DaveAsprey: About1/4ofAmericansdon'tgetenoughvitaminAintheirdiet.VitaminAisessentialforthehumanbody,andit'sbeenshowntohelpwithinflammation,immunesystem,maintainingstrengthandintegrityofyourbones,andit'spartofhavingahealthysexlife.OneofthebestsourcesofvitaminAisthetypeofcodliveroilthatDariaimportscalledDropi.Dropiisoneofthepurestcodliveroilsonthemarkettoday.It'smadeexclusivelyfromwildcodthat'scaughtandprocessedintheoldestfishingvillageinIceland.It'scoldprocessed,whichpreservesitsnaturalfattyacids,includingomega-3,andvitaminsAandvitaminD.Italso,becauseofthewayit'sprocessed,qualifiesasarawfoodinsteadofaprocessedfood.

ThepeopleoveratDariaarereallypassionateaboutwellnessandpeakperformance.Oneoftheirguys,Ash,isnowworkingonbecomingaBulletproofcoach,they'resopassionateaboutbeingbulletproof.YoumightwanttocheckoutthenewcodliveroilcalledDropi,andjustincelebrationofAsh'shardworkbecomingacoach,myfriendsoveratDariaaregivingBulletprooflisteners20%offanyorder.Headonovertodariaimports.com/bulletproofandcheckoutallthecoolproductsthey'vegotinthecodliveroilspace,andyou'llsave20%.Don'twait.Thisisalimitedtimeonlyoffer.Justgotodariaimports.com/bulletproof.

Speaker3: BulletproofRadio,astateofhighperformance.

DaveAsprey: Areyoufeelingallspiritual?

JPSears: I'msorry.Iwasn'tlistening.What?

DaveAsprey: I'mnotsure,butIcantellthatyou'reveryfocused,grounded,andyetephemeral,allatthesametime.

JPSears: Ephemeral.That'smyfavoriteartery,outofallofthem.

DaveAsprey: Thatwasalegitimatepunrightthere.Youjustscoredpointsforthatone,man.

JPSears: Ikindoflostpoints.Ithinkpunsaresortoflike,"Eh..."

DaveAsprey: Thelowestformofhumor,thatpeoplelaughat.

JPSears: Somewouldsaysarcasm.SomenamedMr.Wildewouldsayit'sthelowestformofhumor,thelowestformofwit,buthighestformofintelligence.

DaveAsprey: Iwouldbuythat.Idon'tknowifthatwasourshowopening,inwhichcase,thatwouldbethefirsttimethatI'veneversaid,"You'relisteningtoBulletproofRadiowithDaveAsprey,"butthatmightbeabettershowopener,sowe'llfigurethatoneout.

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Intoday's24/7world,youmightfindyourselffeelingalittlebitlessbulletproofthanyoulikesomedays.Itcertainlyhappenstome.Ihaveareallybusytravelschedule,includingalotoftimeontoxicairplanesfullofbadairandquestionablefood,althoughIfranklyskipthequestionablefood.Oneofmytophacksformaintainingthatmentalperformance,andjusttofeelgoodandnotbetooswollen,istogetridoftoxinsthroughmySunlightenSauna.IntheBulletproofBiohackingLabsAlphahereonVancouverIsland,whereIlive,IhaveaSunlighten3-in-1InfraredSauna.Why?Becausetheirpatented3-in-1technologyhasnear,mid,andfarinfrared,whichdodifferentthingsallinoneplace.Icangetthedetoxeffects,theenergyandtheweighloss,andtheotherthingsthatinfrareddoesforthewaterinyourcells.

WhenIdothat,I'mgettingaccesstoabunchofdifferenthealthprograms.There'sonefordetox.There'soneforcardioandforanti-aging,soyoucanactuallycontrolthetypeofwavesyou'reexposedto.ThenearinfraredLEDsareimportantforcellhealthandanti-agingresults.ItiscontrolledwithalittleAndroidpanelthatactuallyletsyouwatchNetflixwhileyou'reinthesauna,whichiskindofcool.It'seco-friendly,hypoallergenicbasswoodandpremiumcraftsmanship.Youdon'twantsomeofthetoxicwoodsthatreleasenatural,likeMotherNature'stoxins.Theydon'tusethatkindofwood.Youcanactuallyaccessthesaunafromthecloud,soyoucanturnitonbeforeyouleavetheoffice,andit'sreadywhenyougethome,whichissupercool.

Itevenincludessomethingcalledacousticresonancetherapy,wherethere'sthingsthatshaketheseatsaccordingtothemusicyou'relisteningto,anditturnsoutthatvibrationinoneofthesignalsmitochondriainyourbodylistento,soit'skindofacooldeal.Ifyouwanttocheckoneofthesethingsout,sunlightandinfraredsaunasarethemosteffectiveonesIknowoffordeepcellularsweating,andyougosunlighten.com,that'sS-U-N-L-I-G-H-T-E-Ndotcom,andcheckoutthefarinfraredandfullspectrumsaunas.IfyoumentionBulletproofRadio,yougetafreesetofbamboocarbontowels,andtrustme,you'regoingtoneedtowelsifyoustartusinganinfraredsauna.It'salimitedtimeoffer,onlywhilesupplieslast.Justgotosunlighten.comandmentionBulletproofRadio,oryoucanalsocall877-292-0020,sunlighten.com.

Incaseyouhaven'tnoticed,ifyou'rewatchingonYouTube,youmighthavefiguredthisout,Ihaveaguysittingnexttomehere,whoisprettywellknown,atleastifyou'reontheinternet,whosenameisJPSears.He'shereatBulletproofLabs,atmyhouse.We'vebeenhavingtodoallsortsofcryotherapyandothercrazybiohackingstuffhere,andI'mactuallygoingtointerviewhimtodayaboutsomecoolstuffthatyoumightnotknowaboutJPSears,andhemightactuallyansweratleastonequestionwithoutahumorousresponse,butI'mnotsure.

JPSears: Well,that'samightwithacapitalM,andI'mlookingforwardtogettingintothingsthatIdon'tknowaboutme.

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DaveAsprey: Well,here'ssomethingaboutthecoolfactoftheday,whichissomethingthatI'vehadineveryshow,anditsays,accordingtothisguy,OscarWilde,"Sarcasmisthelowestformofwit,butthehighestformofintelligence,"butyoujuststolemycoolfactoftheday.Didyousayyoudidthat?

JPSears: You'rewelcome.IsthereanythingelseIcandotostealyourthunder?

DaveAsprey: I'msurethatyou'llfindsomething,JP,butthat'sallright.Youknowwhat?Mythunderwasreallyjustlikeadrizzletoday.

JPSears: Ifeellikeyourself-esteemisgettinglower.

DaveAsprey: I'vebeenwantingtoupgrademyself-esteem.Isthatpossible?

JPSears: Yeah.Mold-freecoffeeisthebestself-esteemupgradepossible.ButIwillsaythis,youareridiculousinthebestwaypossible.Iloveit.

DaveAsprey: Thankyou,sir.

JPSears: YoumentionOscarWilde.HehasanotherthoughtthatIabsolutelylove.Hesuggeststhatlifeistooimportanttotakeseriously.OneofthereasonswhyIabsolutelylovehangingaroundyou,andItellthistoeverybodyIknowwhenI'mtalkingaboutyoubehindyourback,butsayinggoodthingsbehindyourbook,isyouarelikeagiantchildwithaveryintelligentbrain,butIthinkoneofthereasonswhyyouhavesuchamagneticcharismaaroundyouisyouexudeplayfulness,andtome,youembodytheidealifeistooimportanttotakeseriously,whichisironic.Youdoveryseriousstuff.Youchangetheworld,youchangelives,andyoudoitwithaplayfulmindset.That'ssomethingthat'sincrediblyinspiringtome.

DaveAsprey: Wow.That'samassivecomplement.Thanks,man.

JPSears: You'rewelcome.

DaveAsprey: Iappreciatethat.Ikeepgoingintothiscoolfactofthedaystuff,andwejustkeeptalkingaboutallthisotherstuff,likeme.No,I'mkidding.

JPSears: Factoftheday,DaveAspreyiscool.

DaveAsprey: You'rerubbingoffonme.I'mbecomingmoreegotisticaljustsittingaroundyou,JP.

JPSears: Youare,butI'malittlemorehumblethanyou.I'mthemosthumblepersonIknow.

DaveAsprey: Ifyouguysdon'tknowJPSears'work,you'vegottocheckouthisYouTubechannel.He'sdonebasically...Idon'tknowwhattocallthem,roasts,ismaybe

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anappropriatething,justhilariousthingsaboutPaleo,aboutbiohacking,aboutvegandiets,aboutprettymuchanysacredcoworsacredvegancowthatyoucanfind,hehasslaughteredinthemostself-deprecating,hilariouswaypossible.YoumusthaveaYouTubeURLorsomethinglike...Wheredoyousentpeopletofindyourstuff?Becauseifyouhaven'tseenatleastsomeofhisstuff...Youprobablyhaveseenit.Youdon'tknowyou'veseenit,butwheredopeoplegoforthis,becauseit'sawesome.

JPSears: AwakenwithJP.That'swhereyoucancheckoutallmystuffonYouTubeandFacebook.Ofcourse,ifyoufindmeincrediblyoffensive,thenthosearetheplaceswhereyouwanttoavoidgoing.

DaveAsprey: Well,let'stalkaboutsarcasmforaminutehere.There'sactuallyrealresearchonsarcasm.Theresearchsayssomething,thatitimprovescreativityandcognitivefunction.Thisisneurosciencelevelstuff.Basically,thinkingofitdoesonething,anddeliveringitdoesanotherthing.Butontheflipside,thestuffthatIteach,especiallyatthe40YearsofZen,whenwe'relookingattheseadvancedegoawarenesssortofthings,prettymuchwheneveryou'reusingsarcasm,there'sanelementofangerthat'sbehindit,likeyouwantedtosaysomething,sotheideaofactwithkindnessandthingslike...Ihaveaverysarcasticwit.Peoplelisteningprobablywouldn'tbelievethat,but-

JPSears: I'msuretheywouldn't.

DaveAsprey: Iactuallytoneditwaydown,becauseIrealizedevenifIwasmeaningtobehumorous,sometimes,Iwashurtingpeople'sfeelings.Iwanttoprogressthroughtheworldwithbekindtoothersasaprimarythingtodo.Then,itiskindoffuntobealittlebitunkindtosomeone,justbecausetheyneededit.Yourformofsarcasmisusually,though,not...You'llmakefunofsomethingthatIwouldsayneedsattentiononit,butyouendupredirectingitbacktoyourselfattheendoftheday.You'resortofthebuttofthejokeattheendoftheday,versusthepersonwhosebeliefsystemyou'reinsulting,slaying,andotherwisepokingholesin.

JPSears: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Isthatonpurpose?

JPSears: Yeah.Tome,itis.Ithinksarcasm...Ihadn'theardthatresearch,butItotallyvibewithit.Idothinkattherootofallsarcasm...Imean,listentothewordsarcasm,scarcasm.Ithinkitreallydoeshaveitsrootsinpain,andIknowmyhumor,itcomesfrommypain.WhenIwasachild,thewayIsurvived,psychologically,isIlearnedtomakepeoplelaugh.Theideaof,"IfIcanmakesomeonelaugh,IfeellikeImattertothem,"sothathelpedmecoverupmysenseofinsignificanceinsidewithatemporaryfourorfiveminuteboutofsignificancecomingfromtheoutside.Mysarcasmbecameawayofcoveringup

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mypain,sowhenitcomestoexpressinghumorwithsarcasmorsatirism,whichIthinkcomesfromSaturn...

DaveAsprey: Saturn?No.Ithinkthatcomesfromthosehalfgoat,halfhorse...Isn'tSaturnlikea-

JPSears: You'veoffendedallthevegansouttherealready.

DaveAsprey: It'salmostadish.It'slikehalfgoat,halftofu,andyoumixitallup.

