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INQUIRY UNDER SECTION 438U OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACT

BLUE MOUNTAINS CITY COUNCIL

Public Hearing

Held atBlue Mountains Cultural Centre

30-32 Parke Street, Katoomba, NSW

On Wednesday, 18 March 2020 at 10am

(Day 17)

Before Mr Richard Beasley SC, Commissioner

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THE COMMISSIONER: Come forward, Mr Greenwood.

<ROBERT KEITH GREENWOOD, sworn:

MR SINGLETON: Sorry, Commissioner, can I note thatMr Langevad is assisting with our team today and is presentin the hearing room.

THE COMMISSIONER: No problems, thanks. This is a publichearing, so we have no drama today.

MR SINGLETON: I think he's going to be a witness, that'swhy I mention it.

MR GLOVER: Q. Mr Greenwood, would you state your fullname again, please?A. Robert Keith Greenwood.

Q. And you were the general manager until about November2017?A. Correct.

Q. You commenced in that role in about 2010; is thatright?A. Correct.

Q. I'm just going to have Mr Broad bring you volume 1 ofExhibit 82. Just turn ahead to page 38, you'll see somebold numbers in the centre of the page, at the foot of thepage. There you have a work health and safetyharmonisation gap analysis performed by Willis in April2012; do you see that?A. Yep.

Q. Do you recall this process being undertaken?A. I do.

Q. Just turn ahead to page 40, about halfway down thepage there's a paragraph commencing, "The Blue MountainsCity Council engaged the service of Willis", do you havethat?A. Yes.

Q. It goes on to record their brief to perform a gapanalysis of their current occupational health and safetypractices against the new work, health and safetylegislation which was enacted on 1 January 2012. Do you

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see that?A. Yes.

Q. Do you recall that legislation being enacted?A. I do.

Q. When it was enacted, did you take any steps tofamiliarise yourself with its requirements?A. I did.

Q. What were they?A. I went to a training course.

Q. Anything other than the training course?A. Briefings by the program leader at safety and by thedirector.

Q. If you have page 41, you will see in the secondparagraph where there's some bullet points, there's anumber of high risks identified on the day of inspection,the higher risk areas relate to management of asbestos; doyou see that?A. I do.

Q. Do you recall becoming aware, shortly after theenactment of new health and safety legislation in January2012, of the requirements of that legislation in relationto asbestos management?A. I was aware of it.

Q. Were you aware of the requirements in relation toasbestos management plans?A. I was made aware of that by the director, yes.

Q. In about 2012?A. I don't recall exactly when it was, but I would assumeby this document it would have been, but I can't recall.

Q. Turn ahead to page 69. You will see, this is a table,a colourful table, and there's a heading, "Asbestos"; doyou see that?A. I do.

Q. The second box down refers to an asbestos survey, andalong the last column there's recommendations, and there'sa recommendation that an asbestos survey is conducted onall buildings within the BMCC which have been constructed

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after the year 2000; do you see that?A. Yes.

Q. Do you recall becoming aware of that recommendationout of this report?A. I would become aware of that through this report, yes.

Q. Did you take any steps to ensure that thatrecommendation was followed?A. My recollection at the time, we engaged a consultantand allocated that responsibility to a directorate and adirector, from my recollection.

Q. Starting first with the directorate and the director,who was that?A. Would have been the city and community outcomes; thedirector would have been Mr Corbett.

Q. And you refer to a consultant, do you recall who thatwas?A. No, I think it possibly was Willis. We have that manyconsultants I can't recall which one it was.

Q. Was the allocation of responsibility done shortlyafter this report was received?A. Um, my recollection was that it was, but I - my -yeah, my recollection is that it was fairly close afterthat.

Q. Having allocated that responsibility to thatdirectorate and its director, did you take steps to monitorthe progress of that?A. Only through the advice of the director reporting backto me.

Q. Is it the case that you would receive regularbriefings from each of the directors?A. I received - yes, every fortnight I receivedbriefings.

Q. You may not be able to recall, particularly back toshortly after this report was received, but would it beyour practice to seek updates from directors about mattersof significance within their directorate?A. Correct.

Q. Would progress of, for example, an asbestos survey

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recommended by Willis be a matter that you would see ofsignificance in that directorate?A. I would see it as significant.

Q. Do you recall Mr Corbett giving you updates from timeto time about their progress in this area?A. As of today, I can't recall specific ones; like, youknow, but I think, not much.

Q. If you would turn to page 70, please, you will seeanother row commencing, "An asbestos management plan hasbeen established by management", et cetera. Just have ascan of that requirement box and let me know when you'vefinished.A. Yep.

Q. You will see the recommendation:

Once the asbestos survey has beenundertaken the AMP will be developed.

Do you have that?A. Yes.

Q. And it says:

Assets should be the custodian of the AMPto ensure that updates are provided toregister holders.

Do you see that?A. Yes.

Q. And assets was within Mr Corbett's directorate; isthat right?A. Correct.

Q. You are aware, as at about this time, that an asbestosmanagement plan was a requirement in the newly enacted workhealth and safety legislation; is that right?A. That's correct.

Q. Was that a matter which was also assigned toMr Corbett's directorate?A. It was.

Q. And do you recall Mr Corbett giving you briefings as

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to his progress, or the progress of his directorate, indeveloping those matters?A. Not as I sit here today, no.

Q. Around this time, that is, April 2012 and the monthsshortly thereafter, were you aware of the position of thecouncil's asbestos policies?A. My understanding was that we - my understanding wasthat we had - we had the policies, that was myunderstanding at the time; that we complete - that we'ddone the work that we said we were going to do.

Q. How did you gain that understanding?A. Through the director.

Q. Mr Corbett?A. Mr Corbett.

Q. Turn ahead to page 96, please. There you will havethe model asbestos policy for New South Wales councilsissued in November 2012 by the then division of LocalGovernment; do you have that?A. I do.

Q. Do you recall this being released?A. Not specifically, no.

Q. Do you recall becoming aware of it at some later time?A. Um, not really.

Q. Turn to page 166.A. Sorry, to go back to that: I did become aware of itafter - in 2017.

Q. In 2017, this is the first time you recall being awareof a model asbestos policy?A. In detail, yes.

Q. Go to 166. There you will have a circular thecouncil's issued in November 2012. Just have a scan ofthat document and I'm going to ask you if that assists torefresh your memory.A. I may have seen it at the time, I can't --

Q. Sitting here today you don't have an independentrecollection?A. No, not an independent recall sitting here today.

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Q. You said earlier you recall being aware of it fromabout 2017; right?A. That's correct.

Q. How did you become aware of it in 2017?A. After we received the SafeWork notice, I madeenquiries.

Q. Who did you make the enquiries of?A. The director, um, of, ah - I think the director ofgroup manager people and systems at that time.

Q. Was that Mr Liddell at the time?A. That's Mr Liddell.

Q. What did he tell you about the model asbestos policy?A. Well, he said that the council, that that was themodel that we were using that we had on our - on ourwebsite and that was the one that we were using.

Q. When you say "on our website", was he referring --A. On our - yeah, sorry?

Q. When he says he was referring to a document on awebsite, do you recall what document he was referring to?A. Well, the guidelines for - they were the guidelinesfor staff for asbestos that we adopted, we were using themodel.

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. That was on the public website orthe intranet?A. Internal.

Q. Sorry?A. The staff one, internal.

Q. Intranet or whatever it is?A. Yeah, intranet, yeah.

MR GLOVER: Q. If you turn to page 224, this is a memofrom Mr Corbett to the governance and risk steering group,and you didn't sit on that --A. 204?

Q. 224.A. Oh, 224, sorry.

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Q. There's a memo from Mr Corbett to the governance andrisk steering group at 13 February 2012; is that?A. I do.

Q. You didn't sit on that group at that time; is thatright?A. I did at different times. I may well have, I did atdifferent times. I established the steering groups andthat was what - the governance and risk and our priorgroups management one where I was improving the councillorsin that area, and I may well have been sitting on it, Ican't ...

Q. Have a read of that memo, or a scan of that memo, andlet me know when you've done that?A. You want me to read the whole memo?

Q. Yes, please.

THE COMMISSIONER: What page are we on now?

MR GLOVER: 224.

THE COMMISSIONER: Oh, we're still on 224.

MR GLOVER: Yes, I've just asked Mr Greenwood to ...

THE COMMISSIONER: Yep.

THE WITNESS: Yes.

MR GLOVER: Q. And, doing the best you can, I appreciateit's February 2013, but do you recall becoming aware ofthis work that was being done within Mr Corbett'sdirectorate?A. I did.

Q. Were you giving any direction to Mr Corbett about theprogress of that work?A. I wouldn't have been directing him, he would have -I'd be relying on him, I wouldn't have been directing him,but obviously if there were any issue it would come back tome in relation to that.

Q. Did you see these as important issues for the council?A. Very.

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Q. Did you impart that to Mr Corbett?A. I would - yeah, I would have.

Q. Do you recall expressing to Mr Corbett a need for thecouncil to move these things forward as quickly aspossible?A. I do.

Q. Was it about this time?A. It was.

Q. Was that something you raised with Mr Corbett morethan once?A. I would have.

Q. Were you seeking regular updates from Mr Corbett orothers about the development of this work?A. I usually relied on the directors, that they're tocome back to me with the high level issues. I would saythat at that time the systems and procedures of theorganisation in relation to enterprise risk management,safety, and many other things, was at a fairly basic leveland one of my - one of my roles was to improve the systemsand procedures of the organisation, particularly inrelation to risk management, enterprise risk management,safety and many other areas, so that it became - it wasvisibility - I mean, this is not the only important issue,but is very - safety was one of my priorities, identifiedas one of my priorities when I started.

So, I guess the systems at that time really, and thestructure, would have relied heavily on directors, but theywere allocated work and we'd heavily rely on them ratherthan the systems and procedures that we later introducedwhere there would be overview and sometimes centralisation.

Q. In that answer you referred to advancing the issue ofsafety generally.A. That's correct.

Q. Asbestos management is an aspect of that?A. Correct.

Q. Is it the case that you were wanting to drivedevelopment in the council's approach to safety generally,but not necessarily focusing on one particular aspect of

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safety?A. Overall, yes, all aspects of safety.

Q. Turn to page 248, please. This is a memo fromMr Kitching to the EMT; is that known as the executivemanagement team at the time?A. Yes, it was.

Q. And comes up through Mr Corbett. If you just have alook about two-thirds of the way down page 248, there's aparagraph commencing, "Following the release of the MAP, areview", et cetera. Mr Kitching says that that reviewshowed that:

... council departments have independentlymade every endeavour to identify and managethe risk of asbestos exposure, howeverthose systems/procedures documents are notmanaged by an overarching plan and fallshort of best practice.

Is that something that you agreed with in August 2013,doing the best you can?A. I wouldn't dispute it.

Q. You wouldn't dispute it?A. No.

Q. Looking back now, do you have a view about whetherthat's an accurate statement?A. I can't recall what plans we had at that - you know, Ijust can't recall what plan we had at that particular time,but I --

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. There was no asbestos managementplan at the time, was there?A. No.

MR GLOVER: Q. After the intervention of SafeWork in2017, you take steps to inform yourself in more detailabout the position the council had in relation to asbestosmanagement generally?A. Correct.

Q. And, having done so, would you agree that in theperiod as at August 2013, council departments had madeevery endeavour to identify and manage the risk of

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asbestos?A. It was my belief at the time.

Q. What about after you made the - you became moreinformed in --A. No, (indistinct - overtalking) I was made aware, I wasdefinitely aware that it was - that we weren't - we weren'tdoing what we should be doing at the level we should bedoing it; we had things in place but we weren't at the, Iguess, contemporary level.

Q. You will see, there's a seven-step process set out onpage 249; you see that?A. Yes.

Q. Step 1 is to engage selected contractor to carry outaudit. Is that the process that you recalled earlier abouthaving engaged a consultant to undertake the auditidentified by Willis?A. I think there was one prior to that, and then therewas this one; that's my understanding.

Q. The one prior to that --A. That's my memory.

Q. Do you have in mind an audit done by a company calledEchelon?A. That rings a bell, Echelon rings a bell. I - youknow, I can't recall the ...

Q. So, you think there was one done --A. I think there was one prior to this one, that's myrecollection as I sit here now. I have got no access toany council documents, I haven't for three years, so Ijust --

Q. Mr Greenwood, if at any stage you're not certain aboutyour recollection or you can't recall, please say so. Butyou think there might have been an audit done between theWillis report in April 2013 and August 2013?A. That's my - that's my feeling.

Q. I just want you to assume for the moment that therewasn't one, okay?A. Okay.

Q. And that, as at August 2013 the EMT has been informed

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that Airsafe has been engaged to conduct an audit in step 2of selected buildings; now, a little shy of 18 months afterthe Willis report. Would it have been of concern to youthat the audit recommended by Willis in April 2012 hadn'tbeen commenced until this time, that is, August 2013?A. That is - that is a fair go, yeah, I would beconcerned, yes.

Q. You would agree that things should have been donefaster to action that recommendation by Willis?A. Yes, for an issue like that, I think it should havebeen.

Q. The steps go on to detailed audits, the audit beingdone in rounds, do you see that, step 5, for example,second round audits?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Do you recall being aware that the audit was going tobe done in stages?A. Um, not specifically.

Q. And then step 6 is an updated asbestos policypresented to council for adoption in September 2013; do yousee that?A. Yes.

Q. That didn't happen, did it?A. No, I have no recollection of that happening.

Q. You said earlier you're aware that the work health andsafety legislation came into effect on 1 January 2012?A. Yes.

Q. And you're aware of what that legislation required inrelation to asbestos management?A. Not in every detail, I'd rely on others for that.

Q. But you were aware that it required an asbestosmanagement plan, for example?A. Through the director I was, yes.

Q. Here, the EMT was being informed that a policy - Idraw the distinction between a policy and a plan - that thepolicy was not to be adopted until September 2013, and nomention is made of a plan. Was that a matter of concern toyou at the time, the pace at which things were moving?

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A. I can't recall.

Q. You said in your answer earlier that responsibilityfor these matters had been put in Mr Corbett's directorate,and you'll see Mr Thompson's name listed on page 248; doyou recall Mr Thompson?A. I do.

Q. Do you recall being aware of Mr Thompson's role inadvancing these matters at the time?A. Um, not specifically; I would have dealt with thedirector and sometimes perhaps the manager, but notspecifically Mr Thompson, no.

Q. If Mr Thompson had reported to Mr Cattermole orMr Corbett that there wasn't capacity, either in terms ofskill set or time, within that area to advance thedevelopment of a model asbestos policy or register, whatwould you have expected Mr Corbett to have done with thatinformation?A. To have reported it to me.

Q. And, did he?A. No.

Q. Did Mr Cattermole ever raise it with you?A. No.

Q. Did anyone ever suggest to you at the time thatoutside assistance was required?A. Not to me, no.

Q. Did you form that view?A. Um, the - I was never - I was never adverse tobringing in consultants for specialised work where staffdidn't have the skills, it's something that we did quiteoften because you don't have people like that on staff inlots of areas, so the use of consultants for specificspecialised projects is fairly normal.

Q. Turn to page 253 --

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it, or what's the purpose of having them be signatories?A. I think that's something in their, something in theirarea, um, that they've introduced; normally comes from thedirector to me, and normally to EMT. Differentdirectorates might have the author of the document, butthat's something that they've - they've obviously gonethrough a procedure of, up the line, if you like.

Q. Yes, but does that indicate - I mean, it says "fromSteve Kitching", so I'm going to assume he's the author.A. Yes.

Q. But Mr Thompson signing it, Mr Cattermole as themanager build assets, and Mr Corbett as the director alsosigning it, is that an indication that they approve itgoing to the EMT or?A. Well, it does, because the director brings it to - thedirector puts it on the agenda and the director brings it.

Q. The EMT comprised who at the time?A. It'd be the three directors, the two group managers,and I think the - I think the manager of finance is also onthe executive team.

Q. Sorry, you may have said this and I may have missedit, but would this have gone to you as general manager?A. Oh, I was - yeah, it would, I'm on the executivemanagement team and I read every document that goes to the- pretty much, as much as I could.

THE COMMISSIONER: Sure, thank you. Page 253?

MR GLOVER: Yes, 253.

THE COMMISSIONER: I was going to ...

MR GLOVER: Q. You have page 253?A. I do.

Q. You will see, "Emergency asbestos management plan2013". If you turn to page 255, you will see under the redheading the paragraph:

The emergency asbestos management planshall be used for the management ofasbestos containing materials afterthe October 2013 fires and covers all

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property damage ...

Et cetera, do you have that?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Do you recall this plan being developed in response tothat need?A. Oh, I remember the issue of asbestos with the -certainly with the fires of 13. This particular document,I have a recollection of it, that's probably about all.

Q. This was developed, as it says on page 255, for aparticular purpose. Do you recall, as part of themanagement of asbestos in response to the 2013 fires,becoming concerned about the council's approach to asbestosmanagement more generally?A. No. This was, um - this was to - I'm just trying toget - is this to do with our - managing our waste area? Ithink, is that this one, because I haven't read thisdocument. You've shown me the cover, I haven't read it,so ...

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. In the introduction at 258, itsays in the second - after mentioning the fires inparagraph 1, under 1.1 it says:

ACMs have been directly impacted byfire ... the emergency AMP has beendeveloped on the basis that all ACMs arefriable.

Drop down fourth paragraph:

E and AMP is relevant for all structuresand equipment that contain asbestos andthat being damaged by theSpringwood October 2013 fire.

A. Yes, I remember the work that the council --

Q. So it looks as though it was specifically developedbecause the fires.A. And I remember that work, I remember that workclearly, we did an asbestos --

Q. What's your recollection of the general asbestos issueas it emerged following those fires in 2013?

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A. Well, the council officers were involved with thestate authorities in going out and identifying - going toall sites and getting in emergency provisions to securewhere there was suspected asbestos, and they brought --

Q. Were a lot of buildings burnt or damaged, were they?A. There were 200 destroyed, and 300; I remember --

Q. Did that immediately raise an alarm bell withincouncil about asbestos because of that?A. Yes, absolutely, but more generally specifically tothat - to the issue of those buildings and the damagedbuildings, and we worked - our staff worked, from ourregulatory area, worked with the state authorities ingetting together a plan in terms of securing it and thenhow it was going to be disposed of, where it was going tobe disposed of, and certainly the head of WorkSafe, I metwith her and she said that she was very impressed with thework that we'd done.

Q. And, I don't know whether this document shows it: doyou remember who within council was responsible for takingleadership on --A. It would have been the director of C&CO again.

Q. So that was Mr Corbett?A. Mr Corbett, his area.

THE COMMISSIONER: Sorry, I interrupted you, go ahead,Mr Glover.

MR GLOVER: That's all right.

Q. Having that issue become - have some prominence inresponse to the fires, moving forward, was there aparticular focus on the council's approach to asbestosmanagement?A. As a result of that?

Q. Yes?A. No, not from memory, it didn't then raise the - itdidn't - my memory is that, that was a discrete issue, itdidn't then raise our other buildings.

Q. Turn to page 308.

THE COMMISSIONER: Are you leaving that document?

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MR GLOVER: Yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: Is there a date anywhere on it? It'sobviously a document that's had several iterations becauseit's been amended.

MR GLOVER: Yes, 253, there's a date of October 2013.

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. Does that mean - oh, yes, okay, sothat means this must have gone into development almostimmediately after the fires finished?A. Correct. Because of - well, many issues, but therewas the containment, then there was the removal, then therewas the disposal.

Q. At 255 it says "Revision Status". Is there anysignificance in the name Sam Hewitt(?) or Rebecca Tempest,waste and resource manager?A. Rebecca Tempest would have been the program leader. Iwould have thought they were probably heavily involved inpulling it together as the operative.

Q. And, was it based on the New South Wales Public Worksplan? It's said to say "Blue Mountains City Council andNew South Wales Public Works Emergency Asbestos ManagementPlan". Do you recall, Mr Greenwood?A. I don't recall, but we were working closely withPublic Works in relation to the fires and --

Q. They were assisting with the fires, were they?A. Well, the initial response to the fires, the immediaterecovery, was state recovery even though we were the - Iguess we were the front runners and the resourcing workingon stuff. But EPA, WorkSafe, and Public Works, anyone thatwas related to the issues that had to be resolved had -they had their specialist and they worked with council.

THE COMMISSIONER: Thank you.

MR GLOVER: Q. Sorry, 308. There you have a draftasbestos policy at page 309, you see the date last modifiedas being 14 November, responsibility for reviewMr Thompson. As these policies are being drafted, wouldthey come up to you in their various iterations?A. Normally they would go through the executivemanagement team; the normal practice, they would.

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Q. Is that once they're at a stage for consideration forapproval rather than a drafting process?A. It usually went for approval.

Q. Do you recall seeing this policy document inabout November 2013?A. See, I can't recall when I saw it, if I saw it. If Iwas on the executive and it went through the executive Iwould have seen it, if there's a record; council's recordswould indicate whether I did.

Q. So it would only be if the policy was ready to bepresented to the executive for approval that it would cometo you; is that right?A. That's correct.

Q. And otherwise you would be reliant on briefings fromthe relevant director as to the work going on to developthe policy?A. That's correct.

Q. Do you recall now, at the end of 2013, being aware ofthe work that was being done in the C&CO directorate todevelop the asbestos policy?A. So the question is, was I?

Q. Were you aware, do you recall being aware at about theend of 2013, that is, in the period shortly after thefires, of the work that was being done in the C&COdirectorate to develop this policy?A. I can't recall.

Q. Did you, at the end of 2013 shortly after the fires,make enquiries of Mr Corbett as to what steps he was takingto ensure that council complied with its obligations underthe relevant work health and safety legislation in relationto asbestos?A. Immediately after the fires, but probably 24/7 I waswith the Mayor and I was with State Government; I wastrying to pull together, you know, a recovery; I don'tthink I would have been talking to Mr Corbett about thispolicy.

Q. And for how long did that process continue?A. Two years.

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Q. When did things - if this is an appropriate term -when did things return to business as usual from yourperspective?A. Probably midway through 2015.

Q. Do I take it from the answer you gave a moment ago,focus on your - I think you said enterprise riskmanagement --A. Yes.

Q. -- development and overall council systems had to takea lower priority than the bushfire recovery; is that --A. That's absolutely right. Our whole reform agenda didgo - was sort of put on the backburner, not entirely, butthe fires are only one issue.

Q. What are the others?A. The others are fit for the future, all unplanned,unprogrammed, unbudgeted. So, the fires obviously were themajor one, and I think the rest of the state now knows,after the recent fires, what the impacts are and how longthe recovery is going to be, but we certainly --

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. Can you give us a snapshot ofthat, what the council's role was and what the council didin that period following the bushfires in terms of recoveryeffort?A. Yeah, well, all of the logistics, first of all infinding accommodation, and then staffing and resourcing theState Government's person that they'd put in place. Butthen we were then holding public meetings, public forums,to inform people to - you know, we were bringing in peoplelike, obviously Red Cross, banks, I mean, it was fairlychaotic for the people involved, and at the same time wehad people living - that didn't have their houses destroyedmeeting with the Mayor as early as 6 o'clock in the morningto prepare for media barrages every day; the needs of thegovernment at the time, all of the resourcing that wentwith that.

Q. What about through 2014 after that immediate impact?A. Well then, the State Government very short - not thatlong after the recovery, the bureaucrats, their plan was tohand it over to us as quick as possible; it became a localrecovery plan, there's reports on that in council, thereare reports in relation to the resources that we needed andwe weren't given, not all of them.

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So, then we work - the recovery then was a majorprocess that went on, as I said, for probably 18 months totwo years, again, getting the - there was the psychologicalissues, there's the Mayor relief fund, allocation of money,all of those issues, all of those things in terms ofinfrastructure and development approvals, quick approvalsfor re-builds, bringing staff in from other councils toassist us. You know, it was full-on and I think we're allseeing now from the last fires, and because it was such amajor issue, that there's Federal and State Governmentsupport and money, and we didn't have much of that sort ofstuff, so we were pretty much left to our own devices. RedCross were amazing, the other institutions were absolutelyfantastic but, which it's our community, we support ourcommunity, it was the number one property for a long time.

Q. Fit for the future, when was that first announced? Iknow what it's about.A. The date now, I'm struggling with the date now,because so much happened, but that was another majorproject for the council.

MR GLOVER: Exhibit 58.

THE COMMISSIONER: What does that say?

MR GLOVER: The submission had to be in by 30 June 2015.

THE COMMISSIONER: Right.

MR GLOVER: I'm just trying to find the --

THE COMMISSIONER: The issue though is when work had tocommence.

MR GLOVER: Yes, I'm just --

THE WITNESS: I think it's about 12 months before, I thinkit was about a 12-month period, from memory, but -18 months.

MR BROAD: Here it is.

THE COMMISSIONER: Did you say Exhibit 58?

MR GLOVER: Yes.

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THE COMMISSIONER: The Office of Local Government'shelpfully just changed its web page.

MR GLOVER: I know, I couldn't find it either.

THE COMMISSIONER: So it's impossible to find anything.

MR GLOVER: Commissioner, if you --

THE COMMISSIONER: No, I've found Exhibit 58, it's allright.

MR GLOVER: On page 5 there's a background and it says:

The New South Wales Government deliveredits response to the ILGRP final reportin September and initiated a new FFTFinternal report.

THE COMMISSIONER: So it looks like a year out maybe,yeah.

MR GLOVER: Slightly less.

THE COMMISSIONER: But anyway, okay.

MR GLOVER: Last quarter of 2014.

THE COMMISSIONER: All right.

MR GLOVER: Q. And I think in answer, Mr Greenwood, yousaid that was unexpected, unbudgeted and unplanned?A. Correct.

Q. What level of response did it require from you in thatperiod from about September 2014 through to the report'ssubmission being lodged in June 2015?A. The issues in relation to our asset management and ourfinances were key issues that I was involved in with thedirector of - I'm trying to think of the name of thedirector now: program leader - of sustain - I can't thinkwhat the directorate is now, sorry about that.

Q. That's all right.A. Rosemary Dillon's area looking after the strategicplanning, the strategy, so that was an area that we'd been

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working on, that was obviously seen by me as a weakness interms of our asset management and our asset plans. Ourfinancial position of the council was very poor, and theprojection, if we kept doing what we were doing, was verypoor, we wouldn't have been fit for the future, so westarted work on that.

So, when the fit for the future - and that had beenreported to council, the council had set strategies to tryand bring us towards fit for the future, so that obviouslywas a high priority level for the council, and with myposition that was a high priority, to concentrate on makingsure that we did the things that we needed to do to ensurethat we were fit for the future, so it was a big body ofwork which had to comply with the government'srequirements.

Q. Were there any other examples in that period, so,(indistinct) is fit for the future, is there anything else?A. There was. The council had not long finished itslocal environmental plan which took about 10 years and alot of money, and the State Government mandated that wewould have a standard template for our planning scheme, sowe went back and did it all again, and obviously the area,it's a World Heritage area with environmental issues thatwe have and the heritage issues that we have, that was amajor body of work again for the council that wasunplanned.

Q. From October 2013 through to 2015, your evidence isthere were a number of significant issues going on withincouncil.A. Correct.

Q. And some of them had priority over others.

THE COMMISSIONER: Sorry, can I just interrupt.

Q. The LEP, your planning controls that you had to redo,they were done through the course of 14 and 15?A. I'm trying to think of the, again, the dates of the -the dates that were given.

Q. DCP and LEP are both 2015, so ...A. Mr Cork could give you an answer.

MR SINGLETON: Mr Cork knows.

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MR CORK: I'm happy to, if it's convenient?

THE COMMISSIONER: The LEP is definitely 2015, so is theDCP, so ...

MR CORK: The plan was in November 2015 to come effect,into effect on 15 February 2016.

THE COMMISSIONER: Right, okay.

MR GLOVER: Q. Now, despite all those competingpriorities you would agree, wouldn't you, that it was stillnecessary for the council to comply with its legislativerequirements in relation to asbestos management?A. I would.

Q. If you turn to page 382, please. This is anotherdraft policy document prepared, it seems, by Mr Kitching.If you have a look at page 383, there's a heading,"Relevant Legislation Asbestos Requirements", do you seethat?A. Mmm-hmm, I do.

Q. Just have a read of the bullet points and let me knowwhen you've done that.A. I've read it.

Q. They are all matters that you were aware of from early2012, were they?A. I would have been, yes.

Q. You would agree that it was important for the councilto comply with those obligations; correct?A. I do.

Q. You agree that, certainly by the end of 2013, thecouncil should have been compliant with them?A. I agree with that.

Q. Do you recall, appreciating the competing prioritiesthat arose in 2013 and continued thereafter, but do yourecall becoming concerned that the council was notcomplying with them?

THE COMMISSIONER: When?

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THE WITNESS: My, my --

MR GLOVER: Q. In fairness, I'll rephrase it.A. My understanding --

Q. Just pause, I'll rephrase the question to be clearerfor you. When do you recall first becoming concerned thatthe council was not complying with its obligations inrelation to the work health and safety legislation as itrelated to asbestos management?A. 2017.

Q. So, despite being aware from 2012 of what wasgenerally required, it wasn't until 2017 that you had aconcern that the council was not compliant?A. My understanding through that time was that we hadcomplied.

Q. Is that an understanding given to you by briefingsfrom the relevant director?A. By briefings from directors, from things that arosefrom time to time.

Q. What things arising from time to time?A. The Katoomba, I think it was the pre-school, there wasan incident there. I was briefed by the director, it was aworker that went to the site, identified it. We closed thesite. We brought in experts, we cleared - we didn't allowthe site to be occupied, found alternative accommodation.We remediated the site and my - it was a fairly - processseemed to be followed, my understanding was that we were ontop of it.

Q. So throughout the period 2012 to 2017 the reports youwere getting was that the council was compliant with itsobligations; is that right?A. That was my understanding, yes.

Q. And that it was, I think you used the words "on topof" its approach to asbestos management?A. Well, I wouldn't say it's "on top of" but that we werecomplying with the - that we were complying. Where we hadthe awareness, when incidents occurred we were acting onthem, we were acting on them appropriately. I know that weclosed down carparks when we were doing work, they wereclosed, they were isolated until they were remediated. Iknow we had experts come in from time to time to test for

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asbestos, so my - my day-to-day understanding was that wecompleted that work and we were - we were complying.

Q. But you now know that that understanding wasincorrect?A. I do.

Q. Turn to page 461, please. This is a memo, again fromMr Kitching, to the EMT of March 2014. You will recall, Ishowed you an earlier memorandum on the same or similartopics from August 2013. So, just to give you thetimeline, the last one from Mr Kitching that came from theEMT that I showed you earlier was August, and now we'rein March 2014. You will see Mr Kitching refers to theseven-step process.A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Under "Progress" on page 462, he reports that:

The council has already completed steps 1to 3. Assets and City Services aredeveloping a plan of works ...

Et cetera?A. You said the progress for that is slow?

Q. I'm sorry?A. You said that under, "Progress"?

Q. Yes, you will see under the heading, "Progress"Mr Kitching reports that the council has already completedsteps 1 to 3.A. Yes.

Q. Then he goes on to report that "Assets and cityservices are developing a plan of works", et cetera; do yousee that?A. Yes.

Q. And, tell me if you don't recall, but do you recallbecoming concerned, in March 2014, about the pace at whichthese matters were progressing?A. I can't recall, I can't recall my reaction when I sawthat.

Q. That's all right. Looking back on it now, do youagree that things were moving too slowly?

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A. Well, I would.

Q. Sorry?A. I would.

Q. If you have a look at page 464, there is a report fromAirsafe dated 10 April 2014. If you then turn ahead topage 474, you will see there's a heading, "Introduction".A. Yes.

Q. The first matter is authorisation, the report wasauthorised on 7 November 2013, and then it goes on to scopeof work referred to being based on the identification ofACM, et cetera, and refers to inspection of 34 councilassets. Do you recall this work being done, that is, theAirsafe inspections and reports being produced?A. I do remember the word Airsafe and work being done byAirsafe; I know the name, yes.

Q. And these would be matters that would be reported toyou by Mr Corbett or someone in his position, would they?A. Through Mr Corbett, that's correct.

Q. But you wouldn't be involved in the day-to-day detailof these issues?A. No.

Q. Mr Broad's going to bring you volume 2. At page 1001,do you have a report from Willis, the Safety ManagementSystem Review. Do you recall this work being done?A. I do.

Q. Were you involved in commissioning it?A. Not the commissioning of it, no; the director wouldhave been the - the director would have been - I would havethought probably the director of people and systems wouldhave been - the group manager would have been involved incommissioning it. I was aware of it.

Q. You were aware of it?A. Yes.

Q. This is a report which became a precursor to thebusiness improvement project of which the safetyimprovement project was a part; is that right?A. Correct.

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Q. As at October 2015, had you been able to return somefocus to the development of the council's systems andpolicies?A. We had.

Q. And, from that point on, were you able to devote moretime to seeing those matters progressed?A. I had more time to ensure, I guess, that our - thatthe strategic outcomes that we'd set - that were set by thecouncil and I was implementing, that they were - that thiswas one, were being progressed, and the directorsthemselves had more time as well. But certainly our - interms of delivering our systems and our processes, we didstart to have more time to concentrate on it and I wouldhave been part of that.

Q. If you turn to page 1013, please, there's asubheading, "Conclusion". I'd just like you to read thatfirst paragraph under the heading, "Conclusion" and let meknow when you've done that, please.A. Yes.

Q. At about halfway down there's a sentence commencing,"In fact, rather than being managed centrally"; do you seethat?A. Yes.

Q. And the report suggests that:

Rather than being managed centrally themanagement of safety has been largely leftto individual departments and branches.

A. Yes.

Q. Was that a conclusion with which you agreed?A. In terms of overarching, it probably is true; yes, Ithink I would agree with it. Obviously, we had a programleader of safety, but I think that a lot of the - he workedwith the directorates, so in that regard I think that is acorrect statement.

Q. Was that a matter that you wanted to see reformed?A. Absolutely.

Q. Was that one of the reasons for the safety improvementproject?

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A. Correct.

Q. A further two lines down of the report there's aconclusion that:

BMCC manages safety in a reactive manner.

Do you see that?A. Yes.

Q. Was that a conclusion with which you agreed?A. In some areas for some things, not for everything, butin some things.

Q. What things do you have in mind as falling within thatcategory?A. Of being reactive?

Q. Mmm-hmm.A. I think it would be about - a lot of it's to do withyour systems, like having the information available. So,if you haven't got information, and you haven't got aprocess, then you're reactive, so we need to develop oursystems and our processes and policies so that it was partof normal business; whether it be through the lead safetyteam or through reports to the executive team. So, if youdon't know what you don't know, well you're not - thenyou're reactive.

So, it really is about improving maturity of systems,processes and, of course, the structure in - with thebusiness improvement and also the introduction of theprogram manager for enterprise risk management forgovernance and risk, so that you're starting to centraliserather than have the important issues of the council andthings that are overarching, you're starting to bring themunder somebody who's got the overview responsibility andthen can report to me. So it's all about that reporting,it's about the structure, maturity of the structure, whichwere the things that we were putting in place at the time,at the time we were improving the safety managementprogram.

Q. That was a matter, do I understand it correctly,addressing the aspects in which the council was reactive,was a focus, in part, of the safety improvement project aswell; is that right?

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A. Correct.

Q. Centralised management of safety would also assist thecouncil in being able to comply with its legislativeobligations; do you agree with that?A. Well, I do, yes.

Q. Was that a matter of concern to you at the time, thatis, we're now in October 2015?A. Was it an issue at that time?

Q. Yes. You indicated that you were - one of theobjectives of the safety improvement project was to bringthe management of safety into a centralised structure?A. Well, the leader - the actual leadership anddevelopment, particularly in terms of developing theprocedures and policy, but that didn't abrogate directorsfrom their responsibilities or people in the field, but thething would be to get a common policy, common procedure,and the common reporting, getting that visibility, but thatdidn't abrogate responsibilities for directors and peoplein the workplace in terms of relating to safety.

And the other issue at that time was, of course, ourvalues; we develop our values and safety, again, was aleading - was one of the key of the five - six key issuesthat were developed up with our values, that the staffdevelop safety, again. So, it was developing the cultureof safety and as much as is the processes as well.

Q. The development of common policy in a centralised wayis an important tool in ensuring compliance withlegislative obligations; do you agree with that?A. It is.

Q. That would extend to an approach to asbestosmanagement within the council; do you agree with that?A. Agree with that.

Q. Page 1471, please. Sorry, before you go there,page 1303, I'm sorry, Mr Greenwood. This is anotherversion of the now Office of Local Government ModelAsbestos Policy For New South Wales Councils in November2015. Do you recall becoming aware of this document?A. Not specifically.

Q. Again, to the extent you became aware of it, was that

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in 2017 as you've described earlier?A. I did become aware of it in 2017, that we were usingthe model as our - that's - I did become aware of it then.Whether I became aware of it or it's made - brought to myattention in 2015, I can't recall.

Q. When you say in 2017 you became aware that the councilwas using the model, do you mean in the development of thepolicies following the first SafeWork notice in May 2017?A. My understanding was that we - we had it on ourwebsite, where we were using that as the document; that'smy understanding.

Q. Prior to May 2017 when SafeWork issued their notice?A. That's my understanding.

Q. Was that, again, through a briefing from someone inparticular?A. Well, it was a briefing at the time when we receivedthe notice.

Q. Who did you have that briefing from?A. Um, I can't recall.

Q. Was there anyone in particular who you receivedregular briefings from in 2017 about this issue?A. Mr Liddell and Mr McKay.

Q. So, was it likely that it was one of those twogentlemen?A. Likely to be one of those.

Q. Turn to page 1471, please.A. I've found the page.

Q. This is a memo from Ms Cooper to the ELT of 26 May2016 concerning the policy control team's risk analysisresults.A. Yes.

Q. In the background, you will see Ms Cooper refers tothe commencement of work of the policy control team, and inthe second paragraph she makes reference to anorganisation-wide audit of policies and their associatedrisk to the association; do you see that?A. Yes.

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Q. Do you recall this work being done?A. I do.

Q. Was it an important part of the process of developingthe council's systems that you've referred to in yourevidence earlier?A. I initiated it.

Q. Why did you initiate it?A. Because it was important.

Q. What did you want to get out of it?A. Well, I wanted to understand where we stood rightacross the board with our policies, and to ensure that theywere consistent and that there was overview from theexecutive team.

Q. Do you recall this report? Not every detail, but doyou recall having received it?A. I did receive it, I remember it, yes.

Q. And it was discussed at the ELT level?A. Correct.

Q. I'm just going to show you a few passages of it. Goto page 1476, please. At the very foot of the page, in thelast line, there's a sentence commencing, "Ultimately"; doyou have that?A. Yes.

Q. Ms Cooper says:

It should be understood that policyownership rests with the GM and theorganisation as a whole for all policies.

A. Yes.

Q. Do you agree with that?A. I do.

Q. When Ms Cooper says "the GM and the organisation as awhole", what do you understand that concept to capture?A. Well, that it's not a - that the policies aren't thedomain of an individual branch or area, that they're thecouncil - that they're for the council and they'recouncil-wide, and everybody should be consistent and

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working under the same policy rather than people doingtheir own thing.

Q. And again, that's tying into your desire to have thesematters centralised; is that right?A. That's right.

Q. If you go down to the foot of page 1477, you will seea heading, "Policy Gaps". Ms Cooper describes how that hasbeen arrived at, and in the second paragraph she refers to:

The PCT having identified the following gapareas as falling into a priority 1 forcategory development.

Do you have that?A. Mmm-hmm, yes.

Q. Then over the page, the bullet points continue, anasbestos policy is one. Just to follow this train through,if you turn ahead to page 1491, this is an attachment whichis in the form of a table headed, "Identified Policy Gapsand Risk Rating as at February 2016." And in that table atpage 1494, asbestos policy is identified as a priority 1with a high upper risk outcome; do you see that?A. Yes.

Q. Do you recall - and of course there are otherpriority 1s and there are other highs but I'm drawingattention to asbestos in the context of this inquiry - doyou recall what was being done following the identificationof these policy gaps, and in particular those with priority1?A. Let me look at the document. Normally where they're apriority 1, that's where all the focus would normally be.

Q. Yes.A. Both in terms of budget and then in terms of gettingthe work done.

Q. Do you recall focus being placed on those matters interms of time and budget?A. Not specifically I don't, not as a separate - I mean,the budget process was a budget - during the budget processmangers, directors, even the next level down, were requiredto bring - from the risk register, to bring their issues tothe budget process for prioritising, and I guess this would

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be - this is a different document, but a similar approach.

Q. Did the content of Ms Cooper's report concern you inany way?A. I wouldn't say concern's the word but, I mean, it wasobviously progressing work that I wanted done so I was verypleased that the work was being done; I wouldn't say Iwas - I don't think "concern" is the right word.

Q. Were you troubled by the overview that she was givingof the council's policy position?A. Well, my view was, you know where you stand, so it's -we'd been getting shocked - when I asked for it and I askedfor the risk management to be carried out and the riskanalysis, when all of these things are done it's often nota pretty sight, so shocked or concerned, and it's really amatter of, I'm pleased that the work's being done and thatwe're starting to get some system and process and somevisibility so that we can actually do something about it.

Q. If you have page 1494 there, part of the table in thebox, "Asbestos Policy", the report is:

There is a state model policy for this butthe council has not adopted a policyposition.

Do you have a recollection of becoming aware of thatas a consequence of Ms Cooper's report?A. Not specifically.

Q. And again, is that a matter that would fall within theC&CO directorate's responsibilities?A. What date have we got?

Q. This is May 2016.A. I'd say that at that time it would probably fall intothe people and systems area. But I think the level - withthe development for governance and risk in that safetyarea, building it up and the safety report, I thinkprobably more likely that the policy would have been done;I would have required it to be done in the people andsystems area.

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Q. (Indistinct - overtalking)?A. That's right, but I think that would of been discrete.I think it's probably Ms Cooper's assessment of where shethought it would go at the time.

MR GLOVER: Q. But you don't recall any particulardiscussion around this policy --A. I can't recall it, I can't recall it; as I sit here Ican't.

Q. Turn to page 1516, this is the charter for the peaksafety steering group from August 2016; do you have that?A. Yes.

Q. Is that a group that you established?A. It is.

Q. Why did you establish it?A. Because, my concern that we weren't at the level weshould be for safety, and my concern for safety andenterprise risk management, and lifting our game in thatarea, given that we'd had it through our values, I'd giventhe commitment, my view was we were very operational andthat we needed to come to a - you know, the contemporarylevel. The gap analysis that we had done by the consultantindicated that - he said we were free of the other issuesthat we'd raised earlier, and I wanted to make sure wewere, you know, as good as we could be in that area.

Q. To pick up on a couple of things that you raised inthat answer. You said that "the council was not where itshould be in respect of safety"; what did you mean by that?A. Well, we had the gap analysis done - I forget who itwas, I don't know whether it was --

Q. Was that the Willis report?A. I think it probably was. So, we were - we'd done alot of things, but we needed to take it to the next level.

Q. If you just have page 1517, you will see the fourthdot point, about where the bullet points commence, and thefifth one down refers to:

Considering submissions from the policycontrol team regarding creation of newpolicy, endorsement of newly created oramended policies, recommending the drafting

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of new policies.

The next point that follows that is:

To oversee the state of policy development.

I just want to try and understand the level ofinvolvement that the PSSG was having in those matters andhow that interacted with other parts of the council.A. The - having - was it - the what?

Q. I just want to understand the content of those dotpoints, how it actually worked in practice.A. With the - through the - you just mentioned the team?

Q. The PSSG, the peak safety steering group?A. How it worked in practice?

Q. Yes.A. Well, obviously there was regular meetings and regularreportings; all the directors were on that group, plus thestaff representatives. So, any new policy developmentwould be - would come up through the peak safety group forapproval.

Q. It had to go through the safety group for approvalbefore continuing on in its process; is that right?A. If it was applicable to that group, yes.

Q. Where would it go after the approval from the safetygroup?A. Well, depended: if it was very operational it may gonowhere else, if it was something more of a workplacedirective advice. If it was a policy, as in an adoptedpolicy that was referred to in Jasmine Cooper's document,it would go to the executive team. Some policies wereoperational, it would stop there; others were for thecouncil and would go to the council.

Q. I just want to explore that distinction with you.When you say "some were operational and stopped at the ELTlevel and some had to go to council", where would safetypolicies sit within that grouping?A. Normally would be operational.

Q. Operational?A. Yes.

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Q. Can you give me an example of a type of policy thatwould have to go to the governing body?A. Yes, the code of conduct.

Q. Turn ahead, please, to page 1661. Do you havepage 1611?A. 1611?

Q. Yes.A. I'm sorry, I thought you said 1661.

Q. Sorry, did I? I'm sorry if I said 1661.

THE COMMISSIONER: Sorry, what's the number again?

MR GLOVER: 1611, I'm sorry.

Q. And there you should have a non-conformance reportdated 2 February 2017 from a Mr Johnston; do you have that?A. I do.

Q. Just scan that document, you don't need to read everyword, but just familiarise yourself with it.A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Have you seen that document before?A. Yes.

Q. When did you see it?A. Last night.

Q. Do you recall having seen it before last night?A. Not specifically.

Q. Do you see there, Mr Johnston raises a number ofissues about the Katoomba South Street Works Depot inrelation to, in particular, the issue of asbestos; do yourecall those issues being brought to your attentionin February 2017?A. I'm aware that I was sent an email with no directionswhere it was attached to, from a director.

Q. The director was Mr --A. Bruhn.

Q. -- Bruhn at the time?

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A. Yes.

Q. Do you recall having any discussion with Mr Bruhnabout the issues raised in this document?A. No, I don't.

Q. Turn to page 1628. There you have another report fromMr Johnston of 3 March 2017. Just take a moment tofamiliarise yourself with it; again, I'm not asking you toread every word.A. Yep.

Q. Have you seen this document before?A. I don't recall it.

Q. You don't recall? You don't recall seeing it in March2017?A. No, I don't.

Q. Do you recall seeing it at any time after March 2017?A. No.

MR GLOVER: Commissioner, is that a convenient time?

THE COMMISSIONER: Yes, it is. We'll have a break now andresume at 11.50.

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THE COMMISSIONER: Are we ready to resume?

MR GLOVER: Q. Mr Greenwood, before the break I wastaking you to page 1628 and the report of 3 March, and yourevidence was that you don't recall having ever seen it.A. Yes.

Q. Are the issues that Mr Johnston raises in it mattersthat you would have expected to have been drawn to yourattention at that time?A. They are. Not by Mr Johnston, but through hisdirector.

Q. Yes. So, if you assume for the purposes of myquestion that Mr Bruhn became aware of this document, youwould have expected him to have drawn it to your attention?A. I would.

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Q. Or any other member of the ELT, if they became awareof it, would you have expected them to raise it with you?A. Yes, I would.

Q. Turn to page 1695, please. This is a letter from theUSU to you of 2 May 2017. Have a scan of that letter andlet me know when you've finished, please.A. Yes.

Q. In it Mr Kelly, your general secretary, raises withyou concerns regarding asbestos at the Springwood Depot; doyou recall those concerns being raised --A. No, I don't.

Q. -- by the union.A. Well, not specifically, no, on 2 May; when was the -when was the SafeWork?

Q. SafeWork came to inspect on 15 May.A. 15 May.

Q. And then the first notice was issued on the 22nd.A. No, I wasn't aware, no.

Q. The union would send you correspondence from time totime, wouldn't they?A. Well, they sent correspondence by the bucket load,yes.

Q. How would that correspondence be dealt with?A. Well, it would normally be - it'd be sent to -normally went through Mr Liddell, and then he would sort oflook at the issues and then he'd - he'd then dish it - it'dthen go to the appropriate, whether he - he'd get itsorted, occasionally he would raise an issue with me.

Q. Where we see letters addressed to you by the union, itmay not have actually come to your attention?A. That's correct.

Q. And it may have been actioned by others?A. That's correct.

Q. Mr Singleton draws my attention to the email addresson the letter; that's a general council inbox, is it?A. Correct.

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Q. That was certainly not being monitored by you, was it?A. No.

Q. Turn to page 1696. These are minutes from the peaksafety steering group of 2 May 2017. I appreciate thatthere was no doubt a pick up in activity in May 2017, so ifyou can't recall the sequence, please say so. If you go topoint (6), there's some documents submitted for review, andthat's part of the process you explained earlier, that theSSG would review safety policy documents from time to time;is that right?A. That's correct.

Q. You will see there, reference is made to asbestosprocedures in (i). Do you recall those documents coming upto the PSSG in early May?A. Well, as I sit here today I don't actually rememberdistinctly, but I'm sure they did.

Q. This is in the period immediately prior to SafeWorkarriving, so if you can't draw a distinct please say so,but do you recall having a concern in early May as to thecouncil's policy position in relation to asbestosmanagement?A. No, I can't.

