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The Journey The Mindsets

Published July 27, 2010

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In my first post about my journey about walking in the supernatural, I talked a little about the mindsetsthat I held, but I dont think I did a sufficient job. So here I go:

Mindset #1: Ignorance

What I believed:

Up until my first encounter with the supernatural power of God, it didnt even cross my mind thatpeople could be healed of sickness or delivered from demons. That kind of stuff only happened inforeign countries like Africa.

What it looked like:

I was a Sunday Christian. I knew I wanted more of God, but I didnt know what looked like. If someonementioned something about the supernatural, I probably would have said, Sure, if God wills it.

The fruit:

Didnt help anybody with this mindset. I had wise words, but no power. (1 Cor 2:4 )

How it changed:

I saw people get healed at a Jesus Culture conference. I heard people testify that they felt their cancersores dissolving; it was too undeniable.

Mindset #2: Mental Understanding of His word

What I believed:

I finally had a biblical understanding that healing existed and that it was for today. I would defend thatbelief to my death, but I couldnt prove it in experience. I knew God had the ability to heal people, but Ididnt really believe that God could use me.

I had the mental understanding of what the Word said, but I still had more faith in the physical situationthan the ability that God put in me to change it (dominion, authority).
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When I would pray for people, I believed that if I said the right magic words and if there was somekind of perfect cosmic alignment, the power of God would be finally released.

What it looked like:

I wished with every fiber of my being that I could get people healed. I often failed to even approachpeople.

Whenever I prayed for people for healing during this time, I was always thinking in my mind, I hope thisworks, I hope thi s works, God you better show up, God you better show up, please be healed.

My prayers would sound something like God please come and heal, I know you can do it. I spent moretime persuading and reminding myself that God had power and trying to convince God that I had faith inHis word more than I did speaking to the problem (Mark 11:23 ).

Whenever someone didnt get healed, I had to wrestle through it before I prayed for the next personbecause Id be thinking, Well, they didnt get healed last time, so Im not sure theyre going to get

healed this time. I often let thoughts like that seep into my thinking and it would hinder me fromstepping out to talk to people.

In other words, I created a theology based out of my experience. I allowed my past experience toinfluence my future.

There was a lot of begging and a lot of works. Revival prayer meetings were often about God, give usan open heaven, or Let your glory fall so that we could see miracles without actually expressing faiththrough works (James 2:22 ).

We often prayed for more boldness, had a lot of great ideas for bringing revival, but there was very little

action-producing faith.

The fruit:

Still many wise words, very little power. When I started listening to Bethels podcasts, I had even morewise words, but still little power.
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Although I prayed for and saw 2-3 people healed of pains during this time, I never expected them tohappen and most of all, I was surprised to find out that they were healed.

How it changed:

While I was at Bethel, I began to realize that it wasnt a matter of words, but rather faith in God.

It isnt enough just to say that I have faith in God. The proof of whether you believe or not is whetherit produces action or not.

Although Bethels Healing Room training did not help me have faith in what God already gave me andWho was IN me, the training helped me realize that I had a faithful Father.

Mindset #3: Faith in God

What I believed:

God is good. All the time and Hes also in a good mood. I had full assurance that God would come if Iasked.

It was no longer about a perfect cosmic alignment, its more about Gods abundance goodness andthat He is good -er than we can imagine. He is more willing to the sick than I am because Hes morecompassionate than I am.

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Bethel is very big on asking God to come. The premise of Be thels healing rooms ministry is about Godcoming, and having fun and seeing God do amazing things when He comes.

Again, like I wrote in the previous post, their core value was, When we pray, God comes, and we Hecomes, does good things because Hes a good God and Hes in a good mood.

This core value instilled in me a confidence that if I ask God to come, He will undoubtedly come.

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All I had to do (to heal the sick), was to ask God to come and He would do His stuff.

What my life looked like:

I saw more people get healed with this mindset (granted, I was only in this mindset for a few months) Ihad the confidence to say God will heal you right now, because I had complete faith that God wouldcome and do His stuff.

At this point I no longer felt a need to pray and fast or cry out to God for an open heaven , because Iknew I already had one.
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I no longer had to beg God because my perspective of Him changed. He was no longer a corrupt father,trying withhold blessing from his children, but a loving, faithful Father who sent his Son whilewe were still sinners.

