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H e a r i n g was he ld in the Ola Communi ty C e n t e r , O l a , A r k a n s a s , commencinga t 7:00 o ' c l o c k , p . m . , in th e above- en t i t l ed cause f or p u b l i c input intot h e S u p e r f u n d P r o j e c t f o r t h e O l d M i d l a n d Produc t s S i t e , O l a , Arkansa s .

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M A Y O R J . 0 . P E N N I N G T O N :W e a p p r e c i a t e e v e r y o n e ' s presence. A n d , t h e p u r p o s e o fthe meet ing is to f u r t h e r d i s cu s s the p o l l u t i o n of OldM i d l a n d P r o d u c t s S i t e . A n d , I w i l l now turn the programover to L l o y d George , our Repre s en ta t iv e .

R E P R E S E N T A T I V E L L O Y D GEORGE:Thank you. T h i s is part of the requirement under theEnvironmental T o x i c W a s t e S i t e , that you ge t input f r o m thep u b l i c , whatever. As y o u ' l l r e c a l l , we me t here when, ayear ago or so?

M S . G R E E N E Y :Y e s .

REP. L L O Y D GEORGE:W h a t e v e r . A year ago to d i s c u s s these s i t ua t i on s . And th i smee t ing is to bring you up to da t e about what has been done ,what the f u t u r e p l a n s are for the Old M i d l a n d S i t e downH i g h w a y 10 here about a mile or so. A n d , t h e y ' r e go ing toanswer some ques t ions . We have the f e d e r a l p e o p l e here outof D a l l a s f r o m the E P A ; we have the S t a t e P o l l u t i o n Contro lp e o p l e here. W e ' l l g e t a n o p e n i n g statement f r o m - t h e F e d s ;w e ' l l g e t a n op en ing s tatement f r o m t h e S t a t e ; a n d thenw e ' l l a l l o w them t o ca l l o n whoever their expert p e o p l e are,to give you a b r i e f summary about where we are and what thep l a n s are. T h e y w i l l f i e l d que s t ions . Severa l o f these

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f a c e s that you s e e that d o n ' t l iv e around here ar e wi ththem. T h e y ' v e brought expert p e o p l e t o answer yourques t ions. L e t ' s p l e a s e ho ld o u r q u e s t i o n s , a n d make notesor whatever, unt i l they give a br i e f e x p l a n a t i o n , and thent h e y ' l l f i e l d your que s t ions . I s that okay? I s thatprocedure all r ight? Any o b j e c t i o n s to that? Okay, who isgoing to speak for the EPA? P l e a s e introduce y o u r s e l f , sothe p e o p l e w i l l know. The EPA w i l l be f i r s t .

M S . E L L E N G R E E N E Y :I ' m E l l e n G r e e n e y , t h e Communi ty Rela t i on s Coord ina t or f o rE P A i n D a l l a s . W e have several p e o p l e here tonight I ' d l ik eto introduce . We have Carl Ed lund f r o m EPA in D a l l a s . Wehave Tim Mahon, Remedial P r o j e c t Manager. And f r o m theA g e n c y for T o x i c Sub s tanc e s and Disease i s Carl H i c k a m ; heserves as our p u b l i c h e a l t h advisor. F r o m the ArkansasDepartment of P o l l u t i o n and E c o l o g y , we have Doice H u g h e s ,who was the p r o j e c t engineer for the S i t e f or the S t a t e .The p u r p o s e of our mee t ing here tonight is to d i s cu s s thes t u d i e s that were conducted on the Old M i d l a n d S i t e , and toe x p l a i n to you the a l t e r n a t i v e s that are being c on s id e r ed .A F a c t Shee t on the p r o p o s e d p l a n of action is ava i lab l e .I hope all of you had a chance to p i ck it up, or youa l r e a d y received it in the mai l . It e x p l a i n s the S i t ec o n d i t i o n s , the h e a l t h assessment that was conducted at theS i t e , and the various a l t e rna t iv e s that we have come up with

f o r correc t ing th i s p r o b l e m .We p l a c e d a c o m p l e t e s e t o f the Remedia l I n v e s t i g a t i o nReport and the F e a s i b i l i t y S t u d y f r o m the document here inthe c i ty hal l for your review. W o r k at the Old M i d l a n dProduct S i t e i s being admin i s t e r ed through the S u p e r f u n dProgram. Congre s s e s t a b l i s h e d this trust f u n d to addre s sp r o b l e m s at abandoned hazardous waste s i t e s throughout thenation. I n order f o r a S i t e t o b e e l i g i b l e f o r f u n d i n g f o ra l o n g - t e r m remedy, it must be p l a c e d on the N a t i o n a lP r i o r i t y L i s t . And the O l d - M i d l a n d S i t e wa s added t o thi sl i s t in J u l y o f 1984.Remedial action under S u p e r f u n d is an o r d e r l y proce s srequiring several phas e s . The Remedial I n v e s t i g a t i o n is thephase in which da ta are c o l l e c t e d and analyzed tocharacteri se the nature and extent of the contaminat ion.T h e F e a s i b i l i t y S t u d y then f o l l o w s t o de t ermine t h e variousa l t e r n a t i v e s f o r c l ean-up. T h e s e a l t e r n a t i v e s a n d p r o p o s e dremedy are r e l ea s ed for p u b l i c comment.T h e p r o p o s e d p l a n f o r t h e O l d M i d l a n d S i t e w a s re leased t othe p u b l i c N o v e m b e r 16, 1987. The comment period beganNovember 27th and c l o s e s December 31s t . Comments w i l l betaken unt i l that t ime. T h e r e is an a d d r e s s , I b e l i ev e , onthe la s t page for you to send your w r i t t e n comment, in caseyou d o n ' t have any comments or que s t i ons t o n i g h t . At thec l o s e of the comment p e r i o d , we w i l l evaluate all comments

received and an EPA Regional A d m i n i s t r a t o r w i l l s e l e c t aremedy in c o n j u n c t i o n wi th comments and c o r r e l a t i o n courseof the S t a t e . A re spons ivene s s summary d o c u m e n t i n g allcomments a n d E P A ' s r e spons e w i l l b e sent t o . a l l commenters.Doice?