Q. And you only recall that arising after SafeWork'sintervention; is that right?A. Correct.

Q. If you turn ahead to page 1727, please. Here you'llhave an email, ignoring the one at the very top of thepage, but there's an email from Mr Maddaford of SafeWork toMr McKay of 22 May. You'll see in the first paragraph ofthat email, Mr Maddaford refers to an improvement noticearising from his visit on 15 May 2017. Did you becomeaware of SafeWork's inspection on 15 May 2017?A. I did.

Q. When?A. I don't know if it was that day or the day after, butit was very soon after I became aware.

Q. You received a report from someone?A. Not sure if I received a report or I was - they cameto my office and briefed me. It was certainly very soonafter I became aware.

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Q. If you turn ahead to page 1733, this is part of theinspection report attached to that email. You will see,about halfway down the page, there's a box headed,"Inspection Details"; do you have that?A. Yes, "Inspection Observations".

Q. Yes. If you go down to point (7):

Following my inspection at the SpringwoodDepot I attended the council chambers inKatoomba and met with senior management todiscuss the issues.

Do you recall having a meeting with Mr Maddaford?A. I can recall having a meeting with Mr Maddaford; I'mnot sure that I was at that meeting, but I met with himvery shortly after if I wasn't at that meeting.

Q. Did he describe to you what SafeWork's concerns wereat that time?A. He did.

Q. What did he convey to you?A. My recollection of that meeting was that he wentthrough what was expected of the council. He said that hewould have closed it down except that he felt that theprocedures that we had in place and the actions and theknowledge of the staff in relation to asbestos was suchthat he was very happy with the actions - the immediateactions that we had taken, and that he was confident thatwe would be able to comply with the notice.

Q. In that answer you said he conveyed to you what wasexpected of the council; do you recall what he said in thatrespect?A. Well, the key issues were getting the asbestosregister and getting the sites properly labelled, and toget the asbestos management plan adopted.

Q. I think the effect of your evidence you've given thismorning is, until that time you had understood that thosematters were being managed appropriately; is that right?A. Correct.

Q. And, following that meeting with Mr Maddaford, yourview about that changed?

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A. Correct.

Q. And they were matters of concern to you?A. Very much so.

Q. Did you then make a decision about how the councilwould handle these matters going forward?A. I did.

Q. What was that decision?A. The decision was to send up asbestos - I think it wascalled project team - I pulled in all of the relevantpeople that I felt would contribute to that team, I putthat under the control of people in systems, Mr GrantMcKay. I brought in - I asked him to bring in as manyprofessional experts in the field to assist us to make surethat this was highest priority.

I went to both the depots and addressed the staff atboth the depots at the end of their work period that weekand gave - I advised them that I was disappointed with theposition we were in, and that it was going to be ourhighest priority, that we were going to address theseissues, that the budget would be provided to make sure thatwe did it within the timeframe, that we wanted to be a safeworkplace, it's something that I'd always been, I guess,leading and as part of our values. I also told them thatwe were getting in the proper hygienists and medical stafffor them to talk to, to talk about any concerns they hadand to test all of the staff, which we did.

I then had the asbestos project team report directlyto the executive team and give me almost daily updates onprogress, and I met with Mr Maddaford on a couple ofoccasions following too in regard to the progress againstthe notice and basically kept in contact with him duringthat period.

Q. We'll come to a few of those things in more detailshortly, but following SafeWork's inspection and noticeinto that first meeting with Mr Maddaford, were youconcerned that the information that you'd been given aboutthe council's approach to asbestos management in theintervening years had been inaccurate?A. I was.

Q. Did you take any steps to ensure that, moving forward,

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you were given the best and most accurate informationpossible?A. Um, well, by setting up the project team, andbasically - I was, I guess - everything was reported backto the executive team, so I was taking a hands-on almostapproach to the matter. Normally I wouldn't be taking ahands-on approach to - but I did in this instance.

Q. Did you seek to identify what had gone wrong in theprevious years?A. Um, at that time - not in detail at that time, we werereally addressing the issue that was before us. Certainly,I did make enquiries about, well, what do we have, as myunderstanding was we did have a register, and I was told wedid have a register, but there were - some of theinformation was on the property file, some was on theregister, hadn't been kept up-to-date; certain things hadbeen done, all of the buildings had been inspected, workhad been done, but yeah, they hadn't been labelled.

So, we had attempted to do it, but we hadn't done it -we hadn't done it to the full extent that we should havedone it to comply. So, I did make enquiry as to why wewere in that position, I certainly thought about it later,but I didn't actually do a post-mortem at that particulartime; my emphasis was on making sure that we complied andthat we had a safe workplace.

Q. You said in that answer you thought about it later;sitting here today do you have a view about where thecouncil went wrong in those previous years?A. I think I've covered it really in terms of not havingproper processes, procedures, the structure at the time,the maturity of the organisation when I took it over.Capacity and capability of people is, you know, is an issuein all organisations. The fact that Mr Corbett left theorganisation in 2014, and Mr Cattermole followed him inlate 2014/15, Mr Corbett had health issues, Mr Cattermoletook up another position, so a lack of corporate memory anddrive and knowledge, because then it was left to lowerstaff who probably wouldn't be comfortable in necessarilyreporting up.

So, you know, they're the sorts of things that Ireflected on and, you know, not having - at that time wedidn't have the governance and risk position, we hadn'tmatured to that level. The safety program, as I said, came

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in in 2016, so we were getting to that point but at thattime we weren't that sophisticated, if you like, and I'mnot here to make excuses nor to say we were perfect, weweren't, and I'm not here to say that, but they're the sortof things that I've reflected on.

Q. And you agree, certainly, that council should have hadthese processes and policies in place well beforeSafeWork's inspection on 15 May 2017; correct?A. Correct.

Q. Once SafeWork became involved, did you form a viewabout how the council should respond and deal with SafeWorkgoing forward; that is, what attitude the council shouldtake to its interactions with SafeWork?A. Well, at that particular time, the interaction withSafeWork was through - like, through - I was having regularmeetings with them, so that's where I thought it should - Ithought I should be in touch with them. But Mr Liddell andMr - certainly Mr McKay were dealing with them directly atthat level. So, I guess that's the sort of priority that Iput on it in terms of dealing with them.

I actually did meet with the, I think it was thedirector of SafeWork, to discuss where we were going andour approach, and she'd remembered us from her involvementwith the asbestos with the bushfires and it was, I think,somewhat surprised I think, given the high level and theexpertise we showed in relation to bushfires, that weprobably hadn't been, we weren't up to speed, but waswilling to support us in a very supportive way.

Q. Did you form a view about whether the council shouldbe doing everything it could to respond to the issuesraised by SafeWork?A. It was our highest priority.

Q. Did you give a direction to the ELT about thosematters?A. I did.

Q. What, in particular, did you direct them to about thatissue?A. Well, it was the topic on every executive meeting; youknow, it was a major agenda, it was an agenda item on theexecutive meeting, so it was - we were monitoring progressagainst the notice, so that was the level we were looking

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at it, that was the visibility that it had.

Q. Were you seeking to drive the organisation to respondpromptly to all the issues raised by SafeWork?A. Absolutely.

Q. Was it your priority to have those resolved as quicklyas possible?A. Within the timeframes that we were given, yes.

Q. If you turn ahead to page 1740, please. This is amemo from you dated 29 May 2017; do you have that?A. I do.

Q. In the first paragraph you refer to attending meetingsat the Katoomba and Springwood Depots on 24 May; do youhave that?A. I do.

Q. And they're the meetings that you referred to a shorttime ago?A. That's correct.

Q. Did you call those meetings?A. I did.

Q. And for what purpose?A. So that I could engage with my staff directly; thatwas usually my, I guess part of my style, but just to - youknow, I'd sort of - like, I'd been in the organisation forquite some time, knew a lot of people, so I went there to -genuinely to tell them I was disappointed we were in theposition we were in, and to give them reassurances; Ithought they should get it from me because I thought theissue was that serious, so I initiated that meeting andwas - I made sure that the depot stayed back at the end ofthe day and I addressed them basically off-the-cuff, youknow. I went there because I wanted to address them as theleader of the organisation.

Q. Did the staff provide you with feedback in thatmeeting?A. They did, at the meeting, yes.

Q. Do you recall any of the issues they raised?A. "Do I recall any of the issues they raised?" Therewas an issue with a truck. There was an issue with a truck

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that had been, only just recently, that it had --

Q. When you say "a truck", they were giving you anexample of asbestos management --A. They gave me an example of where a truck had beenbrought back in and it hadn't been secured.

Q. Did they raise any concerns with you about thecouncil's approach to asbestos management generally thatyou recall?A. Well, it wasn't really - not - I can't recall ingeneral. They were, certainly there was concerns - some ofthem raised concerns obviously about, you know, wanting to,like, get health checks was raised. In terms of raising itgenerally, I don't think it was raised in that - I can'trecall it being raised as a specific issue, like, lookingat it generally, there was more questions from individualsjust with some concerns. I just fielded some of thosequestions.

Q. As a result of that meeting did you get a sense thatthe depot staff were concerned about the issue of asbestosmanagement in their workplace?A. I did.

Q. Did you do anything to seek to address those concerns?A. Um, well, I - that was the purpose of going there.

Q. Following the meeting?A. Following the meeting, then there was - obviouslythere was the memo, but there was regular communicationthrough the team brief, and updates through the teambriefs, and directors were required to engage with theirstaff in terms of where we're up to.

Q. And offering health monitoring is something you raisedas being discussed at the meeting.A. I did.

Q. Was that a significant issue from your point of view?A. It was.

Q. Did you take steps to make that available to staff?A. We did.

Q. Were steps taken to encourage staff to take it upshould they wish to do so?

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A. They were.

Q. Did you have reports back as to the success of thatprocess?A. Yes.

Q. What information were you getting about that?A. Oh, we were getting, in terms of numbers that weregoing through, or in relation to the numbers of people thatwere going through, and I think some of the feedback wasthat people were getting some more general healthinformation as much as they were getting asbestosinformation, but yeah, the feedback was very positive fromstaff. I actually went through it myself, I was there withstaff.

Q. Were issues raised at that meeting about the level ofcommunication being given to staff about asbestosmanagement issues, do you recall?A. No, I don't recall that.

Q. Do you recall being requested to send an all staffemail to let staff know that asbestos had been found invarious locations and directing people to ensure it wassafe to carry out work on any council --A. Yeah, I do remember that.

Q. And, did you do that?A. I did.

Q. In the form of an all staff email?A. No.

Q. Was it this memo?A. This memo and the team brief.

Q. This memo was directed to service delivery managersand supervisors, manager environmental sustainability.A. Yep.

Q. Do I take it from that, it was your expectation thatthose people would pass that information onto their teams?A. I think it's in - I think the memo sort of says thatthat's what they should do.

Q. Do you recall the people who were in those positionsat the time?

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A. I can recall some of them, yes.

Q. Who?A. Service delivery managers? Well, you've got Mr Hahn,Mr Phillips, Mr Bruhn, Kirrilly Twomey.

Q. And is there a reason why you elected to do it in thisform rather than an all staff email?A. Yes, there was.

Q. What was the reason?A. Operations staff don't get emails and don'tnecessarily read them.

Q. And from that, do I take it that you were keen to haveyour managers go out and deliver the message to everyperson to ensure it was widespread?A. Correct.

Q. Do you recall being asked in that meeting to takesteps to prevent staff from working on any councilbuildings?A. No, not specifically.

Q. Do you recall whether it was suggested to you in thatmeeting that you weren't being provided with sufficientinformation on the council's approach to asbestosmanagement?A. No, I don't. I was at a subsequent meeting.

Q. You were at a subsequent meeting?A. At a subsequent meeting with Mr Johnston.

Q. On that page, 1740, in the third paragraph down,commencing, "You will also be aware", do you have that?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. On the third line there's a sentence commencing,"Although the inspector was complimentary of our actions",et cetera. You've touched on this in your earlierevidence, but was that Mr Maddaford?A. It was Mr Maddaford.

Q. And when you say "complimentary of your actions", yougave some general descriptions earlier, but take us throughwhat he said?A. Well, he was complimentary of the staff that the staff

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knew what to do and they'd done the appropriate - as soonas it was discovered they'd taken appropriate action, andhe'd looked at what - I think he'd look at some of our - Ithink he'd even looked at some of the registers. So, hewas happy that the staff were aware of what they should doand they took appropriate action; he said, if that hadn'thappened, then he may have taken other action.

Q. In an earlier answer you indicated you expected themanagers to deliver this message; did you ever have adiscussion with them about that issue, that is, get thismessage out to your teams?A. Did I talked to my?

Q. Did you talk to managers in service delivery about theimportance of getting this message out to their teams?A. I'm not sure whether I did or Mr Liddell did. One ofus did.

Q. I'm going to show you a memo dated 30 May.

THE COMMISSIONER: Is this already in evidence?

MR GLOVER: It is, it was tendered on Monday.

THE COMMISSIONER: What's the date?

MR GLOVER: 30 May to Mr Greenwood.

THE COMMISSIONER: To?

MR GLOVER: It's a memo to Mr Greenwood dated 30 May. Itlooks like this, Commissioner.

THE COMMISSIONER: Part of Exhibit what, 82?

MR GLOVER: Part of Exhibit 82.

MR SINGLETON: It's the one with the photograph in.

THE COMMISSIONER: Got it, thanks.

MR GLOVER: Q. Do you recall receiving this?A. I do.

Q. Does this prompt the meeting you referred to a momentago with Mr Johnston?

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A. It is.

Q. Just have a look, scan the document if you need to torefresh your memory if you haven't seen it recently.A. I've read it, I've got the gist.

Q. You recall receiving it at the time?A. Yes.

Q. Were the issues raised by Mr Johnston matters ofconcern to you?A. They were.

Q. You had a meeting with him shortly thereafter?A. I had a meeting when he presented this to me.

Q. Oh, he presented this in the meeting, did he?A. He spoke to it at the meeting.

Q. Was there anyone else at the meeting?A. There was.

Q. Who were they?A. Mr Liddell, Ms Dillon and the union representative.

Q. Do you recall that meeting sitting here today?A. I do recall it.

Q. Mr Johnston went through his memo, did he?A. Not really.

Q. Not really, what did he --A. He spoke, he used his own words.

Q. I see.A. He had really, I suppose, two main things: one wasthat I hadn't been given full information from staff; thathe was concerned that people were - he was concerned forthe health of people, and he was concerned that, becausehe'd raised the issue, that he might lose his job.

Q. Mr Johnston's concerns were genuinely held in yourview?A. Well, not in losing his job, no.

Q. Sorry. When Mr Johnston was expressing his concerns,he was genuine in doing so, he was genuinely concerned

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about these issues?A. Yes, yes.

Q. The first issue he raised was not getting the correctinformation?A. Yes.

Q. And that was a view that you'd come to yourself bythis time, that is, the end of May 2017; correct?A. Yes.

Q. The second issue he raised was the health of workers?A. Yes.

Q. And that was an issue about which you were alsoconcerned at that time?A. Yes.

Q. The third issue he raised was, he was fearful for hisjob because of raising those issues?A. Yes.

Q. Did he tell you why?A. Well, he did - he did tell me why.

Q. What did he say?A. Well, he said that he'd - from memory, he said thathe'd run into Rebecca Rafter who had left the organisationand that she told him to watch his back for raising theissues that - you know, he needed to be very - he needed tobe careful. I think she indicated to Mr Bruhn that she -she sort of came to that conclusion through a discussionwith Mr Bruhn.

Q. Did you say anything to Mr Johnston about thoseconcerns?A. Well, I did - well, I told him - firstly, I told himthat, for raising health and safety issues there was noway, he wouldn't be sacked, he was guaranteed, it's just -it's not my - you know, he knew that would be correct. Hesaid, "Well, I just wanted to hear it from you." Then Iraised the issue, "Did you want us to follow up now you'veraised it?" He said, "No", he said, "You know, I've onlyheard it secondhand, it wasn't said to me. I don't want toget in trouble, I just want your assurances that we'regoing to look at the safety issues in relation to asbestosand that, because I've raised the issue, that I'm not going

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to be - my job is not in jeopardy", which he was givenassurances on both of those things.

Q. If you have the memo there, I'll get you to turn topage 8 of the document. There's a heading, "Evidence of aCover-up Culture". Do you see that?A. I do.

Q. Take time to read what's under that paragraph if youneed.A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Was this an issue that Mr Johnston spoke to in thatmeeting?A. I can't recall that issue, no.

Q. Do you recall becoming concerned at the suggestionthat the council was engaged - or had a cover-up cultureabout asbestos?A. I would be concerned.

Q. Did you take any steps at the time to ascertainwhether that was in fact what was happening?A. No, not - no, because he - at that particular time hedidn't want any further action taken in relation to thisdocument. The document was, I think, was given toMr Liddell, and Mr Liddell was then going to follow upwith - was then going to follow up with Mr Johnston, butfrom just my discussions with him at that meeting, no, Ididn't.

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MR GLOVER: Q. All right, I'm going to have Mr Broadbring you Exhibit 59.A. Finished with that one, are we? Oh, okay.

Q. You can close the big bundle for the moment, I'm just

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going to take you to Exhibit 59, which is an agenda for31 May 2017 at 7am; do you have that?A. I do.

Q. That's a meeting between you and Councillor Greenhill.You gave some evidence about this in September last year,so I'm not going to go through all those materials again;it starts at page 659 of the transcript. In your evidencein September you said you have a recollection of thismeeting?A. What page are we on now?

Q. Still Exhibit 59, page 1, the agenda document for31 May.A. Yes.

Q. You may recall having been asked some questions aboutthis the last time you were here?A. Correct.

Q. Your evidence last time was that you had arecollection of this meeting?A. Correct.

Q. Just in general, you will see item 10, there's ahandwritten note, "Asbestos"?A. Yes.

Q. Is that your handwriting?A. It is.

Q. Where we see lines through items, are they yourmarkings?A. They are.

Q. What do they indicate?A. They indicate that I've discussed it with the Mayor atthe meeting, finished it.

Q. Do you have recollection today about what youdiscussed about asbestos at that meeting?A. I briefed the Mayor on the - on the SafeWork audit anddiscussed with him briefing the councillors at the nextavailable briefing session.

Q. Did you convey to the Mayor your own views about thecouncil's position in relation to asbestos management as at

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31 May?A. I did.

Q. What did you tell him?A. I told him that, through that order, we were awarethat we hadn't been in compliance and that everything wasgoing to be done possible to make sure that we were incompliance, and I told - probably - I may well have gonethrough my address - the fact that I'd been out to see thestaff.

Q. Did you convey to him that it wasn't until SafeWorkhad intervened through their notice that these matters weredrawn to your attention at least?A. I can't recall whether I said that or not.

Q. Just keep that there with you, you may need to comeback to it, but just put it to one side because I'm goingto take you back to the big bundle that you have. Put thatsmall folder to one side, thank you. If you turn topage 1741, please. There you should have an immediateactions report from Centium; do you see that?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Do you recall Centium being engaged?A. I do.

Q. Was that something that you directed?A. Well, I - I directed that we get experts on board toassist us, and that was the - Centium was the company thatwas ...

Q. Do you recall this immediate actions report?A. I do.

Q. Were you briefed on it?A. Yes.

Q. Who briefed you on it?A. I think Centium briefed us.

Q. At this stage, who was managing the day-to-day issue;that is, briefing Centium, progressing the --A. Mr McKay.

Q. I think you said earlier you were having almost dailydiscussions with him about the issues; is that right?

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A. Well, his director.

Q. Who's Mr Liddell?A. That's correct.

Q. Were you aware of what steps were taken following thereceipt of this report?A. Well, the - I was aware that there was - I rememberpart of the project team and somebody from, I guessCentium, another consultant was going around to each of theindividual sites and verifying status.

Q. And when you say "the individual sites", are they theones that are in the table at 1754?A. Correct, yes.

Q. Was it reported to you at any stage that, at a numberof the sites that had been recorded in that table, the workidentified by Centium had in fact been done at some earlierstage?A. It had.

Q. Were there some where work was outstanding?A. There were.

Q. Was it reported to you what was being done about thosesites?A. It was.

Q. What were you being told about that?A. That - well, that the work was being carried out tomake them comply.

Q. Did you give any direction about whether that shouldbe attended to on an urgent basis?A. Yes.

Q. Who did you give that direction - or did you give thatdirection?A. I did.

Q. To who?A. Well, to Liddell and to Mr McKay.

Q. To your observation, was that direction followed?A. Yes.

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Q. In your answer a moment ago, dealing with the meetingwith the Mayor on 31 May, you made mention to taking stepsto provide a briefing to the councillors on the nextoccasion; do you remember that?A. I do.

Q. Do you recall that there was such a briefing thefollowing week, on 6 June 2017?A. I remember the briefing, I don't remember the date.

Q. Mr Broad will show you Exhibit 70. Do you have thereon the first page of that document a councillor briefingsession agenda for 6 June 2017?A. I do.

Q. Sitting here today, do you have a recollection of thatbriefing session?A. I do.

Q. And you'll see the third item down is, "Asbestosmanagement".A. Yes.

Q. Then the heading and then there's something describedas a purpose; do you see that?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. You gave some evidence about this also on10 September, commencing at about page 660 in thetranscript. Your evidence last time was that the heading"Asbestos Management" was not limited to the itemidentified in the purpose; is that right?A. It wasn't that item.

Q. It wasn't that item?A. It wasn't that item at all.

Q. I see. So, what do you recall being the briefingabout asbestos management issues?A. The briefing about asbestos management was to bring tothe council's attention the fact that we'd received theSafeWork improvement notice, to advise them of the terms ofthe notice, and that it was serious, and to advise thecouncil on what steps I had taken as a result of gettingthat notice.

Q. Do you have a recollection, sitting here today -

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they're the topics you spoke to - but do you have arecollection of the substance of what you conveyed in doingso?A. Just that, what I said to you then.

Q. Did you convey to the governing body at that briefingwhere the council had failed to comply with its obligationsin previous years?A. I'm sure I would have.

Q. Do you recall whether there was any questions beingposed to you by the governing body about those matters?A. No.

Q. No, you don't recall or?A. No, there wasn't.

Q. There were no questions?A. No. Not from my recollection.

Q. Do you recall who was there from the governing body?A. No.

Q. If you don't, just say so.A. No, not today; no, no, I don't. Well, the only thingI'd say is that our briefing sessions were very wellattended. It was rare for councillors not to go, toattend.

Q. Bear with me just a moment. We're finished with thatdocument, but you'll need that folder again in a moment.On 8 June you announced the establishment of an asbestosmanagement project team; do you recall doing that?A. I do.

Q. We'll just find you the email that you sent to staffannouncing that, but that was your initiative, was it?A. Correct.

Q. Why did you do that?A. Well, because it was, obviously a high priority; weneeded a team to action it, we needed the right people onthe team to action it, but you know, it just had to bedriven and that, and we needed the people - we had to drawthe people from the organisation to ensure that we coulddeliver on time.

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Q. Were you involved in selecting the people who would bepart of that team?A. The executive team was, yes.

Q. What was the process adopted to select those people?A. Well, we looked at the skill levels and their area,where they worked, and capacity at the time. But there wasreally - get people that could add value and related to theissue.

Q. Was that part of your desire for the management ofthese issues to become more centralised?A. Well, more centralised - not - more centralised atthat point in time for that issue, rather than ongoing.

Q. I'm going to show you the email of 8 June which hasbeen separately marked recently; I'll find theexhibit number. You see there, that's an email from you toall staff of 8 June; do you have that?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. You'll have to bear with me, Mr Greenwood, I've givenyou the copy I have. In that email, about halfway down,you make reference to the ELT and that you were sponsoringthe project, or words to that effect; do you see that?Exhibit 95, I'm told.A. Whereabouts is it?

Q. It's about two-thirds of the way down, after the listof names. I'm grateful to my friend. There's a paragraph,four from the bottom, "I thank the project team members".A. Yes.

Q. Then the next sentence:

The progress of the project team will bereported weekly to the executive leadershipteam and I will personally sponsor theproject.

A. Yes.

Q. Was there a matter of significance in you personallysponsoring the project?A. Absolutely. I mean, my job - this is a very serious -I treated it as a very serious issue, it was very seriousto the reputation of the council, the brand of the council,

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the safety of the people in the council, two of the issuesthat I really, I guess, you know, were very high prioritiesof mine at the time I started in the job: one obviously wasthe safety of the staff and the other was to improve thebrand and the reputation of the council, which is somethingthat I think we did achieve, and so - this was really aserious issue for the council and its reputation and forthe safety of our staff, and I saw it that, you know, itwas up there probably with the bushfires in terms of meneeding that overview and visibility and making sure it wasdone.

Q. And you set it up in a way that the team reportedweekly to the ELT?A. That's correct.

Q. Was there any particular reason why you adopted thatstructure?A. Well, there was obviously, so that the executive teamknew what progress was being - was occurring and if therewas any needs, if there was anything that had to be done interms of messaging, in terms of resourcing, in terms ofwhat anyone had to do, and it's the job of the executiveteam to overview these serious issues of management of theorganisation, take responsibility.

Q. And - I'm sorry, are you finished?A. Yes.

Q. In an answer earlier you mentioned rebuilding thebrand and reputation of the council in this area; do I havethat right?A. Generally.

Q. What do you have in mind when raising that?A. Well, I think that - well, what do I have in mind?Well, there's obviously the community - there's workersafety here, but there's also community safety, andasbestos, you know, is an important legacy issue - healthissue that the community's been left with, so I think thatthe community would want to know that we are managing ourbuildings, and our public buildings where there's asbestosin a professional way. I mean, to not get on top of thisissue, I think, would seriously impact the reputation ofthe council.

Q. As part of that, do you have in mind restoring

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confidence in the council's management of these issues?A. Absolutely.

Q. Both in staff and the community?A. And the councillors.

Q. Mr Broad's going to take away some volumes and leaveyou with the general chronological bundle to give you somespace. If you turn to page 1775, there you will have anemail from you to Mr Long of 8 June 2017, so later thatsame day. This is concerning a directive to ceaseintrusive works on buildings and facilities; do you havethat?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Do you recall that directive being issued?A. No, not specifically, but I'll - read it, I might.

Q. For the purposes of my question, Mr Greenwood, you canassume it was because I'm going to direct your attention toa slightly different issue. In this email to Mr Long yourefer to the project team having been established. In thenext paragraph you say:

I want all decision making centralised withconsistent decision making with allapprovals and terms recorded.

Do you see that?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Do you recall that issue?A. Um, I vaguely do, I vaguely do.

Q. Do you recall what you had in mind when expressing adesire to have at this time all decision makingcentralised?A. So that people weren't making ad hoc decisions aboutasbestos, so we were actually one - it was one organisationmaking one decision.

MR GLOVER: Commissioner, we're going to go to a slightlydifferent topic.

THE COMMISSIONER: We'll adjourn and resume at 2pm.

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THE COMMISSIONER: All right, are you ready to resume?

MR GLOVER: Yes, thank you, Commissioner.

Q. Mr Greenwood, you should have the big bundle there,would you mind turning to page 1800, please. There youshould have a document headed, "Asbestos Management ProjectTeam brief, 4 July 2017"; do you have that?A. Yes.

Q. If you just flick back to page 1799, just so you canidentify the document; it's an email from Mr McKay toMs Kolar identifying it as "being the notes used by Stuartand I to brief the council last night"; do you see that?A. Yes.

Q. If you go back to page 1800, and Mr Broad brought toyou another folder which comprises Exhibit 70. If you justpick up that folder to your right there and stay onpage 1800 in the big one and, if you have Exhibit 70 openyou will see, I hope, an agenda, a councillor briefingsession of 4 July 2017?A. Of 6 July?

Q. 4 July.A. The briefing session, agenda 6 - oh, sorry, anotherone?

Q. That's okay.A. Yep, I've got it.

Q. If you go down to the last item in that agenda, isheaded, "Asbestos Management Plan".A. Yes.

Q. Do you have a recollection of this briefing?A. I do.

Q. If you have a look at page 1800, just scan thatdocument and let me know when you've done that.A. Yes.

Q. Do you recall that the items listed on page 1800, overto 1801, were the subject of that briefing on 4 July?A. Yeah.

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Q. Look at the last point on page 1800:

The AMP too has established an excellentworking relationship with ...

It says "WS New South Wales", but we understand thatto be SafeWork. Was that something that you were aware ofat that time?A. Well, yeah, we met regularly with, I think it wasMr Maddaford; he was - you know, we had a very good workingrelationship, he was very, I guess, professional and hewas - he would - he was - you could obviously bounce thingsoff him and liaise with him generally on how we wereprogressing. Yeah, it was a good working relationship,I believe.

Q. The last dot point on page 1801 - in fact, the firstpoint on 1801, there's a reference to a dedicated intranetsection, project newsletter and timely updates.A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Then the distribution of CAR extracts; do youunderstand that to be corporate asbestos register? Doesthat accord with your recollection?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Then the last dot point is:

This will raise the profile of council'sasbestos management arrangements among thecommunity.

Do you see that?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. You've touched on this earlier in your evidence, butwas that an important matter from your perspective?A. Yes, it was.

Q. And for the reasons of restoring trust and reputationthat we've spoken about earlier?A. Yes.

Q. Do you recall whether there was anything else whichwas the subject of that briefing on that day?A. Oh, I can't recall now.

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Q. Do you recall whether there were issues raised by thegoverning body in relation to that issue?A. Well, it's an interactive session, but I can't recallspecific issues.

Q. You can put that smaller folder away, you won't needthat again, Mr Broad will come and take it from you. Inthe larger bundle, if you turn to page 1842, please. Thisis a memo from you to Mr McKay of 10 July 2017. Do youhave that?A. Yes.

Q. Do you recall that an extension was sought in relationto the SafeWork notice of 22 May, that is, the time forcompliance was extended; do you recall that?A. I do.

Q. Did you have discussions with SafeWork about extendingthe time of the compliance with that notice?A. I did.

Q. What discussions did you have with them about that?A. Well, it was actually their suggestion that we applyfor it. We were making - they were aware of the progressthat we'd made, they also were in - you know, were liaisingwith the consultant that we had that was working with us.They were very pleased with the progress that was beingmade and they thought that it was probably going to end upas one of the better management plans they'd seen, but theythought that by giving us that extra time it would - ratherthan just get it - meet the timeline, it would be better tomake sure the document was as good as it could be, and theysaid that they'd done this previously and they encouragedus to apply.

Q. And you engaged in a dialogue with them about thelength of extension?A. Yes.

Q. And ultimately that was agreed between the council andSafeWork; that's correct?A. That's correct.

Q. If you have a look at the next page, 1843, that'sanother memo from Mr McKay to you of 10 July, so that sameday, headed, "Progress on the Asbestos Management PlanImmediate Actions Report", do you see that?

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A. M'mm.

Q. Just have a scan of that memo.A. Yes.

Q. Receiving a memorandum like this from Mr McKay was amethod of him briefing you on progress; is that right?A. Yes.

Q. The matters that he refers to here, being directed tothe immediate actions report, were you involved in thembeing completed, or you relied on Mr McKay to give you abriefing as to what had been done?A. I can't recall now. I mean, that was an issue, the -we were updated regularly on that at the executive meeting,so I think it would have been through the executive meetingthat we would be keeping an eye on what's being done.

Q. And by this stage it was being managed by the teambeing headed by Mr McKay; is that right?A. That's right.

Q. If you have 1844, you will see a heading:

Survey to identify ACM at all BMCCbuildings/facilities.

Do you have that?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Then there's a note:

This will be an ongoing task that extendsbeyond the life of the project team.

Was it always in your contemplation that the projectteam would have a limited life-span?A. That's correct.

Q. And, why was that?A. Well, that was to make sure that - that was to get theactual, the job done, and then I think after that we thenlooked at having all of the policies and processes inplace. A lot of the work would then go back to the teamsresponsible, because in that - in the plan theaccountabilities were all assigned in the plan, and then Ithink we were going to look at what we would do in terms of

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whether or not there was another way of - whether we'd lookat another central team or whether we'd retain - we'd allowit to go into the directorates on the basis that the -Mr McKay, through his team, would then have an overview and(indistinct) hopefully to get it as part of business asusual.

Q. If you turn ahead to page 1873, this is an email senton your behalf on 7 August 2017; do you have that?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. In the first paragraph you state:

The asbestos management project team willtransition to a working group arrangementfrom today.

Do you recall this?A. Yes.

Q. When it says "transition to a working grouparrangement", what was the working group arrangement?A. Um, I'll read the rest of the email. I think, frommemory, that what the working group - it was Mr McKay andone other, and I think the idea of that was that they wouldpool the team together if and when needed, so they'd goback to their normal position, and in developing theasbestos management plan and any other issues, then he'djust call them back together.

Q. So your recollection was, there was no longer a needfor that full-time team?A. No.

Q. They could go back to their substantive roles and becalled on as required; is that your recollection?A. That's correct. Remembering that, at this point intime we have Mr McKay, and obviously we have our programleader safety, so there's a team that would have anoverview; earlier on we didn't have Mr McKay's position, soit would have gone back and then no overview.

Q. Mr Broad will bring you volume 3. Close that one upand we'll substitute it for another one. Page 1901,please, Mr Greenwood. These are some minutes from the peaksafety steering group of 21 September 2017; do you havethat?

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A. Yep.

Q. You will see item 3, "Asbestos Project Update"?A. Yes.

Q. These are matters that were being regularly reportedto that group throughout this period; is that correct?A. That's correct.

Q. You will see the first item is that:

Mr McKay provides an update about theproject and the delivery of the plan ...

Et cetera. Then the second item is:

Rhett [being Mr Hahn] asked a questionabout expenditure of asbestos going forwardand whether any thought had been given tohow this would be handled.

And the report is that:

... have been advised that this had beendiscussion within the working group andfuture requirements would need to bedetermined by ELT.

Do you have a recollection about funding or resourcingin relation to asbestos management going forward at aboutthis time?A. At about that time we would have been - we would havebeen working on our budget. The budget process going backquite a while was for all directors, all managers, programleaders, and even probably a level below, to go throughtheir risk register - to also look at their own areas andidentify their high risks, and then they were to bringthose risks - and that went through to, I think, thegovernance and risk steering group, and then they wouldbring those matters to the budget process. So, apart fromfunding asbestos, it would be that - you know, the relevantdirectors would work their budget up: they'd look at therisk, the risk profiles, and then they would put in theirbudget for the work that they had to do.

Q. Do you recall in September 2017 which area would beprimarily looking at funding for asbestos management going

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forward?A. Well, it's probably - there'd be probably - there'stwo directorates: City Services and C&CO.

Q. Why would C&CO be looking at that from a budgetingperspective?A. From a budgeting perspective? Ah, well, they'd belooking - because any of the - they would - they'd sort ofbe carrying the, I guess, the responsibility for the asset,they own the asset.

Q. And they would be looking at works done to maintainassets containing ACM or removal and those sorts of things;is that right?A. That's correct.

Q. What about City Services you mentioned, why would theybe budgeting for this?A. Well, City Services, they would be looking at theirbudget in relation to the actual physical work that they doon buildings. They'd be looking at training their staff,so I guess they're the main issues that they would have.

Q. This was being discussed in September 2017 accordingto this minute. Do you recall whether, in previous years,there was specific budgeting done for the maintenance orremoval of asbestos within council assets?A. There were budgets, yes.

Q. Did that budget have specific budget items for thattask, do you remember?A. I think they were special - I think they were one-offthat related to engaging the consultants and doing work ata specific time, so I'm not sure that - I'm not surewhether or not they were included in the budget or whetherthey were a claim that was made when the projects werebeing formulated; I can't recall that.

Q. So you have in mind a specific issue at a particularlocation requiring steps to be taken; is that what you'rereferring to?A. Well, I'm referring more to the - when we did theaudits, and then when we did work as a result of theaudits, so that was all the budgets for that.

Q. What about as a general matter, that is, a generalupkeep of council assets, do you recall discussion being

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given to the maintenance of assets containing ACM?A. What time?

Q. Any time from 2012 onwards?A. Um, no, I can't remember specific issues; but, I mean,it did come up from time to time.

Q. Turn to page 2110, please. There you have a memo fromMr McKay to the ELT of 11 October; do you have that?A. Yes.

Q. This is concerning the adoption of the asbestosmanagement policy and asbestos management plan. Do yourecall that process?A. I do.

Q. You will see there, there's a presenter beingidentified as Mr Westwood from Centium; see that?A. Yes.

Q. Do you recall him presenting to the ELT?A. No, not specifically.

Q. I think you said in answer to an earlier question,that you had briefings from him or, from time to time?A. Yeah, from time to time. I don't recall whether - Idon't recall whether he was at this particular meeting; Ican't recall now.

Q. Page 2232, please. This is a letter from the USU toyou dated 23 October, this one was emailed direct to you,attaching a document containing 166 individual points; doyou have that?A. Yes.

Q. Do you remember this letter?A. I do.

Q. Were you involved in responding to it?A. I think that I delegated that task to Mr Liddell.

Q. Was it a matter that was finalised before yourretirement, do you recall?A. Um, I don't think so. We - I - I met with the union.

Q. About these issues?A. Well, about this and a flood of emails that came in at

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the time.

Q. When you met with the union, you discussed thecouncil's approach to asbestos management, did you?A. We did.

Q. What sort of issues did they raise with you?A. Well, I can't recall the - specifically all of theissues that were raised; they had so many emails. What wewent through was our approach to what we were doing, whichthey were very satisfied with and supported us with. Andalso, we sort of negotiated a time to respond, becausethey'd sent so many at once, so it was really aboutbringing them up to speed on what we had done, which theywere happy with, and then just to look at a timeline forresponding, because a lot of the things were doubling up,creating a lot of work, it wasn't productive, that we'd tryand bring it all together and try and respond, you know, inone go if we could, or a couple of goes, rather than justresponding to every letter they sent in.

Q. Were you able to agree a process with the union aboutthat?A. We did.

Q. Did you regard responding to the union's concerns tobe a matter of importance?A. Yeah, definitely.

Q. Why?A. They represented the workforce. We had a goodrelationship with the union. In my time we had - I don'tthink we had any disputes or any - you know, there wasnever any stop work, you know, we had a very good workingrelationship with the union. We had a very good workingrelationship with the union on the asbestos matter andtheir delegate up until the letters coming in on23 October. We kept them informed on what was happeningwith SafeWork, and I think they even came to one of themeetings, so relationships with the union representing thestaff, the staff's health and safety was fully supported,so it was important.

Q. You can close that bundle up now, Mr Greenwood. Doyou recall ever having a discussion concerning the use ofasbestos signage, that is, in the period after May 2017until you retired in the November, were you involved in

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discussions concerning which signage should be used toalert people about the potential presence of asbestos?A. No.

Q. Ever have a discussion with anybody about asbestossignage used at a site in Lawson?A. No.

Q. Did you ever ask Mr McKay to have asbestos signageremoved from any site within council's --A. No.

Q. Did the Mayor ever express to you any dissatisfactionabout the use of asbestos signage?A. No.

Q. Did you ever become aware of a suggestion that theMayor might have raised such an issue directly withMr McKay?A. No.

Q. Did you ever say words to Mr McKay along the lines of,"Get the bloody signage fixed" in relation to asbestossignage?A. No.

Q. Did you ever tell anyone that the Mayor was breathingdown your neck about those matters?A. No.

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. Was he?A. No.

MR GLOVER: Q. Ever ask Mr Adams to change any asbestossignage?A. No.

Q. Did you ever direct anybody at all within council toremove or change asbestos signage?A. No.

THE COMMISSIONER: Is this new? Is this in evidencealready?

MR GLOVER: It is not.

Q. Mr Greenwood, this is a printout from the council's

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website. I want to direct you to the heading, "Council'sOngoing Asbestos Management", two-thirds down the firstpage; do you see that?

THE COMMISSIONER: Sorry, is this the website as it existsright now?

MR GLOVER: You will see, Commissioner, at the top of thepage, 18 --

THE COMMISSIONER: I see the date. That's not the printdate?

MR GLOVER: Yes, that is the print date.

THE COMMISSIONER: It is the website as at 18 March 2020,thank you.

MR GLOVER: As at now, yes.

Q. You have that heading, and then there's a line:

The council has recently faced verysignificant challenges in relation to itsmanagement ...

Et cetera, do you see that?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Then the next paragraph:

The council acknowledges that there havebeen organisational failures in relation tothose matters.

Do you see that?A. Yeah.

Q. And you'd agree with that?A. I would.

Q. In your own words --A. When, I mean, when's this - when's it produced?

Q. Well, this is as is currently appearing on thecouncil's website.A. Yes, I'd agree with that.

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Q. You would agree that there have been organisationalfailures in relation to the council's asbestos managementin the period 2012 up until at least May 2017; do you agreewith that?A. I do.

Q. In your own words, can you describe what you considerthose organisational failures to be?A. Um, obviously a failure to - a failure to comply withthe Act in terms of the asbestos management plan, havingthe appropriate asbestos management plan. In terms ofinspecting all the buildings and getting all of thebuildings labelled, um, there was - obviously that wasn'tdone in a timely manner. So, there's two items that wedefinitely failed on.

Q. What about communication about asbestos managementissues to staff?A. Ah, well, you see, I can't remember all of the thingsthat did happen. Without having the benefit of council'srecords and the books I can't remember all that. I know wedid training. I know there was communication, and I don'tknow what the directors did, so - but, yeah, not everybodyin the organisation was aware, so I mean, probably a matterof the record really.

Q. One of the failures you've identified today would bethe reporting up of accurate information to you in thatperiod; correct?A. That's correct.

Q. And that's a significant failing, wasn't it?A. That's correct.

MR GLOVER: I tender that printout.

THE COMMISSIONER: Document from the council's websiteheaded, "Asbestos Management" is Exhibit 105, thank you.

#EXHIBIT 105 - DOCUMENT FROM THE COUNCIL'S WEBSITE HEADED,"ASBESTOS MANAGEMENT".

MR GLOVER: Thank you, Commissioner, that's all I have forMr Greenwood.

THE COMMISSIONER: Yes, thank you. Mr Ryan, do you have

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any questions for Mr Greenwood?

MR RYAN: I do.

<EXAMINATION BY MR RYAN:

MR RYAN: Q. If I could just begin. Mr Greenwood, I'mrepresenting Councillor Brown. I wonder if I could begin,Commissioner, by going to the bundle that Councillor Brownprovided with her statement and if Mr Greenwood could beshown that.

THE COMMISSIONER: Can you just make sure that I've gotthe right bundle.

MR RYAN: I didn't provide it in a folder like that.

THE COMMISSIONER: No, no, but it's --

MR RYAN: It would be similar like that. I'll give youthe title.

THE COMMISSIONER: Nearly 300 pages. I'll get Mr Broad toshow me.

MR RYAN: The main bundle is 577 pages.

MR GLOVER: Perhaps if you could identify it by referenceto which statement it is. Is it the bundle accompanyingthe statement of 18 February 2020?

MR RYAN: It's the statement of 18 February 2020, and it'sCouncillor Brown's statement and not the submission made onher behalf.

THE COMMISSIONER: I have got a Councillor Brown - well,that's code of conduct submission; that's somethingdifferent, is it?

MR RYAN: Yeah, that's something different.

THE COMMISSIONER: Mr Glover, when was this emailed to us?

MR RYAN: Yes, this has got the statement at the front.

MR GLOVER: 19 February, I suspect. I have anelectronic --

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THE COMMISSIONER: Yeah, what I need you to do is, I'vegot the bundle relating to - I've got that statement. Isthis paginated? Yes. Can you just tell me whether it wasemailed or if you emailed it to me?

MR BROAD: Ah, it may be on your ...

THE COMMISSIONER: When did you send it to Mr Broad? Canyou tell me that?

MR RYAN: It was probably on 20 February.

THE COMMISSIONER: 20 February?

MR RYAN: Yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: Bear with me then. I've gone back to20 February. Mr Broad, you can check when or whether itwas --

MR BROAD: I doubt that I would have sent it by email, forcertain.

THE COMMISSIONER: You didn't, in which case I won't haveit then, if you didn't send it by email.

MR RYAN: You might have actually done it by Dropbox.

THE COMMISSIONER: What I've got by email: I've got twostatements of Councillor Brown and I got the code ofconduct. Can you email it to me now?

MR BROAD: It's quite large.

THE COMMISSIONER: Oh, it may not get through?

MR BROAD: No.

THE COMMISSIONER: All right, we'll proceed as it is andI'll use Mr Broad's computer. Go ahead.

MR RYAN: Thank you.

Q. Let me get back to it. Mr Greenwood, you've got thecorrect bundle there I think. I wanted to take you topage 131 of that.

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THE COMMISSIONER: Can I just ask a quick question. Wouldit be an objective (indistinct).

MR BROAD: It may well be, under ratings (indistinct).

THE COMMISSIONER: I may be able to find it on mine, butI'll keep yours for a minute, but I'll see if I can findmine.

MR BROAD: I'll (indistinct) USB drives.

THE COMMISSIONER: All right. Go ahead, Mr Ryan.

MR RYAN: Q. So, did you get there - obviously, thankyou.A. "Workforce Management Strategy".

Q. "Workforce Management Strategy 2013 to 2023"?

MR SINGLETON: Could that page number be repeated, Ididn't catch it?

MR RYAN: 131.

Q. If you skip ahead to page 136, I think at the top ofthe page it says, "Salary increases" - I might just say forclarity that this is a public document that obviously ispublished by the council, still on the council's web page.

If you look at the first line there, it says:

The current Local Government (state award)is due to expire in June 2014.

THE COMMISSIONER: What page are you on, I'm sorry?

MR RYAN: 136, very first line.

Q. I think, would you agree that it's reasonable toassume, although the date is not printed on this, thatgiven that it's a strategy from 2013 to 2023, and thatexpression says "due to expire", this is probably publishedbefore June 2014?A. That's correct.

Q. If I can take you then to the next section which is

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titled, "Safety Laws", it consists of two paragraphs andsome points.A. What page?

Q. The same page, just directly under that, 136. If youjust read that for a minute.A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. You can see there that, in the last paragraph, itrefers in the second line down, it says:

An independent third party was engaged toundertake a comprehensive gap analysis ofthe safety management systems.

A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. It appears reasonable to assume that that is a briefreference to the Willis gap analysis of 2012?A. Yep.

Q. And then:

The work culminated in an improvement planwhich is being implemented over athree-year timeframe. The cost ofimplementing the improvement plan is$1 million. However, we will guarantee ...

I'm assuming we're missing a word there:

However, this will guarantee compliancewith new work health and safety laws.

Would you agree that that's a rather succinctdescription of the challenge facing the council at thattime, in late 2013, sometime before June 2014?A. Run that past me again?

Q. Would you agree --A. It is succinct.

Q. -- it's a succinct description of the task in front ofthe council at that time?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Do you have a recall of allocating $1 million to

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implement this program?A. I'd have to go back through the council's records, Ican't remember. I mean, we said we were going to, wewould, but I can't - I'd have to go back through therecords to guarantee that we did.

Q. $1 million would be a major project though, wouldn'tit, in terms of Blue Mountains Council's --A. Well, it may not be one project, it may be severalprojects.

Q. Okay, thank you. Can I take you to page 107 of thatdocument.A. We're going back, are we?

Q. Going back, yeah.

THE COMMISSIONER: Is that headed, "Asbestos ManagementPlans"?

MR RYAN: It's, "Asset Management Plans".

THE COMMISSIONER: Sorry, I've got "asbestos" on thebrain. "Asset Management Plans", yes.

MR RYAN: Q. So, this is a truncated version of theasset management plan; correct?A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. And so, only a few pages are included in thisbundle for brevity, but you can see down the bottom therethat this says it's an update 2014 supporting a 2015application for a special rate variation?A. Yes.

Q. Or a special variation to rates. So, this appears tobe a later document than the one, the workforce strategy.If you skip ahead to 129, you can see there's a table oflegislation there, and you can see that, partway down,roughly halfway down it says, "New South Wales Health andOccupational Safety Act 2000". So, would you agree thatthat's the incorrect legislation to refer to in 2014 or2015?

THE COMMISSIONER: Sorry?

THE WITNESS: I'm a bit lost.

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THE COMMISSIONER: You might have to - oh, this is part ofthe same document?

MR RYAN: Yes.

THE WITNESS: I'm just trying to find where you've got NewSouth Wales. You're talking about 129?

MR RYAN: Q. 129, it's halfway down, it's in small print.It's under "New South Wales Noxious Weeds Act", and itsays, "New South Wales Occupational Health and Safety Act".A. Yes.

Q. And so, the question was, would you agree that thatreference is referring to the incorrect legislation whichwas relevant at that time?A. It probably is. It would have been updated. I assumeit could be.

MR RYAN: Commissioner, unfortunately I've truncated thedocument for brevity in the bundle, but I have someslightly older extracts here, and just to go to one furtherpoint on this document, if I could.

THE COMMISSIONER: Yes.

MR RYAN: Q. So, again, this is a very shortened versionof something that's much larger, but it has two sets ofnumbers, I'm not 100 per cent sure why, but if you were togo to page 17 at the top or part B, page 80 of 376 at thebottom, there's the same thing. Page 17 up the top mightbe the easiest way to find it.A. Page 17, yes.

