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TM OhalritM u..im-ed ~ U.S.. Del.egatoa thltt t')e Lou'lon Stgl."lt Board woul.datilltU.,a ao Jts utzw&1. to 0"1"l'3' oat tho lett:u- and ap"ti~ ~ tba .Jere~. I"' rLihllia ahaulf !n:uinrl:antJ,r ~ he bcped tl'>at m'AIVIB would acl, heo1ta~OJ to po1nt tbe:!I out tme\U&te.l;J to th& T .o ndon Sigi nt :&.>ti.rd ei. t.e oou'\ l u <1 UI'C' tte U, s. d<ot lef)!. tlo~ wt th!iy W? ,, t'I bo umnt'lmeci and th... eirl ier ~ • ere poit:tell out t.a.e be!i.ei..

4. Be so.l cl tha' ~ :;oht;) £0Vel"'1na tM oooperc1.tic..n o! t1e tr oo\lr\trlea 1n tho fi.e' l ~ C<rmt>.1loa.t1on InV-llice~ hs.d i..e~n settled by the ~'"-" ani! '•l • t tr• pi ~oer.t Co'>fe.c'l:lnoe ~ thcrt.!!' .ire cr.tl.rol, 1.4uhru.cal 1n l. t.e ob .. •• r J

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11 Ee ne.Lt 11XJnt1o:i.:d the Seo•.!rl. t;y question and stated that STArom was fcll.y 8'l'"8.re of 1 ta ovettid1J18 l.lllJOrtance. • .f

12. ~'t.1! 11'~~.i: r.' • .:!ua thz_, Gc?-... rel c~. u t'"~ ~...l. r:<f the U.S. DcJ.ega~ic::. hcf• :- :.J.y G.ll'<'U&:i:;rl tho po.t..n~ <)!" V'"l'"f Ct! the U.S. lla:v W1o f't:lt tha'.: ~ i;:....., r;~".&oi'l1non with ti.e llr!t.1.si; ~~en ~Cll'ul &ild 'b~"ioi~ ~:: ;.ioth t>llrtt'}l!.

1). 'l'h~ Cha"L!"lll.Ul su1'Ported Ger:c:al Corde='• renark51 sb.,.,~oiog on again the impor'&liie of oarrn.ni.oat1c11S, and suggeated that "' ~a G-=i~Al Oordorma.n ahoul.4 di.souse ontaln Securit;r points aeparateJ..y at a later da-r;eb

14-. Th3 OhD.irl'ia.n t~n in-n.ted Gooori.J. Coraer.<AA to be the Chaixmc.a ;f the Ooofeni!lQl!l, Gm1eral Cordon:ian .s.;1d i.,, l!lUCh appreoiated tr~ honol.lI' l.fforaed to hUD aM. the u. s. De~g.;:i;ic.n by the 11uggestl.on. mr. ha felt tb&.t a. Bri tieh Chair:nan would oo more ir11 tab" e, as he would be mvre 1'$11 'ti..1r w:i. th 'l'lhatevel· pi ucc..dure miuld be adopwc1 for the" Con!'erenoe. He //'Ot..J d UlerefoM prefer to de~Hne the offor. The C'hai.J'T:l:!Ul therefore sugg'l:it"!J that C'aptal P lia=hllda ahould taM the Chair a.od t.tlll \l'8.ll seconded by ~nora1 Cord<Jm:m

15. ~ Travi:i a•.iggested thaL the next inee~~ should tNr;e plc.oe at 101.5 on Tuesdey1 12th l!aroh, I.lid thu WIUI e,greed.

16. Th_, 0~1 in OQllClUBiOn. 11e.1.d that he ~ CIQnflndent that & grea-' dea.1 w1.li.c;-aa-o0irij?fuh.ed 1.D. tM norl fortnight a.nd that the oo"lf'erc!l.Oe would

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7~ Cll th¢ aasat.:9tion tl1at exehan~a to be considered. by tha St•b-Oonru ttc" mr" te;chnice.l onl.71 Captain Sllledbcr• asked to '!» reka3ed fr'Q!:l ~.:uanent ~erehip.. Jil,e uawaption '1138 cc:rfirmd and his ~Ci.lCl'lt c.ere~. Captaip Coo<bliI- u.'!Oertook to ensure 1.he.t • he be called in 11mn llOQ0&>6at'J'o ~ ~

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.J . 4•. ~·Captain Weter asked m?ether the Camnitte~ _should eet a ~t data. ) . f'or tlhe .eDd Of coiit'erenco. - . . .

