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Syria wont make GOPs immigration problemgo poof and disappearByGreg Sargent, Published: September 12 at 2:58 pm E-mail the writer

I noted this morning that the overarching factor that will shape this falls fiscal fightsis the deep schism within the GOP over how aggressively to wage war on Obamacare.

For all the talk about how Obamas mishandling of Syria diminishes or weakens him

for coming confrontations, all of that is largely irrelevant to the central question: Can

Republicans resolve their own internal differences?

Its worth noting that a similar dynamic is present on immigration. Whatever Obamas

standing in relation to Congress, it wont change the GOPs predicament on

immigration one iota.

Jorge Ramos, the widely influential Univision anchor who has been called the Walter

Cronkite of Hispanic media, today published a column that illustrates this nicely.Republicans and neutral commentators say the Syria debate probably means

immigration reform will be delayed indefinitely. This is, of course, a cop out, and

Ramos says so rather bluntly. Heres the translation, courtesy of Americas Voice:

Syria has turned into the biggest excuse to delay, and even eliminate, the chance for

immigration reform this year. The enormous international consequences of an

attack on Syria are giving the most conservative Republicans the pretext they were

looking for not to give a path to citizenship to the undocumented.

Im not trying to downplay the significance of Syriabut Hispanics and immigrants

in the United States deserve better. The last time immigration reform happened

was in 1986, and in 2007 a (weak) immigration bill died of starvation in Congress.

How much longer do we have to wait? [...]

Delaying the debate over immigration reform because of the conflict in Syria is

simply an unacceptable excuse. Truly important things should not be delayed. Syria

and immigration can, and should, both be discussed and resolved before the year

ends.

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joelwisch2 wrote:

As Ramos has previously noted, if immigration reform dies, the Hispanic media and

Latinos generally will hold House Republicans, and House Republicans alone,

responsible for it. Ramos message above is that if Republicans try to use Syria as an

excuse for inaction, Latinos will see right through that, too.

The debate in Washington right now is heavily focused on whether Obamas handling

of Syria in particular, Congress apparent rejection of his request for authorization

has badly weakened his ability to realize the rest of his agenda. Immigration reform,

of course, is a major item on that agenda.

But when it comes to immigration as with this falls fiscal fights that question is

largely irrelevant. Obamas standing or strength with regard to Congress wont

play any significant role in determining whether immigration reform happens. That,

too, is a question that turns only on whether Republicans resolve their differences over

it.

Immigration reforms fate, at bottom, rests solely on whether Republicans decide it

needs to pass for the long term good of the party. Either they will decide killing reform

is too risky, because it will lock in anti-GOP hostility among Latinos for a generation

or more. Or they will decide passing reform wont do enough to win over Latinos,

given their disagreement with the GOP on other issues, and that the downsides of

alienating the base arent worth the potential upsides. Neither the fact that Congress is

distracted by Syria, nor Obamas short term dip in popularity or standing or whatever

you want to call it, will have anything whatsoever to do with that decision. Nor will

Latino reaction to the GOPs eventual decision. Does anyone imagine that if

Republicans kill reform, Latinos will somehow see the Syria debate or, even more

ludicrously, Beltway-generated ideas about Obamas standing as mitigating

factors?

When looked at through the prism of specific issues such as immigration reform or

the budget arguments to come the notion that the Syria mess somehow diminishesthe chances for key items on Obamas agenda, or somehow changes the calculus for

Republicans with regard to how to approach them, is plainly absurd on its face.

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Im not trying to downplay the significance of Syriabut Hispanics and immigrants in the United States

deserve better

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Hispanics and immigrants already have citizenship. Illegal aliens do not, and I would instantly wonder if this is

a thugs attempt to demand the illegal aliens.. one and all.. be provided citizenship, and American Laws be

tossed?

Why is this even happening?

Do I need to remind everyone the Hispanics are a 15% minority in the United States, with the illegal aliens

representing another 6%. The illegal aliens are the fastest growing group in this country at this point, and

while they vote, they can be beaten. We have been asking that the law be enforced since 1990.. 23 years.

Congress has made many promises.. have lied like a rug to us.. opened the borders there for a while.. and

generally, have not acted like representatives at all.

