filomena romanelli testimony february 13, 2009
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FILOMENA ROMANELLI TESTIMONY – FEBRUARY 13, 2009
THE COURT OF PERUGIA
ASSISE COURT
Dr. Magda President
Dott.ssa Christians Judge assessors
THE MINUTES OF THE HEARING PREPARED BY FONOREGISTRAZIONE
VERBAL PAGES: # 172
CRIMINAL CASE # 8/08 R.G.
Paid by: KNOX AMANDA MARIE + 1
HEARING on 07/02/2009
Outcome: 13 February 2009 referral to the
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PROGRESSIVE INDEX
DEPOSITION OF HEADS – ROMANELLI FILOMENA-................................................................... 7
PROSECUTOR-DR. MIGNINI....................................................................................... 7
DEFENCE – OPP. Bongiorno................................................................................................................. 57
DEFENCE – OPP. Maori........................................................................................................................... 65
DEFENCE – OPP. THE WIDOW ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... .... 76
DEFENCE – OPP. GHIRGA......................................................................................................................... 84
PROSECUTOR-DR............................................................................. 92
CIVIL PARTY – AVV. MACHO ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... .... 100
CIVIL PARTY – AVV. SCARONI......................................................................................................... 107
DEFENCE – OPP. Bongiorno............................................................................................................... 108
DEFENCE – OPP. Maori......................................................................................................................... 114
DEFENCE – OPP. Maori......................................................................................................................... 114
DEFENCE – OPP. GHIRGA....................................................................................................................... 118
DEFENCE – OPP. THE WIDOW ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... 123
President.......................................................................................................................................... 134
DEFENCE – OPP. Bongiorno............................................................................................................... 138
PROSECUTOR-DR. MIGNINI..................................................................................... 138
ORDER.......................................................................................................................................... 140
COMPARISON OF THE TEXTS – MICHELE BATTISTELLI AND ABBE............................................... 142
COMPARISON OF THE TEXTS – MICHELE BATTISTELLI AND GREAT PAOLA –......................................... 159
COMPARISON OF TEXTS – ALTIERI LUKE AND BIG PAOLA –........................................................... 167
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THE COURT OF PERUGIA-ASSIZE COURT
Criminal case # 8/08-sitting 07/02/2009
Dr. Magda President
Dott.ssa Christians Judge assessors
Dr. Prosecutor Mignini
Dott.ssa Comfortable Prosecutor
Dott.ssa Sakamoto Chancellor
Stephanie of Pancrazio technical support
PROCEEDINGS against – KNOX AMANDA MARIE + 1-
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – then do one thing serena
without prejudice to the defendants and fulfilling
the need for one shot in conditions where not
apparently assaulted by policemen, rather than making
resumed when entering us would, if you allow, the
consent for two minutes to make shooting, though sitting
to school and so you avoid to steal images in other
conditions, because both are stolen because the
We have seen on television, she is the only one able to
prevent it. Then so we satisfy the interest of
Community one day to have the images in the classroom
for two minutes, the prosecution made me this
they would agree on these conditions,
Instead I would not like these pictures made in this
a way because in fact violate the order, I
appear to be correct.
PRESIDENT: Yes, provided that the accused obviously are
agree on that, the concern of the Court
so far had been in the sense of avoiding that defendants
they were entered in the presence of cameras operating
with shooting, for this we did ... before she entered the
Court and then the defendants when my situation was
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quiet. Quiet, for heaven's sake, is quiet even
with cameras, but in conformity with the Ordinance
emitted. We can also ...
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Get the cameras – maybe of
go out for a moment, they enter the defendants, let's do this
ultimate recovery that will be worth over the next 5 years and
so there will be more shooting stolen.
PRESIDENT – okay, the Court on this, also takes into account
the civil parties have not ...
Speech – there is also the agreement of the other parties.
CHAIRMAN – agreed in these terms. We remain
the orientation which you have data, i.e. the operators,
because the starts when the Court is in the classroom and all
parts are in the classroom. The hearing has not started yet
because there are no sides, but before it starts
and also, unless there is a different determination
in reference to prediction of 147 of the
implementing measures, however until that time to
about stands for the attention of the parties further
instances in this regard, delivered however until that
now the camera operators are invited to
go out and not to shoot. Also because
It also becomes difficult to coordinate, so if they want or
turn the cameras together, laying them at
walls or exit if they can't help but
keep them lit. So we can bring the defendants.
Maybe you can ... If the cameras are supported by
somewhere not operating. We can bring the
defendants. You remind the parties that the Ordinance
shooting was also in terms of revisiting
same, though in a State of ... Or for parts of the
trial, maybe here is at the final stage when there
are the threads or exposure ... Anyway. Well
We can bring the accused, I do not think that there
are cameras that operate. It is recognized that are
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the attention of the parties the instances of
restitution. At 9.30 the court process is called
Assizes charged Amanda Knox and Raffaele
Reminder. There are defendants, assisted by
their defenders, prosecutors
Dr. Mignini and Dr. comfy, and parts
Civilians constituted and represented by their respective
defenders. The lawyer Pacelli is replaced by Attorney
Scaroni. Is also present, he acknowledges, the interpreter
English language for the defendant Amanda Knox, to whom
interpreter please note that in the proceeding of the hearing
will have to translate what was said in Italian
translate it into the language understood by the accused Knox
Amanda to allow it to ... Sorry, we avoid
Maybe this shoot because it was issued a
Ordinance on the point which should be respected. Yes
invite users to take this into account,
otherwise we have to suspend the sitting and take
subsequent determinations because the hearing takes place
as it is placed. If they want or
leave or place the cameras.
Defence – Opp. Maori Mr President we had given a
consent, in revision, it's been two minutes,
We may resume the ordinary ...
PRESIDENT – Still filming and photos. The right
news reports on this is abundantly illustrated.
It was said to the interpreter to translate precisely into language
English to enable the defendant to follow all the
procedural stages and also take advantage of the possibilities that the
Code provides and allows. The parts were notiziate
return of those instances in which there is the
the Prosecutor's opinion, the outcome of the hearing, the
The Court shall, after hearing although there are indications,
If there are deductions on these instances. It seems to me that
are two, Romanelli and Mak. We can
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then start the hearing we gave note of
present. Excuse me, please, the cameras ... Sorry,
they must also exit the cameras, which we
help you start hearing. Should not do anything,
We are already hearing need not do anything, they must
observe the order made. Excuse me please
We need to start hearing. I see that there are
cameras in the courtroom in action today was the hearing
to continue. The public can insist of course but
without consultation and without make their voices heard,
and because it is not allowed and is mostly because
disturbs. Was today's audience to hear
four texts of the Prosecutor indicated for today
as well as for comparisons in the hearing yesterday.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – Feel the Romanelli.
Defence – Opp. Ghirga – President, but comparisons don't
We do more?
PRESIDENT – Yes, we do, but we can do
the end of the morning, when there are all the persons mentioned
for the same present, because we don't know that there
they are. However the Prosecutor asks to hear
the Romanelli.
Defence – Opp. Ghirga – I ask the word order
jobs. I didn't realize the immediacy of the comparison
It was also because we remembered ...
PRESIDENT – We do between a witness or between two texts, always
in this hearing. She has been cited as heads, as
witness has an obligation to tell the truth, this obligation is
callback, you recall the moral consequences and
legal persons provided for heads that is found to be
not having it properly and completely fulfilled. Must
now make the statement that is, say its
General information.
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DEPOSITION OF HEADS – FILOMENA ROMANELLI-
LA TESTE, ADMONISHED PURSUANT TO ART. 497 of the CODE of
CRIMINAL PROCEDURE LAW THE CUSTOMARY FORMULA
GENERAL INFORMATION: Filomena Romanelli, born in Codigliano Calabro on
25 June 1979, resident, domiciled in Perugia.
PRESIDENT – the Prosecutor may proceed to the exam. The
heads is common to other parts, this for
the order.
PROSECUTOR-DR. MIGNINI
QUESTION – Feel her when she went to live in via della
Pergola?
REPLY – then you and Ms. Laura Mazzetti took
rent the House on Via della Pergola around the
end of August, we started in accordance with
the Agency in early summer for you
preserve and began to occupy in late
August. It was a House that included 4 bedrooms and
for this reason we decided to try two other girls
in order to divide what was the
lease.
QUESTION – the Canon as it was?
REPLY – Were 1200 Euros, 300 euros each.
QUESTION – and then you were looking ...
REPLY – and then of course there's say we behaved as
custom, put ads or through
newspaper and is using yellow sticky notes attached to the bar,
I mean as it is customary to say between university students and
We received many phone calls obviously because
However the House is located in a pretty
favorable who must attend the University, was near
in the Centre, close to the Faculty and also in the middle of the
Green. Among the various people that as we
called to view the House, at the beginning was
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Amanda who were I think the first of the month
September, the first of September, it was with
his sister, taken vision of home, we explained
What were we say contract terms because
We had to anyway then put in writing that
that was the contract with the Agency, she found herself
Okay, we agree to which room she
should have occupied and in a few days anyway
He left because he had to go if I'm not mistaken in Germany
and said that she would return by the end of the month
September. At his departure, after a few days, I
I received the phone calls, among other always
by Meredith, was also her to take the House and
He saw the room, what had remained free, even with
She did the same thing, we explained the clauses
under the contract, the deposit, Canon, etc.,
agree and then after a couple of days, if not
I accidentally left the hotel where he was staying and
was to occupy the House.
QUESTION – So in that period was?
REPLY – September 10, if I'm not mistaken, that is, Mah was
really at the beginning of September, will have been,
not even the first two weeks of September.
QUESTION – Senta and then at the end of the month ... at the beginning of the month
in September he said?
REPLY – Meredith was definitive ..., I mean Yes.
QUESTION – Permanently?
REPLY – definitely rose to occupy the House already
Since mid-September.
QUESTION – since mid-September. And Amanda?
REPLY – Amanda returned around 20, 21, 22 now with
accuracy cannot remember, however around the 20, he returned
from Germany and settled at home, so
crucially and improbably, although Amanda
He saw first the House, to occupy it before was Meredith.
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QUESTION – Feel the relationship between Meredith and Amanda as they were?
They were always equal or have changed?
REPLY-then of course the two girls were peers and
they had common interests, both were English speakers and
so this facilitated certainly among them
communication. Me and Laura, for interest, for
work issues, to study issues, in addition to
being friends for a long time, anyway
We had time and at different times, the morning we were leaving
early to go to work, come back home for a
short lunch break and then walked back home at night. The
girls obviously, who was in Erasmus and who was coming
anyway to study Italian at the University for
strangers had obviously many more interests in
common and therefore at the beginning I remember being
Note that Meredith was before, began to explain to
Amanda a little, I don't know, exits, the Center,
so at the beginning definetly their relationships were
good, there was, there was no reason not to go
agree, indeed repeat had many interests in
common.
QUESTION – and then?
REPLY – Look then for what I could
perceive me and always with respect, and always
regarding the first attendance in the House because
during the day I wasn't there, it seemed that
However as they caught, not streets
different, but maybe develop personal interests and
cultivated them individually, no longer with the same
regularity or frequency that had been there at the beginning.
QUESTION – but she had, there had been confidences of
Meredith for example or Amanda against
the other, in relation to the other, confidences with her?
ANSWER – well, confidences, in the sense that you know in a menage
familiar sometimes, especially when there is
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knows well or when you are beginning to know
early setting rules of coexistence is not
always easy and repeat while me and Laura to say
This way we were already pretty navigate, some
sometimes even a bit more tolerant, even for a
question of age, so one tries to understand the
the fact that you're out of the House, you're living an experience
new, though in fact some times you could create
the conditions of conflict, particularly with
for example I know the house cleaning,
that then when there is a coexistence say para
College/University is one of the pseudo
the most difficult, most delicate topics.
QUESTION – How did you?
ANSWER – we had established roster because the arrangement
the House was made in such a way that being two
bathrooms inside the House the bathrooms could use
Let's say two bedrooms and then me and Laura had
decided, namely as regards the bath which served
our bedrooms we would have occupied us,
girls would have occupied in the bathroom that served the
their bedrooms, for the common parts we had
established shifts.
QUESTION – but they have created problems?
REPLY – and not always shifts were respected.
QUESTION – who is not respected them?
REPLY – Amanda sometimes not respected them, but ...
QUESTION – do you remember when?
ANSWER – in October.
QUESTION – and that using for housekeeping?
ANSWER – we were using brooms, mops and products for
home.
QUESTION – what products were?
REPLY – detergents for home, from washing up
flooring, bleach, standard for
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home cleaning.
QUESTION – and there were also other issues that have arisen, not
I know, they were strangers in the House?
ANSWER – Yes, they were strangers in the House, the fact is
this: the girls, when I speak of the girls I
refer to Meredith and Amanda, the girls of course
having more interests in common, teen, out of doors,
etc., for they did much ... They were obviously also very
cute, it was easy for them to make friends with
boys and early maybe made friendship with neighbors
of course, even after other people
were normally between the University and the premise that
attended. I can say that Meredith has never
brought no one stranger in the House outside of a couple
If I'm not mistaken, a couple of girlfriends British, apart from their
two I've never seen Meredith bring guys in
home. I have never seen nor directly Amanda
bring men into the House, because I often end
week I walked away from the House so
almost every weekend I wasn't there,
but when I got home I knew was coming anyway
know that maybe there was someone.
QUESTION – and who did it?
REPLY – Amanda.
QUESTION – do you remember who was there, who was attending to these
strangers?
REPLY – I remember attending the neighbors and some
friends of neighbors, then gradually, I remember
He went to work in the Pub the Chique, there was a
Albanian guy but now I do not remember the name
and I remember once in a lunch break was
even this guy with her, ate fleetingly
something and then they went out because I do not know what commissions
they had to do.
QUESTION – do you remember other guys who say they arrived
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in the House, so strangers?
REPLY – I remember a guy whom I know this
boy slept at home, but when he slept at home I
still wasn't there.
QUESTION – and who had invited him?
REPLY – Amanda.
QUESTION – Always Amanda, what was the name of this guy?
REPLY – Something like Daniel, David, was a friend of
neighbors don't remember sincerely well named.
QUESTION – and Meredith was fiancee say or at least had
a relationship with one of the guys ...
REPLY-then I found myself once, I think a
Once talking to Meredith say of his life
private and personal, from this point of view, because
must understand that though we knew each other and
at the beginning are other arguments with which you enter
confidence, first to create a real confidence
of their own. On that occasion, Meredith told me that
However he didn't bond with anyone here, was coming in
Italy here to study and in fact has always shown
major interests both for the firm, was buying always the
daily newspaper, that is was a girl who
He went to the University every day, yes it's true coming out,
but he never late that much in the evening so I
confided once when he didn't want to, say,
have relations with anyone.
PRESIDENT – but is this? Once ce se knows denote
over time.
REPLY – look at it I remember it was afternoon, exactly
Yes, but I wouldn't go wrong, it will have been the first of the month
in October, one afternoon, I remember we were on
sofa in the afternoon, but the rest the coexistence
lasted very little. However shortly afterwards he told me
realize that a neighbor say he had
developed an interest in him and she
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He said, however, I don't know, I'm a little unsure, I don't know if
I'm interested in Yes or no, but in fact it was a guy
very sweet so it was a very cute courtship
and then ...
QUESTION – and told her who was this guy?
REPLY – Giacomo, Giacomo Silenzi.
QUESTION – which was one of those who were there?
REPLY-Yes Yes.
QUESTION – So you hung out with the guys downstairs?
REPLY – I do a lot less, I tell the truth, because in any case
I was engaged and had other interests, in any case
I was a life a little lets say a little more secluded,
I was a student, I used to work, weekends, I saw myself
with my boyfriend, so I honestly a lot less
in fact I had no phone number of
boys.
QUESTION – Feel so she doesn't know, can't say who attended
the House of boys, the apartment downstairs?
REPLY – the boys were often from us, that is
even for coffee, but for us it was also a
security in the sense that four boys, it is true that the
House was in a nice position, Pan and all, but
the night was dark, so for us the fact that we were
four guys below and have good relationships
neighborhood with these guys, it was in any case a
security because it seems clear, that is, for any
necessity, the stupidest thing can be a little
sugar for the coffee in the morning, to need to
whatever, were nevertheless of tall guys,
strong enough, was for us girls a,
in fact it was a friendship that was still glad.
QUESTION – Look before you go any further, the outer door.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – the outer door of the apartment, that
overlooking the pitch, you had the key all
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How many?
RESPONSE-Of Course.
QUESTION – close properly?
REPLY – Thus had problems this port, it was,
with Laura had decided to talk about it as soon as possible with
the hostess or otherwise with the landlady for
through the Agency, why not lock so
good in the sense that if the door was pulled behind
not always did the shot, that is not always the closure
fit in the lock, so it was convenient to every
time lock and in fact we shut them up
also in, when we were inside and there is the
so-called magic eye, i.e. the loop to see the
outside, when he knocked someone always wondered who
It was at least a couple of times to make sure before
Open.
Question-excuse me a minute, I wanted to understand this, so
door was locked was locked, did not ...
ANSWER – Yes it was locked.
QUESTION – When ...
REPLY – it was the only way to close it.
QUESTION – When you're at home you closed and locked the
door?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – this key remaining, and the key was
obviously ...
REPLY – Inside.
QUESTION – If anyone else had the same key,
Another key, identical, had wanted to open the
door from the outside take it or this key the
locking up?
ANSWER – don't remember if such a situation ever happened
type, but I think it would have stuck out,
because the key was preventing the entry of other key.
QUESTION – I get it.
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ANSWER – excuse me, maybe once happened instead, no no,
Maybe once it happened if I'm not mistaken or with Meredith or
with Laura, but I think I was right there in the living room,
heard him fumble with the armor and immediately wondered who
It was and so I immediately went to open, Yes.
QUESTION – I understand, anyway you when you were in
you closed the door?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – When first saw Raffaele Sollecito?
REPLY – 26 October.
QUESTION-Says.
REPLY – it was graduation day of my dearest
friend.
QUESTION – and saw him, who had taken it?
REPLY – Amanda.
Question-You said something, I introduced him?
REPLY – so that day if I'm not mistaken it was a Friday and
It was graduation day for a friend, so I'm not
I went to work, which is why I asked for a
day off, went out early in the morning to attend to
also, gift, flowers, and it was raining when I returned
in the House there were Laura, Amanda and this guy, Meredith
He returned a while later, I don't remember now, but I
remember for Laura and asked to Laura who was
This guy and Laura told me "is a friend of Amanda,
It's called Raphael. "
Question-So from that day on how many times he saw in
the House on Via della Pergola?
ANSWER – a few times.
QUESTION – a few times on that occasions, i.e. was not
so in the afternoon, in the morning, at lunch, at dinner?
REPLY – I remember it once was after business hours
work, then it must have been the 7, I was at home, so
are the 7, 7 and a half because he asked Laura
If it was possible to borrow a guitar, Laura
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He had two guitars, one of his property and that the
It had been given by a friend and because even
Amanda knew play guitar often lent it to him
and I definitely remember that occasion where
Raphael churches say the second guitar on loan
to Laura.
QUESTION – I get it. Hear Meredith and Derek, were friends,
I mean they were dating for what, in those days?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – Do Not ...
REPLY – but there is warmth, how can there be ...
QUESTION – but nothing special?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – do you remember if Meredith never went for lunch
Dunning?
ANSWER – No. That I know not.
QUESTION – Even Meredith knew Raffaele on that occasion
or had seen it before?
REPLY – I don't know.
QUESTION – does not know. Behold, Amanda from that 26 July she
recalls that he slept at home, at home by way of
Pergola, in his house?
REPLY-then I remember one night I came home, but ...
QUESTION – do you remember that night was?
REPLY – Thus the graduation was on Friday, perhaps on Monday. By
shortly thereafter, close, very little, I remember one night
definitely did not sleep at home because it went from Raffaele.
QUESTION – I wanted to know this, so that evening she
has not returned home, told her where it was?
ANSWER – By Raphael.
QUESTION – and then other times, other times ...
REPLY – other times I I couldn't tell you because I was going
However an early night, IE not very soon, but if the
girl came out and then I fell to sleep and
probably came home at 10 am
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We'd seen them anyway, even if she
She returned at 2 and then you would be up at 10,
I would view anyway, i.e. I could think
He was asleep, she was out, I couldn't
take a look at.
Question-so the key couldn't hold it in
lock, you had to ...
ANSWER – should have knocked.
QUESTION – so remember how were your cutlery,
in the apartment?
ANSWER – there were lots of silverware because some talking we brought
me and Laura, and some were already inside the House,
in fact, there were so many at the beginning of
disposal, say of object allocation
fee that some were forced like, anyway
We decided to remove them from daily use and put
under in a drawer.
QUESTION – can you tell us how they were this cutlery, which handle
they had, what color, what kind were they?
REPLY – Look I remember now, I probably was
already asked this and sincerely I remember
He was already asked at the time, though at the time I lived there and
I remember it being a little better now, honestly.
QUESTION – I think on 3 December, it seems to me, if I'm not mistaken, has
told they were heaven.
REPLY – I was thinking blue, so I wanted to
venture to say just to avoid mistakes.
QUESTION: you have never seen the knife that I am showing?
Exhibit 36, at home.
REPLY – Look at that time not to have this copy, but if
I think its a kind of photography I was back then,
It means in the immediacy of the events, I was shown
a photograph with a knife like this, then
I suppose the real photo that has made this
photocopy, is a very common but not the knife
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recognize as belonging to the House.
QUESTION – I get it. Listen please remember if, can tell if Amanda
Dunning did use drugs?
ANSWER – Yes. But honestly?
PRESIDENT – Yes, Yes, what you ...
REPLY – it comes naturally I meant it sincerely. Were not
can I define them for drug addicts, I can't
define them folks ...
QUESTION – No, if they use.
REPLY – happened once, twice, but nothing ...
QUESTION – what kind of ...
REPLY – Hashish, but honestly I was a ... Not
was that the problem say, meaning that anyway
were boys, judge is very easy, you have to
see ...
PRESIDENT – are you saying then, she ...
REPLY – I have seen them a few times, but I honestly
I created much trouble with who knows what kind.
PRESIDENT – Yes, you said that Sollecito Raffaele the has
first saw at home on October 26?
ANSWER: Yes, I remember that for sure because it was the
my friend's graduation.
PRESIDENT – Then he also said that reviewed in two other
occasions at home.
ANSWER – Yes.
PRESIDENT – away from home saw him some other time?
ANSWER – No.
PRESIDENT – Then three times, on these three times that she has
How many times have you seen Raffaele Sollecito had
perception of the use of narcotic drug, she
said once, twice?
ANSWER – excuse me, I've seen it twice if I'm not mistaken
before it happened then the find, etc, then I
saw a couple more times, however I saw him
next to the police station, of course.
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PRESIDENT – In previous faces the fact she noticed
that made use of drugs?
REPLY – once.
QUESTION – together with someone else or by yourself?
REPLY – but honestly now I do not remember, he was with
Amanda, I mean I still remember the day when their
I've seen it.
QUESTION: what did he do?
REPLY – Prepared lunch, he was very kind to Amanda that
day, Yes, on that occasion I think made a
Salim.
PRESIDENT – They then Raffaele Sollecito ...
ANSWER – No, he made but then here and if I'm not mistaken Amanda though
I don't remember him well.
PRESIDENT – Then Raffaele Sollecito is a joint, the
packs and Amanda smokes?
REPLY – you may have made a shot, two shots, Yes.
PRESIDENT – two of them?
ANSWER – Yes, Meredith no. Meredith ...
PRESIDENT – So once you saw, this episode
on one occasion, occurred after October 26,
before 2 November?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – In connection with the knife that was shown, as
I said it's exhibit 36, is the knife
sequestered at home prompt, I can also produce it.
PRESIDENT – Yes, the outcome, the parties have seen ... Yes, yes.
QUESTION – is the exhibit 36. Look products of the House,
you used bleach or lisoform?
ANSWER – Yes, the bleach I bought it myself and in fact later in
I tracked down below even the receipt where the
I bought. The lisoform I don't remember well, but they were
always cleaning agents, bleach I
I remember it because I bought it myself on offer.
QUESTION – Feel there has been a ... He remembers a conversation,
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an interview ..., talks when you talked about the
rent all at once?
REPLY – Ah, Yes.
QUESTION – Here.
REPLY – so you would be approached, i.e. we were
at the beginning of the month ... We were near the end of the month of
October and there would be a bridge in relation to
Feast of the dead and Laura would return home for
this opportunity, I would have been still in Perugia but not
I would have stayed at home and 5 would be Monday,
as in contract we had that by 5 of each month
We would have to pay rent there was me and Laura on
sofa and we thought to remember anyway girls
for 5 we should bring together the money for the payment
of the fee. We were on the couch, I remember that it was
Meredith from his room say, however by
hallway and was Laura I think telling her "Meredith
Anyway I now there are for these days, though
on Monday we have to pay the rent "and Meredith said
that there were problems because she already had the money and
in fact, me and Laura jokingly as the fact
that was a real English.
