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DoomonyouallBlev medlem:2006-04-02

Ämne: Most overrated managers?Skrivet: 2011-03-15 03:01:39Citera

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Two questions:

1) Who is the worst of all formerly ranked numbers ones on the site? Gildar? Blu3red? Angst?Duffster? Or someone even worse than those jokers??

(don't include the guy that got banned for cheating, safix or whatever it was)

2) Who are amongst the most overrated managers on X11?

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Skrivet: 2011-03-15 03:17:33Citera

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Bejjita for both **runs away cackling**

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Skrivet: 2011-03-15 05:55:18Citera

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Ursprungligen postat av: ColinzinkBejjita for both **runs away cackling**

+1

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Svar till: DoomonyouallSkrivet: 2011-03-15 13:21:58Citera

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Lolz.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners.

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Svar till: BejjitaSkrivet: 2011-03-15 13:33:17Uppdaterat: 2011-03-15 13:36:21Citera

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For (1), I believe Rachmed has impressed me the least of all the managers I recall to have madeit to number 1.

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Svar till: RichardfennSkrivet: 2011-03-15 13:53:24Citera

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For the banter Bejjita but otherwise I'd agree with rich and say Rachmed . (he did make theNo1spot but only held it for about 2 weeks if I remember correctly)

A league is only ever as good or bad as the managers within the league make it!

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Do you have the complete list of ranked 1 managers somewhere?

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Svar till: UKsNo1Skrivet: 2011-03-15 14:31:56Citera

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Ursprungligen postat av: UKsNo1For the banter Bejjita but otherwise I'd agree with rich and say Rachmed . (he did make theNo1spot but only held it for about 2 weeks if I remember correctly)

I thought he might come up. I thought he was number one for ages though?

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I'm pretty sure Rachmed was number 1 for closer to 5 months than 2 weeks... I think anyway... Iknow I was the one chasing him for a very long time...

Him, Bebbeth, Best11 and myself were all in the running at that time.

To be fair, while his teambuilding was questionable, Rachmed did win things. If you're looking ata manager who is an overrated number 1 then I'd be looking at somebody who managed to get tonumber in circumstances that amplify their success for little effort.

CRAXXEZ is probably the one who comes to mind for me. He was in quite a low division playingagainst rubbish managers with a weaker squad. End result was a lot of wins against specifictactics and stronger teams (for example, countering WP/TTC&PM Y rather than N/V/N and noPM) and that gave a huge ranking spike. Enough to reach number 1.

Props on getting to number 1 but it's definitely the easiest way to get there, the majority of managers who get there have won some silverware which leads to the XCL and the extra gamespropel them to number 1.

That's why I don't understand the argument that the ranking system apparently sucks because



those who play games are higher. Well of course they are, if they are good enough to win a titlethen that should be reflected in their ranking, as it often is most of the time. Sure it's not a perfectsystem, and not every manager high ranked is good and vice versa but it's fairly decent.

An average points per game for example would never work. That would actually penalisemanagers who are more successful... but that's for another topic.

So on topic - CRAXXEZ is the first one that comes to mind. I think I read about others in the pastbefore my time like Goldberg or something who did something similar.. I forget though - wasbefore my time.

Nice to see a lot of the English talent finally riding high in the ranks too!


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Svar till: BejjitaSkrivet: 2011-03-15 14:46:47Citera

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I don't think the average should replace the current ranking, but I'd still like to see it.

Also, I'd like to see a full scale overhaul of the ranking system, but I won't go down this ratholeagain.



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I'd say I was pretty impressed when CRAXXEZ reached the number one spot, as he only was 13years old


Svar till: ColinzinkSkrivet: 2011-03-15 15:00:52Uppdaterat: 2011-03-15 15:20:29Citera

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Can I just ask why you'd like to see it? All I think it'd result in is a mixture of the competentmanagers who manage in the bottom divisions at the top of the ranking.. which really makes nosense. I will be honest, I don't really have a solid solution - but I don't agree with a lot of proposedideas either.

