private hearing - zhang

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ROYAL COMMISSION INTO TRADE UNION

GOVERNANCE AND CORRUPTION

Level 19, 55 Market Street, Sydney, NSW, 2000

On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 at 2pm

PRIVATE HEARING

JIANQIU ZHANG

Before the Commissioner: The Hon. John Dyson Heydon AC QC

Counsel Assisting: Ms Sarah McNaughton SC

Mr Thomas Prince

Instructed by: Minter Ellison, Solicitors

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THE COMMISSIONER: Yes, Ms McNaughton.

MS McNAUGHTON: Yes, this is a private hearing with the

witness Jianqiu Zhang.

THE COMMISSIONER: Mr Joseph, you appear for the witness?

MR JOSEPH: I do --

THE COMMISSIONER: Yes.

MR JOSEPH: -- with your leave or authorisation,

Commissioner.

THE COMMISSIONER: I've granted that earlier today.

MR JOSEPH: One other issue, Commissioner. There's

Ms Zhao, who I would like, if possible, to sit next to me.

Mr Zhang's English is very, very limited, and so if I need

to communicate with Mr Zhang, I would need to do that

through Ms Zhao.

THE COMMISSIONER: She's an interpreter, is she, or --

MR JOSEPH: She's not an interpreter. She's an employee,

of one of the companies within Mr Zhang's group.

THE COMMISSIONER: Is there any problem with that,

Ms McNaughton?

MS McNAUGHTON: Well, we have an interpreter booked by the

Commission and, as I understand it, that interpreter is

meant to interpret questions put to the witness by both me

and any by my friend, should that occur.

THE COMMISSIONER: And the answers.

MS McNAUGHTON: And the answers, so it should go in both

directions. So to that extent, it wouldn't be appropriate,

I think, to use another interpreter. It has been raised,

though, that whether or not she could sit next to

Mr Joseph. I don't have a problem with that. If there's

some issue about something that comes up that might need to

be clarified, I can see the utility in that. But in terms

of the actual interpreting, in my submission, it should be

done through the one official interpreter that we've

booked.

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MR JOSEPH: I'm not suggesting that she interpret,

Commissioner. That's purely for the purpose of assisting

me.

THE COMMISSIONER: But the assistance would come if it

were thought by her there was some deficiency in the

official interpretation; is that the --

MR JOSEPH: Potential.

THE COMMISSIONER: Well, Ms McNaughton, I can't see much

harm in it.

MS McNAUGHTON: No, I can't see any harm in that proposal,

yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: What about the non-publication

direction when it's made? That should extend, obviously,

to everyone in the room.

MS McNAUGHTON: Yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: Now, I can see - yes, I follow. You've

seen this non-publication direction, have you, Mr Joseph?

MR JOSEPH: Sorry, Commissioner?

THE COMMISSIONER: Have you seen this non-publication

direction?

MR JOSEPH: I have.

THE COMMISSIONER: Do we need to accommodate --

MR JOSEPH: Ms Zhao?


MR JOSEPH: Yes, Commissioner, I think. I've explained it

to both, but, yes, probably that would be --

THE COMMISSIONER: I suppose paragraph 1 prohibits

publication or disclosure - that would apply to her - and

paragraph 2 creates various exceptions which don't favour

her, so the direction as it stands is satisfactory. Do you

have a different view? Paragraph 1 binds everyone present,

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including me, Ms McNaughton, Commission staff.

MS McNAUGHTON: Yes, yes, no, that should be sufficient,

yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: Yes, very well. All right. Well,

shall I make that now, then, that non-publication

direction?

MS McNAUGHTON: Yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: I'll make the non-publication

direction, which is in the standard form, and sign it. So

now --

MS McNAUGHTON: I call Mr Zhang.

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MS McNAUGHTON: Thank you.

Q. And what's your occupation?

A. I'm a businessman.

Q. What is the nature of your business?

A. Both developer and a builder.

MS McNAUGHTON: Developer and building?

THE INTERPRETER: Builder.

MS McNAUGHTON: Builder. Thank you.

Q. And do you have a particular company name or names

associated with your business?

A. I don't remember. They're all in English. I don't

remember them.

Q. Do you know the name JQZ?

A. It's mine.

Q. Is that the name of your property development group?

A. Yes.

Q. Did it used to be called the Tong Group?

A. Yeah.

Q. And what is the annual turnover of your business at

the moment?

A. It has increased since 2010, but I don't know the

exact number.

MS McNAUGHTON: Sorry, I didn't quite catch that one.

THE INTERPRETER: The turnover has increased since 2010,

but I do not know the exact number.

MS McNAUGHTON: Q. Give me an approximation?

(Witness and interpreter speaking in Chinese language)

THE COMMISSIONER: Can I just interrupt, just interrupt.

Ms McNaughton's question was a very short, clear, simple

question. I'm not familiar with Mandarin or any other form

of Chinese, but when you translated it, it should have been

a fairly short, clear translation.

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THE INTERPRETER: Yes.

THE COMMISSIONER: The witness should give an answer.

This is not an occasion for conferences between you and the

witness while he says things that no-one else can hear.

So if you can ask that question again, Ms McNaughton,

please.

MS McNAUGHTON: Q. Can you give an approximation?

A. In 2014 it was about $1.5 billion.

Q. Does that relate to business which is taking place in

New South Wales only or other places?

A. No, only in New South Wales.

Q. Can I ask you about a number of names of companies, as

to whether or not you're associated with them. Are you

associated with Southpac Constructions Pty Ltd?

A. I really cannot remember any of the English names,

company names or names of the person.

Q. Who does your registration of companies in New South

Wales?

A. My accountant.

Q. What's their name?

A. Marks. Marks.

Q. Is that a surname or a first name?

A. I only know that this is the way I call him.

Q. Can I ask you this, sir, and noting that it's

a private hearing and we can make sure that these details

are not released, but is your date of birth ?

A. Yes.

Q. Were you born in , or something like that,

China?

A. Yes.

Q. And are you aware whether or not your companies are

registered with the Australian Securities and Investments

Commission?

A. Yeah, I think so.

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Q. And is your address at the moment

?

A. Yes.

Q. And has it been in the past

?

A. Yes.

Q. Can I ask you, sir, when did you start doing business

in New South Wales?

A. Since 2010.

Q. When did you first come to Australia to permanently

reside in Australia?