: r '. :;3·,~}ii'ter ~-ane a1.a~a1on~, l t \TBS' agl'eed 'to dtScWis th1~ matter :further ' ... ·, on Pr',483, but meamihUe to consider :that rougbly two we~ke wcULd be taken.

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6. . · It 'liaD &¢:!'.ed thot tt.nal .reports ftom the eub-ooiMi1 ttees should· be. in the form of reoooii'endat1ons to the Executive ecmntttoe whiah shculd be eo _dratted 118 to be oaa111 tronat'oxmed into. e.ppentltocru to th~ bas1o Agl'.:!ell!l3nt.

7. · Sir Ell.rrarit Travis pointed out that not ell tho rcaUl ta of the . Maousdons woiiid ncicioesar1ly be su1 table tor irDlU!llon in the baslo

Agreement aa Appendicet:i and that1 ln aey case, he would 11.ke to ban a · roport dr4wn up tor tho c ons1.derat1on of' the! Londoll Siglnt Board epart fl'all ao,y Jppe_mioea that lfttro written.

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. . Sir ~ ~!!!. :wt th ~erenoe to pllr.l.~ 7. aalred that the · i1 i:hrue "and S-l'-4.l'lC~CWietcd, ~has btt aid not 1n~lldel STA!rolB ~f{I

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3. The Ch:drmo.n ~n object~d t" tbtJ slwrt 1ti~e..1-.cl ht'.'i'¢J}l'! t!r.' reo"1pt at SuC--Co!i::zlittee mir.;utes &nd ~ Jll)rl toUOll:l.n8 ;:s3tpi.g ot th£­EJtt;o..:Uw Com:a. tb!ll. ~ ir.~erre'i. c.n this pa.rl1C\ll.a:.:' aq, t':i:r.m noon to 1300, wu &ltogethor too br.'.cd lll'l'l bad p1·evolltod t. proper reading a.r.i\ mider•t~ 'by the mi.!'..1-'>cn: t4 t.'r? :&:.:.~outive Crumit~.

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. ' . DOt at w·a point tdW to ~e twked ~or opiv.10Jl8 b:alJ$d '.Uj>O?I. the!:!. . . .• G<!iWrsl Cor&nNm et.r~a116d tile.t the l!!;i;eout1ve C~tteo Shoul.d not bo ro~rod to~ ~--~ thai ·;;_,""~ at tb:\s st~', and thAt it was ~he 0.11.ty or the Sub-oeon:ai UC$:> to ,r.ick,!) cl oar 11ta.tei::10nta as to 1ihothez- they

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wa:i:o f"ounii suit:ible or wei~ not so found} ocl.1 tbo:>~ uhioh·werc cont1·3:.. VG1'8illl llhould bo brougl4~ b!D1'ore tho Executive COllllli"® for '1"1>difiea-Uon, and tho modit1c4t1ons ahocld be embodied ii:: tho Sub--C'cxmitteeG' fin!i.l ro~n&t.!.ons •

~CMim<lll then dircot"d the 5ocrotcnoc: to itlctrue:O th' Sub~ COilallittoo• t elaborate oros3-reforone:n1 1n 1-tor1m 1'8,J>Orts to the· U,S,d-r:aN Jilpendieea woWA_.~ lCaBOl:' b~ aeoepteble to the Exi;eutiTe c~tteoo In

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. ' Sir ECl:nu"d &1110 concurrod, cd etated tba.t it WllS tho duty of tho Executive Ccrnl.ttee to holp the SU'IJCO!i:raitt~11 .all along the l13.>,

It ~ t1uall;t: .a.~ed-tha.t tho ·.~ •. s.dratt >.ppenM.ces <m:1~.-'l;o .be :regc 8.ll A b&Q.11 tor dillOWSdOll ;ihc S~ ttooa, and tha.t t!ley JlOed net be consl&rr.lby tho Executho Cc:mQttee until- ouch t:lJr;o ao ·'they ap~ 1n tho tom of f1D'Al SubCc=ittee 1'000!llDICndation&,

8. . Foll~ng thiii, the Chairman read the i:dnutes cr Sub--Co:aui:tt')<J D, ll'biah "WOre approved without d1S<JU11Slon, · _

9o '5$ th.on began to read tho :mi~toe ct Sub-CO!llilittee E. . Sir E<ht:i.rd a.wd thAt para. 3, paa;e 21 11'hich mlgflt be ·JDisuniterstcYA by

. tho Adm1.r&l ty, be deleted. ' !hi.11 'tf0.8 ~od. Geoaral Cordemo.n 0'1:11ervod. that the t1gur1111 in pua. 6fliT9ere prcbl.Y too hig!i, and it was a~~ ~ cut the tota1 a.o.n ~ 100;6oo. . _; · ·. · .