I knew theologically that God is good but like most other churched people, th at was just a vain

repetition. I didnt act like I really believed that He was good. The God is good, all the time phrasecame to life again.

Hes better than you think .

How it changed:

I started to listening to Curry Blake s stuff and began to realize that God gave us responsibility. God isgood, but He is so good that He empowered us to represent Him. I began to realize the finished work of the cross and what it paid for and how to live as a new creation in the New Covenant.

I no longer had to ask God to come, because He set up residence in me when I became a believer. TheHoly Spirit abides, and doesnt leave

You dont tell someone whos next to you to come. Its like paging a doctor whos in the room.

I realized asking God to come and heal was like a U.S. soldier calling the Commander -in-Chief (Obama), and asking him to come and shoot the enemy (complete nonsense).

I knew that God, by Himself, had the ability to heal, but He would much rather do it with me.

Mindset #4: Authority - Faith of God

What I believed:

I have all authority in Christ. The devil has none. The law of authority is this:

The one who is under authority must submit to the one who has authority. Period.

The one under authority is the kingdom of darkness. The ones who have ALL authority are those in theKingdom of Light. (Matt 10:1 , Luke 9:1 , Luke 10:19 , Matt 28:18 , Eph 1:21-23 , Col 2:15 )

We have absolute dominion as light in a world of darkness. (1 John 4:4 , 1 John 5:4 )

I win. I finally realized that I had power and authority to crush every work of darkness wherever I went.

Healing the sick was not a matter of asking God, but a matter of speaking to a mountain (Mark 11:23 ) and having believed that what I say will come to pass (2 Cor 4:13 ).

What my life looked like:
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I had this mindset when I first started in Bethels healing rooms. I saw most of th e people I prayed forget healed. Sometime it was instant, sometimes it took 30 minutes. I saw a few people get out of thewalker/wheelchair, deafness healed, hundreds of legs grow out, and every kind of pain go.

How it changed:

There was a point where healing the sick became a routine. I would go heal someone because I knewthat I had authority to do it, and I knew that the devil would have to listen to me.

It was a mixture of catching myself in this mindset, and going to the JGLM LifeTeam Conference inColorado with Curry Blake/Joe Funaro.

Mindset #5: Ministering Life, walking in Compassion

Beyond the authority aspect, I realized that I was also ministering Divine life (1 John 5:12 ).

Beyond realizing that I had all authority, I realized that the motivation must be about having compassion

on people (Matt 9:36 ).

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You can heal the sick without having compassion on the person. If you do it enough, you will realize thatyoure missing something. It is easy to get caught up in the fact that God is working with you to do theimpossible, and its good to have fun and enjoy it. But the emphasis shouldnt be on what happened,but who it happened to.

That is why the best testimonies arent ones like, We saw someones leg grow out, but the ones like,A ladys leg grew out and she was healed of 30 years of constant back pain, and she could pick up her

daug hter for the first time without any pain.

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Hopefully this helps!

The Journey; Up to This Point

Published June 9, 2010

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I want to start with this:

All this about healing the sick and casting out demons, they have NOTHING to do with gifts of healingor any other gift of the Spirit. It is solely operating out of the authority through the name of Jesus.
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If this was truly gifts of healing then it would make sense for there to be a gift of casting outdemons, and there isnt.

After going to Jesus Culture with Todd Bentley (2007), I struggled for 3 years tryingto figure out how to walk this healing thing out.

Immediately after the conference, the lens I saw life through were completely changed. Whenever I sawsomeone on a crutch, or a cast, or overhearing someone say they were in pain, I could not help butthink, they could be healed!

The biggest struggle during that time was what if they dont get healed? Pretty much every single timeI encountered a need for physical healing, I would let that question get the best of me.

I knew Gods willingness to heal; I found it logically absurd that God wouldnt want someone well. Heck,he created our natural bodies to heal, why wouldnt He want to speed it u p?

Some of the other reasons as to why I never really stepped out was because of fear of man (people aregoing to think Im weird, and if they dont get healed, Im going to look like an idiot) and the fact that Ihad no idea how to approach people who needed healing.