I had a look at the current top 10, should they not be there? I'm going by as far back the last twoseasons so an achievement or two may be out of the 6 months reach but it should be roughlyaccurate (can't be bothered to check out exact dates. )

Paselu. - Won two league titles, one cup, got to one XCL final and one XCL semi.Sambasven - Did the treble, and then the double (narrowly missed out on a second treble!)

Saint_Ash - Won the Euro League with Mad Axemen, progressed from Division 2 to the top flightof XI with Clowns.Strummer - Got to the Xpert International Cup Final, won his last two Divisions and will make thetop flight this season if he wins a playoff.MicheleP - Got to the Round of Last 16 in the XCL, amongst other wins.Ogman - Just won the double.Jobhulsbosch - Got to Pro League quarter final.Gazfraz - Won Euro League, knocked out of XCL semis by eventual winner.ShadowsDT - Leads Division 1a of Super League having won 2a.RichardFenn - Won Division 1a, made it to two cup finals in consecutive seasons.

Of all of these managers, if I absolutely had to pick one that wouldn't deserve to be there, it'dprobably be Jobhulsbosch, all the other managers are doing a fantastic job and are they really not

entitled to a great rank?


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Svar till: KzzonSkrivet: 2011-03-15 15:02:18Citera

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Bejj, you mention CRAXXEZ, but I'm going to twist that and ask: if you wanted to base it onranking vs. winning things, surely Rps78 would be top of this list?




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Ursprungligen postat av: RichardfennBejj, you mention CRAXXEZ, but I'm going to twist that and ask: if you wanted to base it onranking vs. winning things, surely Rps78 would be top of this list?

Based on that logic that's right.

In all honesty though, Rps78 is also before my time. I've never played the guy and I wasn't

around when he was at the top.

But if you asked me who was better out of Nobego and Rps78 based on what they did, I'd pickNobego every time.




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Nice List Bejj, I've also got into the top league after taking over in div 2 with the Clowns.

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Thanks Ash, sorry about that - more weight to my argument.


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Skrivet: 2011-03-15 15:29:18Citera

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Bejj, I meant I would like to see it added as another measure just to look at, not replace what wecurrently have. An average would not be a good replacement for the current system at all.

Currently we have a situation where the ranking system is ok based on that list you produced butin the past we have had several rank whores with no trophies in the top 25. I've always clamoredfor a system where the teams take more of a role; for instance if you lose to a team well belowyour level, you take a big hit ranking wise, and inversely if you beat a team stronger you rise upthe ranks. Sort of like the way tennis or College (American) Football rankings work. In the currentsystem, a top 1000 manager can lose a game to a wank manager with a wank team and it notmatter as long as their tactics were ok. I think it is too big of a step to take because weimmediately associate rank with manager skill, whereas the system I propose is more of a hybridof team performance and manager skill, something I doubt many people would want actually.




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If the ranking is supposed to show who's the best tactician I think a rank per game system wouldbe a good idea. But currently I guess it's trying to emulate the best coach which would be a mix of tactics and winning stuff so you get to play more games.

A pity, in a way, I find it more interesting to see who's the better tactician...

I'd say the managers I find overrated are the ones that have won alot of stuff but never blown meaway tactically. But then again I'm not sure how much glory there is in being the best rock-paper-scissor player on x11.





Svar till: ColinzinkSkrivet: 2011-03-15 16:01:34Uppdaterat: 2011-03-15 16:03:00Citera

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That kind of exists though already doesn't it? Weak teams who beat stronger ones get a lot moretactical points than vice versa. The only way a strong team can stay top of the rankings in thiscase is to win things, and win big. Paselu has one of the best teams in Dream League (prior toCormorans anyway) and he's top of the rankings, as was Duffster. Without winning what they did

this wouldn't ahve been the case IMO.