D O I C E H U G H E S : .T h i s h a s been quite a c h a l l e n g e a n d I ' v e t h o r o u g h l y e n j o y e d

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it. A tremendous amount of work has been done at the S i t e .We s t ar t ed out over a year ago and f i n i s h e d up la s t f a l l .During the p r o c e s s , we d r i l l e d a lot of h o l e s , b u i l t a lotof f e n c e s , and there were a lot of p e o p l e who worked on thi sS i t e . Mos t of the work was done by a very small group ofp e o p l e , but there was a lot of h e l p in the background. Inorder for ya' 11 to know who a c t u a l l y did the work, everyday t y p e work, rather than background t y p e work, p e o p l e whow h o spent a l o t o f time o n t h e S i t e , I ' d l ike t o - p o i n t o u tsome of the guys in the room.Gary M a r t i n , he did a lot of the contract-management work,a n d i n c i d e n t a l l y , d i d a n e x c e l l e n t j o b . W i t h I TC o r p o r a t i o n , it was Al H e s a c k and Dennis Reece. A n d , withthose two guys , i t d i d n ' t take me too l o n g to f i g u r e out whowas the boss because Dennis did all the work. Ands e c o n d l y , Dick C a s s a t , is s i t t i n g back there , the one whogr in s; h e c a n ' t s ay anyth ing without grinning. He does ourtechnical s e c t i on , and he was a lot of s u p p o r t for that

p r o j e c t - . A n d , a l s o , there i s so many p e o p l e unseen atE P A , and the f r o n t - r u n n e r , Mr. Tim M a h o n , who wears about asize ^ s ix t e en shoe. And in case you have any p r o b l e m s. s p o t t i n g him, h e ' s t h e o n e turning red, real red. I ' m . g l a d

I don' t have to ride home with him.It was a very i n t e r e s t i n g p r o j e c t . We did come across somes u r p r i s e s . T h e r e were some of the th ings that we f o u n dthat were going for us; some things we f o u n d wereg o i n g agains t us. One of the more i n t e r e s t i n g th ing s to meis that if the owner-operator had not dug two par t i cu larlagoons that he d i d , there p r o b a b l y would not have been anyground water contaminat ion. T h e r e were two c ircularlagoons", number one and three, I be l i eve , are the numbers,

b a ^ ~ ' % 0 swhich went down into the ground water veins zone, anddur ing the p r o c e s s , he contaminated the ground water.The other areas — I f o u n d contaminat ion in a l i t t l e p o o l ,p r o b a b l y generated by in t e r s e c t i on into the ground water atthose l a g o o n s . T h e r e is one -- we d r i l l e d one monitor w e l l ,in p a r t i c u l a r , I f e e l I should point out. T h a t is the oneimmed ia t e ly north of the lagoon area. Remembering that thef l o w of the ground water is to the north-northwes t . Priorto d r i l l i n g that p a r t i c u l a r h o l e , -- I would have betanyone it would have shown some contamination, but itd i d n ' t .The on ly areas of ground water contaminat ion that we f o u n d

were i m m e d i a t e l y in the area where these two lagoon s were.We have that p a r t i c u l a r l i t t l e area p r e t t y wel l d e l i n e a t e d .I t i s r e l a t i v e l y s m a l l . I t ' s only about, roughly e i g h t yto nine ty f e e t by two hundred and e i g h t y f e e t , which isvery, very smal l in this t y p e of busines s . Another th ing wehad good going for us here is the impermeable layer ,i m m e d i a t e l y north-northwes t o f th e contaminated p o o l . Thef l o w had migrated a short d i s tance in the ground waterbearing aone and a p p a r e n t l y run into th i s f a i r l y impermeabl ezone and s t o p p e d there. Otherwi s e , it would p r o b a b l y havet rav e l ed a whole lot f u r t h e r .A n o t h e r t h ing we had go ing for us is that the ground waterout there is under h y d r o s t a t i c head. T h i s means that theground water down beneath the s u r f a c e is a c t u a l l y t r y i n g tocome up to the s u r f a c e . And when we draw our p i e s o m e t r i cm a p s , which is no th ing more than a water pres sure may, thewater t a b l e , if we could get there, would be up near thes u r f a c e l e v e l . T h i s i s r e a l l y brought to l i g h t when youd r i l l one h o l e , oh, down around twenty f e e t and water c l i m b sup the ho l e . We d r i l l e d another one right b e s id e of it onf i f t e e n f e e t and i t s tays dry. And th e l i t t l e contaminatedpool we have is in a way t r y i n g to capture that. Becausethe ground water is l i g h t e r than the water to get the waterpre s sure -- is t r y i n g to f o r c e it up. N o w , when the wel lwas d r i l l i n g into i t , we l l i t i m m e d i a t e l y s tar t ed c l i m b i n g

up the hole .We have f a i r l y w e l l d e l i n e a t e d the area of c o n t a m i n a t i o n . Id o n ' t know i f w e could d e f i n e i t much b e t t e r , r e a l l y . I t ' sp r i m a r i l y in the area of the l a g o o n s , the old p l a n to p e r a t i n g area, and some down the s e d i m e n t s , a l i t t l e bit ofcontaminated s e d i m e n t s , and the drainage pa thways . It goesto the railroad tracks, and then, we f o u n d a l i t t l e bit onthe north s ide of the railroad tracks, but here, you know,you wonder e x a c t l y where the drainage is coming f r o m ,a l t h o u g h , it is p r o b a b l y f r om- the old p l a n t area.You got to bear in mind that the rai lroad track is made, uh,the c r o s s t i e s , f r o m the same material that we were l ook ingfor at the s i t e . So, if one road runs into another one,i t ' s sometimes d i f f i c u l t t o d e c i d e which i s what. T h eground water, again, i s p r e t t y we l l i s o l a t e d , .and I d o n ' tthink it w i l l be all that big of a p r o b l e m to remove it, andpump it out. The old b u i l d i n g s , all of those w i l l c er ta inlyhave to come down and be d i s p o s e d of. We did not f i n d anycon taminat i on over in the areas of the, what is c a l l e d orwhat I c a l l , the " s a w m i l l " . The new f a c i l i t i e s that wereput in there sometime ago, that a p p a r e n t l y had never beenopera t ed — a l l o f that i s c lean. W e d i d n ' t f i n d anythingover i n there. S o , i t ' s a l l back there i n t h e area o f t h ef e n c e s and down the dra inage pa thways .During the proc e s s of d o i n g our work out there, we tried