Every now and then I would hear a testimony from a friend about someone getting healed in a store, orsome other random place, and it would make me jealous (in a good way). I desperately wanted to knowHOW they did it. HOW did they pray?

About a year into this journey, I started listening to some messages by Jaeson Ma . He had testimoniesof awesome healings in the middle of UCLA campus and various other encounters hes had with thedemonic/deliverance. From what I remember, he never really taught how exactly to do it it wasntvery practical so I found it difficult to follow in his footsteps.

Jaeson spoke at my youth groups Winter retreat that year (2007), and he ended up doing somedeliverance on my friend Tim. Long story short, I got to know Tim very well, and during that summer, wewoke up early in the morning (5-6am) and prayed/worshiped at a park by his house for hours everyweek.
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It was around that time we started reading about Smith Wigglesworth , John G. Lake , Aimee SempleMcpherson, Kathryn Kuhlman, other Gods Generals and also listening to Bethel Church s podcast.Often, Bill Johnson and Kris Vallotton would precede the message with awesome testimonies from thepast week, and it would always provoke us to pursue what Jesus died for.

Unfortunately, they never taught [practically] on healing the sick, though they had many testimonies of people getting healed.

For the next two years, it was even more ingrained in me to heal the sick, I knew it was THE key for therevival that everyone was talking about.

I still didnt feel equipped to actual step out and do it, so I remained stagnant, waiting for something todramatically shift.

It wasnt until September 2009 that I went to Simps on University in Redding to attend school. The schoolcampus was less than 2 miles away from Bethel Church, so I ended up spending more time there than Idid going to class.

Within the first few months, I was able to attend the FireStarters class with Kevin Dedmon (and histeam) and Bethels Healing Room training with Joaquin Evans and Chris Gore . It was very helpful andthere were a few core values that I took from them:

1.) Its impossible for you to pray and nothing happen

2.) When I pray, God comes; and when God comes, He does good things, because Hes a good God andHes in a good mood.

Those core values help me solidify my faith in His word and His faithfulness (though I dont really agree100% with those statements where I am now).

It was after this point I could say with confidence that God will heal you right now, because I knewthat God would show up if I prayed.

Around this time, I was finally able to mi nister to a woman over skype whose left eardrum wasntfunctioning. After praying about 10 minutes, her hearing was 50% restored, and after 50 minutes, herhearing was completely restored with the exception of a faint ringing in the ear.

That was THE first time I knew, was confident, and expected a miracle to happen, and it did.

The first time you witness the power of God you lose the right to question His willingness, His ability, and

His ability to use you.
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Soon after this, I started listening to Curry Blakes DHT series , and read a copy of the DHT manual . Those2 materials were what helped me the most in terms of understanding authority and the dominion thathas been given to man.

A few other things that Curry did was smash bad theology, gave me a renewed zeal to get into the word,

and made everything A LOT simpler. This will shoot some bad theology and set you free:

Every Saturday for 3 months, starting in January, I became a part of Bethels Healing room teamalongside Ryan (and sometimes his wife).

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Bethels healing room is comprised of 2 separate rooms. The actual healing room is where the prayerteam of 30-70 people minister to the sick.

The first room where people enter, called the Encounter room, provides a place for people who needhealing to pray/worship/soak while a worship team plays worship songs.

People are then called in by groups (A, B, C, D, E) that are given to them on a form they fill out earlierbefore they come in (basic contact information).

This was the room Ryan/Laura and I would typically stay in.

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Every Saturday from 9am 1pm, there would be anywhere between 150-500 people that would showup to receive healing depending on the week (more people during conferences), and we would see 20-50 people healed , and grow out almost everybodys legs every week.

We ministered to all kinds of people with all kinds of sickness in the span of 3 months.

Some of you may think that I had it great (in terms of training) but I am here to tell you that MOST of thethings I learned while ministering to people in the healing rooms, I had to ditch when I came home toSan Jose and started doing ministry on the streets . (I expressed some of my frustration on an older post )

During most of this past April and May, I have learned the most (concerning setting people free)from Todd White/Dan Mohler and reading the Elijah Challenge Manual .