JPSears: Thatsoundsdisgusting,butnonetheless,whenoneexpressestheirhumor,yes,Idobelievethere'spaininit.Areweprojectingthatpainontosomeoneelseandhurtingthem,orareweessentiallyowningourpain?Therefore,Ithinkshiningthelighttohelpotherpeoplegetintouchwiththeirpain,ratherthanhavingthehumorinflictpainonthem,that'swhyIthinkself-deprecatinghumor,Ithinkwithacompassionateconsciousnesstowardselfratherthanusingself-deprecatinghumortoshameselfandjusthurtourpainevenmore,Ithinkthat'simportanttobeawareof,sothathumordoesn'tbecomeawayofjusthurtingotherpeople,whichtome,itabsolutelycan.Humorisapowerfulenergy,powerfulpsychologicalenergy.Lightsideis,Ithinkitcanbeanalchemistofhealingandself-awareness,andshadowsideis,Ithinkitcanbeaknifethatcutsintopeople.

DaveAsprey: Well,Imean,there'sthesortofdickjokecomedianswiththreehourpodcasts,whereit'smostlyjustchewingonstuff,wheresometimes,it'sfunny,butyoukindoffeelalittledirtywhenyou'redonelisteningtoit.There'sanothersideofit,whereyou'relike,"Okay,itwasdamnedfunny,butIfeelupliftedbythat,insteadofangry."

JPSears: Yeah,forsure.Ithinklistening,ifIcanuseabigword...Listening.Thatwastough.Listeningtoourbio-feedback,likehowdoyourespondtohumorthatyou'reusingorsomeone'susingaroundyou?Ifyouhurt,ourfeelingsdon'tlie.IthinkCarlYungsaiditbest.Ourfeelingsarethelanguageofoursoul.Ithinktheycomefromaverydeepplaceoftruthinsideofus.Ifwefeelworse,andheavy,andfatiguedfromaconversationorlisteningtopeoplejoke,it'slike,"Wow,thatwasprobablyhurtfulhumor."Wecanbeamused.Wecanbelaughing,butlaughingisaformofweeping.Itcanbeusemotingpain,becausewe'reexperiencingpainbeinginflictedonuswithhumor.

Tome,thelightsideofhumor,it'soneofmyfavorite.Iwouldhonestlycallitapsychologicalbiohack.Ireallywould.Ithinkwhenwecanlaugh,notatourselves,butwithourselves,andwithotherpeople,yougetthewholeshotofendorphins.It'saupliftingexperience,andIthinkalso,anotheranglethathumorisapowerfulbiohackisithelpsusnottakeourselvessoseriously.I'mabigfanofhavebeliefs,butdon'tbelieveyourbeliefs.Ithinkwhenwecanusehumorastheforceofdetachment,sowecanhaveourbeliefs,butnotbeso

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attached,andjustbelieveourbeliefs,tome,that'soneofmyfavoritepsychologicalbrainbiohacks.

DaveAsprey: Soyou'resayinghumorcanmakepeoplemaybelesstribal?

JPSears: Absolutely.

DaveAsprey: Atthesametime,ifit'sappliedwrong,ifyou'reonlymakingfunoftheothersideandnotofyourself,thenitactuallyincreasestribalism,right?

JPSears: Forsure.Actually,justsoI'mclear,whatdoyoumeanbytribalism?

DaveAsprey: ThewayIseetribalism,it'salwaysanusversusthemthing,sookay,I'mBulletproof,andMcDonald's,they'rebadpeople.Yousortofbuildwallsbetweenpeople,butendoftheday,whatthosewallsdoistheymakeyoustopthinkingaboutwhatyou'redoing,aboutwhatthey'redoing,andmakeitaboutgoodversusevil,whichisjustastraight-upwaytostopthinkinganduseyouremotions,veryold,primitiveemotions,insteadofactuallyusingyourrationalbrainandjustrealizing,"Oh,maybewejustdisagreeaboutwhattoputonourGoddamnplatefor..."Doesitreallymatter?

JPSears: Yeah.Idon'tknowwhoitis,liketheZenpeople.Theydon'tmakemesoundintelligentifIsaythisisaZenquote.TheBuddhistssaidthis,too,whoeverelseisdead,whoseattorneysaren'tgoingtosuemeformisrepresentingthem.TheBuddhistssaidthisandwhoeverelse,AbrahamLincoln,probably.Theysuggestthatthesourceofalldiseaseisasenseofseparation.Iknowthatreallyoversimplifiesthings,yetIthinkit'salsoaveryhelpfulconsideration.Ifwe'reincreasingtribalism,usversusthem,thatseparation...Andtome,partofthebeautyofhumor,thelightsideofhumor,isit'saformofcommunication,communion,soitdecreasestribalism,increasesoursenseofconnection,soifalldiseaseiscreatedbyasenseofseparation,thenmaybehealthandhealing,andanincreasedqualityoflife,comesthroughmoreconnection,connectionwiththyself,andconnectionwithourcommunity.

DaveAsprey: Well,youdefinitelycrackedthecode,becausealotofpeople,infact,Ithinkmostpeoplewho'veseenyourworkhavenoideathatyou'reaHolisticCoachAdvancedPractitioner.You'veactuallydonealotofyourownworkonthatfront,andthattranslatedintoahundredmillionviewsonYouTube,whichisaninsanenumber.IbelievethatIhavefivemillion,soI'msortoffeelinginsignificant.

JPSears: Who'stherealman?

DaveAsprey: IhavenoideawhatmynumbersonYouTubeare,butthatseemsaboutright,whatever.You'vedefinitelydonesomethingdifferent,becausetheviralityofthestuffthatyousay,likewhenyouputtogetheravideolikethat,peoplejustshareit,becauseyoudidsomethingthatwasn'tmaybeashurtfulasjustarant.

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Wecertainlyseehurtfulrantssharedsometimes,butit'sadifferentenergytoit,andIthinkitdoesgetsharedmore.Idon'tknowifyouoranyoneelsehasdonequantitativeanalysisonthat,butthere'ssomething,adifferentvibeinwhatyoudothatIhaven'treallyseenfromothercomedians.ThatwaswhyIwantedtohaveyouontheshow,plus,wejustgottobefriendswhenyoustartedmakingfunofbiohacking,andIwaslike,"Youhavetobeon,'cause..."

JPSears: Yeah.Ilovetomakefunofwhat'simportanttome.Yeah.Whensomeone'sonsocialmedia,andtheyclickshare...I'vebeenveryblessedbywhoever'supthereblessingpeople.Ithinkit'sSantaClaus,still.

DaveAsprey: He'soneofthem.

JPSears: Yeah.He'smyfavoritesaint,SaintNick.Whensomeoneclicksshareonsocialmedia,Ithink,atadeeplevelwhatitmeansisthey'vejustseensomethingaboutthemselfthattheyweren'tawareof.Somethingthat'sveryimportanttomeintheworkthatIdo,includingthecomedyworkthatIdo,isfacilitatingincreasedself-awareness.Ithinkthepurposeofourlivesistoliveourlife,andIthinkalotofuswalkaround,andwearejustastrangertoourself.Wedon'tknowwhoweare,butwesithere,andwethinkweknowwhoweare.Then,webecomeconvincedthatwearewhowethinkweare,butIthinkwhoweare,thetruebeinginsideDave,thetruebeinginsideJP,we'refarmoreexpansivethanwhatwecancomprehend.

OneofthereasonswhyIlovefacilitatingincreasedself-awareness,evenifit'sjustalittlereflectionofself-awareness,likeyouwatchacomedyvideo,youseesomethingaboutyourselfthatyoudidn'tknowwasthere,andyoulikeit,youresonatewithit,soyouhitshare.Tome,thatself-awarenesshelpsusstepdeeperintotrulylivingthemiracleofwhoweare,ratherthantreatingourselveslikeastrangerwhilewe'rejusttryingtobewhowe'reexpectedtobe,whowethinkwe'resupposedtobe.Ithinklifeistooshorttobesomeoneotherthanourself.

DaveAsprey: Whenyoudecidetosharesomethingonsocialmediathat'snotyourownwork,whatthoughtprocessgoesthroughyourmindbeforeyoudecidewhetheryou'regoingtosharesomethingornot?

JPSears: Yeah.That'sagreatquestion.Ithinkacouplethings,one,thatIreceivebenefitfromthis.IfIreceivebenefitfromthat,that'sagreatgreencheckmark,greenmeansgo.Ithinktheotherthingis,isthisamessagethat'skindofcongruentwithmybrand?Mybrand,thecomedy,aswellasjustsincerity,aretoocomponentsofmybrand.Ithinkthecomedy'smorewell-known.It'sifacongruentmessage,awesome,butjustbecausesomething'sagreatmessage,andIreceivebenefit,doesn'tnecessarilymeanI'mgoingtoshareit.Someonemighthavetheseamazingorthoticsforyourshoes.I'mlike,"Wow,that'sabeneficialmessage,"butI'mprobablynotgoingtosharethat.

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DaveAsprey: Orthoticsaren'tfunny.Isthatthedeal?

JPSears: Notyet,asfarasIknow.

DaveAsprey: Ithinkyoucanbreakthroughthatglassceilingfororthotics.

JPSears: IfIcanmakeorthoticsfunny,thenI'mreallymaking...I'dbecurious,ifI'mallowedtoturnthatquestionbackonyou,whatmakesyousharesomethingonsocialmediathat'snotyourowncontent?

DaveAsprey: Ihavekindofareligiousthing,andI'malwaysworkingtosharethiswiththestaffatBulletproof,andwiththeteamwhosupportourmission,andit'sjustthissimplequestion,what'sinitforyou?Idon'tmeanforyou,ourstaff.What'sinitforyou,theaudience?MyfilterisIreadthething,andthenisitworththetimethatI'maskingsomeonetoinvestbylookingatit?Willitaddmorethanittakesaway?Ididamathequationawhileback,anditwasareallyhardone.Ithadalgebraandstuffinit.Itwaswhat'sthedwellthetimeonthewebsite,whenpeoplereadBulletproofcontent,andthenwhat'sthearound50milliondownloadsonBulletproofRadio.50millionhoursdividedbythenumberofwakinghoursishundredsofhumanlifetimes.

JPSears: Wow.That'sso-

DaveAsprey: You,bytheway,areatabiggernumberthanIam,with100millionYouTubethings.Idon'tknowifyoulookatyouraveragelistentime,butthatmeansthatifwe'renotaddingvaluewithwhatwedo,we'reactuallymassmurderers.

JPSears: Wow.Ilikethat.That'sgruesome,butthat'sapowerfulwayoflookingatit.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,andthatishowIviewit.I'mnotgoingtosharesomethingifittakesawaymorethanitgives,whetherit'ssomethingIwrote,orwhetherit'ssomethingthatsomeoneelsedid.IseeallsortsofshitonFacebook,andI'mlike,"No,I'mnotgoingtosharethat,"evenifitmightbemirthful,oralittlefunnyorwhatever,sothatthepeoplewhocomeandfollowmeonFacebook,oronInstagram,orwherever,thatthey'relike,"Okay,thiswasvaluable,"andthentheybecomeengaged.TheengagementlevelsforBulletproofpeople,thecommentsandlikesandthingslikethatareveryhighasaratio,becausethey'rerealfollowers,versusbotsorsomething.Itisthatconstantwhat'sinitforyou,notwhat'sinitforme.

Alotoftimes,Ithinkthattheunconscioussharingofwe'rejustgoingtothrowstuffuponFacebook,likewhat'sinitforme?What'sthisgoingtomakemelooklike?Forme,it'slike,"Willthisserveyou,becauseifthisservesyoubest,it'sactuallygoingtomakemelookgood,anyway."Ihonestlydon'treallycareifitmakesmelookgood.Igetthesepeoplewhoarelike,"Thisoffendedme,thereforeI'mgoingtounfollow."Theresponse,andI'dofferthistoanyonewhodoesn'tlikethisshow,samething,"Theunfollowbuttonisrighthere,"andI

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drawalittlearrow.I'mlike,"It'sokay.Ifthisisn'tservingyou,Iwantyoutostoplistening."

JPSears: Yeah,goliveyourlife.Don'tdetractfromyourlifejusttomindlesslylistentothat.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,anddon'tholdmehostagebyun-likingme.Trustme,Iwon'tnotice.

JPSears: That'ssotrue.Iloveyour...Imean,that'saverycaringview.Areyougoingtojustrobminutes,hoursfrompeople'slife?Ifso,wow,that'stakinglife.That'smurdering.Thatgetsyourattention.