QUESTION – said ...
REPLY – said: "If you want I can give you even now
already the money. "
QUESTION – said he had much money?
ANSWER – Yes Yes because ... Therefore explained to us his own, if he does not
mistake right on that occasion that she had two
cards or two bank accounts, one
staff and one of the University or who had
went to College in favor of Erasmus to stay here
in Italy.
QUESTION – a species ...
ANSWER – a sort of scholarship. And then he
said: "no problem, I have already liquids,
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you want I can give you ". And Laura and I decided "No No,
now the money doesn't get them, we catch them when we
We have them all, "because in effect we're going
We said, but we had them already in our
availability for this we were a moment like that.
QUESTION – and Amanda has heard those words?
REPLY – Amanda was in the House, if I'm not mistaken, Amanda was in
House, I can't remember if it was present during
all the conversation or if he was in the process of
conversation.
QUESTION – Though I mean at some point arrived while
were you talking to?
ANSWER – Yes.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno-President excuse me, it's a
some question this method, the witness says I don't know
If it was absent or if he arrived during the conversation,
then came anyway.
REPLY – was in the House.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – one thing is that he's at home in
another room, one thing is for sure, and if then came
heads had said an alternative hypothesis. To me it is not that
I am very interested, but I don't care what method that there is
often a summary of the Prosecutor who plays
not faithfully the thought of the witness. I try to
do nothing, however we avoid this kind of synthesis.
QUESTION – I don't think so.
PRESIDENT – sorry, anyway there is registration and
obviously applies.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – is a question.
PRESIDENT – behold, suggestive questions that aren't made ...
Please Prosecutor may propose the question.
QUESTION – Then Amanda was in the House or not?
REPLY – was in the House.
QUESTION – was in her room or ...
PRESIDENT – where it was, where were you? Was home, knows how to say
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where, in which one of the rooms of the House?
REPLY – I say that half of the conversation was
in the living room, before if she had gone to the bathroom,
If it was a moment in the room, but anyway the room
It is not ... The House was not so great as to not allow ...
We're not talking about ...
PRESIDENT – Sorry lawyer, do not stop, please.
REPLY – certainly we don't laughed when we were talking about
This thing, but I repeat Meredith came from the corridor
and the corridor ended almost at the beginning of
the room that was in me and gave me right away in the living room –
kitchen. We stopped to talk there, now the exact moment
Amanda joined the discussion does not
I remember.
QUESTION – Then I'd understand it, right? She confirms,
Amanda is predestined in this debate or
No, you got?
REPLY – is predestined in this debate.
QUESTION – so it was like she was saying. Then you remember
When Amanda, you were talking about this or
other things?
ANSWER – we were talking about the House, this,
the rent, as well.
QUESTION – Look when she saw Meredith modified?
REPLY – The 31.
QUESTION – do you remember the time?
ANSWER – Yes, the last time we greet around 8
and a half hours, 9 pm.
QUESTION – there was someone with her?
ANSWER – Yes, I basically got home if I'm not mistaken a bit
First off, I returned at around 18.30;
similar, and I was alone at home, I was alone at home by virtue of
the fact that just entered I waved like we used to
always and in any case to ensure whoever is inside the House,
"Hello, is there anybody, I'm home," I responded
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No, I took a look from the hallway, I knew
Laura was not there and then nothing I put on the couch
read, very little Meredith came and we
put a chat, I tell the truth, I was listening to
a cd and I did feel, being ...
QUESTION – excuse me, wait a minute, sorry. Before you go
forward if not I forget, when did you get
door was locked?
ANSWER – when I first arrived I do.
QUESTION – the outer door.
ANSWER – we are talking about the 31.
QUESTION – Of 31.
ANSWER – Yes, it was closed.
PRESIDENT – the outer door of the villa.
QUESTION – The apartment, so she did that, she
knocking or opened with his key?
REPLY – I opened it with the key.
QUESTION – so there was Meredith?
ANSWER – No, I came alone, I was alone at home, came
Meredith, we talk a lot,
I say yes I told her a lot of things about my
the University period because the cd that I was
listening I told her it was a cd that I often heard while
I was a student and wanted me to duplicarglielo, we talked about so much,
Although it was a very short time, then told me he had
bought a costume because it was Halloween, and
I said, "show me" so and I went and got, was
a cloak if I'm not mistaken and false teeth, anyway
It was a Cape and asked me what kind of makeup can
match, borrowed some tricks, then he heard my
boyfriend so I can go to see a film at the cinema,
We tried to book the ticket, but were totally
full and then ate, Marco Zahrani was there at home
It was around 8, 8:30, brought the pizzas,
Meredith I think neither ate pizza with us,
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We ate me and Marco, meanwhile Meredith prepared,
It was released shortly after and ...
QUESTION – what time came out?
REPLY – 9, 9:30, because we at 10 we came out more or
less so a little earlier.
QUESTION – Feel it was raining that night?
REPLY – Then when Marco and I walked out of the House no,
though it was time to rain, I don't remember if he had
just stopped raining and was getting ready to
rain, perhaps had already been raining and it was wet on the ground,
but when I am out of the House no.
QUESTION – look, you said you were listening to a cd
Meredith?
ANSWER – Yes, my, what I put.
QUESTION – How long did this ...
ANSWER-the time of the songs, definitely more than an hour.
QUESTION: so did you listen to the music?
ANSWER: Yes, because as I said I am back in
House, there was none, I turned on the lamp that you
located in the kitchen, I started to read a book I was
reading, I turned on the music because I wanted to relax and
shortly thereafter it was Meredith started talking of the cd,
for some, that is so of things related to the cd,
to the University, the book I read. She advised me
an English author, we talked about this, but in
Meanwhile of course the cd was spinning, then over an hour
surely.
QUESTION – the music then lasted more than an hour?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – Senta Amanda where she was?
ANSWER – there wasn't.
Question – How?
ANSWER – there wasn't.
QUESTION: so you didn't see neither Amanda nor Solicitous?
ANSWER – No.
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QUESTION – Meredith told her where he was Amanda by accident,
He talked to her?
REPLY – Perhaps even we talked about that.
QUESTION – Senta Rudy knew her?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – her when she left the House on Via della
Bower, she went away.
REPLY – The same 31 ...
QUESTION – Then when she goes out to go to the movies leaves
the apartment?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – she looked in her room, she closed the
window, or left open, the shutters as
were they?
REPLY-I closed the window. I'm done.
QUESTION – the blinds as they were, had problems or were in
place?
REPLY – I'd complained to the Agency honestly now,
ever since I took the apartment as I would have liked
that my window had, that I would have liked that
hostess could put ... Or change the closure
Windows, doors and window frames or put bars
because it wasn't just smooth and did not give me a sense of
safety, were old, they were old, taxes
then the glass was very thin and did not give me an idea
in fact, I personally I complained
much with the Agency.
QUESTION – but the shutters were moving well or ...
ANSWER – No, it was force to close.
QUESTION – both of them?
REPLY – I think Yes, both of you. When I tried to
close it every now and then I had to push a little.
QUESTION – So. ..
ANSWER – in fact kind several times if I wanted to change
the air was enough to just think I was trying to close it a little
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much remained a bit blocked, at least that one does not
did strength and then passed the air.
QUESTION – Sorry let me understand, do not open
completely the shutters?
REPLY – took a while shooting, you had to pull a
little.
QUESTION – they enforced in practice?
ANSWER: Yes, because practically being of wood, over time
the wood had bulked up a bit then rubbed herself on
shelf.
QUESTION – But both or just one?
REPLY – I remember well that was rubbing against me the right one.
QUESTION – Then she remembers that they have closed the window or
isn't it?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – and goes away? In her room she's left
room in order of course?
REPLY – I think I left just a t-shirt on
bed.
QUESTION – and then there were valuables?
ANSWER: Yes, I had some jewelry, a laptop computer and then
Okay, if you can call by value, effects
However, staff from sunglasses,
scholarships, however objects that cost.
QUESTION – and the computer kept him?
REPLY – the computer I leaned, was in custody that
also the coast, is a case note door
padded computer because sometimes the computer I needed
to take it to work, so if I'm not mistaken. The
I leaned in feet, not lying.
QUESTION – Always in the room?
ANSWER: Yes, in my room.
QUESTION – and then the jewels where kept them?
ANSWER – In a bedside jewelry holders in nightstand.
QUESTION – Was opened?
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ANSWER – Yes, no key.
QUESTION – She her door the lock the door?
REPLY – I didn't have a key.
QUESTION – it was just her or other did not have
key?
REPLY – I didn't have the key, Laura and Meredith had the
key, I don't remember if the room of Amanda, but I
I guess not, I do not remember.
QUESTION – Feel but these rooms were left, when
day were left open or were closed, apart from
her that she didn't have the key so. ..
REPLY – mostly were left open.
Question-were all open?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – always open?
ANSWER – Yes. It seems to me that only once Laura Mezzetti
going away for the weekend shut the room but
because, she said, but this I can't think
because, however I only know Laura Stacks.
QUESTION – and Meredith as she held the door, her room,
the door ...
REPLY – Open.
QUESTION – always open. Feel the night ...
PRESIDENT – Sorry to say open means open not
closed key?
REPLY – not locked.
PRESIDENT – or the door wide open?
REPLY – not locked.
PRESIDENT – Closed ...
REPLY – not always closed, maybe sometimes pulled but not,
Let's not closed, resting, but still never
key, ajar, but ever.
QUESTION – The night between 31 and the 1, where he spent?
Then she said, it seems to me that you mention this before.
ANSWER – Yes, a casa di Marco Zahrani.
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Question-before we go any further I wanted to know this,
the fact that Laura Mezzetti they would go to the
bridge.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – that she would go home of her boyfriend, was to
knowledge of the other two roommates?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – did they know?
ANSWER – Yes, Meredith sure, Meredith knew for sure.
QUESTION – she knew Amanda?
REPLY – I learned, I personally I didn't tell her that
There I was, though I think Laura I
He said, so if you don't ... I personally do not, don't
press release, but I think it took news.
PRESIDENT – excuse me how do you say it took news?
ANSWER – because if I'm not mistaken, if I remember correctly, Laura
told her that weekend anyway we wouldn't
State, but Laura told me that I had
Science direct but ...
QUESTION – Then she the night between 31 and 1 is from
boyfriend, Marco?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – what time he wakes up, and then on the morning of 1, now
We are the morning of 1?
ANSWER – Yes, I woke up 9:30 or so, not too
soon. I called my friend, I don't remember if I
He called Joan garner anyway because we were having regard
evening, i.e. it was agreed ... Ah, no. I'm
making a mess, it was the 1, 1 day of all
Saints. The 1 was the Abbe's birthday,
I was making a mess already with the morning of 2. The 1 is
Abbe's birthday so me and Marco had to
go to lunch at casa di Luca because it would
celebrated there at home with friends, Marco and I had
the gift I had to change it anyway I wanted
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make a package for this gift, we were slightly
later than the hour that we agreed with the
other friends, so anyway I convinced Marco to return
home ...
QUESTION – in Via della Pergola.
REPLY-in Via della Pergola, so we could do the
package, I could change and then go to lunch
a casa di Luca.
QUESTION – in Via della Pergola who was there?
REPLY – Amanda.
QUESTION – there was Amanda.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – do you remember how she was dressed?
ANSWER – he had, as she was dressed in all no, because
She was sitting, if I'm not mistaken she was making breakfast had
striped wool sweater, wearing a sweatshirt.
QUESTION – to lines like, what color?
REPLY – white and black, was doing hiring, we came
I asked her if there was Meredith, told me he was
asleep, I asked her if kindly it could assist
Mark to make the package because a girl is
a little more practice to make packages, while
I changed help Marco to make the package of
gift for Luke and in half an hour we went right
away because we were already running late.
QUESTION – and you went to the Carnival?
ANSWER – we went first to lunch at casa di Luca and we
stayed there for much of the afternoon, because between
friends, it was my birthday and then we went out and we
went to the Carnival, rides, down at Pian di
Massiano, we were there a good while because we
made various games that were there, however we were a
Group of friends, play target practice, such things as well and
around 10 more or less, at around 22.00 in the evening
We returned home ...
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QUESTION – By Marco?
ANSWER – Yes, we escorted Luke and Paola by car.
QUESTION – sorry lives?
REPLY – Sources Covered in Perugia.
QUESTION: so you're back then home the night between 1 and
the 2?
ANSWER – Yes, yes we came home, we telephoned later
also a friend of mark to see if they were leaving, but
We were tired so we stayed home.
QUESTION – She had no telephone contact with Amanda and
Meredith on the night of the 1?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – Then on the morning of 2, now we get to the
morning of 2 What's going on?
REPLY – I always wake up on the morning of 2 not too
early around 9:30, at 10 and was I
agree with Paola from the night before ...
QUESTION – Joan Garner?
ANSWER – Yes, Joan Garner, to go along with the fair
because in Pian di Massiano for the occasion of the dead
There was a fair, to go along with the fair for
buy something, to see what they were offering the
various stalls and we agreed that I would go
to take, because you don't live in Perugia, she lives in
Rome, but was coming for the occasion of the birthday of
Ponte da Luca who is her boyfriend, then Paola
slept from Luke, and we agreed that I would
Marco took the car, I would have gone to pick her up and
would we go together to the fair.
QUESTION – and you then go to the fair?
RESPONSE – and we go to the fair, we felt ...
QUESTION – and then what happened?
ANSWER – we go to the fair and I got to take
Paola a little late.
QUESTION – what time it was?
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ANSWER – more or less around noon, we were left a
while before, and around noon I went to
take Paola for go ...
QUESTION – who lived?
REPLY – near (Elce) I do not remember how it is called the
Street. I went and got Peter, we bought cigarettes and
We headed towards Pian di Massiano, halfway
Anyway I got a phone call from Amanda, i.e. While
We were near the area where
the fair I got a phone call from Amanda ...
QUESTION – excuse me for a moment, what time it was when he received the
phone call?
REPLY – even 10 minutes, that is, very little is Mah
than when we started because we didn't have
had time yet to arrive already Amanda mi
She phoned and Elce at Pian di Massiano
However it is not a very long distance, cheap.
QUESTION – it's been a 10 minutes?
ANSWER: Yes, we were already in the area, but we weren't in the area
of the parking lot.
QUESTION – So roughly what time is?
ANSWER – more or less 10 minutes, a quarter of an hour.
QUESTION – So hours?
REPLY – I went to pick her up at noon, 12 and a
4th.
QUESTION – what she says Amanda?
REPLY-then "Hi Mandi there's something strange in the House"
"Hey Amanda what happened, what do you mean?" "I am
arrived and the door was open, I entered ... "and spoke
a bit in English a bit in Italian, I remember it well
He said "(Were is sunfing stranger)", so there is
something strange, he said: "I am now
going by Raffaele, I showered, I go from
Raphael so I do come. There's blood I think. "
I did: "Amanda didn't understand, explain to me why there is
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something strange, there's the open door, did you get the
shower video, there's blood, but Meredith where are you? " "Not
I know ". I didn't understand well what I say why not
I could follow it, that is the door open, you've had
shower but there's blood, I did: "perhaps Meredith
She got hurt, I don't know, you will be cut off "can
happen, I don't know, I said "(Do a check)" "
check and call me now. "
Question-before we go any further, she speaks English well?
ANSWER – No, indeed not, though I try.
QUESTION – I mean, speaks it understands?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – do you remember if invited her ...
PRESIDENT – she spoke English, in Italian?
REPLY – I have been to England three times, but not
I could do the interpreter, I speak English ...
PRESIDENT – understand what Amanda?
ANSWER – Yes Yes.
PRESIDENT – with Meredith in what language he spoke?
REPLY – Meredith spoke to me in Italian and I was telling you about in
English why so improving both.
PRESIDENT – with Meredith then Italian and English, instead
Amanda spoke ...
REPLY – Amanda told me, I wanted to do the same thing too
with Amanda but she told me that she preferred to always speak
in Italian because he was in Italy to learn.
PRESIDENT – Then Amanda spoke Italian then?
ANSWER – Yes.
PRESIDENT – and the phone call?
REPLY-but sometimes a word in English came out.
PRESIDENT – so a little Italian and a little ...
ANSWER – Yes.
PRESIDENT – and the phone call he spoke?
REPLY – I told her "Do a check" run a check because
I honestly did not understand well what I meant.
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PRESIDENT – In phone call when he speaks there's blood ...
REPLY – I spoke mostly in Italian and then began to
talk to me a little in English and then back into Italian.
President-you conceive?
ANSWER – Yes, there was something that happened, but not
understand what.
QUESTION – I.e. the sentences the understood?
ANSWER: Yes, however were not understandable, that is thought to
I don't understand what ...
QUESTION – although he said in Italian would be
garbled.
PRESIDENT – okay, this is the meaning.
QUESTION – I.e. garbled content.
PRESIDENT – Please.
QUESTION – Then called at around 12.15?
ANSWER – Yes.
PRESIDENT – so called at 12.15.
ANSWER – Yes, now if 12.13 or 12.16 however at around 12.15
Yes.
QUESTION – do you remember if invited her to call the police?
REPLY – I told her I. .. I.e. attention, I told her: "Amanda
check it out and call me immediately ". Meanwhile
I said ... Honestly I really turbai and told Paula "is
something happened at home, there is Amanda said she
found the door open, I wouldn't want ... And there was
blood, I would not want an accident had happened,
something, maybe Meredith, something's happened to him, if
He left ... ". I honestly didn't think of anything
tragic, I wanted to give myself an explanation
plausible or optimistic, so I said maybe
you have cut, became frightened, the Pharmacy was
close enough, will race in medicine done
put something, a bit, has asked for help, because if
Amanda said the door was open, maybe she didn't
pulled and she locked in fear. With
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Joan Garner, we concluded, "but yes, come on, we're not
quiet, don't think something happened, you
been an oversight perhaps don't know "if I'm not mistaken
Paola said: "maybe he came the cycle, then it went
under, and she forgot to lock the door. Right now
Amanda calls you back and see what he says, if not
If something happened we go, of course if not we are
calm down, let us try to understand first what happens. "
Question-before we go any further, when Amanda says ... She
He said earlier that he was returning, he was
going from Raffaele.
ANSWER – Yes, he said "I go by Raffaele, so I come back with him
to see what there is. "
QUESTION – Then what he understood her, that she was in
the House on Via della Pergola and that it would be conducted by
Raffaele?
ANSWER – Yes, I understood that she came home, that home
was open, that something was wrong, that he went up
in the bathroom so I believed that it was his
bathroom of his room, according to the Division of
his bathroom and that something was wrong, so in
reason for this was out, ranged from Raffaele for
returning home.
QUESTION – with him.
REPLY – with him.
PRESIDENT – excuse me, he also said that he had taken a shower
to the bathroom?
ANSWER – Yes, I think Yes, that's why I couldn't
really understand what I was talking because ...
PRESIDENT – and the bloodstains he views in
same bathroom where she had taken a shower?
ANSWER: Yes, so I said: you went, the door
open and you showered. Yes, I'd say I've
understood.
QUESTION – Feel so she ended the phone call commented
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with ...
REPLY-Yes, I commented with Paola and I sincerely
turbai.
QUESTION – there have been other calls?
ANSWER – Yes, I was getting worried and tried to call her
and I replied.
QUESTION – Always here?
ANSWER – a few minutes, 5 minutes, not even because you sincerely
I started to worry a lot, I called
Meredith and I answered the phone, sounded but not
I answered the phone, I tried both on that ...
Meredith had two telephone numbers, I tried both the
in English and Italian that number on the number if not
mistake number rang unanswered and the other does not
even rang, I tried, I tried, I said "Madonna".
PRESIDENT – Sorry that means not sounded, felt the
answering machine?
REPLY – was loose, that is was closed, when the phone is
off does not sound.
President-she makes the number ...
REPLY – but not ...
PRESIDENT – and don't hear anything?
ANSWER – No, the user is not currently accessible.
QUESTION – I'm sorry, return to the first call,
asked her to Amanda where he had spent the night?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – Then there are other calls?
ANSWER: Yes, I just tried to call to Amanda but not
I responded and I stirred some more.
QUESTION: what was, roughly speaking?
REPLY-it now starts to be very fast, say
in the sequence of my memories have all very
entrapment because I tested, I think at the end
with Amanda spoke about a two or three times, I tried to
call her back, she said, asked her what happened and
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I was hoping sincerely in a positive response that was
Okay, something like that, instead she told me that
in my room there was the broken window and it was all
for air and come home, that is, to go home and I
I said "call the police, call someone, I
now I'm at the fair, I take the car and come
right at home ".
QUESTION – and what answers Amanda in front of the invitation to
call the police ...
ANSWER – Yes Yes.
QUESTION – I do it?
ANSWER – Yes, I said yes, Yes.
QUESTION – here, in reference to his room all to
pillage, then was done in last or second
phone call?
ANSWER – Yes, not right away.
QUESTION – what time roughly, trying to place these ...
Although I understand.
ANSWER – it's all very fast, maybe even at 12 and
half don't know it's all very fast, I wasn't looking
the time between 12 and a quarter and the 12 and a half.
QUESTION – Then you spoke with Amanda, you said two or
three times, no, three times.
REPLY-Two or three times, no more than three, because I remember
I felt, between the first and the second call I felt
more than once to call and I replied, then I
replied ... The first phone call I a couple of
phone calls to empty, the second said.
PRESIDENT – Sorry vacuum vacuum chi, always ...
ANSWER – A gap that did not reply, it sounded but not
replied.
PRESIDENT – Meredith when he phones, before calling
Amanda?
REPLY – I tried to everybody.
PRESIDENT – Though he doesn't remember if the first one ...
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REPLY – I just tried before, just Amanda phoned me
I waited a little bit because I said "See a bit
What is it, check it out of the House and after
call me ". And so I waited a little, few
minute, I repeat I was worried so I
tried to call Amanda that I answered, I tried
Meredith, I tried again Amanda, Meredith, the third
phone call I think Amanda replied.
QUESTION – Has also called other people at that time,
those moments?
ANSWER – No, that's when I called just Meredith and
Amanda, I said even with Paola if that was the case of
call Laura but Paola rightly pointed out to me
"Wait till we see first what happened, without
We alert the world if there's no reason ".
QUESTION – but her boyfriend when he called?
ANSWER – my boyfriend called him when
Amanda told me that the window was broken because
description that, Amanda gave me, there's your
whole room upside down, the window is broken, there are
were the thieves, I from this I deduced that there
they were thieves, she told me there were
the thieves, I deduced I, also because going back to
What I had said before, the door opened, my
broken window, the whole room upside down I inferred
that there were thieves, there I got into
panic, because in fact in addition to concern itself
I also had valuable assets, I mean I was concerned, the
broken window, I very turbai.
QUESTION – Then so she telephoned Paola now
She, too, has made some calls?
ANSWER – Yes, closed the conversation with Amanda I
He said the window I called Marco and Paola called
Luke because I had the car of mark and since
We were in the area of Pian di Massiano where
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There was the fair return, which is on the outskirts of
Perugia, return to exiting traffic center
fair was aware that it would take time, more
time because I was going to get the car from
parking, go out, return to Center, it took me
time, so I called Marco to tell him "Marco please
hurry home, go see what happened, call
Carabinieri. Anyway's Amanda and help her ", i.e.
give her a hand. Although the police from a
the hand.
QUESTION – feel the Meredith of that model was?
REPLY – Nokia, I think, can't remember exactly.
QUESTION – the color?
REPLY – Grey.
Question – how was King?
REPLY – little guy because he entered in the pocket of the jeans.
QUESTION – and it was on page or like the others ...
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – A book or ...
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – was small, he entered ...
REPLY – Piccolino, Meredith used to hold your phone
with the number English always in the pocket of the trousers,
is an image that I have very clear.
QUESTION – but there was also another cell phone that ...
REPLY – Then Meredith had this number Englishman
He spoke often in England because mom wasn't
so good, however I had a number Omnitel in addition, a
and she was more comfortable than Vodafone card she had
also quite a few Italian because otherwise also to tell her
any thing we needed to make a phone call
Italy and then bounced in international
I gave the tab, I told her "looks to me this does not
need, without that you buy it, the charge for that
you need and keep it for as long as you want,
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so we call on the Italian number ".
QUESTION – Then matches from the area of Pian di Massiano and now
you arrive in Via della Pergola?
REPLY – it took quite a while, it took 20 minutes,
half hour, it took a lot, a lot compared
the first leg, not that we're talking about time
long, though ...
QUESTION – So roughly how much?
ANSWER – about twenty minutes.
QUESTION – So roughly ...
REPLY – roughly a quarter and will
When me and Paola arrived I found already Luke and mark,
Amanda and Raffaele and two police officers.
QUESTION – is safe arrival time or it can be
some?
ANSWER – Can be definitely ...
