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NON-DESTRUCTIVE TESTING (NDT) OCTOBER 2018

CONFIRMED (Revised February 2019)

CONFIRMED MINUTESOCTOBER 23 - 25, 2018

PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, USA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

TUESDAY 23-OCT-2018 to THURSDAY 25-OCT-2018

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED

1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check – CLOSED

The Non-Destructive Testing (NDT) Task Group was called to order at 8.00 a.m., 23-Oct-2018 by Steve McCool.

It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS with a valid badge were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.

Introductions were performed.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME* Gary Adkins Eaton Aerospace* Philippe Barre Bombardier Aerospace* Andre Barthe SAFRAN GROUP* Peter Bartsch Premium AEROTEC GmbH* Mitch Birzer Gulfstream Aerospace* Juergen Burchards MTU Aero Engines AG* Justin Byers Pratt & Whitney Canada Daniel Calderwood BAE Systems - Air Matthew Chott The Boeing Company* David Cohn The Boeing Company Martha Cordova The Boeing Company* Richard Costantino UTC Aerospace (Goodrich) Grant Crawford The Boeing Company Ralph Duff Bombardier Aerospace* Matt Estep Textron Aviation* Peter Fridolf GKN Aerospace Sweden AB Zulema Garcia The Boeing Company Michael Garnett Spirit AeroSystems Nicolas Garrigou SAFRAN Group* Frederic Girard Pratt & Whitney Canada* Jim Graves Rolls-Royce Corporation* Luis Grijalva Lockheed Martin Corporation* Harry Hahn GE Aviation* Greg Hall Northrop Grumman Corporation Yusuke Hamada Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd.* Terry Hampton Raytheon Company Bill Haselrick Lockheed Martin Benjamin Henkel MTU Aero Engines AG



* Edward Hohman Bell Helicopter Textron John Iley Airbus Commercial Aircraft* Marc-André Lefebvre Heroux-Devtek, Inc.* Fred Lutz Spirit AeroSystems* Steve McCool Honeywell Aerospace Vice Chair Person* Fabrizio Montagnoli Leonardo S.p.a. – Helicopters Secretary Gary Musto SAFRAN Group* Dale Norwood Parker Aerospace Group Ghislain Ouellette Heroux-Devtek, Inc. Edgar Pahua UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)* Justin Payne Textron Aviation* Kyle Platzbecker Rockwell Collins, Inc* Robert Rainone UTC Aerospace (Goodrich) Carl Roche UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)* David Royce Pratt & Whitney* Kurt Ruoff General Dynamics Karsten Schmitz Premium Aerotec GmbH Roger Sines Honeywell Aerospace* Uri Sol Israel Aerospace Industries Norman Tremlay Lockheed Martin - Sikorsky Aircraft* Mitsuyoshi Uematsu Mitsubishi Heavy Industries* Andy Williams Gulfstream Aerospace Barbara Wilson Triumph Group* Sean Wood Triumph Group

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME John Abrahams StandardAero* Mark Airey Robert Stuart Ltd. Aziz Mahmut Kudret Akin Turkish Aerospace (TAI)

Tracy Alger Schaeffler Group* Christopher Andersen Precision Castparts* Michael Ashton Hexcel Corporation* Andy Bakewell E. M. Inspection Co. Ltd.* Alban Bakia Arconic Gershon Bani AMK Welding, A Meyer Tool Company Paula Barnett Doncasters * Doug Barra X-Ray Industries David Beard PCC Airfoils LLC Basil Bennett Carpenter Technology John Bohler Detla Tech Ops Larry Brunner Orbit Industries Inc.* Graham Buswell SPS Aerostructures Ltd Jason Clark Orizon Aerostructures* Derek Coleman Scot Forge Company Francisco Contreras Gastelum Ellison Surface Technologies - Mexico

Cherise Cooper Cooper NDT Jason Crutchley Lear Romec div of Crane Co Natalie Cullen Kreisler Manufacturing



