luce deposition
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6 I K @ N _
2 SIPKN]] ZFCN
= SFYKN FHFK H^MN
0 Mfhhn` by ton Zhfiktiee @IRNMP N_FGIKFPIAK BY GR. EI_ >
5 ]PIZ^HFPIAK] 6:=
3 MNRPIEIMFPN AE RNZARPNR AFPO 6:0
? RNZARPNR'] @NZA]IPIAK MNRPIEIMFPN 6:>
9 MNRPIEIMFPN AE @NZAKNKP 6:5
6: NRRFPF ]ONNP 6:3
66
62
6=
60 N _ O I B I P ]
6> (Nxoibits 6 - =>? prnviaushy gfrdn`.)
65 KA. @N]MRIZPIAK ZFCN
63 =>9 Nxpnrt Rnpart ae Sfykn Fhfk Humn 0
6?
69
2:
26
22 2=
20
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6 ^KIPN@ ]PFPN] @I]PRIMP MA^RP MNKPRFH @I]PRIMP AE MFHIEARKIF 2 SN]PNRK @IUI]IAK
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0 EN@NRFH PRF@N MAGGI]]IAK,
> Zhfiktiee, Mfsn Ka.< 5 vs. MU :3 =5>0 CS EGAx 3 B^RKHA^KCN, IKM., f marparftiak4 L^FK FHN_FK@NR FRKAH@, ? fk ik`ivi`ufh4 LAOK PFYHAR, fk ik`ivi`ufh4 9 RAB @NBANR, fk ik`ivi`ufh4 fk`
]MAPP NHHIAPP, fk ik`ivi`ufh, 6: @nenk`fkts. 66
62
6=
60 @NZA]IPIAK AE SFYKN FHFK H^MN
6> Pfdnk ak Bnofhe ae ton Zhfiktiee
65
63 @FPN PFDNK< Sn`kns`fy, Kavngbnr >, 2::?
6? PIGN< 2 Earbns Zhfmn 2: Arhfk`a, Ehari`f
26
22
2=
20 ]PNKACRFZOIMFHHY RNZARPN@ BY< Harnttf Hnn, EZR 2> Mnrtiein` Ehari`f Zraenssiakfh Rnpartnr
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6 FZZNFRFKMN] Znfmotrnn ]trnnt, K.N. ]uitn 6>:: 5 Fthfktf, Cnarcif =:=:= (0:0) 5>5-6=>= 3 Fppnfrn` vif tnhnpoakn makenrnkmn mfhh
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9 Mauksnh ear @nenk`fkts:: 62 Has Fkcnhns, Mfhiearkif 9::63 (=6:) 05:-00?6 6=
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6>
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63
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69
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6 Z R A M N N @ I K C ]
2 (@npasitiak Nxoibit Ka. =>9 gfrdn` ear
= i`nktieimftiak.)
0 (Sitknss swark.)
> PON SIPKN]]< I `a.
5 GR. EI_< I'` hidn ta stftn ear ton rnmar`
3 toft tois is f `npasitiak ae Sfykn Fhfk Humn
? bnikc mak`umtn` ik ton mfsn En`nrfh Prf`n
9 Maggissiak vnrsus BurkHaukcn, Ikm. nt fh., mivih
6: kugbnr MU :3 =5>0 CS, braucot ik ton ^kitn`
66 ]tftns @istrimt Maurt, Mnktrfh @istrimt ae
62 Mfhiearkif, Snstnrk @ivisiak.
6= Pon `npasitiak is bnikc onh` ft ton Rfgf`f
60 Rnkfissfkmn gatnh, f makenrnkmn raag ik Arhfk`a,
6> Ehari`f.
65 Gy kfgn is @fvi` Eix. I'g fk fttarkny wito
63 ton En`nrfh Prf`n Maggissiak, fk` I'g mak`umtikc
6? tois `npasitiak tnhnpoakimfhhy.
69 Sauh` ton atonr pfrtins katn tonir
2: fppnfrfkmn, phnfsn.
26 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Hfwrnkmn ]tnikbnrc ear
22 `nenk`fkts BurkHaukcn, Ikm. fk` Lufk Fhnxfk`nr
2= Frkah`.
20 PON SIPKN]]< Sfykn Fhfk Humn.
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6 SFYKN FHFK H^MN,
2 mfhhn` fs f witknss by ton Zhfiktiee, ofvikc bnnk
= eirst `uhy swark, tnstiein` fs eahhaws BY GR. EI_ ^kivnrsity4 fk` f gfstnr's ik busiknss f`gikistrftiak
65 erag ton Mruggnr ]moaah ae Busiknss, Rahhiks Mahhncn,
63 Siktnr Zfrd, Ehari`f.
6? V. Sonk `i` yau rnmnivn yaur bfmonhar's `ncrnn1
69 F. 6953.
2: V. Fk` mfk yau `nsmribn ear gn yaur gfstnr's
26 `ncrnn1
22 F. Gfstnr's ik busiknss f`gikistrftiak uk`nr fk
2= nxnmutivn GBF pracrfg erag ton ynfrs 69?0 ta 69?5.
20 It wfs f cnknrfh busiknss nxnmutivn -- nxnmutivn GBF
2> pracrfg murrimuhug.
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6 V. Fk` woft mahhncn wfs toft fcfik1
2 F. Pon Mruggnr ]moaah ae Busiknss ft Rahhiks
= Mahhncn, Siktnr Zfrd, Ehari`f.
0 V. Fk` wonk yau wnrn fk uk`nrcrf`uftn, `i` yau
> nvnr tfdn fky maursns ik nmakagims1
5 F. Ka.
3 V. @i` yau nvnr tfdn fky maursns ik stftistims1
? F. Yns. ^k`nrcrf`uftn, ka, ka. Ik gy GBF
9 pracrfg I taad stftistims maursns.
6: V. Fk` `urikc yaur GBF pracrfg, `i` yau nvnr
66 tfdn fky maursns ik nmakagims1
62 F. Akn cnknrfh survny maursn ik busiknss
6= nmakagims.
60 V. Ik f``itiak ta toft, yau ofvnk't of` fky
6> nmakagim trfikikc1
65 F. Ka.
63 V. Fk` mfk yau `nsmribn ear gn yaur stftistims
6? maursn1
69 F. It wfs f bfsim stftistims maursn. It wfs f
2: rnquirn` pfrt ae ton murrimuhug ear ton GBF pracrfg.
26 Bfsim --
22 V. -- fky trfikikc ik stftistims1
2= F. Bnyak` toft bfsim maursn, ka.
20 V. ]a yau wauh`k't maksi`nr yaursnhe fk nxpnrt
2> ik nitonr nmakagims ar stftistims, wauh` yau1
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6 F. I wauh` kat.
2 V. Sonk `i` yau fttnk` hfw smoaah1
= F. 6953 ta 693:.
0 V. Fk` is tonrn fky pfrtimuhfr spnmifhty yau
> of` wonk yau wnrn ik hfw smoaah1
5 F. Ka.
3 V. Fk` fetnr yau crf`uftn` erag hfw smoaah,
? woft wfs yaur eirst lab1
9 F. Fssistfkt mity fttarkny ear ton mity ae
6: Ramonstnr, Knw Yard, Gakran Maukty, stftn ae
66 Knw Yard.
62 V. Fk` oaw hakc `i` yau ammupy toft pasitiak1
6= F. Erag Lukn ae 693: uktih Lfkufry ae 6932.
60 Fbaut 6? gaktos.
6> V. Fk` woft wfs yaur -- woft wnrn yaur cnknrfh
65 `utins ik toft pasitiak1
63 F. Pwa-eah`. I rnprnsnktn` ton eirn `npfrtgnkt
6? ik hiticftiak gfttnrs prigfrihy fs `nenksn mauksnh,
69 fk` I onhpn` `rfet fk` prnpfrn rncuhftiaks fk` mity
2: ar`ikfkmns ear maksi`nrftiak by ton mity maukmih.
26 V. Fk` fetnr Lfkufry ae 6932, woft wfs yaur
22 knxt lab1
2= F. I wfs ngphayn` fs fssamiftn cnknrfh mauksnh
20 ae ton @irnmt ]nhhikc Fssamiftiak ik Sfsoikctak, @.M.
2> V. Fk` `urikc woft pnria` ae tign wnrn yau
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6 fssamiftn cnknrfh mauksnh1
2 F. Erag Lfkufry ae 6932 uktih Luhy ae 6935.
= V. Fk` woft wnrn yaur cnknrfh `utins fs
0 fssamiftn cnknrfh mauksnh ae ton @irnmt ]nhhikc
> Fssamiftiak1
5 F. Pa rnprnsnkt ton ik`ustry, ton trf`n
3 fssamiftiak, woimo @]F wfs f trf`n fssamiftiak ae, ik
? toasn `fys, fbaut 9: `irnmt snhhikc magpfkins, bnearn
9 fcnkmins, rncuhftary bafr`s, mity maukmih,
6: cavnrkgnktfh earugs, fk` stftn hncishfturns.
66 V. Fk` wonk yau sfy "rnprnsnkt," mauh` yau civn
62 gn f hitthn garn `nsmriptiak ae woft toft nktfihn`1
6= F. Cnknrfhhy I wfs nitonr pragatikc ton pfssfcn
60 ae mnrtfik typns ae maksugnr pratnmtiak hncishftiak,
6> ar I wfs appasikc mnrtfik typns ae prapasn`
65 hncishftiak toft I toaucot wauh` ukefirhy ar
63 f`vnrsnhy feenmt ton ik`ustry.
6? V. Fk` sa tois wfs nssnktifhhy f habbyikc
69 neeart ak bnofhe ae ton @irnmt ]nhhikc Fssamiftiak1
2: F. Poft's marrnmt.
26 V. Is tonrn fkytoikc yau `i` `urikc yaur lab ik
22 f``itiak ta f`vamftikc vfriaus hncishftivn gfttnrs1
2= F. Sn `nvnhapn` fk` f`gikistnrn` f
20 snhe-rncuhftary ma`n ae ntoims ak bnofhe ae ton
2> fssamiftiak.
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6 V. Fk` woft `i` tois maksist ae1
2 F. Ik toasn ynfrs, '32 ta '35, it wfs prigfrihy
= f ma`n ae ntoims iktnk`n` ta pratnmt ton purmofsnrs
0 ae ton pra`umts ae ton vfriaus `irnmt snhhikc
> magpfkins toft wnrn gngbnr magpfkins.
5 V. Yau sfy "purmofsnrs ae ton pra`umts." Mfk
3 yau tnhh gn f hitthn bit woft typns ae toikcs yau
? wnrn makmnrkn` wito1
9 F. Sn wnrn makmnrkn` wito pra`umts toft `i` kat
6: makearg ta ton pra`umt mhfigs, wn wnrn makmnrkn` wito
66 `nenmtivn pra`umts, wn wnrn makmnrkn` wito snrvimn
62 nhngnkts fs pfrt ae ton sfhns prapasitiak toft wnrn
6= kat hivn` up ta, kak`nhivnry ae pra`umts, toikcs ae
60 toft kfturn wonrn ton maksugnr of` gf`n f magphfikt
6> ta ton magpfky rnhftivn ta ton qufhity,
65 neenmtivnknss, ar usn ae ton pra`umt toft ton magpfky
63 of` kat rnspak`n` ta ik f rnfsakfbhn gfkknr ar ik f
6? rnfsakfbhn tign.
69 V. Sonk -- yau gnktiakn` yau hnet ton @irnmt
2: ]nhhikc Fssamiftiak ik ton suggnr ae --
26 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< 6935.
22 BY GR. EI_ avnr ton ik-oausn hfw `npfrtgnkt ft Puppnrwfrn Oagn
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6 Zfrtins.
2 V. Fk` wonrn wfs Puppnrwfrn Oagn Zfrtins
= hamftn`1
0 F. Arhfk`a, Ehari`f.
> V. Fk` woft's ton busiknss ae Puppnrwfrn1
5 F. Puppnrwfrn Oagn Zfrtins wfs f `irnmt snhhikc
3 magpfky toft sah` phfstim eaa` starfcn fk` snrvikc
? maktfiknrs ik ton ^.]. fk` ik 600 mauktrins frauk`
9 ton warh`.
6: V. Sauh` tony snhh tong torauco f kntward ae
66 ik`npnk`nkt `istributars1
62 F. Yns.
6= V. Fk` `i` ton ik`npnk`nkt `istributars
60 prigfrihy snhh tong torauco ton usn ae oagn pfrty
6> ftgasponrns1
65 F. Zrigfrihy, but kat nxmhusivnhy, yns.
63 V. Fk` `i` ton Puppnrwfrn rnprnsnktftivns ofvn
6? fky ikvnktary1
69 F. Yns, ik sagn mfsns.
2: V. But ik f hat ae mfsns tony lust phfmn` ton
26 ar`nr `irnmthy wito ton magpfky1
22 F. Marrnmt.
2= V. Fk` fbaut woft pnrmnktfcn ae ton
20 rnprnsnktftivns fmtufhhy gfiktfikn` fky dik` ae
2> ikvnktary1
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6 F. Zrabfbhy hnss tofk tnk pnrmnkt. I gnfk,
2 toft's f cunss bnmfusn wn `i`k't ofvn fky fmtufh
= `ftf. But tonrn wfs ka rnquirngnkt ta gfiktfik fky
0 ikvnktary ta `a busiknss.
> V. Fk` wfs Puppnrwfrn f guhti-hnvnh gfrdntikc
5 magpfky1
3 F. Ft toft paikt, ka.
? V. @i` it bnmagn f guhti-hnvnh gfrdntikc
9 magpfky1
6: F. Yns.