everyth ing p o s s i b l e to make sure that there was no h e a l t he f f e c t t o t h e p e o p l e o r t o t h e enviornment. I t ' s qui te easywhen you start on these p r o j e c t s to become a part of thep r o b l e m . That ' s s ome th ing you have to always be on guard.We had a m e t e o r o l o g i c a l s t a t i o n set up, which monitored theweather ing. We a l s o had three moni tor ing s t a t i o n s s a m p l i n gthe air. All o f those r e s u l t s f r o m a l l o f the a c t i v i t i e sout there came back clean. So, we d i d n ' t have anythinggo ing into the area as a re su l t of our operat ion. At t imeswhen, the t empera tur e was warm, we could c e r t a i n l y smel l someodors up there around the old l a g o o n s , which is the area ofthe highest — in a l l , we were quite p l e a s e d w i t h , thep r o j e c t . It went o f f s m o o t h l y , and I f e e l l ike we puttoge ther a p r e t t y good Remedial I n v e s t i g a t i o n . A n d , I ' l lp a s s it on to Mr. Tim Mahon for a minute and let him gof o rward wi th it -- receive f u l l c r ed i t .

T I M M A H O N :T h a n k you, Doice. My shoe size is only f i f t e e n , but i fanybody wants one of those s l e e p i n g bags , Joy and I w i l ls p l i t t h e f e e . I ' d l ike t o start o f f t h e same w a y Doiced i d . He p o i n t e d out we had a r e a l l y good team on thi s . Andw e ' v e go t t en some comments f r o m our headquarters there inW a s h i n g t o n and our regional o f f i c e which is based in D a l l a s .And the headquarter s p e o p l e had given us a lot ofc o m p l i m e n t s on the way this S i t e has been going. And that

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is c e r t a i n l y due to a great par t to the p e o p l e Doice p o i n t e dout. And that is j u s t another way of s ay ing thanks.We had -- D o i c e ' s s t u d y ; The s t u d y that Doice ha s j u s td e s c r i b e d , t o l d u s about t h e p r o b l e m . I ' m go ing t o t e l l y o uabout how we got the s o l u t i o n s . We looked -- we got a rangeof s o l u t i o n s , that are current ly e x i s t i n g according tot e c h n o l o g y t oday. We looked at these current ly e x i s t i n gt e c h n o l o g y according to some variables . A few of you, a fewof which we got f r o m the la s t mee t ing here. The cos t s andp r o t e c t i n g ideas that you p e o p l e brought up. We looked ,a l s o , according to how they r e sponded to ther e g u l a t i o n s and s t a t u t e s , which come into p l a y in anycertain s i tua t i on l ike thi s . We looked at quite a fewitems. T h e n , a s Doice d e s c r i b e d , t h e r e ' s kind o f a two-partp r o b l e m here. T h e r e ' s t h e s u r f a c e contaminat ion, a n d thent h e r e ' s t h e ground water contaminat ion.T h i s s o l u t i o n that we recommend for the s u r f a c e p r o b l e m i sw e ' r e go ing t o incinerate t h e waste. W e ' l l take a l l t h econtaminated s o i l s , the s l u d g e s f r o m the l a g o o n s , and thedrainageway sediments down to a level which is p ro t e c t i v e oft h e h e a l t h a n d t h e environment, a n d w e ' l l incinerate those.We' l l take the a sh that comes ou t o f th e inc inerator, pu t i t

-Jin the excavated areas, cover it with a v e g e t a t i v e - t o p s o i l ,so that it s t i l l w i l l be a e s t h e t i c a l l y p l e a s i n g b e s id e sc l ean when it is done. The s u r f a c e l a g o o n s , — the water

f r o m that w i l l be taken and f i l t e r e d through a carbonf i l t e r so that we w i l l be able to j u s t dump it right intothe dra inageway s e d i m e n t s , the dra inageway, which w i l l becleaned a f t e r w a r d s , and it would meet all the currentdr ink ing water s t a n d a r d s .The other - we cons idered a few other remedies for thes u r f a c e control prob l em. T h o s e were b a s i c a l l y '•— there wereabout f o u r or f i v e others. The f i r s t one was "No A c t i o n " ,which we were asked to cons ider . We r e j e c t e d that onebecause there were, -- it would leave the p o t e n t i a l S i t ehazards there and would s t i l l require p e r p e t u a l and c o s t l ymaintenance and opera t i on s and moni tor ing. The second onewe looked at was "Containment" based on g e o l o g y , which Do icedescr ibed to you. What we would do would be j u s t l ike tomake a c l ay barrier to keep all the waste there. But since

5k^-i-t h e g e o l o g y t h a t ' s e x i s t i n g i s a f r a c t u r e d layer o f siieiis,i t ' s t e c h n i c a l l y i n f e a s i b l e t o d o that . T h e third o n e i s" L a n d f i l l " , which does not meet the e x i s t i n g s t a tu t e s andr egu la t i on s in p l a c e . The f o u r t h one that we looked at was"Bio-treatment". T h i s one, ac cord ing to a v a i l a b l e da ta now,for the p a r t i c u l a r waste that we have at thi s S i t e , it doesnot a p p e a r to be f e a s i b l e for thi s waste. The la s t remedythat we looked at was " I n c i n e r a t i o n " , which is what w e ' r ed o i n g , b u t w e ' d u s e a d i f f e r e n t water t r ea tment . T h i s t ime,in s t ead o f i n f i l t r a t i o n , w e ' d u s e w h a t ' s c a l l e d U V @ 5 s * t o

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clean the water.T h i s one p r o v i d e s us w i th the same walk away remedy that theother inc inerat ion would give u s . But, i t ' s d u e t o t h eproce s s c o s t , for UV Oaonat i on , it is a lot moree x p e n s i v e , t h e r e f o r e , we de c ided to go wi th the a b i l i t y to

