic: I love @ewanmcintosh's TED videohttp://t.co/5IRNwMRk which relates to this topic. I recentfind! #ukedchat

20:22:50 lancslassrach

@janbaker97 @syded06 sorry to tweet drop quite trickyto do that sort of stuff in MFL they do need our input b4they can output #ukedchat

20:22:53 ICTmagic

@oldandrewuk I think a better analogy is that of aLearner driver & instructor - where learning is happening.Doing is learning. #ukedchat

20:22:53 StuartLock

@ewanmcintosh You said "the results are amazing". Tell

me where #ukedchat

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20:23:10 tstarkey1212

@thingsbehindsun Wait, so being an 'informationreceptacle' is a bad thing? Knowing things is a negative?I don't understand. #ukedchat

20:23:30 thechrissyt@jackieschneider love your thoughts. There to facilitate

the learning? #ukedchat

20:23:34 MMcMahonTEP

@oldandrewuk Enjoying the incisiveness of your tweets.Getting rid of BS surrounding child- directed learning onetweet at a time #ukedchat

20:23:35 Sarah__wright1#ukedchat Where is pupil led learning best used? Does itlend itself to a particluar subject? activity?

20:23:37 DebbieHolley1RT @bramleyapplecc: #ukedchat A, B, C of mantle; Allinvolved, Big problems, Community that Cares!!!

20:23:47 bramleyapplecc

#ukedchat understanding that sometimes we need to

lead, sometimes listen, sometimes challenge and moreoften pause and be silent...

20:23:55 londongary

#ukedchat primary pupils definitely benefit from PLLwhen set homework with open quest like 'Show me inany way u like what u know about...

20:24:02 SusancMcCarthy

Do we do things for pupils or with pupils? The answer tothis depends on our view of the potential of the child#ukedchat

20:24:02 davidErogers@Sarah__wright1 Anything outdoors is good for learning

by play and experimentation #ukedchat20:24:05 ICTmagic

@oldandrewuk Surely, doctors/ambulance drivers do notset out to educate. #ukedchat


.@StuartLock Results of student-led learning amazing inthousands of schools. Where to start? Try@SOTSCleveland for one story #ukedchat

20:24:13 lizzie_h18

RT @ICTmagic: I think a better analogy is that of aLearner driver & instructor - where learning is happening.Doing is learning. #Ukedchat

20:24:21 RobAnthony01

@oldandrewuk #ukedchat and part of that should beintroducing them to how they can learn independently,surely.


'Independent learning' is not the most helpful label, nor'pupil led'. We are aiming to stimulate inquiry andfacilitate this. #ukedchat.


#ukedchat As for the idea that education is found within,read the passage from Chesterton at the bottom of this:http://t.co/LSV3kquD


The nursery my 3 yr old goes to has pupil led learning.

It's called play ;-) #ukedchat

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20:24:42 alisoniredaleRT @GrahamBM: How would you design a classroom?http://t.co/8bKoixOf #edchat #UKedchat (12 min vid)

20:24:44 designersblockRT @GrahamBM: How would you design a classroom?http://t.co/8bKoixOf #edchat #UKedchat (12 min vid)

20:24:55 thingsbehindsun Seems apt for #ukedchat tonight RT @philo_quotes Onemust steer, not talk. ~ Seneca

20:25:02 davidErogers@BrightAire for sure - and you can manage risk whilebeing quite invisable to the young people #ukedchat

20:25:05 frogphilp

The elephant in this #ukedchat room is that whateverPLL we try is irrelevant - our broken assessment systemsucks independence out of chn.

20:25:07 LeeDonaghyRT @StuartLock: #ukedchat - dangerous premise - "howdo we?" Surely the first question is "do we?"

20:25:11 ICTmagic RT @thingsbehindsun: Seems apt for #ukedchat tonightRT @philo_quotes One must steer, not talk. ~ Seneca


.@StuartLock The challnge of "show me where" that*many* teachers ask for, is that the correct answer is "goseek". It's all there #ukedchat


RT @SurrealAnarchy: @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat"Topic: Handing over the reins. How do you implementpupil led learning in the classroom?" ...


@cherrylkd They often need a scaffold AND a model in

primary school to give good feedback. Worth doing butteacher HAS to lead #ukedchat


RT @londongary: #ukedchat primary pupils definitelybenefit from PLL when set homework with open questlike 'Show me in any way u like w ...

20:25:31 jackieschneider RT @davidErogers: The nursery my 3 yr old goes to haspupil led learning. It's called play ;-) #ukedchat


RT @bramleyapplecc: #ukedchat understanding thatsometimes we need to lead, sometimes listen,sometimes challenge and more often pause a ...

20:25:38 wilderwoman1

#ukedchat It's all about balance and flexibility. There aretimes for student-led and times for teacher-led. Whyobsess either way ?

