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TENNESSEE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING
SR 71 (US-441, CHAPMAN HWY)
FROM SOUTH OF SIMPSON ROAD
TO HENDRON CHAPEL ROAD
KNOX COUNTY
APRIL 21, 2016
HELD AT:
VALLEY GROVE BAPTIST CHURCH
9000 SEVIERVILLE PIKE, KNOXVILLE, TN 37920
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
TITLE SHEET 1
TABLE OF CONTENTS 2
OPENING STATEMENTS BY MR. NAGI 3-6
PRESENTATION BY MR. BORDEN 7-17
PRESENTATION BY MR. OLIVER 18-28
QUESTION/ANSWER SESSION 29-38
COMMENTS 39-46
CERTIFICATE 47
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OPENING STATEMENTS BY MR. NAGI:
MR. NAGI: Thank you, guys, we really
appreciate that. Can you hear everybody? My name is
Mark Nagi. I'm the Community Relations Officer for
TDOT in Region 1, which is our 24 East Tennessee
County region. We're here tonight at Valley Grove
Baptist Church to discuss the State Route 71 safety
project, which starts from south of Simpson Road to
Hendron Chapel Road. Joining us tonight from the
Tennessee Department of Transportation are from TDOT
Headquarters in Nashville, Strategic Transportation
Investments Division Director Steve Allen and Nermine
Nashed. TDOT Regional Director/Assistant Chief
Engineer Steven Borden. TDOT Director of Operations
Amanda Snowden. TDOT Director of Project Development
Danny Oliver. And from TDOT Project Development are
Christie Brown, John Barrett, Eric Wilson, Stacy
Weaver, Mike Russell, Suzanne Thomson, Kaitlyn Baer,
John Parrish and Sarah Christopher. From TDOT's
Traffic Office we have Nathan Vatter and Andrew
Padget. From TDOT Design Maysoon Haddad, Jay Morgan,
Randy Plummer, David Jordan, Jennifer Pollard, and
Kenny Kerley. From TDOT's Right of Way Division,
Andrea Hall, Gaylon Hill, Amy Cooper, Steve Head,
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Phil Addison, Denice Hagler, Tina Newman, Caleb
Underwood and Roger Cameron. And from TDOT
Consultant Arcadis is Clint Butler. Coming up in
just a few minutes we will have a short presentation
and following the presentation we will have TDOT
representatives throughout the church available to
answer any questions you may have. Once again this
is a TDOT Design Public Meeting which means that you
have a few ways to get your comments officially on
the record. We have a court reporter present. Right
now she's at the front of the room. Following the
presentation she'll just be a few feet away through
the door, and she'll be here to take any comments you
have. She's also recording the entire session so
she's here to take down any comments that you have.
She can also be available until 7:00. We have, when
you walked in there were comment cards and pens up
front. If you want you can write your comments down
and hand those to us tonight. If you want to take
some time to think about it you can take the cards
home, send them back to us. You have twenty-one days
from today to do that to make sure they're officially
on the record if you do choose to send them in. In
addition following the presentation tonight we will
have about a fifteen or twenty minute public question
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answer session for anyone that may have any general
questions about this project. The questions that are
not related to this section of the Chapman Highway
from Simpson to Hendron Chapel, we ask that you wait
and talk to us following the Q and A or make your
comment to the court reporter. Before we go any
further are there any members of the media here with
us tonight? And your organizations, please?
MS. WATSON: The Mountain Press.
MS. ?: News Sentinel.
MS. ?: Seymour Herald.
MR. NAGI: Okay, also Representative Dale
Carr, Senator Mickey Nassi and Representative Eddie
Smith wanted to be here tonight but unfortunately
they are still working in Nashville. They're in a
legislative session. They do pass along their
regrets. Are there any other public officials here
with us tonight? Please stand and say your name and
the office you represent.
(MOST OF THIS PORTION OF THE RECORDING INDISCERNIBLE
BUT MANY KNOX AND SEVIER COUNTY COMMISSION MEMBERS
WERE PRESENT)
MR. THORPES: Lester Thorpes,
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(indiscernible) 9th District.
MR. BROWN: Mike Brown, and I'm county
commissioner (indiscernible).
MR. HAGGARD: Greg Haggard, Sevier County
Commissioner, District (indiscernible).
MR. WRIGHT: Dave Wright, Chair of Knox
County Commission representing the office of the 8th
District.
MR. WATERS: Larry Waters, Sevier County
Mayor.
MR. NAGI: All right. Thank you very much.
For right now I'll turn things over to TDOT Regional
Director and Assistant Chief Engineer Steve Borden
who will begin tonight's presentation. Steve?
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PRESENTATION BY STEVE BORDEN
MR. BORDEN: I'll take this off. I can't
stand in one spot very long. I'm going to walk
around for awhile. The other thing is I have to have
glasses. I hate getting old. I can't see good any
more. Okay, I want to say one thing real quick and I
really thank the hospitality here. Pastor Keys,
thank you and we needed a venue this large obviously
because of the passion that you guys have for this
corridor and I will tell you as a, as a, somebody
that lives here and Amanda Snowden, our Operations
Director, she's actually a South Knoxville girl,
South Knox County, and so we share your passion. You
know for us and, and then Steve Allen is with us from
our Strategic Investment and his life has been about
safety and safety improvements and for us, you know,
that's what we do. I've been with the Department for
twenty-five years and, and Danny Oliver as well was
with us and we share a lot of passion as you do, and,
and so we thank you for being here. You know, you
all being here is very important because we take your
all's input. Several of these projects we're going
to talk about and just shortly, they came because of
you folks, coming to us and sharing with us, said
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hey, we need you to look at something or one of your
representatives, your, your county commissioners or
somebody coming in and saying, hey, there's something
we need to look at, so I thank you all for being
here.