QUESTION – Then you are arrived, you have already found Luke and
Mark.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – but said they were there a long time?
ANSWER – No, they got there, they said "we are
arrived too recently.
PRESIDENT – told them this?
ANSWER – Yes, I asked Marco "Mark it is, when you're
arrived? " "Recently".
QUESTION – then there were said?
REPLY – Amanda and Raffaele and two agents?
REPLY – they qualified with her?
ANSWER – No, not right away, meaning there was no of
Police then I drew my own conclusions that were
arrived because they were called under
of the event there was because I saw Marco and asked him
"How?" asked "to your room is a disaster," also
He said "there were thieves."
QUESTION – how Amanda and Raffaele were dressed?
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REPLY – Raffaele had a vest with hood, mi
Apparently, olive green, a yellow scarf and jeans. Amanda
He had a thick wool socks, skirt, however,
a sweater, a jacket, I do not remember well above, I
I well remember the skirt.
QUESTION – and the window, she watched the window?
REPLY – I entered the House and my room overlooking
the living area, so immediately I entered the House,
I walked right into the room and saw the
route and blow.
QUESTION – blow in what sense?
REPLY – clothes, everything a mess, everything
ruffled, everything ...
QUESTION: you said that had left a blouse on
bed?
ANSWER – No, No, there was the disaster, there were clothes ...
QUESTION – on the floor?
ANSWER: Yes, all spread out, there was no closet,
on the desk a mess, everything was out of place.
QUESTION – there were glasses?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – looked at them well the glasses?
REPLY – Look immediately besides the fright I
I immediately went to check if there were things
valuable.
QUESTION – Yes, of course.
REPLY – so the first thing was to check that there
they had been the jewels and there were, and then I said
with Paola "at least that in it are taken", then
I tried the computer and expected from below, then
There were sunglasses, as are branded, and
were on the desk, brand handbags there were on the ground,
but there were, and then as I was very honest
I got home and already I was shaking and I was
really nervous as I calmed me saying "Oh God though
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It may not have had time to take anything, because
at least these things which are more valuable there are. "
Taking the computer I realized that by raising the
computer got up glasses, meaning that the glasses were
over things, IE was a mixed bag, and then then and there
There feces immediately case.
PRESIDENT – Sorry that means a mixture?
REPLY – Was a mixture of glass, clothes, glass ...
PRESIDENT – so they were also under the glass?
ANSWER – Yes, they were also below, but also were over.
PRESIDENT – Then a mixed bag in this sense.
ANSWER – Yes Yes.
QUESTION – So. ..
REPLY – were also above.
QUESTION – so the glasses were also over clothes, she says
also below, under and over, which means
they were also under ...
President-No, they're two different things, however remains the
registration and evaluation of replies is
available to everyone. I pray we can proceed.
QUESTION – these glasses were over clothes?
REPLY – I remember them very well over the bag of
computer because feces attention to pull it away because it was
completely covered with glass and in fact offhand there feces
for case, but then also talking to Marco we
commented saying "was a thief astonished beyond the
the fact that you have not taken anything glasses are also
over things "is a thief, but I then and there I was
still pretty upset, but I said "Okay,
the important thing is that now things are there, things most
There are important, but what you wrote you wrote,
though there are jewels, the computer is there, which are the
the most important things, then the rest we see, I do not know now
If I must warn just before Laura or the landlady
home to the broken window ".
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QUESTION – Listen now go with, responding plan – plan with
attention. Amanda and prompt they were doing? That is, you are
Here, of course they will have started all of them,
They spoke, they did ... Remember what they did Amanda
and prompt?
REPLY – also Attended them, i.e. they were neighbors.
QUESTION – what did they say I say too.
ANSWER – No, beginning as soon as I entered the House I
asked "what happened," look, then mostly
I was talking to mark, so no, at first ... Right
that is, I saw them close as close shapes, but if
speak, what they don't know.
PRESIDENT – excuse me when you say close, close together or
close to you, that is. ..
REPLY – Places especially among them, though they followed the
movements in the sense that I remember them always
inside the living room, were still
the comings and goings, IE I still went in and out
the room because I was thinking "Oh God
Let's see if there's ", so they were still ... Participated and
they were inside the House, but they were close.
QUESTION – look, the two cops, you have spoken to them,
did they say why they were there?
REPLY – I understood later why I gave
for granted their presence at home because I had said
"Call the police, call the police" and therefore not
There I did you. I remember that one of the two, the
higher if I'm not mistaken, even the highest, came and I
He said "excuse me, are you Filomena Romanelli?"
"Yes" "and recognizes these telephone numbers" and made me
see a slip of paper where the phone numbers,
one Italian and one English and I said "Yes, they
I recognize "because that number is headed to her,
where's your phone? "I asked," Oh, no no, this
number is registered to me, though I'm not using,
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I gave it to my roommate and this is also her
number English "and there I started to worry because
It seemed strange, that is, what does this person
to me, I couldn't understand why I was
asking for phone numbers and explained to me by telling me
they had been unearthed these two phones in one
House not far from the House on Via della Pergola,
that the owner of the garden in which they were
found he had called the police, I don't
remember if there was a bomb, what was the justification
for which the police went home of Mrs. I
Remember, though they went there, in Burgundy and in the garden
found these two numbers, obviously verified
membership and then headed Via della
Pergola. I said "look, I recognize these numbers,
especially the English number no doubt is
Meredith and the other is mine, but you are using this
girl, but I find it amazing that she has
with it, because this girl and especially by the number
English not parted ever ".
QUESTION – Ever.
REPLY – Ever.
QUESTION: you saw them these phones, these phones?
ANSWER – No, I remember the slip of paper where they were
written numbers.
QUESTION – then what happens after that ...
REPLY – I worried even more, I
worried even more because in my room there was a
disaster, glasses, blow, Amanda told me
the door was opened, then entered, I mean not
couldn't figure out what had happened, Meredith, I
I was realizing why I had not
answered before, because it no longer had the phone, then
honestly, my God, "I said then and there happened
something along the way, "I sincerely hope you
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could find inside, so I thought it was
somewhere down the street and I was getting worried as the
tracing this girl to go to help because
It is obvious that something happened, here the disaster,
This has no phones, where it is. And my fear is that
It was down the street and I couldn't go to help
and then I asked "Where is Meredith" "I don't know, the door is
closed ".
QUESTION: who told you this?
REPLY – I don't remember. I don't remember. The door is
closed. I did "fine, let's open this door, we open
This leads at least to understand, that it is impossible for
This girl is sleeping, it's impossible ".
PRESIDENT – who is telling her that the door is closed?
REPLY – I don't remember.
PRESIDENT – Ah, can't remember.
REPLY – I really don't remember.
QUESTION – Feel but when, there was at one point the
decision to break down the door.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – the two cops what did they say?
REPLY – I asked the COP and the COP got me
"I said I can't do that", "how can't do, I
I'm your hostess and I'm telling you I
Open the door "because it was locked" I don't
I can do ". I did: "Okay, all witnesses, Luca,
Marco open the door please. "
QUESTION – So before I go any further, someone had
tried to break down the door?
REPLY – I think Raffaele said she had tried
before opening the door.
QUESTION – Raffaele said?
ANSWER – Yes Yes Yes.
QUESTION – he said it just before you opened?
ANSWER – Yes, shortly before, he said, when it was not clear where
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Meredith was, if he was sleeping, if she was in the House, where
It was, however, said it was not clear if I'm not mistaken that the
door was locked, it was difficult at that point the
girl was really asleep and that he had tried to
enter but there was successful, and if I'm not mistaken he said
He had also tried from outside the BRA through
the roof or however he said that there had
Amanda, however that one of them had tried to
above, but I remember that he said that he had
I honestly tried to enter.
QUESTION – he told her he had tried to break through or to open?
ANSWER – to enter.
PRESIDENT – Look on this point, I'm sorry but the door before
There is the brick-busting action you saw if there was a
some sign?
ANSWER – No, I have not seen ...
PRESIDENT – Possible to reduce ...
REPLY – I have just approached the door.
PRESIDENT – did not see ... She approached?
REPLY – that much no, because then when I tell
Luca and Marco to get the door was the door, I think
that you know what is the perimeter of the House now,
the bathroom at the bottom, Meredith's room, Amanda's room
a little corridor, my room, when we head
towards the door to Meredith I remain pretty much ... If
She considers the door that is on the left side, I
I stay near the door that is not I pose in front of
the door itself, which fascinates a little sideways, so don't
I see honestly how ...
PRESIDENT – any sign on it. You are welcome.
QUESTION – I wanted to know before I go on another thing:
When she heard the door to Meredith was
closed, made some comments?
REPLY – Sincerely the concern was always more
urgent because this girl the door not
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lock.
QUESTION – but there is someone else who argued that instead
She kept her locked instead?
ANSWER: Yes, if I'm not mistaken was Amanda to say that ... Because
Maybe I asked a COP and how come the door
It was closed and I think that she enclosed and
I said, "No, not at all, I don't think
just that this girl shuts the door, mo... ", and
even more so I got worried and said "let's open this
door now to see what is there, because this
girl not found ".
PRESIDENT – sorry, but she heard Amanda say the door the
closed Meredith or is news that she learns
by others?
REPLY – I remember as well.
PRESIDENT – Because the policeman, she says, asks Amanda ...
ANSWER-calls, no calls to Amanda.
PRESIDENT-calls for the port.
ANSWER – Yes.
PRESIDENT – do you remember if Amanda ...
REPLY – I remember that she respond this way.
CHAIRMAN – replied in English or Italian;
Remember? You don't remember that? Or are you ...
ANSWER – In Italian if I'm not mistaken.
PRESIDENT – I replied in Italian and replied if he can say that?
REPLY – you shut the door? This is the phrase "You
He closed the door. "
PRESIDENT – but didn't close normally, on an exceptional basis?
ANSWER – No, she didn't close the door.
PRESIDENT-answered this?
ANSWER – Yes, more or less this.
PRESIDENT – In Italian?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – and she is of another, has a different opinion and
says "No, the door not closed."
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ANSWER – Yes, I'm in another opinion.
QUESTION – Then decide to break through?
ANSWER – Yes.
Question – how you stand, she anticipated ...
REPLY – I gave my left shoulder right jamb
the door, I was so, back against the wall, in front of me and
then in front of the door of the room of Meredith mi
memory of Luke and mark, near me was Paola,
my right, Joan Garner and if I'm not mistaken the two
cops, Amanda and Raffaele were then.
QUESTION – I.e. they were earlier?
ANSWER – in the hallway, then I remember Luke and mark
neighbors in front of the door, I give my shoulders on the
side where there is the door, Joan garner beside me and
Remember, if I'm not mistaken they were cops and Amanda
Raffaele or Raffaele and Amanda, I beheld
basically Luke and mark their location
clear to me, I remember it well.
QUESTION – listening a moment, she stood with their backs to the wall,
then he saw Luke and mark that stood in front of her?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – So she with the corner of my eye ...
REPLY – the corner of my eye that's right.
QUESTION – Then with the corner of her eye she saw the
cops and Amanda said?
REPLY – Raffaele and Amanda, Amanda and Raffaele, were close.
QUESTION – But how far will be ...
ANSWER – No, we were all neighbors. Though
Basically it was ...
QUESTION – to his right?
ANSWER: Yes, to my right, I won't say a separate group
because it would be a mistake, however, such as Luke and mark
Paola and I were very close, we were a lot closer, I
to them I remember them as a block basically,
i.e. police ... Their four a little more moved, though the
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corridor that is.
QUESTION – when, who was Luke or mark at ...
REPLY – Luca.
QUESTION – kicked the door, saw, could
notice and approached those who stood on her
right?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – were there, were stuck?
ANSWER – No, I didn't notice.
QUESTION – so you don't see them, but never saw them by
front of you?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – Then is kicked in the door?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – what happens at that point?
REPLY – I remember that Luke bleaching totally, Marco yells
"Blood" and I, in my turn, "blood", with tail
of the eye ...
QUESTION – the left eye.
REPLY – the left eye, this time, I look, I try to
look in it, I have a very fleeting image
of a duvet, a sock, but Marco takes me and tells me
“Via via via, sangue, sangue, sangue”, quindi tutti via.
DOMANDA – Marco questo?
RISPOSTA – Sì, Marco mi ha preso, mi ha detto “Via via via”.
DOMANDA – E Luca dove stava?
RISPOSTA – E Luca se n’è venuto pure lui perché…
DOMANDA – Ecco e gli altri, l’altro diciamo…
RISPOSTA – Appena Luca ha sfondato la porta io ricordo che è
sbiancato, ha gridato “Sangue, sangue” e mi ricordo che
Marco mi ha preso e mi ha detto “Vieni vieni vieni”.
DOMANDA – Cioè volevo sapere questo: Amanda e Raffaele hanno
dato un’occhiata?
RISPOSTA – Non ne ho proprio idea, non lo so.
DOMANDA – Cioè lei ha detto che stavano… Potevano vedere la
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stanza da dove stavano?
RISPOSTA – Se tornavano indietro sì.
DOMANDA – Se fossero passati davanti?
RISPOSTA – Sì, ma io non mi ricordo che sono…
DOMANDA – Ma li ha visti passare davanti?
RISPOSTA – No.
DOMANDA – Quindi poi voi dove siete andati?
RISPOSTA – Poi ci siamo spostati prima nel soggiorno e poi un
poliziotto ci portò proprio via.
PRESIDENTE – Quale dei due?
RISPOSTA – Quello più alto.
DOMANDA – Vi ha portato via?
RISPOSTA – Sì. E poi io gli ho detto “Ma che è successo, che è
successo”, gli chiesi a questo più alto e mi ha detto:
“È stato commesso un delitto, adesso chiamo la
Scientifica, chiamo i colleghi, non potete più entrare”.
DOMANDA – E poi lui dove è andato?
REPLY – I don't know.
QUESTION – the other where he was?
REPLY – I don't know.
QUESTION – Then you put outside in
pitch?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – Amanda and Raffaele were at that time, after
the discovery of the corpse, what were they doing?
REPLY – Gave the idea to give courage to each other.
Question-you attitude you had?
REPLY – I was shocked, I didn't understand right anymore,
I was terrified, Marco was terrified, Paola
She cried, I don't even remember who was Luke, but
Mark was shocked and Paula cried.
QUESTION – the two of them where they were, they were with others?
ANSWER – No, they were a bit more, sometimes approaching,
though they were a bit more, but honestly I
I was for example much more alone.
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QUESTION: you said before giving the idea to pluck up courage.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – what has defined?
REPLY – I remember Raphael the stroking.
QUESTION – and Amanda cried?
REPLY – I can't remember, no.
QUESTION – Raffaele?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – Then who came?
REPLY-then came a lot of people.
QUESTION – I wanted to know this now.
ANSWER – apart from the police reporters that I came
in the courtyard, Yes.
QUESTION – I wanted to know this: you have understood how it was
dead?
ANSWER – No. If I'm not mistaken, so since there were
journalists who were to come on come in and we didn't understand
because ...
QUESTION – But this later?
ANSWER – No, look at that ...
QUESTION – How Much ...
REPLY – it was a very short time from the moment the
COP I think that high called colleagues and has
called I think the ambulance, I don't know, I mean,
little I remember were cops, they came
those with the suits, it took not the hours, there will be
was Yes and no half an hour.
QUESTION – Was day yet?
ANSWER – Yes it was lunch time, in other words, it was ...
QUESTION – when I arrived, she says the journalists?
ANSWER – Yes, journalists are entered that I still had to
go to the police station, there was a nice gentleman
journalist with the camera that allowed him to enter
in the courtyard and I said to a police officer "I beg your pardon,
This so far is still my house get him out ".
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QUESTION – look, look at that moment you knew how it was
dead Meredith?
ANSWER – No, I don't remember if I said in the yard or
by car the COP a little higher, he told me that
There was a lot of blood.
QUESTION – told her only that?
ANSWER – there is a lot of blood, but that it also said Luke,
There is a lot of blood, there's blood everywhere.
QUESTION – there's blood in the room or in the ...
REPLY – blood everywhere.
QUESTION – you guys went to the police station?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – and there I wanted to know this, the behavior of
Amanda and prompt as it was?
REPLY-then I had a three hour summary information
so for three hours I didn't see them and what more or
less than they did before, in the sense that they were very close
between them, they loved each other, they were caressing,
courage, they spoke among themselves, they were however
much to each other. I remember well that I then
clearly I called Laura, I called a few people,
Even neighbors warned them and told Laura that
came with a few hours of delay, that is after, in
afternoon, I remember that at some point while
We were at police headquarters, Raphael was kind towards
Laura that lent him the jacket, but mostly he was
always, always with Amanda.
QUESTION – saw them, aside from talking to each other, but
They spoke aloud or whispering?
REPLY – normal and in a low voice.
QUESTION – they exchanged written?
REPLY – I remember that Amanda had a bag very
roomy and there was a notebook, like computing,
Pocket-Book big A4 and wrote there something, I remember
What kind did see Raphael, but I'm not taken
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vision of what was written.
QUESTION – and Raffaele who made?
ANSWER – he read it.
QUESTION – I used?
ANSWER – Yes, Mr.
QUESTION – he told her something or ... Told her something or ...
REPLY – I don't know if he commented softly, it seems to me something
with ...
QUESTION – has given her, she did read the Clipboard,
He has read them and then they have given back?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – Commenting softly she said?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – Listen ...
PRESIDENT – remember these notes, they were only on a
sheet, turned the sheet?
REPLY – Was a notebook.
President-but it turned, he leafed through the pages, or was
just a front, she saw Raffaele Sollecito ...
ANSWER – Yes, it's been so ...
PRESIDENT – Then on leaf?
REPLY – Just past Yes.
PRESIDENT – has peeled, only on the front of this
notebook?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – Feel you remember if he heard the words
by Amanda at police headquarters?
REPLY-then while we were in the waiting room we say
the building of the police headquarters, meanwhile, was another
people because as though they started, i.e.
suddenly practically searches and they asked us
various phone numbers, phone numbers of neighbors
Meredith, girlfriends, practically started
the survey and alternated in the Hall
waiting at the police headquarters also the friends of Meredith,
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I though I had met one just recently and
When he was really upset.
QUESTION: who was this girl?
REPLY – Ann, Rosy, the name I don't remember, was a name
piccolino.
QUESTION – Frost perhaps?
ANSWER – a thing I remember were four or
five letters, was a very short name.
QUESTION – Senta and this girl was crying?
ANSWER – Yes, very much so.
QUESTION – Amanda and Raffaele were crying?
REPLY – Raffaele, Raffaele ... I do not have
Since he had never had confidence with Meredith, no.
QUESTION – And Amanda?
REPLY – it seems to me that ... More than cry was moved in the sense
that a little bit, there was a principle of a crying, though
No, it was always very serene.
PRESIDENT – sorry, could you say the principle of a weeping ...
REPLY – I had shiny eyes and dark circles ...
PRESIDENT – she was crying?
ANSWER – Yes, Marco Yes, Yes, I guess not, Paola Luca
Raffaele and Amanda basically I would say no, I
seen just a moment have some subsidence though
then he managed to always have a certain demeanor.
PRESIDENT – This failure as it manifested?
ANSWER – When one starts to cry and then stops,
that is how I explain? Recoils a bit, cry a
little, however, is not a rash liberating, it is not a cry to
pouring rain.
PRESIDENT – a hiccup?
ANSWER – Yes, a little.
QUESTION-he spoke with friends of Meredith?
ANSWER – Yes it is.
QUESTION – Then spoke to each other?
REPLY – certainly more than me, because at that time
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just ...
QUESTION – Look before you go any further I wanted to know this:
do you remember if there was when she got a washing machine
in operation?
ANSWER – No, the washer ... That is, I can redo it right the
question I'm sorry, what do you mean, if when we arrived,
We took the House for rental or if that morning?
QUESTION – No, that morning, if there were no shoes?
ANSWER – Yes it was charging.
QUESTION-he recognized them?
REPLY – Next to the police station asked me to
recognize the role that were within the
washing machine and recognized him as if I'm not mistaken as
Meredith.
QUESTION – All of Meredith.
REPLY – the good part Yes.
QUESTION – Feel so what remained at police headquarters?
REPLY – I walked around 14.00, 15.00, perhaps
between 14.00 and 15.00 and I left at 6 of
morning.
QUESTION – I wanted about this fact of cloths, if not
mistake, I think the minutes dated 7 November 2007 she
says he doesn't remember if Meredith or
Amanda.
ANSWER – there were some cloths that I didn't discern.
QUESTION – Ah, here.
REPLY – most were Meredith, I remember
I did see the police station as well as other shoes I have
said "this is not ...", like some towels, mi
Remember, but I didn't mean to belong,
shirts was simpler.
QUESTION – feel the last time you spoke to Amanda
When was that?
REPLY – I talked on the phone, it was evening, but I can't tell you
exactly on the day I don't remember, I remember
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It was evening, I had been to the police station, I was back home
by Marco, we had to prepare to eat or had already
ate, I heard a call from Amanda ...
QUESTION – I'm sorry, but this how many days later?
ANSWER – a few, very few. This was sooner than later ...,
before being ...
QUESTION – to be arrested.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – and what did Amanda?
REPLY – perhaps even the same evening look.
QUESTION – what did?
PRESIDENT – what day it was, on Sunday when the spoke
the last time, though it was a public holiday?
REPLY – I think it was just the night before
the day she was arrested, that then came
arrested.
QUESTION – he told her where he was?
ANSWER – No, we talked about the fact that he had to come his
mom, had called her mum and said "look
Filomena see that probably is my mum,
I explained what happened and decided to come,
do you want to know my mom? "I did" I
goes, I figured, no problem, in fact I'm sorry
It is on this occasion "and he said," But we do
us and that House, what happens next with the House? "I
did "Amanda I don't know now what happens with
the House, we will see now "go back" to live together? "I
done "look, I don't know, we don't forgive me, Amanda
I know ".
QUESTION – but I urge the spoke? He remembers well, if not
I have to ...
ANSWER – No, I don't remember. I remember mother's day.
QUESTION – not told her to lie to the police?
REPLY-Oh, I think he said it was the police station
because it had been invoked or she or Raphael, however
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they were both in headquarters and in fact I was astonished, I
did "you're still the police station?" "Oh yes I am
even the police station, "I did" See Amanda tries to
have a lot of patience, those are merely
trying to do their job, you explain well how
What did you get, when you came "because in effect
was not very clear, it was unclear even to me
still, I said "Explain this well, that definitely
their ... ".
PRESIDENT – Sorry because it was unclear because she in
phone call that was returned to the 10 ...
ANSWER: Yes, but ... Excuse me Mr. President. Yes
identification, she hears a person who says the door is
Open, within inside the House, there's blood, I
shower and go out. I don't know about you, but I don't think so
normal really, was this the quid on which we didn't understand
as she did, that is why you walked and you
took a shower if door is open?
QUESTION – Feel her, sorry, this in order to stress the
page 64 of 3 December 2007, verbal memory
transcript, she consults her notes, Romanelli:
"I describe what I said. Said Filomena watch
I am still in police headquarters and told her: you are still in
Police Station Amanda? What are you still doing in Headquarters? "
No, I accompanied Raffaele has been invoked, not
I wanted to leave alone, and then I came with
him. "
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – you confirm?
REPLY – I Confirm.
QUESTION – I've finished.
PRESIDENT – the plaintiff if there are questions.
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – For now, President
Thank you.
PRESIDENT – the defence of the accused, who first takes
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take our word, please.
DEFENCE – OPP. BONGIORNO
QUESTION – I wanted to get back on some details. Then in
particularly wanted to know this, returning to
morning of 2, you have already described
detailed enough time for the breakthrough
the door, according to his reconstruction precisely then
you all went out precipitously, Battistelli namely
the highest policeman, said that there had been a
crime.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – do you know what elements had come to
These conclusions?
REPLY – Look I don't remember, I said that there was very
blood, I remember well the phrase "there is a lot of blood" and
I don't remember if I said in the backyard or in the
car as was the Battistelli to accompany me in
The police station, I went in the car with him. Sincerely
I don't remember if I said in the backyard or in
machine, though he said, "there is a lot of blood," murder me
He said it almost immediately.
QUESTION – I explain it well, this interests me. The
crime when did he tell you?
REPLY – Then as I explained a moment ago when
He was bashed in the door I was accompanied by.
QUESTION – So Clear.
ANSWER – Right of the corner of my eye I remember the duvet and
sounds like a sock.
QUESTION – Only the duvet.
REPLY – Then obviously straight away with Marco and Luca
I had seen them in awe "what did you see?"
"Blood, blood everywhere, blood everywhere" and
so it seems to me that the policeman went back to
Figure out what kind, though I was, I don't know if I was in
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living room or in the yard, perhaps I was already in the courtyard
because I was with Marco.
QUESTION – I remember her in the interrogation that has
delivered on 23 November 2007 and then repeats
in cross-examination which is in the form of transcript
filed on 7 January 2008, time will tell. The 3
December she actually says that the Battistelli and maybe
the other policeman entered the room.