Since then, healing has been a normal part of the day. We do it anywhere, everywhere, at the grocerystore, at the bank, at the gas station

This is meant to be a lifestyle, not in the confines of a building or event.

Up to this point, we have seen ~90% of the people weve ministered to, healed
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Of the ~10% of people who dont get healed, or see very little progress with, about 90% of them arebigger s tuff like amputees, cerebral palsy, MS, lupus, paraplegics (I dont know why, but I dont likeit, and its not o -k)

I no longer struggle with what if they dont get healed, because thats not what the Word says.

I dont have time, nor do I have a need to entertain thoughts that dont line up with the Word

Even though not everyone has been healed, I dont allow the past to dictate my future. But I allow it topush me further to set more people free.

I no longer have an issue with fear of man (in this co ntext) because I dont expect people to notget healed

Even if people dont get healed it doesnt matter, because usually theyre not expecting much anyway;many are just expecting a sympathetic token prayer.

I dont struggle as much with approaching people

Todd White and Dan Mohler helped the most with that. It all really just comes down to being yourself,be genuine, operate out of compassion, and YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE .

Some other times, Ive been at a complete loss for words and have no idea how to ap proach someone.Thankfully, I have people around me that are sometimes crazier than me.

In my opinion , getting to advanced levels of setting people free is really being a master of thebasics. Understand your authority , do unto others (Matthew 7:12 ), and be moved by compassion

(agape love in action).

Some extra pointers:

Healing the sick/casting out demons is NOT about what you say, it is about who says it

There are no magic words, it is about understanding who you are and understanding thenature of authority

Keep things simple, how did Jesus do it ?

Learn the art of MEDITATING. The only biblical way to renew your mind is through the Word,so just try to spend 5-10 minutes FILLING your mind with the Word. Try Matthew 10:1 ,Luke9:1 , Luke 10:19 . I really really really really really really mean this one.

Hope thi s helps again, let me know if you have questions, or if you want me to add something, Imhere to help you out.

The Journey The Motive Behind it All
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Published October 18, 2010


Here are some of the motives people have when doing signs and wonders (obviously notcomprehensive).

because they want to get over their own fears

because they want to see what theyre capable of

because they want to see the miraculous

because they want to be seen by others

because they want attention

because they want money

because they want to build up a ministry/name/reputation

because they want to prove someone else (or group) wrong

because they want to validate/prove their own beliefs

because they want to prove their identity

because they want approval from God

because they hate the devil

because they want to do what Jesus said

because they want to steward what they have been given

because they want to provoke others to good works

because they have compassion for the lost and broken

Reading through this list, I am sure you c an pick out the good and bad motives. But the point I wantto make is that there is a good, better, and best.

There is only one motive that Jesus repeatedly mentioned and demonstrated in the gospels, and thatis, compassion . He did do what His Father said, He did have a hate for the work of the devil, He didprovoke others to good works, but the only one he preached was compassion .
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Every one of those motives that I listed, Ive done at one point (good and bad), but I have since foundthat compassion must be the first and foremost motive while I am demonstrating this gospel.

About 8 months ago when I was first starting up, there was a point where I got bored even in the midstof seeing many, many miracles. Everything somehow started to become routine and the luster of seeing

the impossible happen began to wear out.

I started from pure excitement to see what else I could do with resurrection power (Rom 8:11 ), tofeeling completely satisfied because it felt like I was on top of the world, to feeling boredbecause I wasnt seeing the bigger breakthroughs.

I was pondering this to myself when Holy Spirit matter-of- factly said, Youre not walking in compassion,youre not serving, youre being selfish. This has been all about you you you .

Ouch.

I thought for a few minutes and realized what I had done. I was healing the sick for my own satisfactionrather than having compassion for people and serving them .

Healing the sick had become about me, rather than the person in front of me.

Which miracle I can see today? rather than How can I serve my brothers and sisters?

I can show you a miracle rather than I want you to experience the freedom that Christ has paid for.

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Why is this relevant?

Jesus placed a very high value on motive.

1.) Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them . Otherwise youhave no reward from your Father in heaven. (Matthew 6:1 )

Jesus never said charitable deeds were bad, but if youre doing it with the wrong motive, you have noreward from your Father in heaven.

