eastman chemical (emn) earnings report: q4 2014 conference...
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EastmanChemical(EMN)EarningsReport:Q42014ConferenceCallTranscriptThefollowingEastmanChemicalconferencecalltookplaceonJanuary30,2015,08:00AMET.Thisisatranscriptofthatearningscall:
CompanyPart icipants
GregRiddle;EastmanChemical;VP-IRMarkCosta;EastmanChemical;Chairman,CEOCurtEspeland;EastmanChemical;EVP,CFO
OtherPart icipants
KevinMcCarthy;BofAMerrillLynch;AnalystDavidBegleiter;DeutscheBank;AnalystFrankMitsch;WellsFargoSecurities;AnalystJohnRoberts;UBS;AnalystVincentAndrews;MorganStanley;AnalystJamesSheehan;SunTrustRobinsonHumphrey;AnalystJeffZekauskas;JPMorgan;AnalystP.J.Juvekar;Citigroup;AnalystLaurenceAlexander;JefferiesandCo.;AnalystBobKoort;GoldmanSachs;AnalystMikeSison;KeyBancCapitalMarkets;Analyst
MANAGEMENTDISCUSSIONSECTION
Operator:
GooddayandwelcometotheEastmanChemicalCompanyfourth-quarterfull-year2014earningsconferencecall.Thisconferenceisbeingrecorded.ThiscallisbeingbroadcastliveonEastman'sWebsiteatwww.eastman.com.WewillnowturnthecallovertoMr.GregRiddleofEastmanChemicalCompanyInvestorRelations.Pleasegoahead,sir.
GregRiddle (VP-IR):
Thankyou,Jake,andgoodmorning,everyone,andthanksforjoiningus.OnthecallwithmetodayareMarkCosta,CEO;CurtEspeland,ExecutiveVicePresidentandCFO;andJoshMorgan,ManagerInvestorRelations.BeforewebeginI' llcoverthreeitems.
First,duringthispresentationyouwillhearcertainforward-lookingstatementsconcerningourplansandexpectations.Actualresultscoulddiffermaterially.CertainfactorsrelatedtofutureexpectationsareorwillbedetailedintheCompany'sfourth-quarterandfull-year2014financialresultsnewsreleaseandinourfilingswiththeSecuritiesandExchangeCommission,includingtheForm10-Qfiledforthirdquarter2014andtheForm10-Ktobefiledfor2014.
Second,earningspershareandoperatingearningsreferencedinthispresentationexcludecertainnon-coreornonrecurringcosts,chargesandgains.AreconciliationtothemostdirectlycomparableGAAPfinancialmeasuresandotherassociateddisclosures,includingadescriptionoftheexcludeditems,areavailablein
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ourfourth-quarterandfull-yearfinancialresultsnewsreleasewhichcanbefoundateastman.comintheInvestorssection.Projectionsoffutureearningsinthefinancialpresentationalsoexcludesuchitemsasdescribedinthefourth-quarterfinancialresultsnewsrelease.
Lastly,we'vepostedslidesthataccompanyourremarksforthismorning'scallonourWebsiteinthePresentations&Eventssection.WiththatIwillturnthecallovertoMark.
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
Goodmorningandthankyouforjoiningus.Iwillbeginonslide3.2014wasastrongyearforEastmanaswecontinuetomakeprogressonourgoalbecomingaleadingspecialtychemicalcompany.WedeliveredourfifthconsecutiveyearofstrongEPSgrowthdespiteachallengingglobalenvironmentandavolatilerawmaterialenvironment.Weareveryproudofthattrackrecordgiventhatonly25%ofthecompaniesintheS&P500haveeveraccomplishedthisperformance.
In2014wealsogeneratedfreecashflowof$810million,consistentwithourexpectations.Thislevelofearningsgrowthandstrongcashflowgenerationreflectshowourworld-classtechnologyplatformshaveenabledustoachievesuccessinexpandingourleadershippositionsindiverseandattractiveendmarketsandgeographies,acceleratingourearningsgrowthwithinnovationdrivenSpecialtyProductsandleveragingouradvantagedcostpositionthroughverticalintegrationandadvantagedrawmaterialpositions.
Wealsocompletedfouracquisitionsduringtheyear.Eachoftheseacquiredbusinessesalignswellwithourstrategyofdeliveringconsistentandsuperiorvalue.InDecemberwecompletedthelargestoftheseacquisitions,Taminco,ahighlysuccessfulglobalspecialtychemicalproducerwithmarket-leadingpositions.AndIwilltalkmoreaboutTamincoonthenextslide.
Duringtheyearwealsoaddedseveralsmallerbolt-onacquisitionstoourportfolio:CommonwealthLaminating&Coating;KnowltonTechnologies;andtheAviationTurbineOilbusinessfromBP.BothCommonwealthandtheAviationTurbineOilbusinessaregreatadditionstoourexistingproductportfolioinPerformanceFilmsandSpecialtyFluidsrespectively.TheKnowltonacquisitionwasveryattractiveasitwillenableustoacceleratetheinnovationcycleforourmicrofibersplatform.
Eachoftheseacquisitionsrepresentsasolidadditiontoourportfolio,reflectingourcommitmenttouseM&Aasameansofcreatingvalueinbothearningsandcashflow.
WealsomadesignificantprogressonourorganicinitiativesacrosstheCompany.Wecontinuetohavedouble-digitgrowthinourTritancopolyesterduetomarketadoption,whichwillbesupportedbyourfourth-quarterexpansionatourKingsportsite.
Inaddition,wehavebegunworkonanadditional60,000metrictonexpansionforTritanwhichwewillexpecttobeoperationalin2017.Weexpectcontinueddouble-digitgrowthinourpremiumacousticandheadsupdisplaysSaflexinterlayerproductsandproudofoursuccessfullaunchofanewopticalfilmproductforthehighgrowthmobiledevicemarketwherewearealreadyrealizingstronggrowth.
OurrubberadditivesteamhasachievedrapidsuccessindevelopingandvalidatingabreakthroughtechnologyforsignificantlyreducingourCrystexmanufacturingcosts.AsaresultwearecurrentlyretrofittingoneofourassetsinEuropewiththistechnologyandweintendtoproceedwithplanstodoubleourCrystexinsolublesulfurcapacityinKuantan,Malaysiawiththistechnologyaswell,whichweexpecttobeoperationalinthefirsthalfof2017.
InAFPwelaunchedOmnia,anewsustainablesolventforHouseholdCleanersandweexpecttoseegreatgrowthfromthatbusinessaswell.Iwasparticularlyimpressedwiththespeedofourteamwhentheywentfromconcepttosuccessfulproductlaunchin18monthswhichisoutstandingforthisindustry.
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Wecontinuetoseestrongmarketsswitchingtonon-phthalateplasticizersandhavecompletedanexpansionofour168capacitytosupportourgrowthinthismarketwhereweareleveragingthistrend.
Finallyduringtheyear,weremaincommittedtoreturningcashtoourstockholdersbyincreasingourdividendforthefifthconsecutiveyearandrepurchasingmorethan$400millionofstock.ThisstrongperformanceonsomanyfrontsisagreattestamenttothestrengthoftheEastmanportfolio.Moreimportantly,Iamveryfortunatetohavesuchagreatmanagementteamandagreatgroupofemployeeswhoconsistentlyovercomechallengesandfindwaystodeliverresultsforourstakeholders.
I' llmovetothenextpage.AsImentioned,wecompletedtheacquisitionofTamincoinDecemberandaverypleasedtowelcomeTamincoemployeestotheEastmanteam.WeareconfidentthatTamincowillbeagreatstrategicfitinthedeploymentofourbalancesheet.
Wehavediversifiedandattractiveendmarketswithsolidmacrotrends.Wewillaccelerategrowthopportunitiesinpersonalcare,coatingsandoilandgasmarketsacrosstheportfolio.Andweseesubstantialopportunitiestoleverageourstrengthincreatingvaluefromtheirsimilarbusinessmodelthatleveragesaworld-classintegratedstream.
AswelookatprojectedearningsfromTaminco'sbusinessfor2015,weexpectthemtocontinuetodeliversolidtop-linegrowthandoperatingearningsbemodestlyhigherthan2014,whichisconsistentwithourpreviousexpectations.Wearealsoontrackwithoursynergytargets.
