mac interviews whitley

8/3/2019 Mac Interviews Whitley

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Also, how common are other people's reports of similar entities? From my own reading,your books seem to be unique in their depiction of them.

One more question: How accurately were the blue entities depicted in the film version of"Communion"?

Actually, they were pretty accurate. But I never saw them as clearly as they were depicted in

the film. I don't believe that I've seen anything like that since about 1989. They are mentioned

from time to time in letters, so my experience with them wasn't totally unique.

Some of the most intriguing commentary you've made about the visitors is featuredin Ed Conroy's interview with you in "Report on Communion." How do you feel nowabout the possibility that the visitors are the product of some sort of neotany?

I'd also love to know your reactions to the "SOM1-01" operations manual featured inStan Friedman's new book. Are the reports on alien anatomy consistent with your

own encounters? (I was especially interested in the alleged "Type 1" entity, which ismore or less human.) Could these be the visitors able to sometimes "walk amongus," assuming that they do (i.e. Mr. Lee's bookstore encounter)?

Bruce Lee's bookstore encounter was NOT with humanoids at all. These were people like on

the cover of the book, wrapped up in scarves and hats! And Bruce was NOT having me on. I

have seen humans working with the visitors more than once, and people who looked human

but had a very different affect. Also, regarding the "diving suit" situation: the things I saw at

Dora's old place in Boulder that appeared to come alive were so strange that it is beyond my

ability to characterize them at all, except it appeared to me that they were like artificial

bodies that souls could inhabit at times. But what does that mean? Just that this is how my

mind chose to address something that is quite probably beyond explanation.

How has the visitor experience influenced your horror writing? I found "TheForbidden Zone" uniquely harrowing and wonder if some of the otherworldly imagerystems from actual experience or personal understanding.

"The Wolfen" are the Grays. "The Hunger" are the blonds. "The Night Church" is the secret

human society that mediates between the rest of us and outside intelligences. "Black Magic"

is government mind control experimentation. "Catmagic" is the facing of death that starts the

encounter experience, and an interpretation of the visitors in terms of fairy lore. "The

Forbidden Zone" is a deep fear that they represent something from deep in unknown time,

and that secret government fiddling has unleashed them on us.

To make a long story short: the way I work out my fears is in the fiction. The results of that

work go into the books of fact.

(Until "Forbidden Zone," I was not conscious of this process.)


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It seems as if a lot of the visitors' [abilities] can be accounted for if they have beenable to truly manipulate consciousness through technology. For example, light-speedtravel could be accomplished by "faxing" a person's "soul" through space, where itcould merge with a receptive physical body (kind of like telepresence, through whichscientists hope to explore dangerous planetary environments).

"Post-biological" technologies like this seem to correspond to some of the visitors'apparent abilities. What you perceived as "artificial bodies" for instance, might havebeen exactly that.

If you haven't researched transhumanism, there are some fascinating articles on theWeb I'm sure would interest you.

Sounds fascinating. Drop the link in. I'd love to take a look.

Are you aware of the research by Dr. Michael Persinger of Laurentian University?He's been able to duplicate the archetypical CE-like experience by exposing thebrain to computer-controlled electromagnetic fields. Researcher and author AlbertBudden wrote an excellent book expounding on Persinger's theories ("UFOs:Psychic Close Encounters--The Electromagnetic Indictment").

I'd appreciate your thoughts on this controversial interpretation of the "visitorexperience."

He has been able to create a very limited version of the experience, from what I hear from

one of his subjects, but not having undergone the process myself, I can't really compare it.

However, I am very open to the possibility that this isn't alien contact. More than willing to

see another explanation, if it is a true one.

[You] and other experiencers report aliens walking through physical structures suchas walls and doors. In an interview with Ed Conroy, [you] mention the possibility thathumans may be able to duplicate the visitors' remarkable feats given enoughtechnological progression. Betty Hill's description of amniocentesis is often cited asan example of the visitors' apparent high technology.

Recent theoretical work suggests that even walking through walls can eventually beaccomplished using earthly technologies. "Nanotechnology," the applied science ofrestructuring matter on the molecular/atomic level, offers one explanation for thevisitors' reported ability to become "immune" to matter.

You wrote "'Nanotechnology,' the applied science of restructuring matter on the molecular/

atomic level..." The visitors said to a witness back in 1985: "We rearrange atoms." So maybe

we are damn well on the right track, here! Thanks for this neat post!

Evolution on a planet with high gravity isn't consistent with the frail, spindly limbsoften described by abductees. Of course, no one really knows exactly what a gray's


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musculature is like. I think it's likely that they're more insect-like than mammalian,more machine-like than human.

Machine like: there is a machine-like quality to every physical sound or voice I have ever

heard in my experience, and not just from the grays. They have all been like that. Once a man

(human-looking but small) stood behind me for fifteen minutes and breathed during all thattime without a single variation. Like a machine. And the "nine knocks" were delivered with a

perfection of spacing that was actually startling.

Do you think the visitors employ projections or "holograms" in theirinteractions with people? If their communication is symbolic, as your ownexperience suggests, maybe elaborate simulations of some sort would be thebest way to accomplish this.

There isn't really any way to know this right now. However, from what we are learning about

implants, I feel that we may get a better idea of their method of communication soon.

What was the general reaction among your friends after "Communion" waspublished? Did you encounter any hostility/apathy or was your account takenin stride?

Shallow people left, deep people stayed. I lost no childhood friends, a lot of social friends,

gained many new and wonderful friends, friends I consider holy people, because they are

struggling down the abduction road, just like you and me.

The assumption that the visitors are "lifting" cigarettes doesn't imply that

they're taking anything else, like food. In my opinion, their apparent activitiesare staged for the benefit of the witness. It's likely that their seemingpreoccupation with earthly fixations is projected, and might not even haveanything to do with material objects, per se. I think more in terms ofholograms or induced perceptions.

I halfway suspect that they smoke. I've gotten dozens of letters from people who smell

cigarette smoke when they are around. If they do smoke, it is going to freak a lot of people

out totally, including me. Can you imagine finally getting to go to the mothership and

discovering that the place is full of cigarette smoke? That they smoke like coneheads and

they don't care about cancer? It's a nightmare, I must admit. And surely only that!

"Breakthrough" deals with small entities that don't fit the common perceptionof "alien visitors" (i.e. "Grays," whom you've also dealt with). For example,you referred to a smallish humanoid standing in front of you for fifteenminutes and breathing mechanically.

What is the relationship between the "bug-eyed" entities and the morehuman- like creatures you've described? Have you seen them interact/


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communicate? Are the "little men" somehow more suitable for interacting withhumans on a physical basis?

The men seemed more human and interacted with me in a manner that was more

comprehensible. However, I believe that the mechanical breathing was one of them, although

I never saw him. God only knows what they all are, frankly.

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