\&M>\~ C_o-s\walk away f r o m the s i t e for i-ast cauate.The other p r o b l e m that was down there was the l i g h t e r thanwater o i l phase . What w e ' r e go ing to do for that i s t o takean a c c e l e r a t e d , what we c a l l an acce l erated p u m p i n g program,w e p l a c e f o u r w e l l s , f o u r p u m p i n g w e l l s surrounding t h ee x i s t i n g p l u m e , which i s very s m a l l , s o we ' l l b e able t odo i t , pump the o i l up and we ' l l ge t some water with that .W e ' l l take what w e g e t a n d w e ' l l m i x - - w e ' l l d o as e p a r a t i o n , s e p a r a t i n g t h e water a n d t h e o i l . W e ' l l treatthe water, the way its been de s cr ibed in the r e p o r t , withcarbon a b s o r p t i o n , and the f i l t r a t i o n . And the oil is ableto be j u s t taken to a commercial incinerator or burned inour inc inerator on-s i t e . The other remedies that wecons idered f or t h i s were th e "No A c t i o n " , which i s . a g a i n ,would leave the s i t e contaminant s there and would requirep e r p e t u a l moni t or ing the c on taminan t , which was t e c h n i c a l l yi n f e a s i b l e . On minimized p u m p i n g p r o g r a m , which would j u s tuse two ins t ead of f o u r p u m p s , -- that one would take moretime and t h e r e f o r e , would cost more money. And f i n a l l y , thel a s t one was i n t e r s e p t i o n wi th a F r e n c h drain. T h a t one

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-•' would require s i g n i f i c a n t l y more time and qui te a bit moremoney. So, we e l e c t e d to go again with the inc inerat ion ofthe s u r f a c e s l u d g e s and p u m p i n g and treatment of the groundwater p r o b l e m .L e t m e j u s t empha s i z e that thi s i s j u s t a p r o p o s a l . W e ' r ecoming to you now to s t a t e , and the EPA has agreed on t h i s ,and w e ' r e coming to you for your comments and any sort ofinput or que s t ions you have would be g r e a t l y a p p r e c i a t e d .T h a n k you very much.

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :T h a n k you very much, T i m . T h i s c on c lud e s our f o r m a lp r e s e n t a t i o n . I ' m sure y o u ' v e noticed o u r court reporter .In order for us to have an accurate t r a s c r i p t i o n of

_-••* t o n i g h t ' s mee t ing , we use a court r e p o r t e r ' s services atthese t y p e o f o f f i c i a l mee t ing s that w e have. A n d w e ' d l ik efor you, if you have any que s t ions or comments, b e f o r e youstart t a l k i n g , to give us your name for the record, so thatwe w i l l be able to get you a copy of our wri t t en summaryonce it is d e v e l o p e d . Do we have any quest ions or commentsat thi s time?

J O E D A W S O N :I have a que s t ion, m a ' a m . I ' m J o e Dawson f r o m Ola. W h a t ' syour time t a b l e ?

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :For the remedy?

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J O E D A W S O N :Y e s m a ' a m . H o w f a r a l o n g , h o w many m o n t h s , years , weeks, o r

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :. . . A s s u m i n g inc inerat ion?

J O E D A W S O N :T h a t y o u ' r e p r o p o s i n g t o recommend?

T I M M A H O N :The remedial d e s i g n pro c e s s , in which, a s suming we go

with th i s remedy, w i l l go through a d e s i g n period in whichwe can take d e s i g n of the accurate sy s t em, c l ean-up sy s t em,for thi s p a r t i c u l a r waste so that the incinerator comes outt o t a l l y harmle s s . And does not endanger anybody at a l l .T h a t ' s go ing t o take, i t ' s e s t imat ed about e ighteen months.T h e n , a f t e r t h a t , there w i l l b e f or th e ground water clean-up, the e s t i m a t i o n is a p p r o x i m a t e l y one to f i v e years, dueto a bit of uncer ta in ty with the e x i s t i n g c ond i t i on s andp u m p i n g . And the inc inerator w i l l take a p p r o x i m a t e l y seventyweeks i t s e l f .

J O E D A W S O N :S e v e n t y weeks?

T I M M A H O N :S e v e n t y weeks.

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :Okay?

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CARL E D L U N D :You made a po in t to c l a r i f y the ground water at theinc inerat ion be done at the same time? Ail r i g h t , s ir, then

T I M M A H O N : 'Right .

CARL E D L U N D :But then, of the incineration chosen that would be about twoand h a l f to three years for c o m p l e t i o n of the incinerationpart with p u m p i n g continuing for perhaps a bit more.

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :Okay. You had a ques t ion?

DON DIXON:I ' m D o n Dixon f r o m Ola. I ' m a l andowner , north o f h ighway,o ld H i g h w a y 10. Did ya' ,11 te s t north o f H i g h w a y - I thinkI read in that report where you d i d . You f o u n d no evidenceo f a n y P C B ' s o r creosote?

T I M M A H O N :N o t h i n g o u t s i d e a t a l l , sir.

D O N D I X O N :Creosote?

T I M M A H O N :N o t h i n g .

D O N D I X O N :That's kinda hard for me to be l i eve because some ten yearsago, they had a bad s p i l l . And they c a l l e d me at my p l a c e

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of bus ines s over in R u s s e l l v i l l e , and wanted some hay ands t u f f , A n d , we dammed that up down there at the mouth ofthat creek. And we had contaminant f r o m there p lumb back tothe highway. And then, that creosote would dry in thesummer and that summer when everything would dry, thoserocks were s o l i d b lack -- with creosote, pena, or whatever.A n d trees died down there , a n d i t ' s hard f o r m e t o be l i evethat some ten years l a t e r t h e r e ' d be no traces of that .

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :Doice , could you answer?

D O I C E H U G H E S :Y e s , s ir, we took seven s a m p l e s in the drainage ways thatdrained the -- where the o p e r a t i n g area was -- on up to _al i t t l e b i t past the rai lroad track-. We f o u n d a l i t t l e b i tof PCB in the drainage ways. I think a l i t t l e bit of ite x t ended on pas t the ra i l road tracks , as I " r e c a l l . NowDennis, is that true?

D E N N I S REECE:T h e r e were traces down to the highway.