We're going to cover several things.
Obviously Mark has already told us what the, you
know, what project we're looking at here tonight, but
of course Chapman Highway is a pretty long road,
right? Twenty-four miles. And built in the 1930's
so it's been around awhile. It's, it's older than I
am. Maybe older than most people in here. There may
be a few of you that were here when it was built, but
it's been around awhile and over the years we've seen
great growth. There have been widenings and projects
but we all know that there are, there are safety
issues along the corridor that we have worked on and
some that we recognize and this project here tonight
that we're going to talk about is addressing one of
those areas. But in addition to that there are some
other areas that I want to talk about. I would think
probably if I right now polled everybody and said how
many people have a question about another area on
this road other than this and probably about all of
you would raise your hand, or a good portion of you.
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Right? So I want to give you a little bit of
information that, that's beyond just the scope of
this project that's going on. That we're doing right
now. We've worked a whole lot with our, our local
partners, the DCO. We've worked with our, our
counties and our, our, in both Sevier County, Blount
County, Knox County. We've worked with our THP,
highway safety program, we've worked with law
enforcement from Sevier County, Blount County, Knox
County, to address safety issues around here.
Sitting down around the table and saying, guys, what
can we do to get better. I mean, because we've
recognized what's going on and so we want to talk
about a few of those, you know, that we want to
address. When you look at twenty-four miles over the
last fifty years there's been fifty fatalities, but
beyond this project here which is about a mile in
length we have an additional, a little over nine
miles that we're working on right now and I'm going
to walk our way through some of those, but there are
four projects along this corridor in this ten mile,
approximate ten mile section that we have active
projects on that we're trying to get delivered that
are, we're going to address some of the safety
concerns. You know, one of the things that we're
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really working to try to do is to get a center turn
lane where we can. One of those things is that we
see that when we go and take a two lane road that has
high crash or a four lane section that has high crash
rates, when we're able to put a center turn lane in
there we have about a 40% reduction in crashes, so we
recognize that and that's one of the designs we want
to do. Now putting in a center turn lane in a lot of
those areas is very expensive. A project like this,
we've got a couple, three of these that we're looking
at. They're about, on average about ten, twelve
million a mile. Is that right? On the bigger
projects. Yes. When we have to actually widen them
out, so that's very expensive. You know, you put
that across, you know, ten or twelve miles that's a
lot of money. But there are other ways that we can
attack that so I'm going to go through a couple of
these projects that we're, we're looking at right
now. One of the first ones I think we're going to,
Andy, is that right, and then we're going to look at
the seven mile section that goes on Chapman Highway
from the Sevier County from Rogers Road to White
Station Road. It's currently a four lane section. I
think you can see it up on the screen back there
behind you. Obviously it's a four lane section and
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we have a lot of crashes in this area. One of the
things that we've looked at and we've talked with our
local officials, we've not rolled this project
completely out. We're probably coming out and having
like a community meeting here in the near future.
We've already worked a lot with law enforcement,
other safety folks and some of our local officials to
look at it. What we're going to attempt to do here
is to get a center turn lane. When we look at the
volumes on this road they're not, they're real
similar to what's on John Sevier and we look at the
projections of what's there. We actually can
accommodate traffic at a very high level of service
with a three lane section with passing zones. By
doing that we think that we can greatly improve the
safety of the roadway and geometrically we can do a
place where the, the buffer zone with the turn lanes.
It gets, you know, how many people have been sitting
there in a left turn on that road and you're just
worried about somebody coming up behind you.
Absolutely it takes care of that. You get a free,
you get a safe zone to be able to go into, so we're
looking at doing that in that section. That's
probably about two million dollars worth of work.
We're working very diligently to, you know, identify
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funding for it. You know, we've had a, in January I
think on that job around in 2015 with, with, like I
said, all the people I've talked about before, the
Governor's Highway Safety, THP, Knoxville Sheriff's
Office, Sevier County Sheriff's Office, Knoxville
Police Department, looking at corridor issues. This
is one of them that we identified in this seven mile
section. It had fourteen fatalities in it from 2006
to 2015 and a lot of people have incapacitated
injuries. Now if we were talking about trying to
make it into a five lane section it's about eighty-
two million dollars. Eighty-two million dollars, you
know, and Steve will attest to that, when you look at
our budget it's a long ways away for being able to
deliver that and all of us need something to be done
as quickly as possible, right? By doing the plan
we're talking about you're really looking at about
probably between two and three million dollars. I
can deliver it relatively quick. So that's one of
the things. I hope that will help some of you maybe
in areas that you all are thinking about.
Another project that we have is a second
project from Macon Lane near where the Kroger
shopping center is. Right there at Boyd's Creek.
