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802.24 Vertical Applications TAG

March 2017 Meeting

Vancouver, BC, Canada

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802.24 Overview

• Officers– TAG Chair:Tim Godfrey– Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Ben Rolfe

• Task Groups– 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey– 802.24.2 IoT TG Chris DiMinico

• 34 Voting Members• Agenda: 24-17-0007-01-0000• Meetings for the Week

– Monday PM2– Tuesday PM2– Wednesday PM2 (2nd hour to join with 802.1 TSN)

• Manual attendance tracking for 802.1 & 802.3 members

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Agenda - 24-17-0007-00-0000

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802.24 Agenda - March 2017, Vancouver, BC, Canada 24-17-0007-00-0000

1 Monday PM2 session1.1 Call session to order, present “Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings”, Quorum Godfrey 5 4:00 PM1.2 Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda Godfrey 5 4:05 PM1.3 Approve January TAG minutes 24-17-0003-00-0000 Godfrey 5 4:10 PM1.4 Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting Godfrey 5 4:15 PM1.5 802.24 Web Page content update, and relationship with Industry Connections Godfrey 30 4:20 PM1.6 802.24.1 Smart Grid Task Group Godfrey 0 4:50 PM1.7

ITU and regulatory itemsGodfrey/Lynch/Kennedy 10 4:50 PM

1.8 Updating SGIP PAP2 Wireless Matrix 24-17-0004-01-sgtg Godfrey 30 5:00 PM1.9

Recess Godfrey 0 5:30 PM

2 Tuesday PM2 session2.1

Call to Order DiMinico 0 4:00 PM2.2

802.24.2 IoT Task Group business DiMinico 0 4:00 PM2.3

802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report Diab 20 4:00 PM2.4

P2413 Liaison Report Winkel 20 4:20 PM2.5

Review and plan IoT white paper development DiMinico 45 4:40 PM2.6

Recess DiMinico0

5:25 PM

3 Wednesday PM2 session3.1 Call to Order Godfrey 0 4:00 PM3.2 Liaison Report from P2030.5 Heile 10 4:00 PM3.3 802.24 closing - action items, plans Godfrey 10 4:10 PM3.4 Move to 802.1 TSN room 10 4:20 PM3.5

Meet with 802.1 TSN on White Paper for Time Sensitive Networks for Grid Modernization Godfrey / Parsons 60 4:30 PM3.6 Adjourn 0 5:30 PM

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Administration• Attendance take on IMAT

– Reciprocal rights for most WGs• Web page

– http://www.ieee802.org/24• Mailing list

– stds-802-24@listserv.ieee.org– 802-24-voters@listserv.ieee.org (voters list)

• Document archive– http://mentor.ieee.org/802.24/documents

• IEEE 802 announcement reflector, stds-802-all@listserv.ieee.org– Send email to listserv@listserv.ieee.org with no subject and with the – following 2 lines appearing first in the body of the message

Subscribe stds-802-allend

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Monday: 802.24 TAG

• Approve January minutes – 24-17-00003-00-0000

• TAG Action Items:– Tim will post reminder for contribution on IoT to reflector

• Done– Ludwig will post Word version 24-15-36r1

• Done – 24-17-0005r0

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Web Page Review

• http://www.ieee802.org/24/

• How can we make the page more informative and useful?

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Industry Connections Process

• IEEE-SA has created an Industry Connections activity, with an initiation process:– ICAID: Industry Connections Activity Initiation

Document• References

– http://standards.ieee.org/develop/indconn/activities.html

– https://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/iccom/iccom_opsman.pdf

– Tutorial on IC in 802 by John D’AmbrosiaSlide 8

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Discussion points

• 802.24 has been asked to consider how its work relates to Industry Connections:– Should there be a relationship between

802.24 and Industry Connections?• Formal or informal?

– Is there a benefit for broader connection and exposure within IEEE-SA?

– Could IC help our projects with better coordination?

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Publicizing White Paper Releases

• Press Releases– Standards association newsletter– External press releases– Emulate what 802.1, 802.3 are doing– External publications, conferences, etc

• Liaison reports to WGs– Include relevant details from external liaisons– Expand liaisons to 802.1 and 802.3

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Monday 802.24.1Smart Grid TG

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ITU and Radio Regulatory Items

• No regulatory items related to 802.24 currently known.