2.) Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, If You are the Son of God, command that these stonesbecome bread If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down All these things I will give You if Youwill fall down and worship me. (Matthew 4:1-11 )

Jesus never denied his ability to do any of those things. The issue was not about the task, but whosevoice He was listening to .

3.) And though I have [ the gift of ] prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, andthough I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. And though I
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bestow all my goods to feed [ the poor ] , and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, itprofits me nothing. (1 Cor 13:2-3 )

You can read someones mail, you can have the greatest revelation, you can have mountain -moving faith, you can feed the poor, you can die a martyrs death, but if it isnt because of t he outworking of

love, youve missed it.

Let me explain

1.) If you are healing the sick for the purpose of getting a name or reputation, or building a ministry (tobe seen by other people), youve missed it .

2.) If you are healing the sick for the purpose of proving your identity, or to prove someone else wrong,or prove your theology right, youve missed it .

If someone challenges you by saying If you are who you say you are, prove it or If you can really dowhat you say you can do, prove it you are be ing tempted on the level that Jesus was tempted.

My friend Cornel said this recently:

The greatest temptation is not porn, alcohol, drugs, success or wealth. The greatest temptation you will

face is when you are asked to prove your identity by supernatural manifestations.

The devil tempted Jesus in the wilderness, and the Pharisees tempted him twice (Matt 12:38 ,Matt16:1 ). Both times, Jesus passed the test and didnt comply to their request.

3.) It is possible to do signs/wonders even other things we have been commanded to do withoutlove and compassion.

Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons inYour name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, I never knew you;depart from Me, you who practice lawle ssness! Matthew 7:22-23

You can do everything Jesus did, but not actually know Him. You can mimic His acts, but still miss Hisways. You can have all the supernatural signs and wonders, but not have supernatural Love.

By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another. John 13:35

Again, to reiterate , not every single motive is bad. Healing the sick because you hate the devil and his

work or because Jesus said to do it are both good motives. But let it first and foremost be because youhave compassion for people.

And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love . 1 Cor 13:13
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If youre walking in resurrection power, it is very easy to go back to your church to prove that healingis for today. It is easy to confront powerless preaching by demonstrating power.

It is easy to do miracles just because its exciting, but if compassion is not your first motive, people cantell when you are treating them like projects rather than a person.

It is easy to see miracles everyday, but its just as easy to get to a point where you do it mechanically,Ok, be healed. Awesome. Jesus loves you. Bye rather than flowing in compassion and actually caringabout the person.

If youre just starting out, its very easy to get caught up with seeing more miracles. Thats not bad initself, but dont stay there, learn to walk in compassion for people.

If youre around old friends or skeptics and you want to show them real power, its tempting to getcaught up in trying to prove that what you have is real, rather than walking in compassion.

If youre praying for someone that seemingly isnt getting better, its easy to get angry at the devil andhave that become the driving force instead of having compassion.

If you didnt think outreach wasnt good/successful solely because you didnt see anyone get healed,something is off.

If you feel like you cant minister to a person just because that person doesnt have a sickness orailment, then youve missed the point . The point is to demonstrate Jesus and have compassion for theperson you are in front of.

If the only reason why youre doing the Great Commission is because Jesus told us to do it, rather than

it being an overflow of the Greatest Commandment, youve mis sed it.

The point is NOT to build a healing ministry, the point is to have a life that looks like Jesus ; to walk as hewalked (1 John 2:3-6 ) and re-present Him (1 John 4:17 ). In the context of the whole book of 1 John, it isoverwhelmingly clear that love is the command.

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Wisdom from God (Eph 3:10 ), some people need some cash to buy food, and some people just need alistening ear.

Let me reiterate , most of these motives I have listed are not bad (or evil), and I have done them myself at one point, Im just saying there is one motive that we are told to operate in.

By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another. John 13:35

My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth . 1 John 3:18

On a different point, we, at the house, have decided to take an indefinite amount of time off from theinternet to answer some questions that we have. We understand that many people have been impactedby what we are doing, but we have failed when we have created a following that looks to us rather thanthe Teacher Himself.

