pages from ml12052a107 - foia pa-2011-0118, foia pa-2011-0119, foia pa-2011-0120 - resp 43 - partial...

8/2/2019 Pages From ML12052A107 - FOIA PA-2011-0118, FOIA PA-2011-0119, FOIA PA-2011-0120 - Resp 43 - Partial - Group

1/12

1231 (CONFERENCE CALL INITIATED)2 a.m.3 MR. VIRGILIO: Good morning Steve.4 MR. TRAUTMAN: How are you doing Marty?5 MR. VIRGILIO: A little tired but okay.6 How are you?7 MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes, I'm a lot tired8 myself in fact. Hey, I know that our folks that9 talked to Mr. Weber earlier today --

I0 MR. VIRGILIO: I was in the room.11 MR. TRAUTMAN: Okay good. I know they12 gave you some data points that we got from Ronald13 Reagan.14 MR. VIRGILIO: Yes.15 MR. TRAUTMAN: We got an additional one.1 MR. VIRGILIO: Okay.17 MR. TRAUTMAN: The ship was out, we18 thought they were getting further away from port and19 they went up to 130 miles or from th e plant, and we20 were still reading a direct gamma shine of 0.621 millirem per hour, and I am still working on th e --22 th e exact ship position and in fact we just got an23 additional data point from them that is in longitude24 and latitude and we are busy patching that to NARAC25 r ight now so they can update th e plots for all of us

NEAL R.GROSSCOURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS

1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.com


2/12

1241 as part of this process.2 MR. VIRGILIO: Okay. Are you doing back-3 calculations or is somebody doing back-calculations4 on that dose?5 MR. TRAUTMAN: Back-calculations to th e6 source?7 MR. VIRGILIO: Yes.8 MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes, we are -- frankly9 th e answer to that is yes, but we are not -- we have

10 not done it yet. We are not used to , frankly,11 dealing with th e intermediate age here. We have got12 a reactor that has been shut down for three days and13 so we are having to do a little bit more math than14 we would normally do in getting to that, but we are15 working that, yes.16 MR. VIRGILIO: Okay. Is there -- there17 is some central source, (inaudible) back to IMAC18 (phonetic).19 MR. MCDERMOTT: IMAC does the -- this is20 Brian McDermott -- yes, IMAC does th e plot. When we21 have exercises and we practice with them, usually22 our protective measures team generates th e source23 term and provides it to IMAC, but whatever data you24 have in terms of field data, if we can provide that25 to our technical measures team, they should be able




3/12

12512345

78

1

12

13

14

15

1617i81920

2122232425

to do a back-calculation just to at least give ussome damage assessment.

MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes, well they shouldhave -- like I said, you already had four datapoints from us earlier today --

MR. MCDERMOTT: Okay.MR. TRAUTMAN: with different times, so

if you can --MALE PARTICIPANT: How is that

communicated to us?MR. TRAUTMAN: That was via th e phone

conversation with Admiral Donald and Mr. Weber, iswhat I was told.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Let's go over thosefour data points and let's just make sure we havegot them, if you have got them handy.

MR. TRAUTMAN: I do. This was a -- thiswas let's see, at 100 nautical miles, I had threethings. We had 7.5 --

MR. VIRGILIO: Hey, hang on a secondSteve.

MR. TRAUTMAN: Okay.MR. VIRGILIO: Kathryn, this is naval

reactors at --MS. BROCK: Oh, we were just trying to


1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.cCOm


4/12

1261 call them.2 MR. VIRGILIO: Okay, we have got three3 data -- four data points now --4 MS. BROCK: Okay.5 MR. VIRGILIO: Do you want to come up6 to th e table? I'm sorry Steve. Could you go ahead7 and start again. At 100 nautical miles --8 MR. TRAUTMAN: Hundred nautical miles9 with a portable air sample beta gamma, we were