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. '. ,,·. tho.1; adequate COilllllUii1oation11 V$X"e bulo to tho tuture esr STAroIB - GCCS •• ! i ~> '.' {.: rolationnhips;. a.no., as . suoh, shOuUl bo. 'epeo1t"ic8ll7 W1 tten into·~ tlMl.

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12., Captain l'fenger then descriil<!d. the difficulties that migbt arise in e.xtendir.g to the U.K. kn0'.1ledge of, orthe right to ·uso, techni~1;1e~ developed µnder patent in ~e U.S.· ·~ ·:: . -- ·

13. • sii- Edl'lfil"d Travifl tull,y appreCia.t~ these ai.!'ticulties but so.id that, in his vie-n, they ero-se only Wi&!r ;1.tem (c) of pera 11 abo•re

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15. Sir Ed~iard Travi:;. suggested that, to meet such diff'icul ties, an arrsngernent lllight be ma<W by which British non technical. experts wore uu;.de S.'l'Rl.l'C of the purpose and met.hod of operation of a teollniqt<~

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. t .. .. 2.. i'li th ~1'erence tp p~·aii ~ end 10 oi.' th:!' Minutes of. the 1'h1rd " . L, (· ,,.. ·. Mcct:l.n£t. Sir Edr.::ird. Tr11vi8 rcporte.d that ~ had c-onsidered this mtter

. ... ,,,~ . . :;eincc the la.:;t Meettnsnnr 1iaS in full ~esrmit nth Generol Cprderun'e C ·· ., -• 11uer.c11tion thnt "ur.ex.:m&.nirAbl:" o()llater&l material ahould not be

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cwn c:uatoirer3 to "1.i.re:i.-chi..ng:i:ible" collateral, this.should be do~ in .' paperis sepAr11t: 'from tr.e GU!lmlriea llild given a more restriated cir:ula.Uon. .· . . . .. . . . . . . ; . ... . . .

~ .. . -'• .. The Sccretnrie_, vie~ 1n8tructed to notify th:: Chairman of · .

• . 5ub•..:o;nr;T1ttee C that tho reCOlllDCndations of his Sub-eomni~ee &ihould be mixhN.e<l in e.ccorcbnoe .witb para 2 e.bm.'- .. · .. ~ . . . . . ~· · ....

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4.. Subje~t to on·e lllinor change, the definition W&.S'<'PPz'tmd a.a table;d, ·It. ia given in it& finc.l f'cr::i aa Appen:Ux l to these J.f:i.nutei>.

5. Captain Srncdbe:a considered tbot it was ~t that thi:I detinition should go dawn on reccrd. !hUl "" agreed and it .,,. let't to later decision 111hether it :should appMr in a lbt or other d.et1ni tioJlll or in the repolllloendationa of' Sub-eoiini ttee c. . · : · · .. • · . · . ,

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, '" ··'~:\; ilPr~rr~· to ·'p&ral.2 (d)·;·~c~tai~' Wenge~ queiiti~~d whetr.er thfo. aolution Wtruld be adequate, as it did not establish.ltd.ch authority would be 'ul timiltely responsible for the standardisation of trar..31.'lticns in the event of differences of opinion between 'London and Wa.shir.gton. He euge;ested tho.t this ooultl be achieved without ltaking llJ\Y ol'lt:! ~ntre the final arbiter in all )'ield3. · ()le Centre could be established as the

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' .Ao Genersl Cordel1ll!ID a.croed _that it would b~ advisable ,.to clarify the question of ultimate authority in cD.ses of deo.dlo::k but considered

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(a) l'he frequent ref'erenoes t'o P8:!'!!. 2 and .It oe the Bas~ ,AAreement : · ·. ft W'88 decided that such ref'erencea were unnecessary 1n Sub.oonwittee reCOllllllendations, as this point would be covered by a general statement prefacing the ti!Ull. reoaumendationa ot the Com'erenoes 1 to the etteot that notllirlg 1n · tho drstt Appfludioes to the Basia Agreement ahall·~ oonstrued as oontrawnillg miy ol.a.uee11 ~ · i:ha.t .Agreement.