WiththeintegrationofTaminco'sbusinessesandvariouspurchaseaccountingadjustments,weexpectapproximately75%ofTaminco'stotaloperatingearningswillbeinAdditives&FunctionalProductswherewearelocatingthespecialaminesandcropprotectionbusinessesandapproximately25%willbeanSpecialtyFluids&Intermediateswherethefunctionalaminesbusinesswillbelocated.
WeremainontrackforEPSaccretionfromTamincotobegreaterthan$0.35in2015andgreaterthan$0.60in2016excludingacquisitionintegrationcosts.NowIwillturnitovertoCurttodiscussthecorporateandsegmentresults.
Curt Espeland(EVP,CFO):
Thanks,Mark,andgoodmorning,everyone.Iwillstartwithourfourth-quarterandfull-yearcorporateresultsonslide5.ForthefourthquartersalesrevenueincreasedlargelyduetocontinuedhighsalesvolumeforpremiumproductsintheAdvancedMaterialssegmentandsalesofproductsoftheacquiredTamincobusinesses.
Operatingearningsinthefourthquarteralsoincreaseddrivenbylowerrawmaterialenergycosts,thehigherpremiumproductsalesinAdvancedMaterials,andearningsfromtheacquiredbusinessespartiallyoffsetbyhigherplannedmaintenancecosts.
Forfull-year2014wedeliveredanotherstrongyearof$7.07ofearningspershare,whichisa10%growthover2013and,asMarkmentioned,ourfifthconsecutiveyearofearningsgrowth.
Salesrevenueincreased2%duetogrowthinAdvancedMaterialsandAdhesives&Plasticizerssegmentsandsalesrevenuefromacquiredbusinesses.Operatingearningswereslightlyhigheryearoveryearashighervolumeandimprovedproductmix,particularlyinAdvancedMaterials,andearningsofacquiredbusinessesmorethanoffsethigherrawmaterialandenergycostsandhighercostsrelatedtomanufacturingshutdownsduringtheyear.Ouroperatingmarginremainsstrongat17%,consistentwithfull-year2013.
MovingnexttothesegmentresultsandstartingwithAdditives&FunctionalProductsonslide6.Forfourthquarterbothsalesrevenueandoperatingearningsincreasedduetotheadditionofsalesfromthe
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acquiredTamincospecialtyaminesandcropprotectionbusinesses.
Forthefullyearsalesrevenueincreasedduetobothhighersalesvolumeandprice--pricesforcoatingsproductlinesandsalesoftheacquiredTamincoproductlinespartiallyoffsetbylowerrubberadditivesalesvolumes.
BoththehighersalesvolumeandpricingforcoatingswasattributedtostrongendmarketdemandthroughouttheyearprimarilyintheBuilding&ConstructionandTransportationmarkets.ThelowerrubberadditivessalesvolumewasprimarilyattributedtodecreasedtireproductioninAsia.
Full-yearoperatingearningsdeclinedashigherrawmaterialandenergycosts,primarilypropaneinthefirsthalfoftheyear,morethanoffsethigherpricesandearningsfromacquiredTamincobusinesses.
Aswelookat2015weexpectthatAdditives&FunctionalProductswillbepositivelyimpactedbythefull-yearbenefitofacquiredTamincobusinessesandsolidperformancefromtheheritageEastmanbusinessesduetovolumegrowthincoatingsandtosomeextenttireadditives.
Thesebenefitswillbepartiallyoffsetbythenegativeimpactofadeclineinolefinderivativepricingoutpacingthedeclineinrawmaterialcostsduetotheimpactofpropanehedges,andastrengtheningUSdollar,particularlyagainsttheeuro.Bothofthesechallengeswillimpactalloversegmentstosomedegree,soIwillcovertheminmoredetailinafewminutes.
TakentogetherweexpectstrongearningsgrowthforthissegmentwiththeadditionofTaminco,somewhatoffsetbyamodestdeclineintheheritageEastmanbusinessesasthebenefitofunderlyinggrowthisoffsetbytheoilandcurrencychallenges.
MovingnexttoAdhesives&Plasticizersonslide7.Forthefourthquartersalesrevenuedeclinedprimarilyduetoloweradhesiveresinsalesvolumeresultingfromlimitedrawmaterialavailability.Fourth-quarterearningsincreasedduetohigheradhesiveresinprices,lowerrawmaterialandenergycostsandloweroperatingcostswhichincludedtargetedreductions--costreductions.
TheselowercostswerepartiallyoffsetbycostofaplannedshutdownofanolefinscrackingunitatourLongview,Texassiteandlowerplasticizersellingprices.
Forthefullyearsalesrevenueincreasedduetohigherplasticizerandadhesiveresinsvolume,partiallyoffsetbylowersellingpricesprimarilyforplasticizers.Full-yearoperatingearningsincreasedsignificantlyprimarilyduetohighersalesvolumeandcorrespondinghighercapacityutilizationandloweroperatingcosts,partiallyoffsetbythelowersellingprices.
Lookingforwardto2015weexpectcontinuedgrowthforourEastman168non-phthalateplasticizersbutanotherwisechallengingglobalplasticizersmarketwillcontinuetopressuremarginsprimarilyduetocompetitionfromAsianproducers.Wealsoexpecttheadhesiveresinsmarkettoremaintightduetosoliddemandgrowth,particularlyinthehygieneandpackagingmarketsandlimitedavailabilityfortheindustryofkeyrawmaterials.
Puttingthisalltogether,weexpectadhesivesandplasticizerswilldeliverstrongearningsgrowthbutthisgrowthtobemostlyoffsetbytheimpactofoilandcurrency.
NowtoAdvancedMaterialsonslide8,whichdeliveredanotherexcellentyear.Fourth-quarterandfull-yearsalesrevenueincreasedslightlyasstrongvolumegrowthforpremiumproducts,includingEastmanTritancopolyesters,interlayerswithacousticpropertiesandwindowfilmswasoffsetbylowercopolyesterproduct[selling]pricesprimarilyduetolowerrawmaterialandenergycostsandanunfavorableshiftinforeigncurrencyrates.
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Full-yearsalesrevenuealsoincreasedslightlyashigherpremiumproductsalesvolume,includingTritanandtheinterlayerswithacousticproperties,waslargelyoffsetbycorecopolyestersellingprices.
Earningsincreasedbothinthefourthquarterandforthefullyearduetohighersalesvolumeandimprovedproductmixaswecontinuetohavegrowthinourmorepremiumproducts,includingTritancopolyesterandacousticinterlayers.Thefull-year2014operatingmarginimprovednicelytoover12%movingthissegmentintotherangeweexpectforthisbusinessof12%to15%.
Lookingto2015,wecontinuetomakeprogressonourstrategyforthisbusiness,volumegrowth,mixedimprovementandfixedcostleverage.AdvancedMaterialswillalsobenefitfromlowerrawmaterialsandtheCommonwealthacquisition,whichweexpecttobeastrongcontributortoearningsgrowthin2015.Asaresultweexpectcontinuedstrongearningsgrowthinthesegmentsomewhatoffsetbycurrencyheadwinds.
Movingtofibersonslide9.Fourth-quartersalesrevenuewasrelativelyunchangedashighersellingpricesforacetatetowandincreasedflakesalestoaChinajointventurewerelargelyoffsetbylowersalesvolumeforacetylchemicals.Fourthquarteroperatingearningsroseslightlywithhighertowsellingprices,morethanoffsettinglowersalesvolumeandhigherunitcostsduetoloweracetatetowcapacityutilization.
ForthefullyearsalesrevenuewasslightlyhigherdrivenbyhigheracetatetowsellingpricesandhigheracetateflakesalesvolumetoourChinatowjointventure,morethanoffsettingloweracetatetowsalesvolume.Theloweracetatetowsalesvolumewasattributedtoadditionalindustrycapacityincludingourjointventure.
Full-yearearningsincreasedduetohighersellingpricesandlowerrawmaterialandenergycosts,partiallyoffsetbylowertowsalesvolumeandlowercapacityutilization.
Lookingforwardto2015,weexpectcontinuedacetatetowinventorydestocking,whichislargerandbroadertomorecustomersthanweoriginallyanticipated.Weexpectthiswillbemostpronouncedinthefirsthalfof2015.Wealsoexpectlowerrawmaterialandenergycostsparticularlyforwoodpulpandweareactivelyreviewingoptionstoreducecostsforthissegmenttohelpimproveoverallresults.