Q. So, bearing in mind that this is an asset managementplan and was a supporting document for the special ratevariation, and you can see that the table there is - 5.2,it's "critical risks and treatment plans", identifyingbuildings. Then over the page on 18 in the second boxdown, in the second column: the first column is "Buildingsgeneral condition", and then in the second column you'vegot, "Condition of building, Asbestos issues compliance",and "Critical equipment out of date", and "Unnecessaryenergy costs", so there's a list of things there.A. Mmm-hmm.

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Q. The risk rating, which is the third column, if you goback to page 17 you can see the titles of the columns.A. Yes.

Q. Risk rating is, in that particular one, is "high". Ifyou go over to the final column, which is --

THE COMMISSIONER: Everything's "high".

MR RYAN: Well, I think the table is called, "Criticalrisks and treatment plans", it's identifying the highestpriorities.

Q. There's a cost associated, $75,000 per year. And I'mnot sure exactly if that refers to staff time to improve,or staff time is to improve systems and processes issomething different. Then it says $2.4 million in 2016 to23, so over that period. So, this is the ask, isn't it?This is the money that you're identifying you need --A. That's correct.

Q. -- to justify the special rate variation?A. That's correct.

Q. The special rate variation was successful, I believe?A. Correct.

Q. So the council had raised money by that process to, inpart, deal with asbestos compliance?A. Correct.

Q. I wanted to move on. Mr Glover took you through a lotof information and I'll just try and catch up with what Iwanted to ask you about, but it was to do with, I think,the policy control team, if I recall correctly, that was amemo from Ms Cooper and it was in May 2016. I might justtry and find that.

THE COMMISSIONER: So, we're going back to the generalbundle?

MR RYAN: I beg your pardon, we're going back to thegeneral bundle, yes. I'm not sure which is the generalbundle.

THE COMMISSIONER: That's Exhibit 82.

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MR RYAN: The page number is 1471, and that was the memofrom Ms Cooper, and it was the policy control team. I'mjust trying to find it myself.

Q. As discussed with Mr Glover, that identified asbestosand, from memory, I think there was a table there and itput the risk as being "high". On page 1476 Mr Glover drewyour attention to a sentence which was the last sentence ofthe page and goes over to 1477, which says:

Ultimately policy ownership rests with thegeneral manager and organisation.

A. Words to that effect.

Q.The policy ownership rests with the generalmanager and the organisation as a whole.

I wanted to just ask you some questions about thatbecause you made some answers. I think you explained thatyou agreed with that because you were trying to develop aculture or have an understanding that policies werewhole-of-organisation policies; that's correct?A. Correct.

Q. But you then made a statement, if I recorded itcorrectly, that directors were still required to exercisetheir own discretion on safety?

MR GLOVER: I object.

THE COMMISSIONER: What's the ground for the objection?

MR GLOVER: It doesn't reflect the evidence.

THE COMMISSIONER: What do you say the evidence was?

MR GLOVER: He said that directors were to exercise theirdiscretion when it comes to safety.

THE COMMISSIONER: You might need to rephrase yourquestion bearing that in mind.

MR RYAN: My recall is that, notwithstanding the idea thatthere was a whole - you were encouraging awhole-of-organisation policy, that you said words to the

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effect that directors were still expected to exercisejudgment and diligence when it comes to safety.A. Well, I don't know that I said those words, but thedirectors are to carry out their obligations under the WorkHealth and Safety Act and the same responsibilities - youknow, they're pretty much spelt out in the Act to provide asafe workplace for staff. That's just sort of a given, andthat's not saying what is the policy.

Q. Okay. So, this was in May 2016, when you said youcan't recall a focus on the asbestos policy at that time?A. I may have.

THE COMMISSIONER: Which date?

MR RYAN: It would be generally through 2016 after - wewere discussing the policy control team memo fromMs Cooper, and what flowed, and I think Mr Glover asked ifyou recalled there being a special focus or any particularfocus.A. At that meeting, yes; not at that meeting, no. Yes,that's correct.

Q. You then went on to say that directors - in terms of,if there were questions of the capacity of the organisationto implement a policy, you gave an answer which said,directors were required to bring their budget requests tothe budget process.


WITNESS: I think we're mixing things up there. That'sgetting mixed up.

THE COMMISSIONER: Wait a sec, Mr Greenwood.

MR GLOVER: That is conflating two separate issues. Thefirst is --

THE COMMISSIONER: Who's got responsibility for developinga policy.

MR GLOVER: And then there's an implementation issue.

THE COMMISSIONER: I see.

MR GLOVER: The question completely conflates two separate

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lines of questioning.

THE COMMISSIONER: I think what Mr Glover is encouragingme to do, as would I, is to separate when you're askingquestions of the witness the concept of who's gotresponsibility for driving policy, ensuring conformity withlegislation, et cetera, and then responsibility for gainingthe funds to do that in terms of the budget.

MR RYAN: Q. So, hypothetically, Mr Greenwood, ifsomeone, a director, was having trouble in exercising -drawing on enough capacity to develop a policy - and I'msaying develop a policy, not implement a policy - if therewere capacity issues, you would expect them to bring theirbudget requests for extra capacity into the budget process,would you?A. Well, if the job is already allocated, I'd expect themto bring it to me immediately, not draw a - if there's aproject that they feel they haven't got the resources todo, I expect them to bring it to my attention immediatelythey're aware of it.

Q. Okay.

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. I mean, that would be usual. Imean, if a director has responsibility, whoever he or shemay be, for developing or implementing a council policy andthere is neither the expertise to do that within council,or they don't have any money, they're things that as amatter of common sense you'd expect them to raise at asenior management level, including with you?A. Absolutely.

MR RYAN: Q. I think you have plainly said today thatyou weren't aware there was a problem with asbestos policyor asbestos management until May 2017, 22 May, or 15 Mayprobably, with the SafeWork inspection.

THE COMMISSIONER: The SafeWork notice was identified asthe correct (indistinct - overtalking).

MR RYAN: Q. Yes, although you'd had a meeting withSafeWork prior to them issuing the notice, I think?A. No, I met with them after.

Q. Right, right. Thank you. In the context of thisdiscussion where you would expect a director or their

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senior managers to bring an issue to you, you're sayingquite clearly I think, that they didn't bring this issue toyou; correct?

MR GLOVER: Well, I object. I think the issue needs to be(indistinct - overtalking).

MR RYAN: Well, they didn't bring the issue of a lack ofasbestos management policy in the subsequent --

THE COMMISSIONER: Well, who? I think you might need toidentify, whether through the witness or through yourquestion, who you say is the director responsible and thenask a question about what that director did or didn't do.

MR RYAN: I think --

THE COMMISSIONER: Because not everyone in the council'sgot responsibility. We know by the Willis reportin October 2015 that, flowing from that, Mr McKay, who'sgovernance and risks and people and systems, is takingcontrol of the business improvement plan and the safetyimprovement project through 2016, leading to Mr Shellshearbeing employed, Mr Mulligan being brought on as aconsultant, and then the work done through 2017. We knowMs Dillon is head of the directorate of people and systems.

So, I think, in fairness to the entire management teamof the council, just be specific and, if you don't know,ask the witness to tell you and then ask a question.

MR RYAN: Q. So, at this time, in May 2016, who wasresponsible for developing an asbestos management policyand the flow-on plan and register? Who would have beenresponsible?A. I'm struggling with - I'm going back a while now interms of - I'm struggling to work out who was - where wewere and what the structure was and who had thatresponsibility in May 2016. It would have been very - itwould have been close to the cusp, I think, of changingover, so I'm not - C&CO - the director of C&CO had itoriginally. The timing of the changeover, I think, wouldhave been after that report, the gap analysis, and so, itwould be getting pretty close to where the changeover was;I don't know exactly on that day who was doing it, I can'trecall.

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Q. No, so it would have been --A. I don't access the council's records, I don't - Idon't know; if it's a memory test, I don't know. But therecords would show it; I mean, council's records, books andrecords, would clearly identify it.

Q. So, was it Mr Corbett at that time?A. Mr Corbett would have left the organisation by then.If you're talking about the director of C&CO, which I thinkis what you're saying?

Q. I am.A. He would have left the organisation and Mr Nichollswould have been the director of C&CO at that time.

Q. So, at that time, and when you say "on the cusp", youhad changed directors and Mr Nicholls had come in --A. It's not on the cusp of the directors, it's on thecusp of the responsibility for asbestos that the managementplan would be sitting.

Q. Yes, and where did it move to?A. To the people in systems.

Q. People in systems.A. Mr (Indistinct) and Mr McKay and Mr Liddell.

Q. So Mr Liddell was the program manager; correct?A. Correct.

MR SINGLETON: Was the group manager.

THE WITNESS: Group manager.

THE COMMISSIONER: Group manager, is that what it'scalled? Right.

MR RYAN: Q. And Mr McKay worked under Mr Liddell?A. Correct.

Q. And he was the manager of governance and risk?A. Correct.

THE COMMISSIONER: People and systems is a directoratethough.

MR SINGLETON: It's a group.

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THE COMMISSIONER: It's a group.

MR SINGLETON: Two groups and three directorates.

THE COMMISSIONER: Ah, right. Okay.

MR RYAN: Q. So at that time it was a changing period,but did Mr McKay ever report to you that the council wasnon-compliant with regard to the Work Health and Safety Act2011?A. Well, he - no, he didn't actually report to me inthose terms, no. He - I think he was the one thatcommissioned the gap analysis.

Q. He commissioned the gap analysis?A. Well, the report, the last report that was - I'mtrying to think of which report it was now.

Q. The 2015 report?A. 2015: no, he didn't actually; he didn't commissionthat one, no. So, he didn't report it to me, no.

Q. Did Mr Liddell report it to you?A. No.

Q. So is it fair to say from the evidence you've givenhere today that you didn't have a system of followingthrough on critical compliance issues so that, if it wasn'treported to you, if there was a failure at that level, youdidn't have a system which ensured you picked it up?

MR SINGLETON: As of what date?


THE COMMISSIONER: The question's too - it's an unfairquestion in the sense that it's way too broad, and youhaven't identified - I think what you should do is stick toasbestos specifically, and the questioning needs to be, tobe fair and to help, more specific in the sense that, youcan ask questions about, were you aware of whether councilhad adopted the State Government's model asbestos policy,or were you aware whether or not the council had anasbestos management plan as required by the Work Health andSafety Act, and you can ask specific questions aboutwhether the witness was aware about having an asbestos

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register or an asbestos register in the council buildings,and specific questions about what the council was or wasn'tdoing in relation to its management of asbestos.

But when you just sort of say you didn't have a policyof following through on critical matters, it's too broadfor the witness to fairly answer. So I think, I'd justfocus in on making your questions more specific.

Did you have a different objection?

MR GLOVER: No.

MR RYAN: I'm not sure how to phrase that question then,because I wanted to ask about systems for catching issueswhich weren't progressed.

THE COMMISSIONER: Well, I'm only dealing, because myterms of reference are only allowing me to deal withasbestos management issues and not safety generally.

For example, I've got no lawful ability to look intoworkers' compensation matters within the council

MR RYAN: Of course.

THE COMMISSIONER: So, it's better to stick to specificsbecause that's what the terms of reference sets out.

MR RYAN: Obviously, it's in relation to asbestos, but itwould be a process, a method, of becoming alert to failuresin the organisation, and in this case it's obviouslyrelevant to being compliant with asbestos, of work healthand safety legislation.

THE COMMISSIONER: I've given you all the help I can,otherwise I'll end up asking the question for you. So, youproceed and we'll see how you go but, as I've said, and I'monly saying this to try and help you, and everyone I think;it seems a bit better than broad, and given I've gotspecific terms of reference.

MR RYAN: Yes.

Q. So, Mr Greenwood, are you a member of the audit andrisk committee?A. No.

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Q. Have you ever been a member?A. Yes - ah, the risk committee? I think I might havebeen when it initially started up, but I'm not a member ofthe audit and risk committee, no.

Q. When would you have finished being a member?A. Oh, I think I was only there when it was initially setup, just to - when the terms of reference were being setup, but I can't recall being on the audit and riskcommittee.

Q. Are you able to describe very briefly what the purposeof the audit and risk committee is?A. I'm not sure the audit and risk committee - thegovernance and risk; I don't know that we had an audit andrisk. We had an external audit and risk committee whichwas - I set up which had external people on it; I wasn't amember of that audit and risk committee. So, that was theexternal one we set up. Internally, I'm not sure we had anaudit and risk committee.

Q. I'm asking about the external.A. Oh, you're asking about the external one?

Q. Yes, I am?A. Okay, yeah, well that was - I set that up. I was nota member, I couldn't be a member, legislatively I can't bea member of that audit and risk committee. I attended butI wasn't a member.

Q. But you attended it?A. I did attend, yes.

Q. Sorry, I wasn't specific enough.

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. Was that because you needed to beindependent?A. That's right.

MR RYAN: Q. And there are elected councillors on thatcommittee?A. There are.

Q. Moving forward a bit to 2017 when you became aware,and we'll come to that in more detail, but did you reportthis issue, you becoming aware, to the external audit and

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risk committee?A. Yes, I did.

Q. You did?A. I did.

Q. How would you have reported that?A. Well, I verbally reported it to them at the, I think,just after the - probably the next meeting that came upafter the incident that was raised - after we received theimprovement notice, I raised it with them; it should be inthe minutes.

Q. That would be the six --

THE COMMISSIONER: So, the very first meeting after May17, 22 May 17 when you did that first (indistinct -overtalking) --A. Yes.

MR RYAN: Q. That would be the 6 July meeting of theaudit and risk committee?A. I briefed the audit and risk committee, what the dateof it was I can't - I just don't remember what date. Itwould be in the records.

Q. Yes. I wonder if we can ask if that is part of theexhibits, the minutes of the audit and risk committee.

MR GLOVER: If it's part of Ms Ryan's bundle, let me turnto Exhibit 70.

MR RYAN: Of Councillor Brown's statement or submission?

MR GLOVER: It's Exhibit 70.

MR RYAN: Q. I believe it's right at the start of therisk committee minutes there, page 3, 6 July. And you'relisted as being present, Mr Greenwood.A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Is there part of the minutes that you can take us tothat record your recording of what you now know, what youthen knew, about council's non-compliance?A. I can't see it there. But it did happen, it was atthe end of the meeting, and I arranged it and CouncillorSchreiber was at the meeting, which is at the end of the

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meeting because it wasn't on the agenda. Maybe the personthat took the minutes didn't minute it, because it wasn'tan agenda item.

Q. If I can draw your attention to page 5, second entry,if you like, from the bottom, "KS" which I think isprobably a reference to Kevin Schreiber, Councillor KevinSchreiber?A. Which is the reference to Councillor Schreiber?

Q. The other issue is the audit of asbestos --A. At page 5?

Q. Yeah, we're at page 5 of the bundle, it's page 3 ofthose minutes.A. Page 3 of the minutes. Oh there, there we go.

Q. I'm not sure if that is Councillor Schreiber actually?A. It is, yes.

Q. No, I'm not sure that he would say that "it's well inhand now as a major health concern to staffing"?A. (Indistinct - overtalking).


THE WITNESS: Well, that's the (indistinct - overtalking).

MR SINGLETON: I would like to cross-examine Mr Ryan, ifhe's going to give evidence.

THE WITNESS: Oh yay, he's here. Well, I would havespoken to it.

THE COMMISSIONER: Just pause for a second. First of all,"KS" is identified as Councillor Schreiber in the --A. I don't know.

Q. -- page 1 of the minutes, so --A. I don't know.

Q. That doesn't mean it's accurate. What we've got is"other issues":

The audit of asbestos. Found this to beconcerning that they were not up-to-date onit. Comfortable that it is well in hand

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now as it is a major health concern to thestaff and public.

Well, on its face that is a shorthand version of whatis said to be Councillor Schreiber saying something at thismeeting. Do you recollect, sitting there now, CouncillorSchreiber saying anything about this?A. Well, Councillor Schreiber and I were the peoplethat - we actually briefed them on - at that particularmeeting on the notice and where we're up to.

Q. And then, on page 4, it's got:

KS questioned if the asbestos on privateproperty and whether our staff had beenexposed to this as he was aware of theasbestos dumped at Mount Wilson.

Then Mr McKay:

This is scheduled for removal by anasbestos professional and will be removedby the weekend.

RG advised committee that he would take iton board and follow it up.

MR SINGLETON: Commissioner, you skipped over something.

THE COMMISSIONER: I skipped over something?

MR SINGLETON: Yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: Well, you tell me.

MR SINGLETON: Councillor Schreiber is recorded again asspeaking after McKay and before Greenwood, referring to theMount Irvine Gazette, a theme that has previously featuredin evidence as something Councillor Schreiber raised.


MR SINGLETON: I mention it because the issue seems to bewhether the minutes are accurate, and recording CouncillorSchreiber as being a participant in this agenda item.

THE COMMISSIONER: Yeah. The issue you were asking about,

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though, was whether Mr Greenwood had raised whatspecifically at the audit and risk meeting, the issue ofher SafeWork notice or?

MR RYAN: The issue of the SafeWork notice and - yes.

Q. Did you raise that?A. Yeah, I did.

Q. Did you notify the audit and risk committee?A. Yes. I think Councillor Schreiber, as a member on thecommittee; he introduced the item and then he got me tospeak.

Q. Was there briefing - and you and councillor, did yousay you and Councillor Schreiber briefed the committee?A. He's the member, he raised the item, he asked me tospeak to it.

Q. Yes.A. I go along and support. So, when I get asked aquestion or asked for information, then that's when I'dcome in.

Q. As part of your briefing, you're saying you includednotification of the SafeWork notice?A. Yes.

Q. And you included enough detail for members tounderstand that the council was in breach of the workhealth and safety legislation because of that fact?A. Oh, well, I would have - I mean, I went through itsimilar to the briefing of the councillors, very similarbriefing, I would have said the same thing, so yeah, Iwould have advised them that there was obviously a noticefrom work health and safety that council was - had work todo with its buildings and it had to deal with themanagement plan.

Q. But you would agree, wouldn't you, that these minutesas they stand don't record that the SafeWork notice wasdiscussed?A. No, they don't, no.

Q. And they don't discuss in any way that the council wasin breach of work health and safety legislation?A. They don't, no.

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Q. Okay, thank you for that. I wanted to move back, Isuppose, to 22 May. I think, in going back to the bigbundle, chronological bundle, page 1740. On that, it'sbeen discussed before, it's a memo from you to all servicedelivery managers and supervisors, environmentalsustainability, and do you see it's copied to yourexecutive team, the work health and safety committeechairs. Am I correct in thinking that your evidence wasthat this was a sufficiently wide enough group ofrecipients to distribute this message throughout thecouncil workforce?A. I don't know that I said that, but it is, it is enoughfor the group that we were - obviously this email wasintended for, but we did a team brief which went to allstaff which followed this up straight after this. So, thiswasn't the only - this wasn't the only - this wasn't theonly way we communicated with staff. This is just one ofthe immediate ones in response to me going to - I think alot of it's me going to the depots and for the staff thatare already in the field that are impacted to ensure thatthey're getting a clear message, but there were othermessages.

Q. Very good, and prior to this - no, not prior to this,because this is dated 29 May. After this you met with theMayor, is that correct, to give the Mayor a briefing or thestandard weekly briefing?A. That's correct.

Q. I understand there were other people present at thatmeeting?A. I can't recall.

Q. Do you recall where the briefing was?A. I do.

Q. Where was it?A. It was 2773 Café in Glenbrook at 7 o'clock in themorning.

Q. At 7 o'clock in the morning, and was the Deputy MayorCouncillor Van der Kley present?A. I can't recall whether Councillor Van der Kley waspresent at that meeting. Councillor Van der Kley turned uponce a month to the mayoral meetings. So the Deputy Mayorturned up once a month; whether that was the meeting he was

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at, I can't recall.

Q. Okay, once a month, all right. I wonder,Commissioner, if I can just get the help of counselassisting in identifying the agenda for that briefing.

MR GLOVER: Exhibit 59, I think.

MR RYAN: Oh, Exhibit 59, thank you.

Q. Do you have that in front of you?A. Which one is it?

Q. It's Exhibit 59, I don't know what folder it is in.A. 59?

MR SINGLETON: It's a single sheet of paper.

MR GLOVER: Mr Broad will bring it to you.

MR RYAN: Q. You've got that in front of you?A. I have.

Q. How was the agenda for your meetings with the Mayor,how was it developed?A. My PA has just got a standard template, she justchanged the date, and I give her items and she puts theitems on the list.

Q. When is that done?A. Oh, it's done continuously, it's a standard documentin her system, and there's one meeting and the next onestarts up, and it just rotates, she just puts all theissues in, I just hand them to her and she puts them on thelist. Sometimes I write them in, sometimes they come uplater if it's a catch-up meeting. You know, sometimes I -the things that I might have even forgotten, if I remember,I just write them on and - it's not a very sophisticated -you know, it's for me really so that it's for me so I canhave a meaningful conversation with the Mayor and when Ireturn from the meeting with the Mayor I can action theitems; a bit of a working document.

Q. Is this something you print out on the morning at6am --A. No.

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Q. -- and take it to the meeting, or do you email it tothe Mayor the night before?A. My PA would email it - no, she doesn't actually, Itook them, I used to take them along as a hard copy.

Q. This meeting is dated 31 May?A. It is.

Q. Two days before, you had issued a bulletin, a memo, tothose people that we just spoke about, a wide group ofpeople at 1740.A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. And you said a message had gone out in team brieffollowing that memo. Was that --A. I'm not sure of the date but it was pretty - I'm notsure of the exact date of the team brief but ...

Q. After 22 May, which is nine days earlier than thismeeting with the Mayor, this is still not typed into theagenda; correct?A. Correct.

Q. "Asbestos" is handwritten down the bottom?A. That is handwritten down the bottom.

Q. And that's the only reference to asbestos in thatmeeting?A. That's the only reference to asbestos on the agenda.

Q. Yes.A. Not in the meeting.

Q. No, it's the only reference to asbestos on thatagenda, beg your pardon, yes.A. That's correct.

Q. At that meeting you say that the Mayor asked you tobrief the councillors?A. Correct.

Q. I wonder if I could take you back to CouncillorBrown's bundle, page 211. That is slightly truncated atthe top, but that is an email, I'm instructed, from you tothe councillors and executive leadership team on 31 Octoberat 5.39pm, advising them of a briefing which is about tooccur that evening regarding the Lawson - Park Street

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Lawson Depot.A. Yeah.

Q. If I go back to the main bundle and page 1801, Ithink. At 1800 is the beginning of an asbestos managementproject team brief of 4 July, I think Mr Glover took you tothis.A. 1800, are we at?

Q. Yes. On 1799, the page before, there's an email fromMr McKay just explaining it's "the notes used by Stuart andI to brief the council last night". And there the notesfollow. Can you tell me if there's any reference - can yousee a reference in there to the issuance of an improvementnotice by SafeWork?

MR SINGLETON: 1859, is it?

THE WITNESS: Which page are we talking about?

MR RYAN: Q. 1800 and 1801.A. Yes, again.

Q. So, in the sixth dot point down from those notes:

In May this year WorkSafe conducted aninspection of the Springwood Depot.

A. M'mm.

Q. And then it says:

New South Wales served council with an IN.

A. Improvement notice, yep.

Q.Regarding the state of our asbestosmanagement plan.

A. Yes.

Q. Very good. Are you able - yes?

MR SINGLETON: I thought he had finished and I was goingto object because there didn't seem to be a question. Thequestion is about to come.

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MR RYAN: No, the question was, I wanted to confirm thatthose notes were made regarding the 4 July briefing. Yes.

Q. So, the question is, were these notes provided to thecouncillors?A. I can't recall.

Q. Were the councillors provided with any writtenmaterial from that record?A. I can't recall.

THE COMMISSIONER: Doesn't the page before, 1799, or am Ireading this wrong:

(Indistinct) notes used by Stuart and I tobrief the council last night.

Was that the notes that follow?

MR RYAN: Yes. I'm asking a clarify question if a form ofthese notes, or a PowerPoint slide --

THE COMMISSIONER: Or a hard copy, right?

MR RYAN: Hard copy, yes, could have been a hard copy,could have been a PowerPoint presentation with these notesor something like that were provided to the councillors.

Q. If we go back to your --

THE COMMISSIONER: So, did we get - was there an answer tothat?

MR RYAN: I think it was, "I can't recall".

THE WITNESS: I can't recall.

MR RYAN: Yes. If we go --

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. Sorry. Do you recall Mr McKay'sbriefing with the councillors?A. I do, yes.

Q. Do you have any - obviously looking at the noterefreshes your memory, but having looked at the note, doyou recall Mr McKay giving a briefing about the improvement

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notice?A. Yes.

MR RYAN: Q. If I can go back now to 6 June, which isthe --

THE COMMISSIONER: Sorry, I should follow that up.

Q. Was there any discussion between any of thecouncillors and Mr McKay about that that you recall?A. I can't recall any.

Q. No, that's all right.A. I can't recall now.

MR RYAN: Q. If I go back to 6 June, which is thebriefing which you say that the Mayor asked you to make abriefing --A. Oh, I think probably - we probably agreed togetherthat that would be a thing - the ideal thing to do to bringthe council up to speed.

Q. If I'm correct, you've --

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. That's the normal function of ageneral manager meeting with a Mayor, is to - and this isstraight out of the Act - is to provide a conduit for,partly, communication with the other members of thegoverning body, isn't it, about matters that are importantto council?A. That's correct.

MR RYAN: Q. If I recall, is it correct to say,Mr Greenwood, that having the evidence you gave today, isthat, having found out from 22 May onwards you were veryconcerned about the situation the council found itself in,and you issued various statements and you went to twodepots and had meetings with the staff, and the words youused today, that this was a serious issue that went to thecouncil's reputation and the safety of staff?A. Yes.

Q. So, if we go to 6 June, you've given evidence thatthe --A. Which document's that one again? Do I need to gothere?

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Q. The 6 June briefing - we can go to the agenda.A. I've got it.

Q. Apart from the fire affected house which you'vesaid --

THE COMMISSIONER: What document are you looking at now?

MR RYAN: I don't have the page number to hand.

THE WITNESS: In Exhibit 66 to 70.

MR GLOVER: It's Exhibit 70.

THE COMMISSIONER: Oh, back to Exhibit 70, all right.

MR GLOVER: In fairness to the witness, can I indicatewhether we can remove some of those bundles, Mr Greenwoodhas five.

THE COMMISSIONER: I'm sure we can. Mr Broad.

MR GLOVER: Mr Ryan, if you would indicate which documentsyou wish Mr Greenwood to have open.

THE COMMISSIONER: So, we're back to something that was in515 but has found its way into Exhibit 70, which is thisbriefing session.

MR RYAN: Q. So, if we're back at Exhibit 70, thank youfor that, counsel assisting, and the agenda there is page 1of that bundle and it's the agenda for 6 June. I think youhave agreed already, Mr Greenwood, that topic 3, asbestosmanagement to brief the councillors action to date andpropose clean up in relation to a fire damaged house, isnot the briefing on WorkSafe notice and the asbestosmanagement plan?A. That's correct.

Q. My question is, is there any document that you canpoint to that verifies that the councillors were briefed on6 June, about SafeWork issuing an improvement notice --

THE COMMISSIONER: Just before you finish that question, Ican already tell you, it's just not fair. I mean, thewitness doesn't have access to the bundle of documents,he's not employed by the council any more. You can ask him

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whether he drafted such a document, if he recalls that, orwhether he read such a document, but to today phrase aquestion, "are you aware of any document within theentirety of the council's records", is really not a fairquestion.

MR RYAN: Okay, thank you, yes.

Q. Mr Greenwood, did you draft a note about thatbriefing --A. No.

Q. -- on 6 June?A. No.

Q. Are you aware of a document that would record it?A. No. I was there and I did the briefing. I was at themeeting --

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. It wouldn't normally be thegeneral manager's job, would it, to be drafting minutes?A. No. The councillor briefings agenda, which is workedup over months, relates to issues of business that thecouncil consider or will be considering in their brief tohelp them with that. The issue I briefed them on was anurgent - was an important matter that they needed to beacross but not something that they needed to make adecision about, and nor something that was being reportedto them. So, that's why the agenda is like it is there,and that's why I briefed them. I sort of cut in on thatparticular agenda and I verbally briefed the councillors tomake them aware.

Q. Is that partly an answer to this proposition: that,whilst critical, asbestos management matters, thecouncillors need to be generally aware of something asspecific like how the staff of the council deal with theSafeWork improvement notice is a matter for the staff andcouncil and not the governing body?A. That's right, it's an operational matter, that'scorrect.

MR RYAN: Q. Mr Greenwood, would you agree that you werehighly concerned after 22 May, having found out that youdidn't have a asbestos management plan or a compliantregister --

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MR SINGLETON: I object. I object on the ground --

MR RYAN: (Indistinct).

THE COMMISSIONER: Just have a sec, yeah.

MR SINGLETON: This evidence has been given multiple timestoday, and it is now 3.30, and I am the main person tocross-examine this witness who's leaving the jurisdictionbefore the end of the week.

THE COMMISSIONER: I think what Mr Singleton's raisingthere, and I think it may even be a polite chastisement ofme, is that I'm giving you a tremendous scope in an inquirylike this to ask questions on topics that counselassisting's already explored, and in other situations itmay simply not be allowed, but I'm giving you some scope todo that, but I probably need to be a little bit firmer withyou about, it's really not the way an administrativeinquiry like this is meant to operate, or indeed even atrial, of one barrister or one counsel, I should say, goingover a topic and a similar examination being conducted bysomeone else.

I think all I'd ask you to do, without stopping youfor the time being, is ensure that you're not simplyputting the same propositions that Mr Glover's already put.

MR RYAN: Thank you, Commissioner.

THE COMMISSIONER: Or similar ones. Something new.

MR RYAN: I will do my best, I am trying to do that.

THE COMMISSIONER: I understand that, but really, if it'sgoing to be useful, it's really got to be something new.

MR RYAN: I have also been chastised in the previoushearings for not being aware of the rule in Brown v Dunnand giving enough weight to that, even though it doesn'tstrictly legally apply, of asking these questions --

THE COMMISSIONER: I'm not sure I - I can't rememberchastising anybody.

MR RYAN: Well, maybe if you had --

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THE COMMISSIONER: Mr Hadley might disagree, but I can'tremember doing that.

MR RYAN: Q. But nevertheless, there were variouscomments made. The issue that I want to put toMr Greenwood is, having communicated on the 4 July briefingand on 31 July, and having communicated thoroughly withstaff, why was there no email to the councillors or nobriefing notes for something that you agreed on 31 May aweek beforehand the councillors would be briefed on?A. Run that past me again, I'm struggling.

THE COMMISSIONER: Yeah, I didn't follow that questioneither, so you'll have to ask it again.

MR RYAN: Q. Why on every other occasion, on 4 July and31 October where you gave at least emails or detailedagenda items on briefings, why are there no briefing noteson this occasion on 6 June?A. I can't help you.

THE COMMISSIONER: The answer was, he didn't know, so itdoesn't matter.

MR RYAN: That's correct. Commissioner, may I say inresponse to yourself, that how in detail council respondsto an improvement notice may be an operational issue to acertain extent. The discovery that the council is notcompliant with the Work Health and Safety Act seems to meto be a matter of some seriousness and something that thegoverning body should have been informed of immediately.

THE COMMISSIONER: I certainly agree that it's a matter ofseriousness and the council generally, if it be the casethat they're not compliant with safety legislation, I wouldtotally agree it's a matter that the governing body needsto know about as well.

MR RYAN: Yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: But my point only was dealing with animprovement notice really is an operational matter. Youdon't give the improvement notice to the governing body andsay, "Well, what the hell do we do?"

MR RYAN: No, but I think the situation we're dealingwith here is a situation of discovery on the 22nd by

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Mr Greenwood that the situation was not as he thought itwas, and it's actually quite serious, and I meanMr Greenwood has expressed that here himself.

THE COMMISSIONER: Anyway, you proceed.

MR RYAN: I may have a final question, I'll just consult.

Q. For the sake of fairness I had wanted to ask, is itpossible that you have not recalled correctly the briefingon 6 June?

MR SINGLETON: I object to that question.

THE COMMISSIONER: That's really not a question thatsurvives any analysis.

MR SINGLETON: That's a philosophical question.

MR GLOVER: If there's a proposition to be put, it shouldbe put fairly and squarely.

THE COMMISSIONER: I think, if you've got a - you know, ifwe look at the bigger picture of Mr Greenwood's evidence,Mr Ryan, I mean, counsel assisting has gone through a longchronological process, and Mr Greenwood has accepted somepropositions that things could have been done more quicklyat various times, and I think there's been a very thoroughgoing through of where there may have been some gaps fromtime to time.

MR RYAN: Q. Mr Greenwood, we have referred in otherhearings to the concept of the hourglass model at BlueMountains Council, and there's a diagram. Do you recallthe hourglass model of governance at Blue MountainsCouncil?A. "The hourglass model"? Not - if you showed mesomething, I might but, no, I don't recall it as a model.But if you can show me something; it doesn't --

Q. Yeah, I don't have it to hand so I won't do that. Andfinally, Mr Mulligan wasn't - at the end of 2016 he didn'treturn in 2017 in the safety improvement project.A. No, he finished that first stage, he didn't come backimmediately, no.

Q. Do you recall why the second stage wasn't proceeded

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with at that time?A. No, I can't, not at that time, no. I can't recall whythe second stage wasn't immediately followed on. We wereimplementing the first stage, I'm not sure about the secondstage.

MR RYAN: Thank you, Commissioner.

THE COMMISSIONER: Thank you, Mr Ryan. Mr Singleton.

MR SINGLETON: Commissioner, I propose to ask quite a fewleading questions in the interests of time.


MR SINGLETON: But I say that so that I can be reined inas people think necessary.

THE COMMISSIONER: I imagine the majority of your leadingquestions would be matters that aren't particularlycontroversial and (indistinct - overtalking).

MR SINGLETON: That's my intention.

THE COMMISSIONER: The most efficient way of dealing withit (indistinct).

<EXAMINATION BY MR SINGLETON:

MR SINGLETON: Q. Mr Greenwood, you became the generalmanager, first acting and then with a permanentappointment, in 2010?A. That's correct.

Q. How would you assess the level of maturity of theorganisation in terms of its governance?A. It was one of the key issues I actually raise with thecouncil during my interview actually, in terms of thechallenges; the council's governance risk and safety wasvery immature.

Q. Was one aspect of that, that you were highly relianton the efficiency, effectiveness and competence of thedirectors and group managers who reported directly to you,without there being a structural or other form of check,cross-check or corroboration?A. Correct.

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Q. Did you set out to improve the governance and businesspractices of the council from 2010 onwards?A. I did.

Q. I'll ask Mr Broad if he's willing to show you somedocuments as we go; if he's not willing I'll get my ownassistant. I'll just show you this document, Mr Greenwood.Most of the documents we'll have copies, but not this one.

THE COMMISSIONER: I see, this is an extract, is it?

MR SINGLETON: No.

THE COMMISSIONER: It's a document that's not in evidence?

MR SINGLETON: This is the document.

Q. Mr Greenwood, is this a list of safety and riskinitiatives that you have typed up yourself, originally forthe purposes of preparing for this hearing?A. It was actually typed up, ah, in response to theearlier hearings, while my memory was --

Q. Right, for this inquiry?A. Just after I left the organisation while my memory wasfresh.

Q. Apart from the word "Greenwood" which is handwrittenat the top, is the handwriting on this document yours?A. The handwriting is - the rest of it's mine, yes.

Q. Are those just additional points that occurred to youwhen you read through the document?A. That's correct.

MR SINGLETON: I tender that document. In effect, it's astatement of evidence-in-chief. We can provide copies ofthis immediately after the adjournment.

THE COMMISSIONER: This is something that you are askingMr Glover to tender, effectively?

MR SINGLETON: I beg your pardon, yes. I'm asking thatMr Glover consider tendering it. And there's going to bequite a few, most of which I'll give to Mr Glover as we go,but not the first two.

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MR GLOVER: I'm happy to have that tendered in light ofthe passage of evidence.

MR SINGLETON: Yes, we propose to tender - we inviteMr Glover to tender the one that has handwriting on itbecause it's just got a few extra points. I gave Mr Gloverthe unannotated version.

THE COMMISSIONER: Oh, I see, okay.

MR SINGLETON: Just for his convenience.

THE COMMISSIONER: The handwritten one's with the witness,okay.

MR SINGLETON: That's right. It just seems it might savehalf an hour of favourable evidence.

Q. Mr Greenwood, in mid-2015 was there an organisationalrestructure focused on the City Services Directorate andespecially the operations branch?A. There was.

Q. Was one of the effects of that branch to take the -sorry, the restructure, to reduce the operations branchheaded by Mr Hahn from something in the order of 110 to 120staff, depending on the day, down to something half of thatsize?A. That's correct.

THE COMMISSIONER: Is this in the document?

MR SINGLETON: No, this will be in the next one; or someof it will be in the document.

Q. As a part of that restructure was a new branchestablished that took over, or absorbed several ofMr Hahn's teams as well as some other staff?A. That's correct.

Q. Was Mr Bruhn the newly appointed manager, branchmanager, of that newly created branch?A. That's correct.

Q. Did Mr Liddell prepare a set of notes to explain thosechanges?

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A. He did.

Q. I'll show you a one-paged document, "CS StructureNotes".

THE COMMISSIONER: Is this one we've got copies of or?

MR SINGLETON: No. Yes, we do, I'll distribute them now.I think we've got copies of the rest that we'll bementioning.

THE COMMISSIONER: So, this is, Mr Liddell created thisdocument, did he?

MR SINGLETON: Mr Greenwood.

THE WITNESS: He did.

MR SINGLETON: So I invite Mr Glover to tender it in duecourse.

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. How do we know Mr Liddell createdit? Because you know that he did, do you, Mr Greenwood?A. Yes, I do.

MR SINGLETON: Q. Do you recall seeing this document atthe time?A. Yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: So, it's civil assets team to move fromcity and community outcomes to City Services.

MR SINGLETON: That later became Service Delivery.

THE COMMISSIONER: City Services becomes Service Delivery,does it?

MR SINGLETON: Not now.

THE COMMISSIONER: But eventually.

MR SINGLETON: Eventually it does, yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: And, what team did you say Mr Hahn wasin charge of?

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branch.

THE COMMISSIONER: Operations branch of?

MR SINGLETON: City Services.

THE COMMISSIONER: I see.

MR SINGLETON: In effect, operations branch becomes TACOwhich has often been mentioned, but TACO is about half thesize of the operations branch.

THE COMMISSIONER: Oh, I see. Right, okay.

MR SINGLETON: Q. Mr Greenwood, is it at least broadlyconsistent with your recollection many years later that thenew structure commenced on 8 July 2015, or in your termof --A. That would be in the report. The report to thecouncil would have the date of the new structure when itwould commence; I can't recall.

Q. In the period from 2010 to 2015, notwithstanding theachievements document that was tendered a few minutes ago,were there a number of interruptions other than thebushfires and the burden of the fit for the future program,as that's a bit later than 2015?A. It raised the LEP, the council had to redo its localenvironmental plan.

Q. Is it the case that the local environment plan hadquite recently been fully revamped by the council at greateffort?A. That's correct.

Q. And then the State Government promulgated a newtemplate?A. That's correct.

Q. And everyone had to start again?A. That's correct.

Q. And there was a considerable diversion of councilresources required to tend to that?A. That's correct.

Q. Were there storms in this period?

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A. There was a state declared disaster in the uppermountains, with a wind storm in the upper mountains whichwe had to respond to as well.

Q. Were there any other significant externalinterruptions or disruption?A. I think that's covered, so ...

Q. Those are the main ones?A. M'mm.

Q. We'll now show you the minutes of the executive teammeeting of 28 November 2012. I seem to have misplaced theother copies that we promised. I have found a bundle in mybundle of bundles.

THE COMMISSIONER: Thanks.

MR SINGLETON: Q. I just ask you to go to item 13 a fewpages in. There's a heading, "Director City Services" andan entry about the model asbestos policy. It says that:

Steve, Damien and Lee are to work togetheron drafting the policy.

"Steve" is a reference to Steve Corbett, is it not?A. Steve Corbett, yes.

Q. "Damien" is Damien Drew?A. That's correct.

Q. "Lee" is Lee Morgan?A. That's correct.

Q. And each of them is a director of the directorate ofthe council?A. That's correct.

Q. I will invite Mr Glover to tender that.

You were asked a number of questions about who took upresponsibility for preparing the policy after the newlegislation commenced on 1 January 2012, and in the periodthereafter. I'm just going to show you a bundle, a fewsheets of paper with emails printed on them. It'llprobably be convenient just to send a few up at the sametime.

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THE COMMISSIONER: Thanks.

MR SINGLETON: Q. Mr Greenwood, these documents willspeak for themselves, but I just want to take you throughthem and then ask a broad question about what might beinferred from them given your knowledge of running of theorganisation.

What these are for the most part are a series ofemails, each piece of paper is a different chain, they'redouble-sided where necessary, and you're not a party tothese emails.

Do you see one that has as the very first email at thetop of the page, and the last in time, from Cattermole toHalpin dated 10 December 2012?A. I do.

Q. If you go down to the bottom, you see that the firstentry in this thing is an original task, "Asbestos registerupdate. Start date: 24/09/2012. Due date: 4/10/2012." Doyou see that set of headings about three-quarters of theway down the page?A. I've got the - this is the Cattermole at the top,Halpin. I'm got re Alan, um --

THE COMMISSIONER: There's Cattermole to - what's the dateof the email, Mr Singleton?

MR SINGLETON: The top of the page, 10 December 2012.

THE WITNESS: Yeah, I've got that. Well, you're directingme to where?

THE COMMISSIONER: Oh, yes, sorry, I've got it, thank you.

MR SINGLETON: Q. One of life's challenges is thatemails go the wrong way. The first chronological entry onthis page, beginning about three-quarters of the way down,begins with, "Original task". There's blue writing, "SteveCorbett, Blue Mountains City Council", that's the end ofthe second one. The beginning of the first one isunderneath, "Original task. Subject: asbestos registerupdate". Are you able to see that, Mr Greenwood?A. That's in the subject?

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Q. Yes, in the subject.A. Yeah, yeah.

Q. And there's a start date, a due date and then there'sa text, and it is a message from Mr Corbett toMr Cattermole setting a task, and the task is typed in, Iwon't read it all, but he seeks an update report on thework health and safety gap analysis. I'm just drawing itto your attention at the moment, but can you just confirmthat you've seen that entry?A. I'm just trying to find the bit you looked at. I'mstruggling with the bit you're trying to get me to look at.

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. Just down the bottom page, you see"Alan"?A. Yep, that's at the bottom, yeah.

MR SINGLETON: Q. So there's a message from --A. "Given the promise ...", yep.

THE COMMISSIONER: That's it.

THE WITNESS: Oh, I thought he said halfway down the page.Yep, I've got that.

MR SINGLETON: Q. That's a director asking his branchmanager to give him an update.A. Yes.

Q. Then if you go up the page to the next message,Mr Corbett sends an email to Mr Cattermole:

Alan, what is the status in the asbestosregister below...

Et cetera.A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. In the top email, Mr Cattermole asks Helen Halpin toadd "asbestos policy" to a council meeting.A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Just bear that in mind and go over to the nextdocument which has "Grace Edmonds" printed on the top, justto show she printed it.A. Yep.

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Q. At the bottom of the page, and running over to theback, you will see there's an email from the Department ofPremier and Cabinet sending the circular to all councils.A. Yes.

Q. Going up, you will see that, on behalf of thecorporate email address, a staff member has forwarded thisto a whole lot of people, including Alan Cattermole,yourself and many other managers.A. Mmm-hmm.

Q. Further up, you'll see, still on the same day, thatMr Cattermole tells Mr Corbett that this is rather timelyand "we will build this in our response".A. Yes.

Q. And at the top Mr Corbett says to Mr Cattermole,"that's good timing Steve", and confirms, in effect, thatthat's an appropriate course.

The third page that I've given you, a different emailchain commencing at the bottom of the first page andrunning over, it's in January 2013. Mr Cattermole, on17 January at 4.37pm, writes to his subordinate, GeorgeThompson, to say that the leadership team's raised manyquestions, he reiterates one - I won't ask you to read itall, just be aware that Mr Cattermole is communicating tohis subordinate.

Then later in the day Mr Thompson replies, beginningwith the words:

Steve is in the process of updating the airquality plan Gantt chart which will includeasbestos.

It's copied to Steve Kitching, and I'll suggest lateron that "Steve" is Kitching, and then Mr Cattermole says:

Great. Can I have a copy by the 25th,please.

I want to put a proposition to you about these emails.Does it appear that the managers below you, without copyingyou into their communications, were attempting to drivesome action on this issue?A. That's what it does indicate, yes.

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Q. I'll invite Mr Glover to consider just tendering thosedocuments in whatever way he sees fit.

MR GLOVER: Perhaps I should deal with that bundle now,Commissioner, given they're separate emails, tender themand propose that they be added to Exhibit 82.

THE COMMISSIONER: Right. I think they should go in asone bundle.

MR GLOVER: They can be separately marked, if moreconvenient.

THE COMMISSIONER: No, no, I think your suggestion's fine.Where's the statement, Mr Broad?

MR BROAD: (Indistinct).

THE COMMISSIONER: Excellent. So, have you had a chanceto look at the other documents?

MR GLOVER: Yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: Are they in a similar position?

MR GLOVER: The executive team minutes is.

THE COMMISSIONER: Does that go in 82 as well?

MR GLOVER: That can go as 82. The CS structure notes, Ithink, should probably be separately marked.

THE COMMISSIONER: Right, yes.

MR GLOVER: And I think that's all Mr Singleton hasreferred to so far.

MR SINGLETON: That's as far as I've got.

THE COMMISSIONER: We're waiting on this for a copy of thehandwritten (indistinct).

MR GLOVER: Oh, that is, yes. I think the handwrittenversion of that should probably be marked as a separateexhibit as well, rather than being added to 82.

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THE COMMISSIONER: It should. A document headed, "CSStructure Notes" which is undated will be Exhibit 106.

#EXHIBIT 106 - DOCUMENT HEADED "CS STRUCTURE NOTES",UNDATED.

THE COMMISSIONER: Document headed, "ExecutiveTeam Minutes" for a meeting held on Wednesday, 28 November2012 in the Jamieson Room 9.30am is part of Exhibit 82.

#EXHIBIT 82 - (ADDITION) DOCUMENT HEADED, "EXECUTIVETEAM MINUTES" FOR A MEETING HELD ON WEDNESDAY, 28 NOVEMBER2012 IN THE JAMIESON ROOM 9.30AM.

THE COMMISSIONER: Bundle of emails commencing with anemail from Alan Cattermole to Helen Halpin and two othersRe Asbestos Register Update sent on Monday, 10 November2012 at 10.26am is also part of Exhibit 82.

#EXHIBIT 82 - (ADDITION) BUNDLE OF EMAILS COMMENCING WITHAN EMAIL FROM ALAN CATTERMOLE TO HELEN HALPIN AND TWOOTHERS RE ASBESTOS REGISTER UPDATE SENT ON MONDAY,10 NOVEMBER 2012 AT 10.26AM.

THE COMMISSIONER: And document, including handwrittennotations, prepared by Mr Greenwood for the purposes ofgiving his evidence and headed, "Some of the safety andrisk initiatives implemented by GM", Exhibit 107.

#EXHIBIT 107 - DOCUMENT, INCLUDING HANDWRITTEN NOTATIONS,PREPARED BY MR GREENWOOD FOR THE PURPOSES OF GIVING HISEVIDENCE AND HEADED, "SOME OF THE SAFETY AND RISKINITIATIVES IMPLEMENTED BY GM".

MR SINGLETON: Thank you, Commissioner. I see it's fiveto four. There are, in my submission, two people whocount; the monitor and the witness. I'd expect to be halfan hour.

THE COMMISSIONER: Three people count, so do I not count?

MR SINGLETON: You and I don't count, we're paid to behere. But I'm just drawing attention to the time, I thinkI'll be half an hour or less to finish with this witness.

THE COMMISSIONER: Are you happy to stay on? You can'ttalk to me.

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What about you, would you prefer to stay on for halfan hour rather than come back?

THE WITNESS: I would.

MR SINGLETON: And I don't know why.

THE COMMISSIONER: Let's keep going.

MR SINGLETON: Q. Mr Greenwood, in the course of givingevidence you made reference to being told about a problemat the Katoomba out of hours facility, KOOSH. Was that anexample of a particular issue of significance coming upoutside of ordinary business, and then being elevated toyour level because of its importance?A. That's correct.

Q. I show you this document, I do it by agency. Doesthis appear to be a memorandum prepared from the citycommunity outcomes directorate to you to brief you on thissignificant issue?A. That's correct.

Q. I provide it to Mr Glover.

MR GLOVER: I tender it and submit that it be added toExhibit 82.

THE COMMISSIONER: Memorandum from Steve Keszler to RobertGreenwood dated 10 December 2013 Re "Timeline of asbestoscontamination located at rear of 6-8 and 10 Station Street,Katoomba" also part of Exhibit 82.