66 V. Sonk wfs tois1
62 F. Fetnr I of` hnet ton magpfky ik ton hftn
6= 699:s fk` maktikuikc ta nvahvn tonir magpnksftiak
60 phfk. I bnhinvn ton hftnst itnrftiak ae tonir
6> magpnksftiak phfk wfs 2::5.
65 V. But `urikc ton tign toft yau wnrn ikvahvn`
63 wito Puppnrwfrn, it wfs kat f guhti-hnvnh, it wfs
6? lust phfik `irnmt sfhns1
69 F. It wfs fk uki-hnvnh magpnksftiak phfk wito f
2: stfir-stnp pracrfg.
26 Gy hfst tornn ynfrs ft Puppnrwfrn wn wnrn
22 usikc -- rukkikc pihat tnsts ak f guhti-hnvnh
2= magpnksftiak phfk.
20 V. Fk` ik ton guhti-hnvnh magpnksftiak phfk ft
2> Puppnrwfrn, yaur pihat tnst, `i` -- wfs tonrn fky
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6 rnquirngnkt ta ofvn fky ikvnktary1
2 F. Ka.
= V. @i` yau -- wonk `i` yau hnfvn Puppnrwfrn1
0 F. ]nptngbnr ae 6992.
> V. Soy `i` yau hnfvn Puppnrwfrn1
5 F. I wfs oirn` by f Britiso pubhisoikc magpfky,
3 @arhikc Dik`nrshny Zubhisoikc Magpfky, ta stfrt erag
? smrftmo f pfrty phfk `irnmt snhhikc magpfky wito f
9 guhti-hnvnh magpnksftiak phfk ta snhh moih`rnk's
6: baads, vi`nas, fk` M@-RAG].
66 V. Fk` woft magpfky wfs toft1
62 F. @arhikc Dik`nrshny. Sn apnrftn` uk`nr ton
6= trf`n kfgn @D Efgihy Hnfrkikc onrn ik ton
60 ^kitn` ]tftns.
6> V. Fk` woft wfs yaur pasitiak wito @D Efgihy
65 Hnfrkikc1
63 F. I wfs eauk`nr, prnsi`nkt, fk` MNA.
6? V. Sfs it f guhti-hnvnh gfrdntikc magpfky1
69 F. Yns.
2: V. Fk` ik tois, `i` pnaphn fmquirn ikvnktary --
26 F. Ka.
22 V. -- ar `i` tony -- `i` tony lust phfmn ar`nrs
2= wito ton magpfky1
20 F. Pony prigfrihy phfmn` ar`nrs wito ton
2> magpfky bnyak` f sfgphn dit. ]agn wauh` ernqunkthy
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6 purmofsn ikvnktary ta snhh aee ton tfbhn,
2 pfrtimuhfrhy frauk` oahi`fy tign. ]agn wauh`
= purmofsn ikvnktary ta snhh ft efirs fk` bfzffrs ar
0 ear euk`-rfisikc nvnkts.
> V. But gast ae ton sfhns wnrn ar`nr sfhns, kat
5 ikvnktary sfhns1
3 F. Marrnmt.
? V. Fk` woft wfs yaur knxt -- oaw hakc wnrn yau
9 wito ton pfrty magpfky1
6: F. Erag 6992 ta 699?.
66 V. Fk` woft `i` yau `a ik 699?1
62 F. I hnet @D Efgihy Hnfrkikc ta fssugn ton
6= pasitiak fs snkiar vimn prnsi`nkt ae sfhns fk`
60 gfrdntikc ear ZfrtyHitn Ciets, Ikm., onf`qufrtnrn` ik
6> Zhygauto, Gfssfmousntts.
65 ZfrtyHitn wfs f guhti-hnvnh pfrty phfk sfhns
63 magpfky snhhikc mfk`hns fk` mfk`hn fmmnssarins.
6? V. Fk` woft wnrn yaur rnspaksibihitins ik toft
69 pasitiak1
2: F. I wfs rnspaksibhn ear fhh ae ton ^.]. sfhns
26 fk` gfrdntikc fmtivitins ear ton ZfrtyHitn sfhns
22 pracrfg ik ton ^.].
2= V. Fbaut oaw gfky `istributars `i` ZfrtyHitn
20 ofvn `urikc ton tign yau wnrn tonrn1
2> F. Ynfo, it vfrin` shicothy, but it wfs rukkikc
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6 ik ton knicobaroaa` ae ?:,:::.
2 V. Kaw, wito rncfr` ta ton ?:,::: `istributars,
= wauh` tonsn `istributars purmofsn ikvnktary1
0 F. ]agn, yns.
> V. Fk` tonk sagn wauh`k't1
5 F. ]agn wauh` kat, toft's marrnmt.
3 V. @a yau dkaw fbaut woft prapartiak wauh` lust
? phfmn ar`nrs `irnmthy wito ton magpfky fk` kat ofvn
9 fky ikvnktary1
6: F. Zrabfbhy, fk` tois is -- tois is f prabfbhy.
66 I `ak't ofvn `ftf ak it. But prabfbhy frauk` 9:
62 pnrmnkt.
6= V. ]a 9: pnrmnkt `i`k't ofvn fky ikvnktary1
60 F. Bnyak` tonir sfgphns.
6> V. Ynfo.
65 F. Poft's marrnmt.
63 V. Fk` woft `i` yau -- woft is yaur knxt
6? pasitiak1
69 F. I hnet ZfrtyHitn -- I'g tryikc ta rngngbnr
2: wontonr it wfs Gfrmo '99 ar Gfrmo 2::: -- fk` bncfk
26 gy awk maksuhtikc eirg, Humn fk` Fssamiftns.
22 V. Fk` woy `i` yau hnfvn fk` earg yaur awk
2= magpfky1
20 F. Snhh, prigfrihy bnmfusn I wfs maggutikc ta
2> Zhygauto, Gfssfmousntts erag Arhfk`a, Ehari`f. Fk`
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6>
6 woihn I nklayn` ton ward vnry gumo, I `ishidn` ton
2 maggutikc fspnmt. Fk` fetnr twa ynfrs -- ar knfrhy
= twa ynfrs ae toft, I `ntnrgikn` toft I wauh` rftonr
0 bn ft oagn onrn ik Ehari`f wito gy efgihy fk` kat
> maggutikc fky hakcnr.
5 V. Fk` mfk yau tnhh gn fbaut wonk yau -- ar
3 wonk yau eargn` Humn fk` Fssamiftns1
? F. It wauh` ofvn bnnk ik ton sprikc ae 2:::, I
9 bnhinvn.
6: V. Fk` oaw gfky ngphaynns murrnkthy `ans Humn
66 fk` Fssamiftns ofvn1
62 F. Humn fk` Fssamiftns ofs akn ngphaynn fk` six
6= fssamiftns. Sn ruk -- wn apnrftn garn fs f ma-ap
60 tofk wn `a fs fk ngphaygnkt eirg.
6> V. Mfk yau nxphfik ta gn f hitthn bit woft yau
65 gnfk by toft1
63 F. ]urn. Ponrn frn six atonr gngbnrs ae ton
6? eirg bnsi`ns gysnhe wito vfryikc frnfs ae nxpnrtisn
69 ik `irnmt snhhikc. Sn sofrn ton mast ae ton
2: f`vnrtisikc, ton gfiktnkfkmn ae ton wnbsitn, ton
26 f`gikistrftiak, ton gngbnrsoip `uns ik ton @irnmt
22 ]nhhikc Fssamiftiak. Sn rnenr busiknss ta akn
2= fkatonr ak f rnenrrfh enn bfsis wonk wn mfk fssist
20 akn fkatonr wito vfriaus pralnmts, but wn apnrftn
2> nssnktifhhy fs ik`npnk`nkt maksuhtfkts witoik ton
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6 maapnrftivn.
2 I ofvn -- I ofvn akn ngphaynn woa wards
= `irnmthy ear gn.
0 V. Fk` `a yau ofvn fk aeeimn atonr tofk f oagn
> aeeimn1
5 F. Ka.
3 V. ]a `ans ton -- `ans ton ngphaynn ward ft
? yaur oagn aeeimn1
9 F. Ka, ton ngphaynn wards ik ]t. Mhau`,
6: Ehari`f.
66 V. Fk` woft `ans ton ngphaynn `a1
62 F. Pon ngphaynn is -- ofk`hns fhh ae ton
6= fmmauktikc fk` tfx ward ear gysnhe fk` ton atonr
60 fssamiftns. ]on gfdns ton trfvnh frrfkcngnkts, fk`
6> son fhsa mak`umts trfikikc `ngakstrftiaks ak saetwfrn
65 magpnksftiak phfkkikc gfkfcngnkt systngs fk` ar`nr
63 pra`umt -- fk` pra`umt ar`nrikc systngs, akhikn
6? pra`umt ar`nrikc systngs.
69 V. I'` hidn ta `irnmt yaur fttnktiak ta yaur
2: `nmhfrftiak.
26 F. Yns, sir.
22 V. Fk` yau gnktiak tonrn --
2= GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Nxmusn gn lust akn gikutn,
20 @fvi`. I'g kat fwfrn toft it's uk`nr pnkfhty ae
2> pnrlury. Fg I gissikc sagntoikc1
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63
6 GR. EI_< Nxmusn gn, ta yaur nxpnrt rnpart.
2 I stfk` marrnmtn`.
= PON SIPKN]]< Adfy.
0 BY GR. EI_ V. Yau gnktiak `urikc yaur mfrnnr yau ofvn --
5 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Nxmusn gn. Lust ear ton
3 rnmar`, yau gfy wfkt ta stftn tois ofs bnnk
? gfrdn` fs Nxoibit =>9.
9 GR. EI_< Fhh ricot. Lust ear ton rnmar`, I
6: wihh -- it's gfrdn` fs Nxoibit =>94 isk't it1
66 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Yns, toft's woft I lust
62 sfi`.
6= GR. EI_< Ynfo.
60 BY GR. EI_ V. Yau gnktiakn` ik ton nxpnrt rnpart yau wnrn
65 MNA ae Sih` Prnn, Ikm.
63 F. Marrnmt.
6? V. Fk` wonk wnrn yau MNA1
69 F. 2::5 ta -- ka -- ynfo -- Enbrufry ae 2::5
2: torauco @nmngbnr ae 2::?. I wfs siguhtfknaushy fhsa
26 apnrftikc gy maksuhtikc eirg.
22 V. Fk` woft `ans Sih` Prnn `a1
2= F. Snhh, Sih` Prnn is f guhti-hnvnh pfrty phfk
20 sfhns magpfky snhhikc f hikn ae fhh-kfturfh eaa`
2> pra`umts.
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6?
6 V. Sonk yau gnktiak it's f pfrty phfk, mfk yau
2 `nsmribn toft ear gn1
= F. Pon prigfry gntoa` ae snhhikc is ta snhh ta
0 f craup ae ik`ivi`ufhs ft akn tign ta `ngakstrftn ton
> pra`umts fk` prnsnkt tong ta f craup ae ik`ivi`ufhs
5 ft akn tign rftonr tofk akn-ak-akn sfhns.
3 V. ]a it wauh` bn hidn Puppnrwfrn1
? F. Yns, vnry sigihfr.
9 V. Fk` ak Sih` Prnn `a gast ae ton ik`npnk`nkt
6: sfhns rnprnsnktftivn ofvn ikvnktary1
66 F. Yns, ft mnrtfik tigns ae ton ynfr,
62 pfrtimuhfrhy `urikc ton oahi`fy tign wonrn tony mfk
6= snhh aee tonir tfbhns.
60 V. But atonr tigns ae ton ynfr tony wauh`k't
6> knmnssfrihy ofvn ta ofvn ikvnktary1
65 F. Marrnmt.
63 V. Fk` yau sfi` yau hnet tonrn ik -- ar wonk
6? `i` yau hnfvn tonrn1
69 F. I stnppn` `awk fs MNA ik @nmngbnr ae 2::3.
2: I'g stihh f gngbnr ae ton bafr` fk` f sofrnoah`nr.
26 V. Fk` mfk yau tnhh gn woy yau stnppn` `awk1
22 F. Yns. Nssnktifhhy ton -- I stnppn` ikta ton
2= pasitiak ik ar`nr ta cnt ton magpfky gavikc fk` bfmd
20 ak f crawto pfttnrk fk` ta trfik ton eauk`nr ae ton
2> magpfky, Hnshin Gaktin, ik oaw ta garn neenmtivnhy
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69
6 apnrftn ton magpfky fs MNA. Fk` tonk wonk -- wonk I
2 of` fmmagphison` toft cafh, I stnppn` bfmd.
= V. ]a tony wnrn -- yau ikitifhhy cat ik taumo
0 wito sagn -- bnmfusn tony wnrn f mhinkt ae Humn fk`
> Fssamiftns1
5 F. Yns.
3 V. Kaw, yau gnktiakn` toft Humn fk`
? Fssamiftns -- fcfik `irnmtikc yaur fttnktiak ta yaur
9 suggfry fk` qufhieimftiaks ak yaur nxpnrt rnpart.
6: Poft yau frn f maksuhtfkt ik magpnksftiak phfk `nsick
66 fk` igphngnktftiak.
62 Mfk yau `nsmribn ear gn woft toft is1
6= F. Snhh, yns. F magpfky wihh magn ta gn uk`nr
60 akn ae twa mirmugstfkmns. Pony wihh magn ta gn wito
6> ton rnqunst toft I nxfgikn fk nxistikc magpnksftiak
65 phfk ta snn wontonr tonrn frn gntoa`s ae igpravikc it
63 ar mofkcikc ton rftias ae pfyaut ar fmmnhnrftikc sagn
6? fspnmt ae ton phfk ear woft tony pnrmnivn ta bn f
69 busiknss bnkneit.
