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DITOBIAL ouflNG 06-4-91 o: NEA LIVELY ARTS s'- XI 'Sunday Dinner' Norman Lear looks to a new age By Frank Lovece Norman Lear owned the'70s, as far as TV comedy was concerned, but he gets aggravated when he's reminded of the fact. The writer-producer, whose series like "All in the Family," "Maude" and "One Day at a Time" brought formerly unspoken subjects to television, has been largely absent from the medium for the last seven years. Now, armed with a new CBS series, "Sunday Dinner," about a 56- year-old man (Robert Loggia) en- gaged to a beautiful woman half his age (Teri Hatcher), Lear is sensitive about his long dry spell. "The shows we did in the '70s speak for themselves,n he says edgily. "It was a time of great racism and sex- ism and other 'isms,' and nobody was talking about it. Consequently, there was an awful lot to write about." Despite his best efforts, racism, sexism and other uisms" remained en- trenched in the me'first 1980s. As if that weren't enough to depress him, Lear also went through a bitter di- vorce from his long-time wife, Frances, in the mid-1980s. His last two new TV projects - a one-month- long Paul Rodriguez sitcom, "a.k.a. Pablo," about a Mexican-American family; and "P.O.P.," an unsold NBC sitcom pilot starring Charles Durning - were in 1984. Lear did stay busy, but not as a writer-producer. He co-founded the Constitutional-rights group People for the American Way, a corporate council called the Business Enter- prise Trust, and the production com- pany Act III, which produced such films as "Stand by Me" (1986) and "The Princess Bride" (1987). And, somewhat like the protagonist of "Sunday Dinner," he married a wom- an 25 years his junior, a situation that - as in the new series - gave his grown children conniptions. Does "Sunday Dinner" mirror his own life, just as "All in the Family" mirrored his relationship with his fa- ther and "Maude' was modeled on his ex-wife Frances? "I can't be that objective about it," Lear replies with a verbal shrug. "There's some of me in Ben (Loggia's character, printing-business patri- arch Ben Benedict), some of me in T.T. (the 30-year-old, environmental attorney with a spiritual bent) and there's some of me in Ben's daugh- ters. Certainly, he reminds me of me because he married a younger woman and he has older children." And, just as in the new series, the "kids" were upset. 'It happens every time," says Lear. "You can't have it happen without those kinds of consid- erations.n It took a good two years, he recalls, before his children accepted his new marriage. 'The'90s are very much reminiscent of the'70s in that there's a vast store of unexplored material.' Ben Benedict does have a few dif- ferences from Lear: He's engaged, not married, and he's widowed, not di- vorced. As for T.T.'s pronounced spiri- tual and religious bent, that comes, says Lear, from himself. "This is an era of enormous spiritu- al hunger, with the same lack of con- versation about it (as the other sub- jects he has dealt with had in the '70s). The '90s are very much reminiscent of the'70s in that there's a vast store of unexplored material. In the '90s, it happens to be the lack of spiritual ful- fillment in life. "I think we're waking up to the fact," he muses, "that life is about the unquantifiable, as well as the quanti- fiable. I think rve've grown tired of the numbers-oriented direction life STAR VIEW has taken, being all about winning and charts and polls - numbers. As peo- ple begin to understand we've drifted too far in that direction, we seek to re- connect with the inner life." It sounds to us like the musings of a 68-year-old beginning to faee his own mortality. "Naw," Lear says jauntily. "Doesn't fly. I've been thinking about these things all my life. It's the place the culture is at that makes me see this much more clearly." Even so, he finds own spiritual ful- fillment "by living in the moment. There's no substitute for that - you miss life any other way. How can you know what you're living through if you're living someplace else? If there's a God - and I phrase it with 'if,' because some people are sure there is, some people are equally sure there's not - but if there's a God, that God lives in the moment. And the ulti- mate (travesty) is abandoning the mo- ment to live somewhere in the past or the future.' Clearly, the "Sunday Dinner" con- versation is not going to be about the weather. And as the writer of the first episode and the primary overseer of the rest of the scripts, Lear is elated that "in terms of subject matter, it's like finding a new room in your house - opening a trapdoor and finding an attic you never knew existed, with all this amazing furniture and photo- graphs and everything you didn't know was there. "We haven't spent that much time," he says of his television brethren, uex- ploring the inner life." O I99I NEWSPAPER ENTERPRISE AssN, z EI a F E FT F H z Fl FI F tr F t{ cn ttl D a Q o o H D H l-l o z N) Or O Fd p) tsl :o z o 5 H 2 o tJ o) O) o o I N l'\) t A @ ll O) u o o o o o { o @ o D IJ o o o o x o o v ! o o o o o z o d b o o o t5 o h o o o o ; o o, tr ?