It's a Sevierville Road in Sevier County. It's a 1.2
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mile section of road and Andy is zooming in on it
there. It currently has four travel lanes and then
what we're doing there is we're going to improve it
with a center turn lane, we're going to have
sidewalks on it to serve you better. It's right
there in that Ford Hill area. I know most of you are
familiar with that. That project is currently in the
right of way phase. Our, that one is to get it to
construction in the summer of 2017, I believe, so
that's another project that's on its way. It's a
little more expensive project. This project will
probably be somewhere around sixteen, seventeen
million dollars, somewhere in that area. When you
widen those projects in East Tennessee we've got,
when you build a road in East Tennessee it's real
expensive. You've got a hill on one side and a creek
on the other most every way you go or it's rock,
it's, you know, so it's very expensive to widen. So
that's a project that, that we have underway.
The third location we're looking at is from
Evans Road in Knox County to Burnett's Lane in Blount
County, right there. And that's, that's the section
right here in front of the church. It's about a mile
in length. We're going to include adding a center
turn lane with three foot shoulders on that. We
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anticipate that we'll have right of way funding for
that in the spring/summer of this year. Probably
around, you know, early summer, and that process will
take about twelve to fourteen months. After that we
go to the construction phase and if you're not
familiar with how we fund projects you all may know
because it's been out and there's a lot of, we're a
debt free state. We're one of only five states left
in the nation that has no debt on transportation. We
believe in being fiscally sound. We, we spend the
money on what we have, you know, but we don't spend
on what we don't have. We don't have, basically we
don't bond on our roadway systems. So in doing that
we don't fund a project every phase of it. We
basically fund the initial environmental phase and
preliminary designing a phase and then we'll do,
we'll do right of way when we get to that point and
then the next point, the biggest chunk which is about
80% of the cost is the (indiscernible) construction.
We do that so you're not tying up capital for, you
know, eight or nine years on a project that's not
being delivered and then we can keep our cash flow
going and continue to do that for the State, which is
good for us as taxpayers, which I'm one of them, and
then we become very lean. We're a, our, ninety-one
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cents of every dollar goes back into our projects and
if you, and if you look at that next in line that's
pretty incredible. We only have a 2% adjunct fee, so
we try to be very lean and the fact that we're able
to do that without having debt is a big contributor
to that, so when we talk about funding phases those
are milestones for us. And Daniel can talk and touch
on that just in a little bit, in a little bit later
about that. But that project there, like I said we
were looking at the right of way in the spring, which
we're already in the spring, we're probably looking
at probably early summer for it and finally we'll
look at the section that we're here tonight at
Hendron's Chapel, South of Simpson Road, and like I
said before, you know the Department really
emphasizes community involvement. This project that
we're looking at tonight is because of you guys in
the community. We've met I guess (indiscernible)
2012 with some folks with concerns and from that and
Steve Allen was a big part of that in helping us
figure out a way to get that, get funding and that
safety funds, from that community meeting and your
involvement and your input that's the reason tonight
is so important, guys, and I can't emphasize enough,
you know, Mark talked about it earlier. Get your
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comments to us. You know, you can talk about the
project on the mic, that's great. If you can't get
to that go to the court reporter. If you can't get
to there send us in a comment. Daniel will go over
that, how to do that, and if you need a specific
question, you've got a piece of property somewhere,
whatever you want to talk to us about, we ran off a
lot of names earlier. You know, there's a lot of
folks here. I'm not exactly sure how many, but we
may thirty or so people there, because it's an
important job and we want to be able to sit down and
build that into your questions, so I encourage you to
do that. That's every important. But that community
involvement is how these projects happen and so you
know, I applaud the people that did that, and from
that we were able to develop a project, come up with
a concept and get to where we're at right now. When
you look at this ten mile stretch that I've talked
about these four projects on 50% of the fatalities
along this corridor are in that area, and so that's
the reason we really want to target that area. It's
rural and has less volume of traffic but because of
the speeds and the, and the configuration of the
roads we recognize there was some opportunities for
us to improve it, so that's what we're, we're doing
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with that. You know, this particular project here
had five fatal crashes on it in the last ten years.
There were two hundred and forty-five crashes, that's
a lot. You know, when we really look at things, you
know, you're looking at incapacitating type crashes.
These are dangerous and that's when we see that
really something goes off in our mind that we need to
do something and that's what we're doing here. When
you look at this section, you know, this is an
important section. This whole corridor. These ten
miles represent about thirty-three or thirty-four
million dollars worth of work. That's a, for us
that's a lot when you're a pay as you go state and
you're not bonding things. And we're, we're very
committed to get the funding available, get it
plugged in and get these things to continue to move
and getting delivered to you so that you guys can use
them, so with that I thank you now. I'm going to
turn it over to Danny Oliver, who is our Project
Development Director and he's going to take it from
there. Thank you all.