We do NOT want amnesty for the illegal aliens, and we do not want citizenship for the illegal aliens. We

should not be asked and Obama should be made to enforce the Immigration Law in the Interior as it should

be.. as it was designed to be.

4:11 PM PDT

Watching House republicans is like watching members of a shrinking religious cult excommunicate each other

for heresy

fallday13 wrote:

4:31 PM PDT

That is a terrific simile. Very apt.

rukiddingagain responds:

3:15 PM PDT

Legalizing ILLEGAL aliens is not immigration reform no matter how many ways you say it.

Progressives for Immigration Reform:

http://www.progressivesforimmigrationreform.org/

get_involved wrote:

4:32 PM PDT

And saying it is not immigration reform is absurd no matter how many times you post it!!!


7:16 PM PDT

Reform - 1. make changes in (something, typically a social, political, or economic institution or

practice) in order to improve it.

~ To bring about a change in (someone) so that they no longer behave in an immoral, criminal, or

self-destructing manner.

So really by dictionary definition, yes it would be immigration reform. They are immigrants because

they immigrated from another country. Status doesn't matter. No one calls the bill "Legal Immigration

reform."

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3:09 PM PDT

Actually, Syria gives cover to lawmakers who would like to pass immigration reform, but who prefer to fly

under the radar because the folks can only focus on so much and Syria diverts attention away from

immigration, which makes this a good time to pass it.

mehuwss wrote:

3:10 PM PDT

Actually, Congress has nothing to do with Syria now. It is in the hands of Kerry, the Russian

negotiators, and the UN. The REpublican lunatics can get back to work repealing Obamacare again

any time they want.

WendellWillkie responds:

3:02 PM PDT

Pass immigration reform. Welcome our immigrants. Put them on the path to citizenship. Send home the ones

who are wanted for crimes back in their home countries and put all of this behind us.

Latin American immigrants have helped to transform Baltimore. We now have more great eateries, roast-

chicken takeouts, bodegas, etc, than ever before.

I have wonderful neighbors from Honduras. Maybe there's too many in the house, but they have brought with

them their culture which is wonderfully family-centered. The genuine affection of their neighborliness to me, I

try to return 10 times over.

And then there's the soccer games in the park - what was once an eyesore of a barren field is three great

soccer fields where the games on the weekends are played with the gusto of the World Cup.

We could not ask for a better new wave of immigrants. Whoever it is that is having such a problem with these

wonderful, beautiful people: Get over it!!~!

Baltoprofwrote:

3:19 PM PDT

The reason why they share a house it that the undocumented do not qualify for rentals because they

do not have proof of income, valid id cards and credit history. That will change once they gain legal

status.

mehuwss responds:

3:22 PM PDT

If they are so family centered, why are they hooking up with women here while their family is back

home waiting for their monthly checks?

We want a new wave of immigrants ... LEGAL ones ... who give more to the economy than they

steal from it.

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4:33 PM PDT

Mr Smith does the A stand for asswhole?


7:27 PM PDT

asmith1,

Now, now. Let's not pretend extramarital affairs are only commonly practiced by Illegal Latino men.There are plenty hypocritical American men hooking up with their flooseys on the side while playing

happy, family man at home in their own cities. Or soilders hooking up with the hot medic overseas

while their pregnant wife waits at home (or other way around trashy wife hooking up with the

neighbor). There are also many men and women, Latino and American, legal and illegal who view

marriage as what is should be; a covenant to each other and possibly to the higher power they

believe in.

In fact, there are hints your prime example of great leadership of immigration fixing magician Dwight

D. Eisenhower had an affair with his aide.

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/06/06/us/eisenhower-le...


8:22 PM PDT

Pass immigration reform. Welcome our immigrants. Put them on the path to citizenship. Send home

the ones who are wanted for crimes back in their home countries and put all of this behind us.

-----------------------------------------

Confirmed: Majority of Illegal Immigrants Receive Government Welfare

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/confirmed-majority-of-illegal-

immigrants-receive-government-welfare/#sthash.pn1EdiG4.dpuf

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Our country.. its water, power, waste disposal, communication.