D O I C E H U G H E S :We a l s o -- one area I wanted to make certain that we hadcontrol of, and that was the ground water contaminat ion. Iwanted to make sure it did not extend pas t the ra i l r oadtracks. So, we d e l i b e r a t e l y spaced three s h a l l o w markingw e l l s on the south s i d e of the ra i l road tracks. And those

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t e s t s came up clear.D O N D I X O N :

I ' m t a l k i n g about t h e land north o f o l d H i g h w a y 1 0 . I c a n ' tv i s u a l i z e s p e n d i n g a m i l l i o n d o l l a r s and not t e s t i n g anyf u r t h e r than H i g h w a y 10 or the Rock I s l a n d R a i l r o a d .

D O I C E H U G H E S :In other words , y o u ' r e s u g g e s t i n g that we need to go f a r t h e rnorth then, a r e n ' t you?

D O N D I X O N :I think i f y o u ' r e go ing t o spend a m i l l i o n d o l l a r s , I ' d g onorth o f H i g h w a y 1 0 . Because t h a t ' s t h e c i t y ' s way, a n dt h e r e ' s d e f i n i t e l y , in the las t t en years, there has been

-^ layers a f t e r layers of whatever is in the p l a n t there aroundthat . A n d I thought I ' d read somewhere i n t h e report wherey a ' 1 1 had even t e s t e d the w i l d l i f e area on down in Pe t i tJ e a n Bot t oms . I s that r igh t?

D O I C E H U G H E S :The water, the water p e o p l e in that depar tment have donesome t e s t i n g in that regard -- b i o l o g i s t . D i c k , can yougather i n f o r m a t i o n we could add to that?

D I C K C A S S A T :I r e a l l y c a n ' t quote anything that would have been doner e c en t ly o n that . I d o n ' t remember f o r sure.

D O I C E H U G H E S :N o w , e x a c t l y where did the s p i l l occur? Where was it -- at

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the ra i lroad tracks?D O N D I X O N :

W e l l , i t come right under the ra i l r oad t r e s t l e there andright on down that creek and runs right through our p r o p e r t yinto K e e l a n d Creek.

D O I C E H U G H E S :Was i t s p i l l e d f r o m the back o f o p e r a t i n g area i t s e l f ?

D O N D I X O N :I d o n ' t know where - - yeah, I ' m sure i t was. T h a t ' s whereit come f r o m . I d o n ' t know how it got l oo s e or what, but itw a s about t e n o ' c l o c k o n e morning, I c a n ' t r e ca l l t h e da t eo r time o r ; i t seemed l ik e i t w a s i n early s p r i n g . I ' d s a yt e n years ago. I t ' s been quite a f e w years ago. But, i twas heavy enough that it k i l l e d trees down that bank. Wedammed it up to keep it f r o m g e t t i n g into K e e l a n d Creek.A n d , of course, it j u s t l a i d there and then when the creekwent d r y - - t h a t ' s t h e reason I ' m s a y i n g , I d o n ' t think y o uwent far enough wi th the s t u d y . I c a n ' t s ee how you cankeep f r o m f i n d i n g traces o f s ometh ing that f a r . W e l l , i t ' s- - p r o b a b l y i t w o n ' t make a n y d i f f e r e n c e , b u t I d o n ' t thinkyou were very thorough in your r epor t .

D O I C E H U G H E S :W e l l , t h i s i s a very impor tant p o i n t . Excuse me, Dick?

D I C K C A S S A T :One t h i n g , D o i c e , we did do was to take a p i e c e of s ed iment

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s a m p l e s i n K e e l a n d C r e e k , p r e t t y f a r down f r o m t h e B i t e .But those have not been...

D O N D I X O N :Y o u s a y p r e t t y f a r down? I s that north o f H i g h w a y , O l d

H i g h w a y 10?D I C K C A S S A T :

I c a n ' t t e l l y o u s p e c i f i c a l l y t h e l o c a t i o n because I d i d n ' ttake the s a m p l e s . It is s u p p o s e d to be u p s t r e a m anddowns tr eam of a sewage treatment p l a n t , that I assumed tobe ...

D O I C E H U G H E S :. . . W e l l , what I ' d p r o b a b l y need t o d o i n regard t o t h i s ,and it is c e r t a i n l y a very impor tant p o i n t , is that dur ingour Remedial d e s i g n of it for the next phase of work, is tovery s i m p l y c on s ider some s a m p l e s been tak ing f a r t h e r northof the old o p e r a t i n g area, to make sure that it is, youknow, s a f e on f a r t h e r north than what we s a m p l e d .

L L O Y D G E O R G E :Mr. Dixon t a l k s about H i g h w a y 10 and the Site ' s on i t , andthen t h e r e ' s a rai lroad track near Old H i g h w a y 10, and hisf a r m runs a l o n g the s i d e of i t . And the dra inage d i t c h runsright through M r . D i x o n ' s f a r m o n t h e other s i d e o f O l dH i g h w a y 10. And th en , that runs on through it, and it runsinto K e e l a n d Creek. Mr. D i x o n ' s p o in t i s h e wants somet e s t s taken on his p r o p e r t y on the north s i d e of Old H i g h w a y

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1 0 down t o K e e l a n d Creek. I f I ' m h e l p i n g anybody b e s i d e sm y s e l f .

CARL E D L U N D :Y e s , sir. M r . D i x o n , w e ' l l look into that a n d s e e i f w ecan 1 t h e l p ...

L L O Y D GEORGE:Okay. You got his name on the record.

CARL E D L U N D :Okay. L e t ' s — w e ' l l have t o c l a r i f y t h e record about whate x a c t l y w a s s a m p l e d a n d w e ' 1 1 - t a k e a l o ok a t that a n d w e ' l lcome out with an answer when we come back with thi s wr i t t enrecord as to whether or not we do some more s a m p l i n g . Wea p p r e c i a t e that i n f o r m a t i o n .

L L O Y D GEORGE:Does th i s h e l p , Mr. Dixon? N o w , can we assume that you w i l lcontact him sometime and let him know e x a c t l y what thep r o b l e m i s . H e ' d l i k e t o b e c o n s i d e r e d .

CARL E D L U N D :That's the reason why -- th i s is not a court r e p o r t i n g , uh,court p r o c e e d i n g . We do have a court repor t er to make surewe got it on the record and w i l l be in the record, and Ipromi s e you, we'll look into it and see what we can do aboutit.