10 reading 7.5 times 10 to th e minus 9 th microcuries11 per milliliter.12 MR. VIRGILIO: Say th e number again.13 MR. TRAUTMAN: 7.5 times 10 to th e minus14 9 th microcuries per milliliter, air sample.15 MR. VIRGILIO: Okay.16 MR. TRAUTMAN: At --17 MALE PARTICIPANT: Do you have a time on18 that?19 MR. TRAUTMAN: Oh -- yes, I have got to20 go determine -- I have a 1300 but that must be local21 time. Do you remember -- when you passed those were22 those local time sir? You didn't pass that. Okay.23 Then at 1430, essentially th e same24 distance, we had three times to th e minus nine25 microcuries per milliliter and then again at 1700 it




5/12

1271 was back up to 7.5.2 MR. VIRGILIO: And what was th e third3 time, 1700?4 MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes.5 MR. VIRGILIO: A ll at 100 nautical6 miles?7 MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes. And what we were8 getting is our APDs (phonetic) are going and then we

did portable air samples as part of that process.10 MR. VIRGILIO: Okay, so now th e11 additional data point that we have --12 MR. TRAUTMAN: Was at 130 nautical13 miles.14 MR. VIRGILIO: And th e time?15 MR. TRAUTMAN: I don' t have that. I'll16 have to get you th e time and I'm also I have got17 another data point as well.18 MR. VIRGILIO: Okay, and that was 0.619 millirem per hour?20 MR. TRAUTMAN: Correct, from beta gamma21 shine that was actually pointing at th e sky.22 MS. BROCK: Wait, that was th e one that23 was at 130 miles?24 MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes.25 MS. BROCK: Okay. Do you have a




6/12

1281 germanium counter so that you can put th e air sample2 on that?3 MRz TRAUTMAN: Not on board ship. We4 have airlifted them to Atsugi and we are sending it5 down to our facility in Yokosuka where there is a6 germanium detector but I don' t have it at th e7 moment.8 MS. BROCK: Okay. What do you think th e9 time frame is?

10 MR. TRAUTMAN: On getting that data?11 MS. BROCK: Yes.12 MR. TRAUTMAN: I suspect we are at least13 six hours away from that, at least .14 MS. BROCK: Okay, thank you.15 MR. TRAUTMAN: Once we get it, we will16 certainly pass it.17 MS. BROCK: (Inaudible) in case you have18 any questions that you need to see a model19 (phonetic, inaudible)20 MR. TRAUTMAN: We are all dumping -- all21 of this data is being passed to th e DOE NARAC site,22 and so with everything, they should be able to start23 hopefully generating some more refined plume plots24 for us .25 MS. BROCK: Okay. But we have been




7/12

1234

E789

10

11

12131415

16171819202122232425

129(inaudible) with them too, so we are working hand inhand as far as (inaudible) models and sources termsand different things.

MR. TRAUTMAN: Okay good.MALE PARTICIPANT: This sample is taken

from an airborne aircraft?MR. TRAUTMAN: No, it was taken on th e

deck of th e Ronald Reagan, U.S. Navy aircraftcarrier.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay. Is it clearlyabove th e deck?

MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes, thisfrom th e ship.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay,

is not coming

I mean, if --it's definitely not in th e cloud.

MR. TRAUTMAN: The answer is it -- well,I don' t know, I'm not sure what you are asking me.This is not a -- we do not have deposition on th eship. This is coming from a cloud.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay.MR. TRAUTMAN: We have nothing

measurable on th e deck.MS. BROCK: Nobody has been

contaminated.MR. TRAUTMAN: Well, that's not true. We




8/12

1301234.5E

1C

78C

10

11

1213141516171819202122232425

had a --MS. BROCK: Oh, there's been

contamination?MR. TRAUTMAN: We had an individual who

was on a Japanese ship that was more directly in th eplume have some contamination on their feet, whichwe did detect as part of th e process. But it was notfrom th e deck on th e aircraft carriers.

MS. BROCK: Okay, I didn't realize that.Okay.

MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes.MR. VIRGILIO: Do you know if that took

place?MR. TRAUTMAN: Well, it wasn't coming

from us. Frankly -- I mean I think they d id ship-toship connection.

MR. VIRGILIO: Good.MR. TRAUTMAN: But more importantly,

what I -- what was supposed to be happening was youguys were going to be connecting with METI so that


1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.coim


9/12

131123456789

10

11

12131415

16171819202122232425

they knew that their -- you know, they had datapoints on th e plume and could take some action toget those ships moved out of th e way.

MR. VIRGILIO: Right.

MR. VIRGILIO: Okay, we have got it. Wehave got it.

MR. TRAUTMAN: Another piece, your guysUlses and Trapp.

MR. VIRGILIO: Yes.MR. TRAUTMAN: Ulses has landed in

Misawa and Trapp is in Narita. Can you tell me whichof those two guys is supposed to be going to th eembassy?

MR. VIRGILIO: Well, Tony is on his wayNEAL R.GROSS

COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.com


10/12

1321 r ight now, we understand.2 MR. TRAUTMAN: Which guy is that?3 MR. VIRGILIO: Tony Ulses.4 MR. TRAUTMAN: Okay. But he is th e guy5 in Misawa, which is north of this event.

MR. VIRGILIO: Right, but we understood7 that the plane had some problems, there was some8 landing gear problems, but that th e plane had been9 repaired. So --

10 MALE PARTICIPANT: So that he should be11 back en route?12 MALE PARTICIPANT: He's on a flight from13 Misawa to Tokyo r ight now.14 MR. TRAUTMAN: Okay, excellent.15 MR. VIRGILIO: And his, I guess1 direction is to get with Ambassador Roos's staff.17 MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes, I mean, I will tell18 you there is -- I ended up talking to th e DCM last19 night because they were clearly trying to reach out20 and touch somebody, and didn' t feel like they had21 anybody to lean on on this business, and I -- that's22 why we had this connection last night and this23 morning, is try to get whoever it was going to be,24 connected with th e Ambassador.25 MR. VIRGILIO: And we also have Jim.


1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005m3701 www.nealrgross.com


11/12

133123456789

10

11

12131415

16171819202122232425

Trapp, who is on th e ground in Narita --MR. TRAUTMAN: Right.MR. VIRGILIO: headed in th e same

direction.MR. TRAUTMAN: Okay, so both are going

to th e embassy at this point?MR. VIRGILIO: I think that's probably

th e best. Let me just stop and ask Mike Schulz.Shall we vector them both to th e embassy at thispoint?

MR. SCHULZ: I think Jim is -- Jim is atth e airport . He is catching a bus to his hotel andwe are trying to link him up with th e people at th eembassy.

MR. VIRGILIO: Good.MR. TRAUTMAN: Okay good. Do you need

th e number there for th e naval attache who theyought to touch base with?

MR. SCHULZ: -MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes, that's correct.MR. VIRGILIO: We have qot his cel l and

6his office number.

MR. TRAUTMAN: All right,(Inaudible)MR. TRAUTMAN: Okay.


1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701

good.

www.nealrgross.com


12/12

134MR. VIRGILIO:

everything we need Steve.MR. TRAUTMAN:

data, which I am sure weperiodically, if we can.

MR. VIRGILIO:to get in touch with you?

MR. TRAUTMAN:this is rather than a briline, is

MR. VIRGILIO:in touch through the day.

MR. TRAUTMAN:thanks Marty.

MR. VIRGILIO:MR. TRAUTMAN:

All right, we have gotThank you very much.

Yes, when I get morewill, we ought to touch

All right, now how best

Our ECC numberdge line, just a

here, anddirect 1'

49All right Steve, we'll be

All right, appreciate it,

All righty. Bye now.

Take care, bye bye.(Conference call concludes)


1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.com202) 234-4433

pages from ml12052a107 - foia pa-2011-0118, foia pa-2011-0119, foia pa-2011-0120 - resp 43 - partial...

Documents