A. 2010.

Q. And did you commence business in New South Wales in

the building and developing sector?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you go into business on your own account when you

first came to Australia - sorry, to New South Wales?

A. I used a corporate account to do business.

Q. Do you know when you first started to do business of

any type in Australia?

A. 2005.

Q. Could it have been November --

THE INTERPRETER: Sorry.

MS McNAUGHTON: Sorry.

THE WITNESS: I established Tong since 2005.

MS McNAUGHTON: Q. We have records from the company

registration people that says that Tong International Pty

Ltd was registered on 3 November 2004. Does that accord

with your recollection?

A. Yes.

Q. And what was the first type of business you did when

you set up that company in November 2004?

A. It was mainly for the development of new real estate

projects.

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Q. And between 2004 and now, your company has - company

or companies have grown substantially?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you employ workers directly?

A. Yes.

Q. Are your workers members of any union?

A. No.

Q. Do you have any workers who are employed by you that

actually work on building sites?

A. Yes.

Q. And are any of those workers members of any union, to

your knowledge?

A. To my knowledge, some of them belong to the union.

Q. When I first asked you, you said, no, your workers

were not members of a Union. Can you just explain the

difference in that answer and the last answer you gave?

(Witness and interpreter speaking in Chinese language)

THE COMMISSIONER: Now, we're starting to have

a conference. When Ms McNaughton asks a question, you pass

on that question --


THE COMMISSIONER: -- and take an answer. Don't have

a debate about it.

THE WITNESS: Some of the contractors that work for me may

belong to the union, but no-one in my company work for the

union.

MS McNAUGHTON: Q. So no direct employees of your

companies are members of a union; is that right?

A. No.

Q. Is there any reason for that?

A. There is no reason.

Q. How do you know whether or not they're members of

a union?

A. They are my employees. I must know if they - whether

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or not they have joined a union.

Q. Why is that?

A. To my understanding, if any of them wants to join

a union, they - they must be joining at a corporate level,

not at an individual level.

Q. And you indicated before that some of your

contractors, you believe, may have workers who are members

of a union; is that right?

A. I know they are the members of the union.

Q. How do you know that?

A. In the company, they must have told me.

Q. How many people do you say, to your knowledge, who

work for your companies indirectly via a contractor are

members - are a member of a union?

A. So far I know only of two companies that are members

of the union.

Q. And who are they?

A. One is the scaffolding company. I don't know the

company name.

Q. Anyone else?

A. Another is the formwork company.

Q. And how do you come to your understanding that workers

associated with those companies are members of a union?

A. When they sign the contract with me, I know that they

are members of the union.

Q. How does that come into the conversation?

A. It was just a casual conversation through coffees,

a casual exchange.

Q. Are you able to say who you were dealing with in

relation to the scaffolding company and the formworking

company, their names?

A. I can't remember.

Q. Could you try to remember, please?

A. I don't know how to remember. They are all English

names.

Q. So they're not members of the Chinese community, these

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two companies - people?

A. No.

Q. If that's the case, how is it that you are able to

have a conversation with them?

A. I have an interpreter.

Q. Who is your interpreter?

A. Basically all the project managers in my company can

speak both Mandarin and English.

Q. How many project managers do you have in New South

Wales?

A. Five.

Q. What are their names?

A. I don't know how to say their names in English.

Q. Just say them in your language, please?

A. Their names are in English, not in Chinese. (The

witness and the interpreter clarify names). So Louis,

Song, David Zhao, Wu.

MS McNAUGHTON: Louis Song, S-O-N --

THE INTERPRETER: No, no. Four, four - yeah, yeah, four

people. So Louis, first one. Second one, Song. So the --

MS McNAUGHTON: S-U-N-G or S-O-N-G?

THE INTERPRETER: S-O-N-G. I don't know.

MS McNAUGHTON: Song?

THE INTERPRETER: S-O-N-G?

MS McNAUGHTON: Well, don't - if you could just give your

translation of what he said, please.

THE INTERPRETER: Okay. So Song.

MS McNAUGHTON: Soong?

THE INTERPRETER: Yeah.

MS McNAUGHTON: Okay. S-O-O-N-G as a phonetic. Yes?

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THE INTERPRETER: Okay. David Zhao. David spelt the

typical way. Zhao, Z-H-A-O.

MS McNAUGHTON: Thank you.

THE INTERPRETER: Wu, W-U.

MS McNAUGHTON: W-U, yes.

THE INTERPRETER: Yeah.

MS McNAUGHTON: Q. That's four, isn't it? Louis; Song,

or Soong; David Zhao; and Wu. That's four.

A. One resigned.

Q. One resigned, so there's four. So it's any one of

those four that would interpret for you if you had to have

a conversation with a contractor; is that the position?

A. Yes. Except these four people, so anyone who may be

the assistant to these four people, if they can speak both

Mandarin and English, they will interpret for me.

Q. Have you ever had occasion where you've had to speak

to anyone from the CFMEU, the Union, the building union, in

New South Wales?

A. I think so.

Q. And why have you had occasion to speak to someone from

the Union?

A. Just a Chinese person in the Union who can speak

Mandarin.

Q. Is that person called Yulei Zhou, Z-H-O-U?

A. Yes, his last name is Zhou.

Q. Okay. Is his first name Yulei, or U-Y-L-E-I?

THE INTERPRETER: U-Y-L-E-I? Yulei, Yulei Zhou.

MS McNAUGHTON: Sorry, beg your pardon. Y-U-L-E-I.

THE INTERPRETER: Y-U-L-E-I. Oh.

MS McNAUGHTON: Sorry.

THE INTERPRETER: Zhou Yulei.

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THE WITNESS: Yes.

MS McNAUGHTON: Q. Why have you had occasion to speak to

that person?

A. When I first started my company, in the beginning

there was about four or five people that - who I had

a meeting with.

Q. From the Union?

A. Yeah, in Sydney, they were in charge of the building

things.

Q. So that's, you say, when you first started your

company, and that was - do you mean 2010 or do you mean

earlier than that?

A. I think it's around 2011 or 2012.

Q. And where were those people from?

A. From the Union.

Q. All of them?

A. No. About four people.

Q. Were all of the four people from the Union?

A. Yes.

Q. Can you remember, apart from Yulei - well, I withdraw

that. Was Yulei there?

