e ttf fleet meeting 1 june 30 2011
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Electric Truck Task Force first meeting took place on June 30, 2011 via webinar.TRANSCRIPT
E-Truck Task ForceFleet Meeting #1
Bill Van AmburgSenior Vice President
Whitney PitkanenProject Manager
June 30, 2011
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Goal of Task Force
• The overall goal of this effort is to speed and support effective E-Truck production and use. In the short term, it will specifically: – Identify key issues/barriers that need targeting; – Develop an action plan for addressing those issues; and
then – Work to implement those recommendations with industry
and public partners.
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UPDATE
• Clearly cost is biggest barrier to e-truck purchase• One that point, as we have noted, Calif HVIP program now has
essentially doubled the e-Truck voucher (in some cases >$40k)• NY will hopefully launch a voucher like Calif’s in the fall• But what is there for other regions? Senators Kohl and Blunt
have just re-introduced a Hybrid and Electric Truck tax credit bill in the US Senate (CALSTART supports this measure)
• Up to $24k tax credit for vehicle purchase. Need strong industry and fleet support to have a chance of passage– Info:
http://www.calstart.org/projects/hybrid-truck-users-forum/htuf-blog.aspx
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Today’s Agenda
1. Service, support and quality needs – 20 min• What are the key issues that fleets are encountering with
regard to service and support from manufacturers?• What more do fleets require? (eg., extended warranties,
battery life guarantees, etc.)
2. Infrastructure needs – 20 min• Discussion regarding state-of-the-art high-powered charging
systems. • What are the challenges that fleets are encountering re
recharging?• What solutions would a set of ‘best practices for fleet
recharging’ contain?
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Service, Support and Quality Needs
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Service, Support and Quality Needs (detail)
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What Would Cause Increased Purchases?
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Key Barriers to ExpansionBy Respondent
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Discussion
• Prioritize service/support issues• Local dealer or support staff• Localized part storage• Factory testing before sending vehicle out (some high
failure rates, but decent support)• Extended warranties – especially battery warranties (5-8
or up to 10 years)• Lease batteries and pay
• Wiring harnesses/wiring integrity• Need better battery management systems with better
than pack level management• Worry: warranties add to price increase
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• What are the messages to send to manufacturers?
• What solutions would encourage greater purchases from fleets?
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Infrastructure Needs
• SAE J1772: North American standard for 120V and 240V electrical connectors for EV’s maintained by the Society of Automotive Engineers
• As of February 2010, the SAE J1772 committee is continuing the standardization process with designing a higher-voltage DC Fast Charging connector.• According to report by CARB (May 2011), U.S. quick-charge
standard will be based on the SAE recommendation for a single-port, multi-function connector, rather than both the CHAdeMO and J1772 connectors.
• SAE decision not expected until late 2012
Status of U.S Charging Protocols
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Infrastructure Needs
• Size of electrical connections is important• Level 2 charger now extended to 100A line (“Tesla rule”)
- 208 VAC, 80 Amps 16.6 kW- 240 VAC, 80 Amps 19.2 kW
• Good for larger truck batteries• Smith Electric has gone up to 19.2kW and Clipper Creek allows for
80 amps
• Compliance with National Electrical Code safety requirements is necessary (Article 625) • Level 2 charging requires EVSE that is permanently mounted and
hardwired to a dedicated 240V circuit.• EVSE must have UL-listed personnel protection system and UL
listed cable and connector assembly.• UL-listing is essential or local inspector won’t sign off
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Infrastructure Needs
UL-listed EVSE
Level 2
Pluginamerica.org
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Discussion
• Prioritize infrastructure issues• Have found there are limits where can park trucks (due to
infrastructure costs and location) – takes planning• Manageable with one or two trucks – but concerned about adding
more• Cost is big to install; one fleet reported $6-8k per EVSE installation, not
counting costs to break concrete and install conduit – focusing on where they already have infrastructure/power
• Truck makers early on had set up issues – integrating with EVSE• Vendors need to be more “up front” when selling trucks what the
options and costs are for the recharging part of owning the trucks• Infrastructure needs to be explained better with cost estimates• “Feels like we have to pry information out of truck sellers”• Big issue to total cost of ownership – need to know costs at time of
purchase so can link to cost of vehicle and include this in the capital cost; otherwise hits fleet expenses
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• What are the barriers or issues where you need more info, help?• Like to have a “clearinghouse” of information around e-
trucks and be able to learn from best practices of peers; learn problems to avoid, issues with vendors/systems
• Would a description of a “standard hook-up” for e-trucks, with checklist of options, be helpful?• Yes – Whitney will call fleets to get there experiences
and start to frame the cost, process, and options
Discussion
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Proposed Agenda Topics for Fleet Meeting #2
• Any updates/new info from June 30 issues• Business case validation• Performance validation data• Feedback from Industry Meeting #1
Suggested dates:
– Thursday, July 21st
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