DaveAsprey: That'sthecenterofmarketing.

JPSears: Or[crosstalk00:22:43],forsure.There'ssomeFacebookpagesthatIpersonallyusedtofollow,usedtobeingthekeyword.Thesebecomethepageswherethey'rejustdoingtheconstant,likeeverysinglehour,we'regoingtopostsomething.They'replayingthatgame.Nothingwrongwiththat,butwhatthey'reposting,isitadding,orisitsubtracting?Unfortunatelynotall,butsomeofthemdetract,soI'mreallyquickwiththeunfollowbutton.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Iam,too.It'slike,"Showmelikelesspostslikethis."I'vemanagedtogetmostpoliticsoutofmyfeed.Whatpissesmeoffnowis-

JPSears: Politics,isthatathingnow?Ididn'tnotice.

DaveAsprey: It'slikeareligion,butdifferent.

JPSears: Okay.

DaveAsprey: Becausepeoplefightwarsoverbothofthem,butIthinktheorderofoperationsisdifferent.Idon'treallyknow.

JPSears: Ithinkwithpolitics,theyworshipmorepeoplethanjusttheoneguyorgal.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,andneitheroneofthemhasanythingtodowithmoney.

JPSears: Nothing.It'sjustcaringabouthumannatureisattheheartofbothofthem.

DaveAsprey: Thisjustturneddark,didn'tit?

JPSears: Itdid.Dave,whydoIhavesomanyunfollowsonmychannelrightnow?

DaveAsprey: No.It'sreallykindoffunny,becauseIpostedsomethingabouttheFDArecently.ItwasbasicallyoneofTrump'spicksfortheFDAisactuallyaboardmemberofoneofthemostaggressiveanti-agingresearchinstitutesoutthere.I'mlike,"Thisisthecoolestthingever,becauseifwegetlikealibertariananti-aging

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radicalduderunningtheFDA,maybewe'llbeallowedtohaveaccesstotherapiesthatthey'realreadydoinginChinaandJapan,thatarenotevenontheradarhere."Immediately,peoplewerelike,"Oh,welcometotheTrumptrain."I'mlike,"JesusChrist,guys.ThefactthatIlikesomethingsapresidentdoes,andIdon'tlikesomethingsapresidentdoes,itdoesn'tmeanthatIsupporttheoffice.Itdoesn'tmeanIsupportaspecificcandidateoraspecificpresident.Ionlycareaboutwhattheydo,andI'veactuallyneverfoundapoliticianwhodoesanythingclosetowhattheypromisetodo.Theyalldotheoppositeorwhatever'sintheirbestinterestonce...

JPSears: Forsure.

DaveAsprey: ...they'veboughtyourvotebylyingtoyou."How'sthatfordark?They'regoingtodowhateverthey'regoingtodo.OnceIsaysomething,eitherproorcon,thenthetribalismandthosereligiousbehaviorscomein,andhere'sthedealforpeoplelistening,like,"Dave,you'realeftie,"or,"You'realibertarian."I'mlike,"Actually,here'sthedeal.Youcannottaketheprobably10,000differentfacetsofthingsthatyoubelievewouldmakethebestsystemandconvenientlyseparatethemintotwobucketsandsay,'Thisismybucket.'That'santi-thinking.Here'sthedeal.Thinkforyourself,andyes,therearetimeswhenIabsolutelysupportadecision,andthereareothertimeswhereIabsolutelydon't...

JPSears: Forsure.

DaveAsprey: ...andsototryandsimplifythingsintothere'sonlytoosides,oh,forGod'ssake.That'ssoboring."

JPSears: Tome,that'dbelikesayingyourbodyonlyhastwocells.It'slike,"Well,Ithinkwe'realittlemorecomplexthanthat."That'spartofwhataddsthethreedimensionalitytolife,andthepsychologicalexperienceofoursocialenvironment,politicsbeingpartofit.I'mroutinelyfascinatedwithpoliticsandreligion,how...AndI'mgoingtoseepresentcompanyincludedwithwhatI'mabouttosay,justsoyoudon'tgettoooffendedatme,orgetoffended.Now,you'reoffendedthatI'mtryingnottooffendyou."JP,youdon'tthinkIcanhandleit?"

DaveAsprey: Youinsultedeveryonenow,includingyourself.

JPSears: Ihatemyselfrightnow,Dave.Doyouhaveabiohackforthat?

DaveAsprey: Wedo.

JPSears: Iamabsolutelyfascinatedbytheemotionalnatureofhumankindandhowouremotionscancompletelyoverrideourprefrontalcortex.Wecanhaveaveryintelligentpersoninadiscussion,andthenameTrumpisbroughtup,likeyoujustsaid,andallofasudden,theprefrontalcortexiscompletelyshutdown,andthere'sjustthisemotionalreactivity.There'snological,rationalthought

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happening.It'sjustanemotionaloutpouring,whichisfine.Ithinkweneedtofeelouremotions.Ithinkifyoutrytosuppressthem,itprogressivelykillsus,butwhenwedon'tknowwe'reinastateofreactivity,andwe'retryingtosolveouremotionalreactiveissuesinalogicaldiscussionaboutpolitics,Ithinkmostdiscussionsaboutpoliticsaren'taboutpolitics.They'retooverywoundedinnerchildreninsidejustgettingangry,becausethey'rereallyafraidinside.

DaveAsprey: Thatmatchesmyreality.Infact,inHeadStrong...Andyes,didyouseethat?Ijustconvenientlyworkedaplugformynewbookinthere,because-

JPSears: Itisgraceful.

DaveAsprey: ThereasonIbroughtupHeadStrongisexactlybecauseit'srelevanttowhatyou'resayinghere.There'sthesethreebehaviorsthatIwroteaboutintheBulletproofDiet.IcallthemtheLabradorbrain,butinHeadStrong,itactuallygoesdeeperthanthat.Thethreebehaviorsarewhateverylifeformhastodo,anditworksformammals,butitturnsout,italsoworksforbacteria,andyourmitochondriaarebacteria.Thesearethreethingsyou'dbeveryfamiliarwithandcomfortablewith.TheLabradorBrain,itrequiresyoutoeateverything,soyoudon'tstarvetodeath,becausethenthespeciescan'treproduce,okay?Thentheonethatwe'retalkingaboutrighthere,whichisrunawayfromorkilleverythingthatmightbeathreat.

JPSears: Wow.

DaveAsprey: Thisiswhydogsbarkatrandomcrap.It'sjustaninbornbehavior.Thisisthealgorithmforanythingtostayalive,includingaplant.Theycan'trunawayfrom,sotheygrowspinestokillyou,ortheygrowpoisonstokillyou,soyouwon'teatthem,right?Becauseotherwise,thosespeciescan'treproduce.ThefinalthinginvolvedinreproducingaspeciesistheLabradorgoes,"Ohlook,aleg.I'llgohumpit,"sothere'stheactualactofreproduction.I'mjusttryingtofigureout,isthereanythinginyourlifeyou'veeverdonethatyou'reashamedof,thatdidn'tcomefromoneofthosethreebehaviors?

JPSears: That'sagreatquestion.Iwouldguessit'dprobablybehardtofindsomethingoutsideofthosebehaviors.

DaveAsprey: Right,andalloftheemotionswe'retalkingaboutinpoliticaldiscourse,inreligiousdisagreements,evenprosporting,like,"That'snotmyteam!"Justthosedeepemotions,thoseemotionscomefromthelowestlevelbacteriathatarerunningourbodies,whicharemitochondria.

JPSears: Welcometotheclubofthinkinglikealow-levelbacteria.Whatthatmeanstome,tome,thatsoundslikeallself-preservation.Ifyouaredifferentthanme,psychologically,something'sdifferentthanme,Iseeitasathreat,soIwanttokillit,fightitorflightit.Tome,yeah,that'saveryself-preservationmentality,andIthinkself-preservation'sgearedaroundcreatingmorequantityoflife,live

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longer,don'tdie,buttome,self-realizationiswhatgivesusqualityoflife.Ithinkself-realizationisn'taboutkillwhat'sdifferentfromme.Ithinkself-realizationisunderstandwhat'sdifferentfromme,becauseIgettoexpand.Idon'tlikehangingoutwithonlylike-mindedpeople.Idon'tgrow.Idon'tgetchallenged.Ilovehangingoutwithlike-heartedpeople,butpreferablylike-heartedpeople,sothere'saacceptance-basedrelationship.It'sasafespace.Butlike-heartedpeoplewhoarealso,atleastattimes,different-minded,notjustlike-minded.Ithinkwheneverybodyagreeswitheachother,it'slike,"Okay,Ifeelmoresenseofcertainty.Ifeelsafer,butI'mnotgrowing.I'mnotgettingchallenged."

DaveAsprey: Thatsenseofsafetythere,fromamitochondrialandnervoussystem,egoperspective,that's,"Okay,great.Nowthat'sallsafe."Ifyoulookatwhatthesebacteriadidwhentheycolonizedourcellsandessentiallytookover,like,"Ohlook,amobilePetriedish.That'sthecoolestthingever.Let'sjustmoverightinandtakeover,andwe'lldecidewhenacelldies,whenacellreplicates,andwe'lldecidehowmuchenergythecellgets."That'swhatthey'redoing,sowhenyouallowthemtobeincharge...It'slikelettingthebatteryinyourphonedeterminewhatyourphone'sgoingtodo.That'sthewrongwaytodoit.Youshouldbeincharge.

Okay,nowIorganizedallthesecellsfullofme,thesebacteria,whichareinalmosteverycellinyourbody.Now,you'rebasicallyawalkingbiofilmwithlotsofcomplexsystemsinit,andthey'relike,"Okay,youneedtohookupwithotherbiofilmslikemefordefense,"whichiswhyyouwouldsurroundyourselfbylike-mindedpeoplewhoarethesameasyou,becauseyoubasicallyformedadistributedbiofilmnow,andthenyou'llreproducewithsomeofthosepeople,andthereyougo.Now,you'vegotatribe,right?Then,ifyouseesomeonewho'sdifferent,you'relike,"That'sathreat.That'snotatribe,"butthosethingsarecomingfromtheverylowestlevel,emergentbehaviorsinareallycomplexsystem.

Whenyourealizethat,whenyouseealike-heartedperson,myviewonallthisisthatokay,thesescaredlittlestupidbacteria,noneofwhichhasmuchintelligence,butwhenyouputaquadrillionofthemtogether,andtheykeepdoingthesebehaviors,civilizationemerges,right?It'skindofcool.Theself-awarenesscomponentofthatisthatokay,nowIseethatIhavethesebehaviors,andratherthanlettingthesebehaviorshappen,I'mgoingtoeitherreprogramthebehaviorssothemitochondriachillthehellout,whichiswhatmeditationdoes,orI'mgoingtotakemorecontrol,whichI'mgoingtousemywillpower,myenergytorationallycatchmyselfintheactofflippingtheguyoffintrafficandgoing,"Actually,Ibelievemyownstory,thathecutmeoffbecausehethinkshe'sbetterthanme,"andIreplaceitwith,"Hecutmeoffbecausehiswifeispregnantinthebackofthecar,andthey'regoingtothehospital."Youdon'tknow.Makeupastorythatmakesyouhappy,right?

JPSears: Forsure.

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DaveAsprey: Itdoesn'tmatter.ThestoryIusuallymakeupisthatherobbedabank,butthebankhadbadmoneyinit,sohe'sgettingaway,andthat'sreallygood.No,I'mkidding.Idon'tmakethatup.Thebottomline,itdoesn'treallymatter.It'sallastory,andnoneofithasanybearingonreality.Thelike-heartedthingyou'resaying,Ithink,iswhenyougobeyondthesurvivalemergentbacterialconsciousnessthatweidentifyasourownbehaviors,whichtheyreallyaren't.Thosearelow-leveloperatingsystemthings.

JPSears: Thatwecarry,butthey'renotus.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Yeah.