A. Yes. It was in this exact meeting where they've

confirmed they've appointed Yulei Zhou as the person who

will make contact with me because of my inability to speak

English and his ability to speak both English and Mandarin.

Q. Can you recall the identity of anyone else at that

meeting?

A. I didn't know at that time - no, I forgot all of them.

Somebody goes by the name of Brian.

Q. Brian?

A. I only know his English name is Brian, Brian.

Q. Did you understand he held a particular position in

the Union?

A. He was introduced as the boss of the four people.

Q. And have you met him since that time?

A. Yes, about two times. Basically, in a yearly basis,

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we met for - we met twice a year, just drank coffee

together and talk about the things in company that goes in

the business.

Q. Who set up those meetings - you or him?

A. I think - I think in Australia it was - it was

referred to as calling a meeting, but in China it was just

coffee talk.

Q. But who arranged - who called who? Did he call you or

did you call him to set up the coffee talk?

A. I forgot.

Q. Well, why did you want to speak to him?

A. Well, in our company, apart from discussing things

about regulations, safety matters, I have to speak with him

on other things.

Q. What other things?

A. Nothing in particular. Just in areas that we might

still need to catch up, areas that we're not good at.

Q. Could you please explain that more, because I don't

understand what you mean?

A. As a newly established company in Australia,

I understand the importance of following up relevant

regulations and safety concerns and it's important to keep

a good relationship with WorkCover or work union, so

sometimes I may - I may invite him to have a look at my

company to see which areas that may need improvement in the

future because we are - we are a new company in Australia

and we are not familiar with the local regulations and

safety concerns, and I understand there may be the case

that some builder companies do - which do not follow proper

regulations or safety concerns. I'm not that kind of

company. I want to do well in Australia.

Q. We've already seen that the Tong company was set up in

2004, so that's not that new, is it?

A. Yes, with regard to Tong, it was a developer company

and I didn't have my builder company at that time.

I founded the builder company in 2010, and in 2010, at that

time, I realised the importance of following regulations

and safety concerns is because these things are very

important.

Q. And why did you think that talking to Brian from the

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Union would assist you with safety?

A. As I was saying, I didn't specify the person who

needed to be present in my company. I just think it's

important to have people from the Union to come to my

company and maybe instruct us to do some training courses

regarding the importance of regulations and safety

concerns. These things are very important.

Q. And did the Union come to give training?

A. Yes.

Q. Yes?

A. Yes. Just to help us in terms of regulations.

Q. How many times did someone from the Union come to give

training?


Q. Was it once, a hundred times, fifty times?

A. It was - most of the time, it was on-site examination

for my company.

Q. So are you saying that someone from the Union came on

site to do a safety check?

A. Yes.

Q. Can you tell the Commission who that was, if it was

one person or was it different people or what's the

position?

A. I can't remember, including names, which I cannot

name.

Q. Well, for example, did Mr Yulei Zhou come?

A. I think so. Maybe.

Q. When you spoke to Brian twice a year, was

Mr Yulei Zhou there as well?

A. Yes.

Q. Have you entered into an EBA, or an enterprise

bargaining agreement, with the CFMEU - you or your

companies?

A. I don't know.

Q. Have you or your companies ever paid money to the

CFMEU?

A. I don't know what is CMEFU.

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Q. Sorry, the Union, the building union.

A. Yes, we did.

Q. Could I first of all, before I go to that, go back to

the enterprise bargaining agreement. Have you or your

companies entered into any enterprise bargaining agreement

with the building union?

A. To my memory, no.

Q. Have you ever been asked to enter into an enterprise

bargaining agreement with the building union?

A. No.

Q. Has that ever been discussed with Mr Brian Parker or

Mr Yulei Zhou or anyone else from the building union?

A. No.

Q. It's never been discussed?

A. No.

Q. Are you certain about that?

A. To my memory, no.

Q. Do you know what an enterprise bargaining agreement

is?

A. I don't know.

Q. Are you aware of any arrangement that the Union

assists with in ensuring that workers at various building

sites get a minimum wage plus entitlements, like

superannuation and the like?

A. Is it our company or --

Q. Have you ever heard of something like an agreement

where a union gets involved in making sure workers are

guaranteed a particular amount of money and particular

entitlements?

A. I know we all need worker compensation. Apart from

the employees in my own company, I am not aware of the

amount of wages that are given to other subcontractors

outside of my company.

Q. Are you sure that Mr Parker has never discussed your

company, that is, the JQZ company, or any of your other

companies entering into an enterprise bargaining agreement

with the Union?

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A. No.

Q. Sorry, you're sure or it's never happened?

A. No, I've never signed such thing.

Q. Have you ever discussed such a thing with Mr Parker

either through Mr Yulei Zhou or through any other

Chinese-speaking person?

A. No.

Q. You said earlier that you've given money to the

Union - yes?

A. Donations. Yes, donations, yes.

Q. Why have you given donations to the Union?

A. I cannot remember clearly, but I know something.

I remember participating in some kind of events that are

related to the Union and I remember donating $1,000,

$2,000, something like that.

Q. What's the largest amount that you can recall ever

donating to the Union on one occasion?

A. I cannot really remember.

Q. Well, you've named $1,000 or $2,000. Have you ever

donated, to your recollection, more than that?

A. Yes, it must be.

Q. Well, what's the largest that you can recall in terms

of one amount that you've donated?

A. I cannot remember, but I have my accounting records.

Q. Well, can you estimate?

A. I cannot.

Q. Well, you named $1,000 and $2,000. Have you ever

donated substantially more than that amount, or those

amounts?

A. Yeah, more than that. It must be.

Q. Yes, well, if you know that, can you indicate what

that amount is?

A. The exact amount I really cannot remember.

Q. Have you ever donated an amount of $30,000 to the

building union?

A. I - I really cannot remember.

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Q. Can I provide this folder to you?

A. (In English) Yeah, okay.

Q. And I understand that you can't read English - is that

right? Can you read English?

A. No.

MS McNAUGHTON: Well, I'd ask the interpreter to assist

here. Could you please turn to the second-last tab, called

"Donations"? Do you have that?


MS McNAUGHTON: Can I ask you to turn to page 73, bottom

right-hand corner?


MS McNAUGHTON: Q. Do you see there a receipt for

$30,000 to Southpac Constructions Pty Ltd, being for

"Fighting Fund donation"?