Jeffrey Davis LORD Corporation James Dowd REL, Inc.* Sheldon Emmanuel DCI Aerotech Dustin Findling TIMET Ronald Foo Singapore Aero Engine Services PTE Ltd* Douglas Fowers Barnes Aerospace* Nathan Gangloff RBC Aircraft Products Inc* Richard Gasset LISI Aerospace* David Gray Mitchell Laboratories Inc. Lina Gray Mitchell Laboratories Inc. Jonathon Gray RFC Aerospace Michael J. Guthmiller Applied Aerospace Structures Corp Jason Hale Techmetals Inc. Bob Henchar Milan Tool Corporation Christoph Henkel AMAG Rolling GmbH Fabienne Héron Babb Co* Helmuth Hoeller FACC Operations GmbH John Holeva LORD Corporation Mary Jane Hornung Cobham Mission Systems Don Horzewski ATI Forged Products * Drew Huisman Magnetic Inspection Laboratory (MIL) John Johnson Weatherford Aerospace LLC Robert Kraft Techmetals, Inc. Kris Krishnamoorshy Applus RTD Canada Yanick Lavallee Arconic - RTI Claro* Shelly Lawless Meyer Tool, Inc. Tom Lewis LORD Corporation Grant Lilley Doncasters Hock Peng Lim Singapore Aero Engine Services PTE Ltd David Mailes Ozark Mtn Tech d/b/a/ LMI Aerospace Kevin Majka SIFCO Forge Patrick McCarthy Canton Drop Forge* Bill McKessy Arconic* Zachary Medeiros Timken Aerospace Dimas Medina Kamatics Corporation Alexander Melton Delta TechOps* Dave Mitchell Composite Inspection Solutions Matthew Morrison Carpenter Technology Corporation Jim Newton Aircraft Xray Laboratories, Inc.* Julie Nguyen Element Materials Technology Josiah Ochieng Timken Aerospace Drive Systems LLC* Blair O'Connell Element Materials Technology Cecilia Pacheco Mitchell Labs* Stefano Pasquino TUV SUD Bytest Dulce Petry Hi-Tech Metal Finishing* Vittoria Pianese Leonardo Divisione Aerostructure* Mark Pompe West Penn Testing Group d/b/a Mistras* Curt Powell PCC Structurals Amy Powers Meyer Tool, Inc Salomon Ramirez Hydroform USA Robert Rich SPS Technologies



Doug Riley Magellan Aerospace - Haley Frank Saenz Hi-Tech Metal Finishing* Agostino Sardo TUV SUD Bytest Thomas Schatzley LORD Corporation* John Scheuermann Yankee Casting Co., Inc. James Schrichte Magellan Aerospace Middletown Daniel Sessoms Click Bond,, Inc. Eric Shaw Hexcel Corp Todd Sibelius Hayes International, Inc. Jason Sikora Techmetals, Inc. Harold Slaterpryce PCC Airfoils, LLC Leah Sloan Haynes International Inc Doug Starzec RBC AeroStructures Jackie Sternot PAKO, Inc. Ronald Stewart Ellison Surface Technologies Heather Szymanski Kaydon Ring & Seal - SKF Group Inc John Tamashaitis Kamatics Corporation Mauricio Trombini Villares Metals S/A Steve Urquizo Cassavant Assembly & Processing, LLC* Israel Vasquez Linear Motion Dawn Wade Lee Aerospace, Inc. Kara Warrensford Arconic Wilfried Weber PFW Aerospace AG* Gary White Orbit Industries Inc. David Wilk Semiray Division of Mistras Group Jason Williams Aurora Flight Sciences Lani Williams Danville Metal Stamping* Rob Yocom Imagineering Finishing Technologies Elizabeth Zumwalt SIFCO Forge

PRI Staff Present

Philip FordElizabeth Strano

1.2 Safety Information:

Reviewed Fire Exits In Meeting Room.

Inform PRI Staff Person Of Any Emergencies.

1.3 Reviewed the Code Of Ethics (REF: Attendees’ Guide) and Meeting Conduct.

1.4 Presented the Antitrust Video at the first open and first closed meeting.

1.5 Review of the Agenda for the meeting in Pittsburgh done by Liz Strano.

1.6 Acceptance Of Meeting Minutes - Open

The minutes from the June 19 – 21, 2018 meeting in London, UK were reviewed and approved as written.

Motion made by Justin Payne and seconded by Dale Norwood to approve the minutes from the London, UK meeting. Motion passed.



2.0 REVIEW DELEGATION STATUS – CLOSED

Phil Ford presented the Staff Engineer Delegation, which addressed all the requirements of the t-frm-07, showing 100% staff delegation.

Motion made by David Cohn and seconded by Andre Barthe to approve continuing Staff Engineer delegation. Motion passed.

3.0 TASK GROUP REGULAR BUSINESS ITEMS – CLOSED

Liz Strano presented the NDT Task Group Resolutions items.

One Type C and three Type F Auditee Advisories and one overturned failure were reported.

It was reported that there were no lapsed reaccreditation audits this period.