JPSears: Yeah.Tome,abiohack...AndwhenI'maroundyou,Icalleverythingabiohack,buttome,trulyitisabiohack.Whenthere'ssomethingwedisagreewith,thebiohackisseektounderstandit,notdisagreewithwhatwedisagreewith,justcreatingmoreresistance,moredivision,butunderstandthatwhichwedisagreewith.Notforthesakeofcomingtotermsofmakingourselvesagreeordisagree,butaimingforthespaceinbetween,whichinmyopinionisjustunderstanding.Tome,that'stolerance.That's,"Oh,you'redifferentthanme.Letmeunderstandyou."Now,wehavepeacebetweenyouandIatthemicrolevel.Ithinkevenpartsofourownego,partsofourpersonality,disagreewitheachotherattimes.Ithinkifwecanfindthatsenseofunderstandingratherthanjustdisagreementandself-conflict,man,thenourworldbecomesalittlebitmoreofagracefulplacetolivein.

DaveAsprey: Although,innerconflictiswheremostofusspendenormousamountsofenergy.

JPSears: No,wedon't.

DaveAsprey: Perfect.TheinnerequationthatIworkedout,andIcertainlyhadalotofvoicesinmyheadforalongtime,isthatthemorevoicesinyourhead,themoreenergyittakestocreatethevoices,andthentomanagethevoices.Itbecomesoverwhelming.Whenyoucanresolveaninnerconflict,itfreesuptheenergythatwascreatingtheconflict,andwhenIsayfreesupenergy,Imeanliterallyelectronsinyourheadforthinkingorwilling.

JPSears: Forsure.

DaveAsprey: Butthen,also,theamountofmanagementofrationalthinkingaboutthisconflictgoesdown,andyou'relike,"Wow.Ifeelfreer,"butwhatyouactuallyfeelismoreenergy,whichequalsfreedom.

JPSears: Ilovethat,yeah.Ilovethat.Ithinkalotofus,wedon'tgiveourselvespermissiontoactuallybeconflicted.Instead,wehaveconflictaboutourconflict.That'ssortoflikenaturalconflict.Ithinkweinherentlydon'tallowthattojustbe,inthesenseof,"Oh,Idisagreewithyou,"or,"Thesetwopartsofme

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disagreewitheachother,andthat'sokay."Allofasudden,ifwecandothat,that'sokaykindofthing,ourconflictcreatesasenseofpeaceandconnectioninsideofourselves.It'sabitofaparadox,andIthinkit'sabeautifulthing,justlikenutritioncomesfromcompost.Therawsewagecreatessomethingthatgivesyoulife.

DaveAsprey: Liketofu.

JPSears: Liketofu,tofurkey,andIlikethebiggametofanimals,liketofiger,tofuna,tofelephants.Ilovebiggamehunting.Thetofuanimalsarealsoeasiertokill,inmyopinion,aswell.

DaveAsprey: Theydon'trunveryfast.

JPSears: No.Theyareverytoslow.Anyway,Ithinkwhenwehavethismentalityinsideofourselvesandinourouterrelationships,thatit'snotokaytobeconflicted,thatit'snotokaytodisagree,we'reconflictedaboutourconflict,andthat'swherewejustreallygethungup,butwhenwecansay,"Oh,wedisagreeaboutthis,andthat'sokay.Idon'tneedtochangeyourmind,youdon'tneedtochangemine,butmaybewecanhaveunderstanding,"andofcourse,thereitisontheinnerworld,aswell.Man,justlikeyousaid,howmuchmoreenergydowereclaimwhenwe'renotjustfightingourconflictallthetime?It'smassive.

DaveAsprey: There'sanothersidetothat,too,whichisthatifIdon'thaveanexplanationforthat,I'mnotsafe.That'sthesourceofsciencetrolls."There'snorationalexplanationforthathappening,therefore,itdidn'thappen."Sorry,showmearationalexplanationforlove,right?

JPSears: Well,Idon'tknowthatloveexists,atthispoint.

DaveAsprey: Right.There'sthatpoint,thatitdoesn'texist.ThepointthatI'mtryingtomakehereisthatpeoplewilloftentimesreject,they'llliterallytellthemselvessomethingthatclearlyhappeneddidn'thappen,becauseitwouldrequireachangeinthinking,whichcreatesasenseoflackofsafety,whichgoesrightbacktothosebacteriasaying,"Runawayfromthingsthatarescary."

JPSears: Forsure.

DaveAsprey: IfIwaswrongaboutmybeliefsaboutthewaybiologyworksorwhateverelse,therefore,it'snotgoingtowork.Theycomein,essentially,withgunsblazing,"You'reanidiot.Here'sastudythatprovesyou'reanidiot,becauseitdisagreeswithwhatyousaid."That'sallfear,likeyouweresayingearlier,andthequestioniswhetherpeopleareabletosimultaneouslysay,"ThisisthehypothesisthatI'mgoingwithrightnow,whichisthatthingsworkthisway."Thismayviolatethehypothesis.Itmaynot.Itmaybeabaddatapoint.Itmaybeawholenewexploration.Whateverofthoseitis,it'scool,andifsomeoneelsethinksit'ssomethingdifferent,letthemdotheresearch.

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Butyouseethesecrazypeoplethatareouttherelike,"Let'sbanresearchonthis,'causeit'salreadybeenprovennottowork."You'relike,"Butactually,that'snothowscienceworks."Youdon'tbanresearchonstuffthatyouthinkdoesn'twork,becausethenyoudon'tlearn,likewejustlearned,"Oh,itturnsouttheimmunesystemdoesconnecttothebrain,wejustdidn'tseeit,'causeitwasrunningnexttoabloodvesselallthistime."Ifwehadbannedresearchonthatbecauseweknewhowitworked,holycrap.Ikindofgetstuckonthat.

JPSears: Yeah.Forme,thatwholefear-basedmentality,Ithinkitbecomeshumannature,orbacterialnature,withinthehuman,tobecomeaddictedtothefamiliar,andtofightthingsthatthreatenmyconstructofwhatisfamiliar.Tome,whereourexhilarationisinlife,it'snotinthefamiliarityofourcomfortzoneofwhat'sfamiliar.That'swherewehaveasenseofsafety.Idon'tevenknowifit'ssafe,butit'swherewehaveasenseofsafety.Butman,theexhilarationiswhenwe'reinthemystery,whenwe'rewalkingthroughtheproverbialdarkforest,whenwe'resteppingoffthecliff,andwedon'tknowexactlywhatwe'regoingtolandin,whenwe'regoingtoland,ifwe'regoingtoland.

DaveAsprey: Oh,you'vebeendoingmushroomsagain?

JPSears: I'mdoingthemushroomsthatmakemehallucinate,butI'mnotdoingmushrooms,soatthispoint,I'mconfused.Inmyopinion,aningredientforagreatlifeiswehavetobewillingtoscareourselvestodeathinordertoactuallylive,notsurvive,butlive.Ithinkwhenwe'renotwillingtoscareourselvestodeath,whatthatmeansis,"I'mgoingtositinthiscoffinofmycomfortzone,staywithwhat'sfamiliar.I'llrepeatthesamepatternsofmyrelationships,samerepetitivepatternsofmyhealth,samerepetitivepatternsofmythinkingaboutwhoIamandwhattheworldaroundmeis."Ifwecanbreakoutofthatcoffinandactuallyembracethemystery,embracetheunknown,embracewhatwefearthemost...IthinkitwaslastweekyoupostedthisawesomevideotoFacebook,thepeopleonthehighdive.

DaveAsprey: Oh,thatwassocool.

JPSears: Itwassoamazing.Youguys,yougottogocheckoutthisvideoonDave'sFacebookpage.Scrollthroughit,you'llfindit.Itwasa15minutelongvideo,andIdon'teventhinkyouhavetowatchthewholething,butpeopleontheedgeofthis-

DaveAsprey: It'slikea10meterhighdive.

JPSears: Yeah,a10meterhighdive,andyouwatchthesepeoplestruggle.Someofthemjustwouldn'tjump.Otherswereupthereforafewminutes.Then,theyfinallydid,andman,isthatametaphoricrepresentationofhowwearerelatingtoourcomfortzoneandresistingthemysteryallthetime.Ifwecanbreakthroughthe

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membraneofthecoffinofourcomfortzoneintothemystery,man,thefreefall,that'swherelifeisat,inmyopinion.

DaveAsprey: There'sastrugglethatwas...ThereasonIlikedthatvideoisyoucouldseethestruggleontheirfaceandintheirbodymovements,andthemeatoperatingsystem,themitochondria...

JPSears: Yeah,really.

DaveAsprey: ...they'relike,"Donotjump.Endofspecies.Ifyougodownthatfar,weknow,asdumblittlebacteria,thatyou'llprobablydie."Therationalbrain'slike,"IknowI'mnotgoingtodie."It'sthestruggleoftherationalbraindecidingtotakeownershipoftheprimitiveinordertocauseyoutojumpover.WhenIwatchedthisvideo,thereasonIactuallyposteditwasyouseethesegrownmenwhoarelike,"Ican'tdoit."Then,youseethismaybe,I'mguessingshewasa17-year-oldgirl.Shelooksattheedge,andshelooksdown.Youcantellitscarestheshitoutofher,andshetakeslikethreestepsback.Shegoes,"Allright,let'sdothis."Bam!Shejustjumps.Shehadthemostballsofanyonewhowentupthere.Itwasjustsocooltoseethat.

JPSears: Forsure.Thatvideoisveryinspiring,Ithinkinspiringintwoways,likeone,seeingagirllikethat,andtwo,inspiringlikehavingthereflexive,justreactiveseizingupandaddictiontocomfort.It'sinspiringtoseethat,belike,"Yep,Ihavethat,too."Iwanttorecognizehowthatplaysoutinmylife,soIwon'tbeabacterial...Iwon'tbeaslavetothatbacterialmaster.

DaveAsprey: I'vecometothepointandhavestrugglesabouthowdoyouhackthebacteria,orthemitochondria,whichwerebacteria,sothatyouhavemoreenergyeveryday,whichletsyouhavemoreenergytomanagethembetter,andthenhowdoyouchangetheenvironmentsothatyougetabatteryupgrade?TheendresultofallthisresearchisIjustbelievethatouregoitselfisanemergentphenomenaofmitochondria.Mycareerintechhasbeenmanagingcomplexsystemsandcorrelatingevents,andyoudon'tmeantocreatehugespikesintheinternetwhenyoujustchangeonelittlebithere,butyoumakeaquadrillionoragoogolplexofdecisionsusingthesetinylittlerules,andyougettheseincrediblycomplex,beautifulpatternsthatnoonewouldpredict.

StephenWolframinventedawholenewfieldofmathematicsaroundinformationtheory,informationfields,andhe'slike,"Youwanttounderstandhowwemakealmostanythinginnature?"Youtakethesetinylittlerulesets,likedumblittlerules,andjustdothemakabilliontimes,touseatechnicalterms,andyougetaflower,andyougetalmosteverythingyou'dexpect.Themostcomplex,beautifulthingsarenotthatcomplex.They'reemergentfromtinyrules.Ibelievethatalotofouregoicbehaviors,theonesthatwe'remostashamedof,areemergentfromthesetinylittlethingsthatareconstantlysensingtheenvironmentandjudgingwhat'sgoingtokeepthisPetriedishalivethelongest,eventhough,quiteoftenwhatthey'retellingyouthedoistotally

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notinyourbestinterest,andthattheactofbecomingself-awareislearninghowtofeelwhenthathappens,andthendecidingwhethertousetheinformationfromthefeeling,orwhethertobecomethefeeling,andthenactwithoutconsciousthought.

That,forme,hasbeenareallybigskill,andoneIwouldn'treallybeverygoodatwithouthavingstuckcomputerstomyhead,tohavealiedetectortesttoseewhenI'mlyingtomyself.Mypowersofself-deceptionarelegion,asareeveryoneelse's.

JPSears: Me,too,forsure.Ilovewhatyou'resaying,tome,that'ssuchagreatwaytoarticulateanupgradedconsciousness,likebeingconsciousovertheunconscious,reactive,self-preservation,mitochondrionbacteriainsideofus.Ithinkthat'samazing.