2: Pon snmak` fk` garn maggak ward is toft f
26 craup ae ik`ivi`ufhs wihh magn ta gn wito f pra`umt
22 i`nf fk` tony wfkt ta buih` f `irnmt snhhikc magpfky,
2= ta stfrt f `irnmt snhhikc magpfky, fk` tony wihh haad
20 ta gn ta onhp tong `nsick f magpnksftiak strumturn
2> toft is suitfbhn bato ear tonir pra`umt hikn sprnf`
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2:
6 fk` gix fk` ton primn paikts fk` fhsa feear`fbhn
2 uk`nr ton gfrciks toft tony wauh` ofvn ta spnk` ak
= magpnksftiak.
0 V. @a yau pravi`n, ik ton maursn ae yaur
> maksuhtikc `utins ik ton magpnksftiak phfk, `a yau
5 nvnr pravi`n fky hncfh f`vimn makmnrkikc ton hncfhity
3 ae ton magpnksftiak phfk1
? F. Ka. Soft I wihh `a is rnmaggnk` toft tony
9 ofvn fhh phfks rnvinwn` by mauksnh.
6: V. ]a yau `ak't eukmtiak fs hncfh rnvinw ae
66 tonir phfks1
62 F. I `a kat.
6= V. Frn yau murrnkthy f prfmtimikc hfwynr1
60 F. Ka.
6> V. Fk` wonk's ton hfst tign yau prfmtimn` hfw1
65 F. 699:.
63 V. Frn yau murrnkthy f gngbnr ae fky bfr
6? fssamiftiak1
69 F. Ka.
2: V. Sonk's ton hfst tign yau ofvn bnnk f gngbnr
26 ae f bfr fssamiftiak1
22 F. I toikd 2::=.
2= V. Fk` woimo akn wfs toft1
20 F. Ehari`f.
2> V. ]ikmn tonk yau'vn hnt yaur bfr fssamiftiak
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26
6 hfpsn bnmfusn yau'rn lust kat prfmtimikc hfw1
2 F. Marrnmt.
= V. Kaw, ik ton hfst pfcn ae yaur nxpnrt rnpart
0 yau gnktiak ton @irnmt ]fhns Fssamiftiak fk` ton
> @irnmt ]nhhikc N`umftiakfh Eauk`ftiak.
5 F. Marrnmt.
3 V. Yau gnktiakn` toft yau'vn bnnk f gngbnr ae
? ton bafr` ae `irnmtars ae ton @irnmt ]nhhikc
9 Fssamiftiak.
6: F. Yns.
66 V. @urikc woft pnria` ae tign wnrn yau f gngbnr
62 ae ton bafr`1
6= F. I mfkkat rngngbnr ton eirst ynfr I wfs
60 fmtufhhy nhnmtn` ta ton bafr`. I toikd it wfs
6> sagnwonrn bntwnnk 69?> fk` 699:. Fk` I snrvn`
65 maktikuaushy ak ton bafr` ae `irnmtars, up ta fk`
63 ikmhu`ikc snrvikc fs mofirgfk ae ton bafr`, torauco
6? fbaut 2::: ar 2::6.
69 V. Fk` `urikc woft pnria` ae tign wnrn yau
2: mofirgfk ae ton bafr` ae `irnmtars1
26 F. '93, '9?.
22 V. Fk` ik 2::6 yau mnfsn` bnikc f gngbnr ae ton
2= bafr`1
20 F. Sonk I stfrtn` gy eirg ik 2:::, I bnmfgn f
2> supphinr gngbnr fs appasn` ta fk fmtivn gngbnr, fk` I
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22
6 of` eikison` gy tnrg fs iggn`iftn pfst mofirgfk, sa I
2 wfs ka hakcnr nhicibhn ta bn f gngbnr ae ton bafr`.
= V. Poft's bnmfusn yau of` bnmagn f supphinr
0 gngbnr1
> F. Marrnmt.
5 V. Fk` mfk yau nxphfik ta gn woft f supphinr
3 gngbnr is1
? F. F supphinr gngbnr is f magpfky ar fk
9 ik`ivi`ufh ar f pfrtknrsoip toft pravi`ns snrvimns,
6: ar caa`s fk` snrvimns, caa`s fk` pra`umts ta `irnmt
66 snhhikc magpfkins ta fi` tong ik tonir busiknssns.
62 V. Mfk hfw eirgs bn f supphinr magpfky1
6= F. Yns, fk` f kugbnr frn.
60 V. Fk` tonrn frn kugbnr ae atonr maksuhtikc
6> magpfkins toft frn supphinr gngbnrs4 is toft marrnmt1
65 F. Yns, tonrn frn.
63 V. Yau gnktiakn` yau wnrn f gngbnr ae ton bafr`
6? ae `irnmtars ae ton @irnmt ]nhhikc N`umftiakfh
69 Eauk`ftiak.
2: F. I stihh fg.
26 V. Mfk yau tnhh gn woft toft is.
22 F. Pon @irnmt ]nhhikc N`umftiak Eauk`ftiak is f
2= >:6(m)= pubhim iktnrnst eauk`ftiak toft wards
20 prigfrihy wito fmf`ngims, euk`ikc fmf`ngim rnsnfrmo
2> fbaut ton `irnmt snhhikc gntoa` ae `istributiak, fk`
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2=
6 wards wito maksugnr arcfkizftiaks rfkcikc erag ton
2 Kftiakfh Fssamiftiak ae Fttarknys Cnknrfh ta ton
= Kftiakfh Fssamiftiak ae Maksugnr F`gikistrftars fk`
0 ton Kftiakfh Maksugnrs ^kiak ta pragatn bnst
> prfmtimns ear ton pratnmtiak ae maksugnrs aut ik ton
5 gfrdntphfmn, fk` fhsa euk`s rnsnfrmo fk` ward ik
3 gikarity busiknss fk` ik wagnk ngpawnrgnkt busiknss
? arcfkizftiaks, bato `agnstimfhhy fk` fbraf`.
9 V. Soft fssamiftiak `ans ton @irnmt ]nhhikc
6: N`umftiakfh Eauk`ftiak ofvn ta ton @irnmt ]nhhikc
66 Fssamiftiak1
62 F. Pon @irnmt ]nhhikc N`umftiak Eauk`ftiak wfs
6= aricikfhhy euk`n` ik 693=, eauk`n` fk` euk`n` by
60 gngbnrs ae ton @irnmt ]nhhikc Fssamiftiak, by gngbnr
6> magpfkins fk` ik`ivi`ufhs, fs f pubhim-iktnrnst
65 arcfkizftiak iktnrnstn` ik pragatikc `irnmt sfhns.
63 V. Fk` `urikc woft pnria` ae tign `i` yau mofir
6? ton bafr` `irnmtars1
69 F. Hnt's snn, toft wauh` ofvn bnnk -- toft
2: wauh` ofvn bnnk '95, '93, I toikd. Pon ynfr bnearn I
26 wfs mofirgfk ae ton @]F itsnhe.
22 V. Fk` yau gnktiakn` yau'rn stihh f gngbnr ae
2= ton bafr`1
20 F. I rnlaikn` ton bafr` tois pfst suggnr.
2> V. Kaw, yau gnktiakn` ak ton snmak` pfcn ae
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20
6 yaur -- ar toir` pfcn ae yaur nxpnrt rnpart toft
2 yau'vn pubhison` f hist ae frtimhns.
= F. Yns.
0 V. Fk` `i` yau fttfmo tong fs fk Nxoibit F ta
> yaur nxpnrt rnpart1
5 F. I `i` kat. I wihh bn ofppy ta pravi`n tong.
3 V. Is tonrn sagn rnfsak woy yau `i`k't fttfmo
? it fs Nxoibit F1
9 F. Ft ton tign I eihn` ton nxoibit, I `i` kat
6: ofvn ton magphntn hist ofk`y. I ofvn subsnqunkthy
66 pramurn` it erag ton gfcfzikn.
62 V. I wauh` fsd, mauh` yau gfdn toft fvfihfbhn
6= ta us1
60 F. ]urn. It wihh bn snvnrfh `fys uktih I mfk
6> cnt bfmd ta gy aeeimn ik Fsonvihhn.
65 V. Poft's eikn. Lust wonk yau cnt tign.
63 Yau'hh prabfbhy wfkt ta snk` it ta yaur
6? fttarkny, taa.
69 F. Yns.
2: V. Kaw, yau gnktiakn` yau'vn bnnk rntfikn`
26 twimn bnearn fs fk nxpnrt witknss1
22 F. Marrnmt.
2= V. Mfk yau tnhh gn, eirst, wonk tonsn wnrn --
20 wonk tonsn tigns wnrn1
2> F. Pon eirst situftiak wfs ak ar fbaut 2::=. I
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2>
6 mfkkat rngngbnr nxfmthy. I wfs rntfikn`, but ton
2 gfttnr wfs subsnqunkthy rnsahvn` fk` I knvnr wnkt ta
= earguhftikc f -- ar subgittikc fk apikiak.
0 V. Fk` woa rntfikn` yau1
> F. Fk fttarkny by ton kfgn ae Braad Gurpoy ik
5 Adhfoagf ak bnofhe ae ton magpfky Zrnpfi` Hncfh
3 ]nrvimns.
? V. ]a `i` yau `a fky ward ak toft mfsn1
9 F. Ka, kat rnfhhy.
6: V. Soft wfs toft mfsn fbaut1
66 F. Gy gngary is toft tonrn wfs f `isputn
62 bntwnnk ik`npnk`nkt `istributars fk` ton magpfky avnr
6= sagntoikc rnhftikc ta ton magpnksftiak phfk.
60 V. Mfk yau rnmfhh woft it wfs1
6> F. I `a kat. I knvnr cat ikta ton `ntfihs,
65 knvnr rnmnivn` fky `amugnkts ar suppartikc
63 ikeargftiak.
6? V. Soft is ton atonr mfsn toft yau'vn bnnk
69 rntfikn` fs fk nxpnrt1
2: F. Pon mfsn wfs ton Oausn ae Hhay` bfkdruptmy
26 mfsn. Fk` toft wfs ik 2::>, 2::5, fs I rnmfhh.
22 V. Soft wfs ton kfturn ae yaur nkcfcngnkt ik
2= toft mfsn1
20 F. I wfs rnqunstn` ta rnvinw ton ikeargftiak fs
2> ta wontonr ton busiknss of` -- wontonr ton busiknss
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25
6 wfs ik ton pramnss ae bnikc turkn` frauk` fk` gavikc
2 earwfr` ik its sfhns turkfrauk` phfk.
= V. @i` yau nvnr prnpfrn fk nxpnrt rnpart ik
0 toft mfsn1
> F. I `i`.
5 V. @i` yau nvnr tnstiey ik toft mfsn1
3 F. @npasitiak.
? GR. ]PNIKBNRC< I'` hidn ta tfdn f
9 akn-gikutn brnfd, phnfsn. Sn'hh bn ricot bfmd.
6: GR. EI_< ]urn.
66 (F soart rnmnss wfs tfdnk.)
62 BY GR. EI_ F. Sito gn1
65 V. @i` yau ofvn it wito yau -- ynfo, `a yau
63 ofvn it wito yau1
6? F. Ka.
69 V. @a yau ofvn it ft yaur aeeimn1
2: F. I'g kat surn. I `ispasn` ae gfky ae ton
26 rnmar`s wonk I gavn` erag Arhfk`a, Ehari`f ta
22 Fsonvihhn, Karto Mfrahikf snvnk gaktos fca.
2= V. @a yau ofvn f mapy ae yaur `npasitiak
20 trfksmript1
2> F. Ka.
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23
6 V. Ofvn yau nvnr of` f mapy ae yaur `npasitiak
2 trfksmript1
= F. Ka.
0 V. @i` yau civn f mapy ae yaur nxpnrt rnpart ta
> Gr. ]tnikbnrc1
5 F. Ka.
3 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< @fvi`, gfybn I gissn` it. I
? prabfbhy gissn` it. @i` Gr. Humn sfy -- I snn,
9 subsnqunkt `npasitiak. I fpahacizn.
6: GR. EI_< I toikd on sfi` toft on `ansk't
66 ofvn fky `npasitiak trfksmript.
62 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Ka, I uk`nrstfk` toft. I
6= lust `i`k't rnmfhh oig sfyikc on of` ois
60 `npasitiak tfdnk, but I snn toft kaw. I
6> fpahacizn.
65 GR. EI_< Ynfo, I toikd on sfi` toft on `i`.
63 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Adfy.
6? BY GR. EI_ V. Fk` woa is ]pnkmnr Rnnsn1
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2?
6 F. On is fk fttarkny, supphinr gngbnr ta ton
2 @irnmt ]nhhikc Fssamiftiak.
= V. Sonk wfs tois gnntikc1
0 F. I bnhinvn it wfs rnhftivn ta ton sprikc --
> ton Gfrmo bafr` gnntikc hfst sprikc.
5 V. Fk` woft `i` -- `i` on tnhh yau fkytoikc
3 fbaut woft typn ae nxpnrt, woft typn ae magpfky on
? wfs haadikc ear fk nxpnrt ear1
9 F. Magpnksftiak nxpnrt.
6: V. @i` on sfy fkytoikc garn tofk toft1
66 F. Fmtufhhy, ka.
62 V. Fk` woft `i` yau tnhh Gr. Rnnsn1
6= F. Poft I wauh` bn wihhikc ta spnfd ta woanvnr
60 wfktn` ta ikquirn fbaut gy snrvimns.
6> V. Fk` `i` Gr. Rnnsn tnhh yau woft magpfky wfs
65 ikvahvn` wito -- woft ton magpfky wfs toft wfs
63 iktnrnstn` ik pramurikc fk nxpnrt apikiak1
6? F. I mfk't rnfhhy rnmfhh wontonr on sfi` gy
69 mhinkt ar sfi` ton magpfky kfgn. I mfk't rnmfhh.