4.0 NEW BUSINESS – CLOSED

Phil Ford introduced the question regarding Computed Tomography (CT). One Subscriber is asking the Task Group if there is a need from this group to put in place a checklist for CT based on the fact that this technique could be used in production for defect assessment rather than just an investigation tool. No specific needs were declared by the Task Group so the general consensus is there is no need to put in place a defined checklist at this present moment but if a need arose the Task Group would look at it again.

5.0 TASK GROUP REVIEW OF AUDITS – CLOSED

Due to difficulties in getting Unrestricted Auditors to travel to Turkey, a proposal to grant a further 90-day extension for Audit #183538 was discussed.

Motion made by David Cohn and seconded by Dale Norwood to grant a further extension of 90 days to audit #183538. Motion passed.

ACTION ITEM: Cath Rush to extend audit #183538 for a further 90 days. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)

Audit #170649 was discussed. Due to fire damage, they were not able to perform a reaccreditation audit at the scheduled time, so an extension, of 90 days, was granted up to October 2018. The scheduled audit was suspended on the 26 th July 2018 because the Auditee was not ready for the audit. Furthermore, the Auditee has not proposed a plan for the date when they will be ready for the audit and when asked could not propose a date when they would be ready.

Motion made by Justin Payne and seconded by Dale Norwood to withdraw the Auditee’s current approval. Two abstentions, Motion passed.

ACTION ITEM: Cath Rush to withdraw the accreditation for audit #170649. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)

Audit #179300 accreditation was suspended due to a fire in the plant. The Task Group has granted several suspensions of 90 days each. A discussion was had to clarify if a further suspension period can be granted or an accreditation withdrawal. The Auditee has shown that their equipment is now in place and they are ready to process parts.

Motion made by Dave Cohn and seconded by Dave Royce to extend the suspension for a further 90 days to allow their Subscriber customer time to carry out an audit. One abstention, Motion passed.

ACTION ITEM: Cath Rush to extend audit #179300 for a further 90 days. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)



6.0 OP 1117 AUDITOR CONSISTENCY – CLOSED

Liz Strano presented the Auditor Consistency report.

Presentation of Auditor observations for targeted Auditors, 11 observations performed over 20 originally targeted and 4 Auditors were interviewed during the Pittsburgh Auditor Conference. The remaining 9 observations are not currently planned for 2018. Liz Strano proposed for 2019 a list of observations based on three parameters: low NCR’s writing, new Auditors and Auditors not observed in the last three years.

Dave Royce questioned if Auditors are encouraged to write more NCR’s based on the parameters used for their assessment. Liz Strano stated no and that there is no quota and no actual numbers of NCR’s are given. In the next year (2019) one of the parameters will change from NCR’s per audit to NCR’s per audit day, this new parameter can be a more suitable means to check the Auditor performance. Moreover, Liz Strano pointed out that the observations should be performed, first, on the red line Auditors and later the others. As an example, the Auditor assessment was presented to highlight the parameters used such as the spider chart and the textual form to be filled. Within the Auditor assessment the parameter “NCR’s per checklist paragraph” was shown with the purpose to check for the potential of Auditor’s lack of knowledge on a specific topic. Questions were raised by David Cohn and Steve McCool to clarify the final Auditor scoring and applied thresholds. Liz Strano replied that the final score shows a general trend at a first glance and any specific evaluation (on a red line Auditor) must be reviewed case by case, a red line Auditor does not mean automatically that he/she has to be observed but that attention must be paid on the parameter out of threshold (i.e. an Auditor can be red because he/she was not observed in three years’ time even if all other parameters are fully in line with the target).

Dave Royce asked if observations can be performed on all Auditors and not only to red line Auditors. Liz Strano replied that this could be a good opportunity, but the time required, and the involvement of the Subscribers before the Nadcap Meeting is a huge constraint.

Phil Ford presented the Task Group Corrective Action Report (TGCAR), issued by a Subscriber to the Task Group to highlight a potential lack of effectiveness of the previous Nadcap audit. The purpose is to investigate the reason behind the NCR not being detected by the previous Nadcap Auditor and to put an action to prevent in place.

David Cohn presented his TGCAR, which addressed an Auditee site that was audited against Boeing requirements provided in the U11 supplements without being at Boeing Supplier listed in Boeing D1-4426 website. Based on these issues, Boeing requested a specific TGCAR be issued.

Steve McCool explained that they had a recent and similar issue with another Auditee where he issued several NCR’s not found during the previous Nadcap audit and that they would be looking at issuing a TGCAR. Furthermore, he pointed out that 55% of the Nadcap audits on Honeywell Suppliers are requiring additional attention to solve some critical issues on Honeywell requirements.