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Update of PAP2 Wireless Matrix• History:

– Latest version 802.24-17-0004r1

• SGIP Study Group has been formed for Matrix update– 802.24 will provide updated data for 802

standards

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Update Plan

• Owners for updating (in coordination with WGs)– 802.16 column

• Tim Godfrey, Harry Bims. – Remove 16m (done)– Add 16s (in process)

– 802.11ah• Yongho delegated to Alfred Asterjadhi• Question identified about spectrum efficiency to be investigated

– 802.15.4 column (Ruben Salazar)• Done

– 802.22 – Column received from Apurva incorporated into 24-17-0004r2

• Any drafts listed in matrix need to be publically available.

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Notes on Editing

• Y23: Need to determine spectral efficiency and formula

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Tuesday 802.24.2IoT TG

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Monday: 802.24.2

• 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report– Wael Diab

• IIC Liaison Report• Any new liaison requests

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802.24.2

• P2413 Liaison Report– Ludwig Winkel

• Relationship to 24.2 IoT White Paper– Can be use to explain to the 802 community

how 802 fits into the overall IoT architecture

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802.24.2

• Review and plan IoT white paper development– Chris DiMinico

• Discussion on IoT White Paper Draft– 24-15-36r1

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Wednesday 802.24.1Smart Grid TG

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Wednesday Items• P2030.5 Liaison Update (Bob Heile)

– Sponsor Pool forming

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802.24 White paper on TSN

• Ethernet operation to provide time bounded or deterministic services.

• How can this be applied in utility applications?– Substation networks– Interconnection between LAN and WAN

• The requirement comes from specific applications:– Starting point was Audio/Video, and industrial automation, and now entering automotive– Now the TSN capability is application agnostic– Automotive is an emerging application – replace CAN, Flexray, etc.

– There is also ring topology for redundancy

• Questions:– Is utility protection application considered for TSN? – Today there is some use of proprietary real-time Ethernet variants. – GOOSE protocols– Synchrophasor applications

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Plans for TSN white paper

• IEC TC 57 Collaboration• TSN specified in 61850 through IEC

– IPV6 is also being adopted into 61850– OPC Foundation, ODBA are adopting TSN

(and also use 61850)– IEC TC57 is developing profiles for use of

TSN. • Profiles for application domains.

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Outline of TSN white paper

• Captured as 802.24-17-0006r0• https://mentor.ieee.org/802.24/dcn/17/24-17-0006-

00-sgtg-tsn-utility-applications-white-paper.docx

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Development

• Text contributions to the outline were requested by reflector

• Review any contributions

• Continue call for contributions

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802.24 TAG closing

• Capture action Items from this meeting

• Any New Business?

• Adjourn to 802.1 TSN

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Future Opportunities Tracking (1)

• 802.24 white paper on IoT and P2413? – Maybe more towards completion of

P2413? – Agnostic to underlying communications,

but applicable to all 802 standards. – Highlight the relationship between P2413

and 802 standards.

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Future Opportunities Tracking (2)• 802.15.12 ULI

– Eventually, we can explain how it relates to the rest of 802, and better integration. Well defined ways of integrating.

– Take this up when there is a draft

• 802.15.4s SMR – spectrum management resources– Can 802.24 provide an input with respect to Smart Grid or IoT? – IEC 65C WG 17 dealing with coexistence management and spectrum policy– ETSI TCRRS reconfigurable radio systems– ETSI TCERM WG 41 – defining a central coordination point to handle spectrum.

• Sharing and increasing coexistence and providing better QoS • Coordinate with 802.22.3• Action Plan:

– Coordinate with ULI initiative– 4s resource management is defined, but now how they are used– White paper could cover how adaptation and resource management are accomplished.– Including use of metrics for management.

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Future Opportunities Tracking (3)

• Are there any new utility industry activities or organizations that could benefit from a liaison to 802.24?– Useful Output: Identify the use cases that the

standards serve, and provide them to the industry.• That can then define who is an appropriate liaison

– Need to educate and inform liaisons to gather needs and requirements with respect to IEEE 802 projects. Identify the tools we have available, and present the available toolbox.

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Other Future Opportunities

• Monitor the LPWAN IG in 802.15 to see where it goes (and links to IETF)

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