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I Many thanks for your letter of 17 January which I readwIth much interest, although having scratched through my papers I cannotI IIreally be of much help. As I expect you have discovered yourself or fromMuriel, th~ Parsons and Whitlocks have intermarried for generationsa since

Ithe XV1th century so I guess we share a number of varied genes good or

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Shr(ie)ea~esJ6od Cottages, Clarendon Estate woodmen's or keepers cottageswe knew before the War as Four Cottages, and their location complete with a

long-gone /deep well and actually in the almost disappeared copse but by afield on the edge of Whiteway, has been confused for centuries. 'Sheriff'sI,Wood' and actually on the edge of Pitton parish belonged to the Sheriff of

Wiltshire inl~he XIVth century and he lived at Winterbourne Earls (he was

an Earl). Itl~as sometimes considered in that parish but it was really inthe Liberty of Clarendon Park. This is why (I think mistakenly), your James

, IIand Keziah were able to have their banns called in the Cathedral. Any

inhabitants bf the actual Park had, and still have, the privilege of being

married ih the Cathedral if so desired, but I reckon they actually lived inthe Liber~\'o~ 18 foot strip outside but really in Pitton parish and that isII I Iwhy they ,hey were much later enumerated in Pitton.I cannot fiod Charles in the 1841 Census but I can find James and Keziah

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al though ItheIlatter is wrongly shewn as born in Wiltshire and none of thechildren Iborn in Clarendon, but in the 1851 Census the situation is as you

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record. Since their eldest child noted, Anna, was 22 in 1841 I presume, I'Charles was born earlier and since there is no mention of anyone who mightI '

fit in the Census he must have left as you suggest for Southampton or someI

other place,before 1841 probably as an apprentice. I dont think weI I

appreciate how mobile our forebears were. Your dates seem to suggest pretty, I'firmly that Charles senr and James senr were brothers and although we cantI

prove they were, they both lived in Clarendon and in the early years of theI

X1Xth centuvy it is unlikely that they were from separate families. I thinkI "

that there were probably no more than two families in Clarendon and givenI II

the large ones of those days this explains why so many married out of that

Parish. ~he'lsituation is not helped by the fact that the great countryIhouses emnployed many people - perhaps as many as fifty or a hundred from

Villages! i9; the district as domestics, gardeners or to do with horses andall would appear on documents as domiciled there.Sadly I do not know of anysurvivirlg estate records: the WRO indexes do not shew any of the Bathurst

(1700-1920)lor of the Christie-Millers (1922 to date). Like so many otherfamily Historians we are often stumped because people were so casual orI 'Iforgetful in recording anything in the distant past.

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But I have1found inspired guessing quite helpful and in the end right soItake courage! I am sorry to be unhelpful but please ask if there is any

other i~formation you want.I

(L.M.Parsons)

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Thanks for your letter and the chart you sent me - IfOllnd the latter vewry interesting and certainly much more organised andI

professional!/ than any of my ramblings to correspondents!The situatidn with Pitton and Farley and Alderbury until 1870 :- sinceSaxon times Alderbury was the official ecclesiastical parish including the

Chapelries of Pitton which had an equally ancient church and Farley whichhad literally a minute but long-gone chapel just as old. The Vicar of

Alderbury therefore was obliged to keep the newly introduced officialRegister fo~ all three from 1538 including Clarendon extra-parochial, andalso with Whaddon and West Grimstead from 1597 when the Bishops Transcripts

were also i~troduced. Pitton and Farley had combined Registers from 1661and separat~ly from 1813. The Alderbury Vellun contains entries (hit andmiss and of~en the latter) for all of the parish and the chapelries fromI .1606 and any earlier documents have not been preserved so far as I know.

There was nb rule to say where anyone should be baptised - James Senr was

taken to Milford, not a mile away through the park from Shrieveswood - but

why Charle~1 and James were baptised at Winterslow, about the sam~ distanceIs not to b~ known - perhaps as you say they had relations there or theirIparents ma~ have lived there temporarily - they had five years to do so(1819-1824~) and short absences were quite common practice.

L have had/a scratch through my papers and found the following which mayIlnterest you.

The Jerredd were an old Pitton family going back to the XVllth century and

Thomas (1816~) with his wife Amelia (nee Whitlock) whose wedding I canttrace witn~ssed brother William Jerred's marriage to Harriet Baugh 7 Feb1837, whilst William and Harriet (then Baugh) witnessed another marriage in1834 and William with John Whitlock, Maria Jerred's wedding in the same,

year. I think that Thomas and Amelia married in 1833 and according to the

Census shel must have died in 1839. But I cant find the John Whitlock who Ireckon wa~1 her brother although the Census denies this! Nor can I discoverfrom the Census that James was Thomas' brother-in-law although, like you, Ifind him i~ i851 still at Pitton and married to a Pitton girl Emma Whitlock(b.1826) dr of another John and Elizabeth Whitlock, a same name marriage of1826, lik~ Stephen who married a Mary Ann! I'm sorry I cant be more'Ihelpful but I will look out for the family which, like my own, is mightycomplicat~d.

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FJ Whitlock17 Sutherland Raod

Southampton. S016 8GA.

Thanks for your letter and note of WKW who must be a very

distant relation somewhere along the line!I have to tell you that when I began writing about the parish and

publishing so many years ago I was not into genealogy but my books did

contain a lot of what must have been interesting stuff for I have foundsuch a worldwide readership that I have been asked ever since to look intoold families. Some of these have been through oversea Family Hist Sacs,

some through the Latter Day Saints and most through the Wilts Record Officebook lists studied by such oversea visitors as William Kyle W.! In fact Ihave found a large number of new relations particularly in Canada and

Australia. It is an expensive hobby but I enjoy it all very much!The fisrt mention of Whitlock Whytelok or Whitelock was John in the NewSarum Aulnage (Wool)Tax List in 1397 but like the Parsonses the family musthave moved out when the wool business failed for there is no mention of the

name in the next Tax List for 1332 nor the Tradesmens Lists of 1667. By thetime of the 1516 Taxation Subsidy Thomas Whyt10ck I appears in the list inthe parish of Pitton and Farley and in the next one 1545 Edythe Whitlock isnamed. Thses are the earliest Whit10cks in the parish that I have found

after 1400 and all those subsequently sprang from Thomas I, so WKW's Thomasmay have come from the Thomas above. The Protestation Return of 1641 is

signed by William and John, the earliest wills I have found are of John in1712 and William in 1732 and the earliest leases in the Ilchester Records

are for Ann b.1659 and John b.1695.But the latter may not be the oldest forthere are many leases either missing or undiscovered in other records suchas the Zouches or Evelyns from 1480 to 1600 or so.The Whitlpoks had a branch in the Dun Valley from about 1500 the earliest I

have found is Stephen Whitlock of East Dean who must have married about1584 and whose daughter married William Fox, Sir Stephen's mother. None arementioned in 1586 or the Hearth Tax of 1665.

Turning 'to your excellent drafts Robert Wand Susanna Tisdale had a

daughter Susannah W. who in 1720 leased a croft called Tisdalls for 7s.0d a

year - Robert must have been related (son?) to the Edith above. Sarah

Parsons b.4 April 1765 was daughter of John Parsons and Sarah perryer ofFarley direct ancestors of me: Elizabeth W was the teacher at Pitton andshe died 17th Jan 1881 and her husband d. 25 July 1876. James b.1823. alabourer, was fined for misuse of a horse and cart in 1853 and married

Em~a? Mary Ann d.23 March 1899 and Stephen d. 4 Dec 1892.

(L.M.Parsons)

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