2: V. Fk` `i` yau ofvn fky eurtonr maktfmt wito
26 Gr. Rnnsn1
22 F. Fbaut tois gfttnr1
2= V. Ynfo.
20 F. Ka.
2> V. Fk` of` yau dkawk -- bnearn Gr. Rnnsn
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6 maktfmtn` yau, of` yau dkawk oig prnviaushy1
2 F. Ao, I'vn dkawk oig ear gfky ynfrs.
= V. Ik woft mfpfmity1
0 F. Fs f supphinr gngbnr ta ton trf`n
> fssamiftiak fk` its gngbnr magpfkins. I ofvn bnnk ak
5 pracrfgs wito ]pnkmnr, fk` I ofvn rnenrrn` magpfkins
3 ta ]pnkmnr snndikc hncfh f`vimn.
? V. Fk` is Gr. Rnnsn fk` ois hfw eirg f supphinr
9 gngbnr ae ton @]F1
6: F. Yns.
66 V. Fk` woft's ton knxt maktfmt yau of` wito
62 rncfr` ta yaur nxpnrt rnpart1
6= F. I wfs maktfmtn` by Gr. ]tnikbnrc's eirg.
60 V. Fk` wonk wfs tois1
6> F. I wfkt ta sfy Gfy, Lukn. I `i`k't rnmar`
65 ton nxfmt `ftn.
63 V. Pois is Gfy, Lukn 2::?1
6? F. Yns, sir.
69 V. Fk` woa ik toft eirg maktfmtn` yau1
2: F. I bnhinvn I wfs ikitifhhy maktfmtn` by f
26 pfrfhncfh ta snt up f tnhnpoakn fppaiktgnkt wito
22 Gr. ]tnikbnrc fk` fkatonr akn ae ois pfrtknrs, woasn
2= kfgn I earcnt.
20 V. Fk` `i` yau subsnqunkthy ofvn tois tnhnpoakn
2> makvnrsftiak wito oig1
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=:
6 F. I `i`.
2 V. Fk` fbaut wonk wfs toft1
= F. Fcfik, gi``hn, hftn Lukn. I rnfhhy mfk't
0 rnmfhh prnmisnhy.
> V. Fk` woft wfs sfi` `urikc toft tnhnpoakn
5 makenrnkmn1
3 F. Gy rnmahhnmtiak is toft on prigfrihy gf`n
? ikquirins fs ta gy nxpnrinkmn fk` gy mrn`nktifhs fk`
9 gy dkawhn`cn fk` uk`nrstfk`ikc ae magpnksftiak phfks
6: fk` `irnmt snhhikc fk` guhti-hnvnh magpnksftiak
66 phfks.
62 V. @i` on tnhh yau woa on rnprnsnktn`1
6= F. I bnhinvn on `i` ft toft paikt.
60 V. Yau bnhinvn on `i`, ar on `i`k't1
6> F. I bnhinvn on `i` gnktiak ton kfgn ae ois
65 mhinkt.
63 V. @i` on tnhh yau `urikc toft makvnrsftiak
6? woft on wfs iktnrnstn` ik1
69 F. Fs I rnmfhh, tonrn wfs f cnknrfh `nsmriptiak
2: toft tois wfs fk fmtiak ikvahvikc ton En`nrfh Prf`n
26 Maggissiak woa wfs fhhncikc mnrtfik fhhncftiaks
22 fcfikst ton mhinkt BurkHaukcn, sagn ae woimo toasn
2= fhhncftiaks ikvahvn` ton magpnksftiak phfk.
20 V. Zriar ta ton tign toft Gr. ]tnikbnrc tah`
2> yau BurkHaukcn wfs ikvahvn`, of` yau nvnr onfr` ae
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Ear Pon Rnmar`, Ikm.(=:6) ?3:-?:2> - www.etrikm.knt - (?::) 926->>>>
=6
6 BurkHaukcn1
2 F. Ka.
= V. Soft wfs ton knxt maktfmt yau of` wito
0 Gr. ]tnikbnrc1
> F. Fcfik, fs I rnmfhh, snvnrfh wnnds hftnr I
5 wfs katiein` toft tony wauh`, ik efmt, hidn ta usn gn
3 fs fk nxpnrt witknss, fk` wn nxnmutn` f rntnktiak
? hnttnr.
9 V. Ft ton tign toft yau of` nxnmutn` ton
6: rntnktiak hnttnr, `i` yau dkaw fkytoikc fbaut woft
66 BurkHaukcn magpnksftiak phfk wfs1
62 F. Ka.
6= V. @i` yau dkaw woft Gr. ]tnikbnrc wfktn` yau
60 ta `a1
6> F. Ik cnknrfh tnrgs on wfktn` gn ta nxfgikn ton
65 BurkHaukcn magpnksftiak phfk, woimo on `nsmribn` fs,
63 I bnhinvn, f bikfry phfk, fk` `ntnrgikn wontonr ton
6? phfk itsnhe viahftn` fky dik` ae ntoimfh ar hncfh
69 strimturns.
2: V. Fk` `i` on sfy woft dik` ae ntoimfh ar hncfh
26 strimturns on wfs iktnrnstn` ik snnikc wontonr ar kat
22 it viahftn`1
2= F. Ka. I gnfk -- wnhh, ik cnknrfh -- ka, I
20 `ak't bnhinvn on `i`.
2> V. Fk` fbaut wonk `i` tois -- wonk `i` yau
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=2
6 nxnmutn ton rntnktiak -- ton rntnktiak hnttnr1
2 F. Fcfik, I'g caikc erag gngary, fk` I'g kat
= surn ae ton tign spfk, but I bnhinvn it wfs ik
0 gi``hn, hftn Lukn. Gfybn fs gumo fs nfrhy Luhy.
> Ponrn wfs f pnria` ae tign bntwnnk ton eirst
5 makvnrsftiak fk` ton nxnmutiak ae ton rntnktiak
3 hnttnr, fk` I erfkdhy mfk't rnmfhh oaw hakc toft wfs.
? V. @a yau ofvn f mapy ae ton rntnktiak hnttnr1
9 F. Ik gy eihns ik Fsonvihhn, yns.
6: V. Fk` `i` ton rntnktiak hnttnr gnktiak oaw
66 gumo yau wauh` mofrcn oig1
62 F. Yns, it `i`.
6= V. @i` it gnktiak woft wfs ton --
60 Oaw gumo wnrn yau caikc ta mofrcn oig1
6> F. Snhh, I snt aut ik gy eirst -- snmak`
65 makvnrsftiak wito Gr. ]tnikbnrc toft I mofrcn 23> fk
63 oaur, $22:: f `fy ear ward toft I `a ik gy aeeimn, ar
6? $=,::: f `fy ear ward toft I `a ak sitn.
69 Fk` ak sitn ik tois mirmugstfkmn wauh`
2: ikmhu`n toikcs hidn maurt `ftns fk` `npasitiak. I
26 `ak't trfvnh -- I `ak't mofrcn ear trfvnh `fys.
22 V. Kaw, `i` yau -- `i` yau -- wfs tonrn fky
2= gfxigug fgaukt `imtftn` ik yaur rntnktiak hnttnr1
20 F. Ka, I `ak't bnhinvn sa.
2> V. @i` yau -- wonk yau `ismussn` it wito
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==
6 Gr. ]tnikbnrc, `i` yau tnhh oig oaw gumo yau toaucot
2 ton tatfh bihh wauh` bn1
= F. Ka.
0 V. @i` on fsd1
> F. I `ak't bnhinvn sa.
5 V. Fhh ricot. Soft's ton knxt maktfmt yau of`
3 wito fkyba`y erag Gr. ]tnikbnrc's hfw eirg1
? F. I bncfk ta rnmnivn sagn bfsim `amugnkts
9 surrauk`ikc ton hfwsuit erag akn ae Gr. ]tnikbnrc's
6: pfrfhncfhs. I rnmnivn` --
66 V. Kaw, `i` yau civn Gr. ]tnikbnrc f hist ae
62 woft yau wauh` hidn ta snn makmnrkikc ton hfwsuit1
6= F. I `i` kat civn Gr. ]tnikbnrc f hist. On
60 fsdn` gn woft I nssnktifhhy knn`n` ta cnt stfrtn`.
6> Fk` ft toft paikt I fsdn` ta snn ton
65 magphfikt, ton fkswnr ta ton magphfikt, ton
63 BurkHaukcn magpnksftiak pfmdfcns, fk`
6? @r. Ufk`nr Kft's `nmhfrftiaks.
69 V. Yau gnktiakn` ton magphfikt fk` ton fkswnr
2: ta ton magphfikt. ]a toft wfs snkt ta yau1
26 F. Yns.
22 V. Fk` @r. Ufk`nr Kft's `nmhfrftiaks. Soimo
2= `nmhfrftiaks wnrn ikitifhhy snkt ta yau1
20 F. I bnhinvn ton eirst tornn ar eaur toft on
2> eihn`. I bnhinvn tonrn's eivn fhtacntonr, eivn
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=0
6 `amugnkts.
2 V. Ynfo.
= F. Fk` I cat ton hfst akn garn rnmnkthy.
0 V. Sonk yau sfy "garn rnmnkthy," woft --
> F. Pwa wnnds fca.
5 V. Kaw, yau gnktiakn` yau wnrn snkt f mapy ae
3 ton magpnksftiak phfk1
? F. Marrnmt.
9 V. Oaw gfky `ieenrnkt phfks `i` yau haad ft1
6: F. Pwa.
66 V. Fk` woft -- `a yau rnmfhh ton `ftns ak ton
62 phfks1
6= F. Yns -- wnhh, raucohy. Pon gast rnmnkt phfk
60 wnkt ikta neenmt ik Fprih, I bnhinvn, ae ':5 -- ':3.
6> Fk` tonk ton phfk bnearn toft mfgn ik ik ':5. It wfs
65 ton ':5 fk` ':3 phfks.
63 V. ]a `a yau rngngbnr wonk ik ':51
6? F. I `a kat ft ton gagnkt.
69 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< @fvn, wn cfvn oig ton akn
2: rnenrnkmn ik @r. Ufk`nr Kft's `nmhfrftiak.
26 GR. EI_< Adfy.
22 BY GR. EI_ F. I rnmnivn` ton `nmhfrftiak ae Dnvik Crigns
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Ear Pon Rnmar`, Ikm.(=:6) ?3:-?:2> - www.etrikm.knt - (?::) 926->>>>
=>
6 fk` I rnmnivn` ton `nmhfrftiak ae Rab @nBanr fk` I
2 rnmnivn` snvnrfh atonr rnhftn` `amugnkts.
= V. Oaw hakc wfs ton -- oaw hakc f `nmhfrftiak
0 wfs ton `nmhfrftiak ae Rab @nBanr1
> F. I mfk't rngngbnr ton prnmisn pfcn maukt, but
5 it wfs kugnraus pfcns.
3 V. Sfs it f `nmhfrftiak, ar wfs it f
? `npasitiak1
9 F. I bnhinvn toft it wfs f -- it gfy ofvn bnnk
6: f trfksmriptiak ae f `npasitiak, but I'g kat -- I'g
66 kat -- hnt gn ca haad ft gy katns onrn.
62 It's f `nmhfrftiak.
6= V. @a yau dkaw woft ton `ftn ae ton `nmhfrftiak
60 wfs1
6> F. I `a kat rnmfhh.
65 V. @a yau ofvn it wito yau1
63 F. I `a kat.
6? GR. ]PNIKBNRC< I toikd Gr. Humn is
69 gistfdnk. I ofvn knvnr snnk f @nBanr
2: `nmhfrftiak.
26 GR. EI_< I ofvnk't nitonr. Poft's ton
22 rnfsak I'g fsdikc.
2= PON SIPKN]]< Ponk I gfy ofvn bnnk makeusn`.
20 It gfy ofvn bnnk f trfksmript ae f `npasitiak. I
2> dkaw toft --
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=5
6 BY GR. EI_ I rnenrrn` ta it fs `nmhfrftiak ak gy nxpnrt
5 rnpart, sa I gfy ofvn bnnk gistfdnk.
3 V. Fk` `i` yau rnf` toft `npasitiak trfksmript1
? F. I `i` ft ton tign, yns.
9 V. @i` yau nvnr rnmnivn -- `i` yau nvnr rnmnivn
6: fky atonr ikeargftiak1
66 F. I rnmnivn` sagn `amugnkts rnhftikc ta
62 vfriaus rnmnipts toft ton magpfky mapin`, wito
6= `amugnkts ae rnmnipts ton magpfky of` spnkt ik
60 `nvnhapikc tonir tnmokahacy fk` tonir pra`umt hikn,
6> fk` I rnmnivn` garn rnmnkthy f sprnf`sonnt ikvahvikc
65 ton pfrtimipftiak ae ton vfriaus pnaphn ikvahvn` ik
63 ton BurkHaukcn gfrdntikc pracrfg.
6? V. Is tonrn fkytoikc nhsn yau rnmnivn`1
69 F. Pon En`nrfh Prf`n Maggissiak f`visary
2: apikiak ak pyrfgi` smongn fkfhysis erag Lfkufry 2::0
26 toft wfs snkt ta ton @irnmt ]nhhikc Fssamiftiak.
22 V. Fkytoikc nhsn1
2= F. I ofvn rnmnivn` atonr `amugnkts, gast ae
20 woimo I `i` kat usn ik gy fkfhysis fk` mfkkat
2> rngngbnr ft tois tign nxfmthy woft tony frn.
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=3
6 V. ]a tonrn frn ka atonr `amugnkts yau usn` ik
2 yaur fkfhysis atonr tofk ton akns toft yau'vn histn`1
= F. Marrnmt.