#EXHIBIT 82 - (ADDITION) MEMORANDUM FROM STEVE KESZLER TOROBERT GREENWOOD DATED 10 DECEMBER 2013 RE "TIMELINE OFASBESTOS CONTAMINATION LOCATED AT REAR OF 6-8 AND 10STATION STREET, KATOOMBA".

MR SINGLETON: Q. Mr Greenwood, I'm going to put athree-part proposition to see whether it is an accuratecharacterisation, even though simplification, of yourattention to asbestos management.

First, that from 2010 onwards you made safety aparticular priority generally as evidenced by your personalchairmanship of the PSSG.

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Secondly, that you and the staff generally wereaddressing the matters that turn out to have beeninadequately addressed, like preparing registers, preparingplans, preparing policies, albeit it wasn't done on time,and that the first time you became aware that there wasactual legal non-compliance was when you were served,through the organisation, with the improvement notice of22 May 2017; is that --A. That's correct.

Q. -- brief but fair?A. That's correct.

Q. That date, 22 May, was a Tuesday. You went to thedepots on the Thursday.A. Correct.

Q. You've given some evidence about that. Yourattention's been drawn to a memorandum that you sent to, Ithink, some managers and you were asked questions about,why not send it to all the workers, and you said some ofthem don't have email access, et cetera; and I merelyremind you of that to give context.

THE COMMISSIONER: Well, I think the witness also said itwas in the team brief.

THE WITNESS: Team brief.

MR SINGLETON: He did say that.

THE COMMISSIONER: And I think I would usually anticipatethat the general manager, in matters of importance thatrequire both information to be conveyed to staff and tomanagement, might send that information out in separateemails: one to management and one to staff.

MR SINGLETON: You're very perspicacious, with respect,but we'll prove it.

THE COMMISSIONER: Not the least, you don't want 700responses to every email you send out.

MR SINGLETON: No.

THE COMMISSIONER: Yeah.

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MR SINGLETON: Q. We've got too many of one and notenough of the other. I'm going to show you one whichhappens to have my initials on it and a bit ofhighlighting, but I'll just show you this document, it'sthe only one we have. Now that I don't have it in front ofme, is that an email initiated by you?

THE COMMISSIONER: Sorry, you don't have copies of thisone either?

MR SINGLETON: No, I've got too many copies of the nextone.

THE WITNESS: That's correct.

MR SINGLETON: I'll invite that to be given to Mr Gloverto consider it and then I'll get to the next one.

Q. What's the time and date of the email at the top?A. The one at the top is 29 May at 1.30.

Q. 1.30pm. I'm now going to show you an email chain forlater in the day and we'll distribute that. PerhapsMr Broad could provide the next one and retrieve the onethat's in your hands. Is this an email chain that, inshort, shows that Sarah-Jane Martin, executive assistantfor Service Delivery Directorate, forwarded your memorandumto a number of managers within that directorate, and thenan email from Rhett Hahn to his program managers later inthe day, with your memorandum actually stapled to thiscopy?A. Yes, that's correct.

MR SINGLETON: Yes, I also provide that for tender.

MR GLOVER: Can I just have the first one that was shownto the witness?

MR SINGLETON: Oh, I think Mr Broad was dealing with that.That was meant to go to Mr Glover.

THE COMMISSIONER: So, this is just an email setting outthe memorandum, yeah?

MR GLOVER: Yes.

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MR SINGLETON: Q. The point was, you've heard evidenceon another occasion that none of this ever happened.A. (Indistinct - overtalking).

Q. And that's as far as I'll go with that, other than fortranscript purposes make a cross-reference to the teambrief on a page within Exhibit 67, the team brief of May2017.

THE COMMISSIONER: Team brief, Exhibit 67, what page?

MR SINGLETON: Issue 55, May 2017.

THE COMMISSIONER: Issue 55. Hang on.

MR SINGLETON: They're not numbered, the pages.

THE COMMISSIONER: Right, I've got the email from Mr Hahnto Mr Moore, 29 May 2017, what do I do with that?

MR GLOVER: I tender that and submit it should be added to82.

THE COMMISSIONER: Two emails attaching memorandum to allservice delivery managers and others from (indistinct)dated 29 May 2017; the first email being from Rhett Hahn,to Tony Moore and others sent on 29 May 2017 at 4.57pm is apart of Exhibit 82.

#EXHIBIT 82 - (ADDITION) TWO EMAILS ATTACHING MEMORANDUM TOALL SERVICE DELIVERY MANAGERS AND OTHERS FROM ... DATED29 MAY 2017, THE FIRST EMAIL BEING FROM RHETT HAHN, TO TONYMOORE AND OTHERS SENT ON 29 MAY 2017 AT 4.57PM.

THE COMMISSIONER: Then I've just been handed this other.

MR GLOVER: Yes, that's the first email in this lot thatwas shown to the witness, the one that's only copied in, Itender that and submit it can be added to 82. We now havecopies.

MR SINGLETON: I've found that one now.

THE COMMISSIONER: Yes. Further two emails; the firstemail from Mark Bruhn to Robert Greenwood sent on 29 May2017 at 1.30pm is also part of Exhibit 82.

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#EXHIBIT 82 - (ADDITION) FURTHER TWO EMAILS; THE FIRSTEMAIL FROM MARK BRUHN TO ROBERT GREENWOOD SENT ON 29 MAY2017 AT 1.30PM.

MR SINGLETON: Yes, I provided an unmarked copy now. Itwas I who lost it temporarily.

In the interests of haste, I propose to provide toMr Glover and others copies of the ELT minutes for 10 May2017. I don't think we need to show Mr Greenwood thatdocument.

THE COMMISSIONER: This is just something you want totender?

MR SINGLETON: Yes, just as a part of the record of thehandwritten decision.

THE COMMISSIONER: Sorry, just while we're dealing withtenders. Mr Ryan, you asked the witness some questionsabout the asset management plans. Are you going toeventually tender that? Is it more convenient that youtender your documents through, when Councillor Brown givesher evidence? Would that suit you?

MR RYAN: That's something that we can do, yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: I think it's probably easier if we doit and just defer it till then. I can mark it foridentification.

MR RYAN: There are some extra pages in that particularhard copy than in the bundle.

THE COMMISSIONER: Document headed, "Asset managementplans part B" for the time being can be MFI-21.

#EXHIBIT MFI-21 - DOCUMENT HEADED, "ASSET MANAGEMENT PLANSPART B".

MR GLOVER: Whilst we're marking, I think Mr Greenwood wastaken to what is described as Councillor Brown's bundle;that's the bundle which has the statement of 18 February of577 pages; perhaps that can be marked for identification aswell.

THE COMMISSIONER: Yes. Bundle of documents attached to

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Councillor Brown's statement dated 18 February 2020 will beMFI-22.

#EXHIBIT MFI-22 - BUNDLE OF DOCUMENTS ATTACHED TOCOUNCILLOR BROWN'S STATEMENT DATED 18 FEBRUARY 2020.

THE COMMISSIONER: What's happening with that?

MR SINGLETON: The ELT minutes?

MR GLOVER: Yes, I propose to tender them. They've madetheir way up to you.

MR SINGLETON: I've got more copies here. For those wholater read the transcript, we particularly draw attentionto item 6.2 on the second page of the minutes.

THE COMMISSIONER: Right. What's the date of this? Isee, right, yep. So, that relates to Centium, does it?Would they be the specialist?

MR SINGLETON: I would have to check. Certainly Centiumwere retained a short time later.

THE COMMISSIONER: Yes, you're quite right, it might justbe that no specialist had been selected yet, but yes.

MR SINGLETON: Yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: Executive leadership team minutes forthe meeting of Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 9.30am at theJamieson Room will be Exhibit 82.

#EXHIBIT 82 - (ADDITION) EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP TEAM MINUTESFOR THE MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, 10 MAY 2017 AT 9.30AM AT THEJAMIESON ROOM.

MR SINGLETON: Thank you, Commissioner.

Q. You set up the asbestos management project team on atemporary basis specifically to exert itself to respondingto the improvement notice, and you sent out an email thatlisted the members of the team, and that email to all staffis already in evidence. One of the people that was on itwas Gary Johnston. He appears only to have attended onemeeting and then to have declined to be a member or toparticipate after that, notwithstanding his great interest

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in the topic. Do you, from your perspective as chief ofthe organisation, have a perspective on why he declined toparticipate further?A. Well, he didn't - he didn't talk to me about why heleft the team. He was on the team - he was on the teambecause, after he came and saw me with his - with theissues that he raised, I then contacted him and asked himif he - because of his interests in the asbestos matter andhis knowledge, I thought he would be a good candidate forthe team and I'd be prepared to add him to the team, and heat the time was - thought that was a great idea, and hedid, he joined the team, and then left the team without anydiscussion with me. I don't know the exact reason why,because he didn't actually tell me.

Q. I appreciate he didn't tell you, so you do not know,but from your perspective have you been able to draw aninference as to the likely reason, given you're knowledgeof the organisation?A. I think he had pressure put on him by his manager notto participate; that's my assumption.

Q. His branch manager?A. M'mm.

THE COMMISSIONER: Who is that?

MR SINGLETON: Q. Who is that?A. Mr Hahn.

Q. Did Mr Johnston --

THE COMMISSIONER: Sorry.

Q. Now, that inference is drawn from what, though,Mr Greenwood?A. My - just my - my own gut feel about it.

Q. I don't mean this disrespectfully, but I'm not suregut feel really helps me. There must be something more -perhaps I'll approach it this way: what's that gut feelingbased on?A. Um, just --

Q. It either had something to do with Mr Hahn orMr Johnston?A. Well, Mr Johnston was very keen to be on committee.

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Q. Yep?A. And all of a sudden he's --

Q. So, he was keen to be on it, and Mr --A. And the other - the other --

Q. Had you asked him to be on it?A. The other inference was that Mr Hahn was asked to beon the committee, and through his director refused to be onthe committee. I would have insisted he was on it, but I'mnot his director but --

Q. Were you provided with a reason why he refused to beon it?A. No, that was between him and his director.

Q. Okay, and moving back to Mr Johnston leaving thisgroup or team - what's it called, group or team?

MR SINGLETON: Team.

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. Team. In terms of you feelingthough he may have been either encouraged or told byMr Hahn not to participate in it, is there somethingfurther that you can assist me with in terms of why youfeel that?A. Only that Mr Johnston's - in my - when I asked him, hewas exceptionally keen to be on it, very enthusiastic andhad a lot to offer, and then just - just disappeared off itwithout any comment whatsoever. I mean, he didn't comeback to me, that's all I've got to go off, it's just my gutfeel.

MR SINGLETON: Q. Sorry, did Mr Johnston tell you abouta conversation he had in a supermarket with someone?A. Well, the inference was when he came to see meabout --

Q. Well just, did he tell you about a conversation at asupermarket?A. Um, that's - he did, he did tell me.

Q. Who did he tell you the conversation was with?A. Well, the conversation was with Rebecca Rafter.

Q. And what did he tell you?

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A. Well, he told me that she told him that he needed towatch his backside, that Bruhn was out to get him.

Q. And, do you have any --

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. Sorry, who was out to get him?A. Mark Bruhn.

Q. Right. Mr Bruhn was the director of city services, isthat correct?

MR SINGLETON: Correct, yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: Was that Service Delivery by thatstage?

MR SINGLETON: That's right, correct.

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. Did you ever have any discussionswith Mr Bruhn about Mr Johnston and what Mr Bruhn'sfeelings were towards Mr Johnston as a competent(indistinct - overtalking) or --A. Well, there's - two things happened --

Q. -- (indistinct - overtalking).A. Two things happened: one is, Mr Johnston didn't wantme to take it further. I asked him, "Do you want me totake this up? Is this a grievance?" The union was there,is this a grievance? He says we can't, this is not - wecan't have hearsay. He says, do you want to put agrievance, do you want to take this further? And he said"No". And Mr Liddell then said - agreed that he would takeup some of the other issues in his memo with him at theappropriate time, and the union and he didn't want to takeit any further, the union didn't even write to me about thematter.

THE COMMISSIONER: Thank you.

MR SINGLETON: Q. You generally take the view that thedirectors of the directorates should manage their managers?A. That's correct.

Q. But did you have Mr Hahn into your office for directmanagement on a couple of occasions?A. I did have reason to bring him along.

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Q. Could you briefly tell us why you did that and what itwas about?A. One occasion was, he turned up late for the leadershipdevelopment program, and then failed really to participatein the day, so I took him to task about it, first of allbeing late, and the fact that he wasn't participatingappropriately in the program that we'd spent a lot of moneyon.

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. Sorry, when was this?A. Probably in 2016.

MR SINGLETON: Did you have occasion --A. And I got another occasion I got him in to talk tohim: I didn't feel that he was giving appropriate supportto his director, the new director, and that his - membersof his team --

THE COMMISSIONER: Q. The new director is Mr Bruhn?A. The new director, Mr Bruhn, that's correct. And thatmembers of his team weren't - their behaviour at - as bestvalue decision-making team, where the council had broughtin to look at projects, new projects where we were adding -providing money to directorates that addressed the rateincrease, this is about the behaviour of the teams and --

Q. When did Mr Bruhn commence at council, approximately?A. He commenced at council probably in 2014, I think, asa manager.

Q. And --

MR RYAN: Commissioner, I object. What's the relevance ofthis?

THE COMMISSIONER: Um, you're objecting to me asking aquestion?

MR RYAN: No, I'm objecting to the direction of thequestions.

THE COMMISSIONER: Overruled. Um --

MR RYAN: From Mr Singleton and the relevance to themanagement of asbestos.

THE COMMISSIONER: There is clearly an issue here that

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Mr Singleton's trying to explore concerning, at a minimum,[redacted]'s involvement in --

MR SINGLETON: Careful. Witness 2.

THE COMMISSIONER: The reference to Witness 2. There'sno-one in the room, is there? No, there's not.Witness 2's - hang on.

MR SINGLETON: No, I may have blown that.

THE COMMISSIONER: Yeah, I think you jumped the gun; I'mgun shy.

There's clearly an issue about the non-conformancereports, and what's subsequently happened in Witness 2'srole concerning asbestos management, and there's obviouslybeen some questions asked and some evidence given, which Ican't place a great deal of wait on at the moment becauseof the nature of it, that Mr Hahn may have - we don't knowyet, it hasn't been put to him, so I'm not making afinding but the suggestion is, albeit more based onspeculation than anything - that Mr Hahn was not at leastencouraging Witness 2 To maintain himself in an asbestosteam, and Mr Hahn didn't want to be involved himself, whichis direct evidence from this witness, so I think this isstill generally relevant.

Now, what I wanted to know, and in terms of yourobjection, I really don't know how it's really got anythingto do with your client's interests.

Q. But what I wanted to know was, Mr Bruhn you've saidfirst started in 2014, about, to your memory? 2014,Mr Bruhn?A. Yeah, I think --

Q. Not as the director of Service Delivery at the time?A. No, as a manager.

Q. Then he became director of Service Delivery in 2016?A. 16, that's correct.

Q. Was that a position in relation to which there wasmore than one candidate?A. It was.

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Q. Was Mr Hahn a candidate for the job?A. No, he wasn't.

Q. Did Mr Bruhn become the director of the ServiceDelivery in about 2016?A. Yes.

Q. On your observations, or on the basis of evidenceprovided to you, did Mr Hahn and Mr Bruhn have a goodworking relationship, or would you describe it otherwisethan that?A. I would describe it as otherwise.

Q. And how would you describe it?A. Well, I think that Mr Hahn - my view was that he wastrying to undermine the director and --

Q. This was part of the reason you got him in the secondtime?A. Part of the reason I got him in the second time.

Q. And --A. And went through with the issues with - he was verydisappointed when his director left.

Q. Was that Mr Drew?A. Mr Drew. He was going to apply for the job and hedidn't. Then, as I said, his behaviour in turning up atthe leadership program late and not participatingappropriately, his directorate refusing to do things thatthe organisation had asked them to do in terms of preparingthe budget; behaviour in terms of not taking the council'spolicy to a traffic committee meeting in relation to AnzacDay.

So, these were things, cumulatively things, whilst Iwasn't his director, his director was actually off ill, Ithought it was impacting the organisation, I got him in tohave a discussion about those things and his behaviour andthe behaviour of some of his team.

Q. Right, okay. Was he responsive to that?A. Um, well, he was - he didn't agree with my propositionthat he wasn't, but he did acknowledge some of the thingsthat had happened through the team.

THE COMMISSIONER: Okay, thank you, that's all I wanted to

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take up, so you can proceed, Mr Singleton.

MR SINGLETON: Thank you, Commissioner.

Q. Mr Hahn was transferred for about 12 months fromService Delivery, under its old name, to city and communityoutcomes to replace Mr Cattermole as the asset branchmanager.A. That's correct.

Q. Did you have a broader strategy with respect toMr Hahn's career, of which that was a --A. He indicated to me that he would - he had aspirationsto be the director, and I indicated to him that he wouldneed to broaden his base from being purely operational, andthere was the opportunity in the other directorate to dothe asset work, and I encouraged him to take that up forthe 12 months, and he did.

Q. On your analysis, there's a distinction to be drawnbetween strategic management of assets and operationalwork?A. That's correct.

Q. And broadly speaking, C&CO did the former and ServiceDelivery were doing the latter?A. That's correct.

Q. Did you take steps to encourage City Services, orService Delivery, to develop some strategic capacity?A. Well, we actually trained all our staff. Weintroduced the project management program and theleadership program which we took down to very low levels ofsupervision; all of that was to develop up staff so thatthey became more project and strategically oriented so thatthey could actually align with the business, become morebusiness-like rather than busy being busy, being morestrategic and deliver on the aspirations of the council,particularly as it related to the special rate variationand spending money wisely; that was one of the outcomes ofthe special rate variation. The community said, well, theywere prepared to accept an increase in rates, but theywanted to know they were getting value for money, and allof these improvements were to lift the level of theorganisation so we were business-like in delivering ourservices, and that was to give the staff the skills to beable to do it.

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Q. Was there a project to redesign or re-engineer theentrance to the Blaxland waste facility?A. There was, and the whole way we operated the facilityas - it's really about - it's resource recovery more totake waste out of the waste stream rather than have itgoing to the tip.

Q. Was that project to redesign the tip, as I havesummarised it, something you would classify as a strategicproject management or a bit of operational work?A. Well, it's a significant project. It's a significantproject which takes skills; it's not like a maintenanceproject, it takes skills in terms of project development,specification, tendering, and project management.

Q. To which directorate did you assign that project?A. That project was to the City Services Directorate.

Q. How did it go?A. Well, they --

Q. Briefly?A. They didn't get the specification done on time, or bein a position to let for tender, and I had to take thatproject from that directorate and put it in the specialprojects in C&CO.

Q. Speaking of the attempt to expand City Services to amore strategic capacity, did Mr Drew have a discussion withyou where he gave you some feedback about the need for thisand whom he had consulted before giving you that feedback?A. Just - what's the question? I think, as I say, did hehave a - did he have a discussion with me about developingthe skills of the staff?

Q. Yes?A. No, that was an initiative through the workforcestrategy and through Mr Liddell and myself.

Q. Did you have a discussion with Mr Drew about whetherthere was a need to change the practices of City Servicesto develop their capacity?A. Yes, certainly.

Q. Did he, in that discussion, mention that he hadconsulted with one of his managers and got an opinion?

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A. That was the - no, no, not in relation to developingup the skills, no. It was --

Q. It sounds like you recognise that was in relation tosomething else?A. That was in relation to the change in the structure.

Q. What was the comment?A. What I tried to do was to engage the director in thatrestructure to try and facilitate the directorate, so tomove forward in terms of running business and projects,tenders and the like, but the feedback from the directorwas that they thought the directorate was just fine as itis and conferred with Mr Hahn and they thought that thedirectorate was just going fine.

Q. Was a review or audit - I'm not being precise aboutwhich term to use - but was some kind of review conductedof the weighbridge operation at the Springwood Depot?A. There was a proposal, the EPA asked the council - itwas going to start licensing our facilities as it relatedto recycling, and as a result of that we then had to do afull assessment of that project, and through that analysiswe determined that, first of all, that the land use wasn'tlegal; and also that, on that basis, the weighbridge - wewouldn't be putting the weighbridge in, and that met withresistance from the directorate, and through - I think itwas through our governance and risk, we determined that theproject was a high risk for the council and that therewasn't any way that we could continue with the recyclingdepot, so that was not well taken by the City Services, butyou know, we ran it through our risks and obviously ourgovernance, and determined that there was no way that thecouncil could continue with that service.

Q. The recycling service was actually in operation andyou closed it down?A. That's correct.

Q. At that time the operation was being conducted by theCity Services Directorate?A. That's correct.

Q. And at that time Mr Drew was the director?A. That's correct.

Q. And Mr Hahn was the relevant branch manager?

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A. That's correct.

Q. And the governance of risk were in a different - theywere in the group known as people and systems?A. Well, the governance - no, the governance and risk wasa steering group chaired by Rosemary Dillon and had othermanagers and directors on it; that was to overview ourgovernance and our risk register I think. They would thenstart to look at the audits that were carried out and thenthey would actually keep an eye on it and manage that theaudits were actually implemented.

Q. I'm going to show you a document which we willcirculate. I put it on the record now for time's sake: amemo to Mr Greenwood from group manager people and systems,7 April 2016. "Subject: Concerns Regarding the DirectorCity Services." Just have a quick look, Mr Greenwood. Doyou recognise this document?A. I do.

Q. Does it provide you with some of the documentary basisfor what became the end of Mr Drew's time at the council?A. Mr Drew's there in the council, subject toconfidentiality, I am really struggling to really commenton - we'd signed a document, a confidentiality document -to talk about it really, but I don't - I'll be guided byothers.

Q. We will invite Mr Glover to make this a confidentialexhibit if he sees fit, and in due course withoutsuggesting that needs to be done now.

THE COMMISSIONER: What's the issue that goes to? Isthere something in here that I should --

MR SINGLETON: There's no particular thing. Theparticular important thing is the signature at the end andthe person who signed the document. But ultimately it goesto the evidence about those non-conformance reports.

MR GLOVER: Perhaps if it can be made a confidential MFIand I'll have an offline discussion with my learned friend.

THE COMMISSIONER: I think, rather than trying to dealwith it now.

MR SINGLETON: I don't suggest he should.

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THE COMMISSIONER: Confidential memorandum dated 7 April2016, file:SCL:50 for the time being is confidentialMFI-23.

#EXHIBIT MFI-23 - CONFIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM DATED 7 APRIL2016, FILE:SCL:50.

MR SINGLETON: The final thing to do with Mr Greenwood isto show him another three-paged document. We will beinviting you to make it a confidential MFI at this stage.

Q. Mr Greenwood, I appreciate that you may be notexpecting this, but do you recognise this to be a photocopyof an envelope that arrived at your personal home, aphotocopy of the document that was inside, and then thethird sheet a photocopy of a statement you made to police?A. That's correct.

MR SINGLETON: I ask the inquiry to make that aconfidential MFI for later consideration.

THE COMMISSIONER: Hang on a second. I'm happy to make ita confidential MFI, but ...

MR SINGLETON: I can tell you what it's about, in discreteterms.

THE COMMISSIONER: Why don't you tell Mr Glover what it'sabout.

MR SINGLETON: Yes, absolutely, that's why I'm making itan MFI.

THE COMMISSIONER: For what it's worth, I'll make thethree-paged document, the second page of which is headedwith the initials "RKG", confidential MFI-24.

#EXHIBIT MFI-24 - THREE-PAGED DOCUMENT, THE SECOND PAGE OFWHICH IS HEADED WITH THE INITIALS "RKG".

MR SINGLETON: Commissioner, that's all I had forMr Greenwood. I apologise for the haste.

THE COMMISSIONER: No, no. All right, who's the nextwitness tomorrow morning?

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MR GLOVER: It will be one or --

THE COMMISSIONER: I withdraw the question, tell me later.

MR GLOVER: Mr Keyes or Mr Lund. I'm just notsure which order they're going to present themselves, butit'll be one of those gentlemen.

ARBITRATOR: Thank you for coming, Mr Greenwood, you'reexcused, and I'll adjourn until 10am tomorrow.

(Witness excused)

<(THE WITNESS WITHDREW)

MR SINGLETON: Commissioner, can I raise a very briefhousekeeping matter?

THE COMMISSIONER: Yes, you can.

MR SINGLETON: It should be raised earlier rather than atthe end of the hearings. We will make a proposal - andI've mentioned it to Mr Glover, not to verbal him - thatwhen we call adjourn for submissions there should be amechanism for any of us, meaning the three of us here atthe Bar table, to propose additional documents for evidenceby order in chambers because, as we write our submissions,we might find that a small document or a small point can'tbe proved, like the date someone commenced or somethinglike that; potentially more significant, of course.

THE COMMISSIONER: Yes, within bounds that would beacceptable.

MR SINGLETON: We wouldn't mind you --

THE COMMISSIONER: Obviously, if someone thought it was agood idea to give 3,000 pages of documents after the - I'msure no-one would, but I'm sure, given the nature of thisinquiry here, yes, evidence can be received if it's ofassistance.

MR SINGLETON: It just seems to me, we're trying to dothings expeditiously like that.

THE COMMISSIONER: No, I agree. Yes, that's fine, we'llfashion an order --

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MR SINGLETON: I didn't want to surprise you at the end.

THE COMMISSIONER: And no doubt you can all give somethought as to how it can be drafted so as to discourage itbeing abused.

MR SINGLETON: Yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: All right, thank you, we'll adjourntill 10 tomorrow.

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1504:32, 1504:42,

1505:13, 1507:19,

1508:11

6-8 [2] - 1520:32,

1520:37

6.2 [1] - 1525:16

659 [1] - 1459:8

66 [1] - 1504:11

660 [1] - 1462:29

67 [2] - 1523:7,

1523:10

69 [1] - 1405:39

6am [1] - 1499:45

7

7 [8] - 1428:12,

1442:8, 1471:9,

1498:39, 1498:42,

1535:16, 1536:2,

1536:6

70 [11] - 1407:10,

1462:11, 1467:19,

1467:21, 1494:31,

1494:35, 1504:11,

1504:13, 1504:15,

1504:27, 1504:30

700 [1] - 1521:42

7am [1] - 1459:2

8

8 [7] - 1453:5,

1453:33, 1463:32,

1464:16, 1464:19,

1466:10, 1513:17

80 [1] - 1484:31

82 [23] - 1404:28,

1450:35, 1450:37,

1485:46, 1518:7,

1518:29, 1518:31,

1518:46, 1519:9,

1519:11, 1519:18,

1519:20, 1520:28,

1520:33, 1520:35,

1523:22, 1523:28,

1523:30, 1523:39,

1523:46, 1524:1,

1525:32, 1525:34

9

9.30am [2] - 1519:9,

1525:31

9.30AM [2] - 1519:13,

1525:35

95 [1] - 1464:26

96 [1] - 1408:19

A

ability [1] - 1492:22

able [13] - 1406:41,

1429:1, 1429:6,

1431:4, 1442:32,

1455:42, 1475:22,

1481:7, 1493:13,

1501:43, 1515:45,

1526:17, 1532:47

abrogate [2] -

1431:17, 1431:21

Absolutely [2] -

1464:45, 1488:32

absolutely [7] -

1418:11, 1421:13,

1422:14, 1429:44,

1446:5, 1466:2,

1536:32

absorbed [1] -

1511:38

abused [1] - 1538:6

accept [1] - 1532:42

acceptable [1] -

1537:33

accepted [1] - 1508:26

access [4] - 1413:33,

1490:2, 1504:46,

1521:23

accommodation [2] -

1421:29, 1426:29

accompanying [1] -

1479:29

accord [1] - 1468:24

according [1] -

1473:24

accountabilities [1] -

1470:46

accurate [7] -

1412:30, 1444:1,

1454:17, 1478:29,

1495:42, 1496:44,

1520:41

achieve [1] - 1465:6

achievements [1] -

1513:24

acknowledge [1] -

1531:44

acknowledges [1] -

1477:32

ACM [4] - 1428:14,

1470:25, 1473:13,

1474:1

ACMs [2] - 1417:27,

1417:29

ACT [1] - 1403:13

Act [13] - 1455:20,

1457:3, 1457:13,

1478:11, 1483:41,

1484:11, 1487:5,

1487:6, 1491:10,

1491:46, 1503:27,

1507:29

Act" [1] - 1484:12

acting [3] - 1426:43,

1426:44, 1509:31

action [10] - 1414:10,

1450:2, 1450:6,

1450:7, 1453:25,

1463:42, 1463:43,

1499:41, 1504:34,

1517:46

actioned [1] - 1440:41

Actions [1] - 1469:47

actions [8] - 1442:28,

1442:30, 1442:31,

1449:39, 1449:44,

1460:22, 1460:33,

1470:11

activity [1] - 1441:6

actual [4] - 1431:15,

1470:42, 1473:20,

1521:7

ad [1] - 1466:38

Adams [1] - 1476:34

add [3] - 1464:8,

1516:40, 1526:10

added [5] - 1518:7,

1518:46, 1520:27,

1523:21, 1523:39

adding [1] - 1529:23

ADDITION [6] -

1519:11, 1519:20,

1520:35, 1523:30,

.18/03/2020 (17)


2

1524:1, 1525:34

additional [2] -

1510:33, 1537:26

address [6] - 1440:44,

1443:23, 1446:38,

1447:26, 1460:9,

1517:7

addressed [5] -

1440:37, 1443:19,

1446:37, 1521:4,

1529:24

addressing [3] -

1430:45, 1444:12,

1521:3

adjourn [4] - 1466:45,

1537:10, 1537:24,

1538:10

ADJOURNED [1] -

1538:13

adjournment [1] -

1510:39

ADJOURNMENT [2] -

1439:28, 1466:47

administrative [1] -

1506:19

adopted [8] - 1409:28,

1414:45, 1435:25,

1437:34, 1442:39,

1464:5, 1465:17,

1491:43

adoption [2] -

1414:24, 1474:12

advance [1] - 1415:17

advancing [2] -

1411:38, 1415:10

adverse [1] - 1415:34

advice [2] - 1406:33,

1437:34

advise [2] - 1462:42,

1462:43

advised [4] - 1443:21,

1472:24, 1496:25,

1497:35

advising [1] - 1500:46

affected [1] - 1504:4

affects [1] - 1458:27

agency [1] - 1520:19

agenda [25] - 1416:18,

1421:13, 1445:45,

1459:1, 1459:13,

1462:13, 1467:22,

1467:27, 1467:33,

1495:1, 1495:3,

1496:45, 1499:5,

1499:24, 1500:21,

1500:29, 1500:35,

1504:1, 1504:31,

1504:32, 1505:22,

1505:29, 1505:31,

1507:18

ago [5] - 1421:6,

1446:21, 1450:47,

1462:1, 1513:24

agree [31] - 1412:45,

1414:9, 1425:13,

1425:33, 1425:37,

1425:39, 1427:47,

1429:38, 1431:5,

1431:33, 1431:37,

1431:38, 1433:39,

1445:7, 1454:27,

1475:22, 1477:39,

1477:47, 1478:2,

1478:4, 1481:40,

1482:35, 1482:40,

1483:41, 1484:15,

1497:40, 1505:43,

1507:33, 1507:36,

1531:43, 1537:46

agreed [9] - 1412:22,

1429:36, 1430:11,

1469:40, 1486:22,

1503:19, 1504:33,

1507:9, 1528:32

ahead [16] - 1404:28,

1404:38, 1405:39,

1408:19, 1418:29,

1428:7, 1434:21,

1438:6, 1441:31,

1442:2, 1446:11,

1471:8, 1480:41,

1481:13, 1481:26,

1483:38

air [1] - 1517:33

Airsafe [5] - 1414:1,

1428:7, 1428:16,

1428:17, 1428:18

ALAN [1] - 1519:21

Alan [5] - 1515:26,

1516:15, 1516:33,

1517:8, 1519:16

alarm [1] - 1418:9

albeit [2] - 1521:5,

1530:22

alert [2] - 1476:2,

1492:31

align [1] - 1532:36

ALL [1] - 1523:31

allocated [4] -

1406:11, 1406:30,

1411:34, 1488:17

allocating [1] -

1482:47

allocation [2] -

1406:24, 1422:5

allow [2] - 1426:28,

1471:2

allowed [1] - 1506:17

allowing [1] - 1492:19

almost [4] - 1419:11,

1443:33, 1444:5,

1460:46

alternate [1] - 1456:42

alternative [1] -

1426:29

amazing [1] - 1422:14

amended [2] - 1419:6,

1436:47

AMP [5] - 1407:20,

1407:27, 1417:28,

1417:34, 1468:3

AN [1] - 1519:21

analysis [15] -

1404:31, 1404:45,

1432:37, 1435:15,

1436:25, 1436:33,

1482:13, 1482:19,

1489:43, 1491:14,

1491:16, 1508:16,

1516:8, 1532:20,

1534:23

AND [6] - 1519:21,

1519:32, 1520:37,

1523:31, 1523:33

announced [2] -

1422:18, 1463:32

announcing [1] -

1463:37

answer [17] - 1411:38,

1415:3, 1421:6,

1423:32, 1424:45,

1436:31, 1442:34,

1444:29, 1450:9,

1462:1, 1465:30,

1474:24, 1487:26,

1492:7, 1502:32,

1505:34, 1507:22

answers [1] - 1486:21

anticipate [1] -

1521:33

anyway [3] - 1423:26,

1458:23, 1508:5

Anzac [1] - 1531:33

apart [3] - 1472:40,

1504:4, 1510:29

apologise [1] -

1536:43

appear [2] - 1517:44,

1520:20

appearing [1] -

1477:45

applicable [1] -

1437:28

application [1] -

1483:33

apply [4] - 1469:23,

1469:34, 1506:41,

1531:27

appointed [1] -

1511:42

appointment [1] -

1509:32

appreciate [4] -

1410:33, 1441:5,

1526:16, 1536:13

appreciating [1] -

1425:41

approach [16] -

1411:46, 1417:15,

1418:36, 1426:40,

1431:36, 1435:1,

1443:43, 1444:6,

1444:7, 1445:26,

1447:9, 1449:27,

1454:36, 1475:4,

1475:10, 1526:41

appropriate [9] -

1421:1, 1440:34,

1450:1, 1450:2,

1450:6, 1478:12,

1517:19, 1528:34,

1529:15

appropriately [4] -

1426:44, 1442:43,

1529:7, 1531:30

approval [6] - 1420:3,

1420:4, 1420:14,

1437:24, 1437:26,

1437:30

approvals [3] -

1422:7, 1466:27

approve [1] - 1416:15

approved [1] -

1415:47

April [7] - 1404:31,

1408:5, 1413:40,

1414:4, 1428:7,

1535:16, 1536:2

APRIL [1] - 1536:6

ARBITRATOR [1] -

1537:9

area [20] - 1407:6,

1410:12, 1415:17,

1416:3, 1417:18,

1418:14, 1418:27,

1423:46, 1423:47,

1424:24, 1424:25,

1433:45, 1435:38,

1435:40, 1435:43,

1436:22, 1436:28,

1464:6, 1465:31,

1472:46

areas [6] - 1405:21,

1411:27, 1415:38,

1430:12, 1434:13,

1472:36

arising [3] - 1426:24,

1441:27, 1441:36

arose [2] - 1425:42,

1426:21

arranged [1] - 1494:46

arrangement [3] -

1471:15, 1471:22

arrangements [1] -

1468:30

arrived [2] - 1434:10,

1536:15

arriving [1] - 1441:21

Asbestos [9] -

1419:26, 1425:21,

1431:43, 1462:31,

1467:8, 1469:46,

1477:2, 1484:43,

1519:17

ASBESTOS [3] -

1478:42, 1519:22,

1520:37

asbestos [156] -

1405:21, 1405:28,

1405:32, 1405:40,

1405:44, 1405:46,

1406:47, 1407:11,

1407:19, 1407:38,

1408:7, 1408:20,

1408:36, 1409:17,

1409:28, 1411:42,

1412:17, 1412:35,

1412:41, 1413:1,

1414:23, 1414:36,

1414:39, 1415:18,

1416:40, 1416:44,

1416:46, 1417:8,

1417:14, 1417:15,

1417:35, 1417:44,

1417:46, 1418:4,

1418:10, 1418:36,

1419:42, 1420:25,

1420:38, 1425:15,

1426:10, 1426:40,

1427:1, 1431:36,

1434:20, 1434:24,

1434:30, 1435:22,

1438:38, 1440:11,

1441:14, 1441:23,

1442:29, 1442:37,

1442:39, 1443:11,

1443:32, 1443:43,

1445:27, 1447:4,

1447:9, 1447:22,

1448:12, 1448:18,

1448:23, 1449:27,

1452:46, 1453:19,

1453:41, 1454:25,

1454:36, 1459:26,

1459:41, 1459:47,

1462:20, 1462:39,

1462:40, 1463:32,

1465:39, 1465:42,

1466:39, 1467:34,

1468:23, 1468:30,

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1471:14, 1471:28,

1472:3, 1472:18,

1472:30, 1472:41,

1472:47, 1473:27,

1474:12, 1474:13,

1475:4, 1475:36,

1475:46, 1476:2,

1476:5, 1476:9,

1476:14, 1476:23,

1476:34, 1476:39,

1478:3, 1478:11,

1478:12, 1478:18,

1478:39, 1483:18,

1483:23, 1485:29,

1486:5, 1487:11,

1488:35, 1488:36,

1489:9, 1489:33,

1490:19, 1491:40,

1491:43, 1491:45,

1491:47, 1492:1,

1492:3, 1492:20,

1492:30, 1492:33,

1495:11, 1495:45,

1496:14, 1496:17,

1496:22, 1500:24,

1500:27, 1500:29,

1500:34, 1501:5,

1501:38, 1504:33,

1504:36, 1505:35,

1505:45, 1514:21,

1515:21, 1515:44,

1516:33, 1516:40,

1517:35, 1520:31,

1520:43, 1525:40,

1526:8, 1529:45,

1530:17, 1530:24

ascertain [1] -

1453:22

aspect [3] - 1411:42,

1411:47, 1509:42

aspects [2] - 1412:2,

1430:45

aspirations [2] -

1532:13, 1532:38

assess [1] - 1509:35

assessment [2] -

1436:3, 1534:23

asset [13] - 1423:39,

1424:2, 1473:9,

1473:10, 1483:21,

1483:24, 1483:27,

1484:36, 1524:21,

1524:35, 1532:7,

1532:17

ASSET [1] - 1524:38

Assets [1] - 1427:35

assets [11] - 1407:27,

1407:34, 1416:14,

1427:21, 1428:15,

1473:13, 1473:27,

1473:47, 1474:1,

1512:30, 1532:21

assign [1] - 1533:17

assigned [2] -

1407:43, 1470:46

assist [5] - 1422:9,

1431:3, 1443:16,

1460:30, 1527:26

assistance [2] -

1415:30, 1537:41

assistant [2] - 1510:8,

1522:27

assisting [5] - 1404:6,

1419:31, 1499:5,

1504:31, 1508:25

assisting's [1] -

1506:16

assists [1] - 1408:41

associated [2] -

1432:44, 1485:14

association [1] -

1432:45

assume [8] - 1405:36,

1413:43, 1416:10,

1439:43, 1466:20,

1481:41, 1482:18,

1484:18

assuming [1] -

1482:30

assumption [1] -

1526:21

assurances [2] -

1452:45, 1453:2

AT [8] - 1519:23,

1520:37, 1523:33,

1524:3, 1525:35,

1538:13, 1538:14

attached [3] -

1438:42, 1442:3,

1524:47

ATTACHED [1] -

1525:4

attaching [2] -

1474:32, 1523:24

ATTACHING [1] -

1523:30

attachment [1] -

1434:21

attempt [1] - 1533:29

attempted [1] -

1444:21

attempting [1] -

1517:45

attend [2] - 1463:28,

1493:33

attended [6] -

1442:11, 1461:35,

1463:27, 1493:29,

1493:32, 1525:45

attending [1] -

1446:15

attention [17] -

1432:5, 1434:30,

1438:39, 1439:39,

1439:45, 1440:38,

1440:44, 1460:14,

1462:41, 1466:20,

1486:8, 1488:20,

1495:5, 1516:9,

1519:43, 1520:43,

1525:15

attention's [1] -

1521:20

attitude [1] - 1445:14

audit [29] - 1413:17,

1413:18, 1413:26,

1413:39, 1414:1,

1414:4, 1414:14,

1414:19, 1432:44,

1459:42, 1492:45,

1493:5, 1493:10,

1493:14, 1493:15,

1493:16, 1493:17,

1493:19, 1493:21,

1493:29, 1493:47,

1494:22, 1494:23,

1494:28, 1495:11,

1495:45, 1497:2,

1497:10, 1534:17

audited [1] - 1455:7

audits [8] - 1414:14,

1414:16, 1453:41,

1454:25, 1473:43,

1473:44, 1535:9,

1535:11

August [9] - 1412:22,

1412:46, 1413:40,

1413:47, 1414:5,

1427:11, 1427:13,

1436:12, 1471:9

author [3] - 1415:44,

1416:5, 1416:10

authorisation [1] -

1428:11

authorised [1] -

1428:12

authorities [2] -

1418:2, 1418:14

available [4] -

1430:21, 1447:43,

1458:5, 1459:44

award [1] - 1481:33

aware [66] - 1405:25,

1405:29, 1405:31,

1405:33, 1406:4,

1406:6, 1407:38,

1408:6, 1408:28,

1408:32, 1408:35,

1409:2, 1409:6,

1410:34, 1413:6,

1413:7, 1414:19,

1414:31, 1414:35,

1414:39, 1415:9,

1420:23, 1420:28,

1425:29, 1426:13,

1428:38, 1428:40,

1431:44, 1431:47,

1432:2, 1432:3,

1432:4, 1432:7,

1435:28, 1438:41,

1439:44, 1440:1,

1440:23, 1441:37,

1441:42, 1441:47,

1449:35, 1450:5,

1460:5, 1461:6,

1461:8, 1468:7,

1469:24, 1476:17,

1478:25, 1488:21,

1488:35, 1491:42,

1491:44, 1491:47,

1493:45, 1493:47,

1496:16, 1505:3,

1505:16, 1505:32,

1505:36, 1506:39,

1517:27, 1521:6

awareness [1] -

1426:43

B

B" [1] - 1524:39

backburner [1] -

1421:14

background [2] -

1423:14, 1432:41

backside [1] - 1528:2

banks [1] - 1421:33

Bar [1] - 1537:26

barrages [1] - 1421:37

barrister [1] - 1506:21

base [1] - 1532:15

based [4] - 1419:24,

1428:13, 1526:42,

1530:22

basic [1] - 1411:23

basis [7] - 1417:29,

1461:35, 1471:3,

1525:41, 1531:8,

1534:25, 1535:21

bear [4] - 1463:30,

1464:22, 1480:18,

1516:43

bearing [2] - 1484:36,

1486:43

Beasley [1] - 1403:39

beat [1] - 1458:19

became [19] -

1411:27, 1413:4,

1421:44, 1428:43,

1431:47, 1432:4,

1432:7, 1439:44,

1440:1, 1441:42,

1441:47, 1445:12,

1493:45, 1509:30,

1512:33, 1521:6,

1530:41, 1532:35,

1535:22

become [11] - 1406:6,

1408:32, 1409:6,

1418:34, 1432:2,

1432:3, 1441:36,

1464:12, 1476:17,

1531:4, 1532:36

becomes [2] -

1512:35, 1513:9

becoming [13] -

1405:25, 1406:4,

1408:28, 1410:34,

1417:15, 1425:43,

1426:7, 1427:41,

1431:44, 1435:28,

1453:17, 1492:31,

1493:47

beforehand [1] -

1507:10

beg [3] - 1485:42,

1500:35, 1510:44

begin [2] - 1479:7,

1479:8

beginning [4] -

1501:5, 1515:40,

1515:43, 1517:30

begins [1] - 1515:41

behalf [3] - 1471:9,

1479:34, 1517:6

behaviour [6] -

1529:21, 1529:25,

1531:28, 1531:32,

1531:39, 1531:40

BEING [1] - 1523:32

belief [1] - 1413:2

bell [3] - 1413:28,

1418:9

below [2] - 1472:35,

1517:44

below.. [1] - 1516:34

benefit [1] - 1478:21

best [7] - 1410:33,

1412:20, 1412:23,

1444:1, 1458:23,

1506:33, 1529:21

better [6] - 1455:4,

1455:19, 1469:29,

1469:31, 1492:27,

1492:40

between [7] - 1413:39,

1414:44, 1459:5,

1469:40, 1503:9,

1527:16, 1532:21

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beyond [1] - 1470:34

big [6] - 1424:14,

1458:47, 1460:19,

1467:6, 1467:21,

1498:3

bigger [1] - 1508:24

bit [10] - 1483:47,

1492:40, 1493:45,

1499:42, 1506:18,

1513:27, 1516:11,

1516:12, 1522:4,

1533:11

Blaxland [1] - 1533:3

bloody [1] - 1476:23

blown [1] - 1530:10

blue [1] - 1515:41

BLUE [1] - 1403:17

Blue [7] - 1403:26,

1404:39, 1419:25,

1483:8, 1508:33,

1508:35, 1515:42

BMCC [3] - 1405:47,

1430:6, 1470:25

board [3] - 1433:14,

1460:29, 1496:26

body [12] - 1424:14,

1424:27, 1438:3,

1463:6, 1463:12,

1463:21, 1469:2,

1503:29, 1505:39,

1507:31, 1507:36,

1507:43

bold [2] - 1404:29,

1453:38

books [2] - 1478:22,

1490:4

bottom [11] - 1464:31,

1483:31, 1484:32,

1495:6, 1500:24,

1500:25, 1515:20,

1516:14, 1516:16,

1517:1, 1517:22

bounce [1] - 1468:12

bounds [1] - 1537:32

box [5] - 1405:44,

1407:13, 1435:22,

1442:4, 1484:40

brain [1] - 1483:24

branch [15] - 1433:45,

1511:22, 1511:25,

1511:26, 1511:37,

1511:42, 1511:43,

1513:1, 1513:3,

1513:9, 1513:11,

1516:26, 1526:23,

1532:7, 1534:47

branches [1] -

1429:32

brand [3] - 1464:47,

1465:5, 1465:31

breach [3] - 1458:17,

1497:30, 1497:46

break [2] - 1439:25,

1439:32

breathing [1] -

1476:27

brevity [2] - 1483:31,

1484:22

brief [23] - 1404:44,

1447:32, 1448:35,

1467:9, 1467:15,

1482:18, 1498:15,

1500:14, 1500:17,

1500:39, 1501:6,

1501:12, 1502:17,

1504:34, 1505:24,

1520:21, 1521:12,

1521:27, 1521:29,

1523:7, 1523:10,

1537:16

briefed [14] - 1426:26,

1441:46, 1459:42,

1460:36, 1460:39,

1460:40, 1494:23,

1496:9, 1497:16,

1504:41, 1505:25,

1505:30, 1505:31,

1507:10

briefing [45] -

1432:17, 1432:19,

1432:22, 1459:43,

1459:44, 1460:43,

1462:3, 1462:7,

1462:9, 1462:12,

1462:17, 1462:38,

1462:40, 1463:6,

1463:26, 1467:22,

1467:27, 1467:37,

1467:45, 1468:45,

1470:7, 1470:13,

1497:15, 1497:25,

1497:33, 1497:34,

1498:27, 1498:28,

1498:35, 1499:5,

1500:46, 1502:3,

1502:42, 1502:47,

1503:17, 1503:18,

1504:1, 1504:28,

1504:36, 1505:10,

1505:17, 1507:6,

1507:9, 1507:18,

1508:10

briefings [11] -

1405:15, 1406:37,

1406:39, 1407:47,

1420:18, 1426:19,

1426:21, 1432:26,

1474:25, 1505:22,

1507:18

briefly [3] - 1493:13,

1529:1, 1533:23

briefs [1] - 1447:33

bring [24] - 1404:27,

1424:10, 1428:28,

1430:36, 1431:13,

1434:46, 1443:15,

1458:44, 1462:40,

1471:43, 1472:37,

1472:40, 1475:18,

1487:27, 1488:14,

1488:18, 1488:20,

1489:1, 1489:2,

1489:8, 1499:19,

1503:20, 1528:46

bringing [4] - 1415:35,

1421:32, 1422:8,

1475:14

brings [2] - 1416:17,

1416:18

BROAD [8] - 1422:43,

1480:7, 1480:22,

1480:34, 1480:38,

1481:5, 1481:11,

1518:18

broad [19] - 1404:27,

1458:43, 1462:11,

1467:18, 1469:7,

1471:43, 1479:23,

1480:9, 1480:19,

1491:38, 1492:6,

1492:40, 1499:19,

1504:21, 1510:6,

1515:6, 1518:16,

1522:25, 1522:40

broad's [3] - 1428:28,

1466:7, 1480:41

broaden [1] - 1532:15

broader [1] - 1532:11

broadly [2] - 1513:15,

1532:25

brought [9] - 1418:4,

1426:28, 1432:4,

1438:39, 1443:15,

1447:6, 1467:18,

1489:24, 1529:22

Brown [6] - 1479:8,

1479:9, 1479:36,

1480:31, 1506:39,

1524:23

BROWN'S [1] - 1525:5

Brown's [5] - 1479:33,

1494:33, 1500:43,

1524:42, 1525:1

BRUHN [1] - 1524:2

Bruhn [20] - 1438:45,

1438:47, 1439:3,

1439:44, 1449:5,

1452:31, 1452:33,

1511:42, 1523:45,

1528:2, 1528:7,

1528:9, 1528:20,

1529:19, 1529:20,

1529:27, 1530:33,

1530:35, 1531:4,

1531:9

Bruhn's [1] - 1528:20

bucket [1] - 1440:27

budget [22] - 1434:38,

1434:42, 1434:44,

1434:47, 1443:24,

1472:33, 1472:40,

1472:42, 1472:44,

1473:20, 1473:30,

1473:35, 1487:27,

1487:28, 1488:8,

1488:15, 1531:32

budgeting [4] -

1473:5, 1473:7,

1473:18, 1473:26

budgets [2] - 1473:28,

1473:44

build [2] - 1416:14,

1517:14

building [2] - 1435:40,

1484:43

Buildings [1] -

1484:41

buildings [17] -

1405:47, 1414:2,

1418:6, 1418:12,

1418:13, 1418:43,

1444:18, 1449:22,

1465:42, 1466:12,

1473:21, 1478:13,

1478:14, 1484:40,

1492:1, 1497:37

buildings/facilities [1]