DaveAsprey: You,inyourbookHowtobeUltraSpiritual,whichissomethingthatwe'reheretotalkabout,inadditiontoalltheotherstuffyou'redoing,whichjustkeepsmelaugh,youtalkaboutvulnerability.Whenyou'retakingoffyourcomedianhat,butIsupposewhenyou'reactingasacomedian,too,youhave...Weallhavethisideaofself-sabotage,thatwedothingsthatgetinyourownway.Iwanttoknowwhatyoudotoself-sabotage,andthenwhat'syourtake,asaholistictrainedcoach,thinkingaboutself-sabotage.Justwalkmethroughyourthinkingaboutthat.

JPSears: Yeah.Youknow,sometimestheworstformofself-sabotageIdoisnotrecognizingtheself-sabotagethatI'mactingout.That'sprobablytheworstthingIdo.

DaveAsprey: Recursiveself-sabotage,you'resaying.

JPSears: Recursive,likeasopposedtoprinting?

DaveAsprey: Soyou'resayingself-sabotageofyourownself-sabotage,orblindnessofself-sabotage?

JPSears: Yeah,blindnessofself-sabotage.Tome,it'skindofliketheideayoucan'tgetoutofaprisonthatyoudon'tknowyou'rein.Ifyou'reself-sabotaging-

DaveAsprey: LikeFacebook.

JPSears: Absolutely,butweknowwe'reinFacebook.ButIgottocheckFacebookrealquick.Doyoumindifwepausethisfor20or30minutes?

DaveAsprey: Ishoulddothesomeonething,too.We'lljust...

JPSears: Butaspectsofmyself-sabotagethatarecommon,overworking.Ifindalotofpurpose,playfulnessinmywork,andthereisapartofmethatoverworksfor

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thesenseofchasingasenseofvaluethatisn'tgoingtobefoundthroughwork.Yeah.Icanreallydepletemyselfburningthecandleatbothends.Tome,self-sabotageistypicallyasymptom,sowhetherwe'reself-sabotagingpsychologically,soit'slikereoccurringpatternsofdepression,sadness,anger,disconnection,orwe'reactingoutbehaviorsofself-sabotage,overworking,eatingfoodsweshouldn't,hangingaroundpeoplethatdon'tserveus.Tome,self-sabotageisalwaysasymptom,andfrommydelusionalperspective,it'sasymptomofunresolvedemotionalpainand/ordisempoweringbeliefsofourselves.Ithinkourself-sabotage,it'sanexpressionthatvalidatesadisempoweringbeliefofselforapainofself.

DaveAsprey: That'sprettydeep.Foryou,you'resayingyoubasicallyburnyourselfoutwhenyou'reself-sabotaging.

JPSears: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Okay.Forpeoplelistening,doyouhaveatoolyourecommendorsomewayforthemtoidentifytheirself-sabotagingpatterns,theonesthey'renotawareof?

JPSears: Well,there'salineof...Aquestion,andasimplequestion,thatIlovetoaskpeopleis,"Okay,whatdoyoudo?"Recognizeyourself-sabotage.That'squestionnumberone.Questionnumber2,whichIthinkissomuchmoreimportantthanwhatdoyou,butit'swhydoyoudowhatyoudo?Ifyoupretendthatwhateveryoursabotageis,there'sapartofyouthathasadamngoodreasonwhyitactsoutthatself-destruction.Sometimes,wemakeupthestorylike,"Ah,I'mdoingthisthing,anditdoesn'tserveme."Well,Ithinkwe'reintelligentpeople.Wewouldn'tbeself-destructingifitdidn'tserveusinsomeway,byserveusmeaningitkindofcompensates.Whatdoyoudo,andthengetcurious,whydoIdothis?

Questionnumberthreeishowdoespartofmebenefitbydoingthis?Okay,Imightsay,"I'vebeeninarelationshipthat'sjust...We'realwaysfighting,andit'sjustobvious.Thisrelationshipdiedthreeyearsago."Okay,sothat'smyreoccurringpatternsofrelationshipdysfunction.WhydoIdothis?Isthisreplicatingasenseoffamiliarityfrommychildhood?DoIfeellikeI'mjustperpetuallynotgoodenoughforher?Then,thethirdquestion,howdoIbenefitfromthat?DoIfindasenseofcomfortinthediscomfortoftheincessantconflict,forexample?Forme,acuriousmindsetisveryimportanttogettothestoryunderthestoryofourself-sabotage,getbeyondthesymptomstotherootinourheartofwhywedowhatwedo.

DaveAsprey: I'velookedatmyownthings,certainlyburningmyselfoutissomethingthatI'vebeenaprofessionalatforalongtime.That'sonewaytoavoiddealingwithfeelingsis,"Ihavetoworkmore.Justonemoreemail.I'llbefine."Then,youcollapse,andthenyourinseandrepeat.Oftentimes,atleastwhenIwasreallymotivatedinmy20s,itwasmorefearoffailurethananythingelse,butImade$6millionwhenIwas26.That'saprettygoodmotivation,ifyouequatefailure

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withdeathinsteadoflearning,you'regoingtogodownthatpath.Icertainlywoulddothat.IcameacrossatoolcalledtheEnneagram.Haveyoueverlookedatthat?

JPSears: Yes,Ihave.Idon'tknowmuchaboutit.I'vegotabookonit.Ihaven'treadit.I'vehadotherpeopledo...ButI'dlovetohearhowthat'sworkedforyou.Idon'tknowmuchaboutit,atall.

DaveAsprey: IcantellyouthatIdon'tremembermyEnneagramnumber,whichmeanstome-

JPSears: Myintuitiontellsmeyou'reasix.

DaveAsprey: Sure.Idon'tevenrememberwhatthenumbersare,butwhenIreadthebookanddidthetestfortheEnneagram,itwasreallyinsightful.ItwastheonlyMyers-Briggsstylescoringsystemthathadthepsychospiritualcomponent,butwhatitsaidisitsaidhere'showyoumanifestwhenyou'redoingthingsinthegoodplaceforyou,andhere'showyoucantellthatyou'restarting...Likehere'syourself-sabotagepatterns.Itactuallywouldtellyoustepone,steptwo,stepthree,stepfour,withshockingprecision.

JPSears: Oh,isthatright?

DaveAsprey: It'sE-N-N-E-A-G-R-A-M,forpeoplethatarelistening.I'mnottrainedinthething.Ireadthebook.Ididaworkshopwithitalong,longtimeago.Ijustrememberthinkingthisthemostcomplete,soifyou'relookingforself-sabotage,likewhydoIdothat,Icantellyou,self-sabotageisamajorissueforalmosteveryone,andit'sgoingtobeinvisible,becausewhatyou'lldoisyou'llsay,"I'mdoingitforareason,"whichisastorythatyoumadeup,oryou'llsayit'ssomeoneelse'sfault,like,"They'remakingmedoit."That'sthatinnerawarenessthing,whichcanonlyreallybereleasedbyreadingHowtobeUltraSpiritualbyJPSears.Iworkedthatpluginseamlesslyforyou,didn'tI?

JPSears: Yeah.Itwasgraceful.Ithinkyouredefinedgrace.Infact,IthinkIcanhearclassicalmusicplayingrightnow,eventhoughit'snotplaying.

DaveAsprey: Youknow,we'regoingtocutsomein,soit'sactuallyplayinglater.

JPSears: Ah,verycool.

DaveAsprey: Soyou[crosstalk00:51:50].

JPSears: Pleasecutthispartout,wherewe'retalkingaboutwe'regoingtocutinit,justsopeople-

DaveAsprey: It'scalledthethirdwall.We'renotsupposedtoviolatethethirdwall,butviolatingthirdwallsispartofyourkitsch,isn'tit?

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JPSears: Idon'tknowwhatitmeans,buttheanswer'sdefinitelyyes.

DaveAsprey: Ithinktheycallit...Itmightbethefourthwall.Igetmynumberswrong,butthere'ssomesortofwallbetweenyouguyswatchingandlistening.I'mnotreallyaTVguy,butIheardsomeonesayitonce,anditmademefeelsmart.

JPSears: Then,it'strue,ifitmadeyoufeelsmart.

DaveAsprey: Yourweirdhumorisrubbingoffonme,anditmakesmefeeldirty.

JPSears: Oh,you'rewelcome.Iappreciatethatcompliment.It'sthenicestthinganybody'seversaidtome.

DaveAsprey: Speakingofcompliments,Idohaveacopyofyourbook,pre-releasedcopyofthebook,andIturnedoverthebooktothebackofthebook,becausewhatIfoundisthatifyoulookatthecoolpictureonthefrontwiththeflowerinyourhair,andyoulookatthebackofthebook,youcanactuallysaythatyou'vereadtheentirebook,becauseyoujustpretendlikeyoudidn'tevenhavetoopenit.Okay.I'veactuallyreadit,readthebook.ThebackofithadaninterestingquotefromaguyI'veheardof,"Loadedwithlaugh-out-loudhumorandintelligentexplorationofthespiritualdelusionsmanyfallpreyto.EnjoyJP'sperceptiveunderlyinginsightswhileyoulaughbeyondallunderstanding,"fromTonyRobbins.That'sprettyhighpraise.Tonygetsaskedtosaystuffaboutbookseveryfivesecondsofhislife,Iimagine...

JPSears: I'msure.

DaveAsprey: ...anddoesn'treallyrespondtothoseemails,Iwouldalsoimagine.I'veneveraskedhimtosayanythingaboutmine,butheoncesaidsomethingniceaboutBrainOctane.Iwaslike,"Holyshit,Tony.That'samazing."YouhadsomeotherpeopleonherethatIwantedtoquote,becauseIthoughtsomeofthesewerealmostasimpressive-

JPSears: They'reallhigh-vibepeople,yeah.

DaveAsprey: "CombinesthewisdomofbeardedJesuswiththeplayfulnessofbabyJesus,"andthatwasaquotefrom,itsayshereTheHolyMotherofGod.

JPSears: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Wow.

JPSears: That'sapowerfulendorsement.ItalmostrivalsTony'sendorsement,butthat'spowerful,inandofitself.

DaveAsprey: "It'sfunnierthantheLawofKarma,"TheUniverse.Thisishighpraiseforabook.Itreallyisacoolperspective.Itisafunnybook,andtheideathatyou'reworking

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thisstuffin,wherepeoplecanpayattentiontotheirweaknesses,theycanlookatwhat'sgoingon,butthroughthelensofhumor.It'sactuallyahardachievementtodo.Youpulleditoff,whichiscool.

JPSears: Well,thankyou,myfriend.Iappreciatethat.Tome,humor,it'salanguage,andIthinkit'salanguagethatwetendtohaveourmind'sdefensessurrenderedwhenwe'retalkingabouthumor.LikeifIstarttalking,youandaretalkingintheserious,"Yeah,we'regoingtogetalittlebitresistant,"especiallyifyoustartsharingnewperspectiveswithme,likeweweretalkingaboutearlier,like,"Ooh,that'sdifferent.Letmeresistthat."

There'ssomethingabouttheenergyofhumor.There'sanon-threateningenergy,soIfindthatthehumanpsychetendstoberelativelylessdefendedwhenwe'retalkinginthelanguageofhumor,soifweembeddeepermessagesinhumor,whichfrommybiasperspective,Idomybesttodothatinmybookandmyvideos,thenit'slikewecanbringthemessagesintoourpsyche.Theycanpenetratedeeper,andwecanconsiderthem,becausewe'vebeenundefended.Wehaven'trejectedthembeforewe'veevenconsideredthem,likewemightdowithnewideas,newperspectivesthatareessentiallytoldtousthroughthelanguageofseriousness.Iknowhumorisnottheonlylanguage,buttome,it'saverypowerfullanguage,underusedlanguage.

DaveAsprey: Itmaybemakespeoplefeelsaferaboutfacingsomeofthese.IrememberwhenIwasfirstgettingintothepersonaldevelopmentsideofthings,I'ddonealittlebitofperformance-orientedneurofeedback,butIhadn'tdon'tanyEMDR.Ihadn'tdone[inaudible00:55:25].Iwasbasicallyinthisplacewhere,"Yeah,I'mprettyangrymostofthetime,butanyotheremotion,there'snootheremotion.Effallthat,right?"