Based on the above, the Task Group was asked to define a way to manage this type of TGCAR.

A suggestion was made to contact AQS/ETG to find a potential solution or proposal on how to manage it. Finally, within the Task Group, David Cohn and Tony Warren were proposed as volunteers in being part of a sub-team to develop a process to manage this TGCAR.

ACTION ITEM: Phil Ford to contact Susan Frailey and Julia Markardt to discuss their method of addressing TGCAR’s. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)

7.0 PRI REPORT / RAIL / NMC METRICS – OPEN

Liz Strano reviewed the New Membership Presentation.



The new Task Group leadership was addressed during the presentation. It was highlighted that a new Chair for Magnetic Particle Testing group is required due to Mike Clark leaving the Task Group.

Liz Strano presented the Staff Report. Auditor candidates are continuously reviewed to increase the actual number of Auditors, which currently stands at 64. It was reported that we are still looking for unrestricted Auditors willing to travel. There are no Auditors in training, the new upgraded Auditors in DDA/CR were presented, there are no Auditor losses since the last Nadcap meeting. New updates, from June, to eAuditNet 2.0 were presented. Audit review cycle time was shown to the Task Group and only Task Group time for reaccreditation audits was yellow due to short time constraints (7 days) which include weekends. It was highlighted that 52 NCR’s were voided by Staff Engineers and Subscribers out of the 932 NCR’s raised during the period. Finally, Liz Strano requested the support of the Task Group, so we could issue the next NDT Newsletter in time for the February 2019 meeting, one was not done for this meeting because of the lack of articles.

Liz Strano presented and discussed the Rolling Action Items List (RAIL).

Phil Ford informed the Task Group that a training course for any Auditee on “how to reduce findings” is being held in parallel at this meeting in eQuaLearn. The course is being presented by Linda Beene and this training is ongoing and, if successful, this can be used for next Supplier Symposium addressing an Auditee’s request at the October meeting.

8.0 CLARIFICATION DATA BASE – OPEN

Andy Bakewell presented the changes to the Clarification Data Base (CDB ) from the June 2018 London meeting hereafter reported.

Discussion took place on the following items related to AC7114/2 (MT):

The need to remove the limit at 10,000µW/cm2 maximum UV-A light (requirement taken in parallel to the AC7114/1) and this point will be considered for the next checklist revision.

The need to label or trace all containers (tanks/drums/bulbs) with the material and batch number as required in AC7114/1, as a general consensus, no clear requirement is reported in ASTM E1444 but a potential need to trace the material used on any specific equipment was considered. In fact, question no. 3.2.1 states just the need to trace the manufacturer’s certification within the compliance assessment guidance (CAG) but nothing regarding the traceability of the material in use in each equipment working on the shop floor. Some other discussions were raised involving the representativity of the reference sample (done with batch A) to be compared with a different batch B in use so; for a comprehensive final evaluation, this item was clarified to be sent to the Magnetic Method Team for further analysis.

AC7114/9 and AC7114/10 were updated from the Nadcap June 2018 meeting in London.

Reminder to new attendees that they have access to this in eAuditNet.

As a final discussion to CDB, Andy Bakewell reported the discussion taken from the last June meeting related to the radiographic densitometer, question 5.11.6, the full-scale linearity mentioned in the question means probably of all steps of the density strip tablet, but this can lead to a misunderstanding looking at ASTM E1079 requirements for calibration/verification (three steps). Based on this it was proposed to incorporate this item in the CDB. No agreed output was achieved by the Task Group, so this item is put in the hands of the Radiography Method Team to discuss in detail about the possibility to put a CAG under the question.

ACTION ITEM: Phil Ford to add the question to the DCS for AC7114/4. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)



9.0 SUPPLIER REPORT & DISCUSSION – OPEN

Gary White presented the Supplier Support Committee (SSC) Task Group Report.

10.0 REVIEW OF PROCEDURE CHANGES – OPEN

Liz Strano presented the summary of changes to PRI procedures:OP1106 “Audit Report Processing” rev 17-Jul-2018 was reviewed.OP1108 “Pre-assessment audit process”: no substantial changes to the process.OP1110 “Audit Failure and Risk Mitigation” rev 28-Aug-2018 was reviewed.