THE INTERPRETER: Sorry, 76?

MS McNAUGHTON: Page 73.

THE WITNESS: Everything that's paid in the name of my

company, that must be paid.

MS McNAUGHTON: Q. Well, do you recall whether or not -

first of all, Southpac Constructions is one of your

companies?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you recall whether or not Southpac Constructions

made a donation on or about 14 March 2013 in the sum of

$30,000 to the Construction & General Division, NSW Branch?

That's the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union.

A. 2013, I cannot really remember. But one thing is for

sure, if it's in the name of my company, it must come from

my company.

Q. Do you know why such a donation was made to the Union?

A. I cannot really remember.

Q. Could you try to remember, please?

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A. No, I cannot remember. On what grounds that this

payment was made, I cannot remember.

Q. Can you recall whether or not whether Yulei Zhou asked

you to make a donation on any occasion?

A. Yes. Yes, sometimes the invoice coming to my company,

they come from Yulei Zhou or from the building site, but

for what reason these payments were made, I cannot

remember.

Q. So did Mr Yulei Zhou ask you or your company to make

a donation on more than one occasion?

A. Yes.

Q. And how many occasions?


Q. Well --

A. It must be.

Q. Two occasions, ten occasions?

A. I really cannot remember.

Q. Did you understand that you were required to make

a donation to the Union?

A. Was I required? I thought I need to be consulted with

first before I make a donation.

Q. And were you consulted with first?

A. The circumstances for consultation would be different

on each occasion. So, for instance, for Southpac

Constructions, maybe they have some people asking - asking

for my permission to make the donation. I may agree. And

it was for - it - it might be for some kind of fundraising

events.

Q. Well, the document at page 73, which is up on screen

as well, says it's for a "Fighting Fund donation". Do you

see that?

A. No, I don't remember anything. I know that this is

for the Union, but as to what purpose or to what division

of the Union, I really have no idea.

Q. And could I ask you to look at page 77?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you see there there's two receipts both apparently

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dated 13 December 2013? One's for $2,000 and one's for

$30,000. They're both made out to the "Fighting Fund".

A. What do you mean by "Fighting Fund"?

Q. Well, sir, can I ask you, first of all, to see that

this has been received from SPC Building Constructions Pty

Ltd. Is that one of your companies?

A. Yes.

Q. And you've apparently made, or your company has

apparently made, two donations to the Fighting Fund of the

Union on this day. Do you see that?

A. Yes. If this is in the name of my company, it must

come from my company.

Q. So what did you understand "Fighting Fund" meant?

A. I don't know.

Q. You have no idea?

A. No.

Q. Did you expect anything in return from the Union

because you'd paid these sorts of donations?

A. What? Union can give return to me?

Q. Did you expect anything, any benefit or privilege or

favour, from the Union in return for making these

donations?

A. The only thing we need is the important regulations

and safety concerns, and the Union will do - will perform

its duty to help us in this regard, and what they do

exactly is not my concern and I do not know anything about.

Q. Could I ask you to turn to page 84?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you see there's a tax invoice sent to SPC Building

Constructions Pty Ltd? That's one of your companies?

A. Yes.

Q. And there's a donation, it would appear, or some sort

of money being paid towards "Uniting Ireland, Sinn Fin

Australian Speaking Tour 2014", in the sum of $10,000. Do

you know why your companies - sorry, sir?

A. Does this come from the Union?

Q. It's a tax invoice sent to your company. What do you

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say about it?

A. I don't know.

Q. Do you recall being asked by anyone associated with

the Union to donate $10,000?

A. No, I cannot really remember.

Q. Can you turn to page 83, please? Do you see there an

invoice from the CFMEU to SPC Building Constructions Pty

Ltd, being for "Friends of Sinn Fin donations"? Sorry,

receipt, beg your pardon.

A. No, no, I definitely have no idea of this.

Q. Do you know what - who Sinn Fin are?

A. No.

Q. Well, can you explain why your company appears to be

paying $10,000 towards a tour by someone associated with

Sinn Fin?

A. No, I cannot really remember.

Q. Was it ever discussed with you that having an EBA, or

enterprise bargaining agreement, would mean that you would

have to pay more money for workers?

A. No.

Q. Did the Union or anyone on behalf of the Union ever

indicate to you that they would leave you alone if you

continued to make large donations towards the Union?

A. No, there was no such thing.

Q. Did one of your companies, JQZ Five Pty Limited, ever

sell a unit off a plan to Yulei Zhou?

A. Yes. Yes, I remember this.

Q. How did that come about?

A. Yes, this is something I can remember because I recall

that he saw some marketing advertisements of our company

that promote our project in Meadowbank.

Q. Did your company ever guarantee - your company,

JQZ Five Pty Limited, ever guarantee an amount of money in

relation to the purchase of a unit by Yulei Zhou and, it

would appear, another person?

A. No. Everything was just following the same procedure

of buying, purchasing, our land.

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Q. Could I ask you to look at the last tab in the folder

you have? Do you see there behind that tab a bank

guarantee?

A. Yes.

Q. And do you see that the company at the top is JQZ Five

Pty Limited?

A. Yes.

Q. And security for obligations of Zhou - Yulei Zhou and

another Zhou?

A. I cannot understand English, so I - I cannot read

these documents, yeah.

Q. So it appears there that the bank has provided

guarantee for the purchase by Yulei Zhou of a unit, it

would appear, from JQZ Five Pty Limited?

A. No, I don't remember why the bank gave them the

guarantee.

Q. Do you know whether or not Yulei Zhou moved in to the

unit or whether or not it was onsold or what happened to

the unit?

A. I don't know about this. The only thing I know is

that he purchased the unit from me.

Q. And did he do that directly with you or one of your

staff?

A. He talked to me about this and he went on talking to

my staff about this.

Q. And do you know whether or not he ended up finalising

the purchase of the unit?

A. Yes, I know about this.

Q. How do you know about it, given you're the boss of

a very large group of companies?

A. As long as anything regarding settlement I must be

notified of because I - for example, I have 200 units. If

one of these 200 units does not settle, I must be notified.

If nobody ever reports to me about it, it means all units

are settled.

Q. But do you recall this particular person, this

official of the Union, purchasing of a unit from one of

your companies?

A. Yes, I know. Yulei Zhou purchased from me.

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Q. How many times over the years did you speak to

Mr Yulei Zhou?