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Whether ~ilation ·or the J&mtbl;r Statue Repo?.-ts · ehould be according to the status of the tasks · · 11.e. aolved, pa.r:tly solved. and §er research) or aocord.i.ns to slphabet;l.cal list by eystem. _ _ ft was ~ that in the first instance the_ OOOlJ?ilat:i.on of these reports should be .'as. reoCllllllellded by Sub- . _. .. Colllnittee l!, except that a notation syst~ Bhould be -introdl.lCed to 10:Uoate' at a g1.enoe the etatwl of ee.ob.. task •

.. 25. Discussion of the rema1Ilder or the paper 'lnU!. polltpOned till 1015 on Thursaa.y, 21st March. · ·

26. Sir Edward Travis said he. Would like to revert to this 13Ubject and made1ffie suggestion that, as it had been agreed that =xche.ngeable oollatera1 material must be emitted from ~nts exohanged, the

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might be valuable to the other Centre as an indication thnt collateral of value existed. The receiving Centre could interpret this COlll!OOnt as a hint to probe no f'urther into the sources.

2.1. This suggestion was agreed •

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Rticorrmendation of Sub Contnittee C on Item 1 of its {$enda

6. This was e.1';1roved, 11uQjeot to minor changes in drafting, arJi the seoretarl.es wore instructed to prepare the final vera1on in oolla-boration ·with Bub 0011111it~e c. · ..

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. . . _ 7. ·The Secretaries nrc 1Mtructed to lnclu.de the aubstan.ce of para oae of the Sub Oomu1 tteie• a paper 1n tho genoral J>e.per which would preface the final Appendices dre.wn up by the Conf'erenoc •

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· "ill CentrQs will be eqUipped to handle iil!arofi.:lin, that; it may bo available waan it. is not practio~bl9 send tl~e crizim.1 i!'.:l.~::-ial, n ·

4.. .. . ··. ·.A revised. wordir.g oi' the Re.:CllllllC:irl2.1;iong. (c.) ar::d (b) of thizi ''. · Sub·.Cc;r.j:t;l:ce =.:: a1:;:o. tal?led Ar::d appra7ef,. ·~·~ !l.'hi:o; relies p.s follo;;s;

.. .. "That, except for eei"tain D/F re~:!Zei:ents, ~on:;ivn .be. ll19.de for excl'~siVO tone-tyPa telecCllJJlU."lications bet'Reen Centres a11d between centres a..-id. ttie:i.r outlying iiltero:!:;rt · · ste.tions. This is considered neces~ in order to 1aa·~

· :f~&sibl~ the rapid fJ.c"J of m?l nc..terial frall the point; of interception to the BE:vc.:ral., centres e.nd. i.11 orc!~r to e.llo\f efficient control of cover with oonl!4~t reduction in \'1'8.St~ful d'-"plic~ticnj as weli as fC1: rapid e7." .. :;_!l.i1~ of raw material a.nd inf'ozr.-.s.ti.cn beti?een. c~ntrea."

5. Captain Wenger said tmt he would like to repot"t on h:i.3 . meeting with D. S,D,, Adr.Ura.1ty1 w.!".ile Sub-C=iittee •.:;• were. p.!"esent. With l"!>ference to the proposal thl:.t Admiralty ehocld ta.:CO over the existing U. S.N, Lonc2cmdercy station, sa»e ci'.annels of 'llb:icll are de~ired ~or Commi_mic:a.tiori Intelligence pui-po:?.es, D.S.D. pad .said that he can d.o nothing until nc receives official support froo thi~ Conference. ·

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Sir Ed~1:u-d. ~ra•·is ~id tnis point w~ld ~·cove~ if epe'oi,al attentio::i 'IWr~ i:wi ';.c.:l., in tl~ coveri::ig remr;u; of. tnc tinal. recomoond.<ttions of' tm Coni"erenc;!I, to the importance ~ Conmmics.tions fa::' c:;.UHT pu.r1"cs~n. .!::: >.:c•ild 8ec :tmt ·these re:n:u".:s were brouz,1t before t;1") Lor:ci.on S1GiJ'T Bof<.s-5..