IwentandIdidalotofpersonalexplorationaroundthosethings.Iwouldn'tlookatanythingotherthanthrougharationallens,andalotofpeople,whoareactuallysufferingthemost,havelearnedthatifyoujustmakeeverythinggothroughtheslowestpartofthebrain,whichisthethinkingpart,eventhoughittakesalotofenergytodothat,theneverythingworks,andthenyoujustkindofignoreeverythingunderneaththat.Thisismetabolicallyexpensive.Itwillcostyou,butit'saninvisiblecost,anditburnsalotofenergyinawaythatisn'tmakingyoustronger.Itjustwastesit,andit'senergythatyoucouldusejusttowatchBreakingBadrerunsoverandover.It'sjustfreeenergythat'sjustsittingthere.

Forme,itwasdefinitelyanger,butbehindanger,there'salwaysfear,butIwasreallynotopentohearinganyofthatcrap.Butwhenyoulookatitthroughhumor,allofthedefensivenessgoesaway,becausewhocanbedefensivearoundtherightkindofhumor,anyway?That'sacoolwaytomaybemakepeoplefacethings.OneofthepeopleIhadfirststartedworkingwithsaid,"Oh,youneedtoreadthisbookcalledHealtheShameThatBindsYou."

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JPSears: Oh,byJohnBradshaw,lovethebook.

DaveAsprey: Famousbook,right?ButIwaslike,"Idon'thaveanyshame.Screwyouguys."Tossthebooktotheside.Whatkindofaweaklingwouldhaveshame?

JPSears: Exactly.

DaveAsprey: Like,"Igotnothingtobeashamedof.YouknowhowsuccessfulIam?"

JPSears: Shameisforsmallchildren,notrealmen.

DaveAsprey: Exactly.

JPSears: Dammit.

DaveAsprey: Totally.Irememberthat.Infact,Istillneverreadthatdamnbook.I'mkidding.Itwasoneofthosethingswherethatwasn'taccessibletome,becauseIwasverycognitive.It'snotthatyoustopthinkingforyourself.Igottothepoint,andI'mstillatthatpoint,whereI'veanengineeringbrain,studiedasubsetofartificialintelligenceandcomputerscienceandallthat.Thereisacompletelyrationalpartoftheworld,andpartofmyinnerworld,andthere'salsoacompletelyirrationalpartofit,andtheinnerconflictthatcomesfromthose,Idon'thaveitanymore,becauseI'mlike,"Look,there'sthesestupidbacteriaatthisoperatingsystemofthebodythat'sirrational."It'sananimal.Itdoesn'tfollowlogic.Itdoesn'thavecontext,andatthesametime,there'sarationalsideofme,whichIliketoidentifywithmore,butthefactofthematteristheremaybeacompletegapbetweenthosethings,anditdoesn'tmatter.

JPSears: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Icoulddothingsthatmakemyanimalhappy,thatmakenosense."Yes,I'llsitinadrummingcircle."There'snodoubleblindstudiesinrationalreason,thatyoushoulddoalmostallthethingsthatyouliketodo.Thatwasmyperspectivejustonmaybewhyhumorworks,becauseitcanletyougetpastthatresistancetolookingatyourself.

JPSears: Yeah,andpartofwhatIheardyousayishumorcanbeabridge.Itbridgesthe...Itcanbeamassivecanyon.The18inchesbetweenourheadandourheartcansometimesbejustlike10,000milesofdistance,essentially.Iheardyousayhumorcanbethatbridge.Mydelusionalperspectiveaboutyouisyou'reaveryintelligentguy.Maybethat'snotsodelusional.IthinkyoucouldcrushForrestGumpinanIQcompetition.

DaveAsprey: I'dworkhard.

JPSears: Ithinkforalotofhigh-cognitivefunctioningpeople,theremightbeacouplethingthathappens.One,Ijustwonder,didyoudevelopyourhighcaliber

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cognitivefunctionessentiallyasacompensationtoescapethepaininyourheart,and/ormaybethatwasjustthere,anditwasgoingtobethereallalong,butitbecomesaneasyescapemechanism,andtome...Ijustgetcuriousaboutthat.Idon'tknowifanyofit'strue,buttome,themostbeautifulthingisyouhavetakenpainstakingeffortstobridgethatgap.Iwouldimagineyoucouldjustbeinyourheadallday.Lifewouldseemprettygood,butthere'ssomethingthat'scalledyoutotheadventureofyourheart,andyou'vebridgedthegap.It'sbeautiful.

DaveAsprey: Oh,thankyou.Idon'tknowhowotherpeoplefeel,iftheyliveallintheirhead,butIthinkthatthere'susuallykindofabackgroundscreaminggoingon,thatyou'relivinginyourheadtoavoid,thatyou'lleventuallybecalledtopayattentionto.Otherwise,you'llbemiserable.

JPSears: Yeah.Onthatnoteabouthowotherpeoplemightfeelwholiveintheirhead,tome,oneofthepotentialfeelings,becauseI'vespentsomuchtimeinmyheadinmylife,theworstfeelingisthefeelingofnotfeelingfeelings,numbness.Tome,it'sthemosttormentingsensation,sowhenwe'rewalkingaroundnumb,it'slikeweseelife,weknowlifeisgoingon,butwe'renotexperiencinglife.Ithinkouremotionsareinsideofusforareason,togiveusthethree-dimensionalexperienceoflife,ratherthanjustknowingaboutlife.

DaveAsprey: Well,numbnessisaperception,unlessyouactuallyhaveaseverednerve.What'sgoingonisthemitochondriathatsensetheworldaroundusonamicrosecondbymicrosecondbasis,they'restilltakingallthatin,andthentheycommunicateitatthecelllevel,andsomeofthosecellscommunicateitatthenervelevel,andallthisenvironmentalstuffchangesinthebody,andyou'recapableofsensingallthose.Whatthenumbnessisisactuallyafullondisconnect.Yoursensationofnumbnessisthateitheryouintentionallycutoff,oryoudecidedonsomesubconsciouslevelthatthatisnoise,notsignal,andthatyou'rejustnotgoingtolistentoit.

JPSears: Soit'sthere,you'rejustnotpayingattention.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,andpeoplewhoaremoreontheautism,ADDsideofthings,thesignaltonoiseratioisn'twhereyouwantittobe,sotheyalreadyhaveahardtimefiguringoutwhatthesignalisfromtheirnervoussystem,versusjustrandomwhatevers.Sotheyjusttossallthatcrap.It'stoomuchwork.Idon'twanttodealwithit.Theideaisifsomethingfeelsliketoomuchwork,well,whatifyouhadsomethingthatwascapableofputtingoutalotmorepower?Then,itwouldn'tfeelliketoomuchwork,andthat'swhyHeadStrong,thewholethingofhackingyourmitochondria,iswhatiftheyjustmademoreenergy?Thenwhatfeltlikealotofworkwouldn'tbealotofwork.It'sjustthefundamentallaziness,butitapplieseventosomethinglikebeingawareofwhereyournumbnesscomesfrom.

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See,Ididn'tthinkwe'dgoquitethisdeep.Thisiskindofcool.Iwanttoknow,though,you'vegotahundredmillionYouTubeviews.YouhaveyourUltraSpiritualbook.Youhaveyour,actually,yourfriggin'hilariousthe-shirts,spiritualashellandallthosethings.You'reacreativeguy,andI'veseenyouonstage,acoupledifferenttimes.There'sacreativeprocess.Ihaven'tdoneitonfilmbeforeoronBulletproofRadio,butI'veaskedStephenJenkinsfromThirdEyeBlind,likewhatdoyoudotoprepareforaconcertbeforeyougoonstage?Hepromisedhe'dcomeononeofthesedaysandtalkaboutthat,soI'llgetthatonairatsomepoint.I'dliketoknow,whatdoreallysuccessfulperformersdoinordertomakeyourmaterial?What'syourprocesstogetintoJPSearswithaflowerinyourhair?

JPSears: Yeah.Youknow,Ithinkthere'safewdifferentphasesofthecreativeprocess.Iwouldsaythemostrawofthecreativeprocessiscomingupwiththevideoideasandthendevelopingascript,orwritingthebook.

DaveAsprey: Howdoyoucomeupwithanidea?Thecreativeprocessishard.

JPSears: Bringingintherawmaterials,thatprocessisseeminglyrandom,likethecreativitycomestomewhenI'mnottryingtobecreative.Airplanes,forme,areabigsourceofcreativity,orabig...It'satimewhenalotofcreativityhappens.Idon'tknowwhy.ItmighthavesomethingtodowithI'msomewhatuncomfortable,butjustideasfloodtomewhenI'monairplanes.

DaveAsprey: Youwanttoknowwhy?

JPSears: Yeah,let'shearit.

DaveAsprey: AtleastinthemodelthatIuseat40YearsofZen,andinmyownlife,thefountofcreationisthetastate.It'swhereyougofordreaming.Intuitionandcreativitysitthere,andmostofthetime,whenyouhaveadream,youdon'trememberit.

JPSears: Right.

DaveAsprey: There'sactuallysoftwarethatIuse,calledNeuroMinder,thattrainsyoutorememberwhathappensinthatstate,butwhenyougoonanairplane,you'vegotrelativelypoorqualityoflighting,butyou'vealsogotwhitenoise,likeallthatstuffgoingon,andyouarerelativelyuncomfortable.You'resouncomfortablethatyoucan'tgotosleepveryeasily.

JPSears: Right.

DaveAsprey: What'shappeningisyou'vegotwhitenoiseandessentiallyabackgroundannoyingnessthathelpsyourbodydropintoathetastate,andyou'reuncomfortableenoughthatyoudon'tfallasleep,whereyouwon'tgetallthevaluefromit.Itpopsyouintothatmode.

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JPSears: Fascinating.Soyay.Luckily,I'monairplanesenoughthatIgettotakeadvantageofthat.That'swheretheeQmaterialscomefrom,andthenthenextpartofmycreativeprocessistakingthebigideaandfillinginthemicrocosm,ifyouwill,ofthatidea.Forme,Idedicatethefirstonehourofmyday,aftermymorningroutine,andI'mwokenup,thefirsthourofmyworkdayisdevotedtowriting,soscripting-

DaveAsprey: Liketheartistway,justgettingitoutofyourheadwriting,ormorefocusedworkwriting?

JPSears: No.Itwouldbelikemakingavideoscript,writingthebook,butsomethingthatI'mreallyapplyingmycreativitytoaprojectthat'sgotmaterialtoit.

DaveAsprey: Ifinditkindofirritating,NaveenJain,whenwewason,who...Bytheway,NaveenJainisthefounderofInfoSpace,andtheguywho'sbehindMoonExpressandthenewcompanycalledBiome.HejustinvestedinBulletproofthisweek,whichiscool.

JPSears: Righton.

DaveAsprey: Well,thisweekwhenwe'rerecording,butanyway,nowIhavethiscoolbillionaireinvestorguyonboard,whichisawesome,joinedouradvisoryboard.Naveen,whenIinterviewedhim,I'mlike,"Whatareyourmorninghabits?"Hegoes,"Whytheheckwouldyouwanttoknowmymorninghabits?"I'mmisquotinghim,buthe'slike,"Onlyaloserwouldwanttofollowsomeoneelse'smorninghabits.Youknowwhypeopledothehabits?It'sthethinkingthatmatters."Ikindofwanttoaskyouaboutyourmorninghabits,butIalsodon'twantpeopletothink,"Oh,I'llbejustlikeJPSearsifIjustfollowhishabits,"becauseyourhabitsworkforyou,butyourhabitsmightnotworkforthem.Thatsaid,whatareyourhabits?No.Yousaidyourfirsthour,butyoudon'twakeupinbedandwrite,doyou?

JPSears: No.No,Idon't.FirstthingIdoisItakeacoldshower,thatissostimulating.

DaveAsprey: Hotthencold,orjustcold?

JPSears: Justcold.

DaveAsprey: Wow.

JPSears: Yeah,hardcore-

DaveAsprey: Viking.

JPSears: Yeah,brother.Then,fromthere,Idosomegratitudejournaling,soIwritedown...Actually,thisisadimensionoftheroutineIgotfromTonyRobbins,three

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thingsI'mgratefulfor,buttobringitjustfromhead,andintegrateittomyheart,feelthefeelingsofgratitude.

DaveAsprey: Thesensationofgratitude.Wellsaid.