11.0 VOTING MEMBER UPDATES & COMPLIANCE WITH VOTING REQUIREMENTS – OPEN

The following requests for additions or changes to voting membership were received and confirmed by the Task Group Chairperson pending verification of PD 1100 requirements:

Subscriber Voting Member: UVM Supplier Voting Member: SVM Alternate: ALT Task Group Chairperson: CHR Vice Chairperson: VCH Secretary: SEC

All changes are pending completion of all required steps on the Nadcap Membership Form (m-frm-01).

New Voting Members:

First Name

Surname Company Position:

(new / updated role)

Meetings Attended(Month/Year)

Ralph Duff Bombardier Subscriber Voting Member

June 2018 Oct 2018

Thomas Totten Bombardier ALT Subscriber Voting Member

June 2016 June 2018

John Iley Airbus ALT Subscriber Voting Member

June 2018 Oct 2018

Nicolas Garrigou Safran ALT Subscriber Voting Member

June 2018 Oct 2018

Martha Cordova Boeing ALT Subscriber Voting Member

Oct 2017 Oct 2018

Hendrich Lim Tao Kwan

Rolls Royce Singapore

Subscriber Voting Member

Oct 2016 Oct 2017

Stuart Wroot Leonardo Helicopters

ALT Subscriber Voting Member

Feb 2014 June 2014

Justine Byers Pratt & Whitney Canada

ALT Subscriber Voting Member

May 2014 Oct 2018



Motion made by Frederic Girard and seconded by Dave Cohn to accept changes to Subscribers Voting Membership. Motion passed.

Motion made by Gary White and seconded by Dave Mitchell to accept changes to Supplier Voting Membership. Motion passed.

Voting Membership in Jeopardy: The following people had their voting membership in jeopardy due to not meeting requirements – All requirements waived per chair.

First Name

Surname Company Position:


Meetings Attended(Month/Year)

Don Klein Arrow Gear Supplier Voting Member

Feb 2017 Oct 2017

Grant Lilley Doncasters Southern Tool

Supplier Voting Member

Oct 2017 June 2018 **formerly supplier voting member for Meyer Tool

Jeff Davis Lord Corporation


Oct 2017 Oct 2018

David Beard PCC Airfoils Supplier Voting Member

Oct 2017 Oct 2018

Alexander Melton Delta Tech Ops Supplier Voting Member

Oct 2017 Oct 2018

Steve Urquizo Cassavant Assembly


Oct 2017 Oct 2018

Shelly Lawless Meyer Tool Supplier Voting Member from ALT Supplier Voting Member

Oct 2017 Oct 2018

Eric Shaw Hexcel Corp. ALT Supplier Voting Member

Oct 2017 Oct 2018



Changes to Voting Memberships Since the Last Meeting:

First Name Surname Company Ballot Response Met (Y/N)

Meeting Attendance Met (Y/N)

Doug Fowers Barnes Advanced Fabrications

Missed 2 consecutive

Ballots

Waive per chair

Mark Airey Robert Stuart Ltd Missed 2 consecutive

Ballots

Waive per chair

Brian Yetman Hi Tech Metal Finishing

Waive per chair If not attending 10/2018 has missed 3

consecutive meetings

Steve Radelich Jorgensen Forge Corp



Sean Wood Triumph Group, Inc. - Vought

Division



Justin Bearden Triumph Group, Inc. - Vought

Division



Philippe Barre Bombardier Missed 2 consecutive

Ballots

Waive per chair



First Name Surname Company Position:


Mark Antonellis BAE Systems Inc Removed from Task Group

Mike Clark Sikorsky Removed from Task Group

Grant Lilley Meyer Tool Removed as Supplier Vote Member

Dave Royce Pratt & Whitney Chairperson role – stepping down 10/2018

Tony Warren Airbus Change role from Vice Chair to Chairperson 10/2018

Steve McCool Honeywell Change role from Secretary to Vice Chair 10/2018

Fabrizio Montagnoli Leonardo Helicopters Assume role of Secretary 10/2018

Motion made by Dave Royce seconded by Dave Cohn to nominate Tony Warren as new Task Group Chairperson. Motion passed.

12.0 TECHNICAL ISSUES AND OPEN DISCUSSION ITEMS – OPEN

Phil Ford discussed a request for a potential Visual Testing checklist to be prepared. An e-mail was sent to Subscribers and the feedback was favorable. At the February 2019 Nadcap meeting in New Orleans, the proposed Visual Testing checklist will be presented for discussion and to see if there is sufficient mandate to move forward.

Christopher Andersen requested clarification on his role as Corporate Level 3 overviewing many sites and the response to question 5.5.3 of AC7114 by the Auditors. It was stated that his name can be written in 5.5.3 as an external Level 3 covering more than one facility and that this is clearly defined in the compliance assessment guidance. Christopher Andersen asked if this point can be clarified with the Nadcap Auditors to avoid repeating the same discussion at each facility at every audit.