At this point Sub-Allunittee .. 'E' left the iieeti.~ •· • •; - I• •

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' Mr. Huddleson queried his definition of' cciuNT i~s given in para. 2, on tbe grounds that it took no aceount ¢ Traffic Jntslligence, A revised definition was therefo..-e considered and will be. incl=ed in the tinal reoonrcendation. :.:. :..,. .

12. The Chairtaan reported tba.t the term strr.i.rnr WD.s considered unsa tis'i'actciry-sy-tr..<:! Sub-COIIJlli ttee concerned, as it wculd be easily coilfu~ with other axpresmon::i in cOlmIIOn use, such as CCXUiT, 3IG-!Ill', It 'Ml.:s till!ref.'ore decided to adopt the tcnn OOlill'l'SUU instead.

13, With the above exce2tion, the Minutes of the fifth Meeting ware ap:;iroved,

Pkl.A. 12 OF T:B W.00.~NDATIO!.S OP SUB-col.!i.IT'l"l'EE !>' •.

14. .After considerable discussion, Colonel Heokerrgar -iraa requested to redraft the suggested addition to para. 12 whl.cil been tabled.

At the em of the meeting Colonel Heckemeyer read out a draft w:nich wa:i approved and 11111 be icco:po~ted in the reocrimendatione of Sub-Committee •D')

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15. General Co4'tler.tn9.n, wi ti:i rereren~e to para. 3 of tile pa.per, CO!lsid~red til.."lt t.~ rec.,.umcr.dation ;;as ina~que.te e.nd that st1n.Jsr<li-sation ~.:ild be effected a$ soon a3 po::sible, It was t:i:o~fore ~ tr'2 followin~ l!hould be substituted;

•To tt~t e~, the London Centre -.tl.ll p~pire a prOt>osed t=nslation style e.trl bJ'out. w!rlc.'1. will be int°i-oduced, with wch modifications as a.re necessary,

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4~xf'i~~;fc~~~~!~~~§~~~ft!tii~f~tiiJi : ;-::··"' . .,· . - ·. "'..' ;;•,/the confererioo was being entirely suooess.t'u.1 :in 'establia.IUng .methods -.~: .~f.•. • . ;:,-

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..... · .. :~;:~, ~~~7f0:\~:~:};~C-:< ·' ·~·-·· .. · · ·•. '.>; ;IiS»~~~\~~$4~&\~j·>.Vf··,~~ 20. · : .-.: .Cenei'al Co.."'dei'm!ln agreed the.t the arrarigei=nts being made were .

· adding to the-bUrdens or each par~ and said be was disturbed ·b;,r this. On the other hand,. he did not feel that a division ot:taciui oould be attempted until communications were 8.d.equnte to ensure that each · Centre receiv'cd results as quickly from tasks dooe at other Centres as it a:1d from its own production co;rmitnents.

21. Sir E6.ward. Travis asreeC. to thi:s but eaid that ti:lis point was ·ilow1'..ere clear],y stated in the fape.r- under discusci.on or in the recoim:endations or. Cryptar.s.l.jrsia. These 1.a·~ter be.d a.lsc a3mm:ed that the division of tas:w was impractics.blc# wit.~.i.t stating t..'-:e reason for the assumption.

22. Ger.-eral Cordernan repeatea. his vie'li that ne..en c=i.nic9.tions were provided., all possible division of tasi:::s, both in int':!roe?tion a?;.d cryptanalysis, should be effocted.

23. The Chairmen t:1en ruggested that prelii::linary s.grce.=:.t ·on the di irision of tas:<S should be attemgted r.ow, in read.inesn fo:.· the ti•:ie when conmmications lll3.de the division possible, Some ind:.c'.l.ticn of the M.ving ot personnel that would be achieved bj division cf 12.bour ·wl".cn cornrr.unicaticns allowed would be a vitluahle ar3~nt in .fav.;our of thi:i early provision of' the necessary _co1:imunicat.ions,

24. Sir EdwB.rd Trov-ls strongly Slpported this point a'.d. Ge r..eral Corderi;ian. agreed that the problem of division of tas.:.s snc:.il<i. be given some attention during tne present conferetlOO.

25. It was then decided that General Coroe:man, Sir id:;rd.rd -Travis, Captain Wenger lllld the Cha.inn.an should hold further disc<.1saions on 'this wbject with the llecessary technicians on or e.fter Tueoday 26th.