I had written a long and detailed post about the effect of SQ's and ranking and I used Chrille's Mr.Madness team as a case study. I mentioned that not only was the SQ link contributing to thetactical points, but the fact that Chrille's players (who were weaker than the opposition in skillbars) were outperforming stronger players (stronger in skill bars, made possible due to the SQ'son the weaker players of Chrille's) meant that Chrille earned inflated tactical points. This is goingto occur less in an orthodox team, sure, but weak teams definitely get credit for beating stronger teams. Naturally it doesn't happen often, but when it does a manager gets high in the rank. Oneof my early memories was knocking out a LoC giant with my Division 8 team in Round 4 of thecup, I earned the MotR award for it.

I do get what you're saying though. When I wrote my original post about no solutions I did have a

sort of boxing mindset for it. But what about when a team is the strongest in a low division, theyare basically boxed in, in regards to rank once they are out of the cup. What if they don't face astrong team in the cup? Systems like that in a game like x11 leave the possibility of unrecognisedachievement IMO, which would be bad. But I can see the raw fundamentals of your suggestionfor sure Zink.

EDIT - When I say it kind of exists I am referring to weak/strong ranking modifiers, not anaverage, for the record.

PS - I think the days of rank whores are essentially gone. If somebody asked me how to get agood ranking I'd tell them this - win games.


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Ursprungligen postat av: BejjitaPS - I think the days of rank whores are essentially gone. If somebody asked me how to get agood ranking I'd tell them this - win games.

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Ursprungligen postat av: _angst_ If the ranking is supposed to show who's the best tactician I think a rank per game system wouldbe a good idea. But currently I guess it's trying to emulate the best coach which would be a mix of tactics and winning stuff so you get to play more games.

A pity, in a way, I find it more interesting to see who's the better tactician...

I'd say the managers I find overrated are the ones that have won alot of stuff but never blown meaway tactically. But then again I'm not sure how much glory there is in being the best rock-paper-scissor player on x11.

Will the better tactician not become apparent with their achievements on the game with their teams as a whole though. The good thing about tactical knowledge is that it is nearly in its entiretytransferable across all teams. A good tactician will punch above their weight with every team theymanage (strong and weak), whereas a poor tactician will only win things when they have thestrongest team.






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Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita

Will the better tactician not become apparent with their achievements on the game with their teams as a whole though. The good thing about tactical knowledge is that it is nearly in its entiretytransferable across all teams. A good tactician will punch above their weight with every team theymanage (strong and weak), whereas a poor tactician will only win things when they have thestrongest team.

This is true and it's often obvious who's a good tactician. I think what I meant is that I think goodcoach I think good tactician. And that means that a good coach in my eyes can be someone

without any major titles at all. Team strength is very important in this game still and I think manywinners of big titles aren't that skilled as coaches. They have however built monster teams thatdoesn't require much coaching to be successful. Thus I'm a bit reluctant to rate over-/under-estimated coaches on how many titles they've won.




Svar till: _angst_ Skrivet: 2011-03-15 16:31:30Uppdaterat: 2011-03-15 16:32:11Citera



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Ok I get you now. So for example you think Rps78 (for example) is better than somebody haswon a title, and isn't worse just because he hasn't won a title - yes? I agree with that, but givenDoom mentioned number 1's I tried to keep my post relevant to that, where I'd pick the trophywinner in most cases.

I don't want to talk too much about Rps78 though, I don't know whether he was successful inprivate leagues or whatever.

Put simply - I agree that titles do not maketh the manager, but if we're strictly talking number ones, then you've gotta take it into consideration IMO.

Also - if they are the manager you speak of, then they are simply a good teambuilder.. it's simplyanother route of success, it's one that I personally don't think is challenging to master as thetactical side as teambuilding is almost completely a singular facet that the manager has theinfluence over.. I know what players to buy, and how to train players etc. Nobody can prevent mefrom doing that ultimately.

Whereas all the tactical knowledge in the world is useless if you do not have the skill of readingyour opponent... a better tactician can directly cut dead a worse tactician.. probably one of thereasons I've always been a tactician.. as say knocking out Ibiza CF as the Super League's topside at the time from the XCL was much more of an achievement to me than building a side asstrong as my New Jack Swing was at its peak.. regardless of what league it could have been in..