- 1470:26

builds [1] - 1422:8

bullet [4] - 1405:19,

1425:25, 1434:19,

1436:41

bulletin [1] - 1500:9

BUNDLE [2] -

1519:20, 1525:4

bundle [35] - 1458:47,

1460:19, 1466:8,

1467:6, 1469:8,

1475:44, 1479:9,

1479:14, 1479:26,

1479:29, 1480:3,

1480:46, 1483:31,

1484:22, 1485:40,

1485:43, 1485:44,

1494:30, 1495:14,

1498:4, 1500:43,

1501:4, 1504:32,

1504:46, 1514:14,

1514:15, 1514:44,

1518:5, 1518:10,

1519:15, 1524:33,

1524:42, 1524:43,

1524:47

bundles [2] - 1504:18,

1514:15

burden [1] - 1513:26

bureaucrats [1] -

1421:43

burnt [1] - 1418:6

bushfire [1] - 1421:12

bushfires [5] -

1421:26, 1445:27,

1445:29, 1465:9,

1513:26

business [13] -

1421:2, 1428:44,

1430:25, 1430:32,

1471:5, 1489:22,

1505:23, 1510:2,

1520:15, 1532:36,

1532:37, 1532:45,

1534:11

business-like [2] -

1532:37, 1532:45

busy [3] - 1458:2,

1532:37

BY [4] - 1479:5,

1509:28, 1519:31,

1519:33

C

C&CO [12] - 1418:24,

1420:24, 1420:30,

1435:33, 1473:3,

1473:5, 1489:41,

1490:9, 1490:14,

1532:25, 1533:27

Cabinet [1] - 1517:3

Café [1] - 1498:39

candidate [3] -

1526:9, 1530:45,

1531:1

capability [1] -

1444:35

capacity [10] -

1415:16, 1444:35,

1464:7, 1487:25,

1488:12, 1488:14,

1488:15, 1532:30,

1533:30, 1533:43

capture [1] - 1433:43

CAR [1] - 1468:22

career [1] - 1532:12

careful [2] - 1452:31,

1530:4

carparks [1] - 1426:45

carried [3] - 1435:14,

1461:31, 1535:9

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carry [3] - 1413:16,

1448:25, 1487:4

carrying [1] - 1473:9

case [6] - 1406:36,

1411:45, 1480:25,

1492:32, 1507:34,

1513:31

catch [3] - 1481:22,

1485:33, 1499:36

catch-up [1] - 1499:36

catching [1] - 1492:15

category [2] -

1430:16, 1434:14

Cattermole [20] -

1415:15, 1415:26,

1415:46, 1416:13,

1444:37, 1444:38,

1515:16, 1515:25,

1515:28, 1516:6,

1516:31, 1516:39,

1517:8, 1517:13,

1517:17, 1517:23,

1517:27, 1517:38,

1519:16, 1532:7

CATTERMOLE [1] -

1519:21

cease [1] - 1466:11

cent [1] - 1484:30

Centium [10] -

1460:22, 1460:25,

1460:30, 1460:40,

1460:43, 1461:10,

1461:19, 1474:18,

1525:19, 1525:22

central [1] - 1471:2

centralisation [1] -

1411:36

centralise [1] -

1430:34

centralised [9] -

1431:3, 1431:14,

1431:31, 1434:5,

1464:12, 1464:13,

1466:25, 1466:37

centrally [2] -

1429:24, 1429:30

centre [1] - 1404:29

Centre [1] - 1403:26

certain [4] - 1413:37,

1444:17, 1480:23,

1507:28

certainly [15] - 1417:9,

1418:17, 1421:22,

1425:37, 1429:12,

1441:1, 1441:46,

1444:12, 1444:24,

1445:7, 1445:20,

1447:12, 1507:33,

1525:22, 1533:44

cetera [12] - 1407:12,

1412:12, 1417:3,

1427:24, 1427:36,

1428:14, 1449:40,

1472:15, 1477:27,

1488:7, 1516:36,

1521:23

chain [4] - 1515:11,

1517:22, 1522:23,

1522:26

chaired [1] - 1535:6

chairmanship [1] -

1520:47

chairs [1] - 1498:9

challenge [1] -

1482:36

challenges [3] -

1477:24, 1509:39,

1515:38

chambers [2] -

1442:11, 1537:27

chance [2] - 1457:23,

1518:20

change [5] - 1454:22,

1476:34, 1476:39,

1533:42, 1534:6

changed [4] - 1423:3,

1442:47, 1490:17,

1499:27

changeover [2] -

1489:42, 1489:44

changes [1] - 1511:47

changing [2] -

1489:40, 1491:8

chaotic [1] - 1421:34

characterisation [1] -

1520:42

charge [1] - 1512:45

chart [1] - 1517:34

charter [1] - 1436:11

chastised [1] -

1506:38

chastisement [1] -

1506:13

chastising [1] -

1506:44

check [5] - 1454:17,

1480:19, 1509:45,

1509:46, 1525:22

checks [1] - 1447:14

chief [2] - 1510:38,

1526:1

chronological [4] -

1466:8, 1498:4,

1508:26, 1515:39

circular [2] - 1408:39,

1517:3

circulate [1] - 1535:14

CITY [1] - 1403:17

city [6] - 1406:16,

1427:35, 1512:31,

1520:20, 1528:9,

1532:6

City [19] - 1404:40,

1419:25, 1427:21,

1473:3, 1473:17,

1473:19, 1511:21,

1512:31, 1512:35,

1513:5, 1514:20,

1515:42, 1532:29,

1533:18, 1533:29,

1533:42, 1534:31,

1534:41, 1535:17

civil [1] - 1512:30

claim [1] - 1473:36

clarify [1] - 1502:21

clarity [1] - 1481:28

classify [1] - 1533:10

clean [1] - 1504:35

clear [1] - 1498:22

cleared [1] - 1426:28

clearer [1] - 1426:6

clearly [5] - 1417:44,

1489:2, 1490:5,

1529:47, 1530:15

client's [1] - 1530:31

close [6] - 1406:27,

1458:47, 1471:43,

1475:44, 1489:40,

1489:44

closed [5] - 1426:27,

1426:45, 1426:46,

1442:27, 1534:37

closely [1] - 1419:28

code [3] - 1438:4,

1479:37, 1480:31

colourful [1] - 1405:40

column [6] - 1405:45,

1484:41, 1484:42,

1485:1, 1485:6

columns [1] - 1485:2

comfortable [2] -

1444:41, 1495:47

coming [4] - 1441:15,

1475:37, 1520:14,

1537:9

commence [4] -

1422:35, 1436:41,

1513:21, 1529:27

commenced [6] -

1404:23, 1414:5,

1513:17, 1514:43,

1529:28, 1537:29

commencement [1] -

1432:42

COMMENCING [1] -

1519:20

commencing [10] -

1404:39, 1407:11,

1412:11, 1429:23,

1433:27, 1449:35,

1449:38, 1462:29,

1517:22, 1519:15

comment [3] -

1527:31, 1534:8,

1535:24

comments [1] -

1507:5

commission [1] -

1491:21

commissioned [2] -

1491:14, 1491:16

Commissioner [29] -

1403:39, 1404:5,

1423:9, 1439:23,

1450:33, 1454:2,

1456:4, 1456:42,

1457:18, 1457:26,

1466:42, 1467:4,

1477:8, 1478:44,

1479:9, 1484:21,

1496:28, 1499:4,

1506:29, 1507:25,

1509:7, 1509:11,

1518:6, 1519:35,

1525:38, 1529:33,

1532:3, 1536:42,

1537:16

COMMISSIONER [246]

- 1404:1, 1404:9,

1409:31, 1410:21,

1410:25, 1410:29,

1412:35, 1415:43,

1416:31, 1416:35,

1417:23, 1418:29,

1418:47, 1419:4,

1419:10, 1419:39,

1421:24, 1422:26,

1422:30, 1422:34,

1422:45, 1423:2,

1423:7, 1423:11,

1423:21, 1423:26,

1423:30, 1424:37,

1425:4, 1425:10,

1425:46, 1435:45,

1438:15, 1439:25,

1439:30, 1450:22,

1450:26, 1450:30,

1450:35, 1450:41,

1453:32, 1453:37,

1454:5, 1454:10,

1454:14, 1454:21,

1455:3, 1455:19,

1455:24, 1455:28,

1455:32, 1455:37,

1455:45, 1456:9,

1456:16, 1456:23,

1456:33, 1456:47,

1457:12, 1457:20,

1457:29, 1457:33,

1457:38, 1457:43,

1458:4, 1458:10,

1458:16, 1458:30,

1458:37, 1466:45,

1467:2, 1476:31,

1476:42, 1477:5,

1477:11, 1477:16,

1478:38, 1478:47,

1479:13, 1479:18,

1479:23, 1479:36,

1479:42, 1480:2,

1480:9, 1480:14,

1480:18, 1480:25,

1480:30, 1480:36,

1480:40, 1481:2,

1481:7, 1481:13,

1481:36, 1483:18,

1483:23, 1483:45,

1484:2, 1484:26,

1485:8, 1485:39,

1485:46, 1486:33,

1486:37, 1486:42,

1487:14, 1487:35,

1487:40, 1487:45,

1488:3, 1488:25,

1488:39, 1489:11,

1489:18, 1490:35,

1490:44, 1491:2,

1491:6, 1491:37,

1492:18, 1492:27,

1492:36, 1493:37,

1494:16, 1495:35,

1496:30, 1496:34,

1496:41, 1496:47,

1502:13, 1502:24,

1502:32, 1502:41,

1503:7, 1503:25,

1504:7, 1504:15,

1504:21, 1504:26,

1504:44, 1505:20,

1506:5, 1506:12,

1506:31, 1506:35,

1506:43, 1507:1,

1507:13, 1507:22,

1507:33, 1507:41,

1508:5, 1508:15,

1508:23, 1509:9,

1509:14, 1509:19,

1509:25, 1510:11,

1510:15, 1510:41,

1511:10, 1511:14,

1511:32, 1512:6,

1512:12, 1512:22,

1512:30, 1512:35,

1512:40, 1512:44,

1513:3, 1513:7,

1513:13, 1514:17,

1515:2, 1515:28,

1515:36, 1516:14,

1516:21, 1518:9,

1518:15, 1518:20,

1518:25, 1518:29,

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1518:34, 1518:41,

1519:1, 1519:7,

1519:15, 1519:25,

1519:40, 1519:46,

1520:9, 1520:30,

1521:26, 1521:33,

1521:42, 1521:47,

1522:9, 1522:43,

1523:10, 1523:14,

1523:18, 1523:24,

1523:35, 1523:44,

1524:13, 1524:19,

1524:28, 1524:35,

1524:47, 1525:7,

1525:18, 1525:25,

1525:30, 1526:26,

1526:33, 1527:23,

1528:6, 1528:14,

1528:19, 1528:38,

1529:10, 1529:19,

1529:36, 1529:42,

1529:47, 1530:6,

1530:12, 1531:47,

1535:33, 1535:44,

1536:2, 1536:23,

1536:29, 1536:35,

1536:45, 1537:3,

1537:19, 1537:32,

1537:37, 1537:46,

1538:4, 1538:10

commissioning [3] -

1428:33, 1428:34,

1428:38

Commissions [3] -

1455:20, 1457:3,

1457:13

commitment [1] -

1436:23

committee [25] -

1492:46, 1493:3,

1493:5, 1493:11,

1493:14, 1493:15,

1493:17, 1493:19,

1493:21, 1493:29,

1493:42, 1494:1,

1494:22, 1494:23,

1494:28, 1494:38,

1496:25, 1497:10,

1497:12, 1497:16,

1498:8, 1526:47,

1527:10, 1527:11,

1531:33

common [5] -

1431:19, 1431:20,

1431:31, 1488:30

communicated [3] -

1498:18, 1507:6,

1507:7

communicating [1] -

1517:27

communication [5] -

1447:31, 1448:18,

1478:18, 1478:23,

1503:28

communications [1] -

1517:45

community [12] -

1406:16, 1422:15,

1422:16, 1465:37,

1465:38, 1465:41,

1466:4, 1468:31,

1512:31, 1520:21,

1532:6, 1532:41

community's [1] -

1465:40

company [2] -

1413:26, 1460:30

compensation [1] -

1492:23

competence [1] -

1509:43

competent [1] -

1528:21

competing [2] -

1425:12, 1425:41

complete [1] -

1408:10

completed [7] -

1427:2, 1427:20,

1427:31, 1453:43,

1454:26, 1454:28,

1470:12

completely [1] -

1487:47

compliance [11] -

1431:32, 1460:6,

1460:8, 1469:15,

1469:19, 1482:32,

1484:43, 1485:29,

1491:29, 1494:44,

1521:7

compliant [8] -

1425:38, 1426:15,

1426:35, 1491:10,

1492:33, 1505:45,

1507:29, 1507:35

complication [1] -

1458:8

complied [3] -

1420:36, 1426:17,

1444:26

complimentary [3] -

1449:39, 1449:44,

1449:47

comply [9] - 1424:15,

1425:14, 1425:34,

1431:4, 1442:32,

1444:23, 1461:32,

1463:7, 1478:10

complying [6] -

1425:44, 1426:8,

1426:42, 1427:2,

1454:38

comprehensive [1] -

1482:13

comprised [1] -

1416:20

comprises [1] -

1467:19

computer [1] -

1480:41

concentrate [2] -

1424:12, 1429:14

concept [3] - 1433:43,

1488:5, 1508:33

concern [14] - 1414:3,

1414:46, 1426:15,

1431:8, 1435:3,

1435:8, 1436:19,

1436:20, 1441:22,

1443:3, 1451:11,

1457:26, 1495:22,

1496:1

concern's [1] - 1435:5

concerned [18] -

1414:7, 1417:15,

1425:43, 1426:7,

1427:41, 1435:16,

1443:42, 1447:22,

1451:38, 1451:39,

1451:47, 1452:16,

1453:17, 1453:20,

1457:40, 1503:36,

1505:44

concerning [8] -

1432:37, 1466:11,

1474:12, 1475:45,

1476:1, 1495:46,

1530:1, 1530:17

concerns [13] -

1440:11, 1440:12,

1442:20, 1443:29,

1447:8, 1447:12,

1447:13, 1447:18,

1447:26, 1451:42,

1451:46, 1452:36,

1475:26

Concerns [1] -

1535:16

conclusion [5] -

1429:19, 1429:36,

1430:4, 1430:11,

1452:32

Conclusion" [1] -

1429:18

condition [2] -

1484:42, 1484:43

conduct [4] - 1414:1,

1438:4, 1479:37,

1480:32

conducted [5] -

1405:46, 1501:26,

1506:22, 1534:18,

1534:40

conduit [1] - 1503:27

conferred [1] -

1534:14

confidence [1] -

1466:1

confident [1] -

1442:31

confidential [8] -

1535:29, 1535:41,

1536:2, 1536:3,

1536:11, 1536:21,

1536:24, 1536:37

CONFIDENTIAL [1] -

1536:6

confidentiality [2] -

1535:24, 1535:25

confirm [2] - 1502:2,

1516:9

confirms [1] - 1517:18

conflates [1] -

1487:47

conflating [1] -

1487:37

conformance [3] -

1438:19, 1530:15,

1535:39

conformity [1] -

1488:6

consequence [1] -

1435:29

consider [5] - 1478:8,

1505:24, 1510:45,

1518:2, 1522:18

considerable [1] -

1513:43

consideration [2] -

1420:2, 1536:21

considering [2] -

1436:44, 1505:24

consistent [4] -

1433:15, 1433:47,

1466:26, 1513:16

consists [1] - 1482:1

constructed [1] -

1405:47

construed [1] -

1456:38

consult [1] - 1508:7

consultant [7] -

1406:10, 1406:19,

1413:18, 1436:25,

1461:10, 1469:26,

1489:25

consultants [4] -

1406:22, 1415:35,

1415:38, 1473:33

consulted [2] -

1533:32, 1533:47

contact [2] - 1443:36,

1454:46

contacted [1] - 1526:7

contain [1] - 1417:35

containing [4] -

1416:46, 1473:13,

1474:1, 1474:32

containment [1] -

1419:14

contamination [1] -

1520:32

CONTAMINATION [1]