Takingthistogetherweexpectfull-year2015earningstobedownbetween$40millionand$60millioncomparedto2014.Withthatsaid,weexpectglobalacetatetowdemandtostabilizeoncetheinventorydestockingisbehindusandwecontinuetopursueactionstoimprovetheoverallcostpositionofthisbusiness.Asaresultlonger-termweareoptimisticthisbusinesswillrecovertoanearningsprofileconsistentwithourInvestorDayexpectation.
IwillfinishthesegmentreviewwithSpecialtyFluids&Intermediatesonslide10.Fourth-quartersalesrevenueincreasedduetothesaleofproductsofacquiredbusinesses,morethanoffsettinglowerpricesforolefin-basedintermediateandheattransferfluids.
Fourth-quarteroperatingearningsdeclinedprimarilyduetotheimpactoftheplannedshutdownsofanolefinscrackingunitandthelowersellingprices,partiallyoffsetbylowerrawmaterialandenergycostsandearningsofacquiredAviationTurbineOilbusinesses.
Forthefullyearsalesrevenuewasflatassalesofproductsofacquiredbusinessesandhighersellingpriceswereoffsetbylowersalesvolume.Thelowersalesvolumewasduetomanufacturingcapacityshutdowns,theincreaseduse--downstreamuseofintermediatesinotherpartsoftheCompanyandweaknessintheheattransferfluidsmarket.
Full-yearoperatingearningswerelowerprimarilyduetothehigherrawmaterialandenergycosts,primarilypropaneinthefirsthalfoftheyear.Andcostsofmanufacturingcapacityshutdownspartiallyoffsetbyhigherintermediatesellingpricesandearningsfromacquiredbusinesses.
Lookingforwardto2015,SpecialtyFluids&Intermediateswillbepositivelyimpactedbytheadditionof
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theTamincofunctionalaminesbusiness,theywillalsobenefitfromthefull-yearimpactoftheAviationTurbineOilbusiness.
Challengesincludethenegativeimpactofoil,lowerexpecteddemandinheattransferfluidsandexpectedlowervolumeinintermediatesinpartduetocontinueddownstreamuseofintermediatesinotherpartsoftheCompany.Asaresultweexpect2015earningstobesomewhatlowerthan2014.
Onslide11Iwilltransitiontoanoverviewofourcashandotherfinancialhighlightsfor2014.Wedidanexcellentjobofgeneratingcashin2014withoperatingcashflowof$1.4billion.Thisisarecordforcashfromoperations.
Ourfreecashflowwas$810millionfortheyear,consistentwithourexpectations.Capitalexpenditurestotaled$593millionincludingtheimpactofacquiredbusinesseswhichwasalsoconsistentwiththeguidanceweprovided.
Lookingatthebalancesheet,netdebtstandsatapproximately$7billionattheendoftheyearreflectingtheadditionoftheTamincofinancing.
Duringfourthquarterwesuccessfullyissued$2billionofbondswithmaturitiesof5,10,and30years.Thiswasaverysuccessfulissuereflectingourstrongbalancesheetandcashflowprofile.Thesenewbondsfitnicelyintoourmaturityprofile,actuallyincreasingtheaveragedurationofourbondportfoliowhileloweringtheaverageinterestrates.
OuroverallcostoffinancingforTamincoacquisitionswasapproximately2.8%includingthepreviouslydisclosed$1billiontermloan.Overthenexttwoyearswe'llfocusonpayingdowndebtaspartofourcommitmenttoreturnourcreditmetricsconsistentwithourinvestmentgradecreditrating.
ThisisalsoagoodopportunitytoremindeveryonethatEastmanhasaccesstosufficientliquidityinadditiontoourstrongcashflowinaformofa$1.25billionrevolveranda$250millionaccountsreceivablesecuritizationprogram.Thecombinationofcashflow,astrongbalancesheetandliquiditycontinuestoprovideflexibilitytopursuegrowtheveninanuncertaineconomy.
Movingbacktofourthquarterresults,afewitemstohighlight.Oureffectivetaxrateforthefourthquarterproformaearningswas22%reflectingtheone-yearextensionoffavorableUSfederaltaxprovisions,whichresultedinanetbenefitof$15million.ThisbenefitwasprimarilyrelatedtoresearchanddevelopmentcreditsanddeferralofcertainearningsofforeignsubsidiariesfromUSincometaxes.
Thefull-year2014effectivetaxrateonproformaearningswas26%comparedto28%forfullyear2013.ThislowerratereflectsthecontinuedbenefitsoftheintegrationofEastmanandSolutiabusinessoperationsandlegalentitystructures.
Inaddition,GAAPearningswereimpactedbyamark-to-marketlossof$304millionrelatedtoourpensionandotherpost-retirementbenefitplans.Thislosswasprimarilydrivenbythechangeindiscountrates,increasingourestimatedpensionliabilities.Wealsohadacquisition-relatedcostsof$31millionrelatedprimarilytoTamincoandCommonwealth.
Onslide12Iwilldiscusssomekeyassumptionsforourprojectionsin2015--inretrospectascomparedtothosewesharedbackatNovemberatourInvestorDay.
Ourprojectionforglobalgrowthremainsatapproximately3%.Ofcoursethereisuncertaintyinthisprojectionbutwe'recurrentlyseeingsoliddemandinourorderbooks.
Movingnexttorawmaterials,weareexpectingourkeyrawmaterials,propane,ethane,propylene,etcetera,tobeconsistentwiththerecentforwardcurvesthroughtheendoftheyear--throughouttheendofthisyear.
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Andasyou'veseen,mostoftheseforwardcurvesdonotanticipateanydramaticchangeduringthecourseoftheyear.Sowewillseehowthatplaysout.
Butregardless,thisisobviouslyabigchangecomparedwithourInvestorDayprojectionswhenBrentcrudewasprojectedtobe$100perbarrel.Weexpectthedollartoeuroexchangeratetoremainnearcurrentlevelsatapproximately$1.15pereuro.
AndthisisanotherbigchangefromourInvestorDaywherewehadprojectedbetween$1.25and$1.30pereuroandisactuallyhigherthanthe2014averageofjustover$1.13pereuro.Thisresultsandayear-over-yearearningspershareheadwindof$0.25to$0.30pershareincludingmitigationfromourcurrencyhedgingprogram.
Ourtaxrateisexpectedtobebetween26%and27%,reflectingthecontinuedbenefitsofourimprovementinbusinessoperationsandlegalentitystructuresresultingfromacquisitions.TherangeoftheeffectivetaxratereflectsuncertaintyastowhethertherewillbefurtherextensionoftheR&Dtaxcreditsandpotentiallychangestoourgeographicearningsmix.
Finally,wecontinuetoexpecttooffsetdilutionwithsharerepurchases.
Lastly,Ithoughtitwouldbehelpfultoprovidesomecoloronhowweprojectthelowerimpactofcrudeoilonourolefins-relatedbusinesseshereshownonslide13.UnlikeInvestorDaymycommentswillfocusonlyonolefinsandnotincludeactionswearetakingacrosstheCompanyportfolio.
First,propyleneandethylenepricesareexpectedtodeclinetosomeextentwithoil.Second,onanunhedgedbasisweexpectcrackingspreadstoexpandasethaneandpropanecostshavedropped.InparticularEastman'scrackingconfigurationtowardsaheavy--heavierpropanemixisadvantagedatthistime.
However,ourhedgingstrategythatwehadtakentoreducevolatilityinourpropaneandotherinputcostshavebecomeasignificantheadwindgiventheunprecedentedrecentdropinthepriceofpropane.Obviously,weandtherestoftheworlddidnotforeseethisdramaticdropinoilorpropanepricesandIalsodon'tthinkanyonereallyknowsexactlywherethesepricesaregoingtosettleoutfromhere.
Asaresult,althoughpropanedroppingmorethanethaneisgenerallypositiveforus,thisbenefitwillbemorethanoffsetbytheimpactofourpropanehedgesresultinginanexpectedearningsheadwindof$0.40to$0.60persharefor2015.
Havingsaidthat,Iwanttobeclearthatthisanalysisisbroad,adirectionalexerciseasthevastmajorityofourolefin-relatedearningscomefromderivativeswiththeexceptionofbulkolefinsales.Ourolefinderivativepricingdoesnotdirectlytrackolefinpricesacrosstheportfolioonamonthlybasis.