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PRESENTATION BY MR. OLIVER
MR. OLIVER: Thank you, Steve. Steve is
always hard to follow because he does such a good
job. He's a very, a very good speaker and
(indiscernible). I think one of the, one of the
important things to do since there's so many folks
here tonight is to just to really explain the codes
on the map, what they mean, so when you turn them up
and you look at these, if someone is not available
we're going to make sure someone is available. But
they don't have to be, if you don't want to talk to
anybody, but you can see, but you can see, that you
can see (indiscernible). For, for illustration we've
broke the project up on the screen up here into three
segments and on your hand-out you'll see that
there's, there's three segments spoke about. That
means we've, we've had to, we made some solid tweaks
to the, the cross-section of the roadway and if, if
Andy will go to the next one. To better accommodate
the area, so for Segment 1, which runs from the
beginning of the project just past White School Road,
is, has curbs on it. There's a lot of driveways,
there's a lot of business entrances, and we need to
define those driveways. That's Segment 1. And now
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Segment 2, and Andy, I'll get into this next slide in
a minute. This is going into, this is actually going
into the Segment 1, but just as a general overview,
Segment 2 runs from just past White School Road to
almost near the end of the project in that last
section is really us transitioning and tying into
what's already there. So just a few highlights on
the first section from the beginning of the project
to just past White School Road is, one, it has curbs.
There are two retaining walls on this section. The
overall project has six retaining walls, and just
like Steve was saying, a lot of our projects are
between a, a mountain and a, and a stream. Well, we
have that on Chapman Highway. Just, you could throw
a rock and you'll either hit a stream or you'll hit a
bluff or a mountain. So to prevent from removing the
whole thing or impacting streams we put in some
retaining walls where they were needed, so you'll see
that we have two sections and, and those are colored
in blue, so when you come up here you'll see the
blue, the blue lines next to the roadway and that's,
that's where the retaining wall is. Another
highlight on the first section of the, of the project
is realigning E Circle Drive. So it kind of comes
into this skew right now and we want our roadways to
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come in at ninety degrees so, so you can see how to
enter better and the folks on Chapman Highway can see
you entering and, and accommodate for that. One
thing we ended up doing on West Circle Drive is, as
those of you know that's from around here, West
Circle Drive sets up a lot higher than Chapman
Highway and comes down pretty, pretty steep, so we
could not, and we could have, we could have
straightened the road out and come in on a ninety,
but you would wipe out I don't know how many homes to
do it and to lower it to where you could come in
really good, those slopes just, just take a lot, it
impacts a lot. So we're close-, our plan calls for
closing that roadway on that end and cul-de-sacing
that piece of, of West Circle Drive South. So going
into, I think that gets me through the, through the
Segment 1 improvements.
So Segment 2, from White School Road to
west of, just west of Bower Field, so our cross-
section changes just slightly to where we don't have
the, we don't have the curbs, but we still have a
center twelve foot lane, two eleven foot lanes in
each direction so we have five lanes total and with
three foot of shoulder. And you know, that greater
than three foot, that greater than two foot shoulder,
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the three foot shoulder really is a safety feature
for us that we see a reduction in vehicles leaving
the roadway when we have a shoulder of great than two
feet, and that's why this is a, that's why we're
using that typical on this section and the other
section here in front of the church. There was a
couple of retaining walls. We've got a wall, and if
you'll come up here to the displays after the
meeting, wall 4, 5, and 6, they are just like I said
before, they protect the stream and I think that wall
4, if we didn't put it in we would be laying the
mountain back and then we don't want to have to do
that, so another highlight from this section is
Simpson Road at the bottom of the screen and he's got
his mouse kind of pointing at it and he'll zoom in
for us. If you came out Simpson Road into entering
into Chapman Highway you felt yourself sitting at
kind of an incline. Well, the eyes on the Chapman
Highway have a harder time seeing you and then you
don't feel near as, as comfortable coming up and then
getting (indiscernible), so what we've done there is
raise that up to where there's a more level platform,
so it's easier to, for ingress and egress that you're
not coming up and then leveling off, so it's a lot
easier to turn left and turn right and come out so
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that's, that's the improvement there on East Simpson
and from there to the end of the project is really
the third section, is just a transition and I'll let
Andy catch me up on slides, but it's that last
section there on, on Section 3. It's really a
transition to the five lane section near Highland
View Drive, back into what we have. So that tells
you about what, how to come up and decipher the, the
displays we have. We have a display, I think we have
one, we may have two in the front now. We started
off with one, but a lot of folks were really looking
at those so we, we talked about adding another one,
but we do have two here. I've got one more in the
hallway so as you come up and look at these displays
there's a legend and it also goes over the different
cross-sections. You can see where we're proposing
guardrail and things like that so hopefully from what
I've covered so far you, that will help you out when
looking at these maps. And Steve walked over the
other three sections, or three projects on Chapman
Highway. If you go down the hall, because I expect
that not everybody here is just for this project
only. They've got, and I've, I've asked, and I see
some smiles in the crowd that says yeah, you're right
and I've talked to some of you, and that's great
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because we have exhibits in the, down the hall for
the section here in front of the church and there's,
there's professionals back there that's worked on
that project that can answer all the questions about
that. We also have another section for the larger
project at Fort Hill from (indiscernible) 338, we
have an exhibit there and some, some folks to talk
about that. We also have right of way staff if you
have any questions or if you've been contacted about,
you know, somebody entering the property to do some
surveys and kind of how all that process works, there
will be some right of way staff there on, at those
stations for those exhibits. We also have our
traffic operations office and I don't know if he's in
the room but he's back there also. Nathan Vatter,
they called his name out. He's hiding back there
behind (indiscernible). He's back there for, to
discuss all those other projects and like Steve said,
if you've got another project on Chapman Highway, if
you know of an area that, that needs some attention
Nathan is all ears. And I would say Nathan is one of
the State's best at doing that and I'll, and I won't
back up on that statement. I think that's a very
true statement.