A. How could I remember all this? No, I cannot remember.

Q. Well, if you met with Mr Brian Parker, the head of the

Union, twice a year, did you speak to Yulei Zhou more than

twice a year?

A. Yeah, it must be more than the times I met with Brian.

The reason for that is that I cannot communicate with other

members of the Union, due to the language barrier, so

I contact with Yulei Zhou more.

Q. Why did you need to be in contact with the Union?

A. I've told you about this. It's a mutually needed

thing. For me, it was for regulations and safety concerns.

Furthermore, if any irregularity occurs because of our

ignorance on regulations or safety concerns, that may cause

a stoppage on our construction site. I do not want

something like this to happen.

Q. Did the Union ever ask to sign up members of your

workforce to be members of the Union?

A. From my recollection, I've never agreed to something

like this.

Q. Never agreed to it?

A. No.

Q. Have you ever been asked?

A. From my memory, no.

MS McNAUGHTON: Yes, thank you. They're my questions.

THE COMMISSIONER: Any questions, Mr Joseph?

MR JOSEPH: Just one clarification, Commissioner.

Mr Zhang gave an answer to the turnover of the business,

and there may have been a misinterpretation or

communication. The answer, I believe, was one and a half

billion dollars.

THE COMMISSIONER: Yes, that was the answer.

MR JOSEPH: That may have been a miscommunication.

THE COMMISSIONER: By all means, ask a question --

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MR JOSEPH: Sure.

THE COMMISSIONER: -- to see whether there has been.

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THE INTERPRETER: (Speaking for self) So can I just speak

on my behalf? I - I heard him saying something like, maybe

phonetically sounded like "1.5", so you can say it's my

fault of mistranslating what he said, because later he

correct me in Chinese that, "Oh, you made a mistranslation

error. It was $300 million." But I didn't do this

intentionally. So I heard phonetically something like

"1.5", but now he confirmed that this was not the actual

figure. It was 300 - it was not $1.5 billion. It was

$300 million to $500 million. So it was my mistake.


MS McNAUGHTON: Yes, thank you. Actually, just before -

would I be able to ask the witness this?

Q. Would you be able to produce your companies' annual

statements from 2010 through to 2015?

A. Yeah, no problem.

MS McNAUGHTON: Yes, thank you. Thank you.

THE COMMISSIONER: Yes, well, this hearing - oh, yes, we

should, I suppose, mark the --

MS McNAUGHTON: Yes, the folder.

THE COMMISSIONER: Yes. The folder that the witness has

been taken to will be known as Zhang MFI-1 (Confidential).

ZHANG MFI-1 (CONFIDENTIAL) FOLDER THAT JIANQIU ZHANG WAS

TAKEN TO DURING PRIVATE HEARING

MS McNAUGHTON: Thank you. And if the witness could not

be excused formally at this stage, please.

THE COMMISSIONER: Very well. This hearing will now

conclude.