WhiletheCommoditieswilltrackfairlytightly,themajorityofourderivativesarespecialtiesorspecialpositionproductlineswherewehaveadditionaldynamicsthatimpactvaluecapturerelativetoolefins.Ourestimateof$0.40to$0.60persharedoesnotincludeoureffortstomitigatethisheadwindbyholdingontovalueinourspecialtyandspecialpositionproductlinesasolefinpricesdecline.
Mylastpointontheside,youcanseethatthebenefitofproducingolefinsremainsasmallpartofouroverallearningsprofileinpartreflectingactionswe'vetakentostrengthenourportfolioincludingtheadditionsofSolutiaandTamincowhicharenotmeaningfullyexposedtothesespreads.
SowiththatIthankyouforyourtimeandyourinterestinEastmanChemicalandIwillturnitbackovertoMark.
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
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Thanks,Curt.Aswelookatourearningsgrowthpotentialfor2015andbeyondwefeelgreataboutourstrategywhichwediscussedindetailatInvestorDay.WehavestronggrowthdriversinplaceacrosstheCompany.
Wehaveasolidportfolioofspecialtybusinessesthatarewell-positionedtogrow,solidendmarketgrowthespeciallyintransportationandB&Cendmarkets.StrongpremiumproductsthatweexpectwillaccelerateearningsgrowthespeciallyinAdvancedMaterials.
WeareworkinghardtoholdontotherawmaterialtailwindsinourSpecialtyProducts.Wealsoexpecttobenefitin2015fromsignificantaccretionfromtheattractiveacquisitionswecompletedin2014.Iwouldalsonotethatouracquisitionsaremostlyneutraltovolatileoilandmanufactureintheregionswheretheysell.Theseadditionsaregreatimprovementstotherobustnessofourportfolio.
Obviouslywefacesomeshort-termheadwindslikemanyUScompanies,butwedon'tseeanyofthemunderminingourlong-termstrategy.Theunprecedentedchangeinoilpriceshascreatedachallengewithourcurrentpropanehedgeandsomeuncertaintyabouthowcompetitivetradeflowsmightchange.
Thedollarhasstrengthenedconsiderablyagainstabasketofcurrencies,mostnotablyforusagainsttheeuro.Andwhileweanticipatedthatariskofinventoryrestockingexistedinfibers,wenowhaveabetterunderstandingthatthelevelofdestockingislargerandmore--broaderthanweexpectedacrossthecustomerbase.
Givenallthat,weexpectourfull-year2015EPStobesimilarto2014EPSwiththesplitbetweenthefirsthalfandthesecondhalfoftheyearbeingconsistentwithourhistory.
Asweconsiderthesensitivitiesofthisoutlookwecanseeapathwaytoearningsgrowth.Ifthedropinoilpricesarepredominantlydrivenbysupply,thenitshouldbeastimulustoeconomicdemand.Andthisbenefitcanshowupinseveraldifferentways.
First,manyofourcustomersaremaintainingverylowinventorylevelsandifoilpricesstabilizeandgoupwecouldseesomerestocking.
Second,webelievethatoilpriceswillultimatelybealong-termstimulustoglobalGDPandgreatforEastman'sSpecialtystrategywherewearesellinghighvaluedifferentiatedproductsthatareleveragedtoaneconomicrecovery.
Third,improvingdemandwilltightensupplytodemandbalancesinsomeoftheindustriesaswell.Ofcourse,ifwewereheadedintoaglobaleconomicslowdownwithdecliningdemandandfurtherreductionofoilprices,wewillfaceachallenge.
AsIthinkaboutourcashflowonthenextpage,IbelieveourcashflowisoneofEastman'sgreateststrengthsandwecontinuetogenerateverystrongfreecashflowin2014andweexpecttodoitagainin2015.Withourcurrentoutlookweexpectapproximately$1.6billionofoperatingcashflow.Thisoutlookreflectscurrentearningsexpectationsaswellassomeimprovementinworkingcapitalresultingfromlowercommoditycosts.
Capitalexpendituresareexpectedtobeapproximately$700millionto$725million.Thisreflectsnormalmaintenancecapitalaswellassomeadditionalinfrastructurespending.ThisalsoreflectsgrowthcapitalthisyearfortheexpansionofourTritancopolyestercapacityandournewCrystexcapacityinMalaysia.
Freecashflowisexpectedtobeapproximately$850millionto$900millionandthisisaniceimprovementover2014.Asareminder,ourpriorityforfreecashflowoverthenext24monthsisdeleveragingourdebt.Whiledoingsoitisreasonableforinvestorstoexpectthatwewillcontinuetoincreaseourdividendandweexpecttooffsetdilutionwithstockrepurchases.
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Andaswecontinuetogenerateverystrongfreecashflowoverthecomingyearswewillcontinuetodeploycapitalinabalancedanddisciplinedway.
WhenwereflectonwhatwesaidatInvestorDay,Ifirmlybelievethatourstrategyisintactandwewilldeliverstrong,consistentearningsgrowthandcompellingfreecashflowovertime.Wehaveobviouslyhitsomeshort-termheadwindsthatweandmostoftheworlddidnotexpect,butourportfolioofbusinessesarerobustandcapableofoffsettingthesechallengesandfindingpathwaystogrow.
Thesechallengesareaheadwindasweheadinto2015butarenotlikelytobeanadditionalheadwindin2016.Thegrowthdriversofourportfolioarestrongovertimeandwillcontinuetodeliverstrongearningsgrowthandcompellingfreecashflow.Iremainconfidentthatwewillcontinuetocreatevalueforourstockholdersandallofourstakeholders.WiththatIwillturnitbackovertoGreg.
GregRiddle (VP-IR):
Thanks,Mark.We'vegotalotofpeopleonthelinethismorningandwe'dliketogettoasmanyquestionsaspossible.Sopleaselimityourselftoonequestionandonefollow-up.Withthat,Jake,wearereadyforquestions.
QUESTIONS&ANSWERS
Operator:
(OperatorInstructions).
KevinMcCarthy,BankofAmerica-MerrillLynch.
KevinMcCarthy(Analyst-BofAMerrillLynch):
Mark,withregardtothefibersbusiness,ifwethinkbacktoyourInvestorDay,itsoundedlikeyouwerecontemplatingsomeoptionalitytotakerestructuringactioninthatbusiness.InlisteningtothelanguageonthecalltodayIheardalotaboutdestockingthere.SoIguessatwo-partquestion.
First,whatisyourdegreeofconfidencethattheweaknessyouareseeingisinfactdestockingversusperhapsamorestructuralordurableweaknessinthebusiness?Andthensecondly,howareyouthinkingaboutpotentialtoreducecostsinthatcontextandwhatmightbethetimelineforyourdecisionthere.
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
Goodmorning,Kevin,thankyouforthequestion.SoIwillstartwiththedemandsideofthatquestionandIwanttostartfirstwithourviewaboutprimarydemandasyou'regettingatandthentowdemand.
Soifyouthinkaboutprimaryconsumerdemand,wedon'thaveanychangeinourviewabouttheoutlookofdemandinthemedium-term.Wecontinuetoexpectthedevelopedworldtoslowlydecline,thedevelopingworldincludingChinatoshowsomegrowth.AndthentherealquestionthensettlesonwhatishappeninginChina.
Aswelookbackat2014,demandwasrelativelyflatattheconsumptionlevelinChina.Andeverythingwearebeingtoldaboutthatcontinuestosuggestthattheprimarydriverforthatflatnesswasausteritymeasureschangingtheuseenvironmentofcigarettes.
Andifwebelievethattobetrue,andwearenothearinganythingotherwise,thatislikeadestockingeventwhereyoutakeachunkofdemandout,butwhenyoulookatpopulationmodelingandgrowthyouwouldthenexpectdemandgrowthtoreturnatamodestlevelinChina.Sothatisholdingtogetherandwearenotseeingchangeinthatfromallofoursources,whichisprimarilytalkingtoourcustomers.
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Whenyougettotowdemand,aswediscussedlastyear,therearetwodifferentdynamicsgoingonwhenyougofromdemandin2014to2015.ThefirstisCNTCinChinahasaddedadditionalcapacity,liketheyaddedcapacitywithusin2014,theyhaveaddedsomeadditionalcapacitytoDaicel.