REPLY – Look honestly I confirm ...
QUESTION – "we have distanced ourselves from the terrified cries and is
and maybe the other policeman entered the Battistelli
was with him, I'm not sure. "
REPLY – I confirm exactly that.
QUESTION – Then she remembers that entered Battistelli, as
was inside?
REPLY – I couldn't tell, frankly in my memory
It's all very fast, so. ..
QUESTION – in fact is an effort of memory, then after it has
entered told her that there was a crime?
ANSWER – Excuse Me. ..
QUESTION: you recently said that at some the Battistelli
He said there has been a crime.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – when she told you?
REPLY-that is there for there straight away.
QUESTION – I don't care look at only the sequence, you run away
Street, Battistelli enters, then comes out and says there is
been a crime?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – I was only interested in this sequence.
PRESIDENT – you keep looking at the microphone.
ANSWER – Yes, I apologize.
QUESTION – the Court is more important than us.
PRESIDENT – No, but to facilitate ...
QUESTION – because maybe ...
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ANSWER – No, but also because, when I try to remember
Anyway I need a minute to do local mind.
PRESIDENT – even for the questions that then subsequently
should be carried out by his left did not turn around
always watching because it allows us to better
listening.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – just to complete this, always looking at the
President, the other COP stays that
He doesn't know whether entered or not?
ANSWER – No, No, I don't know.
QUESTION – agree. About Raffaele and Amanda wanted
ask her: the kind of relationship they had, Raphael and
Amanda even though she obviously could monitor
only within this week, so a lasso
relatively short time, it was a relationship that
wore them as being very close?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – Has noticed this?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – I describes some face in particular that she
Remember?
REPLY – I remember an incident that took place in the
House in which there was also Laura, was more or less the fear
lunch, lunch time where Amanda told us that
Raffaele she liked so much and felt guilty though
even the boyfriend she had in America and on the merits
Laura I think gave her some advice, spoke to
Raphael that was very thoughtful and
effects of twice, those very few times
I saw Raffaele has always been very – very
friendly, very affectionate towards Amanda.
QUESTION – to materialise into real facts this closeness
between the two, she remembers saying that was attached
physically in the sense that maybe got up from the table
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for ...
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – tell me about this episode.
REPLY – made the case right the first time I
see, I was struck by this thing that was really hard,
He followed his own, was thoughtful just because that 26
October were preparing lunch and he was very kind,
that is followed by step-step, let me give you a hand.
QUESTION – She got up from the table to remove the dishes and he
following her?
ANSWER – Yes Yes.
QUESTION – she was playing the guitar and he followed her?
ANSWER – he followed her Yes.
QUESTION – so it was consistent this physical proximity?
ANSWER – Yes it was constant.
QUESTION – Thanks. Already described, and then we will be fast
on the problem Windows blinds.
ANSWER – excuse me, in my room?
QUESTION – in her room, she said at the end of the day
He would like, through the Agency, they were a bit
repaired these fixtures.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – for frames we mean the structure that holds the
glasses or just the shutters so there are no misunderstandings?
REPLY – I would have liked that I changed the
window, and the window frames, those, fixtures
indoor and outdoor shutters, I would have liked to or
they changed the entire window frame or the
bars, as was Laura's room.
QUESTION – can like, but we care about the conditions
which was?
REPLY – was worn, old, was an old Puffy,
then ...
QUESTION – but there was difficulty to close it?
ANSWER – Yes.
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QUESTION – there was difficulty to close the blinds and the
fixtures?
ANSWER – no shutters, window frames, Yes.
PRESIDENT – Sorry you said before bars because?
ANSWER – because the room of Laura Mezzetti had bars
external.
PRESIDENT – Laura Mezzetti window?
ANSWER: Yes, I would have liked ...
PRESIDENT – Only that window?
ANSWER – Yes, only that window.
PRESIDENT – and she would have liked. Pardon Attorney.
QUESTION – Please. One more thing, about, we were
Speaking precisely, I was interested in the window than the
which it was found broken glass, I of that
I speak, what were the conditions of this window?
REPLY – Then the frame inside there was the left side
you put first and then concluded with the
right, there was a kind of hook. The right operand,
then the one with the hook was more open and that
sinister was, I'm not saying ajar, was more closed
compared to the right side.
QUESTION – This fixture was a fixture, it was what
We talked until now that was old and decayed?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – and it was hard to quit?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – Though once grappled and remained
engaged or you could open as much as it was old,
What was the problem with this fixture?
REPLY – it was old.
QUESTION – Yes, I may have a very old fixture though a
time the hook is nice ...
REPLY – I wasn't sure.
QUESTION – I wasn't sure what do you mean, here is if you tell us ... She
says ...
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REPLY – behold, I explain, gave me just that sense of
safety not because it gave me the idea that enough
very little, sometimes thought the wind
would have been able to open that window so I
gave her a sense of security, he was not handsome, durable
Once lowered the hook then it would
locked, did not give me this idea so I
liked.
QUESTION – Thanks. Look in the morning always on day 2
Initially you said you thought this theft, you
remember if the Battistelli told her that she would have
had to make even a complaint for theft?
REPLY – I think so, he told me to ... Anyway to check
If in my room there were things for
possibly could do, file a complaint for
things that were missing.
QUESTION – The Battistelli told her "Ma'am take it easy, you
evident that there is someone and must make the complaint ". But
Instead the Battistelli told her that he didn't think
There had been no theft there and that was a
simulation?
ANSWER – No, I mean we walked hand in hand.
QUESTION – so initially he thought ...
ANSWER – Yes Yes.
QUESTION – I get it.
ANSWER – we got there as for the simple
the fact that as I did not realize that my
objects were all there, in great disorder but there were
everyone.
QUESTION – one more thing: she has come to this
room, I understand, obviously upset because they
were their own, all objects in
ransacked, said was a mixture of glass, glass
under and glasses on, she touched all over, he had the opportunity
make sure these glasses under and glasses on, as
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We can describe in detail these glasses where
were they?
REPLY-then I remember that under the window there was good
part of my clothes and my belongings,
piled all over, on top of one another, a great deal of
confusion, there was a lot of stuff on and I
I recall that on top there were glasses, kids.
I remember lots of glass, above the computer bag
and then everything else on the ground.
QUESTION – there were no Windows on the ground and above ... Above we have
realized that there were these glasses, clothes, under the
clothes there were glasses?
ANSWER: Yes, since on 18 December 2007 there were
returned some belongings, on some clothes
I still found myself of glasses.
QUESTION – I was interested in a particular obviously not if you
could find out, just to clarify, we
were any glasses on some clothes, she did that
satisfied or not?
REPLY – I remember the glasses over clothes, I didn't
an investigation, i.e. just aren't given to touch them all
How many and to move them, that is not. However I remember well
just to the right of the pile that was on the ground there were
glasses, many on the computer bag that unless
mistake instead was on the left side of this great
pile and many other glass on the ground, the strangeness
was that the glasses could not stand above the pile
high, i.e. they had to be more than anything on the ground.
QUESTION – When she spoke to mix what you meant?
REPLY – mixture of clothes, blankets, bags, glasses, was
all together, it was all very messy and all
very ... It was a bunch of my stuff.
QUESTION – Feel when they see the two issues of
phone, then demanded explanation, I wanted to know
This package in which they were written the numbers, it was a
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big sheet, small?
ANSWER – No, little one.
QUESTION – Post-it?
ANSWER – type post it now I can't tell you if it was a post-it
or a slip normal, i.e. or post-it notes or notepads,
in other words, it was tiny, rectangular.
QUESTION – were written by hand or beaten to the computer?
ANSWER – by hand.
QUESTION – know if was with identical handwriting, he noticed ...
REPLY – they seemed the same, that is written by the same hand.
QUESTION – The proposed for two telephone numbers?
ANSWER – Yes, right away.
QUESTION – I told her one and then another?
REPLY – they said, these two numbers. "They were
found two phones, one English and the other we
Since it is made out to you, explain to us why these
telephones are located at Miss ".
QUESTION – Then there was talk of two phones?
ANSWER – Yes.
PRESIDENT – excuse me when they say were found these two
phones, which means? I.e. phones or numbers?
REPLY – these phones in a broad sense, in other words, these numbers ...
PRESIDENT – but she saw the phones? Saw only the
numbers.
ANSWER – No, I haven't seen them, I've only seen the numbers.
Improperly I say phones but ...
PRESIDENT – just to clarify.
QUESTION – When Raphael said he had tried to see
what had happened in the room of Meredith said it was
turns out, explain to me well, as you might see
to describe the House because maybe not everybody
they know.
REPLY – the House has an "L" shape, that is, precisely the area
the House has the shape of an "L", meaning the part of the "L"
shorter, say the skinny end L-short
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He went where there were the living room of Laura, the
Laura and I shared bathroom and my room from
bed. The long part of this "L" included the
corridor that ended with a bathroom and then there were the
the left side of the room of Meredith's room.
Amanda, while on the right side there was a balcony where
We kept the clothes horse, there a a small terrace facing the
Panorama of the Valley. Close, before opening the
Meredith's room but we were now standing there next to
do it, I remember that Raffaele said they
tried, I can not remember him or if he just Amanda
to open was Meredith's door even through the
balcony because the roof is low so I don't know if
do you understand me well. Being the low roof upon entering
in the balcony, it was enough just to get on the rooftop, it was enough to
very little and I remember Raphael who said that
they had tried to go, now I can't remember if he or
Amanda, also from the roof to see if the window
Meredith's room, that is, if it were possible from
roof access the Meredith and I remember
that said ... Though there were managed, though they had
did this attempt.
President-you who knows the House would have been possible
from that roof in?
REPLY – climb to the roof definitely Yes, step into the
room, i.e. the window would have been still more
difficult, it would take a person anyway,
It would have been risky, now ...
QUESTION – Thanks.
DEFENCE – OPP. Maori
QUESTION: you told us, from the questions that made the
Prosecutor explained exactly how many
There were phone calls, which are between
She and Amanda in that while while she was with
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her friend in the parking lot (off microphone). With
exactly how many calls have been?
REPLY – the exact number?
QUESTION – Yes.
REPLY – some calls that I made to Amanda.
QUESTION – who received it did?
REPLY – One I received from him, the more I
I made two ... Two sure were namely answers though
I made many.
QUESTION – there are three, from which (out bass tab
microphone).
ANSWER – to me seemed a lot more.
QUESTION-three phone calls. During our last phone call there
can you explain what was the content of the interview
you have done?
REPLY – I remember ... Then in the second phone call I
He said there was my broken window, in the third
phone call I remember maybe said he called
Carabinieri, which however was returning ...
QUESTION – (off microphone).
PRESIDENT – was returning?
REPLY – That was returning in Via della Pergola, because
in the first phone call when she called me Amanda
probably told me: I came home, the
door open, blood, shower, I went out, I go to
Raffaele, I'll call you soon. Never called me back, I
called me. In the second call I can't remember if it
She told me she was with Raffaele or less, in the third
phone call was already with Raffaele, namely felt the name
Raffaele, I remember that he said "Yes, now with Raffaele
call, come on. "
PRESIDENT – Then the police?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – actually the first phone call he said Amanda, and
This is apparent from the minutes of the meeting of 3 December 2007 where she
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said and I quote "I called Amanda to have
News and she told me (off microphone) Raphael
and that (off microphone) the House "this ...
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – we speak now of the last call.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – Who was she to tell Amanda "calls
Carabinieri "?
REPLY – I told him a lot of time, calls to
Carabinieri, call the police.
QUESTION: you said call the police or call the cops?
REPLY – both of them.
QUESTION – the first version that said?
REPLY – call the police.
QUESTION – and Amanda what did ...
REPLY – I also told firefighters to call everything.
PRESIDENT – and Amanda what she replied the lawyer asks,
If you can remember?
ANSWER: Yes, I remember Amanda and said "Yes Yes, va
well ".
QUESTION – wanted to ask the question that has done before
the lawyer Bongiorno in relation to the window
his room in the evenings ... She remembers how he left the
window on the evening of the day ...
REPLY – I remember that the window was closed.
Question – how he left her, though it was closed, if affixed
of the shutters?
REPLY – I remember that the window was closed.
QUESTION – Then in the minutes of the December 3 2007 (Outside
microphone) exactly, I. ..
ANSWER: Yes, I remember that I closed the window.
PRESIDENT – Sorry when she closed the window
means the frame where there is glass and the
shutter, says it all together, or ...
REPLY – the shutter I locked and. ..
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PRESIDENT – Hooked?
REPLY – The shutter product Yes was closed securely.
PRESIDENT – and the glass?
REPLY – I can't remember if I left him a little glass
leaning, but I think we're through.
PRESIDENT – Please Lawyer.
QUESTION – then instead in the minutes of the December 3, on page
24 she says he closed the Windows, you
pulled the blinds without sticking them, have closed
only the dark right and not left too
because (off microphone) do you remember this?
REPLY – I can sincerely, since that report was
done in the immediacy of the facts I can confirm
that because it was cooler as a souvenir.
QUESTION – exactly what I wanted you to forget
for the past of course, so the blinds
had been put together without fasten. She remembers
as she was dressed on the day November 1 Amanda?
REPLY – Amanda I remember that was in
living room – cousin sitting down to breakfast had a
I didn't see the above Hoodie underneath, was sitting.
QUESTION – A striped Sweatshirt?
ANSWER – Yes, black and white.
QUESTION: you said in the minutes something different.
Remember if this was recovered from the cops
(off microphone).
REPLY – was found later.
QUESTION – was shown by someone?
REPLY – I was shown to the police if I'm not mistaken. Yes, yes.
QUESTION – by who?
ANSWER – on the part of the police, they asked me to
recognize it as Amanda's sweatshirt.
QUESTION – and it was Sweatshirt that had been worn by Amanda ...
REPLY – that day, the 1.
QUESTION – Well, let's move on to another point, before the
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Prosecutor had, showed a
photocopy of a photograph that you recognized as
a knife.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION-a knife (off microphone) and said that
This knife doesn't know, are his words, she wasn't sure
whether or not it was supplied to your home,
How can you exclude it categorically, you are
remember all the knives?
ANSWER – No, I remember all the knives of use
daily Yes.
PRESIDENT – We're talking about this knife before
rammostrato to the heads.
QUESTION – I can admit it because having done an inspection
inside the House ...
ANSWER – there were plenty of cutlery.
QUESTION – there were plenty of cutlery, not only the famous cutlery
light blue or blue as she ...
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – But many others who were placed in the drawer
of ...
ANSWER – In one of the drawers in the kitchen.
PRESIDENT – the question lawyer?
QUESTION – at this point how can you exclude in a
categorical that that wasn't a knife at least ...
REPLY – it was certainly not a knife than those who
We used daily because those that we used
We kept them on a daily basis at your fingertips.
QUESTION – all right, but you cannot exclude ...
PRESIDENT – excuse me, we're the answers Lawyer heads.
QUESTION – (off microphone).
ANSWER – should I take?
QUESTION – Yes.
REPLY – Look I'm not a great housewife, a large
housewife, but I remember well the knives that we used
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daily because we kept them on hand,
one part was in a top drawer, another part
He was in the cutlery basket near the sink and we used
However almost always one, great cutting well and
It was my property, I had bought myself and
It was what we used more often, say the
category of knives larger than those for
eating. This I do not know how to knife, already
I said at the time in the minutes to the police station, I do not
I remember absolutely as knife in the House
We used daily, for neither Cook nor for
cut.
PRESIDENT – Though there were other knives that ...
ANSWER: Yes, there were other knives.
PRESIDENT – who may not used on a daily basis.
ANSWER: Yes, there were other knives but I don't remember
This knife even among those we had saved up
part, because basically we set aside the
the ugliest cutlery.
PRESIDENT – by that means, i.e. where you kept?
REPLY – if I'm not mistaken in the bottom drawer of the kitchen,
If I'm not mistaken.
PRESIDENT – Please Lawyer.
QUESTION – Then finally on the point she can't
exclude materially the knife ...
REPLY – even then I tell you, by the way.
QUESTION – let me finish, that a knife like that (outside
microphone) which could be included
to housing.
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Maresca-Sorry there is no opposition, said
exactly Mario.
PRESIDENT – please, Lawyer, seems almost to a
interpretation of the response of the heads, but
We here. You can exclude that this knife ...
ANSWER – Yes, I can exclude, I'm saying that is not a
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knife than those we used daily or
I can't even remember how we had knife
removed from ...
PRESIDENT – this is the answer lawyer, then will undergo
of evaluation.
QUESTION – these famous knives and cutlery (outside
microphone), how many times you've seen?
REPLY – I washed all the first time I entered
in the House, because when we entered the House me and Laura
We cleaned the entire House, so we cleaned
even the cutlery that we have that out of the way.
Question-When was this?
REPLY – the end of August.
QUESTION – of the year?
REPLY – 2007.
QUESTION – and then?
REPLY – Then I opened another drawer
few times because maybe looking for kitchenware
to see and there was something that I could be useful,
not warmed up. A few times I remember
I was looking for a tool, I found him not.
QUESTION – we return to the question I asked the lawyer
Bongiorno in connection with a conversation between her and
Amanda on day 30 October, you talked about ...
REPLY – With Amanda on October 30.
QUESTION – there was a conversation with Amanda on 30
October?
REPLY – I think so, I don't ...
QUESTION – The subject of the conversation was about say
so to friendly matches, the fact that it could
or may not be in distress, worried ...
REPLY – for her boyfriend, Yes, I forgot it was on 30
I beg your pardon.
QUESTION – (off microphone) had these meetings, what do you
you said where you were?
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REPLY – I remember we were in the living room – kitchen,
I remember there was also Laura and can't remember how to
He entered the speech ...
QUESTION – Sorry, just to put it in time, you had
had lunch?
REPLY – Lunched recently, me and Laura I think we
finished eating.
QUESTION – You once you start lunch?
REPLY – one and a half, a quarter to two, even Let's say
Beautiful time.
QUESTION – you had just finished ..., I am not (off
microphone).
ANSWER – a quarter to two, two less than twenty.
QUESTION – and ends what time beautiful?
ANSWER – about two o'clock, i.e. usually had lunch me and Laura
right ..., was the so-called lunch Beautiful.
QUESTION – Then after that you were talking about ...
ANSWER: Yes, but maybe a little bit after finished eating,
It seems to me ... I think maybe we had already washed dishes.
QUESTION – Collochiamolo ...
REPLY – Two and a quarter, two and twenty, after beautiful.
QUESTION – Then (off microphone).
REPLY – like I said I don't remember how we entered the
about the speech, I don't remember, I remember
There was Amanda and Raffaele, who spoke near the kitchen
It was very cool, very sweet, she liked, but it
felt guilty against Dj anyway because
they had another type of bonding, more serious, this was
Let's say newer, though if I'm not mistaken Dj was a
different continent, Japan, China, no no, its not even
in America.
QUESTION – and this conversation then how long?
REPLY – I don't remember.
QUESTION – Then you been anyway ...
ANSWER – No, then we go to ... At most it is
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closed until 3:30, because then we are due
return to work.
QUESTION – I get it. There was Raffaele?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – do not even come then?
REPLY – I don't remember.
QUESTION: you don't remember who came Raffaele?
REPLY – I don't remember.
QUESTION – answered the question, but I want to
Redo, I propose again, know Rudy
Guede?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – you've never seen him?
ANSWER – No, I saw it from the newspapers.
QUESTION – I get it. And therefore may not know of course if
attending home Rudy Guede?
RESPONSE-of course not.
Question: all right. Another point I wanted to clarify, she
When he answered questions of the Prosecutor
He spoke of the moment she arrived in the home
Via la Pergola on 2 November.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION: who has seen, can repeat who saw it first?
REPLY – I arrived at home ... On 2 November arrived at Via
della Pergola I saw Luke, mark, the two policemen,
Amanda and Raffaele, first I don't remember, for me
hold in your photography all together in the yard, among
the courtyard and entrance, now where I fell before
the eye do not remember it, probably mark.
QUESTION – Then she also spoke of a machine of
Police?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – of a police car, was a machine ...
ANSWER – there was a stranger, I saw these guys
you are, there was a machine that was not ...
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QUESTION – he knew that it was a police car
later?
ANSWER – Yes.
PRESIDENT – excuse me, what was this machine, I can
describe, what color was it?
REPLY – Dark Grey.
PRESIDENT – but not militarized?
ANSWER – No, No, it was dark.
QUESTION – The question is this: she just got saw
This car, thought it was a car of
Police?
ANSWER – No I just got here I spoke with Marco "That is
successful? "asked:" look in your bedroom is a
"it seems to me that it was he who told me that they were the
cops, however ... Yes, it seems to me that it was he who I
He said they were policemen.
PRESIDENT – I learned from this is not the car for
self?
ANSWER – No, I deduced after it had the car their
because it wasn't anybody's car.
PRESIDENT – Please Lawyer.
QUESTION – one more thing, you spoke about the consumption of
Amanda and Raffaele, occasional drug knows whether the
guys downstairs were amazing and if so
What kind of amazing?
ANSWER: I think the same kind of drugs, smoking,
hashish.
QUESTION: you used it with them?
REPLY – I tell the truth, I have sinned once. I have
Too bad.
QUESTION – we are all sinners.
REPLY – I have sinned.
PRESIDENT – so I did once use?
ANSWER – Yes.
PRESIDENT – Please Lawyer.
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QUESTION – all right thanks. She first spoke, when
where is the entrance to his room, he saw that had been
moved a lot.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – also spoke of the computer.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – the computer had been moved?
ANSWER – Yes, and moreover had been banged because there is
took about a year to try and recover the data and
bring it back to full operation.
QUESTION – do you mean Slammed?
REPLY – Slammed that the hard drive had burned, this I
They said about 5 engineers that I consulted for
try to fix it.
QUESTION – But slammed because it was ...
REPLY – they told me the harddrive is burned and the
links, now the technical name I don't remember, you
are burned because it is obvious that received a
suddenly, I was told that jargon is called a
flick, i.e. the shot did go in short everything
the harddrive.
PRESIDENT – Her where he had left the computer?
REPLY – was close to the bed.
PRESIDENT – up or down?
ANSWER – No, was standing down, being that it was in
a rounded, reinforced this beautiful bag bag
computer I leaning on the bed, the wardrobe.
PRESIDENT – so it was already ...
QUESTION – and compared with broken glass that she saw, the
computer where you were?
REPLY – I think the left side, the left side.
QUESTION – Was far from broken glass?
ANSWER – No, it was in the chaos of the heap, the heap
and he put him on the left, such as in the pile
He put a blanket on the right.
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QUESTION – there were other objects moved?
ANSWER – my closet was almost completely emptied.
QUESTION – it seems to me the camera.
REPLY – I don't remember if it was on the nightstand or on the
Desk, everything shifted.
QUESTION – This in reference to the fact that she came back to
resume these items, he found these
objects moved?
ANSWER – Yes, the bag was on the ground ...
QUESTION – Do local mind when she arrives the
2 November and these objects (off microphone) and then
Returns 19 of December seems to ...
REPLY – 18.
QUESTION-18 December to resume the same.
REPLY – I am not entered the House on December 18,
were police men who were giving me, I
gave new things.
QUESTION – all right thanks.
DEFENCE – OPP. THE WIDOW
QUESTION – Carlo Dalla Vedova Knox defence in cross examination
on all issues as soon as she reported. I would like to
begin right from the latter, from the computer, what
the learned that the computer had this damage?
REPLY – So therefore when they told us to go away, that
We should have gone to the police station I wanted to get
at least the computer because I was working on it.
QUESTION – what day are we talking about?
REPLY – 2, I worked then in computer memory
There were many acts, do I practice in a law firm,
so many acts that I had made, schematics, there was
thesis, there were all the documents that still I
interested and wanted to take it off the computer and
then I took it I think Marco's car
Zahrani. But once we got to the police station in
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I don't know, I don't remember now how he jumped out the fact that
my computer was in the car of mark, though
When the police saw it told me that I had to
leave absolutely there and that I could
take. I think it was already evening when I
I delivered, we tried to open the computer, not to turn it on
and the technician said police headquarters ...
QUESTION – are you talking about the evening of 2?
ANSWER: Yes, I had already taken the computer in
car of mark while we were at police headquarters was
out that I had taken away the computer and told me that
I couldn't do it, that the computer was impounded
How was impounded all the rest of the House and
so I had to leave the computer delivery
I was returned on December 18 along with other
personal effects.
QUESTION – has had a writ of attachment on this object,
When you say seizure, was verbalized?
REPLY – I have face several instances of release, then
I suppose there is its writ of attachment.
QUESTION – but she has been notified?
REPLY – How?
QUESTION – was served with a writ of attachment?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – Feel just a clarification, you mentioned that
immediately open the door you all come out?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – and then she took the computer
and put it in the car?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – So therefore she came back home?