ACTION ITEM: Phil Ford to add to the Auditor Conference agenda for 2019. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)

A discussion took place on AC7114/10 Question 6.2.1.3 regarding the calibration of the working light meter being compared to another calibrated (traceable to NIST or other National Standard) light meter. It was stated that the primary light meter certification was not traceable to NIST, as required in the compliance assessment guidance. It was agreed that the compliance assessment guidance did address other National Standard, but this needs to be clarified by the method group. The question is to be added as an item of discussion in the DCS for further clarification.

ACTION ITEM: Phil Ford to add to AC7114/10 DCS. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)

Phil Ford introduced the question of UV-A LED battery powered lamps connected to the mains, are they classified as mains or battery powered, just when removed from the mains? The proposal was to put this item in the Clarification Data Base. Andy Bakewell replied that the use of this type of lamp configuration has to be clarified in the local



procedure of the Auditee, in any case, his feeling is that battery power lamps connected to the mains should not be considered as battery lamps but as conventional lamps connected to the mains, additional consideration was highlighted in the case there is a failure of the general mains power, where these lamps then become used as battery powered so there is a potential need to think about it. The general consensus was that the use of battery power lamps connected to the mains must be procedurally defined in the Auditees procedure. It was finally agreed to report this item to the DCS, so the Penetrant and Magnetic Method Group can make any further analysis either to add a dedicated compliance assessment guidance, to change/improve the relevant question.

ACTION ITEM: Phil Ford to add to AC7114/1 and /2 DCS. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)

Phil Ford pointed out another item of discussion related to UV-A light meters, the checklists AC7114/1 (5.13.1) and AC7114/2 (5.4.1) require a spectral sensitivity of the digital meter to be between 320nm and 400nm, some equipment manufacturers are providing meters with a spectral sensitivity in the range 315nm and 400nm. Phil Ford asked if these meters could be considered acceptable? Andy Bakewell clarified that the requirement reported in the checklist came from ISO3059, in any case the actual LED lamps have a narrow band so the sensitivity to this spectrum should be acceptable (more than the required range) and he asked if it is a real issue. This item of discussion was tabled to wait for Andy Bakewell who will gather more details and for further discussion.

ACTION ITEM: Andy Bakewell to investigate if 315nm to 400nm range is acceptable. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)

Phil Ford presented an issue regarding high amperage direct current magnetic bench units that were thyristor controlled or silicon rectifier controlled that had issues in obtaining the correct results when being tested with the Ketos or AS5282 rings. It is being reported that several Auditees are having issues trying to obtain the correct number of holes, as per ASTM E1444 and AC7114/2 section 6, at low current values. This was discussed, and it was stated that this is an issue when using high amperage benches at lower current values, but this issue vanished when high current values were used, this was down to the thyristor controlled or silicon rectifier controlled unit. The only option is for the Auditee to baseline their rings rather than use the tables in the checklist or ASTM, if allowed by their customers or use a lower amperage bench.

Phil Ford introduced the new Nadcap Management Council (NMC) action to prepare a basic NMC checklist to be released in first/second quarter 2019. This checklist will incorporate all actual questions included in the AC7114 related to self-audit, corrective actions and “quality” question; these questions will be removed from the AC7114 checklist. Within this new checklist, the NMC want 3 questions pertaining to “process change management” to be included and the NDT Task Group was asked to discuss these new questions. NMC states that these three questions cannot be answered as “NA” by the NDT Task Group, unless they can provide a valid reason as to why. David Gray stated that all the changes to the NDT processes are already controlled and managed by the Level 3, so there would be no need for any further “process change management” questions. Dave Royce supported David’s point proposing to add in the CAG under the Level 3 responsibility the need to inform his/her Customer about any relevant change of equipment. Phil Ford tried to clarify better what the Level 3 should consider to be declared as a “process change”. Justin Payne stressed the fact that these questions are fully covered by NDT Level 3 and are the responsibility of the Level 3, while other commodities do not have a similar identified person who can take care of these issues and it would be redundant of the numerous questions asked in the NDT checklist already. The agreed proposal was to go back to NMC to consider “NA” applicable also for NDT commodity based on the above. Dave Royce asked if the existing checklist has a question related to the change of the equipment or piece of equipment in support of this scenario and he would like to address this item in the checklist somewhere to ask the Auditees to notify and to control any changes in the process to their Customer. Phil Ford



proposes to put a dedicated question under “Level 3 responsibility”. Dave Royce confirmed he is willing to write something to ask for documentation of the approved changes to maintain traceability in the way that AC7114 is comprehensive, covering the scope, leaving “NA” in the NMC proposed checklist.

Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Dave Mitchell to go back to NMC to propose that “NA” is also applicable to NDT commodity based on the fact that what is being asked for is already performed by NDT L3 in depth, under his/her typical duties, adding eventually a CAG/question for this purpose. Two abstentions. Motion passed.

ACTION ITEM: Phil Ford to work with Steve McCool on a response back to the NMC with regards to their questions. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)

13.0 NEW BUSINESS – OPEN

Phil Ford raised the issue related to the expectations for the digitization of exposed film, done just for storage purposes. This is being requested because the actual AC7114/4 does not include any specific requirements and many Auditees are looking at digitization of radiographs to improve storage and reduce costs. It was agreed that the AC7114/4 Method Team will consider this item based on available standard and Subscriber requirements. As an example, PWA and Honeywell approve digitizing films for storage purpose under specific requirements.

ACTION ITEM: Phil Ford to add questions to the Document Change Spreadsheet ready for discussion at the next method group meeting. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)

Andy Bakewell shared with the Task Group an issue found during the use of a TAM panel: at an Auditee site, the TAM panel photo showed four indications and, for a short period of time, the fifth one appeared as a visible tiny indication. An investigation was performed, taking into account all the parameters/variables, and then the fifth indication was no longer visible on the panel. Andy Bakewell asked the Task Group if the recording of four indications (photo) then five for a short period and later back to four can be considered an evidence for an NCR. The agreed conclusion was that no NCR is issued if the temporary change is investigated by the relevant Level 3 and adequate documentation is put in place to explain the reason for the temporary anomaly.

ACTION ITEM: Phil Ford to add a question to the Document Change Spreadsheet to address the item in a compliance assessment guidance. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)

14.0 AD HOC TEAM BREAK OUT SESSION – OPEN

Liz Strano introduced the Ad Hoc Team presentation.

No changes to the Supplier Symposium Adhoc Team.

Dave Gray asked if something is in place to answer the Supplier need “how not to get an NCR”. eAuditNet shows the Top 5 NCR’s but nothing on how to avoid them. Phil Ford explained that during the Pittsburgh meeting Linda Beene is doing a class dedicated for this purpose. Alexander Melton attended the class and explained that the content was very good, and Linda explained how to avoid NCR’s, how to resolve them and furthermore she made a good introduction on how to be an efficacious internal Auditor of NDT processes. Alexander advised that 3 hours in the classroom is not enough for the class and he would like to add an additional 1 hour to be more helpful. Phil Ford is going to try to arrange a full morning session for free during the next closed meeting held in New Orleans in February 2019, so that Auditees can attend without any schedule issue. Dave Gray asked the PRI Staff to send an advance notification of this training. Further clarification was given by Phil Ford as it may not be possible to schedule the symposium for February as all the classes will have been scheduled already so it may have to wait till June 2019.



ACTION ITEM: Phil Ford to check if there is room and capability for the February 2019 meeting and if not, could it be started at the June 2019 meeting in Paris. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)

15.0 AD HOC TEAM REPORT OUT – OPEN

UK Board and French Boards are planning the audits for the AC7114/11. Other NANDTB, such as the Italian and Romanian, are in the position to plan the official audit. Based on the actual advisories, Boards not yet audited are providing examinations without any issue, as experienced for Italy. The checklist AC7114/11 is well suited for NANDTB controlling the centre of examinations. Outside agency and NANDTB doing directly examinations are to be audited using AC7114/12 checklist. This checklist is in preparation and its first draft will be ready within next month for NDT Task Group ballot and later NMC ballot. It is reminded that in case of broad based exam, the expectation is that the Auditor looks at both the specific and practical examinations.

16.0 METHOD TEAMS & DOCUMENT CHANGE SPREAD SHEET – OPEN

Liz Strano presented the “Method Teams”.

• AC7114/2: Jim Graves proposed himself as Chair of the AC7114/2 Method Team and Dave Royce asked to be part of this team, both being Subscribers.

• AC7114/3: Alban Bakia asked to be included in the AC7114/3 Method Team as a Supplier.

• AC7114/4: Gary O’Neill to be removed from the AC7114/4 Method Team and Dave Royce asked to be added to the team as a Subscriber.

• AC7114/5: Tracy Alger asked to be added to the AC7114/5 Method Team as a Supplier.