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Nationally syndicated newspaper column (UNEA, June 4, 1991). By Frank Lovece

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Page 1: Norman Lear interview

DITOBIALouflNG 06-4-91o:

NEA LIVELY ARTS s'-XI

'Sunday Dinner'

Norman Lear looks to a new ageBy Frank Lovece

Norman Lear owned the'70s, as faras TV comedy was concerned, but hegets aggravated when he's remindedof the fact. The writer-producer,whose series like "All in the Family,""Maude" and "One Day at a Time"brought formerly unspoken subjectsto television, has been largely absentfrom the medium for the last sevenyears. Now, armed with a new CBSseries, "Sunday Dinner," about a 56-year-old man (Robert Loggia) en-gaged to a beautiful woman half hisage (Teri Hatcher), Lear is sensitiveabout his long dry spell.

"The shows we did in the '70s speakfor themselves,n he says edgily. "Itwas a time of great racism and sex-ism and other 'isms,' and nobody wastalking about it. Consequently, therewas an awful lot to write about."

Despite his best efforts, racism,sexism and other uisms" remained en-trenched in the me'first 1980s. As ifthat weren't enough to depress him,Lear also went through a bitter di-vorce from his long-time wife,Frances, in the mid-1980s. His lasttwo new TV projects - a one-month-long Paul Rodriguez sitcom, "a.k.a.Pablo," about a Mexican-Americanfamily; and "P.O.P.," an unsold NBCsitcom pilot starring Charles Durning

- were in 1984.Lear did stay busy, but not as a

writer-producer. He co-founded theConstitutional-rights group Peoplefor the American Way, a corporatecouncil called the Business Enter-prise Trust, and the production com-pany Act III, which produced suchfilms as "Stand by Me" (1986) and"The Princess Bride" (1987). And,somewhat like the protagonist of"Sunday Dinner," he married a wom-an 25 years his junior, a situation that

- as in the new series - gave hisgrown children conniptions.

Does "Sunday Dinner" mirror hisown life, just as "All in the Family"mirrored his relationship with his fa-ther and "Maude' was modeled on hisex-wife Frances?

"I can't be that objective about it,"Lear replies with a verbal shrug."There's some of me in Ben (Loggia'scharacter, printing-business patri-arch Ben Benedict), some of me inT.T. (the 30-year-old, environmentalattorney with a spiritual bent) andthere's some of me in Ben's daugh-ters. Certainly, he reminds me of mebecause he married a younger womanand he has older children."

And, just as in the new series, the"kids" were upset. 'It happens everytime," says Lear. "You can't have ithappen without those kinds of consid-erations.n It took a good two years, herecalls, before his children acceptedhis new marriage.

'The'90s are verymuch reminiscent ofthe'70s in thatthere's a vaststore of unexploredmaterial.'

Ben Benedict does have a few dif-ferences from Lear: He's engaged,not married, and he's widowed, not di-vorced. As for T.T.'s pronounced spiri-tual and religious bent, that comes,says Lear, from himself.

"This is an era of enormous spiritu-al hunger, with the same lack of con-versation about it (as the other sub-jects he has dealt with had in the '70s).The '90s are very much reminiscentof the'70s in that there's a vast storeof unexplored material. In the '90s, ithappens to be the lack of spiritual ful-fillment in life.

"I think we're waking up to thefact," he muses, "that life is about theunquantifiable, as well as the quanti-fiable. I think rve've grown tired ofthe numbers-oriented direction life

STAR VIEW

has taken, being all about winning andcharts and polls - numbers. As peo-ple begin to understand we've driftedtoo far in that direction, we seek to re-connect with the inner life."

It sounds to us like the musings of a68-year-old beginning to faee his ownmortality. "Naw," Lear says jauntily."Doesn't fly. I've been thinking aboutthese things all my life. It's the placethe culture is at that makes me seethis much more clearly."

Even so, he finds own spiritual ful-fillment "by living in the moment.There's no substitute for that - youmiss life any other way. How can youknow what you're living through ifyou're living someplace else? Ifthere's a God - and I phrase it with'if,' because some people are surethere is, some people are equally surethere's not - but if there's a God, thatGod lives in the moment. And the ulti-mate (travesty) is abandoning the mo-ment to live somewhere in the past orthe future.'

Clearly, the "Sunday Dinner" con-versation is not going to be about theweather. And as the writer of the firstepisode and the primary overseer ofthe rest of the scripts, Lear is elatedthat "in terms of subject matter, it'slike finding a new room in your house

- opening a trapdoor and finding anattic you never knew existed, with allthis amazing furniture and photo-graphs and everything you didn'tknow was there.

"We haven't spent that much time,"he says of his television brethren, uex-

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