- 1520:37

contemplation [1] -

1470:36

contemporary [2] -

1413:10, 1436:24

content [2] - 1435:3,

1437:12

context [3] - 1434:30,

1488:46, 1521:24

continue [5] -

1420:45, 1434:19,

1455:45, 1534:30,

1534:34

continued [1] -

1425:42

continuing [1] -

1437:27

continuously [1] -

1499:31

contractor [1] -

1413:16

contribute [1] -

1443:13

control [8] - 1432:37,

1432:42, 1436:45,

1443:14, 1485:35,

1486:2, 1487:17,

1489:22

controls [1] - 1424:39

controversial [1] -

1509:21

convenience [1] -

1511:12

convenient [5] -

1425:2, 1439:23,

1514:46, 1518:13,

1524:22

conversation [5] -

1499:40, 1527:36,

1527:40, 1527:44,

1527:45

convey [4] - 1442:24,

1459:46, 1460:12,

1463:6

conveyed [3] -

1442:34, 1463:2,

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7

1521:35

Cooper [8] - 1432:36,

1432:41, 1433:31,

1433:42, 1434:9,

1485:36, 1486:2,

1487:18

Cooper's [4] - 1435:3,

1435:29, 1436:3,

1437:35

copied [3] - 1498:7,

1517:37, 1523:38

copies [10] - 1510:9,

1510:38, 1512:6,

1512:9, 1514:14,

1522:9, 1522:12,

1523:40, 1524:9,

1525:14

copy [10] - 1464:23,

1500:4, 1502:24,

1502:26, 1517:40,

1518:41, 1522:32,

1524:5, 1524:33

copying [1] - 1517:44

Corbett [34] - 1406:17,

1407:5, 1407:47,

1408:16, 1408:17,

1409:42, 1410:2,

1410:39, 1411:2,

1411:5, 1411:13,

1411:17, 1412:9,

1415:16, 1415:19,

1415:46, 1416:14,

1418:26, 1418:27,

1420:35, 1420:42,

1428:21, 1428:22,

1444:36, 1444:38,

1490:7, 1490:8,

1514:26, 1514:27,

1515:42, 1516:5,

1516:31, 1517:13,

1517:17

Corbett's [4] -

1407:34, 1407:44,

1410:35, 1415:4

Cork [2] - 1424:45,

1424:47

CORK [2] - 1425:2,

1425:7

corporate [3] -

1444:39, 1468:23,

1517:7

correct [116] -

1404:21, 1404:25,

1406:45, 1407:36,

1407:41, 1409:4,

1411:40, 1411:43,

1412:43, 1419:13,

1420:16, 1420:21,

1423:34, 1424:33,

1425:34, 1428:22,

1428:46, 1429:41,

1430:1, 1431:1,

1433:23, 1440:39,

1440:42, 1440:46,

1441:12, 1441:29,

1442:44, 1443:1,

1445:9, 1445:10,

1446:22, 1449:18,

1452:4, 1452:9,

1452:40, 1454:26,

1454:31, 1459:19,

1459:23, 1461:4,

1461:15, 1463:38,

1465:15, 1469:41,

1469:42, 1470:38,

1471:37, 1472:7,

1472:8, 1473:15,

1478:30, 1478:31,

1478:34, 1480:46,

1481:45, 1483:27,

1485:20, 1485:23,

1485:26, 1485:30,

1486:24, 1486:25,

1487:22, 1488:40,

1489:3, 1490:28,

1490:29, 1490:39,

1490:42, 1498:9,

1498:27, 1498:29,

1500:21, 1500:22,

1500:36, 1500:40,

1503:23, 1503:31,

1503:33, 1504:38,

1505:41, 1507:25,

1509:33, 1509:47,

1510:35, 1511:30,

1511:40, 1511:44,

1513:34, 1513:38,

1513:41, 1513:45,

1514:30, 1514:33,

1514:37, 1520:17,

1520:23, 1521:10,

1521:13, 1521:17,

1522:15, 1522:33,

1528:10, 1528:12,

1528:17, 1528:42,

1529:20, 1530:42,

1532:9, 1532:23,

1532:27, 1534:38,

1534:42, 1534:45,

1535:1, 1536:18

correctly [4] -

1430:44, 1485:35,

1486:28, 1508:10

correspondence [3] -

1440:25, 1440:27,

1440:30

corroboration [1] -

1509:46

cost [2] - 1482:26,

1485:14

costs [1] - 1484:45

COUNCIL [1] -

1403:17

Council [5] - 1404:40,

1419:25, 1508:34,

1508:36, 1515:42

council [127] -

1409:18, 1410:46,

1411:6, 1412:15,

1412:41, 1412:46,

1413:34, 1414:24,

1417:39, 1418:1,

1418:10, 1418:22,

1419:37, 1420:36,

1421:11, 1421:25,

1421:45, 1422:22,

1424:3, 1424:9,

1424:11, 1424:20,

1424:27, 1424:32,

1425:14, 1425:33,

1425:38, 1425:43,

1426:8, 1426:15,

1426:35, 1427:20,

1427:31, 1428:14,

1429:10, 1430:35,

1430:45, 1431:4,

1431:37, 1432:7,

1433:46, 1433:47,

1435:25, 1436:31,

1437:9, 1437:38,

1437:42, 1440:45,

1442:11, 1442:26,

1442:35, 1443:6,

1444:31, 1445:7,

1445:13, 1445:14,

1445:33, 1448:25,

1449:21, 1453:18,

1454:35, 1462:44,

1463:7, 1464:47,

1465:1, 1465:5,

1465:7, 1465:31,

1465:45, 1467:15,

1469:40, 1473:27,

1473:47, 1476:38,

1477:23, 1477:32,

1481:29, 1482:36,

1482:44, 1485:28,

1488:27, 1488:28,

1489:29, 1491:9,

1491:42, 1491:44,

1492:1, 1492:2,

1492:23, 1497:30,

1497:36, 1497:45,

1498:12, 1501:12,

1501:33, 1502:17,

1503:21, 1503:30,

1503:36, 1504:47,

1505:24, 1505:37,

1505:39, 1507:26,

1507:28, 1507:34,

1509:38, 1510:3,

1513:20, 1513:28,

1513:32, 1513:43,

1514:36, 1516:40,

1529:22, 1529:27,

1529:28, 1532:38,

1534:20, 1534:29,

1534:34, 1535:22,

1535:23

council's [36] -

1408:7, 1408:40,

1411:46, 1417:15,

1418:36, 1420:10,

1421:25, 1429:2,

1433:5, 1435:11,

1441:23, 1443:43,

1447:9, 1449:27,

1459:47, 1462:41,

1466:1, 1468:29,

1475:4, 1476:10,

1476:47, 1477:1,

1477:46, 1478:3,

1478:21, 1478:38,

1481:29, 1483:2,

1489:18, 1490:2,

1490:4, 1494:44,

1503:40, 1505:4,

1509:39, 1531:32

Council's [1] - 1483:8

COUNCIL'S [1] -

1478:41

council-wide [1] -

1433:47

COUNCILLOR [1] -

1525:5

Councillor [27] -

1459:5, 1479:8,

1479:9, 1479:33,

1479:36, 1480:31,

1494:33, 1494:46,

1495:7, 1495:9,

1495:18, 1495:36,

1496:5, 1496:6,

1496:8, 1496:36,

1496:39, 1496:44,

1497:11, 1497:16,

1498:43, 1498:44,

1498:45, 1500:42,

1524:23, 1524:42,

1525:1

councillor [4] -

1462:12, 1467:22,

1497:15, 1505:22

councillors [20] -

1410:11, 1459:43,

1462:3, 1463:27,

1466:5, 1493:41,

1497:33, 1500:39,

1500:45, 1502:6,

1502:9, 1502:28,

1502:42, 1503:10,

1504:34, 1504:41,

1505:31, 1505:36,

1507:8, 1507:10

Councils [1] - 1431:43

councils [3] -

1408:20, 1422:8,

1517:3

counsel [5] - 1499:4,

1504:31, 1506:15,

1506:21, 1508:25

count [4] - 1519:37,

1519:40, 1519:42

couple [4] - 1436:30,

1443:34, 1475:19,

1528:45

course [13] - 1405:12,

1405:14, 1424:40,

1430:31, 1431:24,

1434:28, 1458:41,

1492:25, 1512:20,

1517:19, 1520:11,

1535:30, 1537:30

Cover [2] - 1453:6,

1453:38

cover [5] - 1417:20,

1453:18, 1454:35,

1458:37, 1458:38

Cover-up [2] - 1453:6,

1453:38

cover-up [2] -

1453:18, 1454:35

covered [2] - 1444:32,

1514:7

covers [1] - 1416:47

created [4] - 1436:46,

1511:43, 1512:12,

1512:22

creating [1] - 1475:17

creation [1] - 1436:45

critical [5] - 1484:39,

1485:10, 1491:29,

1492:6, 1505:35

Critical [1] - 1484:44

cross [4] - 1495:29,

1506:9, 1509:46,

1523:6

Cross [2] - 1421:33,

1422:14

cross-check [1] -

1509:46

cross-examine [2] -

1495:29, 1506:9

cross-reference [1] -

1523:6

CS [4] - 1512:3,

1518:31, 1519:1,

1519:4

cuff [1] - 1446:37

culminated [1] -

1482:24

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Cultural [1] - 1403:26

Culture [1] - 1453:38

culture [4] - 1431:28,

1453:18, 1454:35,

1486:23

Culture" [1] - 1453:6

cumulatively [1] -

1531:36

current [2] - 1404:45,

1481:33

cusp [4] - 1489:40,

1490:16, 1490:18,

1490:19

custodian [1] -

1407:27

cut [2] - 1455:6,

1505:30

D

daily [2] - 1443:33,

1460:46

damage [1] - 1417:1

damaged [4] -

1417:36, 1418:6,

1418:12, 1504:35

Damien [3] - 1514:23,

1514:29

date [33] - 1419:4,

1419:8, 1419:42,

1422:20, 1435:34,

1444:17, 1450:26,

1462:9, 1477:11,

1477:12, 1477:14,

1481:41, 1484:44,

1487:14, 1491:33,

1494:23, 1494:24,

1495:46, 1499:27,

1500:16, 1500:17,

1504:34, 1513:20,

1515:22, 1515:28,

1516:4, 1521:15,

1522:20, 1525:18,

1537:29

DATED [4] - 1520:36,

1523:31, 1525:5,

1536:6

dated [13] - 1428:7,

1438:20, 1446:12,

1450:20, 1450:32,

1474:31, 1498:26,

1500:6, 1515:17,

1520:31, 1523:26,

1525:1, 1536:2

dates [2] - 1424:41,

1424:42

day-to-day [3] -

1427:1, 1428:24,

1460:42

days [2] - 1500:9,

1500:19

DCP [2] - 1424:44,

1425:5

deal [8] - 1445:13,

1485:29, 1492:19,

1497:37, 1505:37,

1518:5, 1530:19,

1535:44

dealing [10] - 1445:20,

1445:22, 1458:21,

1462:1, 1492:18,

1507:41, 1507:46,

1509:25, 1522:40,

1524:19

dealt [2] - 1415:11,

1440:30

December [3] -

1515:17, 1515:31,

1520:31

DECEMBER [1] -

1520:36

decision [10] - 1443:6,

1443:10, 1443:11,

1466:25, 1466:26,

1466:36, 1466:40,

1505:28, 1524:17,

1529:22

decision-making [1] -

1529:22

decisions [1] -

1466:38

declared [1] - 1514:1

declined [2] -

1525:46, 1526:2

dedicated [1] -

1468:18

defer [1] - 1524:29

definitely [4] - 1413:7,

1425:4, 1475:28,

1478:16

delegate [1] - 1475:37

delegated [1] -

1474:40

deleted [1] - 1454:14

deliver [4] - 1449:16,

1450:10, 1463:46,

1532:38

delivered [1] -

1423:16

delivering [2] -

1429:13, 1532:45

delivery [6] - 1448:37,

1449:4, 1450:15,

1472:13, 1498:6,

1523:25

Delivery [10] -

1512:33, 1512:35,

1522:28, 1528:14,

1530:38, 1530:41,

1531:5, 1532:6,

1532:26, 1532:30

DELIVERY [1] -

1523:31

Department [1] -

1517:2

departments [3] -

1412:15, 1412:46,

1429:32

depended [1] -

1437:32

depot [3] - 1446:36,

1447:22, 1534:31

Depot [6] - 1438:37,

1440:11, 1442:11,

1501:1, 1501:27,

1534:19

depots [5] - 1443:19,

1443:20, 1498:20,

1503:38, 1521:16

Depots [1] - 1446:16

Deputy [2] - 1498:42,

1498:46

der [3] - 1498:43,

1498:44, 1498:45

describe [6] -

1442:20, 1478:8,

1493:13, 1531:10,

1531:12, 1531:14

described [3] -

1432:1, 1462:24,

1524:42

describes [1] - 1434:9

description [2] -

1482:36, 1482:43

descriptions [1] -

1449:45

desire [3] - 1434:4,

1464:11, 1466:36

despite [2] - 1425:12,

1426:13

destroyed [2] -

1418:7, 1421:35

detail [10] - 1408:37,

1412:40, 1414:37,

1428:24, 1433:18,

1443:39, 1444:11,

1493:46, 1497:29,

1507:26

detailed [2] - 1414:14,

1507:17

Details [1] - 1442:5

determined [4] -

1472:27, 1534:24,

1534:28, 1534:33

develop [12] -

1420:19, 1420:25,

1420:31, 1430:23,

1431:25, 1431:28,

1486:22, 1488:12,

1488:13, 1532:30,

1532:34, 1533:43

developed [7] -

1407:20, 1417:6,

1417:12, 1417:29,

1417:41, 1431:27,

1499:25

developing [12] -

1408:2, 1427:22,

1427:36, 1431:16,

1431:28, 1433:4,

1471:27, 1487:40,

1488:27, 1489:33,

1533:34, 1534:1

development [16] -

1411:18, 1411:46,

1415:18, 1419:11,

1421:11, 1422:7,

1429:2, 1431:16,

1431:31, 1432:8,

1434:14, 1435:39,

1437:5, 1437:22,

1529:4, 1533:14

devices [1] - 1422:13

devote [1] - 1429:6

diagram [1] - 1508:34

dialogue [1] - 1469:36

different [13] - 1410:8,

1410:9, 1416:4,

1435:1, 1466:21,

1466:43, 1479:38,

1479:40, 1485:17,

1492:10, 1515:11,

1517:21, 1535:3

diligence [1] - 1487:2

Dillon [3] - 1451:24,

1489:26, 1535:6

Dillon's [1] - 1423:46

direct [10] - 1445:42,

1455:35, 1455:37,

1456:12, 1466:20,

1474:31, 1476:38,

1477:1, 1528:44,

1530:26

directed [5] - 1448:37,

1456:4, 1460:28,

1460:29, 1470:10

directing [4] -

1410:41, 1410:42,

1448:24, 1515:33

direction [13] -

1410:39, 1445:38,

1456:29, 1456:37,

1456:38, 1456:44,

1457:2, 1457:12,

1461:34, 1461:38,

1461:39, 1461:45,

1529:39

directions [1] -

1438:41

directive [3] -

1437:34, 1466:11,

1466:16

directly [7] - 1417:27,

1443:32, 1445:20,

1446:28, 1476:18,

1482:5, 1509:44

director [61] -

1405:16, 1405:33,

1406:12, 1406:14,

1406:17, 1406:31,

1406:33, 1408:14,

1409:11, 1414:41,

1415:12, 1416:4,

1416:14, 1416:17,

1416:18, 1418:24,

1420:19, 1423:41,

1423:42, 1426:20,

1426:26, 1428:34,

1428:35, 1428:36,

1438:42, 1438:44,

1439:41, 1445:25,

1461:1, 1488:11,

1488:26, 1488:47,

1489:13, 1489:14,

1489:41, 1490:9,

1490:14, 1514:20,

1514:35, 1516:26,

1527:10, 1527:12,

1527:16, 1528:9,

1529:16, 1529:19,

1529:20, 1530:38,

1530:41, 1531:4,

1531:16, 1531:24,

1531:37, 1532:14,

1534:9, 1534:12,

1534:44

Director [1] - 1535:16

directorate [26] -

1406:11, 1406:14,

1406:31, 1406:44,

1407:2, 1407:34,

1407:44, 1408:1,

1410:36, 1415:4,

1420:24, 1420:31,

1423:43, 1489:26,

1490:44, 1514:35,

1520:21, 1522:29,

1531:30, 1532:16,

1533:17, 1533:26,

1534:10, 1534:13,

1534:15, 1534:27

Directorate [4] -

1511:21, 1522:28,

1533:18, 1534:41

directorate's [1] -

1435:33

directorates [7] -

1416:5, 1429:40,

1471:3, 1473:3,

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1491:4, 1528:41,

1529:24

directors [26] -

1406:37, 1406:43,

1411:19, 1411:33,

1416:21, 1426:21,

1429:11, 1431:17,

1431:21, 1434:45,

1437:21, 1447:33,

1472:34, 1472:42,

1478:24, 1486:28,

1486:39, 1487:1,

1487:4, 1487:24,

1487:27, 1490:17,

1490:18, 1509:44,

1528:41, 1535:7

disagree [1] - 1507:1

disappeared [1] -

1527:30

disappointed [3] -

1443:21, 1446:32,

1531:24

disaster [1] - 1514:1

disclose [1] - 1457:24

disclosed [1] -

1455:38

discloses [1] -

1456:13

disclosing [2] -

1457:5, 1457:15

disclosure [1] -

1457:21

discourage [1] -

1538:5

discovered [1] -

1450:2

discovery [2] -

1507:28, 1507:47

discrete [3] - 1418:42,

1436:2, 1536:26

discretion [2] -

1486:29, 1486:40

discuss [3] - 1442:13,

1445:25, 1497:45

discussed [10] -

1433:22, 1447:37,

1459:37, 1459:41,

1459:43, 1473:24,

1475:3, 1486:5,

1497:42, 1498:5

discussing [1] -

1487:17

discussion [17] -

1436:7, 1439:3,

1450:11, 1452:32,

1472:25, 1473:47,

1475:45, 1476:5,

1488:47, 1503:9,

1526:13, 1531:39,

1533:30, 1533:34,

1533:41, 1533:46,

1535:42

discussions [6] -

1453:29, 1460:47,

1469:18, 1469:22,

1476:1, 1528:19

dish [1] - 1440:33

disposal [1] - 1419:15

disposed [2] -

1418:16, 1418:17

dispute [2] - 1412:24,

1412:26

disputes [1] - 1475:33

disrespectfully [1] -

1526:39

disruption [1] -

1514:6

dissatisfaction [1] -

1476:13

distinct [2] - 1441:21,

1458:23

distinction [3] -

1414:44, 1437:40,

1532:20

distinctly [1] -

1441:18

distribute [3] -

1498:11, 1512:8,

1522:24

distribution [1] -

1468:22

diversion [1] -

1513:43

division [1] - 1408:21

DOCUMENT [6] -

1478:41, 1519:4,

1519:11, 1519:30,

1524:38, 1536:39

document [81] -

1405:37, 1408:41,

1409:25, 1409:26,

1416:5, 1416:28,

1417:9, 1417:20,

1418:21, 1418:47,

1419:5, 1420:6,

1425:19, 1431:44,

1432:11, 1434:34,

1435:1, 1437:35,

1438:23, 1438:27,

1439:4, 1439:13,

1439:44, 1451:3,

1453:5, 1453:26,

1455:6, 1459:13,

1462:12, 1463:31,

1467:8, 1467:13,

1467:41, 1469:32,

1474:32, 1478:38,

1481:28, 1483:13,

1483:37, 1484:3,

1484:22, 1484:24,

1484:37, 1499:31,

1499:42, 1504:7,

1504:40, 1505:1,

1505:2, 1505:3,

1505:16, 1510:8,

1510:15, 1510:17,

1510:30, 1510:34,

1510:37, 1511:32,

1511:35, 1512:3,

1512:13, 1512:26,

1513:24, 1516:44,

1519:1, 1519:7,

1519:25, 1520:19,

1522:5, 1524:11,

1524:35, 1535:13,

1535:18, 1535:25,

1535:38, 1536:10,

1536:16, 1536:36,

1537:28

document's [1] -

1503:45

documentary [1] -

1535:21

DOCUMENTS [1] -

1525:4

documents [17] -

1412:18, 1413:34,

1441:8, 1441:10,

1441:15, 1458:22,

1504:23, 1504:46,

1510:7, 1510:9,

1515:4, 1518:3,

1518:21, 1524:23,

1524:47, 1537:26,

1537:38

domain [1] - 1433:45

done [61] - 1406:24,

1408:11, 1410:16,

1410:35, 1412:45,

1413:26, 1413:31,

1413:39, 1414:9,

1414:15, 1414:20,

1415:19, 1418:19,

1420:24, 1420:30,

1424:40, 1425:26,

1428:15, 1428:17,

1428:30, 1429:20,

1433:1, 1434:31,

1434:39, 1435:6,

1435:7, 1435:15,

1435:17, 1435:41,

1435:42, 1436:25,

1436:33, 1436:37,

1444:18, 1444:19,

1444:21, 1444:22,

1444:23, 1450:1,

1460:7, 1461:19,

1461:26, 1465:11,

1465:21, 1467:41,

1469:33, 1470:13,

1470:17, 1470:42,

1473:12, 1473:26,

1475:14, 1478:15,

1480:28, 1489:25,

1499:30, 1499:31,

1508:27, 1521:5,

1533:24, 1535:31

dot [5] - 1436:41,

1437:12, 1468:17,

1468:27, 1501:24

double [2] - 1454:17,

1515:12

double-check [1] -

1454:17

double-sided [1] -

1515:12

doubling [1] - 1475:16

doubt [3] - 1441:6,

1480:22, 1538:4

down [37] - 1404:38,

1405:44, 1412:10,

1417:32, 1426:45,

1429:23, 1430:3,

1434:8, 1434:45,

1436:42, 1442:4,

1442:8, 1442:27,

1449:34, 1462:20,

1464:23, 1464:29,

1467:33, 1476:28,

1477:2, 1482:10,

1483:31, 1483:39,

1483:40, 1484:10,

1484:41, 1500:24,

1500:25, 1501:24,

1511:28, 1515:20,

1515:24, 1515:40,

1516:14, 1516:23,

1532:33, 1534:37

draft [3] - 1419:41,

1425:19, 1505:9

drafted [3] - 1419:44,

1505:1, 1538:5

drafting [4] - 1420:3,

1436:47, 1505:21,

1514:24

drama [1] - 1404:10

draw [7] - 1414:44,

1441:21, 1463:44,

1488:18, 1495:5,

1525:15, 1526:17

drawing [4] - 1434:29,

1488:12, 1516:8,

1519:43

drawn [6] - 1439:38,

1439:45, 1460:14,

1521:20, 1526:35,

1532:20

draws [1] - 1440:44

drew [6] - 1486:7,

1531:26, 1531:27,

1533:30, 1533:41,

1534:44

Drew [1] - 1514:29

drew's [2] - 1535:22,

1535:23

drive [4] - 1411:45,

1444:40, 1446:3,

1517:45

driven [1] - 1463:44

drives [1] - 1481:11

driving [1] - 1488:6

drop [1] - 1417:32

Dropbox [1] - 1480:28

due [6] - 1481:34,

1481:43, 1512:19,

1515:22, 1516:4,

1535:30

dumped [1] - 1496:17

Dunn [1] - 1506:39

during [3] - 1434:44,

1443:36, 1509:38

E

early [4] - 1421:36,

1425:29, 1441:16,

1441:22

easier [1] - 1524:28

easiest [1] - 1484:33

Echelon [2] - 1413:27,

1413:28

Edmonds [1] -

1516:44

effect [10] - 1414:32,

1425:7, 1425:8,

1442:41, 1464:25,

1486:14, 1487:1,

1510:37, 1513:9,

1517:18

effectively [1] -

1510:42

effectiveness [1] -

1509:43

effects [1] - 1511:25

efficiency [1] -

1509:43

efficient [1] - 1509:25

effort [2] - 1421:27,

1513:33

either [6] - 1415:16,

1423:5, 1507:14,

1522:10, 1526:45,

1527:24

elected [2] - 1449:7,

1493:41

electronic [1] -

1479:47

elevated [1] - 1520:15

ELT [12] - 1432:36,

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1433:22, 1437:41,

1440:1, 1445:38,

1464:24, 1465:14,

1472:27, 1474:9,

1474:21, 1524:9,

1525:9

email [50] - 1438:41,

1440:44, 1441:32,

1441:33, 1441:35,

1442:3, 1448:23,

1448:31, 1449:8,

1463:36, 1464:16,

1464:18, 1464:23,

1466:10, 1466:21,

1467:13, 1471:8,

1471:23, 1480:22,

1480:26, 1480:30,

1480:32, 1498:14,

1500:1, 1500:3,

1500:44, 1501:10,

1507:8, 1515:15,

1515:29, 1516:31,

1516:39, 1517:2,

1517:7, 1517:21,

1519:16, 1521:23,

1521:43, 1522:7,

1522:20, 1522:23,

1522:26, 1522:30,

1522:43, 1523:18,

1523:26, 1523:37,

1523:45, 1525:42,

1525:43

EMAIL [3] - 1519:21,

1523:32, 1524:2

emailed [4] - 1474:31,

1479:42, 1480:5

emails [14] - 1449:12,

1474:47, 1475:9,

1507:17, 1514:45,

1515:11, 1515:13,

1515:39, 1517:43,

1518:6, 1519:15,

1521:37, 1523:24,

1523:44

EMAILS [3] - 1519:20,

1523:30, 1524:1

emerged [1] - 1417:47

emergency [4] -

1416:40, 1416:44,

1417:28, 1418:3

Emergency [1] -

1419:26

emphasis [1] -

1444:26

employed [2] -

1489:24, 1504:47

EMT [8] - 1412:5,

1413:47, 1414:43,

1416:4, 1416:16,

1416:20, 1427:9,

1427:13

enacted [4] - 1404:47,

1405:4, 1405:7,

1407:39

enactment [1] -

1405:26

encourage [2] -

1447:46, 1532:29

encouraged [3] -

1469:33, 1527:24,

1532:17

encouraging [3] -

1486:46, 1488:3,

1530:24

end [18] - 1420:23,

1420:29, 1420:34,

1425:37, 1443:20,

1446:36, 1452:9,

1469:28, 1492:37,

1494:46, 1494:47,

1506:10, 1508:42,

1515:42, 1535:22,

1535:37, 1537:22,

1538:2

endeavour [2] -

1412:16, 1412:47

endorsement [1] -

1436:46

energy [1] - 1484:45

engage [4] - 1413:16,

1446:28, 1447:33,

1534:9

engaged [8] -

1404:40, 1406:10,

1413:18, 1414:1,

1453:18, 1460:25,

1469:36, 1482:12

engaging [1] -

1473:33

engineer [1] - 1533:2

enquiries [5] - 1409:8,

1409:10, 1420:35,

1444:13, 1455:41

enquiry [1] - 1444:23

ensure [12] - 1406:8,

1407:28, 1420:36,

1424:13, 1429:8,

1433:14, 1443:47,

1448:24, 1449:17,

1463:45, 1498:21,

1506:26

ensured [1] - 1491:31

ensuring [2] -

1431:32, 1488:6

enterprise [5] -

1411:22, 1411:26,

1421:7, 1430:33,

1436:21

enthusiastic [1] -

1527:29

entire [1] - 1489:28

entirely [1] - 1421:14

entirety [1] - 1505:4

entrance [1] - 1533:3

entry [5] - 1495:5,

1514:21, 1515:21,

1515:39, 1516:10

envelope [1] - 1536:15

environment [1] -

1513:31

environmental [5] -

1424:21, 1424:25,

1448:38, 1498:6,

1513:29

EPA [2] - 1419:35,

1534:20

equipment [2] -

1417:35, 1484:44

especially [1] -

1511:22

establish [1] -

1436:18

established [6] -

1407:12, 1410:9,

1436:15, 1466:22,

1468:3, 1511:38

establishment [1] -

1463:32

Et [1] - 1516:36

et [11] - 1407:12,

1412:12, 1417:3,

1427:24, 1427:36,

1428:14, 1449:40,

1472:15, 1477:27,

1488:7, 1521:23

evening [1] - 1500:47

eventually [3] -

1512:40, 1512:42,

1524:22

EVIDENCE [1] -

1519:32

evidence [48] -

1424:30, 1433:6,

1439:34, 1442:41,

1449:41, 1450:22,

1453:37, 1453:46,

1454:3, 1454:24,

1455:46, 1457:6,

1457:16, 1458:18,

1458:22, 1459:6,

1459:8, 1459:21,

1462:28, 1462:30,

1468:36, 1476:42,

1486:35, 1486:37,

1491:27, 1495:30,

1496:39, 1498:9,

1503:34, 1503:43,

1506:7, 1508:24,

1510:15, 1510:38,

1511:3, 1511:18,

1519:27, 1520:12,

1521:19, 1523:1,

1524:24, 1525:44,

1530:18, 1530:26,

1531:8, 1535:39,

1537:26, 1537:40

Evidence [1] - 1453:5

evidence-in-chief [1] -

1510:38

evidenced [1] -

1520:46

exact [2] - 1500:17,

1526:13

exactly [3] - 1405:36,

1485:15, 1489:45

examination [1] -

1506:22

EXAMINATION [2] -

1479:5, 1509:28

examine [4] - 1457:23,

1457:47, 1495:29,

1506:9

example [8] - 1406:47,

1414:15, 1414:40,

1438:2, 1447:4,

1447:5, 1492:22,

1520:14

examples [1] -

1424:18

excellent [2] - 1468:3,

1518:20

except [1] - 1442:27

exceptionally [1] -

1527:29

excused [2] - 1537:10,

1537:12

excuses [1] - 1445:3

executive [27] -

1412:5, 1416:23,

1416:27, 1419:46,

1420:9, 1420:14,

1430:26, 1433:16,

1437:36, 1443:33,

1444:5, 1445:44,

1445:46, 1464:3,

1464:37, 1465:19,

1465:23, 1470:15,

1470:16, 1498:8,

1500:45, 1514:12,

1518:27, 1519:7,

1522:27, 1525:30

EXECUTIVE [2] -

1519:11, 1525:34

exercise [3] - 1486:28,

1486:39, 1487:1

exercising [1] -

1488:11

exert [1] - 1525:41

exhibit [3] - 1464:18,

1518:46, 1535:30

Exhibit [37] - 1404:28,

1422:24, 1422:45,

1423:11, 1450:35,

1450:37, 1458:44,

1459:1, 1459:13,

1462:11, 1464:26,

1467:19, 1467:21,

1478:39, 1485:46,

1494:31, 1494:35,

1499:7, 1499:9,

1499:14, 1504:11,

1504:13, 1504:15,

1504:27, 1504:30,

1518:7, 1519:2,

1519:9, 1519:18,

1519:28, 1520:28,

1520:33, 1523:7,

1523:10, 1523:28,

1523:46, 1525:32

EXHIBIT [13] -

1478:41, 1519:4,

1519:11, 1519:20,

1519:30, 1520:35,

1523:30, 1524:1,

1524:38, 1525:4,

1525:34, 1536:6,

1536:39

exhibits [1] - 1494:28

exists [1] - 1477:5

expand [1] - 1533:29

expect [6] - 1488:14,

1488:17, 1488:20,

1488:30, 1488:47,

1519:37

expectation [1] -

1448:41

expected [8] -

1415:19, 1439:38,

1439:45, 1440:2,

1442:26, 1442:35,

1450:9, 1487:1

expecting [1] -

1536:14

expeditiously [1] -

1537:44

expenditure [1] -

1472:18

expertise [2] -

1445:29, 1488:28

experts [4] - 1426:28,

1426:47, 1443:16,

1460:29

expire [2] - 1481:34,

1481:43

explain [2] - 1456:39,

1511:46

explained [2] -

1441:9, 1486:21

explaining [1] -

1501:11

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explore [2] - 1437:40,

1530:1

explored [1] - 1506:16

exposed [1] - 1496:16

exposure [1] -

1412:17

express [1] - 1476:13

expressed [1] -

1508:3

expressing [3] -

1411:5, 1451:46,

1466:35

expression [1] -

1481:43

extend [1] - 1431:36

extended [1] -

1469:15

extending [1] -

1469:18

extends [1] - 1470:33

extension [2] -

1469:13, 1469:37

extent [3] - 1431:47,

1444:22, 1507:28

external [7] - 1493:17,

1493:18, 1493:20,

1493:23, 1493:24,

1493:47, 1514:5

extra [4] - 1469:30,

1488:15, 1511:7,

1524:32

extract [1] - 1510:11

extracts [2] - 1468:22,

1484:23

eye [2] - 1470:17,

1535:10

F

face [1] - 1496:4

faced [1] - 1477:23

facilitate [1] - 1534:10

facilities [2] - 1466:12,

1534:21

facility [3] - 1520:13,

1533:3, 1533:4

facing [1] - 1482:36

fact [13] - 1429:24,

1444:36, 1453:23,

1456:30, 1457:5,

1457:15, 1458:38,

1460:9, 1461:19,

1462:41, 1468:17,

1497:31, 1529:6

failed [3] - 1463:7,

1478:16, 1529:4

failing [1] - 1478:33

failure [3] - 1478:10,

1491:30

failures [5] - 1477:33,

1478:3, 1478:9,

1478:28, 1492:31

fair [6] - 1414:6,

1491:27, 1491:41,

1504:45, 1505:4,

1521:12

fairly [7] - 1406:27,

1411:23, 1415:39,

1421:33, 1426:30,

1492:7, 1508:21

fairness [4] - 1426:3,

1489:28, 1504:17,

1508:9

fall [3] - 1412:19,

1435:32, 1435:37

falling [2] - 1430:15,

1434:13

familiarise [3] -

1405:8, 1438:24,

1439:9

fantastic [1] - 1422:15

far [3] - 1518:37,

1518:39, 1523:5

fashion [2] - 1458:5,

1537:47

faster [1] - 1414:10

fault [1] - 1458:19

favourable [1] -

1511:18

fearful [1] - 1452:19

featured [1] - 1496:38

February [14] -

1410:3, 1410:34,

1425:8, 1434:23,

1438:20, 1438:40,

1479:30, 1479:32,

1479:46, 1480:12,

1480:14, 1480:19,

1524:43, 1525:1

FEBRUARY [1] -

1525:5

Federal [1] - 1422:11

feedback [6] -

1446:41, 1448:10,

1448:13, 1533:31,

1533:32, 1534:12

feelings [1] - 1528:21

felt [2] - 1442:27,

1443:13

few [10] - 1433:25,

1443:39, 1483:30,

1509:11, 1510:46,

1511:7, 1513:24,

1514:19, 1514:44,

1514:46

FFTF [1] - 1423:18

field [3] - 1431:18,

1443:16, 1498:21

fielded [1] - 1447:18

fifth [1] - 1436:42

file [1] - 1444:16

file:SCL:50 [1] -

1536:3

FILE:SCL:50 [1] -

1536:7

final [4] - 1423:17,

1485:6, 1508:7,

1536:9

finalised [1] - 1474:42

finally [1] - 1508:42

finance [1] - 1416:22

finances [1] - 1423:40

financial [1] - 1424:3

fine [4] - 1518:15,

1534:13, 1534:15,

1537:46

finish [2] - 1504:44,

1519:44

finished [11] -

1407:14, 1419:12,

1424:20, 1440:7,

1458:45, 1459:38,

1463:30, 1465:27,

1493:7, 1501:45,

1508:44

fire [4] - 1417:28,

1417:37, 1504:4,

1504:35

fires [18] - 1416:47,

1417:9, 1417:14,

1417:24, 1417:42,

1417:47, 1418:35,

1419:12, 1419:29,

1419:31, 1419:32,

1420:30, 1420:34,

1420:39, 1421:15,

1421:19, 1421:21,

1422:10

firmer [1] - 1506:18

first [45] - 1406:14,

1408:35, 1415:45,

1421:28, 1422:18,

1426:7, 1428:11,

1429:19, 1432:9,

1440:22, 1441:34,

1443:41, 1446:15,

1452:4, 1453:47,

1462:12, 1468:17,

1471:12, 1472:10,

1477:2, 1481:31,

1481:38, 1484:41,

1487:38, 1494:16,

1494:17, 1495:35,

1508:44, 1509:4,

1509:31, 1510:47,

1515:15, 1515:20,

1515:39, 1515:43,

1517:22, 1520:45,

1521:6, 1522:37,

1523:26, 1523:37,

1523:44, 1529:5,

1530:34, 1534:24

FIRST [2] - 1523:32,

1524:1

firstly [1] - 1452:37

fit [10] - 1421:18,

1422:18, 1424:5,

1424:8, 1424:10,

1424:14, 1424:19,

1513:26, 1518:3,

1535:30

five [3] - 1431:26,

1504:19, 1519:35

fixed [1] - 1476:23

flick [1] - 1467:12

flood [1] - 1474:47

flow [1] - 1489:34

flow-on [1] - 1489:34

flowed [1] - 1487:18

flowing [1] - 1489:20

focus [11] - 1418:36,

1421:7, 1429:2,

1430:46, 1434:35,

1434:41, 1454:37,

1487:11, 1487:19,

1487:20, 1492:8

focused [1] - 1511:21

focusing [1] - 1411:47

folder [7] - 1460:20,

1463:31, 1467:19,

1467:20, 1469:6,

1479:16, 1499:14

follow [9] - 1434:20,

1452:42, 1453:27,

1453:28, 1496:26,

1501:13, 1502:19,

1503:7, 1507:13

followed [6] - 1406:9,

1426:31, 1444:37,

1461:45, 1498:16,

1509:3

following [17] -

1412:11, 1417:47,

1421:26, 1432:9,

1434:12, 1434:31,

1442:10, 1442:46,

1443:35, 1443:40,

1447:29, 1447:30,

1461:6, 1462:8,

1491:28, 1492:6,

1500:15

follows [1] - 1437:3

foot [3] - 1404:29,

1433:26, 1434:8

FOR [3] - 1519:12,

1519:31, 1525:35

forget [1] - 1436:33

forgotten [1] -

1499:37

form [11] - 1415:33,

1434:22, 1445:12,

1445:33, 1448:31,

1449:8, 1454:34,

1457:4, 1457:15,

1502:21, 1509:45

former [1] - 1532:25

formulated [1] -

1473:37

fortnight [1] - 1406:38

forums [1] - 1421:31

forward [11] - 1404:1,

1411:6, 1418:35,

1443:7, 1443:47,

1445:14, 1472:18,

1472:30, 1473:1,

1493:45, 1534:11

forwarded [2] -

1517:7, 1522:28

four [2] - 1464:31,

1519:36

fourth [2] - 1417:32,

1436:40

frame [4] - 1455:32,

1455:46, 1455:47

free [1] - 1436:26

fresh [1] - 1510:27

friable [1] - 1417:30

friend [2] - 1464:30,

1535:42

FROM [6] - 1478:41,

1519:21, 1520:35,

1523:31, 1523:32,

1524:2

front [6] - 1419:34,

1479:44, 1482:43,

1499:11, 1499:21,

1522:6

full [6] - 1404:15,

1422:9, 1444:22,

1451:37, 1471:32,

1534:23

full-on [1] - 1422:9

full-time [1] - 1471:32

fully [2] - 1475:41,

1513:32

function [1] - 1503:25

fund [1] - 1422:5

funding [3] - 1472:29,

1472:41, 1472:47

funds [1] - 1488:8

FURTHER [1] - 1524:1

future [9] - 1421:18,

1422:18, 1424:5,

1424:8, 1424:10,

1424:14, 1424:19,

1472:26, 1513:26

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G

gain [1] - 1408:13

gaining [1] - 1488:7

game [1] - 1436:21

Gantt [1] - 1517:34

gap [11] - 1404:31,

1404:44, 1434:12,

1436:25, 1436:33,

1482:13, 1482:19,

1489:43, 1491:14,

1491:16, 1516:8

Gaps [1] - 1434:22

gaps [2] - 1434:32,

1508:29

Gaps" [1] - 1434:9

Gary [1] - 1525:45

Gazette [1] - 1496:38

general [22] - 1404:19,

1416:26, 1417:46,

1440:10, 1440:45,

1447:12, 1448:11,

1449:45, 1459:25,

1466:8, 1473:46,

1484:42, 1485:39,

1485:43, 1486:12,

1486:17, 1503:26,

1505:21, 1509:30,

1521:34

generally [19] -

1411:39, 1411:46,

1412:42, 1417:16,

1418:11, 1426:14,

1447:9, 1447:15,

1447:17, 1465:33,

1468:13, 1487:16,

1492:20, 1505:36,

1507:34, 1520:46,

1521:2, 1528:40,

1530:27

gentlemen [2] -

1432:30, 1537:7

genuine [1] - 1451:47

genuinely [3] -

1446:32, 1451:42,

1451:47

George [1] - 1517:24

gist [1] - 1451:5

given [40] - 1421:47,

1424:42, 1426:19,

1436:22, 1442:41,

1443:42, 1444:1,

1445:28, 1446:9,

1448:18, 1451:37,

1453:1, 1453:26,

1454:38, 1455:6,

1455:42, 1457:6,

1457:16, 1457:20,

1458:22, 1464:22,

1472:19, 1474:1,

1481:42, 1487:7,

1491:27, 1492:36,

1492:40, 1503:43,

1506:7, 1515:7,

1516:19, 1517:21,

1518:6, 1521:19,

1522:17, 1526:18,

1530:18, 1537:39

GIVING [1] - 1519:31

Glenbrook [1] -

1498:39

Glover [23] - 1418:30,

1479:42, 1485:32,

1486:5, 1486:7,

1487:18, 1488:3,

1501:6, 1510:42,

1510:45, 1510:46,

1511:6, 1511:7,

1512:19, 1514:39,

1518:2, 1520:25,

1522:17, 1522:41,

1524:9, 1535:29,

1536:29, 1537:23

GLOVER [97] -

1404:15, 1409:41,

1410:23, 1410:27,

1410:33, 1412:39,

1416:33, 1416:37,

1418:32, 1419:2,

1419:8, 1419:41,

1422:24, 1422:28,

1422:32, 1422:37,

1422:47, 1423:5,

1423:9, 1423:14,

1423:24, 1423:28,

1423:32, 1425:12,

1426:3, 1436:6,

1438:17, 1439:23,

1439:32, 1450:24,

1450:28, 1450:32,

1450:37, 1450:43,

1453:35, 1454:2,

1454:12, 1454:17,

1454:31, 1455:13,

1455:22, 1455:26,

1455:30, 1455:35,

1455:41, 1456:4,

1456:42, 1458:25,

1458:43, 1466:42,

1467:4, 1476:34,

1476:45, 1477:8,

1477:14, 1477:19,

1478:36, 1478:44,

1479:28, 1479:46,

1486:31, 1486:35,

1486:39, 1487:30,

1487:37, 1487:43,

1487:47, 1489:5,

1491:35, 1492:12,

1494:30, 1494:35,

1495:25, 1499:7,

1499:19, 1504:13,

1504:17, 1504:23,

1508:20, 1511:2,

1518:5, 1518:12,

1518:23, 1518:27,

1518:31, 1518:36,

1518:44, 1520:27,

1522:37, 1522:46,

1523:21, 1523:37,

1524:41, 1525:11,

1535:41, 1537:1,

1537:5

Glover's [1] - 1506:27

GM [3] - 1433:34,

1433:42, 1519:28

GM" [1] - 1519:33

governance [20] -

1409:42, 1410:2,

1410:10, 1430:34,

1435:39, 1444:46,

1472:39, 1489:21,

1490:41, 1493:16,

1508:35, 1509:36,

1509:39, 1510:2,

1534:28, 1534:33,

1535:3, 1535:5,

1535:8

governing [10] -

1438:3, 1463:6,

1463:12, 1463:21,

1469:2, 1503:29,

1505:39, 1507:31,

1507:36, 1507:43

government [1] -

1421:38

GOVERNMENT [1] -

1403:13

Government [9] -

1408:22, 1420:40,

1421:42, 1422:11,

1423:16, 1424:22,

1431:42, 1481:33,

1513:36

government's [1] -

1424:15

Government's [3] -

1421:30, 1423:2,

1491:43

Grace [1] - 1516:44

Grant [1] - 1443:14

grateful [1] - 1464:30

great [5] - 1513:32,

1517:40, 1525:47,

1526:11, 1530:19

Greenhill [1] - 1459:5

Greenwood [63] -

1404:1, 1404:15,

1404:17, 1410:27,

1413:37, 1415:44,

1419:27, 1423:32,

1431:41, 1439:32,

1450:28, 1464:22,

1466:19, 1467:6,

1471:45, 1475:44,

1476:47, 1478:45,

1479:1, 1479:7,

1479:10, 1480:45,

1487:35, 1488:10,

1492:45, 1494:39,

1496:37, 1497:1,

1503:34, 1504:18,

1504:24, 1504:33,

1505:9, 1505:43,

1507:6, 1508:1,

1508:3, 1508:26,

1508:32, 1509:30,

1510:8, 1510:19,

1510:29, 1511:20,

1512:15, 1512:23,

1513:15, 1515:4,

1515:45, 1519:26,

1520:11, 1520:31,

1520:40, 1523:45,

1524:10, 1524:41,

1526:36, 1535:15,

1535:17, 1536:9,

1536:13, 1536:43,

1537:9

greenwood [1] -

1450:32

GREENWOOD [4] -

1404:3, 1519:31,

1520:36, 1524:2

Greenwood's [1] -

1508:24

grievance [3] -

1528:28, 1528:29,

1528:31

ground [2] - 1486:33,

1506:1

group [37] - 1409:12,

1409:42, 1410:3,

1410:6, 1416:21,

1428:37, 1436:12,

1436:15, 1437:16,

1437:21, 1437:23,

1437:26, 1437:28,

1437:31, 1441:5,

1471:15, 1471:21,

1471:22, 1471:24,

1471:46, 1472:7,

1472:25, 1472:39,

1490:31, 1490:33,

1490:35, 1490:47,

1491:2, 1498:10,

1498:14, 1500:10,

1509:44, 1527:19,

1535:4, 1535:6,

1535:15

grouping [1] -

1437:43

groups [3] - 1410:9,

1410:11, 1491:4

guarantee [3] -

1482:28, 1482:32,

1483:5

guaranteed [1] -

1452:39

guess [14] - 1411:32,

1413:10, 1419:34,

1429:8, 1434:47,

1443:26, 1444:4,

1445:21, 1446:29,

1461:9, 1465:2,

1468:11, 1473:9,

1473:22

guided [1] - 1535:26

guidelines [2] -

1409:27

gun [2] - 1530:12,

1530:13

gut [4] - 1526:37,

1526:40, 1526:41,

1527:32

H

Hadley [1] - 1507:1

Hahn [22] - 1449:4,

1472:17, 1511:27,

1512:44, 1512:47,

1522:30, 1523:18,

1523:26, 1526:29,

1526:45, 1527:9,

1527:25, 1528:44,

1530:20, 1530:23,

1530:25, 1531:1,

1531:9, 1531:15,

1532:5, 1534:14,

1534:47

HAHN [1] - 1523:32

Hahn's [2] - 1511:39,

1532:12

half [7] - 1454:31,

1511:18, 1511:28,

1513:10, 1519:37,

1519:44, 1520:2

halfway [7] - 1404:38,

1429:23, 1442:4,

1464:23, 1483:40,

1484:10, 1516:23

HALPIN [1] - 1519:21

Halpin [4] - 1515:17,

1515:26, 1516:39,

1519:16

hand [6] - 1421:44,

1495:22, 1495:47,

1499:34, 1504:9,

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1508:41

handed [1] - 1523:35

handle [1] - 1443:7

handled [1] - 1472:20

hands [3] - 1444:5,

1444:7, 1522:26

hands-on [2] - 1444:5,

1444:7

handwriting [4] -

1459:29, 1510:30,

1510:31, 1511:6

HANDWRITTEN [1] -

1519:30

handwritten [9] -

1459:26, 1500:24,

1500:25, 1510:29,

1511:14, 1518:42,

1518:44, 1519:25,

1524:17

hang [3] - 1523:14,

1530:8, 1536:23

happy [7] - 1425:2,

1442:30, 1450:5,

1475:15, 1511:2,

1519:46, 1536:23

hard [5] - 1500:4,

1502:24, 1502:26,

1524:33

harmonisation [1] -

1404:31

haste [2] - 1524:8,

1536:43

head [3] - 1418:17,

1456:12, 1489:26

HEADED [6] -

1478:41, 1519:4,

1519:11, 1519:32,

1524:38, 1536:40

headed [14] - 1434:22,

1442:4, 1467:8,

1467:34, 1469:46,

1470:20, 1478:39,

1483:18, 1511:27,

1519:1, 1519:7,

1519:27, 1524:35,

1536:36

heading [15] -

1405:40, 1416:42,

1425:20, 1427:30,

1428:8, 1429:19,

1434:9, 1453:5,

1453:37, 1462:24,

1462:30, 1470:23,

1477:1, 1477:21,

1514:20

headings [1] -

1515:23

health [26] - 1404:30,

1404:45, 1404:46,

1405:26, 1407:40,

1414:31, 1420:37,

1426:9, 1444:38,

1447:14, 1447:36,

1448:11, 1451:39,

1452:12, 1452:38,

1465:39, 1475:41,

1482:33, 1492:33,

1495:22, 1496:1,

1497:31, 1497:36,

1497:46, 1498:8,

1516:8

Health [6] - 1483:40,

1484:12, 1487:5,

1491:10, 1491:45,

1507:29

hear [1] - 1452:41

heard [4] - 1452:44,

1454:47, 1456:34,

1523:1

Hearing [1] - 1403:21

HEARING [1] -

1538:13

hearing [7] - 1404:7,

1404:10, 1455:38,

1457:3, 1457:13,

1458:7, 1510:21

hearings [5] -

1458:21, 1506:39,

1508:33, 1510:23,

1537:22

hearsay [1] - 1528:30

heavily [3] - 1411:33,

1411:34, 1419:21

held [2] - 1451:42,

1519:8

HELD [1] - 1519:12

Held [1] - 1403:25

Helen [2] - 1516:39,

1519:16

HELEN [1] - 1519:21

hell [1] - 1507:44

help [6] - 1491:41,

1492:36, 1492:39,

1499:4, 1505:25,

1507:20

helpfully [1] - 1423:3

helps [1] - 1526:40

Heritage [1] - 1424:25

heritage [1] - 1424:26

Hewitt [1] - 1419:18

high [10] - 1405:20,

1411:20, 1424:11,

1424:12, 1434:25,

1445:28, 1463:41,

1465:2, 1472:37,

1534:29

high" [3] - 1485:5,

1485:8, 1486:7

higher [1] - 1405:21

highest [4] - 1443:17,

1443:23, 1445:36,

1485:11

highlighting [1] -

1522:5

highly [2] - 1505:44,

1509:42

highs [1] - 1434:29

himself [3] - 1508:3,

1530:24, 1530:25

HIS [1] - 1519:31

hmm [30] - 1414:17,

1417:4, 1425:23,

1427:16, 1430:19,

1434:17, 1438:25,

1449:36, 1453:11,

1460:23, 1462:26,

1464:20, 1466:14,

1466:30, 1468:20,

1468:25, 1468:34,

1470:29, 1471:10,

1477:28, 1482:7,

1482:16, 1482:45,

1483:28, 1484:46,

1494:40, 1500:12,

1516:37, 1516:41,

1517:10

hoc [1] - 1466:38

holders [1] - 1407:29

holding [1] - 1421:31

home [1] - 1536:15

hope [1] - 1467:22

hopefully [1] - 1471:5

hour [4] - 1511:18,

1519:38, 1519:44,

1520:3

hourglass [3] -

1508:33, 1508:35,

1508:37

hours [1] - 1520:13

house [2] - 1504:4,

1504:35

housekeeping [1] -

1537:17

houses [1] - 1421:35

hygienists [1] -

1443:28

hypothetically [1] -

1488:10

I

i) [1] - 1441:15

idea [4] - 1471:25,

1486:45, 1526:11,

1537:38

ideal [1] - 1503:20

identification [4] -

1428:13, 1434:31,

1524:30, 1524:44

identified [18] -

1405:20, 1411:29,

1413:19, 1426:27,

1434:12, 1434:22,

1434:24, 1453:42,

1454:28, 1455:7,

1461:19, 1462:32,

1474:18, 1478:28,

1486:5, 1488:39,

1491:39, 1495:36

identify [10] - 1412:16,

1412:47, 1444:9,

1455:10, 1467:13,

1470:25, 1472:37,

1479:28, 1489:12,

1490:5

identifying [6] -

1418:2, 1467:14,

1484:39, 1485:11,

1485:19, 1499:5

identity [1] - 1458:13

ignoring [1] - 1441:32

ILGRP [1] - 1423:17

ill [1] - 1531:37

imagine [1] - 1509:19

immature [1] -

1509:40

Immediate [1] -

1469:47

immediate [7] -

1419:32, 1421:41,

1442:30, 1460:21,

1460:33, 1470:11,

1498:19

immediately [10] -

1418:9, 1419:12,

1420:39, 1441:20,

1488:18, 1488:20,

1507:31, 1508:45,

1509:3, 1510:39

impact [2] - 1421:41,

1465:44

impacted [2] -

1417:27, 1498:21

impacting [1] -

1531:38

impacts [1] - 1421:21

impart [1] - 1411:2

implement [3] -

1483:1, 1487:26,

1488:13

implementation [1] -

1487:43

implemented [4] -

1457:41, 1482:25,

1519:28, 1535:11

IMPLEMENTED [1] -

1519:33

implementing [4] -

1429:10, 1482:27,

1488:27, 1509:4

importance [4] -

1450:16, 1475:27,

1520:16, 1521:34

important [13] -

1410:46, 1411:28,

1425:33, 1430:35,

1431:32, 1433:4,

1433:10, 1465:39,

1468:37, 1475:42,

1503:29, 1505:26,

1535:37

impossible [1] -

1423:7

impressed [1] -

1418:18

improve [5] - 1411:24,

1465:4, 1485:15,

1485:16, 1510:2

improvement [24] -

1428:44, 1428:45,

1429:46, 1430:32,

1430:46, 1431:13,

1441:35, 1462:42,

1482:24, 1482:27,

1489:22, 1489:23,

1494:11, 1501:14,

1501:35, 1502:47,

1504:42, 1505:38,

1507:27, 1507:42,

1507:43, 1508:43,

1521:8, 1525:42

improvements [1] -

1532:44

improving [3] -

1410:11, 1430:30,

1430:41

IN [2] - 1501:33,

1519:13

in my submission [1]

- 1519:36

inaccurate [1] -

1443:44

inadequately [1] -

1521:4

inadvertently [1] -

1457:24

inbox [1] - 1440:45

incident [2] - 1426:26,

1494:10

incidents [1] -

1426:43

include [1] - 1517:34

included [4] -

1473:35, 1483:30,

1497:25, 1497:29

including [5] - 1457:5,

1457:15, 1488:31,

1517:8, 1519:25

INCLUDING [1] -

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1519:30

incorrect [3] - 1427:5,

1483:42, 1484:16

increase [2] - 1529:25,

1532:42

increases [1] -

1481:27

indeed [1] - 1506:20

independent [4] -

1408:45, 1408:47,

1482:12, 1493:38

independently [1] -

1412:15

indicate [8] - 1415:47,

1416:9, 1420:11,

1459:36, 1459:37,

1504:17, 1504:23,

1517:47

indicated [6] -

1431:12, 1436:26,

1450:9, 1452:31,

1532:13, 1532:14

indication [1] -

1416:15

indistinct [18] -

1413:6, 1424:19,

1436:1, 1453:41,

1471:5, 1481:11,

1488:40, 1489:6,

1490:26, 1494:17,

1495:23, 1495:27,

1502:16, 1509:21,

1523:3, 1523:25,

1528:22, 1528:25

indistinct) [6] -

1481:3, 1481:5,

1506:3, 1509:26,

1518:18, 1518:42

individual [5] -

1429:32, 1433:45,

1461:11, 1461:13,

1474:32

individuals [1] -

1447:17

inference [4] -

1526:18, 1526:35,

1527:9, 1527:37

inferred [1] - 1515:7

inform [2] - 1412:40,

1421:32

information [19] -

1415:20, 1430:21,

1430:22, 1443:42,

1444:1, 1444:16,

1448:7, 1448:12,

1448:13, 1448:42,

1449:27, 1451:37,

1452:5, 1456:13,

1478:29, 1485:33,

1497:22, 1521:35,

1521:36

informed [5] - 1413:5,

1413:47, 1414:43,

1475:38, 1507:31

infrastructure [1] -

1422:7

initial [3] - 1419:32,

1453:41, 1454:25

initials [2] - 1522:4,

1536:37

INITIALS [1] - 1536:40

initiate [1] - 1433:9

initiated [4] - 1423:18,

1433:7, 1446:35,

1522:7

initiative [2] -

1463:37, 1533:38

initiatives [2] -

1510:20, 1519:28

INITIATIVES [1] -

1519:33

INQUIRY [1] - 1403:13

inquiry [10] - 1434:30,

1456:14, 1457:6,

1457:16, 1457:46,

1506:14, 1506:20,

1510:25, 1536:20,

1537:40

inquiry's [1] - 1457:23

inserted [1] - 1456:20

inside [1] - 1536:16

insisted [1] - 1527:11

inspect [1] - 1440:19

inspected [1] -

1444:18

inspecting [1] -

1478:13

inspection [10] -

1405:20, 1428:14,

1441:37, 1442:3,

1442:5, 1442:10,

1443:40, 1445:9,

1488:37, 1501:27

Inspection [1] -

1442:6

inspections [1] -

1428:16

inspector [1] -

1449:39

instance [1] - 1444:7

institutions [1] -

1422:14

instructed [1] -

1500:44

intended [1] - 1498:15

intention [1] - 1509:23

interacted [1] - 1437:9

interaction [1] -

1445:16

interactions [1] -

1445:15

interactive [1] -

1469:3

interest [1] - 1525:47

interests [4] -

1509:12, 1524:8,

1526:8, 1530:31

interim [2] - 1455:17,

1456:43

internal [3] - 1409:33,

1409:36, 1423:19

internally [1] -

1493:20

interrupt [1] - 1424:37

interrupted [1] -

1418:29

interruptions [2] -

1513:25, 1514:6

intervened [1] -

1460:13

intervening [1] -

1443:44

intervention [2] -

1412:39, 1441:28

interview [1] - 1509:38

intranet [4] - 1409:32,

1409:38, 1409:39,

1468:18

introduced [4] -

1411:35, 1416:3,

1497:12, 1532:32

introduction [2] -

1417:23, 1430:32

introduction" [1] -

1428:8

intrusive [1] - 1466:12

invite [6] - 1511:5,

1512:19, 1514:39,

1518:2, 1522:17,

1535:29

inviting [1] - 1536:11

involved [13] - 1418:1,

1419:21, 1421:34,

1423:40, 1428:24,

1428:33, 1428:37,

1445:12, 1464:1,

1470:11, 1474:39,

1475:47, 1530:25

involvement [3] -

1437:8, 1445:26,

1530:2

Irvine [1] - 1496:38

IS [1] - 1536:40

isolated [1] - 1426:46

issuance [1] - 1501:14

issue [73] - 1410:43,

1411:28, 1411:38,

1414:11, 1417:8,

1417:46, 1418:12,

1418:34, 1418:42,

1421:15, 1422:11,

1422:34, 1431:10,

1431:24, 1432:26,

1438:38, 1440:35,

1444:12, 1444:35,

1445:43, 1446:35,

1446:47, 1447:16,

1447:22, 1447:40,

1450:11, 1451:40,

1452:4, 1452:12,

1452:15, 1452:19,

1452:42, 1452:47,

1453:13, 1453:15,

1460:42, 1464:9,

1464:14, 1464:46,

1465:7, 1465:39,

1465:40, 1465:44,

1466:21, 1466:32,

1469:2, 1470:14,

1473:39, 1476:18,

1487:43, 1489:1,

1489:2, 1489:5,

1489:8, 1493:47,

1495:11, 1496:43,

1496:47, 1497:2,

1497:5, 1503:39,

1505:25, 1507:5,

1507:27, 1517:46,

1520:14, 1520:22,

1523:12, 1523:14,

1529:47, 1530:15,

1535:33

issued [7] - 1408:21,

1408:40, 1432:14,

1440:22, 1466:16,

1500:9, 1503:37

issues [65] - 1410:46,

1411:20, 1419:13,

1419:36, 1422:5,

1422:6, 1423:39,

1423:40, 1424:25,

1424:26, 1424:31,

1428:25, 1430:35,

1431:26, 1434:46,

1436:26, 1438:37,

1438:39, 1439:4,

1439:37, 1440:33,

1442:13, 1442:37,

1443:24, 1444:38,

1445:34, 1446:4,

1446:45, 1446:46,

1448:17, 1448:19,

1451:10, 1452:1,

1452:20, 1452:30,

1452:38, 1452:46,

1460:47, 1462:39,

1464:12, 1465:1,

1465:24, 1466:1,

1469:1, 1469:4,

1471:28, 1473:22,

1474:5, 1474:46,

1475:7, 1475:9,

1478:19, 1484:43,

1487:37, 1488:14,

1491:29, 1492:15,

1492:20, 1495:43,

1499:34, 1505:23,

1509:37, 1526:7,

1528:33, 1531:23

issuing [2] - 1488:43,

1504:42

it'd [3] - 1416:21,

1440:31, 1440:33

it'll [2] - 1514:45,

1537:7

item [17] - 1445:45,

1459:25, 1462:20,

1462:31, 1462:33,

1462:35, 1462:36,

1467:33, 1472:3,

1472:10, 1472:15,

1495:3, 1496:45,

1497:12, 1497:17,

1514:19, 1525:16

items [8] - 1459:32,

1467:44, 1473:30,

1478:15, 1499:27,

1499:28, 1499:42,

1507:18

iterations [2] - 1419:5,

1419:45

itself [2] - 1503:36,

1525:41

J

Jamieson [2] -

1519:9, 1525:32

JAMIESON [2] -

1519:13, 1525:36

Jane [1] - 1522:27

January [6] - 1404:47,

1405:26, 1414:32,

1514:43, 1517:23,

1517:24

Jasmine [1] - 1437:35

jeopardy [1] - 1453:1

job [12] - 1451:40,

1451:44, 1452:20,

1453:1, 1464:45,

1465:3, 1465:23,

1470:42, 1488:17,

1505:21, 1531:1,

1531:27

Johnston [23] -

1438:20, 1438:36,

1439:8, 1439:37,

1439:40, 1449:32,

1450:47, 1451:10,

1451:29, 1451:46,

1452:35, 1453:13,

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15

1453:28, 1454:46,

1525:45, 1526:31,

1526:46, 1526:47,

1527:18, 1527:35,

1528:20, 1528:21,

1528:26

Johnston's [2] -

1451:42, 1527:28

joined [1] - 1526:12

judgment [1] - 1487:2

July [15] - 1467:9,

1467:23, 1467:24,

1467:26, 1467:45,

1469:9, 1469:45,

1494:21, 1494:38,

1501:6, 1502:3,

1507:6, 1507:7,

1507:16, 1513:17

jumped [1] - 1530:12

June [20] - 1422:28,

1423:38, 1462:8,

1462:13, 1463:32,

1464:16, 1464:19,

1466:10, 1481:34,

1481:44, 1482:37,

1503:4, 1503:16,

1503:43, 1504:1,

1504:32, 1504:42,

1505:13, 1507:19,

1508:11

jurisdiction [1] -

1506:9

justify [1] - 1485:22

K

Katoomba [7] -

1403:27, 1426:25,

1438:37, 1442:12,

1446:16, 1520:13,

1520:33

KATOOMBA" [1] -

1520:38

keen [4] - 1449:15,

1526:47, 1527:5,

1527:29

keep [4] - 1460:17,

1481:8, 1520:9,

1535:10

keeping [1] - 1470:17

KEITH [1] - 1404:3

Keith [1] - 1404:17

Kelly [1] - 1440:10

kept [4] - 1424:4,

1443:36, 1444:17,

1475:38

Keszler [1] - 1520:30

KESZLER [1] -

1520:35

Kevin [2] - 1495:7

key [5] - 1423:40,

1431:26, 1442:37,

1509:37

Keyes [1] - 1537:5

kind [1] - 1534:18

Kirrilly [1] - 1449:5

Kitching [11] - 1412:5,

1412:12, 1415:45,

1416:10, 1425:19,

1427:9, 1427:12,

1427:14, 1427:31,

1517:37, 1517:38

Kley [3] - 1498:43,

1498:44, 1498:45

knowledge [5] -

1442:29, 1444:40,

1515:7, 1526:9,

1526:18

known [4] - 1412:5,

1456:20, 1456:29,

1535:4

knows [3] - 1421:20,

1424:47, 1456:21

Kolar [1] - 1467:14

KOOSH [1] - 1520:13

KS [3] - 1495:6,

1495:36, 1496:14

L

labelled [3] - 1442:38,

1444:19, 1478:14

lack [2] - 1444:39,

1489:8

land [1] - 1534:24

Langevad [1] - 1404:6

large [1] - 1480:34

largely [1] - 1429:31

larger [2] - 1469:8,

1484:29

last [24] - 1405:45,

1419:42, 1422:10,

1423:28, 1427:12,

1433:27, 1438:31,

1438:33, 1454:47,

1459:6, 1459:18,

1459:21, 1462:30,

1467:15, 1467:33,

1468:1, 1468:17,

1468:27, 1482:9,

1486:8, 1491:17,

1501:12, 1502:17,

1515:16

late [5] - 1444:38,

1482:37, 1529:3,

1529:6, 1531:29

latter [1] - 1532:26

lawful [1] - 1492:22

Laws [1] - 1482:1

laws [1] - 1482:33

Lawson [3] - 1476:6,

1500:47, 1501:1

lead [1] - 1430:25

leader [7] - 1405:15,

1419:20, 1423:42,

1429:39, 1431:15,

1446:39, 1471:39

leaders [1] - 1472:35

LEADERSHIP [1] -

1525:34

leadership [9] -

1418:23, 1431:15,

1464:37, 1500:45,

1517:25, 1525:30,

1529:3, 1531:29,

1532:33

leading [5] - 1431:26,

1443:27, 1489:23,

1509:12, 1509:19

learned [1] - 1535:42

least [6] - 1460:14,

1478:4, 1507:17,

1513:15, 1521:42,

1530:23

leave [1] - 1466:7

leaving [3] - 1418:47,

1506:9, 1527:18

Lee [3] - 1514:23,

1514:32

left [12] - 1422:13,

1429:31, 1444:36,

1444:40, 1452:28,

1465:40, 1490:8,

1490:13, 1510:26,

1526:5, 1526:12,

1531:24

legacy [1] - 1465:39

legal [2] - 1521:7,

1534:25

legally [1] - 1506:41

Legislation [1] -

1425:21

legislation [18] -

1404:47, 1405:4,

1405:26, 1405:27,

1407:40, 1414:32,

1414:35, 1420:37,

1426:9, 1483:39,

1483:42, 1484:16,

1488:7, 1492:34,

1497:31, 1497:46,

1507:35, 1514:43

legislative [3] -

1425:14, 1431:4,

1431:33

legislatively [1] -

1493:28

length [1] - 1469:37

LEP [4] - 1424:39,

1424:44, 1425:4,

1513:28

less [2] - 1423:24,

1519:44

letter [6] - 1440:5,

1440:6, 1440:45,

1474:30, 1474:36,

1475:20

letters [2] - 1440:37,

1475:37

level [25] - 1411:20,

1411:23, 1413:8,

1413:10, 1423:36,

1424:11, 1433:22,

1434:45, 1435:38,

1436:19, 1436:25,

1436:38, 1437:7,

1437:42, 1444:47,

1445:21, 1445:28,

1445:47, 1448:17,

1472:35, 1488:31,

1491:30, 1509:35,

1520:16, 1532:44

levels [2] - 1464:6,

1532:33

liaise [1] - 1468:13

liaising [1] - 1469:25

licensing [1] -

1534:21

Liddell [22] - 1409:14,

1409:15, 1432:27,

1440:32, 1445:19,

1450:17, 1451:24,

1453:27, 1454:42,

1461:3, 1461:43,

1474:40, 1490:26,

1490:28, 1490:38,

1491:24, 1511:46,

1512:12, 1512:22,

1528:32, 1533:39

life [2] - 1470:34,

1470:37

life's [1] - 1515:38

life-span [1] - 1470:37

lift [1] - 1532:44

lifting [1] - 1436:21

light [1] - 1511:2

likely [4] - 1432:29,

1432:31, 1435:41,

1526:18

limited [3] - 1458:31,

1462:31, 1470:37

line [7] - 1416:7,

1433:27, 1449:38,

1477:21, 1481:31,

1481:38, 1482:10

lines [4] - 1430:3,

1459:32, 1476:22,

1488:1

list [5] - 1464:29,

1484:45, 1499:28,

1499:35, 1510:19

listed [4] - 1415:5,

1467:44, 1494:39,

1525:43

living [1] - 1421:35

load [1] - 1440:27

Local [4] - 1408:21,

1423:2, 1431:42,

1481:33

local [4] - 1421:44,

1424:21, 1513:28,

1513:31

LOCAL [1] - 1403:13

located [1] - 1520:32

LOCATED [1] -

1520:37

location [1] - 1473:40

locations [1] -

1448:24

lodged [1] - 1423:38

logistics [1] - 1421:28

look [29] - 1412:10,

1425:20, 1428:6,

1434:34, 1440:33,

1450:3, 1451:3,

1452:46, 1454:42,

1455:4, 1455:7,

1455:19, 1455:24,

1467:40, 1468:1,

1469:44, 1470:47,

1471:1, 1472:36,

1472:42, 1475:15,

1481:31, 1492:22,

1508:24, 1516:12,

1518:21, 1529:23,

1535:9, 1535:17

looked [7] - 1450:3,

1450:4, 1458:11,

1464:6, 1470:43,

1502:46, 1516:11

looking [14] - 1412:29,

1423:46, 1427:46,

1445:47, 1447:16,

1453:33, 1472:47,

1473:5, 1473:8,

1473:12, 1473:19,

1473:21, 1502:45,

1504:7

looks [3] - 1417:41,

1423:21, 1450:33

lose [1] - 1451:40

losing [1] - 1451:44

lost [2] - 1483:47,

1524:6

low [1] - 1532:33

lower [2] - 1421:12,

1444:40

LUNCHEON [1] -

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1466:47

Lund [1] - 1537:5

M

m'mm [4] - 1470:1,

1501:29, 1514:10,

1526:24

Maddaford [10] -

1441:33, 1441:35,

1442:15, 1442:16,

1442:46, 1443:34,

1443:41, 1449:41,

1449:42, 1468:10

main [7] - 1451:36,

1458:14, 1473:22,

1479:26, 1501:4,

1506:8, 1514:9

maintain [2] -

1473:12, 1530:24

maintenance [3] -

1473:26, 1474:1,

1533:13

major [9] - 1421:20,

1422:2, 1422:11,

1422:21, 1424:27,

1445:45, 1483:7,

1495:22, 1496:1

majority [1] - 1509:19

manage [4] - 1412:16,

1412:47, 1528:41,

1535:10

managed [5] -

1412:19, 1429:24,

1429:30, 1442:43,

1470:19

management [101] -

1405:21, 1405:28,

1405:32, 1407:11,

1407:12, 1407:39,

1410:11, 1411:22,

1411:26, 1411:42,

1412:6, 1412:35,

1412:42, 1414:36,

1414:40, 1416:28,

1416:40, 1416:44,

1416:45, 1417:14,

1417:16, 1418:37,

1419:47, 1421:8,

1423:39, 1424:2,

1425:15, 1426:10,

1426:40, 1429:31,

1430:33, 1430:41,

1431:3, 1431:14,

1431:37, 1435:14,

1436:21, 1441:24,

1442:12, 1442:39,

1443:43, 1447:4,

1447:9, 1447:23,

1448:19, 1449:28,

1454:36, 1459:47,

1462:39, 1462:40,

1463:33, 1464:11,

1465:24, 1466:1,

1468:30, 1469:29,

1471:14, 1471:28,

1472:30, 1472:47,

1474:13, 1475:4,

1477:25, 1478:3,

1478:11, 1478:12,

1478:18, 1482:14,

1483:27, 1484:36,

1488:31, 1488:36,

1489:9, 1489:28,

1489:33, 1490:19,

1491:45, 1492:3,

1492:20, 1497:38,

1501:5, 1501:39,

1504:34, 1504:37,

1505:35, 1505:45,

1520:43, 1521:36,

1521:37, 1524:21,

1524:35, 1525:40,

1528:45, 1529:45,

1530:17, 1532:21,

1532:32, 1533:11,

1533:15

MANAGEMENT [1] -

1524:38

Management [13] -

1419:26, 1428:29,

1462:31, 1467:8,

1467:34, 1469:46,

1477:2, 1478:39,

1481:17, 1481:19,

1483:18, 1483:21,

1483:24

MANAGEMENT" [1] -

1478:42

management" [1] -

1462:21

manager [31] -

1404:19, 1409:12,

1415:12, 1416:14,

1416:22, 1416:26,

1419:19, 1428:37,

1430:33, 1448:38,

1486:12, 1486:18,

1490:28, 1490:31,

1490:33, 1490:35,

1490:41, 1503:26,

1509:31, 1511:42,

1511:43, 1512:47,

1516:27, 1521:34,

1526:20, 1526:23,

1529:29, 1530:39,

1532:8, 1534:47,

1535:15

manager's [1] -

1505:21

managers [19] -

1416:21, 1448:37,

1449:4, 1449:16,

1450:10, 1450:15,

1472:34, 1489:1,

1498:6, 1509:44,

1517:9, 1517:44,

1521:21, 1522:29,

1522:30, 1523:25,

1528:41, 1533:47,

1535:7

MANAGERS [1] -

1523:31

manages [1] - 1430:6

managing [3] -

1417:18, 1460:42,

1465:41

mandated [1] -

1424:22

mangers [1] - 1434:45

manner [5] - 1430:6,

1457:27, 1457:41,

1458:1, 1478:15

MAP [1] - 1412:11

MARCH [1] - 1538:14

March [9] - 1403:31,

1427:9, 1427:14,

1427:41, 1439:8,

1439:16, 1439:20,

1439:33, 1477:16

Mark [2] - 1523:45,

1528:7

MARK [1] - 1524:2

mark [1] - 1524:29

marked [5] - 1464:17,

1518:12, 1518:32,

1518:45, 1524:44

marking [1] - 1524:41

markings [1] -

1459:33

Martin [1] - 1522:27

material [1] - 1502:10

materials [2] -

1416:46, 1459:7

matter [30] - 1407:1,

1407:43, 1414:46,

1428:11, 1429:43,

1430:44, 1431:8,

1435:17, 1435:32,

1444:6, 1454:40,

1464:43, 1468:37,

1473:46, 1474:42,

1475:27, 1475:36,

1478:25, 1488:30,

1505:26, 1505:38,

1505:40, 1507:23,

1507:30, 1507:33,

1507:36, 1507:42,

1526:8, 1528:36,

1537:17

matters [32] - 1406:43,

1408:2, 1415:4,

1415:10, 1425:29,

1427:42, 1428:20,

1429:7, 1434:5,

1434:41, 1437:8,

1439:37, 1442:43,

1443:3, 1443:7,

1445:39, 1451:10,

1454:44, 1460:13,

1463:12, 1470:10,

1472:6, 1472:40,

1476:28, 1477:34,

1492:6, 1492:23,

1503:29, 1505:35,

1509:20, 1521:3,

1521:34

matured [1] - 1444:47

maturity [4] - 1430:30,

1430:39, 1444:34,

1509:35

MAY [4] - 1523:32,

1523:33, 1524:2,

1525:35

Mayor [22] - 1420:40,

1421:36, 1422:5,

1459:37, 1459:42,

1459:46, 1462:2,

1476:13, 1476:18,

1476:27, 1498:27,

1498:42, 1498:46,

1499:24, 1499:40,

1499:41, 1500:2,

1500:20, 1500:38,

1503:17, 1503:26

mayoral [1] - 1498:46

McKay [30] - 1432:27,

1435:45, 1441:34,

1443:15, 1445:20,

1460:44, 1461:43,

1467:13, 1469:9,

1469:45, 1470:6,

1470:12, 1470:20,

1471:4, 1471:24,

1471:38, 1472:12,

1474:9, 1476:9,

1476:19, 1476:22,

1489:20, 1490:26,

1490:38, 1491:9,

1496:19, 1496:37,

1501:11, 1502:47,

1503:10

McKay's [2] - 1471:40,

1502:41

mean [27] - 1411:28,

1416:9, 1419:10,

1421:33, 1432:8,

1434:43, 1435:5,

1436:32, 1457:46,

1458:19, 1464:45,

1465:43, 1470:14,

1474:5, 1477:43,

1478:25, 1483:3,

1488:25, 1488:26,

1490:4, 1495:42,

1497:32, 1504:45,

1508:2, 1508:25,

1526:39, 1527:31

meaning [1] - 1537:25

meaningful [1] -

1499:40

means [1] - 1419:11

meant [2] - 1506:20,

1522:41

mechanism [1] -

1537:25

media [1] - 1421:37

medical [1] - 1443:28

meet [2] - 1445:24,

1469:31

MEETING [2] -

1519:12, 1525:35

meeting [73] -

1421:36, 1442:15,

1442:16, 1442:17,

1442:18, 1442:25,

1442:46, 1443:41,

1445:44, 1445:46,

1446:35, 1446:42,

1446:43, 1447:21,

1447:29, 1447:30,

1447:37, 1448:17,

1449:20, 1449:26,

1449:29, 1449:31,

1449:32, 1450:46,

1451:14, 1451:15,

1451:17, 1451:18,

1451:20, 1451:26,

1453:14, 1453:29,

1459:5, 1459:10,

1459:22, 1459:38,

1459:41, 1462:1,

1470:15, 1470:16,

1474:27, 1487:21,

1488:42, 1494:9,

1494:16, 1494:21,

1494:46, 1494:47,

1495:1, 1496:6,

1496:10, 1497:2,

1498:32, 1498:45,

1498:47, 1499:32,

1499:36, 1499:41,

1500:1, 1500:6,

1500:20, 1500:28,

1500:32, 1500:38,

1503:26, 1505:18,

1514:13, 1516:40,

1519:8, 1525:31,

1525:46, 1531:33

meetings [10] -

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17

1421:31, 1437:20,

1445:18, 1446:15,

1446:20, 1446:24,

1475:40, 1498:46,

1499:24, 1503:38

member [14] - 1440:1,

1492:45, 1493:2,

1493:4, 1493:7,

1493:19, 1493:28,

1493:29, 1493:30,

1497:11, 1497:17,

1517:7, 1525:46

members [5] -

1497:29, 1503:28,

1525:43, 1529:16,

1529:21

members" [1] -

1464:31

memo [32] - 1409:41,

1410:2, 1410:15,

1410:17, 1412:4,

1415:47, 1427:8,

1432:36, 1446:12,

1447:31, 1448:34,

1448:35, 1448:37,

1448:43, 1450:20,

1450:32, 1451:29,

1453:4, 1454:34,

1469:9, 1469:45,

1470:3, 1474:8,

1485:36, 1486:1,

1487:17, 1498:5,

1500:9, 1500:15,

1528:33, 1535:15

MEMORANDUM [3] -

1520:35, 1523:30,

1536:6

memorandum [11] -

1415:44, 1427:10,

1470:6, 1520:20,

1520:30, 1521:20,

1522:28, 1522:31,

1522:44, 1523:24,

1536:2

memory [15] -

1408:42, 1413:24,

1418:41, 1418:42,

1422:40, 1444:39,

1451:4, 1452:27,

1471:24, 1486:6,

1490:3, 1502:46,

1510:23, 1510:26,

1530:34

mention [5] - 1404:13,

1414:46, 1462:2,

1496:43, 1533:46

mentioned [5] -

1437:14, 1465:30,

1473:17, 1513:10,

1537:23

mentioning [2] -

1417:24, 1512:10

merely [1] - 1521:23

message [10] -

1449:16, 1450:10,

1450:12, 1450:16,

1498:11, 1498:22,

1500:14, 1516:5,

1516:18, 1516:30

messages [1] -

1498:23

messaging [1] -

1465:22

met [10] - 1418:17,

1442:12, 1442:17,

1443:34, 1468:9,

1474:44, 1475:3,

1488:44, 1498:26,

1534:26

method [2] - 1470:7,

1492:31

MFI [5] - 1535:41,

1536:11, 1536:21,

1536:24, 1536:33

MFI-21 [2] - 1524:36,

1524:38

MFI-22 [2] - 1525:2,

1525:4

MFI-23 [2] - 1536:4,

1536:6

MFI-24 [2] - 1536:37,

1536:39

mid-2015 [1] - 1511:20

midway [1] - 1421:4

might [22] - 1413:39,

1416:5, 1451:40,

1455:8, 1466:17,

1476:18, 1480:28,

1481:27, 1484:2,

1484:32, 1485:36,

1486:42, 1489:11,

1493:3, 1499:37,

1507:1, 1508:38,

1511:17, 1515:6,

1521:36, 1525:25,

1537:28

million [4] - 1482:28,

1482:47, 1483:7,

1485:17

mind [12] - 1413:26,

1430:15, 1465:35,

1465:36, 1465:47,

1466:35, 1467:7,

1473:39, 1484:36,

1486:43, 1516:43,

1537:35

mine [4] - 1465:3,

1481:7, 1481:9,

1510:31

minimum [1] - 1530:1

minute [4] - 1473:25,

1481:8, 1482:6,

1495:2

minutes [20] - 1441:4,

1471:45, 1494:12,

1494:28, 1494:38,

1494:42, 1495:2,

1495:15, 1495:16,

1495:39, 1496:44,

1497:40, 1505:21,

1513:24, 1514:12,

1518:27, 1524:9,

1525:9, 1525:16,

1525:30

MINUTES [2] -

1519:12, 1525:34

Minutes [1] - 1519:8

misplaced [1] -

1514:13

missed [1] - 1416:25

missing [1] - 1482:30

mixed [1] - 1487:33

mixing [1] - 1487:32

mmm-hmm [30] -

1414:17, 1417:4,

1425:23, 1427:16,

1430:19, 1434:17,

1438:25, 1449:36,

1453:11, 1460:23,

1462:26, 1464:20,

1466:14, 1466:30,

1468:20, 1468:25,

1468:34, 1470:29,

1471:10, 1477:28,

1482:7, 1482:16,

1482:45, 1483:28,

1484:46, 1494:40,

1500:12, 1516:37,

1516:41, 1517:10

model [15] - 1408:20,

1408:36, 1409:17,

1409:19, 1409:29,

1415:18, 1432:3,

1432:8, 1435:24,

1491:43, 1508:33,

1508:35, 1508:37,

1508:38, 1514:21

Model [1] - 1431:42

modified [1] - 1419:42

moment [11] -

1413:43, 1421:6,

1439:8, 1450:46,

1455:13, 1458:47,

1462:1, 1463:30,

1463:31, 1516:9,

1530:19

MONDAY [1] -

1519:22

Monday [2] - 1450:24,

1519:17

money [10] - 1422:5,

1422:12, 1424:22,

1485:19, 1485:28,

1488:29, 1529:7,

1529:24, 1532:40,

1532:43

monitor [2] - 1406:31,

1519:37

monitored [1] -

1441:1

monitoring [2] -

1445:46, 1447:36

month [3] - 1498:46,

1498:47, 1499:3

months [8] - 1408:5,

1414:2, 1422:3,

1422:39, 1422:41,

1505:23, 1532:5,

1532:18

Moore [3] - 1523:19,

1523:27, 1537:5

MOORE [1] - 1523:33

Morgan [1] - 1514:32

morning [6] - 1421:36,

1442:42, 1498:40,

1498:42, 1499:44,

1536:46

mortem [1] - 1444:25

most [5] - 1444:1,

1509:25, 1510:9,

1510:46, 1515:10

Mount [2] - 1496:17,

1496:38

MOUNTAINS [1] -

1403:17

mountains [2] -

1514:2

Mountains [7] -

1403:26, 1404:39,

1419:25, 1483:8,

1508:34, 1508:35,

1515:42

move [6] - 1411:6,

1485:32, 1490:22,

1498:2, 1512:30,

1534:11

moving [6] - 1414:47,

1418:35, 1427:47,

1443:47, 1493:45,

1527:18

Mulligan [2] -

1489:24, 1508:42

multiple [1] - 1506:7

must [2] - 1419:11,

1526:40

N

name [10] - 1404:16,

1415:5, 1419:18,

1423:41, 1428:18,

1454:15, 1455:38,

1456:35, 1458:38,

1532:6

names [1] - 1464:30

nature [2] - 1530:20,

1537:39

Nearly [1] - 1479:23

necessarily [4] -

1411:47, 1444:41,

1449:13, 1456:28

necessary [3] -

1425:14, 1509:17,

1515:12

neck [1] - 1476:28

need [24] - 1411:5,

1417:7, 1430:23,

1438:23, 1451:3,

1453:10, 1455:14,

1455:17, 1460:17,

1463:31, 1469:6,

1471:31, 1472:26,

1480:2, 1485:19,

1486:42, 1489:11,

1503:45, 1505:36,

1506:18, 1524:10,

1532:15, 1533:31,

1533:42

needed [14] - 1421:46,

1424:13, 1436:24,

1436:38, 1452:30,

1463:42, 1463:44,

1471:26, 1493:37,

1505:26, 1505:27,

1528:1

needing [1] - 1465:10

needs [6] - 1421:37,

1465:21, 1489:5,

1491:40, 1507:36,

1535:31

negotiated [1] -

1475:12

never [3] - 1415:34,

1475:34

nevertheless [1] -

1507:4

new [19] - 1404:46,

1405:26, 1423:18,

1436:45, 1437:1,

1437:22, 1476:42,

1482:33, 1506:31,

1506:36, 1511:37,

1513:17, 1513:20,

1513:36, 1514:42,

1529:16, 1529:19,

1529:20, 1529:23

New [11] - 1408:20,

1419:24, 1419:26,

1423:16, 1431:43,

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1468:6, 1483:40,

1484:7, 1484:11,

1484:12, 1501:33

newly [4] - 1407:39,

1436:46, 1511:42,

1511:43

newsletter [1] -

1468:19

next [19] - 1434:45,

1436:38, 1437:3,

1459:43, 1462:3,

1464:34, 1466:23,

1469:44, 1477:30,

1481:47, 1494:9,

1499:32, 1511:34,

1516:30, 1516:43,

1522:12, 1522:18,

1522:25, 1536:45

Nicholls [2] - 1490:13,

1490:17

night [5] - 1438:31,

1438:33, 1467:15,

1500:2, 1502:17

night" [1] - 1501:12

nine [1] - 1500:19

No" [1] - 1528:32

no-one [2] - 1530:7,

1537:39

non [8] - 1438:19,

1455:9, 1456:43,

1491:10, 1494:44,

1521:7, 1530:15,

1535:39

non-compliance [2] -

1494:44, 1521:7

non-compliant [1] -

1491:10

non-conformance [3]