REPLY – I think the computer I had it taken away ... No, the
computer I took it away before going the police, Yes,
I came back ... Because I felt that I couldn't do it
take away the computer, but I wanted to take away the
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and then I came back in the room and I got it.
QUESTION – Though sorry, I understand, because I realized
they all were invited to come out and the House
immediately had been seized, are
attending the police post and all other ...
ANSWER: Yes, however in the living room there remained
the bag when we walked in we had put
jackets, stuff, so we had to go anyway to
take them back, the bag I had on the couch, for example
a moment I had to go get her.
QUESTION – Then she along with others you return to
resume personal property and even the computer.
REPLY – I definitely.
QUESTION – others will remember if they get in?
REPLY – I definitely, here some not.
President-you.
REPLY – I don't remember.
QUESTION – the others speak of Zahrani, of Large, more
policeman, Amanda and Sollecito.
REPLY – I speak for myself, I don't remember.
QUESTION – the question is whether the other ...
ANSWER – No, I don't remember.
QUESTION – If you remember if they entered. Don't you remember?
ANSWER – No, I'm sorry.
QUESTION – very well thanks. Look on the door
I wanted to come back, she said.
REPLY – the front door?
QUESTION – the entrance of Via Pergola, you said
that was faulty.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – why wasn't the shot?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – this morning said that there were problems that
door did not lock because it made the shot, the
question is this, I wanted to understand, so you when
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closes the door must pull or ...
ANSWER – we said that it was necessary to always Grossly
inchiavarla.
QUESTION – So hypothetically if one runs out fast ...
REPLY – remains open.
QUESTION – So the door wouldn't shut.
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – Bounced and was left open?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – why the shot ...
ANSWER – there wasn't.
QUESTION – there was the Bell to get in?
ANSWER – Yes Yes.
QUESTION – Working?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – why you said you usually knocked?
ANSWER: Yes, because he was, then the front door ...
the front door of the apartment on Via della
Pergola, wooden door was a large and
then there was even a grate that blew even the grating
though it was a little flawed so basically the
We pulled ever and the Bell if I'm not mistaken was
near the grate then still was more instinctive
knocking, because basically the door
looked in the living room so we could hear.
QUESTION – Feel on the issue of money she reported that
Meredith at one point told her that she was ready to
pay his share of the rent?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – How exactly?
REPLY – 300 euros.
QUESTION – Meredith actually pulled out the money
from the bag?
ANSWER – No, Meredith said, "If you want I'll do even
now ".
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QUESTION – but the question is she saw Meredith pull out
the money from the bag, made them see these 300
Euro?
REPLY – the bag he had available, probably
made the gesture to take them though me and Laura we
taken ...
QUESTION – Then she money saw them?
ANSWER – No, we ain't got money, we
said: "No, No, don't worry, we take the money
When we put them all why should you
take them off now only you. "
QUESTION – But in your opinion you might when he said
I am at your disposal that meant going to the ATM
I took them back here?
ANSWER – No, they're right here at home, I got, I got, I
I have right now.
QUESTION – Though she notes not saw them?
ANSWER – No, I don't remember.
QUESTION – Thanks. Hear when ... A confirmation only on time
where did you get to Via Gimp, she and Joan Garner,
the boys, Luke and mark were already there?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – where exactly were inside or outside?
REPLY – I remember that Marco was outside near the
door.
QUESTION – And Luke?
ANSWER – in the doorway.
QUESTION – And Luke?
REPLY-is nearby.
QUESTION – and the cops?
ANSWER – right next to it.
QUESTION – Close inside or out?
REPLY – closer.
QUESTION – and even Amanda and Sollecito.
ANSWER – right next to it.
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QUESTION – Feel in relation to the statement that Knox has
made about the fact that the door was, Meredith
He closed the door, exactly who was at that time
close to you when you made that statement?
REPLY – I remember the tall policeman, di Paola,
probably even Raphael.
QUESTION – I get it.
REPLY – I do not remember ...
QUESTION – And Luke?
REPLY – Look exactly I all places I can not
place because honestly I was in shock for a
piece and place after so long all people
It's not easy.
QUESTION – Feel returning instead at first she said she
met Raffaele Sollecito on 26 October.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – do you remember who he had lunch that day at home with her?
REPLY – I was really in a hurry because I was going
to a degree.
QUESTION – who was there exactly?
ANSWER – there was ...
QUESTION – besides Amanda and Raffaele, you said?
REPLY – Laura, then later I was picked up Marco,
Meredith but there was likewise kind came little after,
While they cooked, because Amanda and Raffaele
made the dough, in fact I think cooked Raffaele and then
I think Laura and Meredith have lunch together or
Meredith joined the boys, this I remember, I was
really in a hurry.
QUESTION – Though you were all there and it was convivial,
normal, ordinary, regular was that you spend the
time together?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION: you have also stated that relations among you
they were ordinary, between the roommates, I
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clearly says in a report in previous
declarations, that coexistence was quiet even
because me and Laura had lived together and then
We never had any problem in making friends with
the other girls despite the difficulty of age.
ANSWER – No No no, they were first and foremost however were
two girls very quiet, extroverted, friendly,
This was the impression so. ..
QUESTION – cleaning issues which he said
before ...
ANSWER – No, obviously as ...
QUESTION – Are ordinary problems.
ANSWER: Yes, but they are of course in a
coexistence.
QUESTION – Look back instead to the boys who lived
underneath, she attended the apartment below, there
two were exchanging?
REPLY – I went there the day of the birthday of
James has been in late September I
Apparently, 26, 4, can't remember exactly and still
of the tenants upstairs I was what li
attending really less.
QUESTION – Though she was in the apartment downstairs?
REPLY – I was the birthday of James and I
He knows another time I went to call Laura because
I had to ask something or type I went and
There was Laura home, I needed Laura I found if
It was from them.
QUESTION – this condition I wanted bring to his other
statement when she said that Raphael had
smoked one evening, she saw him once, she remembers,
the question is this: do you remember if others
boys of the apartment below were using
Narcotics?
REPLY – I think so.
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QUESTION – always with the same procedures and the same doses
or would you call them as it did previously not
drug addicts?
REPLY – not addicts.
QUESTION – So this usage as you define normal
This type of ...
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – she was aware that there was a plantation ...
ANSWER – No, this thing I learned on papers.
PRESIDENT – sorry, whether it can conclude the question Lawyer, a
planting?
QUESTION – of hash marijuana in the apartment under or mi
It seems.
REPLY – this thing I learned from the newspapers that have
done ... In the days after the discovery, on a
newspaper it said that kids cultivate a
Plantation of narcotics, marijuana and I
remember now, who if the police station asked me and the various
minutes if I was aware of this,
answer is no, absolutely no, and anyway, that is
However even then I explained that the garden was very
great, the garden even ran out into a Valley,
IE was not delimited or closed, so I couldn't
just imagine ... I don't even know how many plants
Fig or pear or chestnut actually were
inside the garden, only a couple of times I tried
take a tour to see how great but then
It got on steeper and then ... Anyway I wasn't
absolutely aware.
PRESIDENT – Please Lawyer.
QUESTION – Returning instead to Dunning's statement that
He said "I have tried to open the door and also
Amanda has searched through the balcony. "
ANSWER: Yes, I do not remember if he, or he and Amanda.
QUESTION – according to her from the balcony ...
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REPLY – I remembered that he says.
QUESTION – from the terrace of your House you can see the
the Meredith leaning obviously, more or less?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – Why?
ANSWER – There is the wall.
QUESTION – but there was also the window?
ANSWER – to appear from the deck ...
QUESTION – you can try however to see?
ANSWER: Yes, however I don't think and see, I've never tried
so I couldn't tell you but I don't think you see.
QUESTION – Look instead returning to statements about the
bath, traces of blood in the bath she
had seen them?
ANSWER – No, I don't remember.
QUESTION – Though the phone had got this information?
ANSWER – Yes there was ... The passage was open door,
blood, shower.
PRESIDENT – sorry to bath where there were patches of
blood was the one used to ...
ANSWER – Yes, say what it served to the rooms of
Meredith and Amanda, and the bathroom which served to
room for me and Laura was called the big bathroom.
QUESTION – I'm done, possibly after ...
DEFENCE – OPP. GHIRGA
QUESTION – for defending Knox, brief clarification. The wonder
What kind of occupation had at the material time and
Today, what is your job.
REPLY – I'm a legal practice in a studio.
QUESTION – Of Perugia?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – so I ask when he used at the beginning of
his lengthy deposition Amanda bore the men into the House,
though stating that ... They then reduced to a single
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This episode Daniel or Daniel, is a condition if the
want to clarify the term and if that
condition is a direct knowledge, he learned
by Amanda, she learned from someone?
REPLY-is not a condition that I have read
direct.
QUESTION – so who knew?
ANSWER – By Laura.
QUESTION – what she reported because in his
deposition ...
REPLY – That on a weekend out with the neighbors
House and there was this guy and then Amanda led him to
home.
QUESTION – No memory where he had seen Laura,
place indoors ...
REPLY – I'm sorry I didn't hear.
QUESTION – does not remember more, i.e. Laura reports having
seen Amanda ...
ANSWER – No No, Maura was there then you know.
QUESTION: Yes, saw them at breakfast for example?
REPLY – it seems to me that ...
QUESTION – This is a statement.
ANSWER – Yes Yes.
QUESTION – said he saw them at breakfast perhaps,
While they were having breakfast?
REPLY – I do not remember ...
QUESTION – that's what she said ...
REPLY – I remember like in the living room ...
PRESIDENT – should you do dispute ...
QUESTION – I asked, he learned from others, yes I
learned from Laura.
ANSWER – Yes, I saw That he had slept in the House I
see, it was morning, in the living room.
QUESTION – please ... The President can, because in fact
the answer, I didn't post well the question I, then
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He learned from Laura, I tell them: Laura told her
where did you see them physically, where he saw Amanda and
This guy named Daniel? In the bedroom,
kitchen, Garden, breakfast, lunch, dinner,
I ask if he remembers, if no le contesto.
REPLY – I don't remember.
QUESTION — then to the Declaration, in its statement
of 15 November to the police, the Mobile Team
Perugia "Laura told me he had found one morning to
have breakfast Daniel, Laura told me about you
saw a morning breakfast with Amanda ", then
I context, remember.
PRESIDENT – confirms this ...
ANSWER – Yes Yes.
PRESIDENT – Though I don't remember back then ...
REPLY – look at it I think, Mr President-I remember
that narrative I was made by Laura, live science
I've had though.
QUESTION – Though the dispute is fine, I followed her
the Council saw them having breakfast.
PRESIDENT – Yes, reported ... Please lawyer.
QUESTION – I go to the telephone conversation which she
He talked about the November 5 when Amanda at police headquarters, between
things that in my opinion has consistently told the
Court recalls Amanda expression "but I'm hungry,
I'm worried "or something like that?
REPLY – this expression I remember that Amanda had it,
It made her often, often repeated the era when
We were in the police station, that is, precisely the day from 2
November, until the morning of almost 3.
QUESTION – So. ..
REPLY but not ... Ah, it's true, I think he told me also
by telephone to the fact that he was due back in
Police Headquarters "I'm hungry".
PRESIDENT – is the call ...
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QUESTION – Of 5 November ...
PRESIDENT – before the arrest.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – I omit to read as protest, the content
December 3 transcripts of his long
deposition. Always on that occasion the spoke of the
machine? As phrased Amanda against
of the mother? Tell me if you remember.
PRESIDENT – Had already reported something.
QUESTION – Yes.
REPLY – said he had to go, had told mom
what had happened and that his mother would come to
Italy, asked me if I wanted to meet my mom and I
I said yes, that there was no problem
I felt that this was an opportunity.
QUESTION – I ended up on this point in asking if Amanda le
asks "will return to live together?"
ANSWER – Yes, I wondered.
PRESIDENT – had already declared.
QUESTION – all right, I'm more quiet, because I feel
say. Her before answering the question of the advocate
Maori, says he no longer returned in
Via della Pergola, after the 2 November of course.
ANSWER – We ...
QUESTION – I heard her say in passing, about the
returning something ...
ANSWER – Yes, there was the return of some effects
December 18-day personal, anyway we headed back
before the event of the discovery of Meredith to the
18 December, we returned again in the House of Vi
della Pergola, can't remember the day.
Question-I tell him.
ANSWER – to see the knives in the House. But not
I remember the day.
QUESTION – In a November 7, President of her verbal if not
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wrong, says exactly that, I ask the question: do you
is back together with the judicial police
the apartment name for additional knives, then there is the
history of cloths and washing machine also, about the
return, how are the arrangements, reopen the door,
you fit in? Open drawers, drawers,
What are you doing?
ANSWER – In reference to when we went to see
knives?
QUESTION: Certainly.
REPLY-then when we went to see the knives were
in the area of the stay, we moved from
that room, we showed the knives that you could see
from kitchen sink, those leaning, those
in the so-called cutlery basket, they asked us if
We feel something was missing and we answered no,
opened the drawer, the one where you
were the other cutlery, they asked us if missing
something we think we answered no, they asked us
If we saw something strange ...
QUESTION – No, my question was different, she came so
inside the House with the police?
ANSWER – Yes, that day the day we ...
QUESTION – the day between 7 November ...
REPLY – the day that we saw for knives.
QUESTION – can you tell Him the next day?
ANSWER – No, I don't remember the date.
QUESTION – On 7 November says ... Help me if you know find,
between November 2 which is the day that we discover the
body, and the 7 day that she makes this statement,
She uses the phrase "in the days to follow along with the
Judicial police I went ... ". You tell me one day
between 7 November and by chance?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – I repeat again, what have you done, you
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removed the seals, removed the seals?
ANSWER – No, we went to the police ...
PRESIDENT – No, wait that the Attorney
her application.
QUESTION – please repeat because I heard ...
PRESIDENT – Please.
QUESTION – is there a day between 2 and 7 November in which the
our witness is outside the home to see
knives and blades are missing, if this is the case.
The question is simple, the House is sealed, they
removed the seals, she came, how far it has come,
what he saw, took knives, opened the
drawer to say if they are missing or not? Is clearer
question otherwise I do it.
President-No, please.
REPLY – the day that the Lords of the police headquarters there
escorted into the House to see if
missing knives if not wrong them, some of
they were already in the House, me and Laura were
accompanied by some police officers because there
went first to the police station, they said "probably
You must come to see and something is missing, the knives or
as if there's something that seems strange, "so we
go first to the police station, the police station we waited
a little, perhaps we also released another
minutes and then with some police officers in
the car drove up to Via della Pergola and we
walked in, we didn't touch anything basically, there
They showed only knives and if there was anything
strange that we saw in the House.
QUESTION – we are meaning?
REPLY – me and Laura.
QUESTION – Laura appears today, now remember this condition
that he didn't remember the 7, why?
PRESIDENT – How sorry lawyer?
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QUESTION – Laura appears today, we are here it says.
President-you remember accurately that there was also Laura?
ANSWER – Yes Yes, we go together.
PRESIDENT – Asks the lawyer in the minutes ...
REPLY – the minutes are gone.
PRESIDENT – As ever, asks the lawyer, in verbal
He made ...
QUESTION – we go today says.
PRESIDENT – made no mention of this other person, this
It seems to me lawyer.
ANSWER – Because Laura would release the same verbal
If not simultaneously along with me and then if not
mistake the police officer gave me some questions
direct, if I am there and Laura was in another room
I don't make the same verbal ...
QUESTION – you see, should invite to respond not to do
deductions which among other things ...
President-No, is responding ...
QUESTION – No, there is no writ of attachment, there is
nothing here to that date.
PRESIDENT – sorry, but the witness is to be circumstances.
QUESTION – How does the lawyer ...
PRESIDENT – excuse me, it is simply a witness, please
Lawyer.
QUESTION: you say the minutes ... I asked the question
We mean Laura. Another question ...
PRESIDENT – We are, me and Laura.
QUESTION – on that occasion there was someone from the Police
With her when you stepped inside for
see the knives?
President-you were accompanied by ...
ANSWER – there were several police officers do not know if
someone belong to science, to the CRO ...
QUESTION – has seen white suits, socks.
REPLY – Had the envelopes below ...
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PRESIDENT – what color, remember?
REPLY – Celestine I want, white, though a shade
Clare.
PRESIDENT – also had suits?
ANSWER – No No, there they had all overshoes.
PRESIDENT – you were given overshoes?
ANSWER: Yes, and especially with the thing in don't touch
nothing.
PRESIDENT – so I armed shoe covers and also
they had them.
ANSWER – Yes.
PRESIDENT – Please Attorney if there are any other questions.
QUESTION – Yes another. Back to that episode of 1
November when she and her fiancé Marco Zahrani return
Home for the package and the Lady to change,
know if Marco Zahrani, first says he had seen Meredith,
then it gets cleared up, I hailed ... She did Meredith
view in that circumstance?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – know if was in her room, if they told him ...
REPLY – I know, I was told I was home and who was
resting.
PRESIDENT – who told you here accurately.
REPLY – Amanda, there was Amanda I asked "Meredith is in
room ".
QUESTION – I ask one last condition because I asked her
Amanda, do you remember if once within two months was
There, she delivered the 1200 Euros to Amanda to pay
the rent and make a money order or something
like that?
REPLY-that is asking me if ...
QUESTION – once you gave cash to pay
the total rent to Amanda because he could pass on to
by money, half ...
ANSWER – we had decided that we would do the money order to
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Ma'am take turns, but I don't remember if ...
QUESTION: my great colleague Widow rightly says,
If you remember the names of the judicial police or what
both that evening ... The time among other things we
felt, between 2 and 7, in the days to follow.
REPLY – I don't remember.
PRESIDENT-calls? More loudly.
QUESTION – I ask you about excellent suggestion by my colleague From
Widow if on that day between 2 and 7 which is
This access we tell via della Pergola in
as described, if you remember the name of
policemen, a police officer or two cops?
REPLY – Mrs. Monica Napoleoni was definitely with
us.
QUESTION – all right.
QUESTION – Other names not remembers?
ANSWER – there was Mrs. Lorena Zugarini.
QUESTION – Then remembers, what next?
ANSWER – because they are then people who've seen more often,
then over time ...
QUESTION – always present.
REPLY-then I can't remember everyone's names, of these two
Sir in question will remember them.
QUESTION – we have finished.
PRESIDENT – to finish the exam please, Prosecutor.
PROSECUTOR-DR. COMFORTABLE
QUESTION – let's go at the time of the breakthrough
Meredith, Meredith's bedroom door, she
He said that overall there were cries, who
He said "blood, blood, blood" who said "gradually" and
textual phrase "highest COP said he took us
via "?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – so I drove away all?
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ANSWER: Yes, I think of a sentence that said "
this moment in the House doesn't fit anymore ".
QUESTION – and where has brought you?
ANSWER – in the courtyard.
QUESTION – Then in the yard?
REPLY-all, I, mark, John, Luke, Amanda and Raffaele and
the two policemen.
QUESTION – Then you said in question I don't remember who, has
said to remember that the higher COP
back in the House?
ANSWER – Yes, I think he re-entered the House, but I remained
always outside, so I honestly don't know, i.e.
evidently is due back into the House in my opinion
because ...
QUESTION – but she saw him go into the House.
REPLY – Enter Yes.
QUESTION – and saw him get into the room of Meredith?
ANSWER – No, I saw that was outside the front door.
QUESTION – and Abbe came home?
REPLY – I can't remember. I don't think that I can remember
right, but ...
QUESTION – all right.
REPLY-that is, honestly I was starting to get very confused,
then ...
QUESTION – If you want I can wait 30 seconds.
ANSWER – No, I couldn't tell anyway, I remember
quite precisely.
QUESTION – a moment. Face a moment mente locale at the time
the breaching of the door, at which point she
described say two groups of people, the first longer
behind the door, were you four essentially
her, Laura and your respective ...
REPLY – Paola.
QUESTION – Paola, I'm sorry, big and your respective
boyfriends and, earlier, Amanda, Raffaele and ...
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ANSWER – Yes, the two agents.
QUESTION – all will excuse me if I speak, I mean I mean
even the defendants sometimes with first name
Why am I being easier, if it can give
hassle be told why ... Then further back Amanda
Raphael and the COP?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – The lowest COP she doesn't remember it?
ANSWER – No, it did not participate in that day I
I don't remember that active.
QUESTION – then this is the time, you kick it, who
is shouting "blood, blood"?
REPLY – certainly, Luke, I. ..
QUESTION – All.
REPLY – I didn't see it I cried blood for example.
QUESTION – at this point the top COP doing? Do you
space, makes its way, since you are the ones most
close the door? You think about it.
REPLY-appeared. I think he's faced.
In the sequence as we walked, I remember
for example very well that Marco took me and carried me away,
just feel the hand that takes me away, I'd probably
like, but the corner of my eye, that the Lord above,
the agent up anyway ...
QUESTION – extruded?
REPLY – extruded because blood, blood, he wasn't,
as position not faced as Luke and
Marco, were we say more on the bias so I think
However a minute will have wanted to see what was
success, the corner of my eye I think anyway
While we we posted there was a passage in which
He ... We went to the door, he went towards the
room ...
QUESTION – Then the invitation to go out was next to
This gesture to look out the door? When he
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He said out of here because there's been a crime and
then nobody can back into the House.
REPLY – the phrase "now from now does not enter more
None, "was said later.
QUESTION – and then when then however invited to
get away?
ANSWER – In immediacy. I.e. shortly after we were there.
QUESTION – appeared and then said ...
REPLY-the time I couldn't tell, I don't know how long
real has passed, do not remember it.
QUESTION – all right. Though she saw the policeman enter
in Meredith's room?
ANSWER – No, I remember that, that there was this, as
say, that is ...
Question-have you given return?
ANSWER – we return, exactly, but I do not know ...
PRESIDENT – obviously position?
ANSWER – Yes, that's right, we went to the door, but I think
It's logical that police being a moment
trying to figure out what had happened.
PRESIDENT – tell us what you saw.
ANSWER: Yes, but I didn't see if he came in, I don't know.
QUESTION-as far as the window of
his room when he came in the morning to her usually
go to work, as he left the window?
ANSWER – sometimes left her open, IE not ajar
wide open, I closed the blinds outside and i left
inside open to change the air.
QUESTION – Then however the wooden shutters.
REPLY – those outside the staring in Yes.
QUESTION – would pull in.
ANSWER – Yes Yes.
QUESTION – But close properly, signalled well?
REPLY – it was all bad that window, it's not that you
closed very well, as I said I wasn't a
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sense of security, she was old and swollen wood.
QUESTION – Yes, but for her to pull over meaning?
REPLY – I closed the blinds inside and often left her,
I closed the shutters, exterior doors
wood closed and often leave the Windows open for
the change of air.
QUESTION – I understand, but since it did not close properly, the
he approached or closed right in parallel with
the engagement?
REPLY – I closed.
QUESTION – So close?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – the shutters.
ANSWER: Yes, but the whole window would close itself
in fact, this was ...
QUESTION – and what that clashed the shutter or the glass?
ANSWER – unfortunately it was a old window then being
that rested on a stone type part or any
brick type stone, wood rubbed herself, did force
the whole window is shutters that part
inside.
QUESTION – and the day when she went to pass the
Bridge of the dead say, behold the Saints and the dead to
Home of her boyfriend?
REPLY – I remember to have it shut.
Question – how did it all the time?
ANSWER – Yes. I remember I closed it too because I knew
I'd missed a few days and then ...
QUESTION – all right. Senta remembers the light points of your
fixed and mobile rooms?
REPLY – lamps? Then the whole House?
QUESTION – No, your homes.
REPLY-Okay. I was on the nightstand and desk two
abajour, Laura in her room had a paper lamp
rice is a kind of bed side, Amanda had one on
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nightstand and Meredith had another I feel close to
bed.
Excuse me, could you repeat the question – I got distracted for a moment,
the latter.
REPLY – Amanda had one on the nightstand and Meredith if not
mistake had one next to my bed.
QUESTION – and as they were, she describes?
REPLY-then I remember that Amanda was black with a
red button and there was a kind of compartment for pens,
door tweezers, i.e. a pano where lay some things.
That room ...
QUESTION – Then rectangular?
ANSWER: Yes, she was black, I remember a red button, which
There had to turn on one eye, a red button,
to Meredith was more ordinary type, this I
remember it was special because of this button
Red, that of Meredith was still with plastic
a regular spot, like a desk light that I
remember ...
QUESTION – had neither the holder nor the red button
pens?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – so it was why he was recognizable the
Amanda's lamp?
REPLY – I remember the red button, because it was
Red and black and the Red was, that stood out, had
caught my attention just for that.
QUESTION – do you remember if in the course of their investigations.
Defence – Opp. Ghirga – excuse me, where are we to cross examination
where are we here?
QUESTION – we are at the end of direct examination.
PRESIDENT – is ending the prosecution, sorry
Lawyer is ending the prosecution, then
ending the defense of a civil action, then terminate
defences of the accused which have in common the heads, you
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you will have the last word, the last questions.