20:25:40 katzb21

@Sarah__wright1 i think IT is ideal. All primary teacherswere born in d 20th century while all their pupils wereborn in d21st #ukedchat

20:25:42 DebbieHolley1RT @thingsbehindsun: Seems apt for #ukedchat tonightRT @philo_quotes One must steer, not talk. ~ Seneca

20:25:42 Lochrie

RT @DrJohnLTaylor: 'Better a guide at the side than asage on the stage'. (Alison King) #ukedchat

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20:25:42 bellaaleRT @thingsbehindsun: Seems apt for #ukedchat tonightRT @philo_quotes One must steer, not talk. ~ Seneca


@StuartLock @LeeDonaghy Well said, and moreimportantly 'what is?' and 'what does it loook like?'

#ukedchat20:25:44 Showmyhomework @syded06 @janbaker97 #ukedchat #spoton

20:25:46 aknill@Sarah__wright1 #ukedchat look at @headguruteachers blog and handing over learning with groups

20:25:49 Pekabelo

#ukedchat for me, pupil led learning is as much about nothaving particular expectations as to where learningshould lead. Sky=limit!


@RobAnthony01 @oldandrewuk But then how wouldthey know what to think? #vgotskydontmeanshittome

#ukedchat20:25:51 Lynnewin100

RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat We introduce children tothe world. That is why we teach.

20:25:54 BrightAire

.@davidErogers - as kids develop competence in riskmanagement/learning leadership they can take on amore developed role. #ukedchat

20:25:56 Sarah__wright1RT @thingsbehindsun: Seems apt for #ukedchat tonightRT @philo_quotes One must steer, not talk. ~ Seneca


Anyone who needs evidence try to empower own

students +experience amazing learning themselvesinstead of worrying about change #ukedchat

20:25:58 bekblayton#ukedchat looks as divisive as ever! Hope everyone hada great break...

20:26 DHESolutionsLtd@tstarkey1212 he is making Paulo Friere'spoint...#ukedchat

20:26:03 oliverquinlan#ukedchat needs a much clearer definition of terms,seems to me people are debating very different things.

20:26:05 syded06

Imagine this statement in a classroom you dont need toknow that so dont look it up. I dont care if you areinterested! #ukedchat

20:26:08 oldandrewuk@davidhunter #ukedchat If I did, then I wouldn't teachthem.

20:26:09 kenkenholmes

RT @SurrealAnarchy: @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat"Topic: Handing over the reins. How do you implementpupil led learning in the classroom?" ...

20:26:12 climbdg5RT @davidErogers: The nursery my 3 yr old goes to haspupil led learning. It's called play ;-) #ukedchat

20:26:17 garycorbett7

#ukedchat a positive, when learners have a direct inputon projects. Combined with results they see visually such

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as a community project20:26:18 davidErogers @oliverquinlan I agree Oliver #ukedchat

20:26:21 davidhunter @StuartLock not sure I get you. Content largely decidedfor us. #ukedchat

20:26:25 katzb21 @Sarah__wright1 many pupils r more skilled, competent& inspirational in IT than their teachers #ukedchat


@bramleyapplecc used this when training and saw somegreat work but not come across or used since :( #ukedchat


RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat needs a much clearerdefinition of terms, seems to me people are debatingvery different things.


RT @DebbieHolley1: @DrJohnLTaylor #ukedchat and

we don't know what the skills are children will need - soindependent learning increasin ...

20:27:01 lizzie_h18@Pekabelo absolutely yes#Ukedchat

20:27:07 christully85

Can anyone help please? I'm looking for: Kay, W.(2005)A rose by any other name: but physical educationand sport are not the same #ukedchat


RT @Pekabelo: #ukedchat for me, pupil led learning isas much about not having particular expectations as to

where learning should lead. ...


Pupils 'learn' when interested. That's why they can talkabout every member of their football team but forgetcovalent bonding #ukedchat

20:27:17 StuartLock@davidhunter I think you're arguing that students shoulddecide. I'm saying I disagree. #ukedchat


RT @aknill: @Sarah__wright1 #ukedchat look at@headguruteacher s blog and handing over learningwith groups


@oldandrewuk fair play. rephrase. Anyacknowledgement of effectiveness of other methods thandirect instruction? #ukedchat

20:27:24 benking01@HeyMissSmith @cherrylkd The same applies insecondary, I think. #ukedchat


RT @garycorbett7: #ukedchat a positive, when learnershave a direct input on projects. Combined with resultsthey see visually such as a ...

20:27:29 ICTmagic

@oldandrewuk Out of interest, what age do you teach?Do you think that has a bearing on pupil led learning?#ukedchat

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Pupil Led Learning - is it simply not asking questions towhich you want the 'right' answer as the teacher?#ukedchat


@DebbieHolley1 Nobody is against dialogue in the

classroom, just against forgetting who should lead it.#ukedchat

20:27:45 DHESolutionsLtd

@MMcMahonTEP @oldandrewuk So, has all your ownlearning in life been a result only of following? No leadingat all? #ukedchat


There is a more common sense approach-between theextremes tonight 10 things I know about pupil-ledlearning..http://t.co/4ZanX5kW #ukedchat

20:27:48 StuartLock@LeeDonaghy @davidErogers Ditto on 'should we'? And

my answer is 'no, or at most very rarely' #ukedchat20:27:48 GaryAveryITT

Anyone know of any pupils currently helping Gove designthe new curriculum?? #UKEdChat


#ukedchat Set clear tasks, appropriate resources, someindependent, some scaffolded support, some taught.Evaluate. Learn from outcomes.