Self-educate . Take responsibility for the world around you. Get answers for yourself. If you havesomething to say, say it. It is not pride to shout something you know is true and/or if you know that itwill set people free.

When Paul said, Imitate me, for I imitate Christ, I think he was saying, Do what I am doing, Iam following Jesus; you should follow Jesus. He was NOT saying, Copy me, because I copiedJesus. He was saying, Copy me, in the sense that all I am doing is learning to be like Jesus .

If you make a copy of a copy of a copy, eventually you will look quite different than the Master.

In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in

these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whomhe made the universe. The Son is the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of his being. Hebrews 1:1-3

Jesus is perfect theology Anything you think you know about about God, that you cant find in the person of Jesus, you have reason to question. Bill Johnson

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If you guys really need to connect with us, email will work.

So until next time, peace to you, grace to you.

-brandon.

The Journey In One Year
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Published March 28, 2011


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In the Beginning (Jan March 2010)

There were just 3. I had moved in with Ryan/Laura in their apartment in Redding for 2 months.

We listened to the DHT and realized how much bad theology we had. With our newly-realized authority,we learned how easy it was to walk in boldness , we learned how to talk and act like sons , we learned thereality of persecution , we learned how to respond to pharisees , we realized that 9 out of 10 people had1 leg shorter than the other and we started to do i teverywhere , we learned the utmost importance of sowing good seeds becaus e plants will reproduce after its own kind

Every week at Bethels Healing rooms we saw hundreds healed, and werealized how how important it was to actually train people to walk and stay in freedom instead of creating a supernatural drive-through with temporary satisfaction. We saw hundreds healed, and wewatched people without their own momentum swing back and forth with symptoms of sickness. Welearned the importance of teaching people how to fight in addition to fighting for them. We learned howto dismantle all kinds o f bad tradition , we learned how to persevere to see the results we were lookingfor, and we learned to place a value on results rather than nitpicking on particular methods.

A New City, A New Vision (March 2010)

When we rebooted in San Jose, the team grew to 7 -8. Among us, some had given up jobs, education,and some even moved away from home to kindle what we started.

At that time, we were all about bringing the power. Power is the missing link Power is what will bringthe revival everyone is longing for!!! we thought. Were gonna take over the whole city!

Within the first few weeks, we realized how sheltered we had been. We realized how muchchristianese we spoke, we realized we really had no idea how to relate to the outside world. Welearned how to actually be relatable to people we were ministering to, how to talk about the Kingdomwithout any over -spiritualized terms.
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We learned how to be more diligent in follow-up. We learned how to live and give generously , welearned how to live out of our spirit instead of feelings and emotions .

Our influence grew as we started to minister at events, outreaches, teaching people how to bringfreedom and the Kingdom as a lifestyle rather than an event. We were downtown at the clubs friday

nights, we regularly visited Walmart , local malls, Santa Rosa , and we got to go t oRhodeIsland and Denver .

Growth of Influence (April Sept 2010)

During the first 4-5 months, we tried to incorporate ourselves into several local churches, but most of them werent doing anything close to what we had in mind. Most of them were concerned with theirown congregation, church growth, and rarely did we encounter a church that was actively ministering tothe lost and one that valued results over our qualifications/training/methods.

Meanwhile, our group had grown, so we didnt know anything else but to start a house church. I use

quotes because its such a loose definition. So for 3-4 months, we had a weekly house church meetingthat we also streamed online .

We eventually created the same church structure that we were trying to get away from. We created thesame pastor, man of God, sermon -based structure as in most Sunday morning churches.

Change of Direction (Sept Dec 2010)

So after doing house church, we restrategized and started having churchat a local mall. We realized we werent actually making significant impact on the city our lights werecovered by our house as we were fellowshipping together so we wanted to have our gathering in themidst of people who actually needed hope.

It was at about this time we realized how ineffective street evangelism was (in the context of discipleship). We had done street outreach stuff for the previous 7-8 months and we had yet to seeeven 1 person get discipled as a direct result of street outreach . When we realized this, we had to

reassess the effectiveness of what we were doing. Its the definition of insanity to expect different resultsif youre doing the same thing right?