So where we're at in the process on this
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project is that we're in the design phase and Steve
talked about funding projects in different phases and
we don't fund a project from beginning to end all at
once because (indiscernible) and there's a lot of
reasons for that, but the first three pieces of that,
if you'll look behind me at Planning, Environmental
and Design, and we call those preliminary engineering
funds. And that's, that's where this project is, so
it's been funded for that much and that lets you know
the Department is serious about this. The next phase
is the right of way phase which a key part to get
into the right of way phase is having this meeting
and getting all of your comments and, and if you have
comments about this project specifically get them on
record. Talk to the court reporter or talk to, or
write the comment out. You can mail it to us like
Mark said or put it in the boxes. There's a box back
there in the hallway that will take those comment
cards. That puts it on official record and we
address every one of those. Before, and so to get to
the right of way phase we're looking at probably some
time this fall, near the end of the year, closer to
the fall to have this thing ready, the plans ready.
The plans right now are about 40% plans, so we have
to continue, we'll get your comments in, we'll
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address and we'll move forward on the design, getting
it good enough to buy property off of. One we get in
the right of way phase, just like the section that's
here in front of the church, it's about a twelve to
fourteen month period. This project has
approximately right now, because I said 40% plans,
we're looking about fifteen tracts for either
acquisition, you know what I did? I told you all I
was going to tell you about these, the displays. I
didn't tell you about the displays, did I? All
right, your color is on the display. The purple is
the disturbed area. Now I know I didn't say this so
I'm glad something caught me there. The purple is
the, is the disturbed area. That's where we will be
cutting down a little bit where we'll be filling in
and this orange is the area that we're going to have
to acquire, and Andy is doing a real good job. He's
going to zoom in there in just a little bit and he's
going to show you what I'm talking about, but these
are the areas that we're going to have to acquire,
either by easement or by buying it as real right of
way to construct the project. So that's the two
colors there that you really need to be looking at
and seeing how that impacts your property. So your
yellow is the shoulder. Steve Allen, you think being
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the Director of Strategic Transportation, that's his
division (indiscernible). The yellow is the shoulder
and the, the aqua color is curb and guttering. So
that's where we'll have curb and guttering, so that's
where you've got curbing and the, and the concrete
gutter on the, on the plan. So a project like this
just like the one in front of the church here, it
takes about twelve to fourteen months for us to
acquire the right of way. And each milestone is
depending on available funding. We anticipate having
the right of way funds for this, like I said maybe
near the, in the fall of this year, just like we
anticipate having the right of way funds for the
section in front of the church later on this summer.
So going to the next one we'll talk about
comments and that will conclude the presentation or
the formal presentation piece. I will just kind of
reiterate we need your comments, we want your
comments. That's, that's the reason we're out here
is for public comment and to get those on record to
know that we've addressed everything that, that you
all have thought of, too. So you can submit your
written comments on the comment cards, the comments
sheets, you can mail those in. You've got twenty-one
days. Did we run out? Oh, man. Well, I'll tell you
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what we'll do, we'll find a way to, I told the pastor
here that I would make him some additional comment,
comment cards and have them available and there's
another way to do that, is you can provide a verbal
comment to the court reporter. So you can do that
and then it gets it, and then you won't have to worry
about filling anything out and my email address is
going to be on the next slide if he'll go to the next
slide. And it should be on the hand-outs and I'll,
I'll make some more hand-outs here, and we'll go
ahead and put that on the website also, so anybody
that didn't get a chance to have one can have one and
you can also email me directly if we, if we run out
of other means to get that comment in, but the main
thing is we want, we want your comments and we want
those on record.
So with that being said we've got, like
Mark said we've got about fifteen or twenty minutes
and just out of respect for everybody and just the,
just the large number of folks, we're going to have,
be respectful and have the comments for this project
only and if you have questions about other projects
they're right down the hall and we'll talk about them
after the meeting, but Mark Nagi is going to have a
microphone and, and Mr. Alex, Alex Keelty, he'll come
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around and have a microphone on this side. If
anybody has any general questions about, about this
project individually, or specifically. If it's about
your property, if it's about your property, your
property specific it's better served if we can look
at the property lines and kind of dig into it one on
one. Alex, you've got a, a gentleman there.
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QUESTION/ANSWER SESSION
MR. TERRY GUYSE: I see with the hand-out
here, the recommended speed is forty-five miles an
hour. That's after this is all completed?
MR. OLIVER: Yes, that's all the recommended
speed there.
MR. TERRY GUYSE: How about making a, a
media impact right now and lowering the speed when
it's in danger, you know, lowering it to forty,
forty-five miles an hour. You know, let's, let's
make some impact right away. Not just here, but all
the way down Chapman Highway. It's fifty-five miles
an hour down on the other side of Seymour.
MR. OLIVER: I did, I'll tell you what I
messed up. I didn't get your name.
MR. TERRY GUYSE: Terry Guyse.
MR. OLIVER: And, and your address?
MR. TERRY GUYSE: 108 Canyon Hills Road.
MR. OLIVER: Okay.
MR. TERRY GUYSE: I own property on Chapman
down there.