20:27:59 syded06@janbaker97 @lancslassrach perhaps. The argument on#ukedchat seems to be about direct instruction


RT @katzb21: @Sarah__wright1 many pupils r more

skilled, competent & inspirational in IT than their teachers#ukedchat


RT @aknill: @Sarah__wright1 #ukedchat look at@headguruteacher s blog and handing over learningwith groups


@LeeDonaghy @StuartLock Should we is yes - when it'sapproriate. It depends on how you define Pupil LedLearning that's the thing #ukedchat

20:28:15 dbctmanRT @davidErogers: The nursery my 3 yr old goes to haspupil led learning. It's called play ;-) #ukedchat

20:28:15 lizzie_h18@nicoladarling78 come to our school!http://t.co/F5o60vDA #Ukedchat


@davidErogers couldn't agree more and they love beingable to answer the questions as they add to the display :)#ukedchat

20:28:30 BrightAire

.@davidErogers - for some kids leadership will always bemainly outside comfort zone. Kids don't learn if high riskof failure. #ukedchat

20:28:32 bekblayton

@Sarah__wright1 Pupil learning can be used

everywhere! ICT is a tool use it to shape pupils learning,

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and your teaching. #ukedchat


@StuartLock Hattie doesn't contradict student-led lrn.Top effects evenly spread btwn students & teach roles:http://t.co/2lAJVHfP #ukedchat

20:28:43 jackieschneider Think about important important stuff YOU have learned -were you passive recipient or did you lead? #ukedchat

20:28:43 StuartLock@davidErogers I can subscribe to that - if that's PLL thenthat's fine. Listen, converse, feedback. #ukedchat

20:28:54 ICTmagic

RT @jackieschneider: Think about important importantstuff YOU have learned - were you passive recipient ordid you lead? #ukedchat


@lizzie_h18 #ukedchat They are linked to deficiency (ofhealth or behaviour). So is teaching. It's meant to

address ignorance not worship it

20:28:54 tstarkey1212

@thingsbehindsun But they'd still have that pass. And tointerpret and analyse, you've got to start with facts#ukedchat

20:28:57 davidErogers@BrightAire Leadership development is a great exampleof pupil led learning - so is enterprise skills #ukedchat

20:28:58 bellaaleDid a teacher tell *you* the sum of everything *you* knowabout everything? #ukedchat

20:29 MissLapere

"@bhwilkoff:Important reflection on both Flipped and

Blended Learning:Why I Gave Up Flipped Instructionhttp://t.co/sDElkDNE #PLP" #ukedchat


RT @GaryAveryITT: Anyone know of any pupilscurrently helping Gove design the new curriculum??#UKEdChat


RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Set clear tasks,appropriate resources, some independent, somescaffolded support, some taught. Evaluate. L ...

20:29:07 GaryAveryITT@ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Set clear tasks.... Evaluate.Learn from outcomes. - Agreed, balance is everything


The role model for anyone who believes that the mostimportant thing is to teach students to think forthemselves is Socrates. #ukedchat.

20:29:08 080BelleRT @davidErogers: The nursery my 3 yr old goes to haspupil led learning. It's called play ;-) #ukedchat

20:29:12 oldandrewukRT @ICTwitz: @oldandrewuk For once, I actually agreewith you there. Happy new year. #ukedchat


RT @bramleyapplecc: #ukedchat understanding thatsometimes we need to lead, sometimes listen,sometimes challenge and more often pause a ...

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20:29:21 Lindseysg

RE http://t.co/klX95kSQ @rc_newman I'm following#ukedchat about students led learning and mantle of theexpert keeps coming up!


.@StuartLock Teachers doing their own research isn't a

cop-out. It's expected part of being a professional (inScotland, at least) #ukedchat


@StuartLock I think that most teachers take part in someform of pupil led learning, it;s at the small scale#ukedchat

20:29:28 bramleyappleccRT @lizzie_h18: @nicoladarling78 come to our school!http://t.co/F5o60vDA #Ukedchat


RT @aknill: @Sarah__wright1 #ukedchat look at@headguruteacher s blog and handing over learning

with groups

20:29:34 katzb21

@GaryAveryITT well maybe thats where they shd b. Ashared vision by all stakeholders might bring about stgamazing. #ukedchat

20:29:38 aknill

RT @davidErogers: @ukedchat thank you - my firstreaction would be why limit it to the classroom? ;-)#ukedchat

20:29:45 PeterSpencer88

@StuartLock @davidhunter but some choice should begiven. Learning to make choices, work independently,something they will need #ukedchat


@StuartLock don't believe in 'handing over the reins'.dobelieve that chn should have time to be guided thru theirown interests.#ukedchat


I have 6 teams of young people setting up business withminimal help from me - is this pupil led learning?#ukedchat

20:30 jackieschneider @davidErogers - that is a REAL danger. Way too much"can u guess what I want u 2 say? #ukedchat


Philosophical enquiry should be embedded within thewhole curriculum, to stimulate deeper thought andengagement with learning. #ukedchat.