Andso,ofcoursetheyaregoingtorunthoseassetsfullastheyownthemandthattakesacertainchunkofdemandoutofimportswhichwasfactoredintoourguidancebackatInvestorDay--thatisnotreallyasurpriseforus.
Thesecondpartisweexpectedsomemodestdestocking,butallthecustomerswhohavecometoushavebeenveryclearthattheyaregoingtodosomeamountofdestockinginparticularinChina.Andwhatisbehindthatandwhereitmakessensetous,Kevin,isfrom2011to2013yousawtremendoustightnessincapacityutilizationinthisindustry,closeto100%.
Soalotofcustomerswerecarryingsafetystocktomakesurethattheydidn'trunoutanditmakesalotofsensewhenyoulookathowsmallofapercenttowisofthefinalpriceofacigarette;itisnotaplacewhereyouwanttorunoutandshortyourproductionsales.
AndthenwiththeslowdownindemandandthiscapacityaddinChina,obviouslythecapacityutilizationloosenedupalittlebitandcustomershavefeltthatitismoreappropriatetodestocksomeofthatsafetystockandre-adjusttheirinventory.
Soeverythingweknowsuggeststhatitisdestocking.Ifwebelievethattobetruethenthereisreasontobelievethatdemandin2016couldactuallybehigherthan2015.Andthatisthebestthatweknowwiththatpart.
Sowhenwegettosortofwhatdowedoaboutthat,well,wewantedtomakesureweunderstoodexactlyhowdemandwasgoingtoplayoutacrossallofourcustomersandfinishthecontractingwhichhappenedthisweek.Sowefeelprettygoodaboutknowingwherewestand.
AndnowofcourseyoutakeanassessmentofallofwhatI'vejustsaidanddecidewhatistheappropriateactionstotakeonthecoststructureside.We'reactivelyinthemiddleofmakingthosedecisionsanditisinappropriateforustodiscussthemfurtheruntilwefinalizedthosedecisions.
KevinMcCarthy(Analyst-BofAMerrillLynch):
Fairenough.Iappreciatethecolor.Asafollow-upperhapsforCurt.Dohaveanypropanehedgesthatextendinto2016?AndifsowouldyoucommentonthelevelandratioIsuppose?
Curt Espeland(EVP,CFO):
Kevin,whenweimplementedourpropanechangelastyearwedidtalkaboutamulti-yearprogram,soitdoesextendbeyondacoupleyears.Butthefocusofthattypicallyisthefirstcoupleyearsandthatiswherewearetakingmostofthefocus.Butwewillhavesometailgoingbeyondthat.Butitisnotassignificantaswhatwetalkedaboutthenexttwoyears.
KevinMcCarthy(Analyst-BofAMerrillLynch):
Okay,thankyou.
Operator:
DavidBegleiter,DeutscheBank.
DavidBegleiter(Analyst-DeutscheBank):
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Thankyou.Mark,justagainonpropane,arethereanyotheractionsyouarelookingatorcouldtakein2015tocomeinatthelowerendorbelowthe$0.40to$0.60propanehit?
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
So,David,onthehedge,itiswhatitis.Whatwearedoingmostimportantlyonthepricesideiswearefightinghardtoholdontovaluethatwecreateforourcustomerswithourproductsandholdontosomeofthatrawmaterialtailwindsinalltheplacesthatwecan.Andthatwillhavevaryingdegreesofsuccesstooffsetsomeofthatheadwind.Sothatisgoingonrightnow.
Inaddition,weexpecttoandplantorunourcrackerswell.Wedidabigturnaroundlastfallandthebigcrackerthathascomeupisrunningincrediblywell.Asthatcrackerandothereffortstoleveragetowardspropanemix,asmuchaswecan,willadvantageusbecausethatwillbeallspotpropanepurchasesatveryadvantagedprices.
Sotherearethingsthatwearedoingbothonthevolumesideandthepricingsidetogetthemaximumvalueoutofthatadvantagedpositionwehavewithourpropanecrackers.
DavidBegleiter(Analyst-DeutscheBank):
And,Curt,justagainonthe2016impactversus2015.Woulditbefairtosaythatthebenefitin2016versus2015fromthelackofpropanehedgescouldbe$0.20to$0.30ashare?
Curt Espeland(EVP,CFO):
Iwouldsay,Kevin,asImentionedatourInvestorDay,theprogramthatweputinplace[hedged]substantiallyamountofourpurchasesofpropanein2015and2016andIwouldnotexpectamaterialchangebetweenthosetwo.Soitwillbeatailwind,butI'mnotgoingtotrytoquantifythatatthispoint.
DavidBegleiter(Analyst-DeutscheBank):
Thankyou.
Operator:
FrankMitsch,WellsFargoSecurities.
FrankMitsch(Analyst-WellsFargoSecurities):
Iwaslookingatslide13andIseethattheoperatingearningsareindicatedupfor2015.NowIknowyourinterestcostsaregoingup,butasIdothemathonsomeoftheputsandtakesintermsofnegatives,obviouslyyouhavegotthehedge$0.50,foreign-exchange$0.25,fibersdestockanother$0.20orso.
Soyou'reabout$0.95,$1.00negative.OffsettingthatTamincopositive$0.35;theturnaround,assumingyoudon'thaveitin2015versus2014,isanothertime.Sothatisapositive$0.45.Soyou'vegotabout$0.50,$0.55ofawhole.
Sotokeepitflatyouwouldneedtogrowearningsabout7%to8%.ObviouslyEastman'stargetedgoalistododouble-digits.CouldthereberoomofacoupleofpercentorsointermsofearningsgrowthifEastmanhitskindofitsdouble-digitEPSgrowthgoals?
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
Frank,thanksforthequestionIknewIcouldcountonyouforthegrowthmathquestion.Yourmateisdirectionallycorrect.You'reactuallymissingoutonsomeadditionalaccretion.SoTamincowasn'ttheonlyacquisitionwedid;we'vegotsomeniceaccretioncominginfromBPTurbineOil,Commonwealth,alittlebit
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moresharecountadvantagerollingintotheyear.
SoIthinkofacquisitionsbeing50--oralittlebitabove$0.50ofaccretion.SothenyouaretalkingabouthowdoIholdontovalue.Well,wecertainlyintendtorunourplantsbetter,asyoumentioned.Westillhavesomedecentamountofshutdownscominginthisyear,sothereisnotahugeplantshutdowndifferentialfromyear-to-year,butwecertainlyplantorunbetter.
Sowe'retalkingaboutcanwedobetterthan$0.50to$0.40ashareorganicinourportfolio;thatcertainlyisourgoal.Andwearedrivingreallyhardonallfrontstodothat.Ithinkweseeverysoliddemandtrends,especiallyinB&Candtransportation,durables,especiallyintheUS.Anditisniceactuallyhaving50%of--alittlebitlessthan50%ofourrevenueintheUSthesedays.
AndweareprettyhappythatourexposuretoEuropeisoneoftheloweronesrelativetoourpeers,frombothacurrencyandaweakdemandpointofview.SoIthinkourportfolioisverywellpositionedforprimarydemand.
Moreimportantly,wegetalotofacceleratedearningsgrowthoutofourearningsinourpremierproducts,especiallyinAdvancedMaterials,wherewearesellingdouble-digitgrowthratesinthingslikeTritan,acoustics,heads-updisplays,windowfilms,resinsandtiresandAFP,allofwhichareacceleratingearningsgrowthwithinthattop-linegrowth,asthosemarginsarequiteattractive.
Soitalladdsupwherewefeelverygoodaboutthat,drivingtothat$.50.Togetbeyond$0.50,youneedtobelievethatdemandisgoingtobealittlebitbetterthisyearthantheoveralldemandgrowthratewesawlastyear.AndIthinkthereiseveryreasontobelievethatthatispossible.
Iaminthecampthatoilissupplydrivenprimarily.Therefore,itisaglobalstimulustodemand.Andthereispotentiallysomerestockingthatwecouldgetifoilpricesstabilize.Andallofthatcanshowupassomestrongerdemandthanwhatwehaveinourcurrentoutlookandputusonapath.
Butitisthebeginningofayearandaveryvolatileyearrightnow,Frank.Nooneknowswhereoilpricesaregoingortradeflowsaregoingtochange.SoIthinkitisprudenceatthispointtojustseehowitplaysout.Wewillgetalotmoreinsightoverthefirstquarterandbeinamuchbetterpositiontodiscussthiswhenwegetthroughthefirstquarter.