AT 3.26PM THE PRIVATE HEARING WAS ADJOURNED ACCORDINGLY

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discussed [5] - 15:15,

15:19, 15:44, 16:6,

20:22

discussing [1] - 13:15

Division [1] - 17:38

division [1] - 18:41

document [1] - 18:37

documents [1] - 21:13

dollars [1] - 22:41

donate [1] - 20:5

donated [4] - 16:26,

16:30, 16:37, 16:45

donating [2] - 16:18,

16:22

donation [9] - 17:22,

17:37, 17:44, 18:5,

18:12, 18:25, 18:27,

18:33, 19:41

donation" [1] - 18:38

donations [9] - 16:13,

16:15, 17:11, 19:11,

19:23, 19:28, 20:10,

20:29

done [1] - 2:46

drank [1] - 13:1

due [1] - 22:11

DURING [1] - 24:32

duty [1] - 19:31

Dyson [1] - 1:31

E

EBA [2] - 14:40, 20:22

either [1] - 16:7

Ellison [1] - 1:39

employ [1] - 8:5

employed [1] - 8:11

employee [1] - 2:25

employees [3] - 8:38,

8:47, 15:40

ended [1] - 21:32

Energy [1] - 17:39

English [16] - 2:19,

4:34, 5:17, 6:21,

9:44, 10:10, 10:17,

10:20, 11:21, 12:32,

12:40, 17:3, 17:5,

17:6, 21:12

ensuring [1] - 15:30

enter [1] - 15:11

entered [2] - 14:40,

15:7

entering [1] - 15:46

enterprise [7] - 14:40,

15:6, 15:7, 15:11,

15:25, 15:46, 20:23

entitlements [2] -

15:31, 15:38

error [1] - 24:6

established [2] - 7:35,

13:25

estate [1] - 7:45

estimate [1] - 16:33

estimated [1] - 23:9

events [2] - 16:17,

18:35

exact [4] - 5:32, 5:37,

12:29, 16:43

exactly [1] - 19:32

examination [2] -

14:20, 23:16

EXAMINATION [2] -

4:30, 23:6

example [2] - 14:33,

21:39

except [1] - 11:19

exceptions [1] - 3:45

exchange [1] - 9:36

excused [1] - 24:35

expect [2] - 19:22,

19:26

explain [3] - 8:20,

13:23, 20:17

explained [1] - 3:40

extend [1] - 3:19

extent [1] - 2:39

F

fairly [1] - 5:47

familiar [2] - 5:45,

13:32

far [1] - 9:19

fault [1] - 24:4

favour [2] - 3:45,

19:27

fifty [1] - 14:19

Fighting [6] - 17:22,

18:38, 19:2, 19:3,

19:11, 19:16

figure [6] - 23:18,

23:20, 23:29, 23:38,

24:9

finalising [1] - 21:32

financial [1] - 23:25

first [15] - 6:31, 7:13,

7:22, 7:25, 7:43,

8:19, 10:27, 11:36,

12:5, 12:13, 15:5,

17:32, 18:27, 18:29,

19:5

five [3] - 10:14, 12:6,

23:26

Five [4] - 20:32, 20:42,

21:6, 21:17

FOLDER [1] - 24:31

folder [4] - 17:2, 21:1,

24:26, 24:28

follow [2] - 3:24, 13:34

following [3] - 13:26,

13:43, 20:45

Forestry [1] - 17:39

forgot [2] - 12:36,

13:12

form [2] - 4:13, 5:45

formally [1] - 24:35

formwork [1] - 9:27

formworking [1] -

9:39

founded [1] - 13:42

four [13] - 10:26,

11:12, 11:13, 11:16,

11:17, 11:19, 11:20,

12:6, 12:22, 12:24,

12:44

friend [1] - 2:34

friends [1] - 20:10

full [1] - 4:33

Fund [5] - 17:22,

18:38, 19:3, 19:11,

19:16

Fund" [1] - 19:2

fundraising [1] -

18:34

furthermore [1] -

22:17

future [1] - 13:31

Fin [4] - 19:42, 20:10,

20:14, 20:19

G

General [1] - 17:38

given [6] - 15:41,

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16:11, 16:15, 21:36,

23:32, 23:35

GOVERNANCE [1] -

1:14

granted [1] - 2:15

gross [2] - 23:36,

23:41

grounds [1] - 18:1

Group [1] - 5:26

group [3] - 2:26, 5:23,

21:37

grown [1] - 8:2

guarantee [5] - 20:41,

20:42, 21:3, 21:16,

21:19

guaranteed [1] - 15:37

H

half [1] - 22:40

hand [1] - 17:16

harm [2] - 3:13, 3:15

head [1] - 22:6

hear [2] - 4:36, 6:6

heard [3] - 15:35,

24:2, 24:7

HEARING [3] - 1:27,

24:32, 24:40

hearing [4] - 2:3, 6:35,

24:23, 24:37

held [1] - 12:42

help [2] - 14:13, 19:31

Heydon [1] - 1:31

Hon [1] - 1:31

hundred [1] - 14:19

I

idea [3] - 18:42, 19:19,

20:12

identity [1] - 12:34

ignorance [1] - 22:18

importance [3] -

13:26, 13:43, 14:6

important [5] - 13:27,

13:45, 14:4, 14:7,

19:29

improvement [1] -

13:30

inability [1] - 12:31

including [2] - 4:1,

14:30

increased [2] - 5:31,

5:36

indicate [2] - 16:41,

20:28

indicated [2] - 4:23,

9:8

indirectly [1] - 9:17

individual [1] - 9:6

instance [1] - 18:31

instead [1] - 23:46

instruct [1] - 14:5

Instructed [1] - 1:39

intentionally [1] - 24:7

International [1] -

7:38

interpret [6] - 2:33,

3:2, 4:18, 4:43,

11:17, 11:21

interpretation [1] - 3:8

INTERPRETER [23] -

4:36, 4:40, 4:46,

5:11, 5:36, 6:2, 7:31,

8:29, 10:26, 10:31,

10:35, 10:40, 10:44,

11:1, 11:6, 11:10,

11:38, 11:42, 11:46,

17:13, 17:18, 17:24,

24:1

interpreter [13] - 2:23,

2:25, 2:31, 2:32,

2:40, 2:46, 4:22,

5:41, 8:23, 10:6,

10:8, 10:21, 17:9

interpreting [1] - 2:45

interrupt [2] - 5:43

INTO [1] - 1:13

introduced [1] - 12:44

Investments [1] - 6:44

invite [1] - 13:29

invoice [4] - 18:6,

19:37, 19:47, 20:9

involved [1] - 15:36

Ireland [1] - 19:42

irregularity [1] - 22:17

issue [2] - 2:17, 2:43

J

JIANQIU [5] - 1:29,

4:20, 4:34, 4:40,

24:31

Jianqiu [2] - 2:4, 4:34

John [1] - 1:31

join [1] - 9:4

joined [1] - 9:1

joining [1] - 9:5

Joseph [4] - 2:6, 2:42,

3:25, 22:35

JOSEPH [16] - 2:8,

2:12, 2:17, 2:25, 3:2,

3:10, 3:27, 3:32,

3:36, 3:40, 22:37,

22:45, 23:2, 23:6,

23:8, 23:14

JQZ [6] - 5:20, 15:45,

20:32, 20:42, 21:6,