RT @jackieschneider: @davidErogers - that is a REALdanger. Way too much "can u guess what I want u 2say? #ukedchat

20:30:18 web20education

Please Be Sociable.Share on #facebook #googleplus#linkedin #socialmedia #curation articlehttp://t.co/paQv1af3 #edchat #ukedchat #toolschat


My students love projects and exhibiting work improves

engagement and quality. Cross curricular or remove

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traditional subjects #ukedchat


@dandesignthink Yes. It's place is when there isn't acompetent teacher available. It's first aid, not medicine.#ukedchat

20:30:30 JL3001 RT @timbuckteeth: The future of classroomshttp://t.co/GpaaaZjh #edchat #ukedchat

20:30:33 BrightAire

They're too scared. It's about moving in a controlled way,and probably slowly. Teacher always remains "realleader" #ukedchat #apparentrisk

20:30:36 PeterSpencer88@GaryAveryITT or any teachers for that matter?#ukedchat

20:30:39 RevErasmus

#ukedchat why either passive recipient or leadinglearning? Is there no middle ground? Get a grip people,

another manufactured argument.20:30:45 HeyMissSmith

@danielharvey9 @cherrylkd Children need to know whois in control of the lesson #ukedchat


@jackieschneider Exactly - and all we do is increase therisk of total faliure when they don;'t give the 'right' answer#ukedchat

20:30:55 oldandrewukRT @janboo: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat Agree with youAndrew - total nonsense

20:30:55 DrJohnLTaylor Philosophical teaching gets students thinking for

themselves. http://t.co/NVS6wvZh #ukedchat


#ukedchat Does PLL allow pupils more ownership oftheir learning? Do you think it increases intrinsicmotivation or interest?


@jackieschneider a bit of both. I think #patience ismissing today. Learners want the answers quickly. Thejourney is just as key #ukedchat

20:31:15 oldandrewuk @lizzie_h18 Nope. I didn't forget. #ukedchat

20:31:15 bellaale

RT @RevErasmus: #ukedchat why either passiverecipient or leading learning? Is there no middle ground?Get a grip people, another manufa ...

20:31:16 Pekabelo

@jackieschneider: Think about important important stuffYOU have learned - were you passive recipient or didyou lead? #ukedchat >>YES!

20:31:20 bekblayton

RT @RevErasmus: #ukedchat why either passiverecipient or leading learning? Is there no middle ground?Get a grip people, another manufa ...


RT @jackieschneider: Think about important importantstuff YOU have learned - were you passive recipient ordid you lead? #ukedchat

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20:31:48 familysimpson

#ukedchat getting pupils excited about a topic, allowingthem to develop questions to investigate and shareresults.

20:31:55 thingsbehindsunConduct the odd lesson or prep on Twitter. It can work

#ukedchat

20:31:55 benking01


20:31:57 mrpeel

@DrJohnLTaylor although Socrates led all the dialogue#ukedchat surely balance is the key. Value digressionand exploration but need focus.

20:31:58 SarahLearns

RT @ukedchat: Under 2 hours until #ukedchat @8pmwith @Sarah__Wright1: 'Handing over the reins. How do

you implement pupil led learning ...

20:31:58 MissLapere

Anyone read Alfie Kohn's 'The Homework Myth'?Homework's been a hot topic in our staffroom recently!#uked #ukedchat

20:32:01 nicoladarling78 @lizzie_h18 if only you weren't so far away :) #ukedchat

20:32:03 DHESolutionsLtd@jackieschneider agree! The Eiffel Tower is in...anyone,anyone....starts with P....anyone? #UKedchat


@GaryAveryITT #ukedchat Because of ideology.Progressives have long since discovered the only way to

blind people to the facts is to...


@GaryAveryITT#ukedchatAnyone know anybody helping gove design curriculum

20:32:27 ward_lj

RT @DebbieHolley1: @DrJohnLTaylor #ukedchat andwe don't know what the skills are children will need - soindependent learning increasin ...


Recently started to learn piano cos I wanted to but Iemploy EXCELLENT teacher I trust & follow herguidance EXACTLY #ukedchat

20:32:29 BrightAire

@davidErogers - yes. The aim is always to developleadership capacity. Difficult if kids not given opportunity.#ukedchat


RT @DrJohnLTaylor: Philosophical teaching getsstudents thinking for themselves. http://t.co/NVS6wvZh#ukedchat

20:32:48 StuartLock@ewanmcintosh In fact, that table contradicts yourargument thoroughly #ukedchat


#ukedchat As teachers we are mindful if someone

passes our door and there is chaos we are failing but not

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the case if students are leading.

20:32:56 cherrylkd

@benking01 @heymisssmith True. I'm not a fan of PLL.Margin for error is too great. Scaffolding is a must#ukedchat

20:33:16 ShowmyhomeworkRT @danielharvey9: @GaryAveryITT#ukedchatAnyone know anybody helping gove design curriculum

20:33:17 familysimpson#ukedchat structuring tasks so they require problemsolving or different approaches to learning #challenge


@GaryAveryITT #ukedchat ...talk as if their opinionswere actually based on expertise. PLL is just one of theirmany types of snake oil.