So we did the mall church for about 3 months. We were hoping to establish a reputation among theregulars at the mall by meeting up three times a week at the foodcourt of the mall. We led families tosalvation, ministered healing and hope to anyone nearby, we gained a reputation among the janitorladies for prayer and healing, and even gained favor among the security team which allowed us topromote what we were doing to all the businesses in the mall but we didnt see any lasting fruit.
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We saw the same miracles, lots of encounters, but no one stuck around to get involved. Even thefamilies that enthusiastically expressed they would come every week, never showed up.

On the bright side, we ended up creating a culture where people would actually got to know each other.Because we were in a mall setting, we had removed the sermon/worship part of our meetings, so

everyone had an opportunity to invest in one another, care about, serve, and bear one anothersburdens.

Lessons Learned (Dec 2010 March 2011)

From there, we decided to combine our previous attempts in establishing a community. We liked thefellowship that resulted from the mall church, and we liked the home environment. So, we started ourhouse meetings again but made the central focus about loving one another by serving each other.

Turns out, the Kingdom is really about helping people get healthy in their relationship with God andtheir relationships with people (hey, sounds like the great commandment ). Its developing relationships

with each other, loving one another by actually caring about each other.

Turns out, you really only influence people when you demonstrate that you care about them instead of having an agenda to change them. Turns out, taking over the city really starts with you loving yourneighbor as yourself not in words, but in action (1 John 3:18 ), and then teaching them to do the same tothose around them (Matt 28:20 ).

Relationship is the foundation of discipleship and this is precisely the reason why most churches dontcreate many disciples. They have relegated discipleship into a program instead of a relationship , theirsystems arent conducive to relationships, they are primarily channels of information -exchange ratherthan relationship-exchange.

Coincidentally, the more relationships that happen, the more people are trained to actually love eachother, or rather trained to express love to each other. Love cannot be expressed outside the context of relationship.

State of the Ministry (Now TBD)

So as of now, this is how we do church. Sunday mornings and Tuesday evenings , we meet because weare interested and care about each other, not because theres going to be good worship or a goodsermon or because we have a good pastor.

Worship is good because it has become a lifestyle, not because weve gathered to sing songs. Thesermon is good because its been tailored personally as we speak with one another and help each
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other with what were struggling with or growing in. There is no more solitary good pastor becauseweve all learned to be pastored, and now pastor one another.

With these core values in place, we have created an environment for everyone to grow as leaders, foreveryone to grow in relationship, and fo r everyone to provoke one another to good works. I think weve

discovered what being knit together can look like (Col 2).

Outreach is more of a lifestyle rather than an event . Relationship has taken priority over short-livedinfluence. Longevity over the wow factor.

We have by no means figured everything out, but we have learned a lot through trial and error. Thereare a few more tweaks we are looking to make in the future, being able to reassess and changedirections has been one of the most vital factors in our growth.

Heres a bonus on discipleship :

So if you would like to get discipled via skype/phone with Ryan , you can send him an email [email protected]. I will be making myself available to do this as well after I return fromAfrica. Dennis , Sue , a few others and I will be in South Africa for 6 weeks (April 5th May 19th). You canread more about the trip here .

Heres an extra bonus on discipleship :

In John 9 , Jesus heals a man who was blind from birth. The pharisees were mad and questioned this manand his parents about who healed him and how he did it:

25 He answered and said, Whether He is a sinner or not I do not know. One thing I know: that though Iwas blind, now I see. 26 Then they said to him again, What did He do to you? How did He open your eyes? 27 He answered them, I told you already, and you did not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do

you also want to become His disciples ? John 9:25-27

A disciple is not synonymous to a believer. It is absolutely free to become a believer, but it will costeverything to be a disciple. Th e implication of a disciple is that they want to learn. When someoneinquires, How did you heal me? How did you know that? How do you know these things? Where didyou learn how to do that? Why are you doing this for free?, it means that they want to le arn, and that

is an open invitation for you to disciple that person.

One of the reasons why we are seeing lots of success in discipleship is because we are givin gpracticalanswers to peoples problems . We are giving hope to the hopeless , and that is why people want tolearn. People want answ ers, so they come. When you have answers to the worlds problems, the worldwill come knocking on your door.
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