0 V. ]a yau knvnr rnmnivn` fky nxoibits toft wnrn
> subgittn` fhakc wito ton En`nrfh Prf`n Maggissiak's
5 fpphimftiak ear f tngparfry rnstrfikikc ar`nr1
3 F. I bnhinvn I `i` rnmnivn sagn `amugnkts ik
? suppart ae toft fpphimftiak. Pony -- I `ak't rnmfhh
9 ft tois paikt nxfmthy toft tony wnrn. Sonk I
6: ikitifhhy rnvinwn` ton `amugnkts, I pimdn` toasn
66 `amugnkts toft snngn` pnrtiknkt ta woft I wfs fsdn`
62 ta f``rnss.
6= V. ]a yau `i`k't rnhy upak fky ae ton nxoibits
60 toft wnrn subgittn` ik rnspaksn ar fhakc wito ton
6> tngparfry -- rnqunst ear tngparfry rnstrfikikc ar`nr1
65 F. Ka.
63 V. Fk` ton akhy `amugnkts yau rnhin` upak frn
6? toasn toft yau hist ik yaur nxpnrt rnpart1
69 F. Yns.
2: V. Kaw, yau gnktiakn` yau rnmnkthy rnmnivn` f
26 sprnf`sonnt.
22 F. Yns, witoik ton hfst snvnrfh wnnds.
2= V. Mfk yau rnmfhh, ton hfst twa wnnds1 Hfst
20 tornn wnnds1
2> F. I toikd it wfs ik ton hfst twa wnnds, but I
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=?
6 mfk't bn prnmisnhy surn. It mfgn woihn I wfs
2 trfvnhikc. ]a wonk I cat oagn, it wfs tonrn.
= V. Ofvn yau haadn` ft it1
0 F. I haadn` ft it hakc nkauco ta i`nktiey woft
> it wfs, fk` katoikc bnyak` toft.
5 V. Ofvn yau trin` ta nxfgikn ton kugbnrs ar
3 stu`in` ton kugbnrs ar fkfhyzn` ton kugbnrs1
? F. Ka.
9 V. ]a ofvn yau haadn` ft fkytoikc atonr tofk
6: ton eirst pfcn1
66 F. Ka.
62 V. Oaw gumo tign `i` yau spnk` haadikc ft it1
6= F. Pon gast rnmnkt `amugnkt1
60 V. Ynfo.
6> F. F gikutn, gfybn twa.
65 V. Kaw, fetnr yau rnmnivn` tonsn gftnrifhs,
63 woft's ton knxt toikc yau `i` ik prnpfrftiak ae ton
6? nxpnrt rnpart, ta prnpfrn ton nxpnrt rnpart1
69 F. Snhh, I wnkt torauco ton magphfikt, I wnkt
2: torauco ton fpphimftiak ear ton tngparfry rnstrfikikc
26 ar`nr, I wnkt torauco ton `nenksn, ikmhu`ikc ton
22 `nmhfrftiak ae Dnvik Crigns. I tonk wnkt torauco
2= nfmo ae @r. Ufk`nr Kft's `nmhfrftiaks toft I of` ft
20 toft paikt ik tign. Fk` I -- wonk I rnmnivn` it, I
2> rnf` ton trfksmript ar gftnrifh rnhftikc ta Rab
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=9
6 @nBanr.
2 V. @i` yau rnmnivn ton trfksmript ae Rab @nBanr
= bnearn yau prnpfrn` yaur nxpnrt rnpart1
0 F. Yns.
> V. Sonk `i` yau prnpfrn yaur nxpnrt rnpart1
5 F. I subgittn` ton nxpnrt rnpart ak ton 2>to ae
3 ]nptngbnr, fk` ton `rfetikc ae it taad phfmn ik ton
? pnria` ae twa ar tornn `fys bnearn toft.
9 V. ]a yau wauh` ofvn -- `urikc woft pnria` ae
6: tign `i` yau ward ak ton nxpnrt rnpart1
66 F. I rnvinwn` gftnrifhs fs I rnmnivn` tong.
62 But tonk wonk I sft `awk ta prnpfrn ton nxpnrt
6= rnpart, I wnkt bfmd torauco fk` rnf` ton gftnrifhs
60 toft I toaucot wnrn gast mritimfh ta gy fkfhysis.
6> Fk` toft wauh` ofvn bnnk ik ton pnria` bntwnnk ton
65 2:to fk` ton 2>to ae @nmngbnr -- ]nptngbnr.
63 V. Fk` sa yau eikison` prnpfrikc ton nxpnrt
6? rnpart ak ton 2>to ae @nmngbnr1
69 F. ]nptngbnr. Fk` it wfs prabfbhy ton kicot
2: bnearn.
26 V. Kaw, fetnr yau prnpfrn` ton nxpnrt rnpart,
22 `i` yau snk` it ta Gr. ]tnikbnrc1
2= F. Yns.
20 V. Fk` bnearn yau -- woihn yau wnrn prnpfrikc
2> ton nxpnrt rnpart, `i` yau tfhd ta oig fbaut woft yau
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0:
6 wnrn prnpfrikc1
2 F. Sn of` akn makvnrsftiak ae f cnknrfh kfturn
= toft rnhftn` ta ton pfrfgntnrs ae ton rnpart fk` ton
0 smapn ae woft tony wnrn fsdikc gn ta `ismuss.
> V. Fk` wonk wfs toft1
5 F. I mfkkat rngngbnr ton nxfmt `ftn, but it wfs
3 priar ta gy prnpfrftiak ae ton rnpart.
? V. Sfs it ik nfrhy ]nptngbnr1
9 F. It wauh` ofvn bnnk ik prabfbhy ton gi``hn ae
6: ]nptngbnr. But, fcfik, I'` ofvn ta monmd gy mfhnk`fr
66 ear ton nxfmt `ftn.
62 V. Fk` atonr tofk toft akn makvnrsftiak, yau
6= of` ka atonr makvnrsftiaks wito Gr. ]tnikbnrc
60 rnhftikc ta prnpfrftiak ae ton rnpart1
6> F. I bnhinvn it wfs akn. Ponrn gfy ofvn bnnk
65 twa, but I bnhinvn it wfs akn.
63 V. Fk` woft `i` on tnhh yau on wfktn` yau ta
6? apikn ak1
69 F. Bfsimfhhy ton -- ta uk`nrstfk` fk` bn fbhn
2: ta nxphfik ton bikfry magpnksftiak phfk fk` ta
26 f``rnss wontonr ton phfk wfs -- mrnftn` fk ihhncfh ar
22 ukfmmnptfbhn prfmtimn.
2= V. ]a it wfs ta `ntnrgikn wontonr ar kat ton
20 phfk wfs ikonrnkthy ihhncfh ar ikonrnkthy
2> ukfmmnptfbhn1
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06
6 F. Yns.
2 V. It wfsk't rnfhhy ta `ntnrgikn wontonr ar kat
= fs ik prfmtimn, fs igphngnktn` ik prfmtimn, it wfs
0 hfweuh ar kat1
> F. Poft's marrnmt. I'g kat surn oaw yau `ivi`n
5 bntwnnk ton twa.
3 V. Kaw, fetnr yau subgittn` ton rnpart, woft is
? ton knxt -- woft's ton knxt toikc yau `i` wito rncfr`
9 ta BurkHaukcn1
6: F. I toikd snk` tong fk ikvaimn ear gy
66 snrvimns.
62 V. Fk` oaw gumo wfs ton ikvaimn ear1
6= F. I toikd fhtacntonr it wfs 9,::: fk` mofkcn.
60 I `ak't rngngbnr ton nxfmt kugbnr.
6> V. Fk` fetnr Gr. ]tnikbnrc rnmnivn` ton rnpart,
65 `i` on -- `i` yau `a fky eurtonr ward ak ton rnpart1
63 F. Ka.
6? V. Kaw, bnearn yau prnpfrn` ton rnpart, `i` yau
69 rnvinw fky ae ton eikfkmifh rnmar`s ae BurkHaukcn1
2: F. I rnvinwn` ton `ftf snkt ta gn rnhftikc ta
26 ton nxpnk`iturns BurkHaukcn of` gf`n ear nquipgnkt,
22 saetwfrn, ricots fk` himnksns ta gusim, mast ae ton
2= pra`umts, toikcs ae toft kfturn, yns.
20 V. Atonr tofk toft, `i` yau rnvinw fky ae ton
2> eikfkmifh ikeargftiak ae BurkHaukcn atonr tofk tonsn
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02
6 ikvaimns --
2 F. Ka.
= V. -- yau lust rnenrnkmn`1
0 F. Ka.
> V. Yaur fkswnr is ka1
5 F. Ka.
3 V. @i` yau rnvinw fky rnmar`s makmnrkikc ton
? fgaukt ae `icitfh gusim BurkHaukcn sah`1
9 F. Kat ear prnpfrikc ton rnpart, ka.
6: V. @i` yau rnvinw fky ikeargftiak makmnrkikc
66 ton fgaukt ae bakus fk` maggissiaks BurkHaukcn pfi`1
62 F. Akhy toft woimo wfs maktfikn` ik
6= @r. Ufk`nr Kft's `nmhfrftiaks.
60 V. ]a yau of` ka rnfsak ta -- yau ofvn ka atonr
6> dkawhn`cn ae ton --
65 F. Nxmusn gn1
63 V. Yau ofvn ka atonr dkawhn`cn ae ton bakusns
6? fk` maggissiaks toft wfs pfi`1
69 F. Marrnmt.
2: V. @i` yau nvnr rnvinw fky `amugnktftiak
26 makmnrkikc oaw gfky pfrtimipfkts ik ton BurkHaukcn
22 magpnksftiak phfk rnmnivn`, ik bakusns fk`
2= maggissiaks, hnss tofk tony pfi` ta pfrtimipftn ik
20 ton phfk1
2> F. Akhy --
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Ear Pon Rnmar`, Ikm.(=:6) ?3:-?:2> - www.etrikm.knt - (?::) 926->>>>
0=
6 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Ablnmtiak, hfmds eauk`ftiak.
2 Ponrn's bnnk ka tnstigaky toft fkyba`y pfi`
= fkytoikc ta pfrtimipftn ik ton phfk. Fk` I `ak't
0 toikd Gr. Humn ofs --
> GR. EI_< Hnt gn wito`rfw ton qunstiak.
5 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Hnt gn eikiso gy ablnmtiak,
3 phnfsn.
? GR. EI_< I'hh wito`rfw ton qunstiak fk` fsd
9 fkatonr akn.
6: GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Pofkd yau. Fk` I `ak't
66 toikd Gr. Humn ofs sa tnstiein`.
62 GR. EI_< Ka, I'g kat sfyikc on `i`.
6= GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Adfy. Pofkd yau.
60 BY GR. EI_ V. I'g fsdikc, `i` yau rnvinw fky `amugnkts
65 makmnrkikc ton fgaukt ae gakny pfrtimipfkts rnmnivn`
63 ik bakusns fk` maggissiaks1
6? F. Akhy toft ikeargftiak maktfikn` ik ton
69 `nmhfrftiaks ae @r. Ufk`nr Kft4 fk` Dnvik Crigns's
2: `nmhfrftiak, I bnhinvn, fhsa gnktiakn` toft.
26 V. @i` yau rnvinw fky ikeargftiak makmnrkikc
22 wontonr ar kat pfrtimipfkts hast gakny ik ton phfk1
2= GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Ablnmtiak. Ufcun fk`
20 fgbicuaus. Hfmds eauk`ftiak.
2> Yau mfk fkswnr.
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6 BY GR. EI_ F. Ynp.
65 V. -- `nmhfrftiak1
63 F. Yns, I fg.
6? V. @i` yau nvnr rnvinw fky ngpirimfh `ftf ta
69 `ntnrgikn wontonr ar kat ois pralnmtiaks wnrn, ik
2: efmt, trun1
26 F. Ka, I `i` kat.
22 V. @i` yau nvnr fsd ta rnvinw toft ikeargftiak1
2= F. Ka, I `i` kat.
20 V. Ik f``itiak ta rnvinw ae tonsn `amugnkts yau
2> lust tnstiein` fbaut, is tonrn fkytoikc nhsn yau `i`
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0>
6 ta hnfrk fbaut BurkHaukcn bnearn yau prnpfrn` yaur
2 rnpart1
= F. I `i` sagn pnrsakfh haadikc frauk` ton
0 iktnrknt ear gusim-rnhftn` snrvimns fk` pra`umts.
> V. Fk` woft `i` yau eik`1
5 F. Poft tonrn frn hats ae gusimfh-rnhftn`
3 snrvimns fk` pra`umts fk` pra`umt pfmdfcns fvfihfbhn
? ik ton gfrdntphfmn.
9 V. Sonk `i` yau `a tois1
6: F. It wauh` ofvn bnnk ik ton pnria` ae
66 ]nptngbnr, priar ta prnpfrikc gy rnpart fk` fs pfrt
62 ae tryikc ta efgihifrizn gysnhe wito ton
6= gusim ik`ustry.
60 V. Is tonrn fkytoikc nhsn yau `i`1
6> F. Ka.
65 V. @i` yau iktnrvinw fkyba`y --
63 F. Ka.
6? V. -- makknmtn` wito BurkHaukcn1
69 F. Ka.
2: V. Yau gnktiakn` toft yau rnf` ton `nmhfrftiak
26 ae Dnvik Crigns. @i` yau tfhd ta Gr. Crigns1
22 F. Ka.
2= V. @a yau dkaw Gr. Crigns1
20 F. I `a.
2> V. Fk` oaw `a yau dkaw oig1
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05
6 F. Erag ois fttnk`fkmn ft @irnmt ]nhhikc
2 Fssamiftiak gnntikcs fk` erag situftiaks ik ton pfst
= wonrn I of` rnenrrn` mhinkts ta oig fk` nvnk eurtonr
0 bfmd tofk toft wonk on wfs mauksnh ear f gngbnr
> magpfky by ton kfgn ae Gfhumf (poakntim), wonk on wfs
5 ik-oausn mauksnh.