Defence – Opp. Ghirga – I wonder at what point we, they
did the exam, we have made the cross examination, we had
finished us.
QUESTION – we have to conclude we as heads induced by
Prosecutor, which you have induced you too.
PRESIDENT – they are finishing their questions and then
Finish, we are in the final stages, please. Sorry
Prosecutor, can continue.
QUESTION – do you remember if during the investigation the was
shown some lamp to recognize?
REPLY-I did not understand.
QUESTION – If the police during the investigation has
shown a lamp to recognize?
REPLY – it seems to me, they asked me to a lamp, they asked me to
This lamp with the red button where I could
place, I said I saw her in the room
Amanda, I don't remember if they didn't show up, I
I remember the day that they asked the lamps,
How was the lamp in the room of Amanda and I said,
the lean-to for Amanda there had the button
Red ignition.
QUESTION – Amanda?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – and then there was only one in the Meredith's room
lamp?
ANSWER – Yes, he kept next to the bed.
QUESTION – who kept next to the bed.
REPLY – not on the nightstand on the ground.
QUESTION – on the ground Yes. So then you do not remember if I
have shown these lamps for recognition.
ANSWER – No.
Question-why is there a summary information of 7
April 2008 redacted of course from the Mobile Team
where it is recognised that "nominees in question – i.e.
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Romanelli and Mezzetti – shows the two lamps
Black repertate by Meredith's room ".
ANSWER – Yes, I forget ... I apologize but I many times
I went to the police station, because during the year
I went so many times trying to do
possible, many times what it really is
happened I can't remember.
QUESTION – it would be able to recognize them?
ANSWER – Yes, even now.
QUESTION – one last question: you said that when you
been brought from some agents believe the team
Mobile because he spoke of Dr. Napoleons and
Lorena Zugarini, at Via della Pergola for
recognition of knives to see if missing
something between the cutlery, etc., there was already in place a
site inspection?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – how many people more or less? Many, few, a,
two, five, six?
REPLY – five, six, seven, five – sure. Boh,
five-six, less than this definitely no, then we
you come too.
QUESTION – Had his footwear?
REPLY – I remember that they had shoes. I remember
I put them, too.
QUESTION – They had put?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – both she and her friend?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – has touched something?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – Look to go in her room because she
said that although furtively rejoined the day
the discovery of the corpse, she returned to the House to
take the computer, and to resume the bag that
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He had left on the table?
ANSWER – Yes bag on the couch I think I
resting when I first arrived, as in the living room.
QUESTION – his computer where he was?
ANSWER – in the room on the ground floor.
QUESTION – in his room?
ANSWER: Yes, in my room.
QUESTION – to enter his room as part of the House
must be walked?
ANSWER – stay, you enter through the front door, there is
a small hallway, but small just a meter
poor square, you jump right in the living room-kitchen
and my room looks right in the kitchen
as well as that of Laura, as well as the large bathroom,
two meters, three meters, I don't know.
QUESTION – so he had to, the answer is obvious but the question
do the same, he had to sign in, follow the
corridor leading to the room of Meredith?
ANSWER – No, Meredith's room compared to my room
It is precisely the opposite.
QUESTION – is due to pass in front of the bathroom where there were
blood stains?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – is due to pass in front of the room of Meredith?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – with no further questions.
PRESIDENT – the plaintiff if there are questions.
CIVIL PARTY – AVV. MACK
QUESTION – Attorney Mack to defend Kercher. I go for
topics, I try to be quick enough. Use
of the two bathrooms, the small one and the larger one, has
mentioned how they were divided, into your month and
half of cohabitation?
ANSWER – Yes.
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QUESTION – is ever that this use was crossed?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – would often or a little?
REPLY – little, when bathing was busy, because me and
Laura we used the large one, the girls what more
small, but for example I went in the bathroom
small, because the great was busy.
QUESTION – so you could say that using meant that
you had your personal belongings?
ANSWER – Yes, the personal effects me and Laura were holding them
in the large bathroom ...
QUESTION – Though if necessary using anyway ...
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION: you have mentioned that Meredith was never home
Dunning responded before I seem to the public
Ministry, would know anyway if ever
went to Sollecito?
REPLY – I think so, in the sense that however as
We were developing a certain confidence then
I don't see why I should have said, maybe not
There was the weather, but plan – plan Yes, but that I
Meredith knows there's never gone.
QUESTION: you said that Meredith felt frequently the
mom for health problems.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – know if he felt his sister?
REPLY – felt, Mama practically several times a day,
4 – 5 times a day, and then ... However often felt
all family members, including his father, although
Anyway did not live together anymore because they were divided
still felt ...
QUESTION: who were his parents?
ANSWER – Yes Yes, parents. Felt frequently also
father, her mother felt so many times because he was
wrong, told me he was on dialysis had trouble
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kidneys.
QUESTION-Meredith was studying in her room or used.
REPLY – also Used the living room, some times
I do the homework, even helping also to Amanda
Sometimes, I was delighted.
QUESTION – and the Knox used his room to study?
ANSWER – No, in the living room-kitchen.
QUESTION – Then both used the living room –
kitchen apart but their room?
ANSWER – Yes.
Question-here's her in said that cleaning shifts
House have floor-plan creates problems because the
Knox not cleaned as I understand it, is that correct?
ANSWER – it is right.
QUESTION – but these problems were issues which are
sharper much to create tension or were
problems still bearable?
REPLY – Still bearable, IE wasn't so
serious, then time, IE not that had passed all
This time, know two months, three months since I clean
home, you missed a round, two rounds.
QUESTION – why there has been little time together?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – episode of Daniel that this was
reference Attorney Ghirga before, the fact that she
I knew Daniel was done after breakfast
stay overnight at the home of Daniel ...
REPLY – After.
QUESTION – Then had stopped overnight and then did
breakfast together.
PRESIDENT – is doing Yes with ....
ANSWER – Yes, I said later, sorry maybe I
heard.
QUESTION – episode Knox calls to warn her
the problem of 2 morning, Knox didn't ever say "I
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I called the police, I called the police "in
These three calls?
REPLY – I don't remember, I said call the police,
call police and I remember Amanda saying yes yes,
Okay.
QUESTION – but she told her I called?
REPLY – I don't remember.
Question-a clarification on the Windows, the window is formed
from the outside, from Persian frame is called
frame that holds the glass and blinds?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – there are also the shutters?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – the shutters close properly or not?
REPLY – The exterior shutters ...
QUESTION – the shutters, named shutters, closing
well yes or no?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – no external shutters. The frame that contains the
glass shut properly or not?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – the shutters on the frame or not? The shutters have the
hooks onto the frame that holds the glass, close,
were there any difficulties?
REPLY – I can't remember what exactly, but one does not
lock not so well why don't fell well
even the catch of no that I place it
Why still created in any case, the dark, maybe
the left one, can't remember exactly, but one
definitely not shut properly that night
I left just leaning.
QUESTION – She responded before the public prosecutor which was
his wont close the blinds and then with a little
effort I imagine because he said ...
REPLY – The staring.
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QUESTION – why did pressure ...
ANSWER – Yes, grovelled.
QUESTION – on the ledge right?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – and to leave open the Windows to let air pass through
Is that so?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – of you girls in this month and a half of
coexistence, the key issue behind,
so difficult to open, etc., you used the Bell
of you or not?
ANSWER – No, we knocked, but we at home we had
always the keys, then ...
QUESTION – Yes, but you said earlier that if the key was
inside ...
ANSWER – Yes, there was the Bell but basically
not often used, mostly you knocked at the door.
QUESTION – you've never used or not?
REPLY – the Bell?
QUESTION – Yes.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – sometimes?
ANSWER – sometimes.
QUESTION: you have answered initially to the Prosecutor
that in essence you as owner of quotation
the House gave nearly this consent to the removal
Meredith's door is right?
ANSWER – Yes Yes.
QUESTION – And I understand that the burden of operators
the Post was basically that they didn't want to act on
a matter of property, of ...
REPLY – I remember that they said "we can't do that,"
I did "But even if I ask?" "No, not
We can do ".
QUESTION – Then she essentially gave orders to his friends?
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ANSWER: Yes, in fact I said: "All witnesses, then
you that you can't do that I am giving the order
them "because I did it in the future
having to justify later after mistress ...
QUESTION – last question, responded first to the defense
Prompt evaluation of the simulated theft was formed
mano a mano?
ANSWER – Yes, mano a mano.
QUESTION, "explains that it means gradually?
ANSWER – When I came home on Via della Pergola and
I found the room in that condition, as I have
said the first thought was to see if
at least the valuables were still inside the
House and then I rushed immediately to see the
jewelry. Then I searched for other goods, not value
Maybe like the jewelry, but still other valuables
owned by me and so I started investigating,
that is, to watch, patrol inside the House, inside the
room and saw that there was no computer, I remember
The sunglasses on the desk of a purse
that ...
QUESTION – This has already been said. Tell us the formation
the idea of simulation.
REPLY – Piano – piano ...
PRESIDENT: you have mentioned already earlier ...
QUESTION-has already responded.
PRESIDENT – has already responded.
ANSWER – because there were glasses nonetheless were ...
PRESIDENT – Sorry there were glasses?
QUESTION – Miss first said that as it is
formed the conviction ...
PRESIDENT – Please avoid dialogues between attorney, lawyer
defenders, go ahead. Then you say a
progressive conviction of simulation based on
of which elements?
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REPLY-Firstly on the grounds that the things of
value were still in the House, perhaps in disorder,
Maybe you moved, but things there were and that because
the closet where were my clothes was all open and
There was, as I said, there was a lot on
Earth, however without touching that much because
There were glasses, many didn't want to sincerely more
so go glance through, I saw that there was however
clothes on the desk there were glasses, namely
I saw that there were objects, then gradually, I repeat
mano a mano, we noticed the position of
glass so we started teasing
thief, in the sense that he was a thief.
PRESIDENT – okay, we intended, please lawyer.
QUESTION – In 1.5 months of cohabitation Knox ever
as we say ideas, so by reflection on its
behavioral attitudes and character?
INTERVENTION – (off microphone).
PRESIDENT – Sorry Lawyer, can repeat the question?
QUESTION – answered the report of 7 November 2007.
PRESIDENT – but maybe in the report could also express,
that is now the questions must not contain obviously
ratings, please lawyer.
QUESTION – is not an assessment because if ...
PRESIDENT – No, I don't know, because I asked if he could
resume.
QUESTION – was a normal kid Knox or ...
PRESIDENT – as it appeared, here you can represent
behaviors in any way ...
QUESTION – had some particular behaviours in this
month and a half or not?
REPLY – was a girl who showed a lot of
interests, loved music, sports, yoga, languages
so definitely a girl who had many, many
interest to cultivate.
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PRESIDENT – he socialized with others?
ANSWER – he socialized with others, Yes Yes, from this point
to view ...
PRESIDENT – Was brought to acts of rage?
ANSWER – No. ..
PRESIDENT – It is what worried easily?
REPLY – every so often had.
PRESIDENT – than normal Act of each?
REPLY – every so often had attitudes rather
singular kind maybe while you spoke was starting to do
Yoga ...
PRESIDENT – the singularity is this, pray lawyer.
REPLY – But was normal, maybe occasionally was singular in
an attitude or you spoke, there was
television, played guitar. Sometimes maybe
Yes, but still a girl with many interests and
normal.
PRESIDENT – Please Lawyer.
QUESTION – I finished.
CIVIL PARTY – AVV. SCARONI
QUESTION – Dr. Rahman earlier said the
Ms. Amanda seemed vaguely touched, although
He'd never say, never came to tears not true
and right. I wanted to know if, not so much an assessment,
But how much it would appear frightened, if you gave
the feeling of being scared at that moment.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Even the wording is there
the impression.
QUESTION – No, not an impression if touched or scared, I
It seems they are emotions expressible, sorry.
President-you gave a presentation, almost cried.
REPLY – I can say that maybe she could maintain a certain
Yes demeanor.
QUESTION – Self-control.
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REPLY – But upset is obvious.
QUESTION – one more question I wanted to know if you know,
He knew we had never heard of Mr.
Patrick Lumumba?
REPLY – I do not know him, I didn't know him, I know it's a
Guy who still worked in the local
Perugia, i.e. the name ...
QUESTION – Amanda the ever talk ...
ANSWER: Yes, he said that he got a job at the Pub, however
by a guy whose numbers if I'm not mistaken the
He had been given by Laura and found work at the
Pub Le Chique that had to go, I don't know, I don't remember
How many times a week, in the evening, to do the job
from barmaid so for, let's pull some cash for
the period, staying in Italy.
QUESTION – just happened the fact, say until
the arrest because after I guess it had more
opportunity to speak with Miss Amanda,
Miss Knox has ever done, ever talk in
Mr. Patrick in his presence, by 2 November ...
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – with no further questions.
DEFENCE – OPP. BONGIORNO
QUESTION: you have said during this very long and
hopefully will be dead soon, examination and cross examination,
have been several times to the police station.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – every time he went to the police station she made it
statements and signed verbale or there were ...
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – how many times will be gone?
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ANSWER – A Lot. Lawyer, I counted them, many,
really a lot.
QUESTION – is able to tell or not?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – instead of access by way of
Bower, this access that doesn't remember the time she
He received a summons to make this access?
REPLY – I remember that the gentlemen of the police headquarters there
They called, they told us to go to the police station that
probably we should have gone with them, make a
inspection in the House to see if we believe
something was missing.
QUESTION – all this she signed a report?
REPLY – I think so, I think ...
QUESTION: you are you sure?
REPLY – I remember Yes, but as I repeat have been so
There are many times that I went ...
QUESTION-But if I do any questions not to have
deductions, one can have. To know that I mean
because ...
REPLY – I think so.
PRESIDENT – But the House made him eventually?
ANSWER – No, the police station.
QUESTION – Yes, but excuse me after I went home then went back to
The police or this report has been done before?
PRESIDENT – sorry, first when?
REPLY – before you go pretty much asked me.
QUESTION – I wanted to know, was convened by telephone
from what I understand.
ANSWER – Yes Yes.
QUESTION – did they say come to the police station?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – Then went home and said the verbal
I did it at home, then there are two alternatives or are
back to the police station ...
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REPLY – I can't remember if we did kind of there
below or next day because it was night, was very
later, it was late.
QUESTION – it was late, and then what happened, which does not
you are serviced by the police?
ANSWER – No No.
QUESTION – and then reconvened the next day
to do this report? You can say, if you don't
remember ...
ANSWER – No, I don't remember it, anyway I think then
We signed in relation to knives and then ...
QUESTION – I wanted to know one thing, when she was being felt
Police at first there's these verbal, come
felt individually?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – she has always been felt alone individually
so that there were no suggestions ...
ANSWER – No, always alone, I felt ...
QUESTION – Then I must dispute there are two verbal
in which she is heard along with Laura Mezzetti
the exact same record, and even make you
questions in the plural and you answer "I'm Laura and I
Filomena ".
PRESIDENT – can tell the time?
QUESTION – are two minutes, one is on May 7, one is the 11
April, 7 September 13.30 Napoleoni Commissioner
round Zugarini, etc., and even a minute in which you
speaks in the plural, "contains the named object,
as reported, "begin a series of questions to
plural, you even you answered type chorus "we
Remember that you have never seen a vibrator, I Filomena
I confirm, I confirm ". How ever if you were in
a single ...
ANSWER – No No, at that time we were together.
QUESTION – and since she first told me.
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REPLY – I know, I repeat in many ...
QUESTION – as you must be precise, it is one thing
quite a record two singles, to me in 20 years
It's never happened to me, I wanted to know.
ANSWER – In those two occasions I confirm that I was with Laura.
QUESTION – but the answers since then are recorded
These responses into two, as were given?
ANSWER – in turn. We answered anyway ... For example if
I answered him, then asked "Joe six
agree with this "or" Filomena you agree? " "Yes".
QUESTION – how many times it happened this double presence at
moment of the minutes?
REPLY-then may I remember for sure.
PRESIDENT – more than once, only once, remember?
REPLY – once safe, like now I don't remember
exactly.
QUESTION – I the context that at least for now, to the verbal and
I have twice.
REPLY – I Confirm.
Question-the answer that was recorded in the plural
was the result of a response of both?
ANSWER: Yes, I'll explain, but question asked as I
mentioned, asked me and you agree, acknowledge,
Yes. The other girl or me, depending on who
answered first.
QUESTION – If either didn't remember a fact and
the other he remembered what was being recorded?
REPLY – Laura says, Filomena type says, right? I don't know
Sorry, I don't remember.
PRESIDENT – excuse me you remember, assumed this question,
If there was any question that either you or your
friend you haven't been able to answer or not
Remember, if there was here, or if there was ... For
What today can remember, since then the question
It was after this. If you don't remember.
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REPLY – I think ... I don't remember exactly.
PRESIDENT – in fact the expression this is.
QUESTION – I ask the acquisition of both these reports.
Going forward, when she went home in via Pergola,
He told us that he doesn't remember if he received ... That
the meeting request received orally, I wanted to know
When she entered she noticed if the objects in the
room where entered obviously because she said
He has toured all over the House, if everything was ...
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – I ask if everything was in order or there had been
move some object?
REPLY – I am just came in my room and then
result in the living room – kitchen, I didn't have a
patrol of the House so I don't know the rest of the
rooms ... No, it's true, I apologize, I went in
Laura's room and saw that even in her room
There were those directly pulled.
QUESTION – Yes, respect, so she ...
REPLY – I have not overstepped Let's living-
kitchen.
QUESTION – that day which does not remember the date, of course, is
entry into three rooms then?
REPLY – the day we did the survey for the
knives? Yes. But no, they're physically entrance entrance
only in the living room-kitchen.
QUESTION – but he looked ...
REPLY – I looked ...
QUESTION-we see a moment, look at his room and sees that
This room is in the same condition that you found it
or in the meantime was put in order, made ...
ANSWER – No, always messy, in my room is
always ...
QUESTION – his room finds a mess?
ANSWER – Yes, the disaster that had left.
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QUESTION – Laura's room?
REPLY – the same.
QUESTION – the living room?
ANSWER – there were signs, i.e. traces of black that I asked that
what it was and they said they needed it for prints
It was full of black spots, almost digital
the kitchen.
QUESTION – How long you stop there?
REPLY – I don't remember.
QUESTION – we are in the order of 10 minutes or
an hour?
ANSWER – in the order of half an hour, an hour.
QUESTION – agree. Before she arrived, both when
She left, flopped in cops?
ANSWER – when I arrived there were already, I don't remember if
then, if after we get in the car, i.e. If
now, however, we were all going, I don't know if
There are still the cops, after I
way.
QUESTION – Though cannot say.
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – These people staying inside included her
you had shoes all?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – don't you Scrubs?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – Gloves?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – the cops had gloves?
REPLY – I don't remember, I remember well his footwear.
QUESTION – the glove that sounds so obvious,
face a moment an effort and see to give us an answer
If it can.
PRESIDENT – she was asked to wear gloves?
REPLY – I was invited not to touch anything.
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PRESIDENT – he didn't have gloves. The other, the cops
touched something, do you remember if they opened the drawers?
REPLY – I don't remember seeing gloves
plastic, I remember well the phrase "I recommend girls
don't touch anything ".
QUESTION – thanks, then I close only with the request for
acquire two verbal, the reason these two minutes is
because, from what I've explained, that is being
two minutes in which are heard two people and there is no
told with precision whether and how they would answer.
Are two minutes that we have included in the case file, one is
of 11 April is at 12.20, the other is of 7 may
at 13.15.
DEFENCE – OPP. Maori
QUESTION – I have to go back again (off microphone) at
shutters, and because she said ...
PRESIDENT – excuse me a second Lawyer, we can move on
or do you want a recess, we want to pause a minute?
ANSWER – Yes, 5 minutes.
PRESIDENT – Suspend 5 minutes and then resume.
The hearing is suspended.
The hearing resumes.
PRESIDENT – takes the audience with the Maori Lawyer
is ending the exam.
DEFENCE – OPP. Maori
QUESTION – as I said before the break should return
on the issue of the shutters-window, because
She said some things to me over some questions
I did things a little different to public
Ministries and distinctly different things in the course of his,
in its summary information on 3 December 2007.
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Then we want to summarize well how were these
Windows?
REPLY-okay.
QUESTION – we speak of course of the days when she is
way that left, 1 November that left
House, as he closed the Windows of his home,
starting with shutters, Windows and blinds or blinds
as he says in his testimony.
REPLY – I remember closing the window in the following
so: the blinds, I pulled the shutters closed and locked
even the Windows and if I remember correctly I left a dark
Open, what didn't close properly.
QUESTION – so at this point I the context what you
3 publicly declared the day December 2007
Public Ministry 9 page of transcription
Prosecutor Mignini "the glass window was closed"
Romanelli "and the blinds drawn, though I think I
not locked. "
REPLY – I confirm because surely in immediacy, that is,
at the time of the facts I'd definitely greater memory
Clare today's date.
QUESTION – sure, it's obvious ...
REPLY – Then I confirm the minutes that I made.
QUESTION – So the Windows were combined and not closed?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – we go to another point ...
PRESIDENT – Sorry Windows with reference to the shutters?
QUESTION – Yes, you're right shutters President, thanks
in the statement, the blinds so they were juxtaposed.
REPLY – I confirm exactly the minutes.
QUESTION: you said during the question I don't know
Anyone who didn't feel safe inside
of the dwelling?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – because there were no grates, protections
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at the Windows?
REPLY – so the grates were present only relatively
the window in the bedroom of Laura Mezzetti,
a grate was also in the large bathroom which had a
smaller window and had grates, too.
All other rooms in the House were not equipped with
lattices.
QUESTION – Then she felt insecure about what?
ANSWER – because my room overlooked say on the side
the street, on the side of the entrance to the courtyard and
Since the window still glitching in
closing I would have liked that my room had
gratings.
QUESTION – because he did not feel safe?
ANSWER – Yes, I didn't like how close.
QUESTION – elsewhere, finally we can clarify what
It happened that day, on November 2 with the famous
computer. Her first questions and then to subsequent
questions of the lawyer by his widow said this
computer had been taken away from her just then
day.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – can you explain well then she came?
REPLY – I when we were told we should have gone
at police headquarters, obviously to give our statements,
I wanted to take away the computer due to the fact
that I used it inside the hard drive there were
documents of interest to me, not only for personal,
Basically it was because beyond say files
personal computers contained, there were also
study issues related files and then I wanted it
take away.
QUESTION – Then she entered the room?
ANSWER: Yes, and I got it.
Question – how did, i.e. She came?
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REPLY – I got it from ... Being that the computer will
was inside a computer bag, I
got it and I put it in the car.
QUESTION – Then she opened this door computer?
ANSWER – No, I picked up my bag, I took my bag and I
put her in the car.
QUESTION – Then after this computer was delivered to
someone?
ANSWER: Yes, because ... So he stayed in the car of Marco
I think for a good little while we were at police headquarters in
make summary information, can't remember exactly
as it turned out the fact that I had taken the
computer, but when the Lords of
Police noticed, i.e. they learned of this
what they asked him to go get it and they did submit, I
They said that too was subjected to seizure as ...
QUESTION – was seized this computer?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – is there a writ of attachment that they did?
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Maresca-President has already responded,
We are at the end of the exam.
QUESTION – this is a cross examination.
PRESIDENT: Yes, but let us not make the same questions already
placed on the window lattices.
QUESTION – on the window I objected.
REPLY – I was told that I couldn't take away the
computer because it was seized as well as throughout the
the rest of the House, so I could not take it away and
had to remain in their custody.
QUESTION – and then she handed to anyone, police post
or flying squad? The police station or the police? In
who gave, in which Office he took it?
REPLY – the Office of the third floor of police headquarters.
QUESTION – has resulted in the flying squad.
ANSWER – Yes.
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QUESTION – was returned?
REPLY – the day December 18.
QUESTION: you first told us that this computer was broken,
had the broken hard drive, this hard drive was
broken in headquarters or was broken before?
ANSWER – No, when the computer was brought to the police station
We tried, we opened and we tried to turn it on, do not
lit, they called a technician and tried to use the
operating system inside your computer, the system MS-
DOS and even that way he could turn on the
computer and told me it was broken, then later on, the
Day 18 December I was given back together, as I
said, with other personal belongings, as a result of
instance of the release that we presented to the
Public Prosecutor, and later took him to other
technicians to try to retrieve data, at least in
How still it was new, it was a new handset and
several technicians that took the most stubborn
Let's say you tried to retrieve it he told me that the computer
He had suffered a big impact and that the hard drive had gone
in the flick.
DEFENCE – OPP. GHIRGA
QUESTION – complete reasoning for witness and for the
Court that has left the lawyer Bongiorno, namely that
evening that day, no one knows when, access the
heads in Via della Pergola with two names has them
facts, Napoleons and Zugarini, she pointed to question
our President and counterparties which was
in the kitchen because he checked the knives, is right
This?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – was in his room ...