MR. OLIVER: That puts you on the official
record, so the question is about, about speed and how
we go with speed is we have to do a speed study and
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then make sure that our, our study justifies the
speed and all the variables that go into that are
coming forth, so that, that's how we address it,
that's how we address the speed. But there's a lot
of characteristics of the roadway, the volume of the
roadway and those things, but that's something that,
your comments are well noted and we'll look into
that.
MR. JOHN WHITE: Sir, my name is John White,
434 Meadow Lake Circle, Seymour. My question and
apparently this is the presentation, but you showed
us four projects.
MR. OLIVER: Yes, sir.
MR. JOHN WHITE: And actually this project
had fewer fatalities on it than some of the others,
so the question is then how did this one come to the
forefront versus the other ones?
MR. OLIVER: As far as, I don't know if this
one is in the forefront.
MR. JOHN WHITE: Well, in terms of
priorities, it seems like you're starting on this one
first.
MR. OLIVER: No, actually the, the section
in front of the church is ahead of this one here and,
and making lanes is ahead of all of them. Making
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lanes, we're talking construction. That's a bigger
project and it takes a legislative action to get
those funds and that is, what did we say, the spring,
about mid-'17 so really as far as how, what you're
going to see action on, you'll see action on making
lanes first, this one project that we're sitting on
right now in front of the church is actually ahead of
this project here. We get a lot of those things in
and sometimes, you know, traffic or, or crashes
happen, you know, they're not consistent and there
may be a place that we see that we, we know that it,
it requires safety improvements and then we also may
have another section that we see that the crash rates
raise up really high, so it's our job to see those
and see if that qualifies for, you know, certain type
of improvements and get that one under way, too and
it just takes time, so if one is ahead of the other
one it doesn't mean one is any more important than
the other one, it's just that we're working on it
all.
UNKNOWN PERSON: I notice you can lower the
speed limit but it doesn't mean they're going to
follow it. That's the problem on this highway is
everybody is just going too fast and they follow too
closely. They have no respect and so I mean, I agree
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with this. This is going to do some good, but it's
all about us as a community coming together and just
slowing down and having respect for each other.
MR. OLIVER: Right. Right. I agree with
those comments. We wish that all citizens obeyed
traffic laws and, and drove safely. I think that
would make our, it would definitely make our job a
lot easier. That would put Steve out of business
maybe, but anyway, this gentleman back here.
MR. CHUCK COOK: Chuck Cook, 1526 Cunningham
Road West, Seymour. Thanks for being here. We're
all aware that structural changes to the highway are
an important part of making this a safer road. Does
TDOT have any role whatsoever or any influence in
making sure that traffic laws are obeyed in this
section or in other sections?
MR. OLIVER: TDOT doesn't, TDOT doesn't
regulate. That's the Department of Safety. Now what
we can do is, is just like what, what Steve talked
about. We can, we can meet with our partners in the
Department of Safety. We can find areas that there
may be a safety issue, but as far as regulating and,
and making people obey the speed limits, that's
nothing TDOT would have any authority to make someone
do. I've not got a ticket from TDOT before and so
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it's the Department of Safety. But may know if
that's, that is an issue. You know, my, my first
project that I worked on as a, as a TDOT employee was
on Alcoa Highway where we had posted the speed
through a construction zone much, you know, a little
bit lower than the actual speed, so I understand what
you, I understand what you mean.
MR. CHUCK COOK: Can you provide guidance
for us on who we can contact? (Indiscernible).
MR. OLIVER: Yeah, we'll make it, we can
make a note and we can contact the Department of
Safety, but your mailers and your (indiscernible).
MR. BORDEN: Yeah, we will do that and we do
work a lot with our local officers. We have a
Governor's Highway Safety program and we do a lot of
behavioral things and try to get word out. You'll
see sometimes those, those advertisements. We also
work a lot with THP. In these cases we work a lot,
like I talked about earlier, several of these
projects we've had extensive meetings and I actually
had one this week with our partners in another county
plus THP together sitting around a table similar type
corridor and we talk about behavioral issues, safety
issues. I would encourage, you know, we will
definitely make a note of it and we, and we work very
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closely with THP. They're one of our great partners.
We also work with the local sheriff departments and
the cities as well. You as citizens in your area
obviously can, can do that as well. A lot of times
they're like us, there are limited resources
sometimes with how many officers they have, but they
do programs where they saturate areas at times to try
to help with behavioral issues, obviously speeding
and, and driving beyond those posted speed limits.
MR. OLIVER: As far as comment cards, we,
we've got about twenty of those left. Just to let
everybody know we're not completely out of them. We
may have been out at the station but we'll get those
and yeah, up front, we'll have those up front.
MR. DARRIS HAWKINS: My name is Darris
Hawkins. I live at 8923 Simpson Road, which is
directly across the highway from where we are. There
have been numerous times that my wife and I have been
coming out of Knoxville and have our right turn
signal on and someone beside us will be coming out of
Knoxville and have their left turn signal on. At the
bottom of the hill the highway is totally blocked and
there's a freight train behind you and I can't tell
you the number of times I have just said a prayer and
held on. My in-laws were hit in the rear at the
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intersection and knocked way off the road and I've
spoken to you before and you know my heart.
MR. OLIVER: Yes, sir.