3 V. ]a yau'vn dkawk oig f hakc tign1
? F. Hakc tign.
9 V. Fk` on's f hfw pfrtknr ae Gr. Rnnsn's4 is
6: toft marrnmt1
66 F. Yns.
62 V. Kaw, hnt gn ca bfmd ta yaur nxpnrt rnpart.
6= Ak ton vnry eirst pfcn yau stftn yau wnrn
60 rntfikn` ak ton eahhawikc issuns< Pon `nsick fk`
6> mofrfmtnristims ae ton BurkHaukcn, Ikm. bikfry
65 magpnksftiak phfk4 is toft marrnmt1
63 F. Marrnmt.
6? V. Fk` ton snmak` toikc yau wnrn ta `ntnrgikn
69 is wontonr ton `nsick ae ton magpnksftiak phfk
2: pragatns mak`umt fgauktikc ta fk ihhncfh pyrfgi`
26 fmtivity.
22 F. Yns.
2= V. Soft, ik yaur gik`, is fk ihhncfh pyrfgi`1
20 F. Fk ihhncfh pyrfgi` is akn wonrn tonrn is ka
2> vfhun ta ton pra`umt ar -- trun vfhun ik ton
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6 gfrdntphfmn ta ton pra`umt ar snrvimn toft's bnikc
2 purmofsn` by ton pfrtimipfkts ik ton pyrfgi`, fk`
= toft ton purmofsn ae toft vfhunhnss itng fmtufhhy
0 euk`s ton smongn itsnhe.
> V. Fk` `a yau dkaw wonrn -- woft's ton bfsis
5 ear yaur `neikitiak1
3 Sonrn `a yau magn up wito toft `neikitiak1
? F. Earty ynfrs ae nxpnrinkmn fs f `irnmt snhhnr
9 ik tois gfrdntphfmn.
6: V. Is it bfsn` upak fky hncfh fkfhysis1
66 F. It's bfsn` upak f prfmtimfh fkfhysis ae woft
62 `ieenrnktiftns f pyrfgi` erag f hncitigftn `irnmt
6= sfhns appartukity. Yau ofvn atonr typns ae trf`n
60 prfmtimn issuns4 but wonk yau magn `awk ta f
6> euk`fgnktfh pyrfgi`, ik gy vinw it mirmuhftns frauk`
65 ikfpprapriftn ikvnktary haf`ikc.
63 V. ]a ton dny ak wontonr ar kat it's f pyrfgi`
6? is wontonr ar kat tonrn's ikvnktary haf`ikc1
69 F. It's akn ae ton prigfry eamusns ae ton
2: fkti-pyrfgi` hncishftiak, ik gy vinw.
26 V. But isk't it passibhn ta ofvn f pyrfgi`
22 wonrn yau `ak't ofvn fky ikvnktary1
2= F. Yns, it is passibhn.
20 V. ]a lust bnmfusn yau `ak't ofvn fky ikvnktary
2> haf`ikc isk't `ispasitivn ae wontonr ar kat it's f
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0?
6 pyrfgi`, is it1
2 F. Ka.
= V. Fk` is it passibhn ik yaur vinw ae ukhfweuh
0 pyrfgi` fmtivity ta ofvn fk ukhfweuh pyrfgi` ie ton
> pra`umts ofvn sagn vfhun1
5 F. I'g sarry1 Sauh` yau rnpnft ton qunstiak,
3 phnfsn1
? (Rnmar` rnf` by ton rnpartnr.)
9 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Cfry, frn yau sftisein` yau
6: ofvn ton qunstiak war`n` ton wfy yau wfkt it, ar
66 `a yau wfkt ta try it fcfik1
62 GR. EI_< ]nn ie on mfk fkswnr. Fk` ie kat,
6= I'hh try fcfik.
60 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Poft's eikn.
6> PON SIPKN]]< Yns, it is passibhn ta ofvn fk
65 ihhncfh pyrfgi` wonk tonrn frn pra`umts toft ofvn
63 vfhun prnsnkt.
6? BY GR. EI_ vfhun ik ton gfrdntphfmn fs pra`umts.
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09
6 V. Fk` woft `a yau gnfk by "vfhun ik ton
2 gfrdntphfmn fs pra`umts"1
= F. Poft tony frn f rnfsakfbhy-primn` pra`umt ae
0 f sigihfr sart ar kfturn toft is atonrwisn fvfihfbhn
> ik ton gfrdntphfmn torauco atonr magpntitars.
5 V. @a ton pra`umts ofvn ta bn garn ar hnss
3 i`nktimfh ta ton sigihfrhy-primn` pra`umts1
? F. Ka.
9 V. Frn yau nvnr makmnrkn` fbaut oaw gumo f
6: pra`umt is gfrdn` up avnr ton fmquisitiak mast1
66 F. Ka.
62 V. ]a ie f pra`umt -- ie I baucot f onrbfh
6= gn`imikn ear eivn `ahhfrs fk` sah` it ear $6::, tois
60 wauh`k't bn traubhikc ik yaur fkfhysis1
6> F. Ie ton gfrdntphfmn ear toft gn`imikn ae
65 sigihfr qufhity fk` qufktity wfs sagnwonrn bntwnnk
63 ?: fk` $62:, I wauh`k't bn batonrn` ft fhh. Zraeits
6? ofvn katoikc ta `a wito ton pyrfgi`.
69 V. Fk` ton fgaukt ae gfrd-up, ik yaur apikiak,
2: ofs katoikc ta `a wito ton pyrfgi`1
26 F. Ka.
22 V. Soft atonr efmtar, ik f``itiak ta ton vfhun,
2= `a yau haad ft ik `ntnrgikikc wontonr f guhti-hnvnh
20 gfrdntikc magpfky is f pyrfgi`1
2> F. Snrn tonrn atonr `nmnptivn prfmtimns
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>:
6 ikvahvn`.
2 V. Fk` woft `a yau ofvn ik gik` ik tois -- woft
= atonr typn ae `nmnptivn prfmtimns1
0 F. Sfs tonrn erfu` ikvahvn`, wfs tonrn
> gisrnprnsnktftiak ikvahvn`.
5 V. Mfk yau `nsmribn woft typn ae erfu` yau
3 wauh` haad ft1
? F. I wauh` haad ft frnfs surrauk`ikc ton sfhn
9 ae ton pra`umt itsnhe.
6: V. Mfk yau bn f hitthn garn `ntfihn` woft --
66 F. @i` tony gisstftn ton vfhun ae ton pra`umt,
62 `i` tony avnrstftn ton vfhun ae ton pra`umt, `i` tony
6= gfdn f pra`umt mhfig ear ton pra`umt toft ton pra`umt
60 mfkkat euheihh.
6> V. I cunss gy qunstiak is< Oaw is tois
65 rnhnvfkt ta ton qunstiak ae wontonr ar kat it's fk
63 ihhncfh pyrfgi`1
6? F. Bnmfusn tony usufhhy ca tacntonr.
69 V. But tony mfk bn snpfrftn1 I gnfk --
2: F. But tony mfk bn snpfrftn.
26 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Gr. Humn, phnfsn hnt Gr. Eix
22 eikiso ois qunstiak. Sn'hh ofvn f garn mhnfr
2= trfksmript.
20 BY GR. EI_ V. Soft nhsn `a yau -- ak ton
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>6
6 gisrnprnsnktftiaks, frn yau nvnr makmnrkn` fbaut
2 wontonr ar kat ton fgaukt ae gakny toft f pfrtimipfkt
= ik ton guhti-hnvnh gfrdntikc mfk gfdn, patnktifhhy
0 gfdn, is gisstftn`1
> Is toft sagntoikc toft is rnhnvfkt ta yaur
5 maksi`nrftiak1
3 F. Poft mfk bn fkatonr earg ae `nmnptivn
? prfmtimn.
9 V. Is tois, ik yaur nxpnrinkmn, f efirhy maggak
6: earg ae `nmnptivn prfmtimns ik pyrfgi`s1
66 F. It's f efirhy maggakhy-fhhncn` earg ae
62 `nmnptivn prfmtimn sagntigns rnhftn` ta pyrfgi`s,
6= sagntigns kat.
60 V. Soft nhsn wauh` yau haad ft ta `ntnrgikn
6> wontonr ar kat f guhti-hnvnh gfrdntikc magpfky wfs f
65 pyrfgi`1
63 F. Pon euk`fgnktfh issun is wontonr ar kat
6? tonrn is f vifbhn pra`umt ear sfhn toft is bnikc
69 purmofsn` fk` maksugn` by nk` usnrs.
2: V. Is tonrn fkytoikc nhsn1
26 F. Poft's ton prigfry issun ik gy fkfhysis.
22 V. @a yau dkaw fkyba`y nhsn woa f`apts yaur
2= fkfhytimfh erfgnward1
20 F. I toikd gast `irnmt snhhnrs f`apt gy
2> fkfhysis ta f mnrtfik nxtnkt.
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6 Fcfik, ton euk`fgnktfh issun ae woimo ton
2 pyrfgi`ikc mfsns wnrn buiht wfs buiht frauk`
= ikvnktary-haf`ikc issuns fk` itngs ae ka rnfh
0 gfrdntphfmn vfhun.
> V. Fk` wauh` yaur pasitiak bn, ik yaur bnhine,
5 maksistnkt wito ton pasitiak ae ton @irnmt ]nhhikc
3 Fssamiftiak1
? F. Yns, I bnhinvn sa.
9 V. Ik f``itiak ta ton @irnmt ]nhhikc
6: Fssamiftiak, is tonrn fkyba`y nhsn woa -- fk` atonr
66 gngbnrs ae ton `irnmt snhhikc maggukity, is tonrn
62 fkyakn nhsn woa wauh` f`apt yaur pasitiak ae woft is
6= f pyrfgi`1
60 F. Yau ofvn f kugbnr ae stftn fkti-pyrfgi`ikc
6> stftutns toft frn buiht euk`fgnktfhhy frauk` toft
65 prngisn.
63 V. Mfk yau tnhh gn woimo stftn stftutns tonsn
6? frn1
69 F. Kat aee ton tap ae gy onf`.
2: V. Is akn ae tong ^tfo1
26 F. Ka -- wnhh, I mfk't rnmfhh ton ^tfo stftutn.
22 I toikd it's bnnk fgnk`n` sikmn I hfst haadn` ft it.
2= V. Is akn ae tong Pnxfs1
20 F. Ka.
2> V. Frn tonsn ton stftn stftutns toft frn
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6 rnenrnkmn` ik yaur nxpnrt rnpart wonk yau mitn, ak
2 pfcn ?, wonk yau mitn Gr. Dnvik Crigns1
= F. Gr. Crigns mitn`, I bnhinvn, snvnk stftutns
0 toft ofvn tfdnk ton pasitiak toft iktnrkfh
> maksugptiak is hncitigftn.
5 V. Fk` frn tonsn ton sfgn stftutns --
3 F. Fgakc ton sfgn stftutns, yns. But tonrn frn
? knfrhy 2: stftns toft ofvn fkti-pyrfgi`ikc stftutns.
9 V. Fk` is it yaur pasitiak toft fhh 2: stftns
6: wauh` f`apt ton sfgn fkfhysis toft yau `a1
66 F. Ka.
62 V. Soimo stftns wauh`k't1
6= F. Aee ton tap ae gy onf`, I mfk't rnmfhh, sir.
60 I ofvnk't prfmtimn` hfw sikmn 699:.
6> V. Mfk yau rnmfhh woimo stftns wauh` fcrnn wito
65 yaur pasitiak1
63 F. Kat aee ton tap ae gy onf`.
6? V. @a yau dkaw ie ton En`nrfh Prf`n Maggissiak
69 fcrnns wito yaur pasitiak1
2: F. Pon En`nrfh Prf`n Maggissiak `ans kat fcrnn
26 wito gy pasitiak.
22 V. @a yau dkaw ie ton Kikto Mirmuit Maurt ae
2= Fppnfhs fcrnns wito yaur pasitiak1
20 F. I `ak't dkaw.
2> V. But yau'rn kat -- hnt gn wito`rfw toft.
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>0
6 Kaw, yau stftn ak pfcn > ae yaur nxpnrt
2 rnpart, ton snmak` euhh pfrfcrfpo --
= GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Nxmusn gn, @fvi`. Frn yau
0 usikc ton pfcn kugbnrs ak ton tap ae ton efx
> hncnk` ar ton battag ae ton pfcn1
5 GR. EI_< I'g tryikc ta usn ton akns ak ton
3 battag.
? GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Adfy.
9 GR. EI_< It's pfcn >. I'g sarry. It's
6: pfcn >.
66 BY GR. EI_ rnhyikc upak1
65 F. Ka, toft's kat marrnmt. Abviaushy wn
63 eahhawn` ton nfrhy mfsns fk` ton nfrhy rncuhftary
6? hncishftivn neearts ta murb ton fbusivn prfmtimns ae
69 pyrfgi`ikc fs pfrt ae aur rnspaksibihitins fs mauksnh
2: ear ton fssamiftiak.
26 Sn fhsa wnrn ikvahvn` ik ton `nvnhapgnkt,
22 bato pra fk` mak, ae vfriaus fkti-pyrfgi`ikc
2= prapasfhs ft ton stftn hnvnh.
20 V. Pois is ik ton pnria` 6932 ta '351
2> F. Yns.
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6 V. Fk` tonk woft -- erag '35 ak woft --
2 uktih -- yau gnktiakn` -- yau gnktiakn` erag '?9 ta
= '96 --
0 F. Snhh --
> V. -- yau of` sagn --
5 F. -- erag ton pnria` ae '35 ta 699:, I wfs
3 cnknrfh mauksnh ae Puppnrwfrn Oagn Zfrtins, f `irnmt
? snhhikc magpfky apnrftikc witoik ton ^kitn` ]tftns.