@mrpeel @DrJohnLTaylor It's Zone of Proximal

Development vs Intermental Development Zone. Bothare things of beauty #ukedchat


@bramleyapplecc I experienced it being used almostdaily across the whole school but since then I've notreally experienced. #ukedchat

20:33:23 thingsbehindsunEncourage pupils to blog, either on their own or as aclass blog #ukedchat


RT @cherrylkd: @benking01 @heymisssmith True. I'mnot a fan of PLL. Margin for error is too great. Scaffolding

is a must #ukedchat

20:33:30 bellaale

RT @Sarah__wright1: #ukedchat Does PLL allow pupilsmore ownership of their learning? Do you think itincreases intrinsic motivation or ...

20:33:34 Julian3576

#ukedchat This my old class during pupil led projectbased upon house design morphed into Tudor shipwrecksalvage: http://t.co/KdYpzRLe


#ukedchat Teachers are the lead thinkers in a classroom,sometimes direct teaching, sometimes active guide,sometimes support and mentor.

20:33:47 bekblayton

I'd like to hear about real projects/enquiry led learning,teacher led but built with pupil interests...just if..If youhave time #ukedchat


@HeyMissSmith @cherrylkd#ukedchatBut what we are talking about is what the students aredoing and learning that's all


@cherrylkd @benking01 Sometimes I let then 'playteacher' lasts 5 minutes then children are screaming for

me to take charge! :D #ukedchat

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RT @urban_teacher: #ukedchat As teachers we aremindful if someone passes our door and there is chaoswe are failing but not the case i ...

20:34:06 StuartLock @davidhunter can probably subscribe to that #ukedchat

20:34:07 nicoladarling78RT @jackieschneider: Think about important importantstuff YOU have learned - were you passive recipient ordid you lead? #ukedchat

20:34:20 rgreen_SMUC

RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Teachers are the leadthinkers in a classroom, sometimes direct teaching,sometimes active guide, sometimes ...

20:34:23 oldandrewuk @Mr_Chas #ukedchat Only disbelief.

20:34:25 MrsThorne

@davidErogers agree - I had great success w/ y9 doingthis. Lessons planned on what they identified as

necessary to answer the Q #ukedchat


@danielharvey9 @GaryAveryITT I thought the point wasthat everyone he got on the design committee he ignored#ukedchat

20:34:27 MrsPTeach What about PIL (Pupil Inspired Learning)? #ukedchat

20:34:30 climbdg5PLL: GCSE group co-constructing whole unit? SLTlukewarm tho! :-) #ukedchat

20:34:35 Wonderacademy#ukedchat There's a clue in the title pupil-led learning:some classes will need leadership. http://t.co/4ZanX5kW

20:34:39 jackieschneider I love practising the piano but if some interfering teacherstarted assessing for their own targets I would refuse toplay #ukedchat

20:34:41 BrightAire

@davidErogers - yes. If that's what they think they'vedone too. Done well to develop such confidence in theirown leadership. #ukedchat

20:34:54 pibbott

@jackieschneider #ukedchat Pretty much told everythingimportant. Didn't listen though and found out for myself.#storyofmylife


@MrsThorne And it means you often cover some reallyinteresting stuff too that you may have overlookedotherwise #ukedchat

20:35 mrgibbenglish

@Sarah__wright1: #ukedchat // as long as task ismeaningful, engaging&allows learners2explore theirinterests within it, PLL def raises it!


RT @Julian3576: #ukedchat This my old class duringpupil led project based upon house design morphed intoTudor shipwreck salvage: http: ...


.@StuartLock A teacher-led classroom has no place forfeedback beyond grades, appreciation of EVERY kids'

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cog ability... #ukedchat

20:35:05 Teachric

Once again #ukedchat is LOL. Who picks these pollchoices? How about "how can we as teachers forceSLT's to listen to us?"

20:35:12 Sarah__wright1RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Teachers are the leadthinkers in a classroom, sometimes direct teaching,sometimes active guide, sometimes ...


@DrJohnLTaylor I'm really looking forward to gettingback into p4c this term... Going to try and introduce intothis school #ukedchat

20:35:22 cherrylkd

@danielharvey9 @heymisssmith I need 2 be told what 2learn, and then get on and do it. Teacher led first, & chlearn this way too #ukedchat

20:35:25 tstarkey1212 RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Teachers are the leadthinkers in a classroom, sometimes direct teaching,sometimes active guide, sometimes ...


RT @pibbott: @jackieschneider #ukedchat Pretty muchtold everything important. Didn't listen though and foundout for myself. #storyofmylife


#ukedchat Task setting is hypothesis. I think you can dothis... Teachers are classroom researchers.http://t.co/TGBcY6at

20:35:34 MrsThorne @davidErogers was a great test of my questioning skillsto tease out what they needed as well as wanted, butthey had ownership #ukedchat


@HeyMissSmith @cherrylkd More you do it, better theywill get surely? Need to develop that trusting atmosphere#ukedchat #dontcallmeshirley

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@mrpeel #ukedchat Not really. It's just that secondaryteachers spend so much time undoing the damage theysoon realise they need to teach.