- 1438:19, 1530:15,

1535:39

non-publication [2] -

1455:9, 1456:43

none [1] - 1523:2

normal [5] - 1415:39,

1419:47, 1430:25,

1471:27, 1503:25

normally [10] - 1416:3,

1416:4, 1419:46,

1434:34, 1434:35,

1437:44, 1440:31,

1440:32, 1444:6,

1505:20

notated [1] - 1458:1

notations [1] -

1519:26

NOTATIONS [1] -

1519:30

note [7] - 1404:5,

1457:21, 1459:26,

1470:31, 1502:45,

1502:46, 1505:9

notes [14] - 1467:14,

1501:11, 1501:12,

1501:24, 1502:3,

1502:5, 1502:16,

1502:19, 1502:22,

1502:27, 1507:9,

1507:18, 1511:46,

1518:31

Notes [1] - 1519:2

NOTES [1] - 1519:4

Notes" [1] - 1512:4

notice [36] - 1409:7,

1432:9, 1432:14,

1432:20, 1440:22,

1441:35, 1442:32,

1443:36, 1443:40,

1445:47, 1460:13,

1462:42, 1462:43,

1462:45, 1469:14,

1469:19, 1488:39,

1488:43, 1494:11,

1496:10, 1497:3,

1497:5, 1497:26,

1497:35, 1497:41,

1501:15, 1501:35,

1503:1, 1504:36,

1504:42, 1505:38,

1507:27, 1507:42,

1507:43, 1521:8,

1525:42

notification [1] -

1497:26

notify [1] - 1497:10

notwithstanding [3] -

1486:45, 1513:23,

1525:47

November [12] -

1404:19, 1408:21,

1408:40, 1419:43,

1420:7, 1425:7,

1428:12, 1431:43,

1475:47, 1514:13,

1519:8, 1519:17

NOVEMBER [2] -

1519:12, 1519:23

nowhere [1] - 1437:33

Noxious [1] - 1484:11

NSW [1] - 1403:27

number [14] -

1405:20, 1422:16,

1424:31, 1438:15,

1438:36, 1456:7,

1461:17, 1464:18,

1481:21, 1486:1,

1504:9, 1513:25,

1514:41, 1522:29

numbered [1] -

1523:16

numbers [4] -

1404:29, 1448:8,

1448:9, 1484:30

O

o'clock [3] - 1421:36,

1498:39, 1498:42

object [10] - 1486:31,

1487:30, 1489:5,

1491:35, 1495:25,

1501:46, 1506:1,

1508:13, 1529:33

objecting [2] -

1529:36, 1529:39

objection [3] -

1486:33, 1492:10,

1530:30

objective [1] - 1481:3

objectives [1] -

1431:13

obligations [8] -

1420:36, 1425:34,

1426:8, 1426:36,

1431:5, 1431:33,

1463:7, 1487:4

observation [1] -

1461:45

observations [1] -

1531:8

Observations" [1] -

1442:6

Obviously [1] -

1537:37

obviously [32] -

1410:43, 1416:6,

1419:5, 1421:19,

1421:33, 1424:1,

1424:10, 1424:24,

1429:38, 1435:6,

1437:20, 1447:13,

1447:30, 1457:27,

1458:7, 1463:41,

1465:3, 1465:19,

1465:37, 1468:12,

1471:38, 1478:10,

1478:14, 1481:15,

1481:28, 1492:30,

1492:32, 1497:35,

1498:14, 1502:45,

1530:17, 1534:32

occasion [7] - 1462:4,

1507:16, 1507:19,

1523:2, 1529:3,

1529:13, 1529:14

occasionally [1] -

1440:35

occasions [2] -

1443:35, 1528:45

Occupational [2] -

1483:41, 1484:12

occupational [1] -

1404:45

occupied [1] -

1426:29

occur [1] - 1500:47

occurred [3] -

1426:43, 1458:8,

1510:33

occurring [1] -

1465:20

occurs [2] - 1455:3,

1458:1

October [12] -

1416:47, 1417:37,

1419:8, 1424:30,

1429:1, 1431:9,

1474:9, 1474:31,

1475:38, 1489:20,

1500:45, 1507:17

OF [9] - 1403:13,

1519:20, 1519:31,

1519:32, 1520:36,

1520:37, 1525:4,

1525:35, 1536:39

off-the-cuff [1] -

1446:37

offer [2] - 1456:39,

1527:30

offering [1] - 1447:36

office [2] - 1441:46,

1528:44

Office [2] - 1423:2,

1431:42

officers [1] - 1418:1

offline [1] - 1535:42

often [3] - 1415:37,

1435:15, 1513:10

old [1] - 1532:6

older [1] - 1484:23

ON [4] - 1519:12,

1519:22, 1523:33,

1524:2

once [8] - 1407:19,

1411:14, 1420:2,

1445:12, 1475:13,

1498:46, 1498:47,

1499:3

one [107] - 1406:22,

1409:20, 1409:36,

1410:11, 1411:24,

1411:29, 1411:30,

1411:47, 1413:20,

1413:21, 1413:23,

1413:31, 1413:32,

1413:44, 1417:19,

1421:15, 1421:20,

1422:16, 1427:12,

1429:11, 1429:46,

1431:12, 1431:26,

1432:29, 1432:31,

1434:20, 1436:42,

1441:32, 1450:17,

1450:39, 1451:36,

1453:32, 1454:6,

1458:45, 1460:18,

1460:20, 1465:3,

1466:39, 1466:40,

1467:21, 1467:28,

1469:29, 1471:25,

1471:43, 1471:44,

1473:32, 1474:31,

1475:19, 1475:39,

1478:28, 1483:9,

1483:37, 1484:23,

1485:5, 1491:13,

1491:22, 1493:20,

1493:24, 1498:18,

1499:12, 1499:32,

1503:45, 1506:21,

1509:37, 1509:42,

1510:9, 1511:6,

1511:25, 1511:34,

1512:3, 1512:6,

1515:15, 1515:38,

1515:43, 1517:26,

1518:10, 1521:37,

1522:2, 1522:3,

1522:6, 1522:10,

1522:13, 1522:18,

1522:21, 1522:25,

1522:37, 1523:38,

1523:42, 1525:44,

1525:45, 1528:26,

1529:3, 1530:7,

1530:45, 1532:40,

1533:47, 1537:1,

1537:7, 1537:39

one's [1] - 1511:14

one-off [1] - 1473:32

one-paged [1] -

1512:3

ones [5] - 1407:7,

1461:14, 1498:19,

1506:31, 1514:9

ongoing [2] - 1464:14,

1470:33

Ongoing [1] - 1477:2

onwards [4] - 1474:4,

1503:35, 1510:3,

1520:45

open [3] - 1454:2,

1467:21, 1504:24

opening [1] - 1455:22

operate [1] - 1506:20

operated [1] - 1533:4

operation [3] -

1534:19, 1534:36,

1534:40

operational [12] -

1436:23, 1437:32,

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1437:37, 1437:41,

1437:44, 1437:46,

1505:40, 1507:27,

1507:42, 1532:15,

1532:21, 1533:11

operations [7] -

1449:12, 1511:22,

1511:26, 1512:47,

1513:3, 1513:9,

1513:11

operative [1] -

1419:22

opinion [1] - 1533:47

opportunity [1] -

1532:16

orally [2] - 1457:5,

1457:15

order [16] - 1454:38,

1455:9, 1455:17,

1455:32, 1455:33,

1456:21, 1457:20,

1457:29, 1457:34,

1457:40, 1458:17,

1460:5, 1511:27,

1537:6, 1537:27,

1537:47

orders [1] - 1456:7

ordinary [1] - 1520:15

organisation [32] -

1411:22, 1411:25,

1432:44, 1433:35,

1433:42, 1444:34,

1444:37, 1446:3,

1446:30, 1446:39,

1452:28, 1463:45,

1465:25, 1466:39,

1478:25, 1486:12,

1486:18, 1486:24,

1486:47, 1487:25,

1490:8, 1490:13,

1492:32, 1509:36,

1510:26, 1515:8,

1521:8, 1526:2,

1526:19, 1531:31,

1531:38, 1532:45

organisation-wide [1]

- 1432:44

organisational [4] -

1477:33, 1478:2,

1478:9, 1511:20

organisations [1] -

1444:36

oriented [1] - 1532:35

original [3] - 1515:21,

1515:41, 1515:44

originally [2] -

1489:42, 1510:20

OTHERS [3] -

1519:22, 1523:31,

1523:33

otherwise [4] -

1420:18, 1492:37,

1531:10, 1531:12

outcome [1] - 1434:25

outcomes [6] -

1406:16, 1429:9,

1512:31, 1520:21,

1532:7, 1532:40

outside [2] - 1415:30,

1520:15

outstanding [1] -

1461:23

overall [2] - 1412:2,

1421:11

overarching [3] -

1412:19, 1429:37,

1430:36

overruled [1] -

1529:42

oversee [1] - 1437:5

overtalking [4] -

1413:6, 1436:1,

1494:18, 1528:22

overtalking) [7] -

1488:40, 1489:6,

1495:23, 1495:27,

1509:21, 1523:3,

1528:25

overview [10] -

1411:36, 1430:37,

1433:15, 1435:10,

1465:10, 1465:24,

1471:4, 1471:40,

1471:41, 1535:7

own [11] - 1422:13,

1434:2, 1451:33,

1459:46, 1472:36,

1473:10, 1477:42,

1478:8, 1486:29,

1510:7, 1526:37

ownership [3] -

1433:34, 1486:11,

1486:17

P

PA [2] - 1499:26,

1500:3

pace [2] - 1414:47,

1427:41

PAGE [1] - 1536:39

page [133] - 1404:28,

1404:29, 1404:30,

1404:38, 1404:39,

1405:18, 1405:39,

1407:10, 1408:19,

1408:31, 1409:41,

1410:21, 1412:4,

1412:10, 1413:13,

1415:5, 1415:41,

1415:45, 1416:31,

1416:37, 1416:41,

1417:12, 1418:45,

1419:42, 1423:3,

1423:14, 1425:18,

1425:20, 1427:8,

1427:18, 1428:6,

1428:8, 1428:28,

1429:17, 1431:40,

1431:41, 1432:33,

1432:34, 1433:26,

1434:8, 1434:19,

1434:21, 1434:24,

1435:21, 1436:11,

1436:40, 1438:6,

1438:7, 1439:7,

1439:33, 1440:5,

1441:4, 1441:31,

1441:33, 1442:2,

1442:4, 1446:11,

1449:34, 1453:5,

1453:33, 1455:43,

1459:8, 1459:11,

1459:13, 1460:21,

1462:12, 1462:29,

1466:9, 1467:7,

1467:12, 1467:18,

1467:21, 1467:40,

1467:44, 1468:1,

1468:17, 1469:8,

1469:44, 1471:8,

1471:44, 1474:8,

1474:30, 1477:3,

1477:9, 1480:47,

1481:21, 1481:26,

1481:27, 1481:29,

1481:36, 1482:3,

1482:5, 1483:12,

1484:31, 1484:32,

1484:34, 1484:40,

1485:2, 1486:1,

1486:7, 1486:9,

1494:38, 1495:5,

1495:12, 1495:14,

1495:16, 1495:39,

1496:12, 1498:4,

1500:43, 1501:4,

1501:10, 1501:19,

1502:13, 1504:9,

1504:31, 1515:16,

1515:24, 1515:31,

1515:40, 1516:14,

1516:23, 1516:30,

1517:1, 1517:21,

1517:22, 1523:7,

1523:10, 1525:16,

1536:36

paged [3] - 1512:3,

1536:10, 1536:36

PAGED [1] - 1536:39

pages [8] - 1479:23,

1479:26, 1483:30,

1514:20, 1523:16,

1524:32, 1524:44,

1537:38

paginated [1] - 1480:4

paid [1] - 1519:42

paper [3] - 1499:17,

1514:45, 1515:11

paragraph [18] -

1404:39, 1405:19,

1412:11, 1416:42,

1417:25, 1417:32,

1429:19, 1432:43,

1434:10, 1441:34,

1446:15, 1449:34,

1453:9, 1464:30,

1466:23, 1471:12,

1477:30, 1482:9

paragraphs [1] -

1482:1

pardon [3] - 1485:42,

1500:35, 1510:44

Park [1] - 1500:47

Parke [1] - 1403:27

PART [1] - 1524:39

part [44] - 1417:13,

1428:45, 1429:15,

1430:24, 1430:46,

1433:4, 1435:21,

1441:9, 1442:2,

1443:27, 1446:29,

1450:35, 1450:37,

1453:47, 1455:8,

1456:25, 1458:11,

1458:13, 1458:14,

1458:16, 1461:9,

1464:2, 1464:11,

1465:47, 1471:5,

1484:2, 1484:31,

1485:29, 1494:27,

1494:30, 1494:42,

1497:25, 1511:37,

1515:10, 1519:9,

1519:18, 1520:33,

1520:41, 1523:28,

1523:46, 1524:16,

1524:36, 1531:18,

1531:20

participant [1] -

1496:45

participate [5] -

1525:47, 1526:3,

1526:21, 1527:25,

1529:4

participating [2] -

1529:6, 1531:29

particular [27] -

1411:47, 1412:32,

1417:9, 1417:13,

1418:36, 1432:18,

1432:25, 1434:32,

1436:6, 1438:38,

1444:25, 1445:16,

1445:42, 1453:24,

1456:44, 1465:17,

1473:39, 1474:27,

1485:5, 1487:19,

1496:9, 1505:31,

1520:14, 1520:46,

1524:32, 1535:36,

1535:37

particularly [6] -

1406:41, 1411:25,

1431:16, 1509:20,

1525:15, 1532:39

partly [2] - 1503:28,

1505:34

parts [1] - 1437:9

partway [1] - 1483:39

party [2] - 1482:12,

1515:12

pass [1] - 1448:42

passage [1] - 1511:3

passages [1] -

1433:25

past [3] - 1456:7,

1482:38, 1507:11

pause [3] - 1426:6,

1454:2, 1495:35

PCT [1] - 1434:12

peak [5] - 1436:11,

1437:16, 1437:23,

1441:4, 1471:45

people [53] - 1409:12,

1415:37, 1421:32,

1421:34, 1421:35,

1428:36, 1431:18,

1431:21, 1434:1,

1435:38, 1435:42,

1443:13, 1443:14,

1444:35, 1446:31,

1448:9, 1448:11,

1448:24, 1448:42,

1448:46, 1451:38,

1451:39, 1456:39,

1457:21, 1458:22,

1458:34, 1463:42,

1463:44, 1463:45,

1464:1, 1464:5,

1464:8, 1465:1,

1466:38, 1476:2,

1489:21, 1489:26,

1490:23, 1490:25,

1490:44, 1493:18,

1496:8, 1498:31,

1500:10, 1500:11,

1509:17, 1517:8,

1519:36, 1519:40,

1525:44, 1535:4,

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1535:15

per [2] - 1484:30,

1485:14

perfect [1] - 1445:3

perform [1] - 1404:44

performed [1] -

1404:31

perhaps [7] - 1415:12,

1479:28, 1518:5,

1522:24, 1524:44,

1526:41, 1535:41

period [19] - 1412:46,

1420:29, 1421:26,

1422:40, 1423:37,

1424:18, 1426:34,

1441:20, 1443:20,

1443:37, 1472:7,

1475:46, 1478:4,

1478:30, 1485:18,

1491:8, 1513:23,

1513:47, 1514:43

permanent [1] -

1509:31

permission [2] -

1457:4, 1457:14

person [11] - 1421:30,

1449:17, 1455:16,

1456:19, 1456:29,

1456:44, 1457:3,

1457:13, 1495:1,

1506:8, 1535:38

personal [2] -

1520:46, 1536:15

personally [2] -

1464:38, 1464:43

perspective [7] -

1421:3, 1468:37,

1473:6, 1473:7,

1526:1, 1526:2,

1526:17

perspicacious [1] -

1521:39

Phillips [1] - 1449:5

philosophical [1] -

1508:18

photocopy [3] -

1536:14, 1536:16,

1536:17

photograph [1] -

1450:39

phrase [2] - 1492:14,

1505:2

physical [1] - 1473:20

pick [3] - 1436:30,

1441:6, 1467:20

picked [1] - 1491:31

picture [1] - 1508:24

piece [1] - 1515:11

place [7] - 1413:9,

1421:30, 1430:40,

1442:28, 1445:8,

1470:44, 1530:19

placed [1] - 1434:41

plainly [1] - 1488:34

plan [42] - 1407:11,

1407:39, 1412:19,

1412:32, 1412:36,

1414:40, 1414:44,

1414:46, 1416:40,

1416:44, 1417:6,

1418:15, 1419:25,

1421:43, 1421:45,

1424:21, 1425:7,

1427:22, 1427:36,

1442:39, 1470:45,

1470:46, 1471:28,

1472:13, 1474:13,

1478:11, 1478:12,

1482:24, 1482:27,

1483:27, 1484:37,

1489:22, 1489:34,

1490:20, 1491:45,

1497:38, 1501:39,

1504:37, 1505:45,

1513:29, 1513:31,

1517:34

Plan [1] - 1469:46

Plan" [2] - 1419:27,

1467:34

planning [3] -

1423:47, 1424:23,

1424:39

plans [9] - 1405:32,

1412:31, 1424:2,

1469:29, 1484:39,

1485:11, 1521:5,

1524:21, 1524:36

Plans [2] - 1483:19,

1483:24

PLANS [1] - 1524:38

Plans" [1] - 1483:21

pleased [3] - 1435:7,

1435:17, 1469:27

plus [1] - 1437:21

point [20] - 1429:6,

1436:41, 1437:3,

1441:8, 1442:8,

1445:1, 1447:40,

1456:24, 1464:14,

1468:1, 1468:17,

1468:18, 1468:27,

1471:37, 1484:24,

1501:24, 1504:41,

1507:41, 1523:1,

1537:28

points [9] - 1405:19,

1425:25, 1434:19,

1436:41, 1437:13,

1474:32, 1482:2,

1510:33, 1511:7

police [1] - 1536:17

policies [19] - 1408:7,

1408:9, 1419:44,

1429:3, 1430:24,

1432:9, 1432:44,

1433:14, 1433:35,

1433:44, 1436:47,

1437:1, 1437:36,

1437:43, 1445:8,

1470:43, 1486:23,

1486:24, 1521:5

Policy [3] - 1431:43,

1434:22, 1435:22

policy [67] - 1408:20,

1408:36, 1409:17,

1414:23, 1414:43,

1414:44, 1414:45,

1415:18, 1419:42,

1420:6, 1420:13,

1420:20, 1420:25,

1420:31, 1420:43,

1425:19, 1431:17,

1431:19, 1431:31,

1432:37, 1432:42,

1433:33, 1434:1,

1434:9, 1434:20,

1434:24, 1434:32,

1435:11, 1435:24,

1435:25, 1435:41,

1436:7, 1436:44,

1436:46, 1437:5,

1437:22, 1437:34,

1437:35, 1438:2,

1441:10, 1441:23,

1474:13, 1485:35,

1486:2, 1486:11,

1486:17, 1486:47,

1487:8, 1487:11,

1487:17, 1487:26,

1487:41, 1488:6,

1488:12, 1488:13,

1488:27, 1488:35,

1489:9, 1489:33,

1491:43, 1492:5,

1514:21, 1514:24,

1514:42, 1516:40,

1531:33

polite [1] - 1506:13

pool [1] - 1471:26

poor [2] - 1424:3,

1424:5

posed [1] - 1463:12

position [19] - 1408:6,

1412:41, 1424:3,

1424:12, 1428:21,

1435:11, 1435:26,

1441:23, 1443:22,

1444:24, 1444:39,

1444:46, 1446:33,

1459:47, 1471:27,

1471:40, 1518:25,

1530:44, 1533:25

positions [1] -

1448:46

positive [1] - 1448:13

possible [6] - 1411:7,

1421:44, 1444:2,

1446:8, 1460:7,

1508:10

possibly [1] - 1406:21

post [1] - 1444:25

post-mortem [1] -

1444:25

potential [1] - 1476:2

potentially [1] -

1537:30

PowerPoint [2] -

1502:22, 1502:27

practice [5] - 1406:43,

1412:20, 1419:47,

1437:13, 1437:17

practices [3] -

1404:46, 1510:3,

1533:42

pre [1] - 1426:25

pre-school [1] -

1426:25

precise [2] - 1455:43,

1534:17

precursor [1] -

1428:43

prefer [1] - 1520:2

Premier [1] - 1517:3

preparation [1] -

1458:28

prepare [2] - 1421:37,

1511:46

prepared [5] -

1425:19, 1519:26,

1520:20, 1526:10,

1532:42

PREPARED [1] -

1519:31

preparing [6] -

1510:21, 1514:42,

1521:4, 1521:5,

1531:31

presence [1] - 1476:2

present [6] - 1404:6,

1494:39, 1498:31,

1498:43, 1498:45,

1537:6

presentation [1] -

1502:27

presented [4] -

1414:24, 1420:14,

1451:15, 1451:17

presenter [1] -

1474:17

presenting [1] -

1474:21

preserve [1] - 1455:17

pressure [1] - 1526:20

pretty [6] - 1416:29,

1422:13, 1435:16,

1487:6, 1489:44,

1500:16

prevent [1] - 1449:21

prevented [1] -

1458:26

previous [5] -

1444:10, 1444:31,

1463:8, 1473:25,

1506:38

previously [2] -

1469:33, 1496:38

primarily [1] - 1472:47

print [5] - 1453:38,

1477:11, 1477:14,

1484:10, 1499:44

printed [4] - 1481:41,

1514:45, 1516:44,

1516:45

printout [2] - 1476:47,

1478:36

priorities [6] -

1411:29, 1411:30,

1425:13, 1425:41,

1465:2, 1485:12

prioritising [1] -

1434:47

priority [16] - 1421:12,

1424:11, 1424:12,

1424:35, 1434:13,

1434:24, 1434:29,

1434:32, 1434:35,

1443:17, 1443:23,

1445:21, 1445:36,

1446:7, 1463:41,

1520:46

private [2] - 1458:22,

1496:14

private/public [1] -

1458:21

problem [2] - 1488:35,

1520:12

problems [1] - 1404:9

procedure [2] -

1416:7, 1431:19

procedures [7] -

1411:21, 1411:25,

1411:35, 1431:17,

1441:15, 1442:28,

1444:33

proceed [5] - 1456:1,

1480:40, 1492:38,

1508:5, 1532:1

proceeded [1] -

1508:47

process [29] -

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1404:35, 1413:12,

1413:17, 1420:3,

1420:45, 1422:3,

1426:30, 1427:15,

1430:23, 1433:4,

1434:44, 1434:47,

1435:18, 1437:27,

1441:9, 1448:4,

1458:34, 1464:5,

1472:33, 1472:40,

1474:14, 1475:22,

1485:28, 1487:28,

1488:15, 1492:31,

1508:26, 1517:33

processes [8] -

1429:13, 1430:24,

1430:31, 1431:29,

1444:33, 1445:8,

1470:43, 1485:16

produced [2] -

1428:16, 1477:43

productive [1] -

1475:17

professional [4] -

1443:16, 1465:43,

1468:11, 1496:22

profile [1] - 1468:29

profiles [1] - 1472:43

program [18] -

1405:15, 1419:20,

1423:42, 1429:38,

1430:33, 1430:42,

1444:47, 1471:38,

1472:34, 1483:1,

1490:28, 1513:26,

1522:30, 1529:4,

1529:7, 1531:29,

1532:32, 1532:33

progress [18] -

1406:32, 1406:47,

1407:6, 1408:1,

1410:40, 1427:25,

1427:28, 1427:30,

1443:34, 1443:35,

1445:46, 1464:36,

1465:20, 1469:24,

1469:27, 1469:46,

1470:7

Progress [1] - 1427:18

progressed [3] -

1429:7, 1429:11,

1492:16

progressing [4] -

1427:42, 1435:6,

1460:43, 1468:14

Project [2] - 1467:8,

1472:3

project [44] - 1422:22,

1428:44, 1428:45,

1429:47, 1430:46,

1431:13, 1443:12,

1443:32, 1444:3,

1461:9, 1463:33,

1464:25, 1464:31,

1464:36, 1464:39,

1464:44, 1466:22,

1468:19, 1470:34,

1470:36, 1471:14,

1472:13, 1483:7,

1483:9, 1488:19,

1489:23, 1501:6,

1508:43, 1525:40,

1532:32, 1532:35,

1533:2, 1533:9,

1533:11, 1533:12,

1533:13, 1533:14,

1533:15, 1533:17,

1533:18, 1533:26,

1534:23, 1534:29

projection [1] - 1424:4

projects [7] - 1415:39,

1473:36, 1483:10,

1529:23, 1533:27,

1534:11

prominence [1] -

1418:34

promise [1] - 1516:19

promised [1] -

1514:14

prompt [1] - 1450:46

promptly [1] - 1446:4

promulgated [1] -

1513:36

proper [2] - 1443:28,

1444:33

properly [1] - 1442:38

property [4] - 1417:1,

1422:16, 1444:16,

1496:15

proposal [2] -

1534:20, 1537:22

propose [7] - 1504:35,

1509:11, 1511:5,

1518:7, 1524:8,

1525:11, 1537:26

proposition [5] -

1505:34, 1508:20,

1517:43, 1520:41,

1531:43

propositions [2] -

1506:27, 1508:27

prove [1] - 1521:40

proved [1] - 1537:29

provide [11] - 1446:41,

1462:3, 1479:16,

1487:6, 1503:27,

1510:38, 1520:25,

1522:25, 1522:35,

1524:8, 1535:21

provided [10] -

1407:28, 1443:24,

1449:26, 1479:10,

1502:5, 1502:9,

1502:28, 1524:5,

1527:14, 1531:9

provides [1] - 1472:12

providing [1] -

1529:24

provisions [1] -

1418:3

PSSG [4] - 1437:8,

1437:16, 1441:16,

1520:47

psychological [1] -

1422:4

Public [4] - 1419:24,

1419:26, 1419:29,

1419:35

public [12] - 1403:21,

1404:9, 1409:31,

1421:31, 1456:24,

1457:22, 1458:7,

1458:23, 1465:42,

1481:28, 1496:2

publication [3] -

1455:9, 1456:12,

1456:43

publish [2] - 1457:4,

1457:14

published [3] -

1456:25, 1481:29,

1481:43

publishing [1] -

1458:26

pull [1] - 1420:41

pulled [1] - 1443:12

pulling [1] - 1419:22

purely [1] - 1532:15

purpose [7] - 1416:1,

1417:13, 1446:27,

1447:27, 1462:25,

1462:32, 1493:13

purposes [5] -

1439:43, 1466:19,

1510:21, 1519:26,

1523:6

PURPOSES [1] -

1519:31

put [21] - 1415:4,

1421:14, 1421:30,

1443:13, 1445:22,

1460:18, 1460:19,

1469:6, 1472:43,

1486:7, 1506:27,

1507:5, 1508:20,

1508:21, 1517:43,

1520:40, 1526:20,

1528:30, 1530:21,

1533:26, 1535:14

puts [4] - 1416:18,

1499:27, 1499:33,

1499:34

putting [3] - 1430:40,

1506:27, 1534:26

Q

qualification [1] -

1453:32

quality [1] - 1517:34

quarter [1] - 1423:28

quarters [2] - 1515:23,

1515:40

question's [1] -

1491:37

questioned [1] -

1496:14

questioning [2] -

1488:1, 1491:40

questions [23] -

1447:17, 1447:19,

1459:17, 1463:11,

1463:18, 1479:1,

1486:20, 1487:25,

1488:5, 1491:42,

1491:46, 1492:2,

1492:8, 1506:15,

1506:41, 1509:12,

1509:20, 1514:41,

1517:26, 1521:21,

1524:20, 1529:40,

1530:18

quick [4] - 1421:44,

1422:7, 1481:2,

1535:17

quickly [4] - 1411:6,

1446:7, 1458:38,

1508:27

quite [10] - 1415:36,

1446:31, 1472:34,

1480:34, 1489:2,

1508:2, 1509:11,

1510:46, 1513:32,

1525:25

R

Rafter [2] - 1452:28,

1527:45

raise [13] - 1415:26,

1418:9, 1418:41,

1418:43, 1440:2,

1440:35, 1447:8,

1468:29, 1475:7,

1488:30, 1497:7,

1509:37, 1537:16

raised [36] - 1411:13,

1436:27, 1436:30,

1439:4, 1440:12,

1445:35, 1446:4,

1446:45, 1446:46,

1447:13, 1447:14,

1447:15, 1447:16,

1447:36, 1448:17,

1451:10, 1451:40,

1452:4, 1452:12,

1452:19, 1452:42,

1452:43, 1452:47,

1469:1, 1475:9,

1476:18, 1485:28,

1494:10, 1494:11,

1496:39, 1497:1,

1497:17, 1513:28,

1517:25, 1526:7,

1537:21

raises [3] - 1438:36,

1439:37, 1440:10

raising [6] - 1447:14,

1452:20, 1452:29,

1452:38, 1465:35,

1506:12

ran [1] - 1534:32

rare [1] - 1463:27

rate [7] - 1483:33,

1484:37, 1485:22,

1485:25, 1529:24,

1532:39, 1532:41

rates [2] - 1483:36,

1532:42

rather [18] - 1411:34,

1420:3, 1429:24,

1429:30, 1430:35,

1434:1, 1449:8,

1464:14, 1469:30,

1475:19, 1482:35,

1517:13, 1518:46,

1520:3, 1532:37,

1533:6, 1535:44,

1537:21

Rating [1] - 1434:23

rating [2] - 1485:1,

1485:5

ratings [1] - 1481:5

re [3] - 1422:8,

1515:26, 1533:2

Re [2] - 1519:17,

1520:31

RE [2] - 1519:22,

1520:36

re-builds [1] - 1422:8

re-engineer [1] -

1533:2

reaction [1] - 1427:43

reactive [5] - 1430:6,

1430:17, 1430:23,

1430:28, 1430:45

read [24] - 1410:15,

1410:17, 1415:47,

1416:28, 1417:19,

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1417:20, 1425:25,

1425:27, 1429:18,

1438:23, 1439:10,

1449:13, 1451:5,

1453:9, 1454:22,

1458:34, 1466:17,

1471:23, 1482:6,

1505:2, 1510:34,

1516:7, 1517:26,

1525:15

reading [1] - 1502:14

ready [3] - 1420:13,

1439:30, 1467:2

really [30] - 1408:29,

1411:32, 1430:30,

1435:16, 1444:12,

1444:32, 1447:11,

1451:30, 1451:32,

1451:36, 1464:8,

1465:2, 1465:6,

1475:13, 1478:26,

1499:39, 1505:4,

1506:19, 1506:35,

1506:36, 1507:42,

1508:15, 1526:40,

1529:4, 1530:30,

1533:5, 1535:24,

1535:26

rear [1] - 1520:32

REAR [1] - 1520:37

reason [9] - 1449:7,

1449:11, 1465:17,

1526:13, 1526:18,

1527:14, 1528:46,

1531:18, 1531:20

reasonable [2] -

1481:40, 1482:18

reasons [2] - 1429:46,

1468:40

reassurances [1] -

1446:33

Rebecca [4] -

1419:18, 1419:20,

1452:28, 1527:45

rebuilding [1] -

1465:30

recall" [1] - 1502:35

recalled [3] - 1413:17,

1487:19, 1508:10

receipt [1] - 1461:7

receive [2] - 1406:36,

1433:20

received [14] -

1406:25, 1406:38,

1406:42, 1409:7,

1432:19, 1432:25,

1433:19, 1441:44,

1441:45, 1454:34,

1462:41, 1494:10,

1537:40

receiving [3] -

1450:43, 1451:7,

1470:6

recent [1] - 1421:21

recently [5] - 1447:1,

1451:4, 1464:17,

1477:23, 1513:32

recipients [1] -

1498:11

recognise [3] -

1534:4, 1535:18,

1536:14

recollect [1] - 1496:6

recollection [27] -

1406:10, 1406:12,

1406:26, 1406:27,

1408:46, 1413:33,

1413:38, 1414:29,

1417:10, 1417:46,

1435:28, 1442:25,

1453:46, 1454:26,

1459:9, 1459:22,

1459:40, 1462:16,

1462:47, 1463:2,

1463:19, 1467:37,

1468:24, 1471:31,

1471:36, 1472:29,

1513:16

recommendation [5] -

1405:46, 1406:4,

1406:9, 1407:17,

1414:10

recommendations [1]