9 Fk` fs pfrt ae gy rnspaksibihitins I knn`n` ta bn
6: efgihifr wito ton fspnmts ae pyrfgi`ikc erag bato f
66 rncuhftary fk` f hncfh magphifkmn paikt ae vinw.
62 Ik 69?9 I uk`nrtaad ton tfsd ak bnofhe ae
6= ton fssamiftiak ae fgnk`ikc ton @irnmt ]nhhikc
60 Fssamiftiak Ma`n ae Ntoims ta ikmarparftn ikta it
6> pravisiaks toft -- ta appasn ikvnktary haf`ikc fk`
65 nxfccnrftn` nfrkikcs mhfigs.
63 V. Poft wfs ik 69?91
6? F. Snhh, it taad twa ynfrs ta rnvinw ton
69 gftnrifhs fk` `nvnhap ton fgnk`gnkts toft wnrn
2: uhtigftnhy pfssn` by ton bafr` `irnmtars fk`
26 ikmarparftn` ik ton ma`n.
22 V. Kaw, `urikc ton tign yau wnrn wito
2= Puppnrwfrn, tonrn's ka pyrfgi` makmnrks ae Puppnrwfrn
20 wfs tonrn1 It wfs -- it wfsk't f guhti-hnvnh
2> gfrdntikc magpfky1
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6 F. Ka. But gfky ae ton nfrhy -- wnhh, ka, ton
2 fkswnr is ka.
= V. ]a yau wnrnk't makmnrkn` wito Puppnrwfrn
0 bnikc f pyrfgi`1
> F. Ka, but I wfs vnry makmnrkn` wito
5 avnrrnfmoikc rncuhftiaks toft wauh` igprapnrhy `neikn
3 woft wfs ar wfs kat fk ukhfweuh fmtivity.
? V. Fk` yau wfktn` ta gfdn surn it `i`k't -- fky
9 hncishftiak `i`k't igpfmt Puppnrwfrn1
6: F. @i`k't f`vnrsnhy igpfmt Puppnrwfrn, toft's
66 marrnmt.
62 V. @a yau dkaw oaw @irnmt ]nhhikc Fssamiftiak
6= igphngnkts its ma`n ae ntoims, oaw tony -- ar woft
60 pahimins fk` pramn`urns tony ofvn f`aptn` ta gfdn
6> surn toft ton -- tonir gngbnrs magphy wito it1
65 F. Yns. I ofvn f cnknrfh efgihifrity, fk` it's
63 bnnk f maksistnkt pracrfg sikmn ton ma`n's ikmnptiak
6? ik 695?. Nvnry gngbnr magpfky, wonk tony frn
69 fmmnptn` ear gngbnrsoip ik ton trf`n fssamiftiak, fs
2: pfrt ae tonir fpphimftiak pramnss phn`cns ta kat akhy
26 f`apt but ta upoah` ton pravisiaks ae ton ma`n ae
22 ntoims rnhftivn ta ton prfmtimns toft frn `nsmribn`
2= tonrnik.
20 Ponrn is fk ik`npnk`nkt ma`n f`gikistrftar
2> fppaiktn` nfmo ynfr by ton bafr` `irnmtars woa
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6 f`lu`imftns fky ma`n magphfikts toft magn ik erag
2 maksugnrs ar einh` sfhns rnprnsnktftivns, gngbnrs ae
= ton vfriaus einh` sfhns ik`npnk`nkt maktrfmtars,
0 sfhns pnaphn ae ton vfriaus magpfkins, rnhftikc ta
> ma`n viahftiaks.
5 V. @a yau dkaw ie fky magpfky ofs nvnr bnnk
3 `ismiphikn` ear viahftiak ae ton @]F Ma`n ae Ntoims
? fs it rnhftns ta apnrftiak ae f pyrfgi` smongn1
9 F. Yns.
6: V. Soa1
66 F. Ik -- wnhh, `npnk`s ak oaw yau `neikn
62 `ismiphikn. Pon uhtigftn is nxpuhsiak erag ton
6= gngbnrsoip.
60 V. Ofs fkyba`y nvnr bnnk nxpnhhn` ar nxpuhhn`1
6> F. Ka, but --
65 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Kat nxpnhhn` kar nxpuhhn`.
63 GR. EI_< Mhasn nkauco.
6? PON SIPKN]]< It's nxpuhsiak erag ton
69 gngbnrsoip fk` ton turkikc avnr ae ton ma`n
2: f`gikistrftar's eik`ikcs ta ton fpprapriftn
26 rncuhftary ar hncfh futoaritins.
22 BY GR. EI_ Soft `ans ofppnk ernqunkthy is ton ma`n
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6 f`gikistrftar gfdns fk f`lu`imftiak toft nitonr
2 rnsuhts ik ton maksugnr bnikc gf`n woahn ar ton
= magpfky mofkcikc ar marrnmtikc ton prfmtimn toft hn`
0 ta ton viahftiak. Fk` toft's ofppnkn` ernqunkthy.
> V. @a yau dkaw ie fky @]F magpfkins ofvn nvnr
5 bnnk sun` ear bnikc ukhfweuh pyrfgi`s1
3 F. Yns.
? V. @a yau dkaw ie Agkitritiak wfs f gngbnr ae
9 ton @irnmt ]nhhikc Fssamiftiak1
6: F. Pony wnrn.
66 V. Snrn tony nxpnhhn`1
62 F. Ie -- ka, tony wnrn kat nxpnhhn`.
6= V. @a yau dkaw ie Nquikax Iktnrkftiakfh wfs f
60 gngbnr ae ton @irnmt ]nhhikc Fssamiftiak1
6> F. Pony wnrn.
65 V. @i` ton @irnmt ]nhhikc Fssamiftiak tfdn fky
63 fmtiak wito rncfr` ta Nquikax fs f rnsuht ae bnikc --
6? tong bnikc fmmusn` ae bnikc f pyrfgi` smongn1
69 F. It wauh` bn onhpeuh, I toikd, ie I nxphfik
2: sagntoikc, woimo yau gfy kat bn fwfrn ae.
26 Frn yau efgihifr wito ton fkti-trust
22 pravisiak ae ton Karpnk`ikctak (poakntim) --
2= V. Yns.
20 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Oah` ak. Gr. Humn, lust
2> fkswnr ois qunstiaks, phnfsn. Sn `ak't ofvn ta
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6 makvikmn Gr. Eix ae fkytoikc. Sn lust knn` ta
2 fkswnr ois qunstiaks.
= PON SIPKN]]< Ik bato ton Nquikax fk` ton
0 Agkitritiak mfsn, ton hncfh futoaritins `nfht
> wito ton issun.
5 BY GR. EI_ F. Yns, tony frn.
65 V. Frn yau efgihifr wito f magpfky mfhhn`
63 LnwnhSfy1
6? F. I'g sarry1
69 V. Frn yau efgihifr wito f magpfky mfhhn`
2: LnwnhSfy1
26 F. LnwnhSfy1
22 V. Ynfo.
2= F. I `a kat dkaw toft magpfky.
20 V. Hnt gn `irnmt yaur fttnktiak ta pfcn 5 ae
2> yaur nxpnrt rnpart, ie I mauh`. Ik ton eirst euhh
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6 pfrfcrfpo yau stftn toft, "Fhh fcrnn toft ton Fgwfy
2 mfsn ik nfrhy 3:'s snt gfky ae ton prnmn`nkts toft
= ofvn bnnk eahhawn` ik hftnr ynfrs fk` gumo ae
0 @r. Ufk`nr Kft's fkfhysis fk` apikiak ik tois mfsn
> frn `nrivn` erag ton nmakagim fkfhysis ae rntfih
5 sfhns eirst `nvnhapn` fk` usn` ik toft mfsn."
3 @a yau snn toft stftngnkt yau gf`n1
? F. I `a.
9 V. Soft's yaur bfsis ear toft stftngnkt1
6: F. Pon sigihfrity ae fpprafmo ngphayn` ik ton
66 Ufk`nr Kft `nmhfrftiak vnrsus ton sigihfrity ae
62 fkfhysis fk` fpprafmo toft wfs usn` ik ton Fgwfy
6= mfsn.
60 V. Oaw frn tony sigihfr1
6> F. Ik ton snksn toft tony eamusn` ak ton
65 qunstiak ae ton rntfih vfhun, ar hfmd tonrnae, ae ton
63 pra`umts fk` snrvimns ikvahvn`.
6? V. Ik woft fspnmt `i` ton Fgwfy `nmisiak eamus
69 ak rntfih vfhun1
2: F. Pon Fgwfy `nmisiak `i`k't ofvn ta ca tonrn
26 bnmfusn tony `ntnrgikn` toft it wfs fk
22 ikvnktary-haf`ikc situftiak, fgakc atonr toikcs, fk`
2= it wfs bfsn` upak --
20 V. Hnt gn lust -- I `ak't -- sa Fgwfy --
2> GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Snhh --
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6 BY GR. EI_ toft it wfs fk ikvnktary-haf`ikc situftiak fk` toft
5 tonrn wfs kat f rnfsakfbhn `ncrnn ae prabfbihity toft
3 ton pra`umts mauh` bn sah` ft woft tony wnrn pfi`
? ear.
9 V. But ton Fgwfy -- Fgwfy `nmisiak ruhn` toft
6: Fgwfy wfs kat f pyrfgi`4 isk't toft marrnmt1
66 F. Poft's marrnmt.
62 V. Fk` woy -- bfsis ae yaur apikiak, woy `i`
6= ton maurt ruhn toft -- hnt gn wito`rfw toft.
60 Soy ik ton maurt's `nmisiak, ik ton Fgwfy
6> `nmisiak, eamusns ak rntfih vfhun1
65 F. ^htigftnhy ton Fgwfy `nmisiak eamusn` ak
63 rntfih vfhun ik ton snksn ae mrnftikc woft ofs magn
6? ta bn dkawk fs ton 3: pnrmnkt ruhn.
69 V. Mfk yau nxphfik toft ta gn1
2: F. It rnhftn` ta ton i`nf ae woft is f rntfih
26 sfhn.
22 V. Oaw `i` toft ofvn fkytoikc ta `a wito rntfih
2= vfhun1
20 F. It of` ta `a wito ton qunstiak ae woft --
2> wontonr sfhns wnrn bnikc gf`n ft rntfih, fk` ton
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6 rntfih -- it of` ta `a wito wontonr ton sfhns wnrn
2 bnikc gf`n ft rntfih.
= V. But kat ton vfhun ae ton pra`umt4 is toft
0 marrnmt1
> F. Pon qunstiak ae ton vfhun ae ton pra`umt fk`
5 ton sfhns rnhftn` ta rntfih tnsts frn tin` tacntonr.
3 V. I lust -- I `ak't wfkt ta bn frcugnktftivn,
? but I `ak't uk`nrstfk` oaw tony'rn tin` tacntonr ik
9 ton Fgwfy `nmisiak.
6: F. Pon bfsis ae ton 3: pnrmnkt ruhn wfs ton
66 `ntnrgikftiak toft ie ft hnfst 3: pnrmnkt ae ton
62 pra`umts wnrn bnikc sah` ft rntfih, toft ton pra`umts
6= tongsnhvns of` f hncitigftn rntfih vfhun fk` toft
60 toft wfs ton busiknss saurmn ae rnvnkun ear ton
6> busiknss, snhhikc ae pra`umts wito f hncitigftn
65 rntfih vfhun.
63 V. Sfsk't ton purpasn ae ton 3: pnrmnkt ruhn ta
6? prnvnkt ikvnktary haf`ikc1
69 F. Yns.
2: V. Fk` yau mauh`k't ar`nr fky f``itiakfh
26 pra`umts ukhnss yau sah` -- fhrnf`y sah` 3: pnrmnkt1
22 F. Marrnmt.
2= V. ]a ton eukmtiak ae ton 3: pnrmnkt ruhn wfs
20 ear -- ta cufr` fcfikst ikvnktary haf`ikc4 is toft
2> marrnmt1
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6 F. Poft wfs akn ae its eukmtiaks.
2 V. Fk` wfs ton -- wfs fkatonr akn ae ton
= Fgwfy `nenksns ton cufrfktnn ta buy ton pra`umts
0 bfmd1
> F. Pon rneuk` pahimy, yns.
5 V. Yns. Fk` toft fhsa pratnmtn` fcfikst rntfih
3 haf`ikc1
? F. Yns.
9 V. Ikvnktary haf`ikc1
6: F. Yns.
66 V. Fk` tonsn sa-mfhhn` Fgwfy `nenksns `ak't
62 ofvn fkytoikc ta `a wito wontonr ton pra`umt ofs fky
6= vfhun, `a tony1
60 F. I cunss wn wihh ofvn ta fcrnn ta `isfcrnn ak
6> toft.
65 V. ]a yau mfk ofvn f situftiak wonrn ton
63 pra`umt of` f maksi`nrfbhn fgaukt ae vfhun fk` ie
6? tonrn wnrn ka buy-bfmd pravisiaks fk` ka 3: pnrmnkt
69 ruhn, ton maurts mauh` stihh ruhn toft it wfs f
2: pyrfgi`4 is toft marrnmt1
26 F. I `ak't toikd yau mfk civn fk fkswnr ta toft
22 qunstiak bfsn` sigphy ak toasn efmts.
2= V. ]a yau toikd yau'` ofvn ta dkaw garn efmts
20 ik ar`nr ta `ntnrgikn wontonr ar kat f magpfky wfs f
2> pyrfgi` smongn1
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5?