D O N D I X O N :T h i s is the same creek that in your r e p o r t , where you are

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d i s c h a r g i n g your water a f t e r y o u ' r e t r ea tment would g o . i I twould go that same route. That' s the o n l y route i t can go. Imean, t h a t ' s t h e o n l y l o g i c a l - - i t ' s go ing t o f l o w northa n d t h a t ' s j u s t where i t ' s g o t t o g o . T h e r e ' s t h e drainage

D O I C E H U G H E S :T h e r e ' s t h e dra inage d i t c h right there a t th e S i t e , and goN o r t h a n d wind u p i n K e e l a n d Creek. I t ' s that l i t t l e creekthat runs into the main creek.

CARL E D L U N D :We would treat t h i s water b e f o r e it d i s charged -- tod r i n k i n g water s t a n d a r d s .

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :Are there any more ques t ions?

J I M WOOD:I ' d l i k e t o a s k a que s t ion. :

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :Y e s , sir. Y o u r name?

J I M WOOD:J i m W o o d . M y i n t e r e s t , i s m a i n l y , - - I ' m a member o f t h e

iY e l l County W i l d l i f e F e d e r a t i o n . Our interest has to dom a i n l y wi th P e t i t J e a n W i l d l i f e A r e a , which i s downs tream o ft h i s S i t e , and a l s o , the S a n t a Fe Regional Duck area thatw a s b u i l t about t w o years ago. W e ' r e concerned aboutc o n t a m i n a t i o n m a i n l y where you s h i f t i t f r o m one p l a c e tothe o ther , you know. S o m e t i m e s we c lean up these s i t e s , and

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then the c o n t a m i n a t i o n g e t s s h i f t e d f r o m one p l a c e t oano ther , a n d w e r e a l l y d o n ' t c l ean i t U P , y o u know. O rt h o r o u g h l y . And maybe you can t e l l me if you -- do youprepare environmental document to h e l p -- for e x a m p l e , doyou p r e p a r e an environmental asses sment a t t h e Si t e ' ss p e c i f i c document o n th i s m a j o r action here t h a t ' s goingthe M a j o r F e d e r a l A c t i o n ? Do you go back to the Code ofF e d e r a l R e g u l a t i o n s on N a t i o n a l Environmental P o l i c y Act andp r e p a r e us an environmental document to look at how wearrive at a c o n c l u s i o n and how we d e v e l o p a n a l y s i s and allof thi s sort of thing?

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :I t ' s n o t a s e para t e documenta t i on . I t ' s c a l l e d a nEnvironmental I m p a c t S t a t e m e n t . W e d o n ' t have a s epara t edocument c a l l e d t h a t , but we have to adhere to and meet allthe requirements o f the N a t i o n a l Environmental P o l i c y A c t .

J I M WOOD:Do you p r e p a r e an environmental document under t h i s4 0 C F R 1 5 0 0 series?

E L L E N G R E E N E Y : .N o t a s a s e p a r a t e document . I t ' s woven into t h e F e a s i b i l i t yS t u d y i t s e l f .

C A R L E D L U N D :T h e r e are several c omponen t s to s a t i s f y tha t . T h e r e is anEndangerment A s s e s s m e n t that l ooks at the environmental

•—' ri sks at the S i t e p o s e s on a l o n g term. T h e r e i s a H e a l t hA s s e s s m e n t that i s p r e p a r e d by, uh, i s done by A g e n c i e s forT o x i c S u b s t a n c e Disease R e g i s t r y , which used to b e C . D . C .T h e r e i s the Remedia l I n v e s t i g a t i o n Report that Doiced e s c r i b e d . T h e r e i s t h e F e a s i b i l i t y S t u d y that T i mde s cr ib ed . T h e r e ' s a l o t o f r epor t s that ar e packagedt og e th er . T h e n there is a Record of Dec i s i on , which isanother report that k n i t s all of that t og e th er . And what itd o e s , i t t r i e s to. e x p l a i n the r a t i o n a l i t y of environmentalharm that may be p r o t e c t e d , et cetera, and what thed i f f e r e n t o p t i o n s are. And a c t u a l l y t h i s mee t ing i s inp r e p a r a t i o n for w r i t i n g that Record o f Deci s ion. And that

— s a t i s f i e s th i s f a c t , t h e N a t i o n a l Environmental P o l i c y A c t .L L O Y D G E O R G E :

J i m , excuse me. C o u l d you be the spokesman for the Y e l l• C o u n t y W i l d l i f e A s s o c i a t i o n on th i s matter? Can we use one

vocal p o i n t ? The W i l d l i f e A s s o c i a t i o n spoke to me aboutt h i s , -- can you be their spokesman?

J I M WOOD: . .I can p r o b a b l y t e l l you most of their concerns, you know.

L L O Y D G E O R G E :Okay. What I ' m a sking y o u p e o p l e i s t o g e t M r . W o o d ' sa d d r e s s , Jim Wood ' s a d d r e s s , and can you make avai lab l e t ohim, I t h i n k , h e ' s a l r e a d y gone into some s t u f f t h a t ' s k inda—- w h a t ' s been done i s been done. He wants t o know what

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y o u ' r e f i x i n g t o d o .E L L E N G R E E N E Y :

R i g h t .L L O Y D GEORGE:

Can you make all of that a v a i l a b l e by mail to Jim and withthe u n d e r s t a n d i n g that when he makes the report to the

*W i l d l i f e p e o p l e , because many of them has contacted me", andif he has any f u r t h e r q u e s t i o n s , he can write back to youf o r f u r t h e r i n f o r m a t i o n .

E L L E N G R E E N E Y : .Y e s .

L L O Y D G E O R G E :J i m , w i l l that h e l p you, to get i t in w r i t i n g ?

J I M WOOD:W e l l , I ' d l i k e t o g e t a n y i n f o r m a t i o n y o u might have " f r o mtime to t i m e , as the p r o j e c t d e v e l o p s , to s tay abreast ofwhats go ing on.

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :Did you receive the F a c t Shee t f r o m E P A ?

J I M WOOD:N o , I h a v e n ' t received anyth ing .

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :Okay. T h e n I need to add your a d d r e s s to the m a i l i n g l i s t .

L L O Y D G E O R G E :Get him on your m a i l i n g l i s t .