20:35:55 JackcabnoryCan't wait to be able til I can make a full contribution to#ukedchat - need to study my ass off

20:35:56 Teachric

As usual @oldandrewuk has taken the nail and smashedit completely to smithereens with his tweets during#ukedchat


.@StuartLock A teacher-led classroom doesn't careabout remediation or the disposition to learn. It's ALL abt

direct quality inst #ukedchat

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with which to build on. Without this will learners be ableto cope with PLL? #ukedchat


@MrsThorne Yes - you can work on the quality ofstudents' own questions too #ukedchat which is essential

in geographical enquiry


@edidaktik #ukedchat Dewey was a cock-eyed optimist.He thought boys playing football organised themselveswithout a hierarchy.


Why do schools make such heavy weather of it? Kidscome to us at 4 full of ideas, passion, solutions &massive thirst 4 knowledge #ukedchat

20:37:39 dialogicreading @Sarah__wright1 Mercer 2008 says Yes #ukedchat20:37:46 HalLRoberts @syded06 makes my heart hurt #ukedchat

20:37:50 bramleyapplecc RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Teachers are the leadthinkers in a classroom, sometimes direct teaching,sometimes active guide, sometimes ...

20:37:51 mrpeel

@oldandrewuk #ukedchat I do feel that pain! Believe me!But always need some room to explore and digress-that's all

20:37:51 SarahLearnsOff colour tonight, but wanted to add. PLL is not all ornothing. Collaboration is important. #ukedchat

20:37:51 climbdg5

Pedagogy:from Greek "to lead the child". Herein lies the

truth. PLL=pupils leading pupils. #ukedchat#dropedujargon



20:37:52 katzb21 @MissLapere great point! #ukedchat

20:37:53 Teachric

RT @DCallanIT: A collection of scratch resourceshttp://t.co/piGlxNFU #scratched #scratch #ictcurric#edchat #edtech #ukedchat #niedchat ...

20:37:56 familysimpson#ukedchat so what is the difference between PLL andPBL?


RT @davidErogers: Read this journey and then tell methat there's no room for pupil led learninghttp://t.co/VBmotn6y #ukedchat

20:38:01 tstarkey1212@PeterSpencer88 @jackieschneider But sometimes,without instruction, you plateau. #ukedchat


Students should go to school to practice learningdispositions and habits to prepare them for a future thatis changing #ukedchat

20:38:16 Showmyhomework RT @Teachric: Once again #ukedchat is LOL. Who picks

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these poll choices? How about "how can we as teachersforce SLT's to listen to us?"

20:38:22 SarahLearnsWe only have to watch children play to see the potential.#ukedchat

20:38:22 davidErogersOur young people resdesign and evaluate our curriculum@priorygeography and co-plan lessons with teachers.Pupil Led Learning. #ukedchat

20:38:25 bellaale


20:38:26 ICTmagic

RT @SarahLearns: Off colour tonight, but wanted to add.PLL is not all or nothing. Collaboration is important.#ukedchat

20:38:29 StuartLock @ewanmcintosh Says who? Not in my classroom. WhichI lead. #ukedchat

20:38:29 ewanmcintoshSorry I have to jump out of #ukedchat - fascinatingdiscussion but wailing kids need help getting to bed :-)

20:38:34 oldandrewuk@PeterSpencer88 #ukedchat Yes. If the knowledge is inthe teacher, let them share it.


RT @davidErogers: Read this journey and then tell methat there's no room for pupil led learninghttp://t.co/VBmotn6y #ukedchat

20:38:39 bellaale RT @bramleyapplecc: #ukedchat understanding thatsometimes we need to lead, sometimes listen,sometimes challenge and more often pause a ...

20:38:39 StuartLock

RT @Teachric: Once again #ukedchat is LOL. Who picksthese poll choices? How about "how can we as teachersforce SLT's to listen to us?"

20:38:48 SarahLearns Also, the UNCRC applies here. #ukedchat


Our young people write school wide policies that shapethe quality of their education. Pupil Led Learning#ukedchat

20:38:55 mrgibbenglish

PLL framework should be flexible enough4learners, espw/assigned (either by teacher or pupil) roles to exploreown interests #ukedchat

20:38:55 garycorbett7#ukedchat enquiry should be promoted in all lessons.Developing thinking skills are important

20:38:55 HeyMissSmith @oldandrewuk @mrpeel What damage? #ukedchat

20:39:04 benking01

@Sarah__wright1 When students are left to be fullyindependent, without any scaffolding, most will fail; that'sNOT how to do it! #ukedchat

20:39:15 jackieschneider @PeterSpencer88 - without my wanting to learn the

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teacher would have been useless. But I need her badlyto make progress #ukedchat

20:39:19 mrpeel

@SurrealAnarchy @drjohnltaylor #ukedchat but theyseemed to come back for more. Mind you if we all faced

OFSTED with Socrates calmness...


My main point is that we need to stop thinking of learningas something that happens in classrooms at all.#ukedchat

20:39:23 benking01RT @davidErogers: The nursery my 3 yr old goes to haspupil led learning. It's called play ;-) #ukedchat


@cristinataboada @frogphilp #ukedchat Teachingchildren to be creative is like teaching them to breathe,excrete or pick on the fat kid.