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What they really need to do, slowly over time, is to synchronise all the xpert leagues which wouldmean that every measurement is equal.

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Svar till: Basilbrush303Skrivet: 2011-03-15 17:52:32Citera

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I think Iwe has always said he's loathe to do that as then there would be a period where n00bscan't start a team and get playing right away.

Plus the markets would go nuts.




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Crazy market times would be interesting. Wonder if it'd go more crazy than it already is


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Skrivet: 2011-03-15 19:53:30Citera

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Ursprungligen postat av: RichardfennI think Iwe has always said he's loathe to do that as then there would be a period where n00bscan't start a team and get playing right away.

Plus the markets would go nuts.

But it would be FAIR. Isn't that worth it?





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To us its a game, for them its a game but also their income (though i do sometimes wonder if theyare aware of that) , thats where its stops being fair.



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Skrivet: 2011-03-15 20:45:09Citera

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Ursprungligen postat av: Basilbrush303

But it would be FAIR. Isn't that worth it?

If it makes the market anything like the Xpert Ladies, you don't want it, trust me.

After the CR all players would be majorly overpriced compared with what they are now, then afew weeks in and it becomes impossible to sell anymore, the market dies.

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i agree and im sure thats the sole reason why it is like it is now?

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But it would stop farming and encourage youth development. Correct if i am wrong but is not notwhat the crew wants. and the bit about being fair. the reality is that new managers are exploitedby older ones in the transfer market.



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thats the same for everyone though, nobody comes in top level its all experience and selling andbuying poorly is all part of the experience you amass on the game and in no short time your theolder manager exploiting new managers thats just life, farming is not a massive issue surely? butin effect having a closed market would hinder things massively, i think the rolling starts date is thefairest option (except for XCL) with a concurrent league format too rigid with too little benefits imo

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Ursprungligen postat av: Basilbrush303But it would stop farming and encourage youth development. Correct if i am wrong but is not not



what the crew wants. and the bit about being fair. the reality is that new managers are exploitedby older ones in the transfer market.

What is wrong with farming? Imo its part of the game too. Farming isn't cheating and its not unfair either, anyone can do it and it too works on a market principle. Too many farmers = no profit for farms. as long as you have unreliable agents you will always have farms and this is a part of thegame, a part incidentally that I actually enjoy allot even though my success has been limited.



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Ursprungligen postat av: Basilbrush303But it would stop farming and encourage youth development. Correct if i am wrong but is not not

what the crew wants. and the bit about being fair. the reality is that new managers are exploitedby older ones in the transfer market.

If the crew REALLY wanted to stop farming they would just have to remove the blue links, soundssimple enough and easily implemented. I don't think it's that high on their agenda if I am honest.


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Ursprungligen postat av: DoomonyouallTwo questions:

1) Who is the worst of all formerly ranked numbers ones on the site? Gildar? Blu3red? Angst?Duffster? Or someone even worse than those jokers??

(don't include the guy that got banned for cheating, safix or whatever it was)

2) Who are amongst the most overrated managers on X11?

1) First that comes to mind is CRAXXEZ.

2) I am.

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Did Alexander112 make #1 or #2? He would comfortably be the worst IMHO.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more.





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I think he was number 2 to me at one point. Pretty sure he was number 2. That probably suits himtbh, so he's equal to his beloved Chrille. Chrille once wrote a fantastic press release aboutAlexander112 in two parts...


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I think it is really hard to say who is over-rated. Let me twist it, who is better, Duff, Blue, Chrillie,Gildar or Bejjita? What about Basil, GB or Ash?

Anybody answering those questions with definate answers, can see more to this game than I can.

Also, what makes a great manager? Ask an art person who the better painter was Michelangeloor Caravaggio? They will tell you Caravaggio, but ask somebody 200 years ago, and the answer would be Michelangelo. Why? Because in his time genius was being able to do somethingbrilliantly, and that's what Michelangelo did, but Caravaggio showed inspiration and futured artmore with his work, so today he is the bigger genius because he showed insight.