JPSears: Forsure.Then,IwritedownthreecreativeprojectsthatI'mworkingon,tojustenergizewhat'simportanttome,creatively.Then,Itakea30minutewalk.IcomebackandmakeBulletproofcoffee.I'mnotjustsayingthatbecauseI'mtalkingtoDave.I'vebeenonBulletproofcoffee.Iloveit.

DaveAsprey: Awesome.

JPSears: Yeah.Gettingintoketosisorclosetoit,Idon'tmeasuremyblood,but-

DaveAsprey: Youdon'tneedto.IfyoujustburnOctane,you'regettingsomeketonesjustbydefinition.

JPSears: Yes.IuseacraploadofBrainOctane,grass-fedbutter...LikeI'mtellingyouwhat'sinBulletproofcoffee.DoyouknowaboutBulletproofcoffee?Idofinditmakesanoticeabledifferenceformymentalsharpness,mybrainenergy,andmyphysicalenergy.Typically,thenI'mnoteatingmyfirstsolidfooduntiloneintheafternoon,attheearliest,sometimestwo.Yeah.Then,Itakemycoffee,andIstartmycreativewriting,whatevertheonehourofcreativityis.

DaveAsprey: Doyoutakeanyothersmartdrugs?

JPSears: No.

DaveAsprey: I'llgiveyousomebeforeyougo.

JPSears: Okay.

DaveAsprey: There'ssomethatcanhelp.

JPSears: Iscrystalmethasmartdrug?

DaveAsprey: No.It'sjustastimulant.Wehaverealsmartdrugs.

JPSears: No.Noothersmartdrugs.

DaveAsprey: Ifyou'reopentoit,Iwillgiveyousome.Imakeneutral[inaudible01:08:17]thatarenotdrugs,someoftheBulletproofstuff,butImeanlikeanactualpharmaceuticalsmartdrugsortofthing,thatislegaltogiveyou,becausethey'reover-the-counterstuff.

JPSears: Interesting.Thosekindofscareme,andI'mnoteducatedonthem,butI'mcurious.Whatwouldbetheoneyou'rethinkingof?

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DaveAsprey: Aniracetam.Theonesintheracetamfamilyareexceedinglysafe,andtheyincreasememoryI/O,atleastthatonedoes,andtheydon'thaveaddictivethings,atall.They'renotstimulants.Thebiggestsideeffect,theyamplifycaffeinealittlebit.Someofthem,theyreduceacetylcholine,theneurotransmitter.Theyusemorecholine,becauseyourbrainworksfaster.They'reessentiallyneuroprotective.Yourchancesoflivinglongerwhenyoutakethemarehigher,soI'vebeenonthisstuffalmosteverydayfornearly20yearsnow.

JPSears: Oh,wow.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,andthere'sdifferentvarietiesinthatfamily.Ifyouwanttotrysome,I'llgiveyousome,andthenI'djustsaytakeitwithyourBulletproofinthemorning,whenyouwanttoreallycreatesomethingamazing,andjustseewhathappens.Yourrisksarerelativelylowonthese,andthesearethings...Andanyonecanorderonline.Idon'tsellanyofthem.Ican'ttellyouwherethesafestplacetobuythemis,becausetherearealwayssites-

JPSears: ProbablyTijuana,Mexicoisthesafestplacetobuyanything.

DaveAsprey: Iusuallygetasmoothiemadeoutofthemthere.TheyjustputafewViagra,afewaniracetams,blenditrightupwithsomecactus.

JPSears: [inaudible01:09:42].Yeah,I'mfascinated.I'dlovetolearnmoreaboutthat.

DaveAsprey: Allright.I'llgetyousome.SomeofthemostcreativepeopleIknow,theydogettheboostfromhaving...It'snotjustketones,likeBrainOctaneandallthat,butnicotinecanhelp,too,evenifyou'renotasmoker.Iwroteafewblogpostsabouthowyoucanusenicotineasasmartdrug.Whenyouthinkaboutit,almosteverygreatworkofliteraryfictionwaswrittenwithcopiousamountofcoffee,nicotine,andsometimesalcohol,whichisnotaperformanceenhancer.Thereissomethingaboutthat,soI'mahugefanofmicrodosingnicotine.I'veneversmoked.Smokingisbadforyou.Iwouldneversmoke.

JPSears: Sure.

DaveAsprey: Butthatonecompoundisbetterstudiedthancaffeine.IfIwastopickthemoststudiedsmartdrugontheplanet,it'snicotine.MaybeI'dtakemodafanil,whichItookforlikeeightyears,andalsowillblowyourwritingaway,butit'sabiggergun.Foryou,that'sprobablytoobig,but-

JPSears: AreyousayingIcan'thandleit,Dave?

DaveAsprey: I'mjustsayingyoudon'twanttohandleit.

JPSears: Okay.Thankyou.Ifeelbetteraboutmyself,now.

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DaveAsprey: Ican'timaginethatcalm,thekindofcalm,centeredvoiceonmodafanilandsomecaffeine.It'dbemoreBeavisandButt-Head,andjustlessJP.Idon'tknowifthat'dbetherightvibeforyou.

JPSears: Yeah,thatchangesmycharacter,mypersonality,like,"Youaresomeonedifferent."Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Theonethingthatalotofpeopletellmeaboutmodafanil,notnicotine,is...AndsomethingIfelt,aswell,yourmindworkssofastthatit'sirritating,becausepeoplearetalkingsoslow.

JPSears: Isthatright?

DaveAsprey: Youknowwhatthey'regoingtosay.Iftheycouldjustfinishsayingit,thenyoucouldgoontowhat'snext.Youactuallyhavetomanagethat.Itcanbe,especiallythefirstcoupleweeks,itcanbealmostlikeasenseofrage.

JPSears: Isthatrage?

DaveAsprey: Because,"WhyiseveryonearoundmesoGoddamnslow?"ItookAdderallforaboutamonth.Ihadaprescriptionforitalongtimeago,justtotryit.Itwasahorribledrugforme.

JPSears: Wasit?

DaveAsprey: Iwastakingsmalldoses,andlike,"Pleasedon'ttouchme."Itwasnotgood.It'snotampylikethat,butit'sjustlikeeverythingisfast.Atleastyou'refast,buteverythingelseisslow,andthat'snotagoodfeelinguntilyoujustgetusedtorunningatahighspeed.

Thatsaid,Ididgive...Ididn'tgive.Iexplainedhowthisworkedtoaguydoingareallylong,detailedproposalfortheDalaiLama.Anotherguy,who'swrittenaverysuccessfulbookabouttheglobalbrain...Infact,hewasontheshow.Ithinkhetalkedaboutthis.Ihopehedid,SteveOmohundro.Sorry,Steve.Ithinkyoudidtalkaboutthatinyourblog.Steve'safriendandAIresearcher,andanotherperson,who'saclinicalhypnotherapist.Eachofthemhad100mgofmodafanilforthefirsttime.Ijusttoldthemhowthestuffworked,andtheyhadtheirowndoctorprescriptionsandallthatkindofstuff.Then,theyallcamebackaweeklater,like,"Ijusttookthatonedose,"andtheDalaiLamaguy'slike,"IfinishedtheproposalI'vebeenworkingonforweeksandweeks.Ifinisheditallatonce,andit'sthebestwritingI'veeverdone,andtheyacceptedmyproposal."Steve'slike,"Twochaptersofmybook!"

JPSears: That'sawesome.

DaveAsprey: Soforcreativestuff,Ihaven'ttakenthestuffinaboutfouryears,becauseImeasuredmybrain.Aftereightyearsofbeingonit,mybrainrunsatthatspeed

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withoutit,aslongasIfollowtheBulletproofDiet.IfIgooutandeatinflammatoryfoods,I'mbacktomyslow,normalself,butonuniversitygradelevels,youcan'tdothat,soifyou'rewritingyouropus,I'dsaygofortheracetams,addinsomemodafanil,alittlesprayofnicotine,andadoubleBulletproofcoffee,butjustdon'tgoonstagethenextday,becauseyouwouldn'tbeyourself.

JPSears: Imightdevelopanewcharacter.

DaveAsprey: AngryJP.

JPSears: That'sfascinating.Thatguygotallhoppeduponallthat,andthenhedidamarriageproposaltotheDalaiLama,andtheDalaiLamasaidyes.Isthatthemoralofthestory,thatIgather?

DaveAsprey: It'sthemoralofthestory.

JPSears: I'magoodlistener.

DaveAsprey: Afterthat,hewasonewitheverything.Thatwasprettygood.Yougottogivemecreditforthat.

JPSears: Idigress.DidyouhearthejokeabouttheDalaiLamaorderingahotdog?

DaveAsprey: Ialreadyknowthepunchline.

JPSears: Yeah.It'sjustgoingtobeaterriblejoke.Iwon'tevensayitever,butyou'veprobablyheardit.Ifyouhaven't,it'snotreallyworthlisteningto,certainlybyDaveandJP.

DaveAsprey: Allright,soIinterruptedyoubysuggestinganupgradetoyourBulletproofcoffeethere,whichwasterriblyrudeastheinquisitivequestionerhere.

JPSears: Yeah,andI'moffended.

DaveAsprey: I'mjusttryingtoaddsomevaluetoyourotherwisevaluelesswork.See,thatkindofthing,itdoesn'tfeelgoodtosayit,becauseIknowyoudon'ttakethatseriously,butevenso,Idon'tliketosaykindsofthings.WhenIsaidthat,Ifeltbad.

JPSears: Ilovethatyoufelthowitfelttoyou.Wasissarcasm?Yes.Didithurtme?No,butithurtyou,andIthinkit'ssoawesomeyoucouldfeelthat,belike,"Oh,comingfromthatangle,Idon'twanttodothatagain."

DaveAsprey: Yeah,butitwasstillkindoffunny.

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JPSears: Yeah.Ithinkthefunniestjokesaretheoneswhereyouhavetotellotherpeoplethatthey'refunny.

DaveAsprey: Igottomastertheoneeyebrowraise.You'vekindofgotthatprettywell...

JPSears: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

DaveAsprey: Allright.Ifyou'rewatchingthisonYouTube,thatwasfunny,becausewewerehavingalittleeyebrowwarthere,butasitwasonyourcommute,you'relike,"Theseguysarekindofweird."Allright,sowetalkedaboutyourmorning.YoudotheTonyRobbinsgratitudejournaling.YouuseBulletproof.Youdon'teatuntiltwo,whichisverysimilartomymorning,althoughIdon'tdothegratitudestuffinthemorning.Ihavechildren,somygratitudepracticeinvolves,"Putonyourshoes.Putonyourshoes.Putonyourshoes.Getinthecar,"andyoujustrepeateverythingfiveorsixtimes,andeventually,ithappens,andthenyou'regratefulthatithappens.

JPSears: Yeah.It'slikeamantrathatactuallyworks.

DaveAsprey: Then,Icomeback,andIdobiohackingstuff,soI'lldothegratitudestuffintheevening.Okay,soyoudothat,andyoustructureyourwritingsothefirsthourisessentiallynewscripts,likeyourmostpowerfulwritingisthefirsthour,andthenyougointoworkmodeafterthat?

JPSears: Yeah.Yeah,soworkmode.Mywritingispartofmywork,butIdon'tevenliketocallitwork.That'swhyIcallitthecreativetime.Yeah.Then,I'llgointowork,soitmightbeinterviewsthatarescheduled,clients,meetings,filmingvideos.

DaveAsprey: Okay,cool.Whenyouaregoingtobeeithershootingavideoorgoingliveonstage,whatdoyoudotogetinthezoneforthat?

JPSears: Verydifferent.Withavideo,likecalmdown,justfindmycenter,breathinglikemeditation,likeIjustneedcalmandslowness.WhenI'mgoingonstageinfrontofanaudience,it'sjusttheopposite.Iwanttogethypedup.Idon'tgoonstageyellingandscreaming-

DaveAsprey: Youdon'tseemhypedupinfrontofaudience.That'syourcharacter.

JPSears: Yeah,butIliketojustreallyraisemyenergy,eventhoughIdon'tprojectmyvoiceloudandmovearoundwithalotofdynamicmotion,butIjustlovetoenterthestagebeingkindoflikeashighfrequencyasIcan.Also,partofmygoonstagepracticeisremindmyself,"Iamheretogive.Thisisn'taboutme."IfindwhenItrytomakethisaboutme,"Iwantthistogogood,soeverybody'spleased,soIfeelbetteraboutmyself,"that'swhenIstarttofeelalittleanxiety,alittlenervous.Itjusttakesmeoffmycenter,butwhenIremindmyself,"I'mheretogive.Thisisfortheaudience,"itjustputsmeinamuchbetterstate,similartowhatgratitudejournalingwould.Itputsmeinagivingframeofmine.