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E L L E N G R E E N E Y :I f y o u d i d n ' t receive a n y t h i n g b y m a i l , then I d o n ' t haveyou on the m a i l i n g l i s t .

• J I M WOOD:N o w , what I - - m y ques t ion is to you, you p r o b a b l y w i l l getthe gis t of my que s t i on , is since it is a m a j o r F e d e r a lact ion, n o r m a l l y , thi s t r i g g e r s a requirement for ei ther anenvironmental a s s e s smen t , which is a d e t a i l e d document thatarrives --- it shows how you arrived at the conclus ion andall that l ik e . But, i f all you said there, sounds l ik e tome l ike that t h i s d o e s n ' t r e a l l y q u a l i f y your action here a sfor environmental asse s sment or environmental impacts tatement or enviromental document under 40 C F R .

C A R L E D L U N D :J i m , t h e r e ' s been a f i n d i n g that goes beyond thoserequirements that exceeds the requirements of N a t i o n a lEnvironmental P o l i c y A c t . S o w e d o n ' t p r e p a r e u s thatdocument because what w e ' r e t a l k i n g about i s more than tha t .I t ' s more than tha t . I t goes beyond that .

J I M WOOD:A r e these t h e S i t e ' s s p e c i f i c f i n d i n g s ?

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :Y e s , sir.

J I M WOOD:Each S i t e h a s s e p a r a t e f i n d i n g s ?

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C A R L E D L U N D :Y e s , sir. •

J I M WOOD:A r e those f i n d i n g s a v a i l a b l e n o w i n th i s material I ' l l get?

CARL E D L U N D :Y e s , sir. T h e y s hou ld be a v a i l a b l e in the l i brary in ...

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :I t ' s a t t h e O l a C i t y H a l l , too.

CARL E D L U N D :Y e a h . We try to make all of that i n f o r m a t i o n a v a i l a b l e att h e i n f o r m a t i o n d e p o s i t o r i e s .

J I M WOOD:C o u l d you put it at the D a r d a n e l l e L i b r a r y , too?

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :Y e s .

J I M WOOD:I t ' s part o f t h e Y e l l C o u n t y Regional Library.

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :Okay.

L L O Y D G E O R G E :How do we, excuse me, how are we g o i n g to get these -- allof these a d d r e s s e s and everything?

CARL E D L U N D :We have cards.

L L O Y D G E O R G E :

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I mean, if we want to get Mr. W o o d on the l i s t , and theD a r d a n e l l e L i b r a r y a n d . . .

J I M WOOD:I ' l l give h i m m y a d d r e s s .

L U H A R D I N :H e y , J i m , i f y o u want t o , excuse m e , I ' m about t o lo s e m yvoice, d r o p by my law o f f i c e tomorrow, p i ck it up in themorning and you can take it with you and keep it three orf o u r weeks. I t w i l l b e a t m y l a w o f f i c e . I ' v e g o t ac o m p l e t e copy and it. w i l l be awhile b e f o r e they can get itt o you. A n d , i t ' s about that thick. S o , i f y o u want t od r o p b y t h e l a w o f f i c e , j u s t — I ' l l t e l l them y o u ' r e comingand you can p i c k it up and keep it as l ong as you want.

J I M WOOD:Okay. If I — J a m e s Lee has one t oo , he said ...

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :Y e s .

J I M WOOD:S o , i f I d o n ' t g e t h i s , I ' • 1 1 . . .

L U H A R D I N :You'd b e t t e r because i t w i l l take a b e t t e r part o f a . nightto read the whole t h i n g . It has about a thousand p a g e s .

G A R Y M A R T I N :R e g a r d i n g your comment, the F a c t Shee t that was handed outis a summary of the Environmental F i n d i n g s , which is a b r i e f

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summary of that , d o c u m e n t ,E L L E N G R E E N E Y :

Are there any other que s t i on s or concerns? Las t chance.J U D G E J A M E S L E E W I T T :

I ' m J u d g e W i t t , Y e l l C o u n t y . H o w l o n g b e f o r e that p r o p e r t y- - a f t e r i t ' s c l eaned u p , h o w l o n g b e f o r e that p r o p e r t y w i l lbe back in p r o d u c t i o n as far as somebody do ing somethingwith it?

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :Once the incinerat ion p r o c e s s - i s c o m p l e t e ? T i m ?

T I M Mahon:J u d g e W i t t , once the proce s s i s done , part of the beauty oft h e remedy i s that i t ' s go ing t o b e , what w e ' v e been c a l l i n git, is a "walk-away remedy". So once all the p u m p i n g isdone and all the moni t or ing is done to insure everyth ing isc l e a n , which w e ' v e p l a n n e d f o r o n e year, a f t e r t h a t , aboute igh t e en-month s time p e r i o d . P l a n for one year o fm o n i t o r i n g , then a s suming that everyth ing comes up c l e a n ,then w e ' l l b e w a l k i n g away.

C H A R L E S B O L L A N :A n d then, I ' m C h a r l e s B o l l a n . A n d then, w h o w i l l have i t ?

, C A R L E D L U N D :W e l l t h a t ' s -- I may need to c on su l t on t h a t , but what Timis saying is part of the — the way S u p e r f u n d works is thatwe go out and f i n d r e s p o n s i b l e p a r t i e s that c l ean up the

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S i t e ; we p r e f e r to have them do it. S o m e t i m e s there arec orpora t i on s or c ompani e s that have gone b e l l y - u p andbankrup t cy . But, i f y o u d o n ' t have v iab l e r e s p o n s i b l ep a r t i e s there to c lean it up, we go an spend the money, butthen, we go back and try to recover the cost f r o m anybodywho might be l e g a l l y r e s p o n s i b l e for the S i t e . Obviou s ly ,the S i t e i t s e l f is an asset because somebody owns that . TheThe banks or whatever e l s e got made somehow, uh, become partof the -- the sa l e of the S i t e , w i l l become part of themoney t h a t ' s used t o o f f s e t t h e money w e ' v e spent t o cleanit up. So, the t i t l e work and th ing s l ike that might take al i t t l e longer a f t e r the S i t e has been cleaned up, I guess i st h e po int I ' m t r y i n g t o make. I t ' s a l i t t l e d i f f i c u l t t op r e d i c t that in the f u t u r e . In f a c t , they — maybe some ofthat can be done s i d e by s ide dur ing the c l ean-up . Thel ega l work t h a t ' s necessary.