REPLY – I didn't ...
QUESTION – a moment, was Laura's room?
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ANSWER – on the threshold.
PRESIDENT – If we can ask the question Lawyer instead of
summarize the answers.
REPLY – I was on the threshold of the room are not
entry ...
QUESTION – on the threshold of which room?
ANSWER – in my room, on the threshold of the room of
Laura.
QUESTION – second question: was in Laura's room?
ANSWER – no, Inside the doorway.
QUESTION – it went into the big bathroom?
REPLY – even there we entered, since the bathroom ... The bathroom
so-called big ...
QUESTION – I asked her if she entered the large bathroom?
ANSWER: Yes, I got into the big bathroom.
QUESTION – To do that?
ANSWER – to see and. .. In the bathroom there was a knife
kitchen that was found and asked why there was
This knife in the bathroom and we explained that it was
used to dissolve mud baths that we had ...
QUESTION – I, it is said that in the minutes of the 7
November 2007 which we call the acquisition,
question answers, always formulated by others,
Flying squad "in the days to follow – so from 2 to 7
We don't care – when I went out with the cops
Court at the scene in order to verify
If there are knives in the home – and this we
already dealt with – I noticed that in the larger bathroom, where is
the washing machine, inside of the latter were
These cloths not mine ", no mention of knife
Mrs. Then he saw the washer, saw the clothes,
question, yes he said they weren't his, right?
REPLY – I saw clothes Yes and I knew they weren't my
because I hadn't loaded the washing machine.
QUESTION – No No, she entered the large bathroom?
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ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – opened the washer?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – to say that the shoes are not yours, wonder how he
done, from the window, I don't know, maybe.
REPLY – asked if the shoes were my I replied ...
QUESTION – I Reread President ...
PRESIDENT – excuse me, please, let's finish.
REPLY – I was asked: "are they your clothes?" "No."
PRESIDENT – But they did see these garments?
REPLY – the police station they show yourself, physically
one by one I saw them at police headquarters, took them inside
a lot ...
PRESIDENT – at that time entering the bathroom porthole, li
also saw on that occasion?
ANSWER: Yes, I remember that I had seen that the washer was
charge.
PRESIDENT – was turned down?
ANSWER – Yes, off, load in the sense of full.
PRESIDENT – Though garments, shoes made them see
one by one the police station?
ANSWER – Yes.
PRESIDENT – And at that time she could see giving
the response before data. I pray we can Attorney
continue.
QUESTION – Echo the question. She entered the bathroom great, Yes,
He saw the clothes in the washer, Yes. How did
see them, he said at police headquarters.
PRESIDENT – excuse me please, the cloths as he saw them, he turned them
visas ...
REPLY – I watched them from the window.
PRESIDENT – Sorry Lawyer, saw them from the window and
The police maintained that identification of cloths,
Please move on.
QUESTION thank you, saw them from the window and
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subsequently identified them to the police station?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – But immediately excludes that are his and
Laura Mezzetti, as it does, from the window? On this date 7 says
"I am neither my nor of Laura", then the window had
Since the role ...
PRESIDENT – all right, lawyer if can give reading step
the dispute with an indication of the date of
verbal.
QUESTION – Then again, 7 November 2007 question answers,
What to do with the judicial police in that
Home "I noticed that in the larger bathroom, where it is located
the washing machine, inside of the latter were present
not my cloths. Similarly I can rule out that
they were of Laura as the latter being the match ... "
etc., etc..
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack-in fact had left.
QUESTION – Then you from portholes ...
PRESIDENT – she managed to figure out that they weren't his customers
clothing from the window in that circumstance?
REPLY – So at that time we were ... We noticed that
the washing machine was loaded with clothes, there
asked if they were our own and the answer was no. Was no in
due to the fact that each washing the cloths on behalf
her, it could happen sometimes that maybe we could
shuffling shoes, like me and Laura or me and Meredith, but
This was done only by mutual agreement. I do not I loaded
No washing machine, Laura uploaded any washing machine before
of 1 November and because of this I said, no,
the shoes aren't mine. When we went to the police station and there I
they see one by one the cloths, I recognized many
some of these like the shoes belonging to Meredith.
Some of the shoes contained anyway in the washer does not
I was able to recognize them.
QUESTION – Then I heard before this report 7
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November at 11.30, moreover, would have been subscribed
After the first logon in Via della Pergola, IE not li
they did immediately, or remember correctly or I said ...
ANSWER – No, after.
QUESTION – here we are at 7 November at 11.30 and speaks of
the shoes, then the shoes, I avoid when I comment on
answers, of course, the role has seen them before
sign this, when you saw them?
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Maresca-President but has already answered,
He already answered that we don't know the date ...
PRESIDENT – please ...
QUESTION – then there would be a limit to everything, please.
PRESIDENT – Asks the lawyer this report was drafted.
ANSWER-after the entrance of the House.
PRESIDENT – the garments were shown, compared to
subscribing to that report at the time, when
signed that report? When it was shown, in
that meeting, on 7 November.
QUESTION – at 11.30. Doesn't know.
PRESIDENT – I don't remember.
QUESTION – why more recovering a previous answer,
so we talk about the famous knife in annex,
or you mention that ... My mistake, you talk
access to check if no knife was
missing, the question is this: when entered into a
minutes in which he said that no knife was missing?
PRESIDENT – has already responded.
QUESTION – Feel because now I found another verbal and
so the help. Then enter a date earlier than
7, at 7 a.m. to 11.30 sign the minutes, a part
knife and a part control covers
the washing machine, forget the washer, back to
control of knives. This isn't about any stuff
knives, demand ...
PRESIDENT – in the minutes of the November 7.
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QUESTION – I ask to attach, I ask you, since they were
get a hangover so to speak, both for the access
knife, for the washing machine we mentioned that ... Not
matter. A protocol enshrining her memory that does not
No knife was missing in the home by way of
Bower recalls how ... He made so many of the minutes, he
right when he signed?
ANSWER – No, I don't remember the exact day.
QUESTION – Then I read the minutes, 15 November 2007
13.30, which I always ask to attach, to question answered,
If I can read, even though the hour is late but
I also understand the weariness "I remember the day when
you made me entrance on Via della Pergola after
the murder of Meredith, I found that lacked
No knife between the tools that we use "15
November 2007.
PRESIDENT – it may have been that the date on which ...
ANSWER – Yes Yes Yes.
QUESTION – I wonder ...
REPLY – I confirm, look Mr. President I have much more
confidence of the minutes that I signed up for the simple fact
at that time, even at the suggestion of
The police station, I tried really to remember step
pass, and then ...
PRESIDENT – calls for the acquisition of these records and then you
will have on them, as on others that have so far
been offered to capture. There are no other
questions? We consider anyway for all the questions already
Poste.
DEFENCE – OPP. THE WIDOW
QUESTION-a confirmation, when she was called in
The police station and they showed these garments of which
We were talking before, who was present and remember if you have
signed a Protocol on this?
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REPLY – I remember there was, I can't remember the name, a
agent of the SCO, the SCO Group, a gentleman with
white hair, can't remember the name.
QUESTION – and the second part signed a report?
REPLY – I suppose so, I look at the whole sequence of
verbal and I signed I don't remember well, but yes, I
signed ... I remember that made me sign in
that time when I saw the clothes certainly,
right after I signed another record, in
check out the shoes I remember his presence except
Incidentally or accidentally passed remained even Dr.
Profazio, but then all agents, i.e. all subjects
Maybe I met on that occasion them names
Remember, I remember well the Lord of SCO, I can
describe how a gentleman with white hair ...
QUESTION – all right, are you sure those clothes, those
garments were those who were in the washer, it
He had already seen earlier?
REPLY – I have been presented as such so. ..
QUESTION – were dry, were in an envelope, were ...
REPLY – Were in an envelope type black envelope
garbage.
QUESTION – were so many?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – 20 – 30 – 50?
REPLY – were a laundry.
QUESTION – Thanks. Look back to the issue of the computer, I
I just needed some clarification, she falls into
House, picks up the computer, put it in the car, then
someone says that computer must be
made available ...
REPLY – is impounded, he said "Miss the
computer is seized, he can bring, the
must leave because she could not carry off of
House and home by now is seized,
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then we have to look as if it is still
inside the House, he never removed, I may fall
in possession ".
QUESTION – This is unclear, though she at one point she says
I turned on the computer in the police station.
ANSWER – Yes, it was evening, I speak afternoon – evening.
QUESTION – more or less, the 8, 10?
REPLY – I don't know look I am entering the first
afternoon to the police station and I went out in the morning
next time.
QUESTION – and already the computer didn't work.
REPLY – it was evening.
QUESTION – didn't work.
ANSWER – No No, we tried to turn it on at least out of curiosity.
QUESTION – when was the last time you remember that this
computer work or who used it?
REPLY – so I used at work week
same, I brought from home study.
QUESTION – that worked?
ANSWER – Yes Yes.
QUESTION: so when she brought the computer home
It was working?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – do you remember where you put it or where the
would normally?
REPLY – I changed the location, depending on whether you should
use for work or to write, or to feel the
music I'd put them on the desk, but on that occasion
I let him shut in the laptop bags because
I knew I wouldn't have used it, I brought it from
work, then from work I took with the bag and
I left it in the bag.
QUESTION – but at home then using your computer?
ANSWER – all we had computers at home.
QUESTION – then using the computer?
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ANSWER – Yes Yes, but each had its staff.
QUESTION – is clear. There was free internet?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – How did you get mail or surf
the Internet?
REPLY – everyone will mend as she could, going in
Internet point.
QUESTION – Look I just wanted to get back to this assessment
the failure.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – I.e. she discovers on the evening of 2 ...
REPLY – it doesn't work anymore.
QUESTION – That his computer is not working. It is surprising because
She was the last who used it before
work, has set itself the problem, he says, "but how come,
someone has tampered with ".
ANSWER – No, I tried to turn it on, because I said "well,
at least we see it works, we're almost there ". I wanted to see
If ... Because since that wasn't the location where
I left ...
QUESTION – so the question should have been spontaneous
"But how come you broke", if he was at home, I used
the other day, I put it there, he used none.
REPLY – I. ..
PRESIDENT – sorry, but he found himself in the same position
where you left it?
ANSWER – No, I found it moving.
PRESIDENT – found it moved.
QUESTION – found it moved. Exactly can be more
precise, what do you mean, stood on a table and then
found on the floor or stood in a room or stood
another room?
REPLY – Was, I left it somewhere in the room and
I found it in another place.
QUESTION: can you be more precise?
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PRESIDENT – I.e. where you left and where you found it?
On the bed ...
REPLY – I let him near the bed and found him on the floor.
QUESTION – on the ground.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – can be fallen out of bed?
ANSWER – Don't let him on the bed, I may have explained
wrong, I let him leaned always inside the bag
computer near the bed and then I found him on the ground,
due to it being moved I asked to turn it on to see
If it worked yet.
QUESTION – Then She leaned on a surface
above the floor?
PRESIDENT – excuse me when he says near the bed which means,
above the bed, next to the bed, on a chair near
the bed? Where was he, where did he leave you?
REPLY – She pictures a suitcase, a Briefcase, images
the Briefcase can stand by itself, then in
vertical feet near the bed and found it lying down.
PRESIDENT – on the same side, close?
RESPONSE – Always within the room but no longer in
feet.
QUESTION – When then returned the Pc on 18
December, who has returned to the police station or the police
Post?
ANSWER – there were the gentlemen at the police post.
QUESTION – do you remember who?
ANSWER – all subjects, most?
QUESTION – If you remember the name and whether there were more people there may
tell you how many people too?
REPLY – I remember Madam Monica Napoleoni, mi
memory of Lorena Zugarini, I remember the agent
Stefano Gubbins, I remember another agent that I
often seen though I didn't know the name, but since you
I've seen it many times in my return to the police station.
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QUESTION – Sorry President if I insist on this subject but
you know that there was an incident on the other evidentiary
computer so this is a bit of information that for us
We learned today becomes an object ...
PRESIDENT – is responding in fact.
QUESTION – why I thought you were tediando the classroom with this
my insistence, but is nothing new for us is new and
We have to find out.
PRESIDENT – Please.
QUESTION – when in fact I returned she
rekindled the computer, tried to see if it worked?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – and the result which it was?
REPLY – it wasn't working.
QUESTION – and what the officials said, says us
We did an investigation?
ANSWER – Yes, the technician said that it doesn't work.
QUESTION – There were no signs of damage on the computer?
ANSWER – No, thank God those not, because the bag being
very thick and very coarse he protected.
QUESTION – and those who made the diagnosis, if at all,
reason of the rupture, the failure so
how ...
REPLY-then the night the computer the night
I had to make the computer to the police I was introduced
a technician, a computer expert, a technician
computer scientist.
QUESTION: who did show up? The Police Station?
REPLY – The Police Headquarters. They said this is our
technician ...
QUESTION – this is our engineer.
REPLY – this is our computer technician, try
He manages to turn it on.
QUESTION – our computer technician, i.e. the police headquarters has
suggested that she used an expert to ascertain the
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because ...
ANSWER – because I couldn't turn it on.
QUESTION – but she had already released, the computer was
already been returned officially?
ANSWER – No, then maybe we're making a mess because
I'm referring always ... I would like to be precise in
sense that I refer always to the period of time that
I went to the police station from 2 November to 3 November morning.
I right now I'm talking about that period of time
there. Then when the computer came
Returns the day December 18, I already knew from before
that didn't work, so I took it from other technicians.
QUESTION – is clear, that I wanted to know, thanks. Listen to her
Today it has lost all the data on that machine?
ANSWER – No, I managed to find a technician that is
managed to fix me the harddrive and has saved me
data, I replaced the hard drive ...
QUESTION – has replaced the hard drive?
ANSWER: Yes, and I also expanded the Ram.
QUESTION – did he say why there had been that failure to
operation, what was the technical reason other than this
hypothesis of a shot that you said, would take the
computer. An electric shock says, please note ...
ANSWER – No, because I tell the truth this gentleman that I was
fixed the computer ...
PRESIDENT – As it is called, if I may say.
ANSWER – No, I don't know him personally, he was a gentleman who
He knew one of the lawyers in the study where I am, I
He said "Let's try this ladies maybe you can
help ", he held about three months and after three months a
day called me, he said "I have your data" and
then ...
QUESTION – and thus confirmed that there was no problem
of the hard disk.
ANSWER – he said, Yes, there had been a problem in the circuit.
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QUESTION – electrical, electronic?
ANSWER: Yes, however broadly confirm the fact of
flick.
PRESIDENT – he say so?
ANSWER – Yes.
PRESIDENT – there we return, please lawyer.
QUESTION – So I wanted to only conclude on this
point ...
REPLY – Now the computer works.
QUESTION – we are all happy. She however returning in the evening
of 2, as soon as she realized that the computer does not
work on the evening of 2, came mind "Mah,
someone has tampered with, someone has broken "at the bottom
She has brought the computer in the room and she is the computer
picked him up in the same room, how come you broke
This computer? She thought maybe ...
ANSWER – no, that night that evening I sincerely
other concerns.
QUESTION – I Guess.
PRESIDENT – but nevertheless are given the heads
on the computer, data targets ...
REPLY – that night honestly the computer was no longer
My only problem.
PRESIDENT – agree.
QUESTION – and also the next technician has never suggested a
tampering?
ANSWER – No, they told me that it was a hit.
QUESTION – perfect, thanks. Look another clarification: you
using a washing machine I guess there was a
drying room in the House.
ANSWER – A clothes horse, Yes.
QUESTION – and the normal ones, that fold?
REPLY – Those that open lets say ...
QUESTION – is it possible that the same drying room the same
now there were more clothes ...
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ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – At The Same Time?
ANSWER – Yes Yes.
QUESTION – The drying room usually where he was?
ANSWER – sometimes on sunny days was on the terrace,
otherwise we kept it in front of the door Windows of
terrace.
QUESTION – Then the garments were of different girls
on the same drying rack at the same time, maybe
wet or dry for a certain period of time?
ANSWER – Yes Yes.
QUESTION – a fact that we don't have
I think she analyzed after it was found
corpse at some point in the afternoon decides to make
a phone call to the victim's boyfriend, James
Silences.
REPLY-I'm sorry but I have to correct, then in
the moment I realized the seriousness of the fact I called
First, the Lawyer in the study where
do I practice.
QUESTION – This Lawyer Zaccaccia.
REPLY – Zalani. Also because my family is
700 kilometres away.
QUESTION – we understand perfectly.
REPLY – and then working with him say that is
the normal instinct. Then I had to call
Obviously Laura to tell her to come back and since I knew
the boys were supposed to return that day I
It seemed appropriate to communicate to them the fact that
had happened, having no but I no phone number
of neighbors, I asked Amanda if kindly
could give someone's number and she gave me the
number of James and then I called James that if
I think I said he was to return, or was already in
trip, however, was that the day had
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said they'd be back.
QUESTION – do you remember more or less what time on the afternoon of
He made this call?
REPLY – I called James before going to the police station.
QUESTION – and then?
ANSWER – in the courtyard.
QUESTION – At 5 to 6?
ANSWER – No, we always talk between 13.00 and 14.00 of the
2 November.
QUESTION – But someone suggested to call James
Silences?
ANSWER – No No.
QUESTION – it was his initiative?
ANSWER – Yes Yes, I called him.
QUESTION: you have felt that being the guy. ..
ANSWER – No.
PRESIDENT – We are answers, that's asked of
numbers and Amanda Knox gave her ...
REPLY – I asked for a phone number,
a nobody, I didn't have the numbers of boys.
PRESIDENT – Yes Yes, was clear.
QUESTION – had not tried ...
ANSWER – No, indeed I weighed a lot having to
warn him.
QUESTION – I can imagine. Look another clarification: you
When you have decided to break down the door, is actually
was she who took the lead in saying to the two
guys "go ahead", after he had asked to do so
do the officers present.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – she has remained, said before, surprised
that the two have replied "No, it's not our
competence. "
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – do you remember if Battistelli called, did
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a few calls at that time to see if
the Office was aware of what was
going on?
REPLY – I remember that he spoke on the phone, but I don't know
temporal scanning when, before, after, no, but
I remember the phone ... phone, Yes.
QUESTION – before or after she asked you to throw down the
door?
ANSWER – No, I don't remember.
QUESTION-Only clarification I would have done it already before,
the lawyer Zalani at some point come from?
ANSWER – Yes, I called him.
QUESTION – what time is?
RESPONSE – Always between 13.00 and 14.00, just because it was
Studio.
QUESTION – what ...
REPLY – the firm is near, then came right away.
First he tried to calm down because I was under
shock so I said "calm down, what happened?"
and I told him, I kept saying "he had 22 years
Lawyer, had 22 years I can't believe had 22
years ". The lawyer said: "calm down, try to stay
quiet, now you have to go to the police station, looking for
peace of mind because now you have to help them. "
QUESTION – the last question, returning to the speech of the
computer she at one point said here does not enter
No one, and then you went all out, but then she
She returned and took his computer.
REPLY – under the guise of scholarship.
QUESTION – and the excuse of scholarship and I think the jacket
his clothes?
ANSWER – No, no, I was all over me, I
removed ever.
Question-someone took the other computers in that
juncture?
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ANSWER – No, I don't think so.
QUESTION – thank you very much.
PRESIDENT
QUESTION – just some little things that I was pinned while
She responded to questions that were asked. In
call you with Amanda Knox, you are the 2
November at the fair of the dead, we are before
noon, just know of the news ...
REPLY – after noon.
QUESTION – Yes, just got news that says the door is open,
These aspects that concern a bit, she asks
Amanda, she tells her "listen Meredith" and asks also
Sollecito Raffaele?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – Dunning Raffaele makes no mention?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – Meredith phones her to know they had the
ringtone, then were lit with the ringtone, they had the
vibration?
REPLY – the vibration if I'm not mistaken.
QUESTION – Had both the vibration, not played
ever?
ANSWER – No, I think that English had often
Flip, I don't remember a particular ringtone
on the mobile phones of Meredith though I remember you
shone and vibrated.
QUESTION – the English one and the other?
REPLY – I don't remember.
QUESTION – I've never heard them play?
REPLY – I don't remember.
QUESTION – the vibration is sure they had it.
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – do you remember sometimes that Meredith has closed
lock the door of his room?
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ANSWER – No, for example, since just before these events
I had a bit of a sore throat ...
QUESTION – why she first reported disputing a bit
that answer played from Amanda Knox
that said, she says, "But no ...".
ANSWER – in the days before I had a little headache
throat and Meredith had the tablets for sore
throat, but British, and type Benagol once told me "But
pick one, go to "take, there was the
problem of saying "wait till I open", so I am
gone, I took it out.
QUESTION – sometimes found it closed this door?
ANSWER – No.
QUESTION – I found it never closed. Yesterday on hearing one of the texts
Zahrani Marco we heard spoke you were
together, he was there and you were there and even Paula and has
reported that the girls were asking Filomena e Paola
Why were questions about the sex life of
Meredith, she remembers this and the answer that you
Raffaele Sollecito had by at least as much as from
This deposition.
REPLY – If ... Apologies, I see if I understand the
question, you're asking if the moment we
walked into the police station, during that time.
QUESTION – after the fact ...
REPLY – Even over the next few days.
QUESTION – Even over the next few days.
ANSWER – Yes, they asked me if I was aware we say of
the intimate life of Meredith and I said that too much no,
I wasn't aware, we had never entered the
detail.
QUESTION – and about why she is news of some
detail, some element provided in particular by
Raffaele Sollecito?
REPLY – I don't remember.
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QUESTION – If he made reference to Vaseline?
REPLY – I remember the police station, it seems to me that the police station
or outside the police station, however in the following days,
Once Raphael said they found the body covered
vaseline, to that sentence.
QUESTION – can you say when you said this?
ANSWER – No, I don't remember.
QUESTION – Amanda's First catch anyway?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – First?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – Then she first reported that news
fragmentary that Amanda Knox gave her in that phone call
of 2 November, open door, glass, window does not
They quieted down, no way, so much so that
not convinced. In relation to this and
species to find then Meredith's body without
life, tried to rebuild with Amanda Knox a bit
movements?
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – the latest happenings, he never asked ...
ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – when was the last time you saw
Meredith?
ANSWER – No, the last time you saw Meredith I
I remember telling, though I try to
Remember step by step what you did when you are
came home because they did not have noticed ...
QUESTION – When you're home on the morning of 2?
ANSWER – on the morning of 2.
QUESTION – backward from the evening ahead?
ANSWER – No, I don't think we ever come back,
We later ...
QUESTION – I.e. you didn't ask for it on to Amanda Knox "But
the last time you saw Meredith when it was "or
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Raffaele Sollecito, I don't know if, in either of them.
REPLY – I think I have asked and the answer was
always ...
QUESTION – questions were ...
ANSWER: I think the 1 it seems to me, the 1 was the last time ...
QUESTION – what did he?
REPLY – I can't remember exactly. He told me that you were
say hello to it, had gone out to see some friends,
but then basically in next time
I met Amanda on point was trying to figure out how it was
entrance House that morning because indeed had
of anomalies.
QUESTION – one last aspect window, compared
the ground that height, that difference is there between window and
outside the grounds?
REPLY-then the window of that ...
QUESTION – of his room.
ANSWER – what was my room ... You do not
looked straight on the courtyard level, under
the window was there as some kind of endorsement with Brambles,
Couch grass, there was an endorsement and then the endorsement showed the
rest of the courtyard adjoining the House itself.
QUESTION – sorry, the question because she says I did not feel
quiet, it was easy for someone through that
window enter his house?
REPLY – you had to definitely jump.
QUESTION – Jump to cover the difference or to cover the
distance metric, in short, horizontal or both
things?
REPLY – both things.
QUESTION – and can quantify how many ... No, I can tell.
This window is also visible from the roadway?
ANSWER – Yes, the gate of the Court, the gate is
highly visible.
QUESTION – from the gate, which lies beneath the main road?
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ANSWER – Yes.
QUESTION – all right. Those who had tried to enter from the outside
through this window in his room it was possible
It was seen from the road?
ANSWER – Yes.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno Mr President on his questions ...
QUESTION – Please.
DEFENCE – OPP. BONGIORNO
QUESTION – under his window and under the ...
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Maresca-I oppose President. Then the
We can do ourselves.
PRESIDENT – Of Course.
QUESTION – is envisaged by the code.
PRESIDENT – of course, limited to these questions even
Parties may ask questions.
QUESTION – President she has introduced the theme of the window,
under her window, there is another window with the
grates that can be a ladder for those salt? This
palazzino, mentioned by the Chairman,
under her window ...
REPLY – if there is another window under ...
QUESTION-Remember ...
ANSWER – Yes there is another window.
QUESTION – and remember that this window under her window
She grates?
ANSWER: Yes, if I'm not mistaken he grates.
QUESTION – thanks to this.
PROSECUTOR-DR. MIGNINI
QUESTION – I wanted to ask another question.