21:17

July [1] - 6:36

K

keep [1] - 13:27

kind [3] - 13:35, 16:17,

18:34

kindly [1] - 4:43

knowledge [3] - 8:16,

8:17, 9:16

known [1] - 24:29

L

land [1] - 20:46

language [4] - 5:41,

8:23, 10:19, 22:11

large [2] - 20:29,

21:37

largest [2] - 16:21,

16:29

last [5] - 4:40, 8:21,

11:34, 17:10, 21:1

leave [2] - 2:12, 20:28

level [2] - 9:5, 9:6

Level [1] - 1:19

Limited [4] - 20:32,

20:42, 21:7, 21:17

limited [1] - 2:19

local [1] - 13:32

look [3] - 13:29, 18:44,

21:1

Louis [4] - 10:21,

10:24, 10:27, 11:12

Ltd [6] - 6:20, 7:39,

17:21, 19:7, 19:38,

20:10

M

managers [2] - 10:9,

10:12

Mandarin [5] - 5:45,

10:10, 11:21, 11:31,

12:32

March [1] - 17:37

mark [1] - 24:24

Market [1] - 1:19

marketing [1] - 20:38

Marks [2] - 6:29

matters [1] - 13:16

McNaughton [54] -

1:35, 2:1, 2:3, 2:29,

2:31, 2:38, 3:12,

3:15, 3:22, 4:1, 4:3,

4:10, 4:16, 4:26,

4:28, 4:30, 4:32,

4:38, 4:43, 5:1, 5:9,

5:13, 5:34, 5:39, 6:8,

6:11, 7:33, 7:37,

8:26, 8:38, 10:24,

10:29, 10:33, 10:37,

10:42, 10:46, 11:4,

11:8, 11:12, 11:40,

11:44, 12:3, 17:9,

17:15, 17:20, 17:26,

17:31, 22:33, 23:16,

23:18, 24:14, 24:21,

24:26, 24:34

McNaughton's [2] -

5:44, 23:32

Meadowbank [1] -

20:39

mean [6] - 12:14,

13:24, 19:3, 20:23,

23:36

means [2] - 21:41,

22:47

meant [3] - 2:33,

19:16, 23:37

meeting [4] - 12:7,

12:29, 12:35, 13:7

meetings [1] - 13:5

member [1] - 9:18

members [15] - 8:8,

8:15, 8:20, 8:39,

8:45, 9:9, 9:11, 9:18,

9:19, 9:30, 9:32,

9:47, 22:11, 22:22,

22:23

memory [3] - 15:9,

15:23, 22:31

met [5] - 12:46, 13:1,

22:6, 22:9

MFI-1 [2] - 24:29,

24:31

might [4] - 2:43,

13:20, 18:34, 23:29

million [11] - 23:11,

23:12, 23:21, 23:22,

23:43, 23:46, 24:6,

24:10

mine [1] - 5:21

minimum [1] - 15:31

Mining [1] - 17:39

Minter [1] - 1:39

miscommunication

[1] - 22:45

misinterpretation [1] -

22:39

mistake [1] - 24:10

mistranslating [1] -

24:4

mistranslation [1] -

24:5

moment [2] - 5:30, 7:1

money [6] - 14:45,

15:37, 16:11, 19:42,

20:24, 20:42

most [1] - 14:20

moved [1] - 21:21

MR [16] - 2:8, 2:12,

2:17, 2:25, 3:2, 3:10,

3:27, 3:32, 3:36,

3:40, 22:37, 22:45,

23:2, 23:6, 23:8,

23:14

MS [46] - 2:3, 2:31,

2:38, 3:15, 3:22, 4:3,

4:10, 4:16, 4:28,

4:30, 4:32, 4:38,

4:43, 5:1, 5:9, 5:13,

5:34, 5:39, 6:11,

7:33, 7:37, 8:38,

10:24, 10:29, 10:33,

10:37, 10:42, 10:46,

11:4, 11:8, 11:12,

11:40, 11:44, 12:3,

17:9, 17:15, 17:20,

17:26, 17:31, 22:33,

23:16, 23:18, 24:14,

24:21, 24:26, 24:34

must [13] - 8:47, 9:5,

9:14, 16:27, 16:39,

17:29, 17:41, 18:19,

19:13, 21:38, 21:40,

22:9, 23:42

mutually [1] - 22:15

N

name [16] - 4:33, 4:40,

5:15, 5:20, 5:23,

6:28, 6:31, 9:24,

11:34, 11:36, 12:37,

12:40, 14:31, 17:28,

17:41, 19:13

named [2] - 16:25,

16:36

names [11] - 5:15,

6:18, 6:21, 6:22,

9:40, 9:45, 10:16,

10:17, 10:20, 14:30

names) [1] - 10:21

nature [1] - 5:6

near [1] - 23:32

need [10] - 2:19, 2:20,

2:43, 3:34, 13:21,

13:30, 15:39, 18:26,

19:29, 22:14

needed [2] - 14:3,

22:15

never [6] - 15:19,

15:44, 16:3, 16:4,

22:24, 22:27

New [9] - 6:15, 6:16,

6:24, 7:10, 7:17,

7:22, 10:12, 11:25,

23:36

new [3] - 7:45, 13:31,

13:39

newly [1] - 13:25

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next [3] - 2:18, 2:41,

23:35

no-one [2] - 6:6, 8:35

nobody [1] - 21:41

non [5] - 3:18, 3:25,

3:29, 4:7, 4:12

non-publication [5] -

3:18, 3:25, 3:29, 4:7,

4:12

nothing [1] - 13:20

notified [2] - 21:39,

21:40

noting [1] - 6:34

November [3] - 7:29,

7:39, 7:44

NSW [2] - 1:19, 17:38

number [3] - 5:32,

5:37, 6:18

O

obligations [1] - 21:10

obviously [1] - 3:19

occasion [8] - 6:5,

11:23, 11:28, 12:3,

16:22, 18:5, 18:12,

18:31

occasions [3] - 18:15,

18:21

occupation [1] - 5:3

occur [1] - 2:34

occurs [1] - 22:17

official [3] - 2:46, 3:8,

21:45

on-site [1] - 14:20

once [1] - 14:19

one [27] - 2:17, 2:26,

2:46, 5:34, 6:6, 8:35,

9:23, 10:27, 11:14,

11:16, 14:28, 16:22,

16:30, 17:32, 17:40,

18:12, 19:7, 19:38,

20:32, 21:27, 21:40,

21:45, 22:37, 22:40,

23:33

one's [2] - 19:1

onsold [1] - 21:22

otherwise [1] - 4:22

outside [1] - 15:42

own [2] - 7:21, 15:40

P

page [6] - 17:15,

17:26, 18:37, 18:44,

19:34, 20:8

paid [5] - 14:45, 17:28,

17:29, 19:23, 19:42

paragraph [3] - 3:43,

3:45, 3:47

pardon [2] - 11:40,

20:11

Parker [4] - 15:15,

15:44, 16:6, 22:6

participating [1] -

16:17

particular [6] - 5:15,

12:42, 13:20, 15:37,

21:44

pass [1] - 8:26

past [1] - 7:5

pay [1] - 20:24

paying [1] - 20:18

payment [1] - 18:2

payments [1] - 18:8

people [14] - 7:38,

9:16, 10:1, 10:27,

11:19, 11:20, 12:6,

12:18, 12:22, 12:24,

12:44, 14:4, 14:28,

18:32

perform [1] - 19:30

permanently [1] - 7:13

permission [1] - 18:33

person [10] - 6:22,

11:30, 11:33, 12:4,

12:30, 14:2, 14:28,

16:8, 20:44, 21:44

phonetic [1] - 10:46

phonetically [2] -

24:3, 24:7

place [1] - 6:14

places [1] - 6:15

plan [1] - 20:33

plus [1] - 15:31