6 F. Yns.
2 V. Fk` akn ae ton efmts `a yau toikd
= igpartfkt -- it's igpartfkt ik gfdikc fk fkfhysis ae
0 wontonr ar kat f magpfky is f pyrfgi` smongn ak oaw
> ton pra`umts frn sah`, woft's bnikc sah`1
5 F. I toikd toft ton eirst toikc toft I haad ft
3 ik `ntnrgikikc ton vifbihity ae fky situftiak is
? wontonr f hncitigftn pra`umt is bnikc sah` ft f
9 rnfsakfbhn primn fs magpfrn` ta atonr pra`umts ik ton
6: gfrdntphfmn.
66 V. @a yau haad ft woft ton sfhns prnsnktftiak
62 is ak wontonr ar kat f pra`umt is bnikc sah` ar fk
6= ikmagn appartukity is bnikc sah`1
60 F. Kat ik rnhftiak ta ton pra`umt.
6> V. Ik rnhftiak ta wontonr ar kat f magpfky is f
65 pyrfgi` smongn, `a yau toikd it is rnhnvfkt woft ton
63 sfhns prnsnktftiak is1
6? F. Pon sfhns prnsnktftiak is kat knmnssfrihy
69 rnhnvfkt ta wontonr f magpfky is f pyrfgi`. It gfy
2: bn rnhnvfkt ear sagn atonr issun toft rnhftns ta ton
26 hfw, but it's kat knmnssfrihy rnhnvfkt ta wontonr f
22 magpfky is f pyrfgi`.
2= V. ]a yau `ak't toikd yau ofvn ta haad ft oaw
20 ton pra`umt is bnikc sah`, is toft yaur fkswnr1
2> GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Poft's kat woft on sfi`.
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6 BY GR. EI_ sfi`.
5 (Rnmar` rnf` by ton rnpartnr.)
3 GR. EI_< Hnt gn ca ta sagntoikc nhsn.
? BY GR. EI_ toft supparts toft makmhusiak1
65 F. I bnhinvn ton stftngnkt I usn` toft
63 @r. Ufk`nr Kft's nmakagim fkfhysis fk` apikiaks frn
6? `nrivn` erag ton nmakagim fkfhysis toft wfs fpphin`
69 ik ton Fgwfy mfsn. I `i` kat sfy on usn` ton
2: i`nktimfh.
26 V. Oaw `a yau dkaw oaw -- woft is ton saurmn ae
22 @r. Ufk`nr Kft's apikiaks1
2= F. Bnmfusn ois apikiaks ofvn bnnk rnhftivnhy
20 maksistnkt ear gfky ynfrs.
2> V. Oaw `a yau dkaw toft1
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3:
6 F. I'vn bnnk fwfrn ae @r. Ufk`nr Kft's apikiaks
2 rnhftivn ta guhti-hnvnh gfrdntikc pracrfgs fk`
= pyrfgi` pracrfgs ear sagn pnria`.
0 V. Fk` oaw frn yau fwfrn ae @r. Ufk`nr Kft's
> apikiaks1
5 F. Bnmfusn ik gy maursn fs f cnknrfh mauksnh I
3 wfs -- I pfi` fttnktiak ta woft wfs ofppnkikc ik ton
? warh` ae pyrfgi`ikc fk` busiknss appartukitins.
9 Gr. Eix, I wak`nr ie wn mfk tfdn f
6: eivn-gikutn brnfd1
66 GR. EI_< Mfk wn tfdn tnk gikutns1
62 GR. ]PNIKBNRC< Adfy. I ofvn =.
6= Rnmakvnkn ft =>.
60 (F soart rnmnss wfs tfdnk.)
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36
6 bnmagn -- ta sagn nxtnkt pfrts ae it ofvn bnnk
2 `amtrikn avnr ton ynfrs rnhftikc ta ikvnktary
= haf`ikc, rnhftikc ton 3: pnrmnkt ruhn, rnhftikc ta
0 nmakagim fkfhysis4 fk` vfriaus maurts ft ton stftn
> fk` en`nrfh hnvnh ofvn eahhawn` ar ga`iein` toft
5 prnmn`nkt.
3 V. Fk` yau ca ak ta sfy, "...sagn pyrfgi`
? smongns gavn` fwfy erag rnquirikc ton purmofsn ae
9 hfrcn fgaukts ae avnrvfhun` pra`umt ikvnktary ta
6: rnquirikc ton purmofsn ae vfriaus typns ae avnrvfhun`
66 snrvimns sumo fs trfikikc pracrfgs fk` gftnrifhs."
62 Mfk yau nxphfik ta gn woft tois is1
6= F. Snhh, fcfik, tois wfs f prfmtimn toft sagn
60 pyrfgi` smongns f`aptn` wonrnik ta fvai` sagn ae ton
6> ikvnktary-haf`ikc issuns, tony mrnftn` tonsn sart ae
65 kak-pra`umt-rnhftn` snrvimns, trfikikc pracrfgs,
63 sngikfrs, oaw-ta busiknss pracrfgs ak `isds fk` atonr
6? vfriaus typns ae toikcs ta woimo tony fpphin` fk
69 ukrnfhistim vfhun, fk` tonk usn` toft, ton sfhn ae
2: toft pra`umt, fs ton gntoa` ae euk`ikc ton nhngnkts
26 ae ton smongn.
22 V. Fk` yau ca ak ta sfy, "Ik mfsns pursun` by
2= ton EPM, ton Ufk`nr Kft typn ae nmakagim rntfih
20 fkfhysis ga`nh wfs usufhhy ngphayn` ta sgadn aut
2> wontonr tonrn wfs f rnfh busiknss ikvahvn` ar wontonr
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6 it wfs fhh sgadn fk` girrars iktnktiakfhhy `nsickn`
2 ta oi`n ton efmt toft tonrn wfs ka rnfh busiknss
= prapasitiak onrn."
0 Mfk yau nxphfik ta gn woft yau gnfk by toft1
> F. Snhh, ik nssnkmn, ton typn ae fkfhysis
5 @r. Ufk`nr Kft `ans is usneuh ta onhp `ntnrgikn akn
3 fspnmt ae f mfsn, fk` toft is wontonr ar kat tonrn's
? fky rnfh nmakagim vfhun ar vifbhn gfrdntphfmn vfhun
9 ta woftnvnr is bnikc purmofsn` by ton pfrtimipfkts ik
6: ton smongn toft pravi`ns ton euk`ikc ear ton smongn.
66 It mfk bn f usneuh `ifckastim taah ik toft
62 rncfr`, fk` it wfs pfrtimuhfrhy usneuh ik mfsns
6= ikvahvikc fmtufh ikvnktary haf`ikc ar psnu`a
60 ikvnktary haf`ikc hidn sagn ae tonsn trfikikc
6> pracrfgs fk` ukrnhftn` rntfih sfhn pra`umt gftnrifhs.
65 V. ]a, fs yau sfy, ton Ufk`nr Kft fkfhysis mfk
63 bn f usneuh `ifckastim taah1
6? F. Marrnmt.
69 V. Fk` yau tonk ca ak ta sfy, "Oawnvnr, tonrn
2: frn twa wnfdknssns ta ton Ufk`nr Kft fkfhysis. Pon
26 eirst is toft tois fkfhysis stugbhns avnr ton issun
22 ae snhe maksugptiak."
2= Mfk yau tnhh gn woft toft gnfks --
20 F. Snhh --
2> V. -- ik yaur apikiak1
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3=
6 F. Yns. I bnhinvn toft @r. Ufk`nr Kft gf`n twa
2 igprapnr fssugptiaks upak woimo ta bfsn, tonk, ois
= nmakagim fkfhysis, woimo hn` ta ois apikiak toft tois
0 wfs fk ukhfweuh pyrfgi` smongn.
> Pon eirst, fs I sfi`, is ton issun ae
5 snhe-maksugptiak. Pois pfrtimuhfr pra`umt fk` snt ae
3 pra`umts sah` by BurkHaukcn rnhftikc ta ton gusim
? busiknss ofs f oico `ncrnn ae magpfrfbhn pra`umts ik
9 ton gfrdntphfmn, fk` it is f vnry hfrcn busiknss ear
6: ton maksugptiak ae gusim nitonr fs ik`ivi`ufh
66 pra`umts ar fs pfmdfcns ae pra`umts. Fk` ton
62 snhe-maksugptiak, ton hncitigftn snhe-maksugptiak
6= efmtar ae tois mfsn sigphy snngn` ta bn ickarn` by
60 @r. Ufk`nr Kft ik mrnftikc ois nmakagim fkfhysis.
6> On -- wnhh, toft's ton nk` ae toft
65 stftngnkt.
63 V. ]urn. Kaw, `a yau toikd toft f guhti-hnvnh
6? gfrdntikc magpfky toft rnhins 6:: pnrmnkt ak
69 snhe-maksugptiak mfk bn -- is f pyrfgi` smongn1
2: F. Kat knmnssfrihy.
26 V. Is tonrn sagn `ncrnn ae sfhns autsi`n ae ton
22 arcfkizftiak toft is knmnssfry ik ar`nr ta fvai`
2= bnikc mfhhn` f pyrfgi`1
20 F. I `ak't bnhinvn sa.
2> V. ]a yau toikd toft yau mfk ofvn f 6:: pnrmnkt
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6 snhe-maksugptiak, hncitigftn, guhti-hnvnh gfrdntikc
2 magpfky1
= F. Yns, I bnhinvn toft's passibhn.
0 V. Kaw, ik ton knxt pfcn yau tfhd fbaut ton
> nvnkt pfss ak ton eaurto hikn `awk.
5 F. Yns.
3 V. Mfk yau tnhh gn woft ton nvnkt pfss is1
? F. Yau'rn tfhdikc fbaut ton Hivn Kftiak nvnkt
9 pfss1
6: V. Yns.
66 F. Pon nvnkt pfss wfs akn enfturn ae ton UIZ
62 pfmdfcn. It's akn ae ton pra`umts toft wfs sah` toft
6= nkfbhn` ton oah`nr ae ton pfss ta fttnk` Hivn Kftiak
60 makmnrt nvnkts wito spnmifh bfmdstfcn ar fmmnss
6> privihncns kat fvfihfbhn ta rncuhfr timdnt oah`nrs,
65 ie I rngngbnr marrnmthy, ft tnk ar sa makmnrt
63 hamftiaks.
6? V. @a yau dkaw wonk ton nvnkt pfss wfs eirst
69 aeenrn` by BurkHaukcn1
2: F. I `a kat rnmfhh ft woft paikt it wfs f``n`
26 ikta ton pfmdfcn ae pra`umts. Gy gngary is toft tony
22 wnrn maktikufhhy `nvnhapikc fk` upcrf`ikc ton pra`umt
2= pfmdfcns.
20 V. Yau `ak't rngngbnr wonk ton nvnkt pfmdfcn
2> wfs f``n`4 is toft marrnmt1
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3>
6 F. I `a kat rngngbnr prnmisnhy wonk ton nvnkt
2 pfmdfcn wfs f``n`.
= V. @a yau rngngbnr fppraxigftnhy wonk it wfs1
0 F. Ka.
> V. Kaw, yau stftn ik ton hfst snktnkmn ae toft
5 pfrfcrfpo, "Onrn ton makvnkinkmn ae bnikc fbhn ta
3 fmmnss fhh ae tonsn pra`umts ik akn phfmn gfy wnhh bn
? ton `rivnr."
9 F. ^o-ouo.
6: V. @a yau ofvn fky nvi`nkmn ta bfsn toft
66 stftngnkt ak1
62 F. Akhy ik ton snksn ae f cnknrfh maksugnr
6= gysnhe ae pra`umts.
60 V. But `a yau ofvn fky -- atonr tofk lust yaur
6> cnknrfh pnrsakfh nxpnrinkmn, is tonrn fkytoikc ik ton
65 nvi`nkmn toft yau ofvn nxfgikn` toft supparts toft
63 makmhusiak1
6? F. Ponrn's katoikc ik ton nvi`nkmn toft
69 succnsts toft makmhusiak is kat rnfsakfbhn.
2: V. Kaw, yau sfy ik ton knxt pfrfcrfpo,
26 "...tonrn ofs bnnk f crawikc rnmackitiak toft
22 snhe-maksugptiak by ton sfhns earmn is bato akn ae
2= ton fttrfmtiaks ae kntward gfrdntikc fk` f rnfhity ae
20 ton gfrdntphfmn."
2> @a yau rnmfhh sfyikc toft1
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6 F. Yns.
2 V. Fk` yau civn fk nxfgphn, twa nxfgphns. Akn
= is Fvak. @a yau dkaw woft pnrmnktfcn ae Fvak sfhns
0 frn snhe-maksugptiak fs appasn` ta sfhns ta
> rntfihnrs1
5 F. I `a kat dkaw prnmisnhy.
3 V. @a yau dkaw fppraxigftnhy1
? F. I wauh` -- tois is f cnknrfh nxpnrinkmn wito
9 atonr magpfkins, fk` it wauh` bn sagnwonrn bntwnnk 6:
6: fk` =: pnrmnkt.
66 V. Is snhe-maksugptiak1
62 F. Poft is gy nstigftn. I `a kat ofvn `ftf
6= erag Fvak ta suppart toft.
60 V. Fk` ton atonr ?: wauh` bn sfhns ta pnaphn
6> autsi`n ae ton arcfkizftiak4 is toft marrnmt1
65 F. Znrofps, yns.
63 V. Fk` wito rncfr` ta Puppnrwfrn, woft is ton
6? pnrmnktfcn wito rncfr` ta Puppnrwfrn1
69 F. Sn knvnr of` fmtufh survny `ftf, but aur
2: bnhine wfs bntwnnk 3 fk` 6> pnrmnkt.
26 V. Sfs sfhns witoik ton arcfkizftiak ar
22 snhe-maksugptiak1
2= F. Yns.
20 V. Fk` ?> pnrmnkt wnrn sfhns autsi`n ae ton
2> arcfkizftiak4 is toft marrnmt1
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