- 1405:45

recommended [2] -

1407:1, 1414:4

recommending [1] -

1436:47

record [9] - 1404:44,

1420:10, 1478:26,

1494:43, 1497:41,

1502:10, 1505:16,

1524:16, 1535:14

recorded [4] -

1461:18, 1466:27,

1486:27, 1496:36

recording [2] -

1494:43, 1496:44

records [10] -

1420:10, 1478:22,

1483:2, 1483:5,

1490:2, 1490:4,

1490:5, 1494:25,

1505:4

recovery [10] -

1419:33, 1420:41,

1421:12, 1421:22,

1421:26, 1421:43,

1421:45, 1422:2,

1533:5

recycling [3] -

1534:22, 1534:30,

1534:36

Red [2] - 1421:33,

1422:13

red [1] - 1416:41

redacted [9] -

1454:21, 1456:19,

1456:35, 1456:44,

1457:5, 1457:16,

1458:11, 1458:14,

1458:19

redacted]'s [1] -

1530:2

redaction [2] -

1458:27, 1458:30

redesign [2] - 1533:2,

1533:9

redo [2] - 1424:39,

1513:28

reduce [1] - 1511:26

refer [4] - 1406:19,

1446:15, 1466:22,

1483:42

reference [23] -

1432:43, 1441:14,

1455:37, 1464:24,

1468:18, 1479:28,

1482:19, 1484:16,

1492:19, 1492:28,

1492:41, 1493:9,

1495:7, 1495:9,

1500:27, 1500:29,

1500:34, 1501:13,

1501:14, 1514:26,

1520:12, 1523:6,

1530:6

references [1] -

1455:43

referred [8] - 1411:38,

1428:13, 1433:5,

1437:35, 1446:20,

1450:46, 1508:32,

1518:37

referring [7] -

1409:22, 1409:25,

1409:26, 1473:41,

1473:42, 1484:16,

1496:37

refers [13] - 1405:44,

1427:14, 1428:14,

1432:41, 1434:10,

1436:42, 1441:35,

1456:29, 1456:37,

1458:13, 1470:10,

1482:10, 1485:15

reflect [1] - 1486:35

reflected [3] -

1444:45, 1445:5,

1454:41

reform [1] - 1421:13

reformed [1] - 1429:43

refresh [2] - 1408:42,

1451:4

refreshes [1] -

1502:46

refused [2] - 1527:10,

1527:14

refusing [1] - 1531:30

regard [4] - 1429:40,

1443:35, 1475:26,

1491:10

Regarding [1] -

1535:16

regarding [5] -

1436:45, 1440:11,

1500:47, 1501:38,

1502:3

Register [1] - 1519:17

register [17] -

1407:29, 1415:18,

1434:46, 1442:38,

1444:14, 1444:15,

1444:17, 1468:23,

1472:36, 1489:34,

1492:1, 1505:46,

1515:21, 1515:44,

1516:34, 1535:8

REGISTER [1] -

1519:22

registers [2] - 1450:4,

1521:4

regular [7] - 1406:36,

1411:17, 1432:26,

1437:20, 1445:17,

1447:31

regularly [3] - 1468:9,

1470:15, 1472:6

regulatory [1] -

1418:14

reined [1] - 1509:16

reiterates [1] -

1517:26

relate [1] - 1405:21

related [6] - 1419:36,

1426:10, 1464:8,

1473:33, 1532:39,

1534:21

relates [2] - 1505:23,

1525:19

relating [2] - 1431:22,

1480:3

relation [38] - 1405:27,

1405:31, 1410:44,

1411:22, 1411:26,

1412:41, 1414:36,

1419:29, 1420:37,

1421:46, 1423:39,

1425:15, 1426:9,

1438:38, 1441:23,

1442:29, 1445:29,

1448:9, 1452:46,

1453:25, 1454:36,

1459:47, 1469:2,

1469:13, 1472:30,

1473:20, 1476:23,

1477:24, 1477:33,

1478:3, 1492:3,

1492:30, 1504:35,

1530:44, 1531:33,

1534:1, 1534:4,

1534:6

relationship [7] -

1468:4, 1468:11,

1468:14, 1475:32,

1475:35, 1475:36,

1531:10

relationships [1] -

1475:40

release [1] - 1412:11

released [1] - 1408:25

relevance [2] -

1529:33, 1529:44

relevant [12] -

1417:34, 1420:19,

1420:37, 1425:21,

1426:20, 1443:12,

1457:21, 1472:41,

1484:17, 1492:33,

1530:27, 1534:47

reliant [2] - 1420:18,

1509:42

relied [3] - 1411:19,

1411:33, 1470:12

relief [1] - 1422:5

rely [2] - 1411:34,

1414:37

relying [1] - 1410:42

remediated [2] -

1426:30, 1426:46

remember [24] -

1417:8, 1417:39,

1417:43, 1418:7,

1418:22, 1428:17,

1433:20, 1441:17,

1448:26, 1461:8,

1462:4, 1462:9,

1473:31, 1474:5,

1474:36, 1478:20,

1478:22, 1483:3,

1494:24, 1499:37,

1506:43, 1507:2

remembered [1] -

1445:26

remembering [1] -

1471:37

remind [1] - 1521:24

removal [4] - 1419:14,

1473:13, 1473:27,

1496:21

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remove [2] - 1476:39,

1504:18

removed [2] -

1476:10, 1496:22

repeated [1] - 1481:21

rephrase [3] - 1426:3,

1426:6, 1486:42

replace [1] - 1532:7

replies [1] - 1517:30

Report [1] - 1469:47

report [50] - 1406:5,

1406:6, 1406:25,

1406:42, 1413:40,

1414:3, 1423:17,

1423:19, 1427:35,

1428:6, 1428:11,

1428:29, 1428:43,

1429:28, 1430:3,

1430:38, 1433:18,

1435:3, 1435:22,

1435:29, 1435:40,

1436:36, 1438:19,

1439:7, 1439:33,

1441:44, 1441:45,

1442:3, 1443:32,

1454:44, 1454:45,

1460:22, 1460:33,

1461:7, 1470:11,

1472:22, 1489:19,

1489:43, 1491:9,

1491:12, 1491:17,

1491:18, 1491:20,

1491:22, 1491:24,

1493:46, 1513:19,

1516:7

report's [1] - 1423:37

reported [15] -

1415:15, 1415:21,

1424:9, 1428:20,

1444:4, 1461:17,

1461:26, 1464:37,

1465:13, 1472:6,

1491:30, 1494:7,

1494:8, 1505:28,

1509:44

reporting [5] -

1406:33, 1430:38,

1431:20, 1444:42,

1478:29

reportings [1] -

1437:21

reports [10] - 1421:45,

1421:46, 1426:34,

1427:18, 1427:31,

1428:16, 1430:26,

1448:3, 1530:16,

1535:39

representative [1] -

1451:24

representatives [1] -

1437:22

represented [1] -

1475:31

representing [2] -

1475:40, 1479:8

reputation [7] -

1464:47, 1465:5,

1465:7, 1465:31,

1465:44, 1468:40,

1503:40

requested [1] -

1448:22

requests [2] -

1487:27, 1488:15

require [2] - 1423:36,

1521:35

required [14] -

1414:35, 1414:39,

1415:30, 1426:14,

1434:45, 1435:42,

1447:33, 1453:42,

1454:28, 1471:36,

1486:28, 1487:27,

1491:45, 1513:44

requirement [2] -

1407:13, 1407:39

requirements [6] -

1405:8, 1405:27,

1405:31, 1424:16,

1425:15, 1472:26

Requirements [1] -

1425:21

requiring [1] -

1473:40

resistance [1] -

1534:27

resolved [2] -

1419:36, 1446:7

resource [2] -

1419:19, 1533:5

resources [3] -

1421:46, 1488:19,

1513:44

resourcing [5] -

1419:34, 1421:29,

1421:38, 1465:22,

1472:29

respect [5] - 1436:32,

1442:36, 1456:21,

1521:39, 1532:11

respond [6] - 1445:13,

1445:34, 1446:3,

1475:12, 1475:18,

1514:3

responding [5] -

1474:39, 1475:16,

1475:20, 1475:26,

1525:41

responds [1] -

1507:26

response [9] - 1417:6,

1417:14, 1418:35,

1419:32, 1423:17,

1423:36, 1498:19,

1507:26, 1510:22

response" [1] -

1517:14

responses [1] -

1521:43

responsibilities [4] -

1431:18, 1431:21,

1435:33, 1487:5

responsibility [16] -

1406:11, 1406:24,

1406:30, 1415:3,

1419:43, 1430:37,

1465:25, 1473:9,

1487:40, 1488:6,

1488:7, 1488:26,

1489:19, 1489:39,

1490:19, 1514:42

responsible [5] -

1418:22, 1470:45,

1489:13, 1489:33,

1489:35

responsive [1] -

1531:42

rest [5] - 1421:20,

1458:31, 1471:23,

1510:31, 1512:9

restoring [2] -

1465:47, 1468:40

restructure [4] -

1511:21, 1511:26,

1511:37, 1534:10

rests [3] - 1433:34,

1486:11, 1486:17

result [6] - 1418:38,

1447:21, 1457:20,

1462:44, 1473:43,

1534:22

results [1] - 1432:38

resume [4] - 1439:26,

1439:30, 1466:45,

1467:2

retain [1] - 1471:2

retained [1] - 1525:23

retired [1] - 1475:47

retirement [1] -

1474:43

retrieve [1] - 1522:25

return [4] - 1421:2,

1429:1, 1499:41,

1508:43

revamped [1] -

1513:32

reveal [2] - 1456:30,

1456:31

review [7] - 1412:12,

1419:43, 1441:8,

1441:10, 1534:17,

1534:18

Review [1] - 1428:30

Revision [1] - 1419:17

RG [1] - 1496:25

Rhett [3] - 1472:17,

1522:30, 1523:26

RHETT [1] - 1523:32

Richard [1] - 1403:39

rings [2] - 1413:28

risk [56] - 1405:21,

1409:42, 1410:3,

1410:10, 1411:22,

1411:26, 1412:17,

1412:47, 1421:7,

1430:33, 1430:34,

1432:37, 1432:45,

1434:25, 1434:46,

1435:14, 1435:39,

1436:21, 1444:46,

1472:36, 1472:39,

1472:43, 1485:1,

1485:5, 1486:7,

1490:41, 1492:46,

1493:3, 1493:5,

1493:10, 1493:14,

1493:15, 1493:16,

1493:17, 1493:19,

1493:21, 1493:29,

1494:1, 1494:22,

1494:23, 1494:28,

1494:38, 1497:2,

1497:10, 1509:39,

1510:19, 1519:28,

1534:28, 1534:29,

1535:3, 1535:5,

1535:8

RISK [1] - 1519:32

Risk [1] - 1434:23

risks [7] - 1405:20,

1472:37, 1472:38,

1484:39, 1485:11,

1489:21, 1534:32

RKG [1] - 1536:37

RKG" [1] - 1536:40

ROBERT [3] - 1404:3,

1520:36, 1524:2

Robert [3] - 1404:17,

1520:30, 1523:45

role [4] - 1404:23,

1415:9, 1421:25,

1530:17

roles [2] - 1411:24,

1471:35

room [9] - 1404:7,

1455:16, 1455:39,

1456:20, 1456:33,

1456:45, 1457:4,

1457:14, 1530:7

Room [2] - 1519:9,

1525:32

ROOM [2] - 1519:13,

1525:36

Rosemary [2] -

1423:46, 1535:6

rotates [1] - 1499:33

roughly [1] - 1483:40

round [1] - 1414:16

rounds [2] - 1414:15,

1454:25

row [1] - 1407:11

Royal [3] - 1455:20,

1457:3, 1457:13

rule [1] - 1506:39

run [3] - 1452:28,

1482:38, 1507:11

runners [1] - 1419:34

running [4] - 1515:7,

1517:1, 1517:23,

1534:11

RYAN [87] - 1457:18,

1457:26, 1457:31,

1457:36, 1457:40,

1457:46, 1458:7,

1458:13, 1458:33,

1458:41, 1479:3,

1479:5, 1479:7,

1479:16, 1479:20,

1479:26, 1479:32,

1479:40, 1479:44,

1480:12, 1480:16,

1480:28, 1480:43,

1481:15, 1481:24,

1481:38, 1483:21,

1483:26, 1484:5,

1484:10, 1484:21,

1484:28, 1485:10,

1485:42, 1486:1,

1486:45, 1487:16,

1488:10, 1488:34,

1488:42, 1489:8,

1489:16, 1489:32,

1490:38, 1491:8,

1492:14, 1492:25,

1492:30, 1492:43,

1493:41, 1494:21,

1494:33, 1494:37,

1497:5, 1499:9,

1499:21, 1501:21,

1502:2, 1502:21,

1502:26, 1502:35,

1502:39, 1503:4,

1503:16, 1503:33,

1504:9, 1504:30,

1505:7, 1505:43,

1506:3, 1506:29,

1506:33, 1506:38,

1506:46, 1507:4,

1507:16, 1507:25,

1507:39, 1507:46,

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1508:7, 1508:32,

1509:7, 1524:26,

1524:32, 1529:33,

1529:39, 1529:44

Ryan [8] - 1458:25,

1478:47, 1481:13,

1495:29, 1504:23,

1508:25, 1509:9,

1524:20

Ryan's [1] - 1494:30

S

s.12B(1 [2] - 1457:2,

1457:12

sacked [1] - 1452:39

safe [4] - 1443:25,

1444:27, 1448:25,

1487:7

safety [76] - 1404:30,

1404:45, 1404:46,

1405:15, 1405:26,

1407:40, 1411:23,

1411:27, 1411:29,

1411:39, 1411:46,

1412:1, 1412:2,

1414:32, 1420:37,

1426:9, 1428:44,

1429:31, 1429:39,

1429:46, 1430:6,

1430:25, 1430:41,

1430:46, 1431:3,

1431:13, 1431:14,

1431:22, 1431:25,

1431:28, 1431:29,

1435:39, 1435:40,

1436:12, 1436:20,

1436:32, 1437:16,

1437:23, 1437:26,

1437:30, 1437:42,

1441:5, 1441:10,

1444:47, 1452:38,

1452:46, 1465:1,

1465:4, 1465:8,

1465:38, 1471:39,

1471:46, 1475:41,

1482:1, 1482:14,

1482:33, 1486:29,

1486:40, 1487:2,

1489:22, 1492:20,

1492:34, 1497:31,

1497:36, 1497:46,

1498:8, 1503:40,

1507:35, 1508:43,

1509:39, 1510:19,

1516:8, 1519:27,

1520:45

SAFETY [1] - 1519:32

Safety [7] - 1428:29,

1483:41, 1484:12,

1487:5, 1491:10,

1491:46, 1507:29

SafeWork [33] -

1409:7, 1412:39,

1432:9, 1432:14,

1440:17, 1440:19,

1441:20, 1441:33,

1445:12, 1445:13,

1445:15, 1445:17,

1445:25, 1445:35,

1446:4, 1459:42,

1460:12, 1462:42,

1468:7, 1469:14,

1469:18, 1469:41,

1475:39, 1488:37,

1488:39, 1488:43,

1497:3, 1497:5,

1497:26, 1497:41,

1501:15, 1504:42,

1505:38

SafeWork's [5] -

1441:27, 1441:37,

1442:20, 1443:40,

1445:9

sake [2] - 1508:9,

1535:14

salary [1] - 1481:27

Sam [1] - 1419:18

Sarah [1] - 1522:27

Sarah-Jane [1] -

1522:27

satisfied [1] - 1475:11

save [1] - 1511:17

saw [5] - 1420:8,

1427:43, 1465:8,

1526:6

SC [1] - 1403:39

scan [8] - 1407:13,

1408:40, 1410:15,

1438:23, 1440:6,

1451:3, 1467:40,

1470:3

scheduled [1] -

1496:21

scheme [1] - 1424:23

school [1] - 1426:25

Schreiber [14] -

1494:47, 1495:7,

1495:8, 1495:9,

1495:18, 1495:36,

1496:5, 1496:7,

1496:8, 1496:36,

1496:39, 1496:45,

1497:11, 1497:16

scope [3] - 1428:12,

1506:14, 1506:17

sec [2] - 1487:35,

1506:5

SECOND [1] - 1536:39

second [27] - 1405:18,

1405:44, 1414:16,

1417:24, 1432:43,

1434:10, 1452:12,

1453:38, 1454:31,

1455:19, 1456:47,

1472:15, 1482:10,

1484:40, 1484:41,

1484:42, 1495:5,

1495:35, 1508:47,

1509:3, 1509:4,

1515:43, 1525:16,

1531:18, 1531:20,

1536:23, 1536:36

secondhand [1] -

1452:44

secondly [1] - 1521:2

secretary [1] -

1440:10

section [3] - 1455:9,

1468:19, 1481:47

SECTION [1] -

1403:13

secure [1] - 1418:3

secured [1] - 1447:6

securing [1] - 1418:15

see [98] - 1404:28,

1404:32, 1405:1,

1405:18, 1405:22,

1405:39, 1405:41,

1406:1, 1407:1,

1407:3, 1407:10,

1407:17, 1407:31,

1410:46, 1413:12,

1413:13, 1414:15,

1414:25, 1415:5,

1416:40, 1416:41,

1419:42, 1420:8,

1425:21, 1427:14,

1427:30, 1427:37,

1428:8, 1429:24,

1429:43, 1430:8,

1432:41, 1432:45,

1434:8, 1434:25,

1436:40, 1438:30,

1438:36, 1440:37,

1441:14, 1441:34,

1442:3, 1451:35,

1453:6, 1457:46,

1459:25, 1459:32,

1460:9, 1460:22,

1462:20, 1462:25,

1462:38, 1464:18,

1464:25, 1466:29,

1467:15, 1467:22,

1468:33, 1469:47,

1470:23, 1472:3,

1472:10, 1474:17,

1474:18, 1477:3,

1477:8, 1477:11,

1477:27, 1477:36,

1478:20, 1481:8,

1482:9, 1483:31,

1483:38, 1483:39,

1484:38, 1485:2,

1487:45, 1492:38,

1494:45, 1498:7,

1501:14, 1510:11,

1511:10, 1513:7,

1513:13, 1515:15,

1515:20, 1515:23,

1515:45, 1516:14,

1517:2, 1517:6,

1517:12, 1519:35,

1520:41, 1525:19,

1527:37

seeing [6] - 1420:6,

1422:10, 1429:7,

1439:16, 1439:20,

1512:26

seek [3] - 1406:43,

1444:9, 1447:26

seeking [2] - 1411:17,

1446:3

seeks [1] - 1516:7

seem [2] - 1501:46,

1514:13

sees [2] - 1518:3,

1535:30

select [1] - 1464:5

selected [3] - 1413:16,

1414:2, 1525:26

selecting [1] - 1464:1

send [9] - 1440:25,

1443:11, 1448:22,

1480:9, 1480:26,

1514:46, 1521:22,

1521:36, 1521:43

sending [1] - 1517:3

sends [1] - 1516:31

senior [3] - 1442:12,

1488:31, 1489:1

sense [4] - 1447:21,

1488:30, 1491:38,

1491:41

sent [13] - 1438:41,

1440:27, 1440:31,

1463:36, 1471:8,

1475:13, 1475:20,

1480:22, 1519:17,

1521:20, 1523:27,

1523:45, 1525:42

SENT [3] - 1519:22,

1523:33, 1524:2

sentence [10] -

1429:23, 1433:27,

1449:38, 1453:38,

1453:47, 1454:25,

1454:32, 1464:34,

1486:8

separate [7] -

1434:43, 1487:37,

1487:47, 1488:4,

1518:6, 1518:45,

1521:36

separately [3] -

1464:17, 1518:12,

1518:32

September [10] -

1414:24, 1414:45,

1423:18, 1423:37,

1459:6, 1459:9,

1462:29, 1471:46,

1472:46, 1473:24

sequence [1] - 1441:7

series [1] - 1515:10

serious [9] - 1446:35,

1462:43, 1464:45,

1464:46, 1465:7,

1465:24, 1503:39,

1508:2

seriously [1] -

1465:44

seriousness [2] -

1507:30, 1507:34

served [2] - 1501:33,

1521:7

SERVICE [1] -

1523:31

service [8] - 1404:40,

1448:37, 1449:4,

1450:15, 1498:5,

1523:25, 1534:34,

1534:36

Service [10] - 1512:33,

1512:35, 1522:28,

1528:14, 1530:38,

1530:41, 1531:4,

1532:6, 1532:25,

1532:30

Services [16] -

1427:21, 1473:3,

1473:17, 1473:19,

1511:21, 1512:31,

1512:35, 1513:5,

1514:20, 1532:29,

1533:18, 1533:29,

1533:42, 1534:31,

1534:41, 1535:17

services [3] - 1427:36,

1528:9, 1532:46

session [8] - 1454:2,

1459:44, 1462:13,

1462:17, 1467:23,

1467:27, 1469:3,

1504:28

sessions [1] - 1463:26

set [15] - 1413:12,

1415:17, 1424:9,

1429:9, 1465:13,

1493:8, 1493:9,

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1493:18, 1493:20,

1493:27, 1510:2,

1511:46, 1515:23,

1525:40

sets [2] - 1484:29,

1492:28

setting [3] - 1444:3,

1516:6, 1522:43

seven [2] - 1413:12,

1427:15

seven-step [2] -

1413:12, 1427:15

several [3] - 1419:5,

1483:9, 1511:38

shall [1] - 1416:45

sheet [2] - 1499:17,

1536:17

sheets [1] - 1514:45

Shellshear [1] -

1489:23

shocked [2] -

1435:13, 1435:16

SHORT [1] - 1439:28

short [5] - 1412:20,

1421:42, 1446:20,

1522:27, 1525:23

shortened [1] -

1484:28

shorthand [1] -

1496:4

shortly [9] - 1405:25,

1406:24, 1406:42,

1408:6, 1420:29,

1420:34, 1442:18,

1443:40, 1451:14

show [20] - 1433:25,

1450:20, 1462:11,

1464:16, 1479:24,

1490:4, 1508:39,

1510:6, 1510:8,

1512:3, 1514:12,

1514:44, 1516:45,

1520:19, 1522:3,

1522:5, 1522:23,

1524:10, 1535:13,

1536:10

showed [5] - 1412:13,

1427:10, 1427:13,

1445:29, 1508:37

shown [4] - 1417:20,

1479:11, 1522:37,

1523:38

shows [2] - 1418:21,

1522:27

shy [2] - 1414:2,

1530:13

side [2] - 1460:18,

1460:20

sided [1] - 1515:12

sight [1] - 1435:16

signage [9] - 1475:46,

1476:1, 1476:6,

1476:9, 1476:14,

1476:23, 1476:24,

1476:35, 1476:39

signatories [1] -

1416:1

signature [1] -

1535:37

signed [3] - 1415:46,

1535:25, 1535:38

significance [5] -

1406:44, 1407:2,

1419:18, 1464:43,

1520:14

significant [10] -

1407:3, 1424:31,

1447:40, 1477:24,

1478:33, 1514:5,

1520:22, 1533:12,

1537:30

signing [2] - 1416:13,

1416:15

similar [8] - 1427:10,

1435:1, 1479:20,

1497:33, 1506:22,

1506:31, 1518:25

simplification [1] -

1520:42

simply [3] - 1456:29,

1506:17, 1506:26

single [1] - 1499:17

SINGLETON [107] -

1404:5, 1404:12,

1424:47, 1450:39,

1454:8, 1454:19,

1456:6, 1456:11,

1456:19, 1456:28,

1456:37, 1457:10,

1481:21, 1490:31,

1490:47, 1491:4,

1491:33, 1495:29,

1496:28, 1496:32,

1496:36, 1496:43,

1499:17, 1501:17,

1501:45, 1506:1,

1506:7, 1508:13,

1508:18, 1509:11,

1509:16, 1509:23,

1509:28, 1509:30,

1510:13, 1510:17,

1510:37, 1510:44,

1511:5, 1511:12,

1511:17, 1511:34,

1512:8, 1512:15,

1512:19, 1512:26,

1512:33, 1512:38,

1512:42, 1512:47,

1513:5, 1513:9,

1513:15, 1514:19,

1515:4, 1515:31,

1515:38, 1516:18,

1516:26, 1518:39,

1519:35, 1519:42,

1520:7, 1520:11,

1520:40, 1521:31,

1521:39, 1521:45,

1522:2, 1522:12,

1522:17, 1522:35,

1522:40, 1523:1,

1523:12, 1523:16,

1523:42, 1524:5,

1524:16, 1525:9,

1525:14, 1525:22,

1525:28, 1525:38,

1526:28, 1527:21,

1527:35, 1528:12,

1528:17, 1528:40,

1529:13, 1530:4,

1530:10, 1532:3,

1535:36, 1535:47,

1536:9, 1536:20,

1536:26, 1536:32,

1536:42, 1537:16,

1537:21, 1537:35,

1537:43, 1538:2,

1538:8

Singleton [6] -

1440:44, 1509:9,

1515:29, 1518:36,

1529:44, 1532:1

Singleton's [3] -

1458:25, 1506:12,

1530:1

sit [7] - 1408:3,

1409:43, 1410:6,

1413:33, 1436:8,

1437:43, 1441:17

site [6] - 1426:27,

1426:28, 1426:29,

1426:30, 1476:6,

1476:10

sites [6] - 1418:3,

1442:38, 1461:11,

1461:13, 1461:18,

1461:27

sitting [9] - 1408:45,

1408:47, 1410:12,

1444:30, 1451:26,

1462:16, 1462:47,

1490:20, 1496:6

situation [4] -

1503:36, 1507:46,

1507:47, 1508:1

situations [1] -

1506:16

six [2] - 1431:26,

1494:14

sixth [1] - 1501:24

size [2] - 1511:29,

1513:11

skill [2] - 1415:17,

1464:6

skills [6] - 1415:36,

1532:46, 1533:13,

1533:14, 1533:35,

1534:2

skip [2] - 1481:26,

1483:38

skipped [2] - 1496:28,

1496:30

slide [1] - 1502:22

slightly [5] - 1423:24,

1466:21, 1466:42,

1484:23, 1500:43

slow [1] - 1427:25

slowly [1] - 1427:47

small [4] - 1460:20,

1484:10, 1537:28

smaller [1] - 1469:6

snapshot [1] -

1421:24

SOME [1] - 1519:32

someone [8] -

1428:21, 1432:17,

1441:44, 1488:11,

1506:23, 1527:36,

1537:29, 1537:37

sometime [1] -

1482:37

sometimes [5] -

1411:36, 1415:12,

1499:35, 1499:36

somewhat [1] -

1445:28

soon [4] - 1441:42,

1441:46, 1450:1,

1458:10

sophisticated [2] -

1445:2, 1499:38

sorry [42] - 1404:5,

1408:32, 1409:23,

1409:35, 1409:47,

1416:25, 1418:29,

1419:41, 1423:43,

1424:37, 1427:27,

1428:3, 1431:40,

1431:41, 1438:11,

1438:13, 1438:15,

1438:17, 1451:46,

1454:10, 1454:12,

1455:35, 1457:46,

1458:4, 1465:27,

1467:27, 1477:5,

1481:36, 1483:23,

1483:45, 1493:35,

1502:41, 1503:7,

1511:26, 1515:36,

1522:9, 1524:19,

1526:33, 1527:35,

1528:6, 1529:10

sort [15] - 1421:14,

1422:12, 1435:45,

1440:32, 1445:4,

1445:21, 1446:30,

1448:43, 1452:32,

1473:8, 1475:7,

1475:12, 1487:7,

1492:5, 1505:30

sorted [1] - 1440:35

sorts [2] - 1444:44,

1473:13

sought [2] - 1457:31,

1469:13

sound [1] - 1457:8

sounds [1] - 1534:4

South [12] - 1408:20,

1419:24, 1419:26,

1423:16, 1431:43,

1438:37, 1468:6,

1483:40, 1484:8,

1484:11, 1484:12,

1501:33

space [1] - 1466:9

span [1] - 1470:37

speaking [3] -

1496:37, 1532:25,

1533:29

special [10] - 1473:32,

1483:33, 1483:36,

1484:37, 1485:22,

1485:25, 1487:19,

1532:39, 1532:41,

1533:26

specialised [2] -

1415:35, 1415:39

specialist [3] -

1419:37, 1525:20,

1525:26

specific [17] - 1407:7,

1415:38, 1447:16,

1469:4, 1473:26,

1473:30, 1473:34,

1473:39, 1474:5,

1489:29, 1491:41,

1491:46, 1492:2,

1492:8, 1492:41,

1493:35, 1505:37

specifically [18] -

1408:26, 1414:21,

1415:11, 1415:13,

1417:41, 1418:11,

1431:45, 1434:43,

1435:30, 1438:34,

1440:16, 1449:23,

1466:17, 1474:22,

1475:8, 1491:40,

1497:2, 1525:41

specification [2] -

1533:15, 1533:24

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specifics [1] - 1492:27

speculation [1] -

1530:23

speed [3] - 1445:30,

1475:14, 1503:21

spelt [1] - 1487:6

spending [1] -

1532:40

spent [1] - 1529:7

spoken [2] - 1468:41,

1495:33

sponsor [1] - 1464:38

sponsoring [2] -

1464:24, 1464:44

Springwood [6] -

1417:37, 1440:11,

1442:10, 1446:16,

1501:27, 1534:19

squarely [1] - 1508:21

SSG [1] - 1441:10

staff [65] - 1409:28,

1409:36, 1415:35,

1415:37, 1418:13,

1422:8, 1431:27,

1437:22, 1442:29,

1443:19, 1443:28,

1443:30, 1444:41,

1446:28, 1446:41,

1447:22, 1447:34,

1447:43, 1447:46,

1448:14, 1448:15,

1448:18, 1448:22,

1448:23, 1448:31,

1449:8, 1449:12,

1449:21, 1449:47,

1450:5, 1451:37,

1460:10, 1463:36,

1464:19, 1465:4,

1465:8, 1466:4,

1473:21, 1475:41,

1478:19, 1485:15,

1485:16, 1487:7,

1496:2, 1496:15,

1498:16, 1498:18,

1498:20, 1503:38,

1503:40, 1505:37,

1505:38, 1507:8,

1511:28, 1511:39,

1517:7, 1521:2,

1521:35, 1521:37,

1525:43, 1532:31,

1532:34, 1532:46,

1533:35

staff's [1] - 1475:41

staffing [2] - 1421:29,

1495:22

stage [13] - 1413:37,

1420:2, 1460:42,

1461:17, 1461:20,

1470:19, 1508:44,

1508:47, 1509:3,

1509:4, 1509:5,

1528:15, 1536:11

stages [1] - 1414:20

stand [2] - 1435:12,

1497:41

standard [4] -

1424:23, 1498:28,

1499:26, 1499:31

stapled [1] - 1522:31

start [7] - 1429:14,

1494:37, 1513:40,

1515:22, 1516:4,

1534:21, 1535:9

started [5] - 1411:30,

1424:6, 1465:3,

1493:4, 1530:34

starting [4] - 1406:14,

1430:34, 1430:36,

1435:18

starts [2] - 1459:8,

1499:33

state [11] - 1404:15,

1418:2, 1418:14,

1419:33, 1421:20,

1435:24, 1437:5,

1471:12, 1481:33,

1501:38, 1514:1

State [7] - 1420:40,

1421:30, 1421:42,

1422:11, 1424:22,

1491:43, 1513:36

statement [17] -

1412:30, 1429:41,

1453:45, 1479:10,

1479:29, 1479:30,

1479:32, 1479:33,

1479:44, 1480:3,

1486:27, 1494:33,

1510:38, 1518:16,

1524:43, 1525:1,

1536:17

STATEMENT [1] -

1525:5

statements [2] -

1480:31, 1503:37

Station [1] - 1520:32

STATION [1] -

1520:38

status [2] - 1461:11,

1516:33

Status" [1] - 1419:17

stay [3] - 1467:20,

1519:46, 1520:2

stayed [1] - 1446:36

steering [9] - 1409:42,

1410:3, 1410:9,

1436:12, 1437:16,

1441:5, 1471:46,

1472:39, 1535:6

step [6] - 1413:12,

1413:16, 1414:1,

1414:15, 1414:23,

1427:15

steps [18] - 1405:7,

1406:8, 1406:31,

1412:40, 1414:14,

1420:35, 1427:20,

1427:32, 1443:47,

1447:43, 1447:46,

1449:21, 1453:22,

1461:6, 1462:2,

1462:44, 1473:40,

1532:29

Steve [11] - 1416:10,

1514:23, 1514:26,

1514:27, 1515:41,

1517:18, 1517:33,

1517:37, 1517:38,

1520:30

STEVE [1] - 1520:35

stick [2] - 1491:39,

1492:27

stifle [1] - 1458:28

still [11] - 1410:25,

1425:13, 1453:33,

1458:25, 1459:13,

1481:29, 1486:28,

1487:1, 1500:20,

1517:12, 1530:27

stood [1] - 1433:13

stop [4] - 1437:37,

1455:47, 1456:34,

1475:34

stopped [1] - 1437:41

stopping [1] - 1506:25

storm [1] - 1514:2

storms [1] - 1513:47

straight [2] - 1498:16,

1503:27

strategic [7] -

1423:46, 1429:9,

1532:21, 1532:30,

1532:38, 1533:10,

1533:30

strategically [1] -

1532:35

strategies [1] - 1424:9

Strategy [1] - 1481:19

strategy [5] - 1423:47,

1481:42, 1483:37,

1532:11, 1533:39

Strategy" [1] -

1481:17

stream [1] - 1533:6

Street [4] - 1403:27,

1438:37, 1500:47,

1520:32

STREET [1] - 1520:38

strictly [1] - 1506:41

structural [1] -

1509:45

Structure [2] - 1512:3,

1519:2

STRUCTURE [1] -

1519:4

structure [12] -

1411:33, 1430:31,

1430:39, 1431:14,

1444:33, 1465:18,

1489:38, 1513:17,

1513:20, 1518:31,

1534:6

structures [1] -

1417:34

struggling [6] -

1422:20, 1489:36,

1489:37, 1507:11,

1516:12, 1535:24

Stuart [3] - 1467:14,

1501:11, 1502:16

stuff [2] - 1419:35,

1422:13

style [1] - 1446:29

subheading [1] -

1429:18

subject [7] - 1467:45,

1468:45, 1515:44,

1515:46, 1516:1,

1535:16, 1535:23

submission [5] -

1422:28, 1423:38,

1479:33, 1479:37,

1494:33

submissions [3] -

1436:44, 1537:24,

1537:27

submit [3] - 1520:27,

1523:21, 1523:39

submitted [1] - 1441:8

subordinate [2] -

1517:24, 1517:28

subsequent [4] -

1449:29, 1449:31,

1449:32, 1489:9

subsequently [1] -

1530:16

substance [1] -

1463:2

substantive [1] -

1471:35

substitute [1] -

1471:44

success [1] - 1448:3

successful [2] -

1454:47, 1485:25

succinct [3] -

1482:35, 1482:41,

1482:43

sudden [1] - 1527:3

sufficient [1] -

1449:26

sufficiently [1] -

1498:10

suggest [4] - 1415:29,

1456:11, 1517:37,

1535:47

suggested [1] -

1449:25

suggesting [1] -

1535:31

suggestion [5] -

1453:17, 1456:6,

1469:23, 1476:17,

1530:22

suggestion's [1] -

1518:15

suggests [1] -

1429:28

suit [1] - 1524:24

summarised [1] -

1533:10

supermarket [2] -

1527:36, 1527:41

supervision [1] -

1532:34

supervisors [2] -

1448:38, 1498:6

support [5] - 1422:12,

1422:15, 1445:31,

1497:21, 1529:15

supported [2] -

1475:11, 1475:41

supporting [2] -

1483:32, 1484:37

supportive [1] -

1445:31

suppose [2] -

1451:36, 1498:3

surprise [1] - 1538:2

surprised [1] -

1445:28

survey [5] - 1405:44,

1405:46, 1406:47,

1407:19, 1470:25

survives [1] - 1508:16

suspect [1] - 1479:46

suspected [1] -

1418:4

sustain [1] - 1423:42

sustainability [2] -

1448:38, 1498:7

sworn [1] - 1404:3

System [1] - 1428:30

system [4] - 1435:18,

1491:28, 1491:31,

1499:32

systems [26] -

1409:12, 1411:21,

1411:24, 1411:32,

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1411:35, 1421:11,

1428:36, 1429:2,

1429:13, 1430:21,

1430:24, 1430:30,

1433:5, 1435:38,

1435:43, 1443:14,

1482:14, 1485:16,

1489:21, 1489:26,

1490:23, 1490:25,

1490:44, 1492:15,

1535:4, 1535:15

systems/procedures

[1] - 1412:18

T

table [12] - 1405:39,

1405:40, 1434:22,

1434:23, 1435:21,

1461:14, 1461:18,

1483:38, 1484:38,

1485:10, 1486:6,

1537:26

TACO [2] - 1513:9,

1513:10

task [9] - 1470:33,

1473:31, 1474:40,

1482:43, 1515:21,

1515:44, 1516:6,

1529:5

task" [1] - 1515:41

team [83] - 1404:6,

1412:6, 1416:23,

1416:28, 1419:47,

1430:26, 1432:42,

1433:16, 1436:45,

1437:14, 1437:36,

1443:12, 1443:13,

1443:32, 1443:33,

1444:3, 1444:5,

1447:32, 1448:35,

1458:25, 1461:9,

1463:33, 1463:42,

1463:43, 1464:2,

1464:3, 1464:31,

1464:36, 1464:38,

1465:13, 1465:19,

1465:24, 1466:22,

1470:19, 1470:34,

1470:37, 1471:2,

1471:4, 1471:14,

1471:26, 1471:32,

1471:39, 1485:35,

1486:2, 1487:17,

1489:28, 1498:8,

1498:15, 1500:14,

1500:17, 1500:45,

1501:6, 1512:30,

1512:44, 1514:12,

1518:27, 1521:27,

1521:29, 1523:6,

1523:7, 1523:10,

1525:30, 1525:40,

1525:43, 1526:5,

1526:10, 1526:12,

1527:19, 1527:21,

1527:23, 1529:17,

1529:21, 1529:22,

1530:25, 1531:40,

1531:45

TEAM [2] - 1519:12,

1525:34

Team [2] - 1467:9,

1519:8

team's [2] - 1432:37,

1517:25

teams [6] - 1448:42,

1450:12, 1450:16,

1470:44, 1511:39,

1529:25

Tempest [2] -

1419:18, 1419:20

template [3] -

1424:23, 1499:26,

1513:37

temporarily [1] -

1524:6

temporary [1] -

1525:41

tend [1] - 1513:44

tender [17] - 1478:36,

1510:37, 1510:42,

1511:5, 1511:6,

1512:19, 1514:39,

1518:6, 1520:27,

1522:35, 1523:21,

1523:39, 1524:14,

1524:22, 1524:23,

1525:11, 1533:25

tendered [3] -

1450:24, 1511:2,

1513:24

tendering [3] -

1510:45, 1518:2,

1533:15

tenders [2] - 1524:20,

1534:12

term [4] - 1421:1,

1455:5, 1513:17,

1534:18

terms [45] - 1415:16,

1418:15, 1421:26,

1422:6, 1424:2,

1429:13, 1429:37,

1431:16, 1431:22,

1434:38, 1434:42,

1444:32, 1445:22,

1447:14, 1447:34,

1448:8, 1462:42,

1465:9, 1465:22,

1466:27, 1470:47,

1478:11, 1478:12,

1483:8, 1487:24,

1488:8, 1489:37,

1491:13, 1492:19,

1492:28, 1492:41,

1493:9, 1509:36,

1509:38, 1527:23,

1527:26, 1530:29,

1531:31, 1531:32,

1533:14, 1534:11,

1536:27

test [3] - 1426:47,

1443:30, 1490:3

testified [1] - 1456:13

text [1] - 1516:5

that'll [2] - 1456:16,

1458:37

THE [276] - 1403:13,

1404:1, 1404:9,

1409:31, 1410:21,

1410:25, 1410:29,

1410:31, 1412:35,

1415:43, 1416:31,

1416:35, 1417:23,

1418:29, 1418:47,

1419:4, 1419:10,

1419:39, 1421:24,

1422:26, 1422:30,

1422:34, 1422:39,

1422:45, 1423:2,

1423:7, 1423:11,

1423:21, 1423:26,

1423:30, 1424:37,

1425:4, 1425:10,

1425:46, 1426:1,

1435:45, 1438:15,

1439:25, 1439:30,

1450:22, 1450:26,

1450:30, 1450:35,

1450:41, 1453:32,

1453:37, 1454:5,

1454:10, 1454:14,

1454:21, 1455:3,

1455:19, 1455:24,

1455:28, 1455:32,

1455:37, 1455:45,

1456:9, 1456:16,

1456:23, 1456:33,

1456:47, 1457:12,

1457:20, 1457:29,

1457:33, 1457:38,

1457:43, 1458:4,

1458:10, 1458:16,

1458:30, 1458:37,

1466:45, 1467:2,

1476:31, 1476:42,

1477:5, 1477:11,

1477:16, 1478:38,

1478:41, 1478:47,

1479:13, 1479:18,

1479:23, 1479:36,

1479:42, 1480:2,

1480:9, 1480:14,

1480:18, 1480:25,

1480:30, 1480:36,

1480:40, 1481:2,

1481:7, 1481:13,

1481:36, 1483:18,

1483:23, 1483:45,

1483:47, 1484:2,

1484:7, 1484:26,

1485:8, 1485:39,

1485:46, 1486:33,

1486:37, 1486:42,

1487:14, 1487:35,

1487:40, 1487:45,

1488:3, 1488:25,

1488:39, 1489:11,

1489:18, 1490:33,

1490:35, 1490:44,

1491:2, 1491:6,

1491:37, 1492:18,

1492:27, 1492:36,

1493:37, 1494:16,

1495:27, 1495:32,

1495:35, 1496:30,

1496:34, 1496:41,

1496:47, 1501:19,

1502:13, 1502:24,

1502:32, 1502:37,

1502:41, 1503:7,

1503:25, 1504:7,

1504:11, 1504:15,

1504:21, 1504:26,

1504:44, 1505:20,

1506:5, 1506:12,

1506:31, 1506:35,

1506:43, 1507:1,

1507:13, 1507:22,

1507:33, 1507:41,

1508:5, 1508:15,

1508:23, 1509:9,

1509:14, 1509:19,

1509:25, 1510:11,

1510:15, 1510:41,

1511:10, 1511:14,

1511:32, 1512:6,

1512:12, 1512:17,

1512:22, 1512:30,

1512:35, 1512:40,

1512:44, 1513:3,

1513:7, 1513:13,

1514:17, 1515:2,

1515:28, 1515:33,

1515:36, 1516:14,

1516:21, 1516:23,

1518:9, 1518:15,

1518:20, 1518:25,

1518:29, 1518:34,

1518:41, 1519:1,

1519:7, 1519:13,

1519:15, 1519:25,

1519:31, 1519:32,

1519:40, 1519:46,

1520:5, 1520:9,

1520:30, 1521:26,

1521:29, 1521:33,

1521:42, 1521:47,

1522:9, 1522:15,

1522:43, 1523:10,

1523:14, 1523:18,

1523:24, 1523:32,

1523:35, 1523:44,

1524:1, 1524:13,

1524:19, 1524:28,

1524:35, 1524:47,

1525:7, 1525:18,

1525:25, 1525:30,

1525:35, 1526:26,

1526:33, 1527:23,

1528:6, 1528:14,

1528:19, 1528:38,

1529:10, 1529:19,

1529:36, 1529:42,

1529:47, 1530:6,

1530:12, 1531:47,

1535:33, 1535:44,

1536:2, 1536:23,

1536:29, 1536:35,

1536:39, 1536:40,

1536:45, 1537:3,

1537:14, 1537:19,

1537:32, 1537:37,

1537:46, 1538:4,

1538:10, 1538:13

theme [1] - 1496:38

themselves [3] -

1429:12, 1515:5,

1537:6

there'd [1] - 1473:2

thereafter [4] - 1408:6,

1425:42, 1451:14,

1514:44

they've [5] - 1415:47,

1416:3, 1416:6,

1525:11

thinking [1] - 1498:9

third [8] - 1449:34,

1449:38, 1452:19,

1462:20, 1482:12,

1485:1, 1517:21,

1536:17

thirds [3] - 1412:10,

1464:29, 1477:2

Thompson [8] -

1415:6, 1415:13,

1415:15, 1415:46,

1416:13, 1419:44,

1517:25, 1517:30

Thompson's [2] -

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1415:5, 1415:9

thorough [1] -

1508:28

thoroughly [1] -

1507:7

three [11] - 1413:34,

1416:21, 1482:26,

1491:4, 1515:23,

1515:40, 1519:40,

1520:41, 1536:10,

1536:36, 1537:25

THREE [1] - 1536:39

three-paged [2] -

1536:10, 1536:36

THREE-PAGED [1] -

1536:39

three-part [1] -

1520:41

three-quarters [2] -

1515:23, 1515:40

three-year [1] -

1482:26

throughout [3] -

1426:34, 1472:7,

1498:11

Thursday [1] -

1521:16

THURSDAY [1] -

1538:14

time's [1] - 1535:14

timeframe [2] -

1443:25, 1482:26

timeframes [1] -

1446:9

timeline [3] - 1427:12,

1469:31, 1475:15

Timeline [1] - 1520:31

TIMELINE [1] -

1520:36

timely [7] - 1457:27,

1457:41, 1458:1,

1458:5, 1468:19,

1478:15, 1517:13

timing [2] - 1489:42,

1517:18

tip [2] - 1533:7, 1533:9

title [1] - 1479:21

titled [1] - 1482:1

titles [1] - 1485:2

TO [7] - 1519:21,

1520:35, 1523:30,

1523:32, 1524:2,

1525:4, 1538:13

today [25] - 1404:6,

1404:10, 1407:7,

1408:3, 1408:45,

1408:47, 1441:17,

1444:30, 1451:26,

1455:39, 1457:4,

1457:14, 1457:22,

1459:40, 1462:16,

1462:47, 1463:25,

1471:16, 1478:28,

1488:34, 1491:28,

1503:34, 1503:39,

1505:2, 1506:8

together [8] - 1418:15,

1419:22, 1420:41,

1471:26, 1471:29,

1475:18, 1503:19,

1514:23

tomorrow [3] -

1536:46, 1537:10,

1538:11

TONY [1] - 1523:32

Tony [1] - 1523:27

took [12] - 1424:21,

1444:34, 1444:39,

1450:6, 1485:32,

1495:2, 1500:4,

1501:6, 1511:38,

1514:41, 1529:5,

1532:33

tool [1] - 1431:32

top [20] - 1426:32,

1426:39, 1426:41,

1441:32, 1456:11,

1465:43, 1477:8,

1481:26, 1484:31,

1484:32, 1500:44,

1510:30, 1515:16,

1515:25, 1515:31,

1516:39, 1516:44,

1517:17, 1522:20,

1522:21

topic [5] - 1445:44,

1466:43, 1504:33,

1506:22, 1526:1

topics [3] - 1427:11,

1463:1, 1506:15

totally [1] - 1507:36

touch [1] - 1445:19

touched [2] - 1449:40,

1468:36

towards [2] - 1424:10,

1528:21

traffic [1] - 1531:33

train [1] - 1434:20

trained [1] - 1532:31

training [4] - 1405:12,

1405:14, 1473:21,

1478:23

transcript [21] -

1454:14, 1454:22,

1455:4, 1455:8,

1455:9, 1455:42,

1456:16, 1456:24,

1456:25, 1456:43,

1457:22, 1457:47,

1458:5, 1458:10,

1458:17, 1458:26,

1459:8, 1462:30,

1523:6, 1525:15

transferred [1] -

1532:5

transition [2] -

1471:15, 1471:21

treated [1] - 1464:46

treatment [2] -

1484:39, 1485:11

tremendous [1] -

1506:14

trial [1] - 1506:21

tried [2] - 1454:45,

1534:9

trouble [2] - 1452:45,

1488:11

troubled [1] - 1435:10

truck [4] - 1446:47,

1447:3, 1447:5

true [1] - 1429:37

true" [1] - 1453:45

truncated [3] -

1483:26, 1484:21,

1500:43

trust [1] - 1468:40

try [8] - 1424:9,

1437:7, 1475:17,

1475:18, 1485:33,

1485:37, 1492:39,

1534:10

trying [16] - 1417:17,

1420:41, 1422:32,

1423:41, 1424:41,

1484:7, 1486:3,

1486:22, 1491:18,

1506:33, 1516:11,

1516:12, 1530:1,

1531:16, 1535:44,

1537:43

Tuesday [1] - 1521:15

turn [33] - 1404:28,

1404:38, 1405:39,

1407:10, 1408:19,

1408:31, 1409:41,

1412:4, 1415:41,

1416:41, 1418:45,

1425:18, 1427:8,

1428:7, 1429:17,

1432:33, 1434:21,

1436:11, 1438:6,

1439:7, 1440:5,

1441:4, 1441:31,

1442:2, 1446:11,

1453:4, 1460:20,

1466:9, 1469:8,

1471:8, 1474:8,

1494:30, 1521:3

turned [3] - 1498:45,

1498:47, 1529:3

turning [2] - 1467:7,

1531:28

two [28] - 1412:10,

1416:21, 1420:46,

1422:4, 1430:3,

1432:29, 1451:36,

1454:19, 1464:29,

1465:1, 1473:3,

1477:2, 1478:15,

1480:30, 1482:1,

1484:29, 1487:37,

1487:47, 1491:4,

1500:9, 1503:37,

1510:47, 1519:16,

1519:36, 1523:24,

1523:44, 1528:23,

1528:26

TWO [3] - 1519:21,

1523:30, 1524:1

two-thirds [3] -

1412:10, 1464:29,

1477:2

Twomey [1] - 1449:5

tying [1] - 1434:4

type [1] - 1438:2

typed [5] - 1455:42,

1500:20, 1510:20,

1510:22, 1516:6

U

ultimately [4] -

1433:27, 1469:40,

1486:11, 1535:38

unannotated [1] -

1511:8

unbudgeted [2] -

1421:19, 1423:33

undated [1] - 1519:2

UNDATED [1] - 1519:5

UNDER [1] - 1403:13

under [20] - 1416:41,

1417:25, 1420:36,

1427:18, 1427:28,

1427:30, 1429:19,

1430:37, 1434:1,

1443:14, 1453:9,

1453:37, 1457:2,

1457:12, 1481:5,

1482:5, 1484:11,

1487:4, 1490:38,

1532:6

undermine [1] -

1531:16

underneath [1] -

1515:44

understood [2] -

1433:33, 1442:42

undertake [2] -

1413:18, 1482:13

undertaken [2] -

1404:35, 1407:20

undoubtedly [1] -

1458:34

unexpected [1] -

1423:33

unfair [1] - 1491:37

unfortunately [1] -

1484:21

union [14] - 1440:15,

1440:25, 1440:37,

1451:24, 1474:44,

1475:3, 1475:22,

1475:32, 1475:35,

1475:36, 1475:40,

1528:28, 1528:34,

1528:35

union's [1] - 1475:26

unmarked [1] - 1524:5

Unnecessary [1] -

1484:44

unplanned [3] -

1421:18, 1423:33,

1424:28

unprogrammed [1] -

1421:19

up [87] - 1412:9,

1416:7, 1419:45,

1431:27, 1435:40,

1436:30, 1437:23,

1441:6, 1441:15,

1443:11, 1444:3,

1444:17, 1444:39,

1444:42, 1445:30,

1447:34, 1447:46,

1452:42, 1453:6,

1453:18, 1453:27,

1453:28, 1453:38,

1454:35, 1455:4,

1455:22, 1456:23,

1457:22, 1458:27,

1458:31, 1465:9,

1465:13, 1467:20,

1469:28, 1471:43,

1472:42, 1474:6,

1475:14, 1475:16,

1475:37, 1475:44,

1478:4, 1478:29,

1484:32, 1485:33,

1487:32, 1487:33,

1491:31, 1492:37,

1493:4, 1493:9,

1493:10, 1493:18,

1493:20, 1493:27,

1494:9, 1495:46,

1496:10, 1496:26,

1498:16, 1498:45,

1498:47, 1499:33,

1499:35, 1499:36,

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1503:7, 1503:21,

1504:35, 1505:23,

1510:20, 1510:22,

1514:41, 1514:46,

1516:30, 1517:6,

1517:12, 1520:14,

1525:12, 1525:40,

1528:28, 1528:33,

1529:3, 1531:28,

1532:1, 1532:17,

1532:34, 1534:2

up-to-date [2] -

1444:17, 1495:46

Update [2] - 1472:3,

1519:17

UPDATE [1] - 1519:22

update [5] - 1472:12,

1483:32, 1515:22,

1516:7, 1516:27

update" [1] - 1515:45

updated [3] - 1414:23,

1470:15, 1484:18

updates [7] - 1406:43,

1407:5, 1407:28,

1411:17, 1443:33,

1447:32, 1468:19

updating [1] - 1517:33

upkeep [1] - 1473:47

upper [3] - 1434:25,

1514:1, 1514:2

urgent [2] - 1461:35,

1505:26

USB [1] - 1481:11

useful [1] - 1506:36

USU [2] - 1440:6,

1474:30

usual [3] - 1421:2,

1471:6, 1488:25

V

vaguely [2] - 1466:33

value [3] - 1464:8,

1529:22, 1532:43

values [5] - 1431:25,

1431:27, 1436:22,

1443:27

Van [3] - 1498:43,

1498:44, 1498:45

variation [7] -

1483:33, 1483:36,

1484:38, 1485:22,

1485:25, 1532:39,

1532:41

various [5] - 1419:45,

1448:24, 1503:37,

1507:4, 1508:28

verbal [1] - 1537:23

verbally [2] - 1494:8,

1505:31

verifies [1] - 1504:41

verifying [1] - 1461:11

version [6] - 1431:42,

1483:26, 1484:28,

1496:4, 1511:8,

1518:45

view [14] - 1412:29,

1415:33, 1435:12,

1436:23, 1442:47,

1444:30, 1445:12,

1445:33, 1447:40,

1451:43, 1452:8,

1454:34, 1528:40,

1531:15

views [1] - 1459:46

visibility [5] - 1411:28,

1431:20, 1435:19,

1446:1, 1465:10

visit [1] - 1441:36

volume [3] - 1404:27,

1428:28, 1471:43

volumes [1] - 1466:7

W

wait [3] - 1456:47,

1487:35, 1530:19

waiting [1] - 1518:41

Wales [11] - 1408:20,

1419:24, 1419:26,

1423:16, 1431:43,

1468:6, 1483:40,

1484:8, 1484:11,

1484:12, 1501:33

WAS [1] - 1538:13

waste [5] - 1417:18,

1419:19, 1533:3,

1533:6

watch [2] - 1452:29,

1528:2

weakness [1] - 1424:1

web [2] - 1423:3,

1481:29

WEBSITE [1] -

1478:41

website [14] -

1409:20, 1409:22,

1409:26, 1409:31,

1432:11, 1455:4,

1457:22, 1458:28,

1458:31, 1477:1,

1477:5, 1477:16,

1477:46, 1478:38

WEDNESDAY [2] -

1519:12, 1525:35

Wednesday [3] -

1403:31, 1519:8,

1525:31

Weeds [1] - 1484:11

week [4] - 1443:20,

1462:8, 1506:10,

1507:10

weekend [1] - 1496:23

weekly [3] - 1464:37,

1465:14, 1498:28

weighbridge [3] -

1534:19, 1534:25,

1534:26

weight [1] - 1506:40

Westwood [1] -

1474:18

whatsoever [1] -

1527:31

whereabouts [1] -

1464:27

WHICH [1] - 1536:40

whilst [3] - 1505:35,

1524:41, 1531:36

whole [10] - 1410:17,

1421:13, 1433:35,

1433:43, 1486:18,

1486:24, 1486:46,

1486:47, 1517:8,

1533:4

whole-of-

organisation [2] -

1486:24, 1486:47

wide [4] - 1432:44,

1433:47, 1498:10,

1500:10

widespread [1] -

1449:17

willing [3] - 1445:31,

1510:6, 1510:7

Willis [13] - 1404:31,

1404:40, 1406:21,

1407:1, 1413:19,

1413:40, 1414:3,

1414:4, 1414:10,

1428:29, 1436:36,

1482:19, 1489:19

Wilson [1] - 1496:17

wind [1] - 1514:2

wisely [1] - 1532:40

wish [2] - 1447:47,

1504:24

WITH [2] - 1519:20,

1536:40

withdraw [1] - 1537:3

WITHDREW [1] -

1537:14

witness [20] -

1404:12, 1454:5,

1454:24, 1488:5,

1489:12, 1489:30,

1491:47, 1492:7,

1504:17, 1504:46,

1506:9, 1511:14,

1519:37, 1519:44,

1521:26, 1522:38,

1523:38, 1524:20,

1530:26, 1536:46

Witness [18] -

1453:45, 1454:15,

1454:22, 1455:5,

1455:11, 1456:13,

1456:20, 1456:21,

1456:30, 1456:31,

1456:38, 1458:18,

1530:4, 1530:6,

1530:8, 1530:16,

1530:24, 1537:12

WITNESS [19] -

1410:31, 1422:39,

1426:1, 1483:47,

1484:7, 1487:32,

1490:33, 1495:27,

1495:32, 1501:19,

1502:37, 1504:11,

1512:17, 1515:33,

1516:23, 1520:5,

1521:29, 1522:15,

1537:14

witness's [1] -

1455:38

wonder [4] - 1479:8,

1494:27, 1499:3,

1500:42

word [7] - 1428:17,

1435:5, 1435:8,

1438:24, 1439:10,

1482:30, 1510:29

words [11] - 1426:39,

1451:33, 1464:25,

1476:22, 1477:42,

1478:8, 1486:14,

1486:47, 1487:3,

1503:38, 1517:31

work's [1] - 1435:17

worker [2] - 1426:27,

1465:37

workers [2] - 1452:12,

1521:22

workers' [1] - 1492:23

workforce [6] -

1475:31, 1481:17,

1481:19, 1483:37,

1498:12, 1533:38

workplace [6] -

1431:22, 1437:33,

1443:26, 1444:27,

1447:23, 1487:7

works [6] - 1427:22,

1427:36, 1453:42,

1454:27, 1466:12,

1473:12

Works [5] - 1419:24,

1419:26, 1419:29,

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1419:35, 1438:37

WorkSafe [4] -

1418:17, 1419:35,

1501:26, 1504:36

World [1] - 1424:25

worth [1] - 1536:35

write [4] - 1499:35,

1499:38, 1528:35,

1537:27

writes [1] - 1517:24

writing [1] - 1515:41

written [1] - 1502:9

WS [1] - 1468:6

Y

year [6] - 1406:1,

1423:21, 1459:6,

1482:26, 1485:14,

1501:26

years [10] - 1413:34,

1420:46, 1422:4,

1424:21, 1443:44,

1444:10, 1444:31,

1463:8, 1473:25,

1513:16

yourself [8] - 1405:8,

1412:40, 1438:24,

1439:9, 1452:8,

1507:26, 1510:20,

1517:9

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