MR. DARRIS HAWKINS: But I wanted to make it
official.
MR. OLIVER: Yeah.
MR. DARRIS HAWKINS: Thank you.
MR. OLIVER: Yes. Excellent.
MR. BOB McNUTT: My name is Bob McNutt and I
live at 8920 Simpson Road just across the street from
Darris and we have asked in the previous meetings
some of the things that even though if you can't get
the construction done, some of the things that they
could do to help us to see better on that highway.
Coming from Seymour going towards Knoxville. You
cannot see to the top of the hill on the other side
how the traffic is flowing to turn off, turn left on
Simpson Road. If you come around through there and
if, if you can turn off you're going to, you can't
turn your turn signal on until you assure that you're
going to be able to turn. Well, at that time people
behind you are traveling fifty, sixty miles an hour.
Okay, if I bow up and slow down and stop something is
going to happen.
MR. OLIVER: Right.
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MR. BOB McNUTT: And coming from, from
Knoxville this way also there's things in the way.
Now what I'm referring to there's trees. These trees
need to be cut down. The, the, all the growth from
the other side, on the other side going towards
Knoxville, it needs to be cleared out so we can see
ahead of time how we can turn off, and another thing.
Another thing that should be done, there should be
signs along the highway, several signs, deer
crossing. We have a lot of deer in this area and
I've seen a lot of deer been killed and I, it kills
me just to think about some of these guys riding
motorcycles, that's good, that's their business. But
it hurts me to think they come down through here
doing maybe fifty or sixty miles an hour and a deer
hop out in front of them. Now we have a lot of
tourists come through here. They don't know this but
a lot of people that lives here does know deer
crossing, but if they could do some of those things
to help us and help the other people it would be
appreciated.
MR. OLIVER: Okay. Thank you. Amanda made
note of that and we'll have Amanda's forces to check
that out and we'll look into it. Let's see. How
much time have we got? We've got one more question
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and I think we're, we're up on about twenty minutes
now, Mark, or pretty close?
MR. NAGI: Close.
MR. OLIVER: Pretty close? Okay. Go ahead.
MS. BRENDA CUNNINGHAM: Hi, I'm happy to be
here. My name is Brenda Cunningham. I live at 546
Man-o-War Drive.
MR. OLIVER: Yes, ma'am.
MS. BRENDA CUNNINGHAM: In Seymour. Before
the meeting I was talking to one of you all and I
just want everyone here to know what they told me
that these giant beautiful aerial pictures will
become part of the permanent record just like my
voice is at this time and if anyone here would like
to mark on these beautiful aerial photos of where you
have lost loved ones, you are free to do so. And I
think it's impactful if people, the people who don't
know our area and don't know that we've all lost
loved ones on this highway, if you would mark in
remembrance of your loved one. Thank you.
MR. OLIVER: Thanks, Brenda. Now that, that
concludes our, that concludes this type of question
and answer session and so feel free to come up and
talk to us individually or specifically. What's
that? Yeah, and if the projects, like I said
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earlier, besides this project here if you go down the
hall, one, you'll see the court reporter and you just
bear around and you'll see TDOT staff and they'll
walk you through the other exhibits that go over the
other projects. Thank you very much.
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COMMENTS
COURT REPORTER: May I have your name for
the record, please?
MR. TERRY GUYSE: It's Terry Guyse, 108
Canyon Hills Road in Seymour. The Chapman Highway
going south out of Seymour from North Rogers
Titsworth Springs traffic light to the Y is 2.3 miles
of road with many vehicle crashes where the speed
limit is fifty-five miles an hour instead of forty-
five miles an hour. It is a very narrow roadway with
the walls and ridges that come right to the edge of
the road and many curves and hills giving limited
down road vision. My suggestion and question is why
does it have to be fifty-five miles an hour instead
of forty-five miles an hour from Titsworth Springs to
the Y? This is already a dangerous area without the
fastest speeds. We who drive on the stretch from
Chapman to North Rogers and the Y need your
protection, so why does the speed limit need to be
fifty-five miles an hour in this area? That's
enough.
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COURT REPORTER: May I have your name for
the record, please?
MS. TERESA PFEFFINGER: Yes, my name is
Teresa Pfeffinger. I live at 235 Twin Leaf Lane,
Knoxville, Tennessee, 37920. And I would like to see
the James White Parkway be extended into at least to
John Sevier and further into Seymour if possible to
help with some of the traffic congestion as well on
my road, Twin Leaf, is right off of Kimberlin
Heights, and Kimberlin Heights at Chapman Highway is
a dangerous intersection. There have been several
accidents there as well and I would like to see
Kimberlin Heights be made a right turn only onto
Chapman so that it is impossible to turn left onto
Chapman or for anyone coming from Knoxville to turn
left onto Kimberlin Heights.
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COURT REPORTER: May I have your name?