Point is, you want the best manager, ask yourself who figured out the ref values first, whomastered SQs, who did pre-emtive form training, AND who got all these things and didn't let on?They're the only good managers out there, the rest of us who suck that knowledge and use it well,we're just hacks like Michelangelo.

So over-rated managers, it's a game of paper rock scissors, and anybody who has got to number 1 knows how to play.



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Svar till: NeowhiteSkrivet: 2011-03-16 03:57:54Citera

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I think it is really hard to say who is over-rated. Let me twist it, who is better, Duff, Blue, Chrillie,Gildar or Bejjita? What about Basil, GB or Ash?



Point is, you want the best manager, ask yourself who figured out the ref values first, whomastered SQs, who did pre-emtive form training, AND who got all these things and didn't let on?

They're the only good managers out there, the rest of us who suck that knowledge and use it well,we're just hacks like Michelangelo.

So over-rated managers, it's a game of paper rock scissors, and anybody who has got to number 1 knows how to play.

I like this post. Personally I do not believe in a "best" manager. I only believe in plenty good one's.

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Ursprungligen postat av: NeowhiteI think it is really hard to say who is over-rated. Let me twist it, who is better, Duff, Blue, Chrillie,Gildar or Bejjita? What about Basil, GB or Ash?



Point is, you want the best manager, ask yourself who figured out the ref values first, whomastered SQs, who did pre-emtive form training, AND who got all these things and didn't let on?They're the only good managers out there, the rest of us who suck that knowledge and use it well,we're just hacks like Michelangelo.

So over-rated managers, it's a game of paper rock scissors, and anybody who has got to number

1 knows how to play.

But that question is completely different, it IS much harder to answer. But I'd find it a lot easier tocome to the conclusion that say... Ade Akinbiyi is one the worst Premier League centre forwardthan it is to say Rooney is better than Torres, or Torres is better than Drogba.. etc.

I actually don't disagree with your whole post, it is hard to answer that question. I just don't seehow being unable to pick the best manager shows how hard it is to pick the most overrated, it'snot the same IMO.



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What about this guy... Never even been to division 3. Then again, I don't even like the XpertLeagues, or my team, but still, I've never won anything

Flytta till överst på sidanDfault [Kontakta författare inom ligan][Användaren är VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent][Dfault]Blev medlem:2009-05-26

Svar till: Kknox86Skrivet: 2011-03-16 08:28:47Citera

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Or this guy, have only been in division 4 as best and when I am in division 4 I get whopped andsent back to division 5 and I was number 2 behind Duffster for a couple of months. And I have

only won Division 5......

Loooooser

http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1

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[Blu3red]Blev medlem:2006-01-08

Svar till: DfaultSkrivet: 2011-03-16 16:49:44Citera

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Definitely Rps78.

Happiness is not so much in having as sharing. We make a living by what we get, but we make alife by what we give.

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[Bkhilliard]Blev medlem:2005-10-24

Svar till: Blu3redSkrivet: 2011-03-17 15:01:35Citera

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RPS couldnt be that good i played him 4 times won 3 and drew 1.. Anyone who cant beat memust be Shite.

I think RPS was a very good player during his early spell, perhalps you could apply the footballer from the 70s who looked great now but the 8 pints a day he could drink then would not work inmodern football.

I have experience of Best11 and tbh he only had two tactics tactic one involed his intelligentplaymaker and wing plays tactic two long range shots with his hard shooter.

I personally was very disappointed that he just didnt attempt to bring any players through hisSloga team and just team hopped that team is now destined to disappear in the next 2-3seasons.

Flytta till överst på sidanDuffster [Kontakta författare inom ligan][Användaren är VIP-medlem] [Användaren är ligaboss för ligan] [Är med i Hall Of Fame!][Duffster]Blev medlem:2006-09-11

Svar till: BkhilliardSkrivet: 2011-06-23 21:45:08Citera

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Humpty bumpty.............

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness.

http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1

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Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2011-10-05 23:18:17Citera

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bump




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