(Don't drink the water)

http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/

Mexican Migrant Trains

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/train-carrying-hundreds-migrants-derailed-

mexico/story?id=20071646

(They say thousands.. I say hundreds of thousands.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/mexican-t...

World Population (make sure you scroll down)

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

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There is one.. ONE family planning office in Mexico. It is in Mexico City and open ... occasionally.

Nobody ever heard of such things in Central and South America.

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Central American Infrastructure

http://www.marketresearch.com/Business-Monitor-International-v304/Central-

America-Infrastructure-Q3-7622199/

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J obs & Skills.. Perspectives

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Edward Alden: Building a Better Workforce

http://www.ideaslaboratory.com/2013/08/02/edward-alden-building-a-better-

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NO! And if you read the links, it should be clear as a bell why not. Enforce the law.. detain and

deport in the interior as well as at the border. They will tire.. they will stay home, and it is the law

that that be what we do.

3:00 PM PDT

When Democrats see Mexico and El Salvador, they become inspired. "Dictatorship can be had sooner than we

thought. These people like that sh*t."

P-BASS wrote:

4:35 PM PDT

Shame on your parents for raising such an ignorant hater. Can't you disgusting examples of

humanity hang out where the hell you belong with the other losers on red state or drudge or fox?


8:24 PM PDT

Dirty words, dirty ideas, and not a shred of justification for the comment. J ust a case of trashing the

neighbor hood, and making an implied threat.

joelwisch2 responds:

2:49 PM PDT

Illegal aliens could be made to disappear quickly if Congress would just pass a National E -Verify mandate and

enforce it.

It worked for Eisenhower and it can work today

asmith1 wrote:

2:51 PM PDT

Eisenhower had e-verify? ROTFLMFAO

Baltoprofresponds:

2:53 PM PDT

He enforced our immigration laws that were on the books - he didn't need E-Verify ... he WAS E-

Verify and in less than a year the illegal aliens were GONE!

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3:08 PM PDT

Neither Eisenhower nor Reagan would be nominated by today's Republican lunatic base.


3:23 PM PDT

It doesn't matter, neither are alive ... so what are you saying ... presidential candidates are all ?

Eunichs like Obama?

asmith1 responds:

4:14 PM PDT

Eisenhower was dealing with thousands of people you cannot do that with eleven million

fallday13 responds:

2:38 PM PDT

Ethnic Cleansing American Style.

"In February 1930, in San Antonio, Texas, 5,000 Mexicans and Mexican Americans gathered at the citys

railroad station to depart the United States for settlement in Mexico. In August, a special train carried another

2,000 to central Mexico.

Most Americans are familiar with the forced relocation in 1942 of 112,000 J apanese Americans from the West

Coast to internment camps. Far fewer are aware that during the Great Depression, the Federal Bureau of

Immigration (after 1933, the Immigration and Naturalization Service) and local authorities rounded up Mexican

immigrants and naturalized Mexican American citizens and shipped them to Mexico to reduce relief roles. In a

shameful episode, more than 400,000 repatriodos, many of them citizens of the United States by birth, were

sent across the U.S.-Mexico border from Arizona, California, and Texas. The Mexican-born population in

Texas was reduced by a third. Los Angeles also lost a third of its Mexican population. In Los Angeles, the only

Mexican American student at Occidental College sang a painful farewell song to serenade departing

Mexicans."

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtID=2&psid=3448

Liam-still wrote:

2:48 PM PDT

You one-sided interpretation of immigration doesn't line up with congressional legislation.

And then Eisenhower cleaned up the left overs in 1954. The last real immigration leader

asmith1 responds:

3:12 PM PDT

No way the lunatics would nominate Eisenhower today.


3:25 PM PDT

It would be a little tough to do that ... since he died more than 40 years ago. Eisenhower was a

LEADER who knew how to run a country and take care of the citizens ... what we have in office

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today is a Eunich

7:04 PM PDT

People were also a lot more racist during Eisenhower's time. Segregation was still common, skin

color ruled where you got to live for a lot more than just the Latino community. I'd say a lot has

changed since then, so continuing to use Eisenhower as your example in today's world doesn't do a

whole lot for your arguments. You're right, he's dead, he can't be a leader for this country and the

ones we have now (Obama, Boehner, etc.) aren't doing a great job at fixing any of today's

segregation. But there are 11 million + people and honestly we can't afford to send them all home,

do you know how much debt we're in?!