MR. MAX HOUSER: My name is Max Houser. My
address is 911 Horseshoe Drive, Knoxville, Tennessee,
37920. My concern about all of the meetings and
things that we've had is that the South Knoxville
Parkway extension needs to be moved forward. It must
be done. Some person mentioned that they had to,
some rule related to federal money and so on, if it's
used that a certain group has to approve it. Well,
we need the Parkway, it needs to go through. It
needs to go completed not only out to Chapman
Highway, it needs to be extended and looked forward
for the next twenty years and extend all the way up
through Pigeon, Pigeon Forge to the upper end of
Pigeon Forge through the Knobs and Sevier County so
that people in future days when more and more growth
in the Seymour area and Blount County, so they will
have an alternate route to Knoxville rather than
limiting you to Chapman Highway. I appreciate the
improvements to Chapman Highway but, but that
extension to that Parkway needs to be moved forward
as soon as possible.
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COURT REPORTER: May I have your name,
please?
MR. ROBERT DAVIS: Robert L. Davis at 1915
Pine Ridge Road in Seymour, Tennessee. I do end up
traveling to some remote places on some of the
highways and it has always been amusing over the past
thirty to forty years that you widen a road and you
then lower the speed limit. That was part of our
discussion earlier and so it becomes a nice income
for the local entity but of course Seymour has
rejected having their own police force so it wouldn't
work for us. But I've seen too often where a two
lane road with a fifty-five or sixty mile an hour
speed limit has then been brought down to forty miles
an hour where you have seven lanes, two each way, a
turn lane and two curb lanes plus a curb that it
seems counter-productive. Now it does prove that the
improvement of the road reduces the accidents but
that's a little absurd. But I was concerned about
what they presented here that a couple of the factors
I see like were possibly employed at Alcoa Highway
was that we need to look and see where the
destinations of this traffic is and then possibly
limit the access to some of the roads that don't
serve very many places you may have to reroute way
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far away from the four lane, but it could help keep
the traffic flowing. Several other things I've seen
in traveling around, one is where red lights are
blocked by limited sight distance. In Kentucky they
use a little advanced light not unlike the one on
Chapman Highway at Stone Road, but it is unlike the
one on Stone Road because it just blinks all the
time. These only blink when the light is turning
red, so you've got an advance as to when, and taking
this along on intersections it seemed to me that all
these proposals today started about three hundred
yards too far south because Hendron Chapel is a very
big concern, the intersection with Chapman Highway,
due to the fact that Johnson University is a
destination where a lot of cars are going and coming
from it would surely help if there could be two lanes
our of Hendron Chapel so that the cars can be sorted
when the light turns green. You can take more cars
and then you might even be able to shorten the time
that the light was green so that would be one of my
specific suggestions and I will talk to Nate about
it. The other things is a lot of times traveling
early in the morning when nobody is out it's very
frustrating and the perception is say like for
example on Stone Road, as soon as the car rolls up to
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the light it trips and makes me stop and I'm just a
little beyond the ability to go through when it turns
yellow so it ends up that both of us are stopped in
the process where if there was a little delay when
somebody rolls up to an intersection for the trip
that then we always want to be careful when there's
another car anywhere at intersection because they
might decide to come through the light, so that was
just another comment. I think that covers about
everything I have today. Thank you for the session
and I appreciate working with you.
COURT REPORTER: Court reporter.
MR. ROBERT DAVIS: The court reporter.
COURT REPORTER: My name is Cathy.
MR. ROBERT DAVIS: Cathy. All right, thank
you.
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COURT REPORTER: May I have your name,
please?
MR. JEFF TIMBS: My name is Jeff Timbs and I
live at 5605 Dodge Road. My concern would deal with
north of Hendron's Chapel Road all the way up to the
Dunkin Donuts located right before John Sevier
Highway. I heard no proposals tonight at all to do
anything about that section. My concern of that is
because of one, there is no access to turn left
through that stretch. You have a pretty busy road in
Kimberlin Heights coming out there at an angle where
you cannot even see because of a mountain and a blind
hill. Secondly I was told it was the State that put
up the yellow markers to keep the left hand turns
from going into the Dunkin Donuts establishment. My
problem with that is it did not fix a problem, it
created what, my assessment is a worse problem
because folks are simply going past the yellow marks
to Po Boy's Tires or to the insurance agency where
there is no turn lane and they're trying to make a U
turn or they're turning into the establishment and
trying to come back out onto the highway right there
and so it's caused it to be very dangerous in that
area and I would like to see something where they
could modify the traffic light at Dunkin Donuts to
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where that establishment could use that traffic light
for business in and out of there to keep these U
turns from happening down the road and I would also
like to see a widening there where folks could get in
and out of Marine Road and Kimberlin Heights and
Tipton Station. If there can't even be a widening I
would think that at least the mountain could be cut
back right there at Kimberlin Heights where it comes
into Chapman Highway to where at least you're not
pulling out on a blind curve onto a highway where
people are running fifty-five and sixty miles an
hour. Thank you.
THIS CONCLUDES THE TDOT PUBLIC MEETING HELD ON APRIL
21, 2016.
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BY: NOTARY PUBLIC
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CERTIFICATE
This transcript of the TDOT Public Meeting
SR 71 (US-441, Chapman Hwy) was taken on April 21,
2016 by Cathy Heinze of Barringer Court Reporting,
Gray, Tennessee.
I, Betty B. Neal, Notary Public, Barringer
Court Reporting, hereby certify that the foregoing is
a true and complete transcript of said TDOT Public
Meeting.
WITNESS my hand and official seal at office
at Gray, Tennessee, this the 25th of April, 2016.
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NOTARY PUBLIC
My commission expires: October 29, 2019
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