FrankMitsch(Analyst-WellsFargoSecurities):
Thatisveryhelpful,muchappreciated.Andmaybeifyoucouldprovideanupdate.IknowthatinpreviousdiscussionsofEastmanactions,technologylicensingwassomethingthatperhapswouldshowupinlate2015orearly2016.Canyoutalkaboutwhatyourexpectationsarethere?
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
Sure.Wehavesomesmallamountoflicensingthatwedoexpecttogetin2015andthatisincludedinourcommentsaroundSFI,whichiswherethatlicensingvalueshowsup.Therearesomebiggerlicensesthatwehavebeenworkingon,butgiventheuncertaintyofthemwearenotincludingthatintheforecast.Andthatwouldbeupsideiftheyhappeneitherthisyearornextyear.
FrankMitsch(Analyst-WellsFargoSecurities):
Thankssomuch.
Operator:
JohnRoberts,UBS.
JohnRoberts (Analyst-UBS):
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Backonslide13,isthereahittoyourcoal-basedoperationsaswellfromloweroil?Thatis,dothingslikeaceticanhydride,acidaldehydecomedownwithoilpricesand,again,yourcoalcostsarerelativelyfixed?
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
Notsomuch.ThevastmajorityofourcoalderivedproductsarecelluloseesterswhetheritisgoingintofibersorgreatSpecialtyProductsthatgointoourDisplaysbusinessandSpecialtyPlasticsorveryhighvalueadditivesthatgointoautomotivecoatingsandotherapplicationsinAFP.
Andallofthoseareverywellpositioned.Andtherealcomparatorisnaturalgasactually,notoil,fromthecompetitivecostbasethatweareupagainst.Andwearenotseeinganysignificantchangesinnaturalgasandrawmaterialsarearelativelysmallpartofthosecoststructures.Soitisnotamainfactorlikeitisintheolefinsdiscussion.
JohnRoberts (Analyst-UBS):
Thenasafollow-up,Ithinkyousaidthe$0.25to$0.30currencyhitwasafterhedging.Couldyoucommentonyourforeign-exchangehedgingpractices?
Curt Espeland(EVP,CFO):
Sure.SimilartowhatItalkedaboutolefins,wedohaveamulti-yearhedgingprogramoncurrenciestoremovevolatilitythatcouldresultfromthat.Youhaveseenthatbenefitoverthelastcoupleofyearswhereyouhaven'treallyseencurrencyhasbeenafactor.BecauseofthedramaticdeclineyouseetheimpactwequantifiedandI'dsayroughlyourhedgepositionin2015isabout50%hedged.
JohnRoberts (Analyst-UBS):
Great,thankyou.
Operator:
VincentAndrews,MorganStanley.
Vincent Andrews (Analyst-MorganStanley):
Arethereanypartsofyourportfoliowheregiventhemoveinoilandeverythingelsewhereyouthinksomeofyourcompetitorsmightnowhaveabettercostpositionandmaybemorelikelytoeitherincreaseproductionorbeabletoexporttoothermarketsorhowareyouthinkingaboutthat?
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
So,certainlyaswedothesortofolefinanalysisandinparticularwhereyouareseeingthebiggestimpactfromanoilpointofview,thatisallfactoredintoourthinkingwhenyousaythat$0.40to$0.60headwind.BecausethatisachangeintheirnaphthaoilderivedcoststructuresacrosstheglobeandhowthatimpactsourUScostposition.Sothat'sIthinkincludedinthatdiscussion.
Ithinkthattheotherplaceswearegettingnicetailwinds,likeallofourcompetitorsonanequalbasis.Soinparaxyleneandbenzenederivedproductsweareallinthesameboattogether.AndI'mnotseeinganysignificantsortofchangesinarelativecostpositioninthoseplaces.
IhavenodoubtthatasEuropeansandAsiansgetanimprovementinthecoststructuretheyaregoingtobemoreaggressiveandwefactorthatintoourthinking.Butwestillthinkthatwecreatealotmorevaluethanjustpriceinourrelationshipswithourcustomers.WehavealotofgreatSpecialtyProductsanddifferentiatedpositionsandthosewillenduresomeofthosethreats.
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Vincent Andrews (Analyst-MorganStanley):
Okay.AndifIcouldjustaskonyouraminesbusinessnow,anumberofthelargeherbicidemanufacturershavespokenaboutsortofsomeexcessinventoryinthechainandthattheirvolumesaregoingtobedown.HowdoesthatworkwithTaminco?
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
SoTaminco--firstofall,Tamincoisagreatportfolioofbusinessesinaverydiversesetofendmarketsandnicheapplications.AndyouhavetokeepthatinmindwhereAg,specificallyrowcropswherethecurrentconcernseemstositspecificallyevenmoresooncorn,thatisaprettysmallpercentageofTaminco'soverallrevenue.Soonlyabout10%ofTaminco'stotalrevenueisassociatedwithrowcrops.
Allofcropprotection,whichisthehigh-valuehigh-marginspecialties,gointoperishablevegetables,fruits,flourtypemarketsthatareexpectedtohaveveryconsistentdemandyearoveryear.
Butwithinthatareaalotofourproductsgointobothsoybean/corn.Soasthemixisshiftingfromcorntosoybeanthatdoesn'tactuallyaffectus.Andofcoursewedoexpectsomemodestamountofheadwindonthecornside,butnetitwillstillbegrowthin--forusbecausetherewasalotofdestockingandthebigwinterhitlastyear.
Soevenintheherbicideareaforus,givenwherewesitinthesupplychain,westillforeseesomegrowthinthat10%yearoveryearbasedonwhatourcustomersaretellingus.
Vincent Andrews (Analyst-MorganStanley):
Okay,thanksverymuch.
Operator:
JamesSheehan,SunTrust.
JamesSheehan(Analyst-SunTrustRobinsonHumphrey):
CouldyoucommentonthetireadditivesandCrystexoutlookfor2015?
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
Sure.Greatbusiness.Reallyexcitedaboutourtechnologybreakthroughandtheinvestmentswearemakingtogrowthisbusinesstoimproveourcostposition.Inadditiontomypreparedremarks,thegreatthingaboutthistechnologyisit'salsogoingtoallowustohavedifferentiatedproducts,notjustcheaperones,fromacostpointofviewandthereforealotofopportunitiestogrow.
Fromaprimarymarketdemandpointofviewweexpecttiredemandgrowthin2015versus2014.Thisindustryhashadatoughcoupleyears.2014wasatoughyearespeciallyforCrystexwhichishighlyleveredtocommercialtiresinconstructionandminingtires.Soobviously2014wasn'tagoodyearespeciallyinAsia-Pacific.
Buteverythingwecanseerightnowfromourcustomerssuggeststhatwearegoingtohavesolidgrowththisyearonthedemandside.Weareverycommittedtomaintainingourmarketsharewithournewtechnologyandproductadvantagesandgrowingwiththatmarketaswegoforward.Andsowefeelgoodaboutit.
JamesSheehan(Analyst-SunTrustRobinsonHumphrey):
Thankyou.Andwhatisthelateststatusofthepipelinedispute?
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Curt Espeland(EVP,CFO):
ThisisCurt.Asitrelatestothepipeline,asyouhaveseenthevariousrulingsthathavecomeoutfromtheTexasRailroadCommissioncontinuetobealwaysinourfavor,includingtheunlawfuldiscriminatoryactionbyWestlaketoremovethebidirectionalflowaswellasthepipelineforexchanges.
Itisunfortunatethesedisputeshavekindofdelayedourabilitytogetsomethingdoneandpursueactionswithourexcessethyleneinthelastyearandahalf.Soyoutakethatnowcombinedwiththecurrentoilenvironment,itmakesakindofunlikelywewillgetanythingdonesoonwiththatexcessethyleneposition.Sowewillstilllookatoptions,butrightnowitisnotlikelytohappenanytimesoon.
JamesSheehan(Analyst-SunTrustRobinsonHumphrey):
Thankyou.
Operator:
JeffZekauskas,JPMorgan.
Jef f Zekauskas (Analyst-JPMorgan):
YourvolumegrowthandadditivesIthinkwas14%inthequarterandfluidsIthinkwasplus4%.Ifyoutakeouttheacquisitionbenefitswhatwouldthosenumbershavebeen?