2:34 PM PDT

America has an immigration problem - as Democrats want to sell out US workers by legalizing 11 million to

pander to Hispanics. The Senate bill has a cutoff of 12/31/2011 - so people arriving after that aren't covered.

Once this passes, the Democrats will insist that we do NOT enforce the laws on the books except the onesthat enable people to live here illegally. We'll do another immigration reform in 2030 for another 11 million

people.

Someone Somewhere wrote:

2:40 PM PDT

Clearly you are too dumb to grasp the fact that those people are already working here, for far less

wages than they would be if they were brought out of the shadows.

Liam-still responds:

2:51 PM PDT

And if they left, all those jobs - especially in the blue collar field - millions of Americans who held

those jobs for decades would be back at work.

We grasp the meaning of the problem very clearly. They are only working here because our

president refuses to enforce our immigration and employment laws.

asmith1 responds:

3:21 PM PDT

"They are only working here because our president refuses to enforce our immigration andemployment laws."

-what the..??

jblanchard1 responds:

3:24 PM PDT

Apparently George W.Bush had cleared them all out of the country and Obama let them all back in!

Obama Derangement Syndrome On Parade From Right Wing Loons.


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3:26 PM PDT

Obama gave them work permits instead of enforcing our immigration laws. The last REAL

immigration leader we had was Eisenhower - today all we have living in the WH is a Eunich

asmith1 responds:

3:39 PM PDT

So you are calling Reagan, Bush One, and Bush Two Eunuchs for not having deported all the

millions of undocumented workers.

Ronnie's statue is going to look strange without his manly accouterments. Of course it is well known

that Nancy kept them in her purse since 1980.


7:09 PM PDT

The Obama administration has deported far more illegals than Bush. They're at about 400,000 a

year. And he gave work permits to kids who know more about American culture than the culture ofthe birth countries. Not all Illegals, although he should.


2:25 PM PDT

Dawg:

Ordinary aka/Real Americans are Conservative Americans

burkhalter wrote:

2:31 PM PDT

Because such Americans act against their own best interest, making life easier for the 1% at their

own expense, I would refer to them as the Stupid Americans, or perhaps the Deluded Americans.

Local Bird responds:

2:23 PM PDT

Local Birdresponds:

4:20 PM CDT

Republicans don't care about ordinary Americans -- why would they care about poor migrants/

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And yet YOU are the one that will be the cause of lower wages for Americans through immigration reform, but

you care, jerk!

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2:27 PM PDT

Let me explain the facts of economic life to you:

Illegal (but not criminal) immigrants live in the US under the constant fear of deportation.

Therefore they will not put up a fuss about low pay (or even no pay) or wretched working conditions.

Therefore they hold down pay and working conditions, as long as they remain here.

But, with immigration reform, such exploited workers will be able to demand equal treatment. Thus

they will be paid the same as everyone else, they will be able to work in safety, etc. etc. etc.


2:32 PM PDT

Hence, the liberal solution just conveniently happens to be open borders and, effectively, universal

US citizenship.

If you really don't like America, that's a good solution.

quarterbackresponds:

2:14 PM PDT

New thread:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2...

sargegreg wrote:

2:13 PM PDT

Hispanics mostly don't vote Republican now. Letting 20 million Spanish speaking criminals become US citizens

is not going to change that. The GOP needs to wake up and realize it is losing the respect and votes of

AMERICANS.

We don't need reform, we need enforcement.

JohnSteel wrote:

2:14 PM PDT

Mark Levin on station break?

shrink2 responds:

2:17 PM PDT

funny shrink

PoppyCockresponds:

2:17 PM PDT

Boom.

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2:17 PM PDT

Shrink, It is just political outreach Republican Style. They sure know how to talk purty to minorities

and wimmin"!