C H A R L E S B O L L A N :So, w e ' r e t a l k i n g s i x months o r a year or f i v e years?

C A R L E D L U N D :W e d o n ' t know. I ' l l t e l l y o u t h e a b s o l u t e t ru th , w e ' r e j u s tthe po int of c l ean ing up s i t e s now. The EPA has go t t en al o t o f f l a c k about no t moving t oo qu i ck ly . So, I h a v e n ' tg o t t e n that f a r wi th s i t e s yet. I would hope i t ' s n o t t h a t ,-- I would hope i t ' s no t any f i v e year p e i o d . I would hopei t ' s over quicker. I th ink i t ' s a good comment. I t ' s

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s ome th ing that 1 a p p r e c i a t e your p u t t i n g into the record,a n d maybe i t ' s s ome th ing w e c a n i n c o r p o r a t e into o u r p l a n s ,to try to get t h i n g s d o n e , s ide by s i d e ins tead ofc o n s e c u t i v e l y .

L L O Y D G E O R G E :Let me i n j e c t s ometh ing here. I know, I know what Mr.B o l l a n ' s f e e l i n g s a r e here, I know what h e ' s t a l k i n g about.T h i s came t o m y mind. H e ' s t a l k i n g about t h e S i t e therethat has a new m i l l and p l a n t on it . And now, that i s n ' ti n c l u d e d in it. I mean, the use of that -- a r e n ' t you, Mr.B o l l a n ? I s n ' t that what your a d d r e s s i n g t h e department heret o n i g h t ?

C H A R L E S B O L L A N :I had interest a l so in the one involved in Pla inv i ew . Iwanted to g e t . . .

L L O Y D G E O R G E :. . . B u t , let me ask you t h i s , because if we could ever getthat op en , we could have some j o b s . The S i t e where thef a c i l i t y has been bu i l t which is east of the l a g o o n , is thatt i ed up -- is that land t i ed up in there?

CARL E D L U N D :I d o n ' t know. Do you know?

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :Over here where the s a w m i l l is?

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Okay. I w o n ' t d e l a y anyt ime . A n s w e r that t o m e b y l e t t e rbecause I thought that was what you were t a l k i n g about.

C H A R L E S B O L L A N :W e l l i t was p a r t i a l l y .

L L O Y D G E O R G E :I got to know if we could p o s s i b l y get that p l a n t down thereopera t e s . Ought to be j o b s for ...

CARL E D L U N D :I be l ieve it is -- I b e l i ev e , l e g a l l y it is a part of theS i t e because its all one parcel and ...

L L O Y D GEORGE:No, no, no. I was involved in that. We bought that andb u i l t it because we had to clean up the S i t e , so we j u s tbought it all to b u i l d that m i l l down there at the S i t e . Is u p p o s e , i t ' s a technical t h i n g , b u t I ' d l ike t o have a nanswer about that in case we could open that f a c i l i t y andhire some p e o p l e whether i t ' s involved i n t h e lagoon o r not.

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :Okay. W e ' l l check into thi s . A n y other quest ions a t thist ime, or comments? Not commenting or asking questionst o n i g h t , t h a t ' s okay, you can s t i l l write any comments orques t ions either one, if you l ike .

L L O Y D G E O R G E :I f t h e r e ' s n o t a n y more qu e s t i on s , I ' l l c l o s e a n d hand i tback to our mayor. S e n a t o r Lu H a r d i n is here and J u d g e W i t t

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i s back there, a n d I ' m here, t h e mayor i s here. I f y o u havea n y q u e s t i o n s , t h i s i s a t t h e C i t y H a l l a n d a s M r . W o o d ' sasked, it w i l l be at the D a r a a n e l l e Library .

J I M WOOD:It would be real neat if it could be put there.

L L O Y D GEORGE:Can you hand l e that?

E L L E N G R E E N E Y :N o p r o b l e m .

L L O Y D GEORGE:A l l r ight . T h a t ' l l b e done a n d y o u ' l l notice their a d d r e s sand everything is in here if you have f u r t h e r questions andt o even make i t easier on you, I've a l r eady spoken t oSenator L u H a r d i n . W e ' r e a v a i l a b l e , a n d o f course, t h emayor here i s a v a i l a b l e . I f y o u want s ome th ing , I ' ma v a i l a b l e to you anytime. Ask me and i f I don't know theanswer, I ' l l g e t t h e answer f r o m them f r o m w r i t i n g l e t t e r so r phone c a l l s . I ' l l g e t a n answer o r whatever i t takes.I ' l l turn i t back t o o u r mayor, Doctor Penning ton . O ' N e a l ?

M A Y O R P E N N I N G T O N :I think this has been a very f r u i t f u l meeting. The purpo s eof th i s mee t ing was to i n f o r m the p u b l i c and I think thatwith the news media here and the p e o p l e that are here, itw i l l be i n f o r m e d as we could wi th it. A n d , I think thatinput f r o m the p u b l i c h e l p s t h i s in the outcome to turn out

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to be l ik e we all want , a h e a l t h y , w e l l , c lean environment ,and clean s o i l , and get it back to normal use. A n d , I thinkt h a t ' s what we are all l o o k i n g for and I t h ink , by ourworking toge ther , i t w i l l come o u t that way. I t ' s j u s tgoing to take a few more years. We a p p r e c i a t e everybody andI bel ieve thi s c l o s e s the mee t ing unle s s somebody has somemore ques t ions .

C A R L E D L U N D :Thank you very much.

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I , Larry S h e p h e r d , O f f i c i a l Chancery Court Repor t er wi th in a n d f o rthe F i f t e e n t h Chancery D i s t r i c t o f the S t a t e o f A r k a n s a s , do herebys ta t e that the 32 f o r e g o i n g t y p e w r i t t e n p a g e s , c on s t i t u t e a true andc o m p l e t e t r a n s c r i p t i o n of the p r o c e e d i n g s in the cap t i oned case at thetime and p l a c e named in the c a p t i o n herein.

W i t n e s s my hand as such, Chancery Court Repor t er and N o t a r y P u b l i c ,on the 22nd day of December, 1987.

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