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._.,.,-:,:>, '. -_. .,. -;-~~· .,. ': ' · ,.- ~· · · ·:(hoped 'that LOn:l.on Would· eontinue to a.silist the ~ailhington Cent~ in ··. · · ' ~,~~~---)-~ ~?;~~L' · · · . ·:,Y~ i;arficular problem on request, as i~_bafi d.orie in the past, -a_cd · ·

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Captain Sruedberg asked for the inclusion on a future Agenja of ttle qu~stion of whether- might be allowed· the use of oo;.·taiti Speoial Intelligence. It was a~ to ta!<e this a~ the next meeting.

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37. The Secretary gp.ve a re~ of outstanding items to be con_sidered by the Canraittee.

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-pro'!>ably i:e:'!.1"1 t:"-'li; the .roi:idon ~:tg:lnt ~ 'll'OUl.d have to estebli_sli i'e¢?.!'Oocl. :roo'.a:io'tiQ!lS on v.s. penoll!}Cl _,t.ttachea to the: Lone.on Sigint ce;~Z"C ~ ~ Gc;-~--:.El ~Z'dfil2 8J'ld ~tai.1:1 Smcdher,s _ s~d tJ:'.e.t ti'.& ine>i ~ :Ll.1.ty.o:i:_ t.l'.:t.a Tre!> 1'uJ.ly ca:ipromafed: _ .. ,·.-_, "' c:~~ .'·~ - :·:-. _.-

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e.tll.'i;illl'.ent th'.!.n that gi.-en in EX.l-ii.bit l;. 'w•..ilC. b·~ o.<hi en1)lr,,. ~w.·::>

inietiYe had to .be taken in effecting; a di:1isioi.i c.f te.~k.·l a::1d tll.•: caml'l! Centres ~1112elves were 'best pla!:ecl to t al-:e ti":e f'irst l!tep~'· ~1r Efuio?.rd Travia a~~ed ;nth this vie-;v,.

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necesittate th~ omiasion ot para.E. 3 {b) ana (o) of E;::hfo:ii; 4. ooncern1ng divini.oo of ta.Bks on tl";".::-ii.c.; dei'inite oOtild be agreed on, tM8e pointa wi.thcu~ fu:r'br u·lu.;fy,. llo..--ewer, better' fi4'ld.s for tl•e alloc.a1;1.or. of 1:8.:;l;:s m~g.~.t be fo'.lr.d. when thi.s atw:,Y was c&rried out..

60 ~neral Conlemnn e.l!d Sir Erm.rd Tre.rls b.,·":h cor.·.si..dt~!·':(1 th-:d: i~;

1l'aB an urgent req_uir.raient t1it'""the nee;;~ i:W~?::!'::.i.":1.tion rih:::iltl b.:< o=ried ou~ at beth Centres; and. ViemJ e:x:changed e.s to taslro «hic11. should be le!"t to ona or the otl~r Centre,

7o ~adt~r Tilti?ta.~ said there were· resea..rch ta.lb i.n ·Rhich dinsic.n by al ation was riot desirable as t--,.ro hear.Ul u~ better th.Im ere, General Corderman however, sah't that this 'iJOuld. El.Ct 'be t;;-.;.e in oi.l~;.mm+.sr ·

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8. Colonel Rowlett ea.id he Yr!ll:l sure that by the tiroe 2 1111mthly status reports had been er.changed, ,n OOI\"•idorable econo.v pf ;>ersonnel would have been effeoted~ · ·

9. . . In view ~r .the above t!i~ous111o~ it na· n'.reed t~t (e.)-tl;le two CentrOSvrould uiiaertake: the. ne<Jesaa:cy lnv,teHga 1on of·~tasks lihioh would be undertaken aolelr by one centre or the other, effecting divilllon of of labour 1n this Tf#JY As early As pracUoo.bleJ but that {b) Eichibi.t 4 shoUld be anitted f'rom the ,Appmlilix. . . .

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_2. ~ral Co:r&rman, tor this u.s. Il8logation1 and Ca~?:£~E1.~ · ft•, sou 8iid l!ir. ~. for t:he1r ~O'WI ~~i;i;1 e:c~-e-oscd. e;i.z- 8i'Pz::cmil fJf l&i' pa:pora. . . : . . ' . . . '.

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