20:39:37 travelgeordie @familysimpson: #ukedchat so what is the differencebetween PLL and PBL? PLL is students asking thequestions PBL working towards exhibit

20:39:38 bramleyapplecc

#ukedchat the social health of the class must beconsidered. Scaffolds can be tight then get looser asresponsibility is taken on.


.@StuartLock Jolly good to that sliding scale in actionthere ;-) You're confident in finding that balance. Feware. #ukedchat

20:39:47 rkieran @bekblayton #ukedchat Come and visit. It is a thing ofbeauty. #mantleoftheexpert

20:39:49 benking01


20:39:50 StuartLock@urban_teacher So you don't need to go to work anymore? #ukedchat

20:39:56 oldandrewuk@cristinataboada @frogphilp #ukedchat Why not teachthem things they don't already know how to do?


@ewanmcintosh #ukedchat Explicitly instruct them tosleep and they will do so. Otherwise they wont knowwhat to do when tired. Apparently


@StuartLock Good Point! As teachers we need to stopplaying it safe! To please the higher powers#notplayingthegame #ukedchat

20:40 wilderwoman1

@travelgeordie multidisciplinary subjects such as MediaStudies allow students to lead and run with productionwork #ukedchat


@tstarkey1212 @PeterSpencer88 - EXACTLY! I need

her expertise but only becos I am motivated myself!

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#ukedchat


#ukedchat Is pupil led learning 'brave' teaching, forexample, would you incorporate aspects of PLL into anobservation lesson?

20:40:07 nicoladarling78 @mrlockyer @mrsprentice11 @kathrinedavies I love it!#ukedchat

20:40:08 Julian3576

#ukedchat: Pupil led learning is making elephants,finding out they escape & wondering why some havebecome heavy: http://t.co/BBtMx4Tu


@cherrylkd @heymisssmith#ukedchatAgreed for any topic clarification of content is teacherresponsibility

But how they get there

20:40:14 MissMidgley

I ran takeover day, and students get to decide whattopics are taught and how we 'do' them. They love it!#ukedchat


#ukedchat Pupils developing as Learners takes time, wellordered classrooms, clarity of direction, space and timeto explore. Watch EYFS.


RT @DrJohnLTaylor: A guide to using a philosophicalapproach to help students learn to think for themselves.http://t.co/OLehElxX #ukedchat

20:40:28 BrightAire

@oldandrewuk - is yr prob with pupil-led learn - 1.Fundamental/philosiphical, 2. Semantic, 3. How it'spracticed, 4. Somat else? #ukedchat


@misslkelly There are a few more now - I should puttogether a list but I'm pants at being organised!!#ukedchat there's someone at Girls sc


.@StuartLock The work I'm interested in is seekingspecific tools, tactics and whole-school strategies thatmake lrn better #ukedchat


RT @SarahLearns: Off colour tonight, but wanted to add.PLL is not all or nothing. Collaboration is important.#ukedchat



20:40:40 bekblaytonRT @rkieran: @bekblayton #ukedchat Come and visit. Itis a thing of beauty. #mantleoftheexpert


@dialogicreading @cherrylkd Even in an atmosphere of

complete trust children want guidance from their teacher.

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#ukedchat


OfstedFramework doesn't mention PLL but uses thephrase -often inspirational teaching strategies, engagedand motivated children. #UKEdChat

20:40:57 thingsbehindsun*only* in classrooms - agreed RT @davidErogers weneed to stop thinking of learning as something thathappens in classrooms at all #ukedchat

20:41:08 cherrylkd

@danielharvey9 @heymisssmith Think we may bebasically arguing same point. It's a strange #ukedchattonight


RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Pupils developing asLearners takes time, well ordered classrooms, clarity ofdirection, space and time to ...

20:41:11 Sarah__wright1 RT @davidErogers: Our young people write school widepolicies that shape the quality of their education. PupilLed Learning #ukedchat

20:41:13 GaryAveryITT Is PLL an inspirational teaching strategy? #UKEdChat


@hawkins_joyce And look at the resultshttp://t.co/VBmotn6y I only guided and supported - theyeven bossed me about at the end #ukedchat

20:41:14 Pekabelo

@oldandrewuk @cristinataboada @frogphilp it's notabout teaching them, it's about giving them the

opportunity to be creative. #ukedchat

20:41:14 web20education

Pls rt 2012 year in review #mentormob web tour withover 100 #socialmedia #startup #edtoolshttp://t.co/hl1TSrtU #edchat #tlchat #ukedchat


.@StuartLock You know from Hattie's work that ANYteacher input will help. I'm interested in those whichteachers struggle w/ most #ukedchat

20:41:16 preevyet

RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat The autonomous child leftto discover the world by the progressive teacher is notbased on anything other tha ...

20:41:26 [email protected] they both apply AND challengeconceptual and practical frameworks #ukedchat

20:41:29 StuartLock

There are fixed whiteboards (one for each group) andmarker pens (to use desks as a whiteboard) in myclassroom. #ukedchat

20:41:37 GaryAveryITT @Pekabelo That I like! :o) #UKEdChat

20:41:38 TLABerkhamsted

@bekblayton One example can be found here although itdoes not go as far as others appear to want:http://t.co/VwgNmyMR #ukedchat

20:41:41 ewanmcintosh .@StuartLock Those ones happen to be the tactics on

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that list that involve students taking more control#ukedchat

20:41:45 A_Weatherall

I want to block #ukedchat from my timeline tonight. Notbecause of topic but because of lack of nuanced

discussion. All or nothing. Pah!