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DaveAsprey: It'sinteresting.Beingofserviceofothersisoneofthethingsthatreliablygetssomepeopleintoaflowstate.Somepeoplehavetobeinfearofdeath,offallingdownamountainwithafailingparachuteorsomethingtoreallygetintheflowstate.Butfortherestofus,whoaren'tgoingtogetmortallywounded,it'saprettyreliablewaytodoit,soforyou,justthatmindset.Samething,Idon'thaveanystressonstage,becauseI'mlike,"I'mheretogive,"butifI'mlike,"I'mheretotake,"Imighthaveanxiety,butIdon'tknow.That'sjustnotwhatIdoanymore.Ihearyouthere.Yougetsuperhyped.Youdosomebreathingbeforeyougoonstage.Then,youjustgoon,andyoudeliver.

JPSears: Yeah.Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Howconsciousareyouwhileyou'redeliveringit?Areyoudoingthememorizething?Areyouthinkingofeverything?Areyouwatchingtheaudience?Whatdoyoudowithyourmind?

JPSears: Yeah.I'llgiveyouacoupleanswers.IfI'mgoingonstagetodocomedy,typically,mystagetime,I'meitherdoingcomedyorI'mgivingasincerediscussionfrommyheart.WhenI'mdoingcomedy,muchlikethenatureofalotofstandupcomedy,Idohaveitscripted.I'vegotmyquoteunquote"routine",butIliketobesosolidonthat,thatit'ssomethingtolaunchoffof,soIloveengagingwiththeaudience,justimproving,whenthere'slittleinteractions.Tome,it'ssobeautiful,sobeingabletobepresentwithpeople,essentiallyhavetheroutinesoingrainedinmynervoussystemthatIdon'thavetothinkaboutit,soIcanbemorepresent,andIjustlovethatfeel.Ithinkitgivesabetterproduct,ifyouwill.

IfI'mgoingonstagetodelivermoreofasincerediscussionofmyheart,whetherit'saboutauthenticity,healing,growth,whateveritmightbe,I'llknowthetopicthatI'mgoingtotalkabout,I'llprobablyknowsomekeypointsorprinciples,butIliketobeveryunscripted.Iliketobeveryspontaneousandgetintotheflowstate,connectingwiththeaudience,soitcanbeatruecommunication,notjustamonologue.EvenifI'mtheonlyonetalking,communication,tome,isdifferentthanamonologue.It'slikeI'mfeeling,I'mreceiving,I'mlookingatthebodylanguage,andsoundingairyfairy,butfeelingtheenergyoftheaudience.

DaveAsprey: Anyeffectivepresenterandanyeffectiveteacherinalivesettinghasasenseofthefeedbackfromtheroom.It'sprobablyelectromagnetic,becauseweknowthatyourheartratevariabilitywillchangeinresponsetothosearoundyou,andtheirswillchanceinresponsetoyours.IbecameamoreeffectivespeakerwhenIlearnedtotrainmyheartratevariability.Ihaveahigheramplitudeheartratevariability,andit'scalledcoherent,soit'snon-chaotic.Peoplearelike,"Idon'tknowwhy,butitfeelscalmer."Theroomwillresonatewithyouifyoudoitright.Ithinkyouhavetobeinaflowstatetodothat,aswell.

JPSears: Verycool.

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DaveAsprey: Then,whenyou'reawareofthat,ifyousaysomethingthattakesyououtofthezone,it'sbecauseitprobablytooktheaudienceoutofthezone,andyou'rekindofatonewiththem,insomesense.Isthatadescriptionofwhatyou'redoing?

JPSears: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Youmaynotbedoingheartratevariabilityexercises,butdoesthatsoundthesame?

JPSears: Yeah,100%,absolutely.It'sjustlikeifyou'redancing,you'regoingtobepayingattentiontoyourdancepartner,andthedancewillgowell.It'llbeenjoyable.It'llbegraceful.It'llbeabeautiful,artisticexpressionifyou'repayingattentiontoyourdancepartner.Tome,beingonstage,youhaveadancepartner.It'snotaonepersonthing.It'sacollectiveconsciousnessofeverybodythat'sinthere,soman,Ithinkhalfthetalkisreceivingwhatthedancepartner'sgivingyou.

DaveAsprey: Verywellsaid.Wow,Ineverthoughtaboutdancingwithmyaudience,butmaybethat'sbecauseyouraudienceismoreattractivethanmine?

JPSears: Iactuallyhaveaveryattractiveaudience.Thankyouguysverymuch.

DaveAsprey: That's[crosstalk01:21:33].

JPSears: Dave,let'sgettothebottomofthis.Areyousayingyouraudienceisugly?AreyousayingfansofBulletproofRadioareunattractive?

DaveAsprey: Iwasimplyingthat,butIdidn'tactuallysayit,butitwasanalternativefact,soitwasokay.

JPSears: YouloveDonaldTrump.Conversation'sover.

DaveAsprey: Oh,man.Now,you'vepolarizedeveryone.Theproblemis,Idon'tknowwhichpoleI'mon.I'mveryconfusednow.

JPSears: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: I'mgoingtodosomeself-sabotagerightnow.

JPSears: Davelovesyouguys.Hedoes,Ipromise.

DaveAsprey: Onthatnote,Ican'tthinkofabetterwaytoendtheshow.YouguysshouldcheckoutHowtoBeUltraSpiritual,JP'snewbook,andno,actually,JPdidn'tpaymeortwistmyarmtosayanythingabouthisbook.I'mactuallyjustsayingthingsbecauseIalwaysbringauthorsonwhowritegoodstuff,becauseI'massumingifyou'rewillingtospendanhourofyourtimelisteningtoBulletproofRadio,thatyouprobablycareaboutwhat'sinyourhead,soIwillsuggestthingsthatyoumightwanttoputinyourhead.Thisisagoodread,andit'sfunny,and

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hey,TonyRobbinsagrees,sowho'sgoingtoarguewithTonyRobbins?He'slike99feettallorsomething.He'stallerthanme.Don'targuewiththatguy.He'llpoundyourface.

JPSears: Thankyouforthebeautifulwordsaboutthebook.Isoappreciateyou.

DaveAsprey: You'rewelcome.IappreciateyoucominguptotheLabsandhangingoutforaday.We'vecryotherapiedyouanddoneallsortsofothercrazystuffforyou.

JPSears: Yeah.Ahardcoreworkoutinfourminutes?Thatisamazing.

DaveAsprey: Inoticedyou'relookingalittlebitlessweakthannormal.

JPSears: Oh,Dave,Ididn'tevenknowthatyouwouldnotice.Ah,I'mgettingtired.Bytheway,you'relookinglessweakthannormal,too.You'vegotsomegirthonyourarms,brother.

DaveAsprey: I'vebeendoingSERMs,SelectiveEngineReceptorModifiers.Iwroteapostaboutit,andItriedastackofthemawhileback.Itdidn'ttakethatmuch,soIaddedanotherone,andIputon19poundsofmuscleinamonth.

JPSears: Wow.

DaveAsprey: Ididfourworkouts,sothatwas-

JPSears: Onlyfourworkoutsoverthecourseofamonth?

DaveAsprey: Itwasstupid.Yes.Iwasn'ttryingtoputon19poundsofmuscle.Ifyouguyseverseemeinperson,I'mnotasmalldude.I'm6'4,andI'malreadyimposingenough.NewYorkTimessaidIwasalmostmuscular.I'mlike,"That'swhatmakesyoulivealongtime,iswhenyou'realmostmuscular,"likeenoughmusclemass,butnotenoughtostresstheheart.Myshirtbarelyfits.Ihadtobuyanewsuit.I'mlike,"Thissucks.Idon'twanttobeHulkingoutofmyclothes."Butitwasnice,becauseIlostsomefatatthesametime,butIcannotclaimitwasjustthatexercise.Ididoneelectricalstemandthreeofthecomputerizedresistancetrainingonesthatyoujustdiddownstairs,andacoupleyogaclassesinthere,too.Itwaslike...SoI'mgoingtobedoinganotherroundofthoseatsomepoint,justforfun.Idon'twanttogetanybeefierthanthis.

JPSears: [crosstalk01:24:28].Yeah,watchit.Idigress.ThelastthingI'llsay,oneoftheeffectiveworkoutroutinesthatI'mdoingisItakemyshirtsize,andthenIwearashirttwosizessmallerthanthat.Ican'tsayenoughforhowmuchbiggerthatmakesmymuscleslook.

DaveAsprey: It'sworkingformerightnow.

JPSears: Yeah.

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DaveAsprey: Iwashedthisshirtinhotwater,andIgainedfivepoundsofmuscles.

JPSears: Yeah,sowearingyourwife'sshirts,Ithinkisworkingsowellforyou.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Thebackstrapsareparticularlyattractive,Ithink.

JPSears: Ithinktheyare.Thankyouforhavingmeon,Dave.Thishasbeenatreat.

DaveAsprey: It'sbeengreatfun,JP.Ilookforwardtohangingoutnexttimewegetachancetohangout,andhopefully,you'llbeatthenextBulletproofconference.We'llseeifwecangetyourtraveltolineup.

JPSears: I'dloveto.

DaveAsprey: Beforewesignoff,HowtoBeUltraSpiritual,wheredopeoplegotogetthis?Areyoudoingsomesortofabooklaunch?Wedidn'tplananyofthis.Ijust[crosstalk01:25:21].

JPSears: Yeah.Youcanreallygetitanywherebooksaresold,Amazon,Barnes&Noble.Youcanalsogotohowtobeultraspiritual.com,butreallyanywhereyouwanttogetitonlineisthebestplace.

DaveAsprey: Allright.Haveanawesomeday,andsinceyou'relistening,andallofthat,ifyoulikedthesubset,whichIgottosay,wewentplacesthatIdon'tnormallygointheseepisodes,alotofpersonaldevelopmentstufffromsomeonewho'sbothtrainedinprofessionaldevelopmentandcomedy,whichiscool.GotoiTunes,takefivesecondstoexpresssomegratitude,andjustleavealittlefivestarreview,becauseitreallyhelpspeopleknowthatthisisagoodpodcastandthatit'sworthyoftheirtime.Then,justshareitwithafriend.Say,"Heyyoushouldsubscribetothis."That'soneofthebiggestthingsyoucoulddotosaythankstoanauthor,isyoubuyacopyoftheirbook,oryoutellsomeoneelseaboutthem,andthat'swhatletsgoodideasspread.Thanksfordoingthat.Beforewesignoff,gottoaskyoutheBulletproofquestion.You'veheardenoughepisodesofBulletproofRadio.Youalreadyknowthequestion,don'tyou?

JPSears: I'mgoingtopretendlikeIdon'tknow.

DaveAsprey: Oh,awesome.Fakesincerity,that'ssocool.

JPSears: Actually,Idon'tknow.Ihaven'tbeentakingenoughBrainOctane.

DaveAsprey: Soyouhaven'tactuallyeverheardtheshowbefore.IsthatwhatI'mhearing?

JPSears: Soyou'resayingyoudohaveapodcast?

DaveAsprey: Lovely.

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JPSears: Ithoughtallthisequipmentwasjustforshow.

DaveAsprey: Here'sthequestion,ifsomeonecametoyoutomorrowandsaid,"IwanttoperformbetterateverythingIdo.Whatarethethreemostimportantpiecesofadviceyouhaveforme?"Whatwouldyoutellthem?

JPSears: Great.Makeyourselfintentionallyuncomfortableeverydamnday,justlikewementioned,mediate,andthenpracticethelivingheckoutofwhateveritisyoudo.Iamintohackingthesystem,andIalsoamafanofkindofliketheoldcliché10,000hourruletomastery.Man,Ithinkthatdeservesrespect,sopracticeyourcraft.

DaveAsprey: Loveit.Thanks,JP.

JPSears: You'rewelcome,brother.