Curt Espeland(EVP,CFO):
Youwouldhavesawsomeslightgrowthinthosesegments.WithinAdditives&FunctionalProductsIthinkwetalkedabouttherewasbenefitofimprovementinvolumeinour[nice]coatingandproductlinesoffsetbysomemaybelowertireadditivesproductlines.
Jef f Zekauskas (Analyst-JPMorgan):
Okay.Andnormallyinthefourthquarteryouroperatingcashflowrisesversusthirdquarter.Andthisyearthesequentialcomparisonwasweaker.AndIthinkyouhadausethisyearofworkingcapitalofaround$250million.Canyouspeaktowhathappenedtothefourth-quartercashflowsorwhythisyearwasdifferentthanyourhistoricalpattern?
Curt Espeland(EVP,CFO):
Sure.Soifyoulookatjustthetrendsofcashflowsin2014versus2013,firstofallourcashconversioncyclemetricshaveactuallyimprovedyearoveryear.Andsowearestillseeinggoodworkingcapitalmanagement.Themaindriverstothirdandfourthquarter,Jeff,quitehonestlyjustatimingdifferenceofwhenwemadeourpensioncontributionaswelljusthowtaxpaymentsflowed.Soitisreallythosetwoitemsonaquarterlybasis.Butthenwerenotthatdramaticallyyearoveryear.
Jef f Zekauskas (Analyst-JPMorgan):
Okay,great.Thankyousomuch.
Operator:
P.J.Juvekar,Citi.
P.J.Juvekar(Analyst-Citigroup):
Mark,regardingthepropanehedge,IrememberEastmanalwaysusedtohedgeagainstpropaneduring
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winters,butnowyouareputtingonhedgesforgoingoutacoupleofyearsforpropane,alsoforFX.Whatisbehindthechangeinstrategy?
Curt Espeland(EVP,CFO):
So,asyouknow,Eastmanhashadanactivehedgingprogramforanumberofyears,P.J.,consistentwithsomeofthechangesindiscussionsyouhad,whetheritiscommodities,currencies,interestrates,etceteraWetalkedlastyear,andwewereprettytransparentonthischange,thatconsistentwithourstrategytodeliverconsistentyear-over-yearearningsgrowth,werevisedourpropanehedgingprogramfromthatwinterspikeprotectionyoumentionedtoamulti-yearprogramin2014.
Suchchangeintheprogramwasnottakenlightly,itwasdiscussedbroadlyamongstourexecutiveteam.Itwasbasedongoodfundamentalanalysisandinputsfromindustryexperts,whichwereallindicatingpropanewasgoingtoremainvolatile,muchlikeitdidthelastfewyears,andthat'swhereyousawpropanevaryfrom$0.80agallonto$1.50agallon.
Further,allthoseindicationsatthetimepointedtohigherpropanecostsastheimpactofPDHunitsandexpertterminalsweresupposedtoresultinUSpropanepricesincreasingtobemoreinlinewithglobalprices.
Sowhenweassessedthatcaseandweassessedwhatotherdifferentscenarioscouldplayout,welookedatthelikelihoodthatpropanewoulddropbelow$0.80agallonandthatwouldevenmeanitwouldhavetohavebeenmorethanitdidbackin2009andthatrecessionaryperiod.
Sowelookedatthatasaveryextremelyremotescenario.Butnonetheless,weknowwhereweareattoday.Theoilshockhasinfactoccurredandwerecognizewewillneedtoworkthroughthesehedgepositionsoverthenextfewyears.
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
Yes,justtoaddtothat,ImeanclearlyweareabitofablackswanwhenitcomestooilandevenlastOctoberthepropaneforwardmarketwasjustabove$1agallon.Sonoonereallysawthiscominganditisanextremecase.
Ithinkitisimportanttokeepinmindthatwhatourgoalwastotrytoneutralizeandfranklygetolefinsoffthetableobviously.Thatobjectivedidn'tsortofworkout.
ButwhenyouthinkaboutcapitaldeploymentandhowwearegrowingourCompanyyouneedtostepbackandrealizethatwhilethisisanimportantshort-termissueandwearemanagingitasaggressivelyaswepossiblycan,ourstrategyistogrowourCompanyinSpecialtyProducts.
Ourcapitaldeploymentiscenteredonorganicinvestments,capitaldeploymentinSpecialtyProductslikeTritan,likeCrystexandmicrofibers.Ouracquisitionsarecenteredonaddinggreatportfoliosofbusinessesthataredurableunderthesekindofvolatilescenariosandhavegreatwaystogrowwithnicemacrotrends.
Sothethingsthatwearecontrollingthatweareinvestinginthatgivelong-termgrowthareallsortofmovinginthatdirectionandreducingtheamountofolefinsaspartofourportfolio.Weintentionallychosethestrategynottobeinvestingagainstthespreadofoilversusshalegasinlargeinvestments.Obviouslywearenothappyaboutthishedge,butthehedgealsorollsoffoverthenextcoupleyears.
Andevenifyoulookatitonashort-termbasismorelike2015to2016,Idon'texpectittobeaheadwindin2016unlesswethinkoilisgoingtofurtherdropfromhereandIthinkmostpeopleareoftheviewthatitisstabletoup.Andthenwearebacktogrowingearnings8%to12%in2016over2015perourstrategywhenyousortofthinkaboutthiswholeoilscenarioisreallyjusta2015typeissueforus.
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P.J.Juvekar(Analyst-Citigroup):
Thankyou.Andsecondly[resin]volumesweredown.Onthelastquarteryoutalkedaboutlowerrosinsupplyfromthisyear'scropandhowdoyouseethatimpactingyourresinpricing?AndintermsofvolumeswhatdoyouthinkisgoingonintheChineseadhesivemarket?Thankyou.
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
Adhesiveshadanicerecoveryin2014to2013andweexpectittocontinueinto2015.Sowe'veseenverystrongsoliddemandgrowthinhygiene,high-valuepackagingapplicationsthatuseourmoreadvantagedhydrogenatedresins.Soit'sbeenanicedemandstoryin2014andthatwillcontinueinto2015.
Whatwealsosawistheavailabilityofhydrocarbonrawmaterialstomakeresinsbecametighteragainrelativetodemandgrowthandwegotsomepricingpowerbackandwereabletostartimprovingourmargins.
Andaspartofthatquestion,rosinpriceshavebeenrelativelystableatamorenormalizedlevel.Soitisnotasattractivetosubstitutefromhydrocarbonstorosinsasitwasbackin2013.Andthatisexpectedtostayprettystableandconsistentin2015.
Andwejustcontinuetothinkofthisbusinessashavingcontinuedrecovery,whichwillbeabalanceofcreatingvalueforourshareholderswithpriceandvolumeasthatrawmaterialmarketisalsoalittlebittighttothewholeindustryonmakinghydrocarbonresins.Sowearegoingtocreatevaluewithbothlevers.
P.J.Juvekar(Analyst-Citigroup):
Thankyou.
Operator:
LaurenceAlexander,Jefferies.
LaurenceAlexander(Analyst-JefferiesandCo.):
Inyourfreecashflowbridgefor2015whatisyourworkingcapitalassumption?Andthenhowdoyouseeworkingcapitaldaysevolvingin20162017?
Curt Espeland(EVP,CFO):
SogenerallyspeakingIexpectourcashconversioncycletoberoughlythesame,particularlywhatwefocusonmostlyisthequantitywhenwelookatitemslikeinventory.Soasweworkthroughthatbusinessbybusiness,lookatwheresomeofthegrowthisgoingtobeandunderstandingworkingcapitalrequirements,etcetera,Igenerallythinkitwillbeflat.
Nowwe'llalsotrytoestimatetheimpactoftheflow-throughoflowerrawsthatwehavebeentalkingabouttodayonanetbasis.Sowehavefactoredinthataswell.SowhenIthinkaboutworkingcapital2015over2014onanet-netIthinkit'sgoingtobeaslightheadwindforusonacashbasisgoinginto2015.
LaurenceAlexander(Analyst-JefferiesandCo.):
Okay,andthenonTaminco,youaddressedsortoftheAgimpactforaminesonthevolumeside.Areyouseeinganypressureonmarginsforthatindustry--forthatbusinesseitherin2015orgoinginto2016?
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
No,wearenotseeinganypressuresonthemarginside.I' llremindyouthatmostofTaminco'sbusinessesislong-termcontracted,pricingstructuresaretypicallycostpass-throughs.Soifolefinsgodowntheyaregoing
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topassthrough,ifitgoesupitpassesthrough.