2:18 PM PDT

After Reagan did amnesty, republicans got a whopping 30% of the Hispanic vote. There is no plus

side to immigration reform for Republicans

TheNumberOneRule responds:

2:19 PM PDT

The guy that buses your table and refills your water is not a CRIMINAL.


2:19 PM PDT

#1

I would have to double check, but I'm fairly certain that that's more than they're getting now.

samurai99 responds:

2:20 PM PDT

Republicans don't care about ordinary Americans -- why would they care about poor migrants?


2:20 PM PDT

Local Birdresponds:

4:19 PM CDT

The guy that buses your table and refills your water is not a CRIMINAL

------------------------------------------------------------

If he is here without being a citizen and doesn't have a work visa, he is a criminal


2:24 PM PDT

So working is now a crime?

At least that explains why Mitt hasn't worked for a living in years.

But show me in the United States Code where working is a crime.


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Liam-stillresponds:

3:58 PM CDT

You mean in all those locations in California and the Southwest with Spanish Place Names that were given to

them before the White Ethnic Cleansers took them over?!

===============================================================

Learn a little history, Mexico SOLD California to the United States.

TheNumberOneRule wrote:

2:13 PM PDT

There was a little war involved......

barandsail responds:

2:14 PM PDT

Yeah, Mexico v. Mexico


2:15 PM PDT

`The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo specified the major consequence of the war: the forced Mexican

Cession of the territories of Alta California and New Mexico to the U.S. in exchange for $15 million.

In addition, the United States assumed $3.25 million of debt owed by the Mexican government to

U.S. citizens. Mexico accepted the loss of Texas and thereafter cited the Rio Grande as its national

border.


2:15 PM PDT

So...Bought with a gun to their head.


2:15 PM PDT

I am sure the Hispanics living in NM and AZ for the past 300+ years would be surprised to know that

they have been taken over.

PoppyCockresponds:

2:16 PM PDT

Actually, that gun had exploded many thousands of heads first.

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Bought, is that what some troll was saying?

God they're ignorant.

2:21 PM PDT

Newsflash.....

Wingnut are Ignorant.


2:22 PM PDT

Yes, hundreds of thousands of Hispanic Americans never crossed a border -- the border crossed

THEM.


2:36 PM PDT

Right Wing Hate Mongers must believe that when the US bought California, they also bought the

right to rid it of Spanish speaking people who were living there.


2:11 PM PDT

All conservatives are morons....

72 Percent of Americans Want Congress to Balance the Budget in Five Years or Less

http://reason.com/blog/2013/09/12/72-percent-of-am...

Well if they asked the question better, they'd find 80% of Americans want to balance the budget before Xmas.

shrink2 wrote:

2:12 PM PDT

Yes or no. Would you approve if America had a balanced budget in the next few weeks?

80%, easy.

shrink2 responds:

2:12 PM PDT

Heuristic vs. systematic processing at work. It sounds good, has some face validity, it's kind of

truthy.... but the practicalities will find support plummets.

Dezzie responds:

2:14 PM PDT

The real moron is the pollster who wrote the question. Why didn't we find out who was in favor of

Santa Claus?

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2:14 PM PDT

First rule of polling:

Stay vague in your poll questions , then you can manipulate the scores easier.

Dssgrl responds:

2:15 PM PDT

I'm also in favor of peace and love and a cure for cancer. Before Thanksgiving.

shrink2 responds:

2:15 PM PDT

I like Santa Claus.

mindnumbrobot responds:

2:18 PM PDT

Ok ,that is one in the "like" column

PoppyCockresponds:

2:19 PM PDT

Isn't Reason a Libertarian publication?


2:19 PM PDT

If they come in at around $600 - 700 billion for the deficit for FY2013 as has been projected, it's not

out of the question, but ten years is more realistic.

Of course that would require the full grand bargain with significant new tax revenues.

jnc4p responds:

2:20 PM PDT

Polls are quick and easy and cheap, but they often misstate the questions or fail to gain any specific

insights. It's a lot costlier to inform respondents and then take an attitude measure. Not everyone

with a laptop and a cellphone can conduct quality research, but lots of people think that. It's one ofmy very great pet peeves.

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2:07 PM PDT

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