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REFUTATION OF IBN QUDAMA Ibn Qudama had made several false allegation Against Majority Of Ahlussunnah [Ashairah + Maturidiah]. We are making objections against Ibn Qudama. Objection:= IBN QUDAMA CANNOT MAKE ANY DISTINCTION BETWEEN CREATED AND UNCREATED. He equates Uncreated Quran to the Created things. Proof:= The Question are := Is Qur’an Sustained in Divine Essence.?? Does Quran Have A Beginning?? If Ibn Qudama believed that Quran DOETH SUBSIST IN DIVINE ESSENCE and Quran Hath a Beginning THEN := He is forced be believe that Things with Beginnings Subsist In Divine Essence. This is the view of Karramiah. Ws Ibn Qudama Karramiah. Further according to his own standard THEN it is Implied that Quran doeth not Exist in the world, since It is impossible for a thing to SUBSIST Simultaneously In Uncreated Divine Essence I.E ALL-H [SUBHAN- HU VA TA”ALA] AND In The Created World. But he believe that If Quran Exist in the Divine Essence then It does not exist in the Created World.According to him Quran Exist in the World. That is why he made objections on Majority of Ahlussunnah. But if Quran Exist in the world then It Must Necessarily Have a Beginning. If Quran EXIST IN THE WORLD , AND HAS A BEGINNING AND QURAN DOETH NOT SUBSIST IN DIVINE ESSENCE THEN := What is the difference between Uncreated and Created: Since :=

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REFUTATION OF IBN QUDAMAIbn Qudama had made several false allegation Against Majority Of Ahlussunnah [Ashairah + Maturidiah].We are making objections against Ibn Qudama.Objection:=IBN QUDAMA CANNOT MAKE ANY DISTINCTION BETWEEN CREATED AND UNCREATED. He equates Uncreated Quran to the Created things.Proof:=The Question are :=Is Quran Sustained in Divine Essence.??Does Quran Have A Beginning??If Ibn Qudama believed that Quran DOETH SUBSIST IN DIVINE ESSENCE and Quran Hath a Beginning THEN :=He is forced be believe that Things with Beginnings Subsist In Divine Essence.This is the view of Karramiah. Ws Ibn Qudama Karramiah.Further according to his own standard THEN it is Implied that Quran doeth not Exist in the world, since It is impossible for a thing to SUBSIST Simultaneously In Uncreated Divine Essence I.E ALL-H [SUBHAN-HU VA TAALA] AND In The Created World. But he believe that If Quran Exist in the Divine Essence then It does not exist in the Created World.According to him Quran Exist in the World. That is why he made objections on Majority of Ahlussunnah.But if Quran Exist in the world then It Must Necessarily Have a Beginning. If Quran EXIST IN THE WORLD , AND HAS A BEGINNING AND QURAN DOETH NOT SUBSIST IN DIVINE ESSENCE THEN := What is the difference between Uncreated and Created:Since :=1] Both do not subsist in Divine Essence.2] Both have a beginning.3]Both are not Divine Essence.4] Both are Distinct From Divine Essence.So there is no Difference B\W Created and Uncreated according to Ibn Qudama.The only diffewrence between Ibn Qudama and Mutizilah is that the Mutaizilah calls Quran as a Creation and Ibn Qudama Doeth Not Call so. Both they both agree that there is no Difference between a creation and a Non Creation.OBJECTION:

It may be the case that some one may say that if a thing is not Eternal then it is not implied that it is Eternal [Beginning-less \Beyond Beginning].Ans:=The Question is:Is ALL-H MAKHLUQ OR GHAIR MAKHLUQ.If Ibn Qudama would have replied that ALL-H Is Makhluq then He would have ceased to be a Muslim.If Ibn Qudama would have replied ALL-H IS GHAIR MAKHLUQ THEN THE QUESTION PROCEEDS AS FOLLOW: DOES ALL-H HATH A BEGINNING OR NOT. IF IBN QUDAMA H WOULD HAVE REPLIED ALL-H HATH A BEGINNING HE WOULD HAVE CEASED TO BE A MUSLIM.IF IBN QUDAMA WOULD HAVE REPLIED THAT ALL-H IS BEYOND BEGINNING [I.E ALL-H DOETH NOT HAVE A BEGINNING] THEN THEN IT MEANS IBN QUDAMA BELIEVED THAT:ALL-H IS UNCREATED AND WITH OUT BEGINNING. NOW IN THIS CASE THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF GHAIR MAKHLUQ ACCORDING TO QUDAMA.1] UNCREATED WITH OUT BEGINNING EG ALL-H2] UNCREATED WITH BEGINNING EG QURAN.IS THIS WHAT IBN QUDAMA BELIEVED . ?WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CREATED , UNCREATED WITH BIGINNING AND UNCREATED WITH OUT BEGINNIG.PROBLEMS OF IBN QUDAMA ARE GREAT. HE CANNOT SOLVE THEM

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