SoingeneralIdon'tthinkthereisanythingmeaningfulfromapricepointofview.TheyofcoursehavesomemodestcurrencyheadwindsintheirEuropeanoperations,butit'snotsignificantrelativetosomeoftheotherpartsofourportfolio.Sothatisnotreallyaconcern.
LaurenceAlexander(Analyst-JefferiesandCo.):
Thankyou.
Operator:
BobKoort,GoldmanSachs.
BobKoort (Analyst-GoldmanSachs):
IwaswonderingifatleastinTaminco,Iknowtheyhadsomecholinechlorideandotherproductsthatservedthedrillingindustry.Haveyouguysstartedtoseesomeerosionindemandtrendsforanyofyourenergyapplication?
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
Hey,Bob,goodquestion.Wearelookingatthat.Rightnowthecholinechlorideisaprettysmallpercentageofthetotalportfolioforfracking.Someofthatgoesintocleaningupsourgaswhichisn'tasvulnerabletosomeofthisdynamicwithoilrightnow.Butwearen'tseeinganydramatictrendsyetinthedemandanditseemsprettysolidstartingouttheyear.
Butourforecastincludesanexpectationofsofteningdemandgrowthinthatbusinesstowardsthebackhalfoftheyear.Just--youcan'tavoidthenewsofhowpeoplearecuttingbackondrillingrightnow.Andso,weexpectthattobealittlebitmoremodest.Butitisaverysmallpercentageofthetotalrevenuetoday.Sonotabigexposure.
BobKoort (Analyst-GoldmanSachs):
Letmeaskyou--maybeit'smoreofatheoreticalquestion,butitseemstomeetEastmanispositionedlikemanycompaniesbetweensortofcrackeroutputsandultimateconsumerproducts.Andwe'veseenalotoftheoutputsfromtheserefineriesorcrackershavemelteddownandwealsohearfromalotofconsumerandendmarketcompaniessayingtheyhaven'treallyseenanygreatwindfallyet.
Soitwouldseemthatthereisawholeslugofprofitabilityouttherethatsomebodyshouldbegrabbingatthemoment.AndmaybeEastman,givenwhereyouareacrossthatsupplychain.Soistherepotentialforthattohappen?Arethecustomersjusttooaggressiveinseekingouttheirshareofthatrawmaterial[lead]?
Istheresomethingaboutyourparticularportfoliothatdoesn'texposeyoutothatreliefbeyondthepropanehedge?Whyaren'tcompanieslikeyoursreallysittinginasweetspotforthenextcoupleofquartersuntilthecustomerscanbangdownpricing?
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
Well,Bob,firstofallIcanassureyouthatwearedoingeverythingwecantoaggressivelyholdontovalueeverywhereinthisrawmaterialenvironment.ThestoryisproductbyproductIcangiveyouadifferentstorywherewehaveverystrong--alotofourportfoliofranklyjustisn'tsubjecttothisrawmaterialtailwind,itisjustverysteady,verynicesolidmarginbusinesses.
Ourwholecelluloseesterstreamjustisn'tpartofthisdynamicrightnow.Soyouputthatasideandjustsay
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thatisfocusedonvolumegrowthanddeliveringvalue.
Intheplaceswhereyouhavegotbenzene,paraxylene,partsofAdvancedMaterials,heattransferfluidsandPPD,thingslikethatwherewe'vegotsomerawmaterialtailwinds,someofthatissomewhatcommodityorientedandyouaregoingtopassthepriceonprettyfastandyouhavegotformulacontractsinplace.Atotherplaceswearegoingtoholdontoasmuchofthatvalueaswecanandthedynamicsaredifferent.
Andintheolefinsitisthesamestory,someofitiscommoditywhereitisgoingtopassonquickly,youcanseewherepricesaregoinginsomeoftheSFIproductsintheIsisdailyreport.Butotherplaceswe'reholdingontoit.
Soourguidanceincludesholdingontoamodestamountofthatvaluethroughtheyeartooffsetthecurrencyandpropanehedgeheadwindstogetustowhereweareguidingrightnow.Ifwedobetterinholdingontothatvalue,whichiscertainlyourgoal,thatwouldbeupside.Butwedon'twanttogetaheadofourselvesuntilweseehowsuccessfulwearethroughthefirstquarter.
BobKoort (Analyst-GoldmanSachs):
Andwouldyoueverconsidersettlingthosehedgesjusttoremovethestigmagoingforwardin[peopledon't]capitalizethat?
Curt Espeland(EVP,CFO):
Well,theyarecashflowhedgedandwedon'tgetinthehabitoftryingtorepositionthemconstantly.Butwedoevaluatethat.Butifyoulookattheopportunityright,nowitlookslikeoilismorelikelytogoupthandown.Ithinkquitehonestlyevenifwesettlethemfromacashbasistheearningsimplicationwillstillflow-throughasacashflowhedgeoverthenextcoupleofyears.
BobKoort (Analyst-GoldmanSachs):
Great,thanks.
GregRiddle (VP-IR):
Let'smakethenextquestionthelastoneplease.
Operator:
MikeSison,KeyBanc.
MikeSison(Analyst-KeyBancCapitalMarkets):
Mark,youtalkedaboutSaflex,theacousticbusinessdoingprettywellin2014.Canyoutalkaboutthegrowthpotentialin2015?Andisthatabusinessthatcouldreallybenefitfromthelowerrawmaterialsasyouholdpricing?
MarkCosta (Chairman,CEO):
Greatquestion,Mike.Theinterlayersbusinessisagreatbusiness,inparticularthepremiumproductsacousticsandheads-updisplays,bothhighmarginveryhigh-growthdouble-digitsandexpectedtocontinuefromavolumepointofviewinto2015andbeyond.OEMautobuildersareswitchingnotjustwindshieldtoacousticsbutside[lams],etcetera,forbothacousticandlightweightingpurposes.Soitisjustagreatgrowthtrend.
Andwehavegotsomegreatnext-generationproductscomingoutdownthepiketomakethatvaluepropositionevenbetteroverthenextcoupleyears.Onthepricingside,youareabsolutelyright.Inthe
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premiumproductyoudon'thavetogivealotofthe[aluminummaterial]benefitback,sothatwillalsobesometailwindforthatbusinessacrossthewholeportfolio.
Thosealsohave--alotofourbusinesstherehasannualcontractslikefiberswhereyousortofgetlockedin.Andso,ifyouhaveheadwindslikewedidlastyearandVAMpricesgoingup,thathurtsandthisyearweexpecttohavesometailwinds.
MikeSison(Analyst-KeyBancCapitalMarkets):
Okay,great.AndyoumaintainedyourEPSaccretionforTamincothatyouhadpreviously.Istheintegrationsynergypotentialaboutthesameinthatnumber,isitbetter?Howisthatcomingalong?
Curt Espeland(EVP,CFO):
Well,Mike,thankyou.FirstofallIwouldsaytheintegrationeffortshavegoneofftoagreatstartacrossmanyfriends,greatfeedbackfromcustomers,suppliersandwearereallythankfultohavethetalentthathascomeoverfromTamincotohelpusmanagethesebusinesses.
Asyoulookatthesynergiesthemselves,westillfeelweareontargettoa5%synergy.Ifyourecall,those5%synergiesaremostlycostsynergiesintheformofoperationalsynergies,supplychainoptimizations,etcetera.ThosewilltakealittlelongerthansomeofthesynergiesthatwehavecapturedfromotheracquisitionssuchasSolutia.
SoIstillfeelgoodaboutgettingthemajorityofthese5%soverthenexttwoyears.Wewillgetjustaportionofthatin2015,maybealittlelessthanIwasthinkingalittlewhileago.Butwewillgetthemajorityofthosecostsynergiesin2016,andthenwewillgetalittlebitbeyondthatplusthebusinessandrevenuesynergieswillkickinafterthat.
MikeSison(Analyst-KeyBancCapitalMarkets):
Great,thankyou.
GregRiddle (VP-IR):
Thanksagain,everyone,forjoiningusthismorning.AwebreplayandareplayindownloadableMP3formatwillbeavailableonourWebsitelaterthismorning.Thanksagainandhaveagoodday.
Operator:
Onceagain,ladiesandgentlemen,thisdoesconcludeyourconferencefortoday.
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