position [3] - 11:18,

12:42, 14:29

possible [1] - 2:18

potential [1] - 3:10

present [2] - 3:47,

14:3

Prince [1] - 1:36

PRIVATE [3] - 1:27,

24:32, 24:40

private [2] - 2:3, 6:35

privilege [1] - 19:26

problem [3] - 2:28,

2:42, 24:19

procedure [1] - 20:45

produce [1] - 24:17

prohibits [1] - 3:43

project [3] - 10:9,

10:12, 20:39

projects [1] - 7:46

promote [1] - 20:39

proper [1] - 13:34

property [1] - 5:23

proposal [1] - 3:15

provide [1] - 17:2

provided [1] - 21:15

Pty [10] - 6:20, 7:38,

17:21, 19:6, 19:38,

20:9, 20:32, 20:42,

21:7, 21:17

publication [6] - 3:18,

3:25, 3:29, 3:44, 4:7,

4:12

purchase [3] - 20:43,

21:16, 21:33

purchased [2] - 21:25,

21:47

purchasing [2] -

20:46, 21:45

purely [1] - 3:3

purpose [2] - 3:3,

18:41

put [1] - 2:33

Putney [1] - 7:6

Q

QC [1] - 1:31

questioning [1] -

23:33

questions [4] - 2:33,

22:33, 22:35, 23:14

quite [1] - 5:34

R

raised [1] - 2:40

reached [2] - 23:27,

23:29

read [4] - 17:5, 17:6,

21:12, 23:31

real [1] - 7:45

realised [1] - 13:43

really [10] - 6:21,

16:23, 16:43, 16:47,

17:40, 17:45, 18:22,

18:42, 20:6, 20:20

reason [4] - 8:42,

8:43, 18:8, 22:10

receipt [2] - 17:20,

20:11

receipts [1] - 18:47

received [1] - 19:6

recollection [3] - 7:40,

16:26, 22:24

records [2] - 7:37,

16:31

referred [1] - 13:7

regard [2] - 13:40,

19:31

regarding [2] - 14:6,

21:38

registered [2] - 6:44,

7:39

registration [2] - 6:24,

7:38

regulations [10] -

13:16, 13:27, 13:32,

13:35, 13:43, 14:6,

14:13, 19:29, 22:16,

22:18

relate [1] - 6:14

related [1] - 16:18

relation [3] - 9:39,

20:43, 23:19

relationship [1] -

13:28

released [1] - 6:36

relevant [2] - 13:26,

23:20

remember [32] - 5:17,

5:18, 6:21, 9:41,

9:43, 9:44, 12:27,

14:17, 14:30, 16:16,

16:17, 16:18, 16:23,

16:31, 16:43, 16:47,

17:40, 17:45, 17:47,

18:1, 18:2, 18:9,

18:16, 18:22, 18:40,

20:6, 20:20, 20:34,

20:37, 21:18, 22:4

reports [1] - 21:41

required [2] - 18:24,

18:26

reside [1] - 7:14

resigned [2] - 11:14,

11:16

return [3] - 19:22,

19:24, 19:27

revenue [2] - 23:37,

23:41

right-hand [1] - 17:16

room [1] - 3:20

ROYAL [1] - 1:13

S

S-O-N-G [1] - 10:31

safety [11] - 13:16,

13:27, 13:33, 13:35,

13:44, 14:1, 14:6,

14:24, 19:30, 22:16,

22:18

sales [1] - 23:38

Sarah [1] - 1:35

satisfactory [1] - 3:46

saw [1] - 20:38

SC [1] - 1:35

scaffolding [2] - 9:23,

9:39

screen [1] - 18:37

seat [1] - 4:25

second [2] - 10:27,

17:10

second-last [1] -

17:10

sector [1] - 7:18

Securities [1] - 6:44

security [1] - 21:10

see [15] - 2:44, 3:12,

3:15, 3:24, 13:30,

17:20, 18:39, 18:47,

19:5, 19:12, 19:37,

20:8, 21:2, 21:6,

23:4

self [1] - 24:1

sell [1] - 20:33

sent [2] - 19:37, 19:47

September [1] - 1:24

set [4] - 7:44, 13:5,

13:11, 13:38

settle [1] - 21:40

settled [1] - 21:42

settlement [2] - 21:38,

23:28

shall [1] - 4:7

short [2] - 5:44, 5:47

sign [3] - 4:13, 9:31,

22:22

signed [1] - 16:4

simple [1] - 5:44

Sinn [4] - 19:42,

20:10, 20:14, 20:19

sit [2] - 2:18, 2:41

site [4] - 14:20, 14:24,

18:7, 22:19

sites [2] - 8:12, 15:31

Solicitors [1] - 1:39

someone [4] - 11:28,

14:15, 14:23, 20:18

sometimes [2] -

13:29, 18:6

SON [1] - 10:24

Song [6] - 10:22,

10:24, 10:27, 10:33,

10:40, 11:12

SONG [2] - 10:29,

10:35

Soong [2] - 10:42,

11:13

SOONG [1] - 10:46

sorry [12] - 3:27, 5:34,

7:22, 7:31, 7:33,

11:40, 11:44, 15:2,

16:3, 17:24, 19:44,

20:10

sort [1] - 19:41

sorts [1] - 19:23

sounded [1] - 24:3

South [9] - 6:15, 6:16,

6:24, 7:10, 7:17,

7:22, 10:12, 11:25,

23:36

Southpac [5] - 6:20,

17:21, 17:32, 17:36,

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18:31

SPC [3] - 19:6, 19:37,

20:9

speaking [3] - 5:41,

8:23, 16:8

Speaking [2] - 19:43,

24:1

specify [1] - 14:2

spelt [1] - 11:1

staff [3] - 4:1, 21:28,

21:30

stage [1] - 24:35

standard [1] - 4:13

stands [1] - 3:46

start [1] - 7:9

started [3] - 7:25,

12:5, 12:13

starting [1] - 8:25

statements [1] - 24:18

still [1] - 13:21

stoppage [1] - 22:19

Street [2] - 1:19, 7:5

subcontractors [1] -

15:41

submission [1] - 2:45

substantially [2] - 8:2,

16:37

success [2] - 23:24,

23:26

sufficient [1] - 4:3

suggesting [1] - 3:2

sum [2] - 17:37, 19:43

SUNG [1] - 10:29

superannuation [1] -

15:32

suppose [2] - 3:43,

24:24

surname [1] - 6:31

Sydney [2] - 1:19,

12:10

T

tab [3] - 17:10, 21:1,

21:2

TAKEN [1] - 24:32

tax [2] - 19:37, 19:47

ten [1] - 18:21

terms [5] - 2:44,

14:13, 16:29, 23:22,

23:24

THAT [1] - 24:31

THE [59] - 2:1, 2:6,

2:10, 2:15, 2:23,

2:28, 2:36, 3:6, 3:12,

3:18, 3:24, 3:29,

3:34, 3:38, 3:43, 4:6,

4:12, 4:25, 4:36,

4:40, 4:46, 5:11,

5:36, 5:43, 6:2, 6:4,

private hearing - zhang

Documents

confidence2the commissioner

ms mcnaughton

confidence3mr joseph

tomr joseph

mr zhangs english

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official interpreter

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