RT @bramleyapplecc: #ukedchat the social health of theclass must be considered. Scaffolds can be tight then getlooser as responsibilit ...


MT @MissLapere: Guy Claxton's work especially thebuilding learning power has been influential in myclassroom. It's practical #ukedchat

20:41:57 preevyet

RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat The greatest effect onlearning stems from teacher feedback and direct

instruction.

20:42:01 StuartLock

Students can work through problems collaboratively, andoften do #ukedchat - and often questions they've askedbased on my teaching

20:42:08 JackWmediaRT @GrahamBM: How would you design a classroom?http://t.co/8bKoixOf #edchat #UKedchat (12 min vid)

20:42:11 urban_teacher @StuartLock I that's the aim lol #ukedchat


@HeyMissSmith @cherrylkd Up to a point. But nothingwrong with free-exploration or you risk causing dysplay

#coloradopaper #ukedchat20:42:22 bramleyapplecc

RT @rkieran: @bekblayton #ukedchat Come and visit. Itis a thing of beauty. #mantleoftheexpert


@thingsbehindsun Thank you. It's frustrating that we limitour discussions and thoughts to the classroom level.#ukedchat

20:42:29 Os190

Is the modern day pupil all too quick to trust internetresources? Research is a bit more than just tapping intoGoogle or wiki #ukedchat

20:42:35 StuartLock

And they can all be working on different aspects atdifferent difficulty. They can also be asked to explore aconcept #ukedchat


@cherrylkd @heymisssmith#ukedchat surely that's the important thingObjective evidence suggests it can have a big impact onlearning

20:42:39 Stephen_Logan

RT @davidErogers: My main point is that we need tostop thinking of learning as something that happens inclassrooms at all. #ukedchat

20:42:41 Sarah__wright1 RT @MissMidgley: I ran takeover day, and students get

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to decide what topics are taught and how we 'do' them.They love it! #ukedchat

20:42:41 cristinataboada

@oldandrewuk @frogphilp I didn't suggest teachingthem, I suggested 'supporting' them. Some children need

help doing all three! #ukedchat


@bramleyapplecc I did enjoy it and to some extent willbe starting to in my next topic... Will see how it goes#ukedchat

20:42:51 dialogicreading@A_Weatherall #ukedchat 140 characters to fix thecurriculum innit


@RobAnthony01 Some people saw their own arm off toescape from a crevice. Doesn't mean being helped bymountain rescue is bad. #ukedchat

20:43:02 StuartLock But all of those are clearly planned and directed (ie led)by me, the teacher. #ukedchat

20:43:07 MargHatfieldOh no, all this facilitator cr*p rearing its misinformed headagain! #ukedchat

20:43:08 urban_teacher @pibbott @StuartLock Good Point! Tell the SLT Teamthat! #ukedchat

20:43:27 ICTmagic

@A_Weatherall Agreed. I think it is one of those topicswhere you are passionately for or against pupil ledlearning. Alas! #ukedchat

20:43:28 cherrylkd @dialogicreading Sorry, I'm still agreeing with@HeyMissSmith Guidance needed even when trust isthere #ukedchat

20:43:31 jackieschneider @davidhunter - there parents do! #ukedchat

20:43:38 MrsThorne

@A_Weatherall I know. I feel a bit sorry for the peoplewho voted for this topic and aren't getting any help with it#ukedchat

20:43:39 aknillRT @davidErogers: The nursery my 3 yr old goes to haspupil led learning. It's called play ;-) #ukedchat


@ewanmcintosh: MT @MissLapere: Guy Claxtons workis great for a shared language easy for students andfacilitators #ukedchat

20:43:43 tstarkey1212@jackieschneider @PeterSpencer88 I think motivation,in all things, is key in learner led. #ukedchat

20:43:43 cristinataboada@Pekabelo @oldandrewuk @frogphilp Exactly!#ukedchat


#ukedchat Criterion based expectations show thedirection of travel, guide in-lesson discussion andsupports evaluation. group/individual

20:43:46 davidErogers @Stephen_Logan Nail on the head. How many projects

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aren't led by the people leading them and not the boss?#ukedchat

20:43:49 Julian3576

#ukedchat sorry... working link for Tudor house projectthat lead to Aztec treasure found in shipwreck:

http://t.co/Cll1sosP

20:44 simonrockett

#ukedchat It's been interesting tonight, esp since I'mcurrently 6000 words into an MA essay on this very topic.see http://t.co/72Sww09K

20:44:05 londongary

RT @Julian3576: #ukedchat: Pupil led learning is makingelephants, finding out they escape & wondering whysome have become heavy: h ...


RT @Julian3576: #ukedchat sorry... working link forTudor house project that lead to Aztec treasure found in

shipwreck: http://t.co/Cll1sosP


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