New Keel Boat AcquisitionMichał Kwiatek

21/11/2013

2012 General Assembly discussed acquisition of a large, race-worthy keel boat

People outside of the committee to be involved decision-making process

Currently no mooring place, but in order to get one, we must be ready to make the purchase rapidly

Context

“Find the perfect new keel boat for the YCC”

But: Perfect for what? As seen by whom? According to which criteria? Discussing boats can be like discussing

politics….

Objective

Explain process Boats discussed and boats tested Evolution of the selection criteria

Present the boat selected within this process

Get the General Assembly’s approval so that the next committee can: secure a mooring place purchase the new boat

Objectives of this presentation

January – February 2013 Initial presentation to committee – “How to

proceed with the new boat acquisition” Call for volunteers through the YCC Blog YCC New Boat Study group formed:

Bartek Pawłowski, David Porret, Helen Morris, Kirill Prokofiev, Michał Kwiatek, Tim Huckstep, Tim Foster, Patrick Diday, Ricardo Gonzalo, Vince Cobham

The process (1)

Physical Length Breadth Draft Main sail Genoa Spinaker Max number of people Weight Engine Financial Price new Price second-hand in good condition Price of the trailer Engine maintenance cost Popularity Number of boats in Europe Number of boats in Switzerland Number of boats on the lake Competition Number of class regattas on the lake Number of boats in the Swiss Championship Number of boats in the European Championship Number of boats in Bol d'Or Number of boats in SdS Used for March Racing? Favourable SRS ratio? Didactical Learning curve Level in YCC course curriculum Fast track for key holders? Motivational Fun to sail in force 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6? Sexy for an evening outing? Sexy for a day outing? Sexy for Bol d'Or? Vision Club members with a vision to make it a success Areas of club activity addressed Safety Risk of damage to the boat Risk of damage to other boats Risk of injury Realistic Can we get a place for it? Can we afford it?

Some criteria…

March – April 2013 Brainstormed

criteria visions

Compared boats on paper

Agreed on the initial list of criteria

The process (2)

Boats we discussed

Surprise J 70 J 80 B/one Esse 850 mOcean Blu26 Saphire Seascape A27

Melges 24 X-35 SB-20 Longtze SunFast 3200 Mumm 30 M34 Grand Surprise Elan 36 Elan 350 Beneteau Figaro 2

Private member outings Keel boat training/courses Thursday nights Internal club regattas Social club outings External regattas (one class or handicap

racing)

Typical usage patterns

The process (3)

April-October 2013 Tested the boats

(including a trip to Lake Garda)

Reviewed the objectives Reviewed the selection

criteria

Reached consensus!

Boats we testedCriteria / Boat

Surprise J/70 J/80 B/one

Esse 850

mOcean

Blu26

Saphire

Seascape

                                     Length 7.65  6.93  8  7.09  8.5  7.97  8  8  7.99 Breadth 2.5  2.25  2.51  2.49  2.2  2.2  2.2  2.5  2.54 

Draft 1.6  1.45  1.49  1.65  2  1.6 1.3-1.8   1.7 

0.85-1.95  

Main sail 16.5  26  20  21  47  23  21  29  48 Foc        14        14  14  15    

Genoa 17     21  11        19 

35

code 0    Spinaker 69              65  70       Genaker     45  65  48  80  70  60  75  78 

Max number of people 6  6  8  6 3-4 (280)   8     8    

Weight 1250  794  1315  989  1250  970  1200  1300    Balast 500  286  635  370  700        500    Financial                            Price new w/ sails w/o engine 52000  51300  65000  43000  80000  76263 

70324  83000    

Price second-handexpensive   -   40000  -   60000  -   -   -   -  

Price of the trailer                            

SRS (System F)TR51.000  

TR51.002  

TR41.031  

TR51.012 1

TR31.111  

TR41.058

TR41.060 

TR41.060  

TR41.054  

Agreed selection criteriaCriteria Vote

sGood build quality, solid rather than delicate 8More exciting than the Surprise understood as larger ratio of sail area to weight, suitable for light winds 7Key not more challenging than the Surprise, no requirement for engine permit, no inboard 7

Asymmetric spinnaker 5Good for day cruising, so with a small cabin where a person can comfortably sit 4Cockpit can accommodate more than 5 people comfortably 4

Good competition with boats in an SRS class 3

Short list

J/80 Saphire

http://www.jboats.com/j80 http://www.saphireboats.com/

Compared to SurpriseCriteria/Boat Surprise J/80 Saphire

     Length 7.65 8 8Breadth 2.5 2.51 2.5Draft 1.6 1.49 1.7Main sail 16.5 20 29Foc   14 15Genoa 17 2135 (code 0)Spinaker 69   Genaker   65 75Max number of people 6 8 8Weight 1250 1315 1300Balast 500 635 500Financial      Price new w/sails, w/0 engine 52000 65000 83000Price second-hand in good condition ~45000 ~40000 -SRS rating 1.000 1.031 1.060Registered for SRS on Lemain 182 5 1Boats in an International Championship 43 in 2012, 18 in 2013 117 -

J/80 Saphire Brand new boat design Several produced so far

No second-hand market

Strong weather helm (big main)

More challenging than the Surprise

Established class Over a 1000 boats worldwide

Big second-hand market

Balanced helm Requires similar skill level as

the Surprise

Purchase a J/80 or similar, second hand or new As soon as a place in Port Choiseul is procured Promote its adoption in the YCC under the “SU”

key

New Boat Study Group’s Recommendation

Give the next Committee the mandate to: Secure a mooring in Port Choiseul

Hold working funds of 20 kCHF thought to be necessary

Purchase a new or second-hand boat J/80 or similar boat that fulfils the selection

criteria listed above At the approx. maximum cost of 70 kCHF

(w/sails, w/o engine)

Request for GM vote

J/80 Photos

Reserve slides

is fun to sail in typical lake conditions is used everyday all season motivates to improve keelboat sailing skills is not too difficult to learn boosts advanced keelboat sailing races in reasonably competitive regattas is used for more than one area of club activity is promoted by club members committed to

make it a success is bought second-hand in good condition

The ideal new boat…

Following several long discussions, we decided not to include these as deciding factors:

Less than 15 m2 of sail area, so that it can be sailed without a permit- Yngling is the most exciting keel boat in this category

Large fleet on the Geneva lake- Surprise remains the boat of choice competitive single

class racing

While definitely very important, these points are already covered by existing boats in our fleet.

Accepted non-criteria

Type CountSurprise 146Grand Surprise 40Toucan 296.5 m SI 15Esse 850 13Luthi 870 13

Popular on the lake

Boats with active jauge SRS on Lac Leman, based on:• http://www.swissratingsystem.org/app/srs/srs2012.n

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