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Page 1: Doc.: IEEE 802.11-01/274 Submission May 2001 John M. Kowalski et al, Sharp. AV Multicast for 802.11e: Benefits/Challenges Sharp Corporation John Kowalski

May 2001

John M. Kowalski et al, Sharp.

Doc.: IEEE 802.11-01/274

Submission

AV Multicast for 802.11e:

Benefits/ChallengesSharp Corporation

John Kowalski

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May 2001

John M. Kowalski et al, Sharp.

Doc.: IEEE 802.11-01/274

Submission

CONTENTS

• Multicast Applications• Limitations of Current & Draft

Standard• Requirements for AV Multicast• Options to meet this challenge• Discussion Points of AV Multicast• Summary

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John M. Kowalski et al, Sharp.

Doc.: IEEE 802.11-01/274

Submission

Multicast Application –1• For the Home Application, there are many AV

devices.• “1 to n” communication will be necessary

especially for the AV application. - e.g. Tuner and TV

TV on 2nd floor

TV in Living room

Mobile Viewer

BS/CS Tuner CATV STB

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John M. Kowalski et al, Sharp.

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Multicast Application –2• For the Home Application,

Several AV devices will be used for realizing the one AV application. – e.g. Home theater System

Monitor

Stereo

DVD Player

Rear surround speaker

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Multicast Application –3• For Office,

Multicast also might be useful. – e.g. Video conference System

Center Projector

VIDEO SharingWhite Board Sharing

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John M. Kowalski et al, Sharp.

Doc.: IEEE 802.11-01/274

Submission

Limitations of Current & Draft Standard

• Multicast groups need to be defined -that take advantage of 11e- in order to do true multicasting (as opposed to multiple synch’d streams)

• AND– Multicast is an unacknowledged service

(in 802.2)– BUT we need some ACK mechanism at

least in the near term.

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John M. Kowalski et al, Sharp.

Doc.: IEEE 802.11-01/274

Submission

Discussion Points of AV Multicast

• Groupcast address definition for AV Multicast– Which kind of address should be used?– How to make a standard?

• Grouping sequence– How to decide the address? HC? Image

source?– How does the ESTA join the group?– How to inform the group address?

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John M. Kowalski et al, Sharp.

Doc.: IEEE 802.11-01/274

Submission

Requirements for AV Multicast

• For realizing the AV application, the followings are required for the Multicast transfer.– Forward error correction (RS-code)– Delayed Acknowledgement– Retransmission mechanism

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Doc.: IEEE 802.11-01/274

Submission

So what are our options? (1)

• Do nothing – Positive: We don’t have to do

anything.– Negative: We miss out on a huge

application market OR use multiple synch’d streams, which are horrendously inneficient.

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So what are our options? (2)

• Work with 802.? to develop recommended practice for QoS enabled multicast groups with acknowledged service – Positive: Would provide a single

solution for all 802.X wireless systems. Long term solution

– Negative: Takes time. Problems with legacy equipment?

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So what are our options? (3)

• Provide a solution that works for 802.11– Positive: Would harmonize well with work

going on to integrate 802.11 with AV/1394 systems. Could be done relatively quickly.

– Negative: Would have to provide an interface, and services that would not be conformant to current 802.2 standard.

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So what are our options? (4)

• Use Transport Layer via IETF practices for Multicasting...– Positive: Would harmonize well with

work going on to integrate 802.11 with AV/1394 systems. Could be done relatively quickly.

– Negative: Can latency/jitter/buffer size requirements be met?

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Summary

• We believe the AV multicast expands the wireless application market greatly for 802.11.

• We want to start the discussion about the AV multicast.

• Any help/additional options would be greatly appreciated.