• AC7114/13: Harry Hahn and Fabrizio Montagnoli asked to be added to the Etch Method Team as Subscribers.

AC7108/2: The Chemical Processing Task Group and NDT Task Group have agreed to split the actual checklist into two, one for chemical process (the existing AC7108/2), then AC7114/13 for training and qualification of personnel and to address the inspection of parts. It was reported that there will be no increase in time/cost of the audit for the management of both checklists AC7108/2 and AC7114/13.

Motion made by Dave Cohn and seconded by Justin Payne to accept the above changes to the Methods Group Teams. Motion passed.

Liz presented Document Change Spreadsheet (DCS) Comment Review:

AC7114: 5.3.17 to the sub-team; 4.3.1 not persuasive; 5.1.17 strike the question.

AC7114/1, AC7114/2, AC7114/3, AC7114/4, AC7114/5, AC7114/7, AC7114/9, AC7114/10 were reviewed and all actions accepted. AC7114/10 will have a method team discussion to address all question in the DCS early December.

Motion made by Dale Norwood and seconded by Sean Wood to accept the above discussed changes. Motion passed.

ACTION ITEM: Phil Ford to ensure the AC7114/10 checklist items on the DCS are discussed in December. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)



17.0 METHOD TEAM REPORT OUT – OPEN

Steve McCool encouraged that each Method Team Chair explains, during the next Nadcap meeting, the activities/discussions managed during the Method Teams WebEx, to give the opportunity to everybody to be aware of the activities that took place. Andy Bakewell suggested to put in place a sort of format to be used for this purpose to avoid it becoming not profitable. It was discussed that in case the Chair cannot attend the Nadcap meeting, he/she can delegate this short explanation to any other member of the Method Team.

18.0 REPORT OUT OF PLANNING & OPERATIONS MEETING – OPEN

Steve McCool reported out on the Planning & Operations meeting covering, Auditee Languages, Auditees who do not have Subscriber customers, Merit Standardization, NMC Checklist, Auditor Consistency and the new spreadsheet developed to enable the Task Group to assess issues quicker, the relocation of the Auditor Handbook where applicable and the failure process.

19.0 REPORT OUT ON THE SSC MEETING – OPEN

Gary White provided a presentation and update on the Supplier Support Committee (SSC) Meeting.

20.0 REPORT OUT ON THE AQS LIAISON MEETING – OPEN

Dave Cohn reported out on the Aerospace Quality System (AQS) meeting and stated that there were no issues for NDT.

21.0 REPORT OUT ON THE AUDITOR CONFERENCE – OPEN

Phil Ford reported out on the Auditor Conference held on Monday the 22nd October.

22.0 DEVELOP AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY 2019 MEETING – OPEN

Steve McCool discussed planning for February 2019 meeting.

Discussion to maintain meeting schedule in February for 2 ½ days (such as Tuesday, Wednesday and ½ day on Thursday).

Andy Bakewell proposed to add in the next agenda a session on “Ask the Staff Engineer” to leave a certain amount of time available to share questions/information within the Task Group which could be helpful for everybody.

Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Richard Gasset to plan next meeting in February for 2 and ½ days. 1 opposition. Motion passed.

ACTION ITEM: Phil Ford to generate the February 2019 Agenda. (Due Date: 29-Oct-2018)

23.0 RAIL & CLARIFICATION DATA BASE REVIEW – OPEN

Andy Bakewell reviewed the open items for the RAIL and new items to the CDB. Phil Ford stated that the RAIL would be updated with all the action items from this meeting once the minutes were ready.

ACTION ITEM: Cath Rush to update the RAIL. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)

24.0 MEETING FACILITATION – OPEN

Steve McCool reviewed the meeting facilitation feedback as several comments were made, the room’s acoustics were terrible, and we should use a different room for the next conference, it was very difficult to hear no matter what level the microphones were set at. A request was made for the third microphone to be set at a stand in the back of the room. Also, to get a face/head



microphone for Tony Warren for the next conference dedicated to him. We would need a bigger room with more chairs and twice we had to have hotel staff bring in more chairs. Liz Strano added to please preregister so that we know the number of attendees to expect so the chairs would not be an issue. There was also a request for intermediate monitors to be used in the room similar to those used in the NMC meeting Thursday morning.

ACTION ITEM: Phil Ford to request microphones etc. for the next meeting. (Due Date: 29-Nov-2018)

ADJOURNMENT – 25-Oct-2018– Meeting was adjourned at 11:45 am.

Minutes Prepared by: Fabrizio Montagnoli, [email protected]

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