PRESIDENT – Always on these last questions.
QUESTION – Yes, the Amanda ...
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – opposes it.
QUESTION – advocate Bongiorno talked about a window with
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Lattice, there are doors with grates or other Windows with
gratings, we describe, tell us where they are.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – we're off topic President.
QUESTION – No, there's the window with grate ...
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – because here ...
PRESIDENT – The application concerned only the
heads.
QUESTION – why Windows with grateful there are ...
PRESIDENT – No, for access in room ...
QUESTION: Yes, but there are different and so the problem ...
However, how high is the difference in height, the ground floor
the valley say, relative to the window and
respect ...
ANSWER – to say.
QUESTION – to how many meters?
REPLY – 2 meters, more, honestly I don't remember
with exactness, though it's nice up.
PRESIDENT – Then we will have the pictures. If there are no other
questions, we can dismiss the heads, but before
lay off the heads of these instances of
acquisition, but there is also another on
returning objects that are received either by the
the heads that today we examined ... The Audience
The Ministry had already given on these refunds.
Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – favourable opinion.
PRESIDENT – The Parties? These are the ones we put in
disposal.
Speech – But also includes the return of the property?
ANSWER – No, we ask simply that there are
returned other personal items.
PRESIDENT – I thought the parties had had ... Is already in
stationery from 11 November. While the parties
take vision of those instances, on production ...
Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – there is no
opposition.
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PRESIDENT – there is no opposition, then you
acquire acts on consent of all parties to
referred to today's audience was requested the acquisition.
To continue we would at least run out
comparisons.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – if others don't know.
If we agree the other texts we can return them.
PRESIDENT – Yes, for one of the subsequent hearings already indicated
and this day we dedicate ourselves, the residual time to
comparisons already prepared.
Defence – Opp. Ghirga – we agree.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – on this instance obviously we would not
We have no problem whatsoever with regard to the
items of a personal nature, the only problem
We shall be the place where they are, because they are still
in the House, because as you know one of the objects of the
process is the (...), if it were possible to establish
How to return to enable our
technicians to be present, so since I'm
in the House that is still subject to seizure, and saw
that is a controversial subject.
Defence – Opp. The widow-we agree because precisely
the definition here is very general, in
bed, in the kitchen, in the bathroom in the hallway and then not
are precisely defines the blankets, pillows,
shoes, lamps, wardrobes, lamps, cd, Dvd, we would
just be present, that's all.
ORDINANCE
The Assize Court, on the application made by Filomena Romanelli
by release of the objects specified in the instance
on 11 November 2008 showing the date object, see the
favourable opinion expressed by prosecutors,
considered that in accordance with that opinion and not being
highlighted no need indicating the need
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keep kidnapping requested objects
restitution, considered jurisdiction in
relating to the phase of the process, having regard to article 263
welcomes the instance proposed by Filomena Romanelli in
date 11 November 2008 and ordering repayment to
same items shown in this instance; proxy for
run the road team of Perugia after
communication to the parties on the day of execution, so
to enable the same to be present if the
require. Send to the registry as of
competence for alerts.
PRESIDENT – is also the same content on the application for
Laura Mezzetti. The witness is dismissed. We will have a
suspension.
The hearing is suspended.
The hearing resumes.
PRESIDENT – it is recognised that are introduced into the classroom
texts for today quoted and featured Ballard Stefano Dario,
Giacomo silences and Pinned Carabinieri Carr
Daniel. It makes them aware that since the examination of the
heads this morning felt has extended beyond the
time, it is not possible, taking into account
the incumbent last placed and which today must be
completed, it is not possible for now the examination of
same, to recur for the date of 14
February 2009 in this very House, ore 9.00 without
other communication, so they are advised to reappear
to date, this is worth communicating orally
date, there will be more alert. Thank you. We can
get to compare Battistelli Michael and Luke
Altieri.
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COMPARISON OF THE TEXTS – MICHELE BATTISTELLI AND ABBE
PRESIDENT – the texts will post a prominent notice that is in continuation,
albeit in different investigations Act, the
testimony from the same yield, are always required
to tell the truth, they are also public at this stage
officers as they were when they made
testimony regardless of qualification that
working in institutional activity you have,
for this activity, public officials and then required to
to tell the truth. The comparison was placed on
the request of the public prosecutor's Office, after hearing
the other parties, in connection with conflicts, so I
appeared in the declarations made by you especially
Battistelli said that has not entered the room
where was Meredith, saw the foot that
protruded, the duvet that covered her, of blood clots
the blood and never entered the room. The heads Abbasi has
remembered on this aspect, on this occasion, he
given different exposure he had news
the entrance ...
ALTIERI LUCA – No, I saw.
PRESIDENT – I saw, I was at the news was more neutral,
seeing that Battistelli made entry into the
room. Maybe post on this each of the two texts
say and then say, let's see. Go ahead Altieri.
ALTIERI LUCA – President as I said yesterday when
I bust the door all you are
hurried out of the House and I'm left to
a few extra seconds at the door of the gate of
room where I saw him enter the Inspector Battistelli that
as I always said yesterday it came to the part where
was the victim's head and saw the gesture of
bend down to lift the Duvet, I think rightly
to determine death too I mean at that instant
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I realized I was about to raise the duvet
I rushed out too.
PRESIDENT – do you remember what you said on the point
yesterday ...
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – absolutely and I confirm it.
President-notes ...
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – were all taken outside of
House, since then no longer walked nobody.
PRESIDENT – So she did ...
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Absolutely.
PRESIDENT – has lifted the duvet.
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I'm not really entered into the
room, I watched for 30 seconds what was
in it from outside the room and then got
on the phone, my colleague was out to identify all
These guys.
PRESIDENT – as she stared in these 30 seconds the
other boys saw ...
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – they were accompanied
out, then now if they came out precipitously,
This I can't confirm, however have been
all taken outside.
PRESIDENT – do you know if someone has watched while she, that is
in these 30 seconds remained in front of ...
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – This I don't tell myself
overlooking for a moment when I realized
the situation I put myself on the phone.
PRESIDENT – This I looked you can specify
better?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I was out of the room, there you know
the door out. Outside. I have only watched
inside. My colleague there, he thought of
take out ...
ALTIERI LUCA – can I ask a question? Though I don't know if I
a position to ask questions, IE I
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ask why the Inspector Battistelli concluded that
under that duvet there was a dead body? Why not a
unconscious person to a loss of blood, so why
was not called a possible emergency ambulance
When his death was just a
supposition.
Prosecutor-Dr. comfy-is a question
inadmissible by the heads submitted ...
ALTIERI LUCA – I am thinking in the sense ...
PRESIDENT – sorry, but ...
ALTIERI LUCA – since I came for an ambulance, but
Let's say a Wheel ...
PRESIDENT – But regardless of this ...
ALTIERI LUCA – No, I'm saying this because I have seen, this is just a
consideration ...
PRESIDENT – you confirm you saw him?
ALTIERI LUCA – sure, sure.
PRESIDENT – Then that movement has done, if I may ...
ALTIERI LUCA – Look like I said again, he entered
leaving on the left with the duvet.
PRESIDENT – excuse me, breaks down the door, the door that end
ago?
ALTIERI LUCA – No, casca, opens.
PRESIDENT – Then the door opens.
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes.
PRESIDENT – Remains wide open for all its breadth or in
Part I don't know.
ALTIERI LUCA – seems wide open, I don't know.
PRESIDENT – I do not know ...
ALTIERI LUCA – No, it gave us a chance to see
across the room the door opening.
President-(voices).
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes Yes.
PRESIDENT – So is so wide the view, what do you do?
ALTIERI LUCA – I was there, that is again the time to
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What I've seen, so it may be 5 States
seconds, 6 seconds.
PRESIDENT – In these 5 seconds?
ALTIERI LUCA – In these 5 seconds I saw the Inspector
Babu enter the room, leave the corpse
with the duvet on his left, then passing on
right of the room and arrived, he will have done 3 – 4 steps
arrived at the duvet where was the head of the
victim, made the gesture of lowering and pulling up,
then I went out of the room and I don't know what else to
is success.
President-you remember then, witness Battistelli, has
reported to you something of what he had in this
opportunity found, see?
ALTIERI LUCA – but I remember, just remember a telephone call
did Battistelli, I think, now I do not know if the police
or the flying squad, now Commissioner, I do not know,
However the police for that fact that it had been
found a corpse.
PRESIDENT – for this fact, she heard the content
the phone call at least what he was saying
Babu?
ALTIERI LUCA – can't remember verbatim ... In other words, what has
literally said I don't remember, that is messages was the
disclosure of the discovery of the corpse, then ...
PRESIDENT – But that's because the notes view
the immediacy and the succession of the call?
ALTIERI LUCA – If not apparent, whether came to control
as he says has not entered maybe deducted.
President-you the contents of the phone call that Babu
ago, this as she felt somehow,
some words?
ALTIERI LUCA – No, I heard, certainly yes.
PRESIDENT – what she heard, what words?
ALTIERI LUCA – again, I can't remember the words, I
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remember the phone call messages.
President-messages, so this summary.
ALTIERI LUCA – was the report that had been found
This body, and then to have someone come up it was
front thing.
PRESIDENT – on this occasion there was some of the guys
that were present in the House?
ALTIERI LUCA – I couldn't tell you look, I couldn't tell you.
PRESIDENT – In particular perhaps near her.
ALTIERI LUCA – I can't tell.
PRESIDENT – and she knows how to say the scene from her perceived, vista
been to enter by Battistelli in
room, from who else may have been seen, who else
they were ...
ALTIERI LUCA – for me from anybody because I was left alone
in Yes.
PRESIDENT: you have heard.
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I echo what I've laid
Yesterday. I entered ... I don't even have a reason not to
verbalizzarlo possibly I had entered.
PRESIDENT – We take note.
ALTIERI LUCA – I don't have any reason to say something
different from what I've seen, I mean are heads.
PRESIDENT – the comparison is that, it is as the same
even beyond the technicalities of legislation is
a comparison.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – if you can make a
question.
PRESIDENT – Yes, on these issues without bring us back to a
time passed, with contrast emerged between the texts already
reviewed. You are welcome.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini-when Inspector
Battistelli, she said he kicked in the door, she is
left front door, that is practically with the
back to the window, to the terrace.
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ALTIERI LUCA – Yes.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – while the Inspector
would enter and then she came out, because as soon as he
would the ...
ALTIERI LUCA – Made the gesture to turn up.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – did the gesture, she is
come out?
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – and where did he go?
ALTIERI LUCA – Out among the others.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – when she phoned
the Inspector?
ALTIERI LUCA – the Inspector just got out of the House made
the phone call.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – Then she goes out,
the Inspector comes out and then phoning from outside?
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – and what did he say to
phone? Explain what he said.
ALTIERI LUCA – I was already asked, can't remember the text
words, just remember the message.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – I wanted to know, I
understood, because here were made 20-30 questions
on the same subject on which had been made in
earlier, I would also like to try to figure out what
He said, that is "Usually I speak with Dr. Bartolozzi,
We found what? " A corpse, a ...
ALTIERI LUCA – the speech, i.e. I can use
words to bring what I remember being on
message, then if these words are obviously not
text doesn't make sense I say the words ...
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – spoke about a
corpse of a dead body of a woman, what has
said?
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, I think he referred to a
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girl found dead, now if he said dead if he
said corpse or if said ... Yes.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – you said I think
then ...
ALTIERI LUCA – No, I believe than the Textuality of
words, the message is what I repeat do not have any
doubt.
PRESIDENT – agree.
Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – one more question and
enough, her when he left out, then returned to
House?
ALTIERI LUCA – No, absolutely.
Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – When for example
they got those.
ALTIERI LUCA – not once out I no longer set foot
in the House, none of us.
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – if you remember Inspector in
moment that approached at the height of the face of the
corpse, more or less to raise Duvet, so did
a few steps, is right?
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes.
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – Two or three, I guess.
ALTIERI LUCA – three, four maximum.
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – in doing these steps, you have
noticed something peculiar, i.e. There was blood
You told everybody.
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes Yes.
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – so he walked down the
corpse, the manner of walking up to a height
of the face.
ALTIERI LUCA – look at me, that is definitely the blood was on
the right side of the room and the body then in the area
He is past, now if both, i.e. whether it has
precisely placed his feet on blood stains
I can't tell.
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CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Maresca-No No, I have not done this
question, if you have noticed something peculiar while
the Inspector to go forth in substance
along the body, up to the height of the face.
ALTIERI LUCA – No, nothing fancy, what I had
said yes.
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – Thanks.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Inspector, she now said it was
was 30 seconds but at the threshold, it gets 30 seconds
on the threshold?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I looked inside the room to
realize what there was, 30 seconds, 20.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – you said for going out, it was
reported by a witness before, that there would be a
crime, reported this morning a heads.
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Allegedly.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – an alleged crime. In
situation where it was, that is, on the threshold of the door,
She could only see this tarp covered, yesterday said a
White foot, etc., what were the reasons I don't
led it to do what I think is natural,
see if a person is dead or not?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – the reasons that led me to do
that was why I came ... I tried to see
at least if the duvet of saw and the things that I have
misled into thinking that there there was a dead body, was
the color of blood traces that there were
around.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Then you had there been under
a woman fainted, maybe the duvet didn't move the
same, I came the idea that maybe you might not
be dead?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – No.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – She who called for?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – 113.
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Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – though as individuals they then, those
I do not know why health have been established that are
Accorsi, who were they?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – 118 staff, arrived with
the medical car is called that, not in an ambulance but
with a car, apparently because it had already been
warned that there was the discovery of a corpse.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – because the machine that came
that is a finding of corpse, not
ambulance, she knows it.
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – was not an ambulance, was not
an ambulance.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – she didn't have even the slightest
doubt despite not having seen the person who was
need an ambulance.
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I asked the operations room of
send medical staff and colleagues from the team
Mobile, then if an ambulance would arrive, IE not I
asked that specific machine, I asked staff
doctor, then came to.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – since it came out the Inspector in
then the news that was given was a
death, no one has the most talked about ... That is, it was
sure ...
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes Yes Yes.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Thanks I'm done President. The
contrast on cellphones, I don't know whether we should make
This venue.
Defence – Opp. Maori – Inspector you said before answering
an application of advocate Bongiorno who called
for the 113?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes.
Defence – Opp. Maori – also called the Commissioner
Bartolozzi?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes.
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Defence – Opp. Maori – he used the same phone?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes, I think so anyway, to
service.
Defence – Opp. Maori – where did the Commissioner Bartolozzi
called user user or Office, fixed
Mobile?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I don't remember.
Defence – Opp. Maori – Thanks.
PRESIDENT – if there are any other questions on this aspect.
Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – indeed it is actually a question
for both, you were both exactly present
at the time it got kicked down the door, she
Altieri even kicked, she was little
behind this door, when she fell?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – don't fall, you are wide open, I was
at the height of the table in the living room, the guys were ...
Defence – Opp. His widow – and opened to the right or
the left?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – has opened ...
ALTIERI LUCA – opened on the left.
Defence – Opp. His widow – and she remained exactly
in the doorway, didn't even a half step ahead
to see?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – in the room?
Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – Yes.
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I went to the boys and
We sent them all out.
Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – Instead she Abbasi did Middle
step forward because it had ...
ALTIERI LUCA – when the door broke I did
those 30 centimeters over the door and then I withdrew out of the
foot.
Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – is almost fall then?
ALTIERI LUCA – No, I'm simply went over that foot
and then I retired. No, I withdrew my foot for
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pull myself up straight, then before I
knew what there was of the room I heard
Paola's voice screaming with fear in his voice
"A foot".
Defence – Opp. His widow – and saw this foot?
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, there my eyes went on foot, then
After from there, if I'm not mistaken the Inspector Battistelli
just says "gradually, everybody out" and then there I
also last look around the room and saw the
blood on the right and the Duvet, I mean a bit
Let's say I flooring base
view all.
Defence – Opp. His widow – the last question, does anyone have
said "all out".
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes.
Defence – Opp. The widow-it seems to me that you said that yourself.
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes.
Defence – Opp. His widow – and no one ever came of
guys who were out.
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – No.
Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – of the guys that were out.
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – boys don't.
Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – La Filomena, Luke, Mark.
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – are all out, by identifying them
Mr Maddison.
Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – no further questions.
PRESIDENT – We can move on to another topic, but before
pass I wanted to ask: you said you saw
Battistelli raise this duvet.
ALTIERI LUCA – I repeat I saw Inspector Battistelli
Fund raising the Duvet, i.e. in the gesture of, i.e.
When he took the Duvet, if possibly
the raised, as it seemed, I did not see it because
I went away.
PRESIDENT – Then you didn't see, he only saw his foot
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of the person who was under the duvet.
ALTIERI LUCA – coming out from under the duvet.
PRESIDENT – did not see additional parts?
ALTIERI LUCA – No No, body for us came out only on foot.
PRESIDENT – Because the flap of the duvet cover had not been raised,
as far as she could see until she was ...
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes.
PRESIDENT – at the front door. On mobile ...
ALTIERI LUCA – regarding the speech of telephones,
I want to make an introduction and a question for you
Trust mini not phones my speech
witness that I believe to be quite reliable.
PRESIDENT: Yes, that's trustworthiness, she must tell the
truth.
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, I always say, and only the truth. The
premise is this, IE I into coming here today I mean I
asked myself, I brought with me Let's say an attitude
of prevention in relation to a possible induction by
any Lawyer in me to say something
He went beyond my actual memory only. This
attitude that I assumed in complementarity we say
with the pressure of the prosecution's questions,
Lady, meant that I ... The public prosecutor's Office, has
fact that I in this case of the discourse on
misunderstanding of if that phone eventually was
on the table, it was one to which they referred the
Postal officials meant that I incalzassi
against that hypothesis that I misread
This thing. Reflecting on this in retrospect we say
free from this ... I realize that there was a possible,
as he wanted to bring out the Prosecutor,
possible human and misunderstanding of the fact that the
phones that related them was one of
phones eventually places on the table. Besides, I
came back to mind the yellow post-it with the numbers of
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cell phone which I believe I also mentioned in
statement made in December to the Prosecutor.
Then I whipped up on the fact that I
seen and that I was sure of the reference ... That phone,
I step back, I honestly remember
on the table there was at least one cell and put more ...
I.e. I don't want to detract from the fact that the
cell reference ... in the sense that they don't
pointing to this possible cellphone on
table, but phones that probably, as is
was said, had been left at the station.
President-you say you saw ...
ALTIERI LUCA – I question this thing for these
the reasons that I have just exposed.
PRESIDENT – Sorry this reflect on the statements is
been a reflect that she has performed alone.
ALTIERI LUCA – alone, absolutely alone.
PRESIDENT – She said that cell phones had remained in
Police Headquarters.
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I didn't even seen.
PRESIDENT – saw them Not, neither the first nor the second.
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – and nor the second.
President-you started when it was discovered the first
cell phone, had thus subsequently news
second also because unfortunately we do not have the
transcripts and then go a bit in memory and this
is our limit, and probably will be, too
of the other. Then confirm this ...
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes. Mobile phones were one my
private ...
PRESIDENT – on this aspect ...
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, besides, if I may say so, while
the speech of cellphones as I mentioned can be
a possible human misunderstanding of what you
He was saying, what I saw with my own eyes is
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Another thing.
PRESIDENT – in other words, what did you see?
ALTIERI LUCA – I.e. in the sense what we talked about
before you see it go is another thing.
PRESIDENT – that note on note.
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, it's a yellow post-it with two numbers of
cell phone.
President-two numbers?
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes.
President-Two cell phone numbers. This card with
two numbers?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – a card where I wrote
Mrs. numbers ...
PRESIDENT – We take note of these declarations.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – I did not understand, she
He tried to explain why she had said in connection with
cell phones one thing and then today it says no, she
the explained and clarified.
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – I.e. you have put forward, he
invoked reason, which I did not understand, what is
this reason?
ALTIERI LUCA – This we say is something resulting from
Let's say an elaboration of myself and of my career
mental. What happened, if he wants to again ...
PRESIDENT – on these processes.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – just wanted to understand
because.
PRESIDENT – the voltage.
ALTIERI LUKE – why is this attitude for which
I did not want to in any way be induced by
anyone to say something that would go beyond
What I remembered exclusively, so by the time
I have heard and it seems to me that they are many
I perceived the attempt of public prosecutions of
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bring out any possible misunderstanding that
I admit being can I say this,
even unconsciously ...
PRESIDENT – if you have any questions on this aspect. About
phones.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – If I have not heard it wrong, the question
the cellphone he explained ... I wanted to talk about
Note to those two mobile phone numbers, were the two
numbers of the two phones, she said a little while ago ticket
on which were written by hand these two phones?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes, I wrote them by hand.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Mrs. ...
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I remember when I wrote the first
number, which now can not remember that note ...
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Mrs. Lana, who did
wrote the number?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Mrs. Knox.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Yes, these are the numbers that
given the Knox, I say when she went there to say ...
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Ah, there I was ...
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – a card were those written
by Lana these two numbers? By whom were they written?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – No. I don't know, I don't remember if I
I took it as or if I had given
Executive.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – No, but this interests me,
When, that is, were two numbers written
at the same time?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I don't know, I don't remember.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – i.e. If one travels to a place for
do the inspection ...
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Now I don't remember Lawyer, i.e.
We talk about something of a year and a half ago, a
card with two numbers, I don't know if she gave it to me on
officer or if I did I probably had them
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written the Manager and Mrs Lana.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – so they were two numbers written by
someone delivered to you?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Evidently Yes.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – On this ticket, there should
been further changes?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I don't even remember this
ticket to be honest.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – She wrote something on this
ticket?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I don't remember.
PRESIDENT – sorry, perhaps this isn't part though she
brought in Via della Pergola because there was the
loss, the complaint ...
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes, but I'm sure that number EC
I wrote it, but if I wrote it or wrote
someone else I can't remember.
PRESIDENT – how many numbers there were on the ticket with which
She travels on Via della Pergola?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – but I did one in number.
PRESIDENT – the second, the other number?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – the second I couldn't have it.
CONFUSED VOICES IN THE CLASSROOM
PRESIDENT – Just to do some clarity ...
Prosecutor-Dr. Comfortable – Of Public Prosecutions
because he doesn't even remember your ticket.
CONFUSED VOICES IN THE CLASSROOM
Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – objective right
contrast with this thing.
PRESIDENT – so we can declare closed
This looming, maybe the Lord Altieri is
asked to wait a moment. He wanted to ask
something counsel? Always on mobile phones, on the contrast
among them. Altieri said he saw two phones on
table ...
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Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – on this issue I have nothing
to say.
PRESIDENT – Then we use up here, on the ticket, she saw
something, that is if there is no contrast ...
ALTIERI LUCA – were two mobile numbers under each other
written in pen on a yellow post-it.
PRESIDENT – on the same post-it?
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, the same post-it notes.
PRESIDENT – excuse me, She remembers seeing two numbers
mobile phones written on the same post-it?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I don't remember this, remember that
Surely I had the phone number ...
PRESIDENT – can't remember and has seen two. So it is not
There are contrasts, there is one I can't remember and a
exposure of a factual circumstance. We can't
return ...
Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – I'm not coming back
on this topic, I am doing a new issue, if
I would like to briefly explain why I would
take advantage of the fact that here was placed a
comparison and I don't have the transcript, but I go to
memory and I think I remember why it is yesterday's event.
It seems to me that another element of contrast between the two
depositions and the fact that the Battistelli said
He arrived when the four boys were already there
on the House ...
CONFUSED VOICES IN THE CLASSROOM
PRESIDENT – excuse me, please, let it finish and then
possibly ...
Defence – Opp. His widow – but I seem to remember,
Repeat with all the reserves but we are here,
We were all present, we have no record of the proceedings, and instead
the Altieri said that he had arrived first,
together with his friend and later came the
girls. I ask you kindly to the illustrious Highness Court, at
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Mr. President if he wants to consider this element
analysis in comparison since we have the two people
front with different issues as is evident
been discussed, for question now of the two phones and
the entry, I ask only this.
PRESIDENT – sorry about this because we took the
notes but when Battistelli and the other of
Police find only Amanda and Raffaele Sollecito.
Prosecutor-Dr. Comfortable – No, President
the lawyer sinks that's why I am risen,
because I think, excuse me, I think he has Lawyer reportedly
bad condition that it intended to report, or there is
contrast indeed, although it's a contrast so,
between what he said Inspector Battistelli namely
that the four guys came all four together
and the deposition of the four boys who say they are
arrived before the two boys and two girls,
This is the contrast.
PRESIDENT – With a car, two cars.
Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – No, but he said
which Battistelli has come when the four boys
had already arrived, so I'm arose.
PRESIDENT – this is not admitted the question why
We have already and there is no reason to proceed to comparison
under articles 211 and 212. The Lord Altieri
then you put him. You may proceed with the
comparison with Joan garner. He had been admitted between the
Battistelli and Big John, Battistelli and Altieri, between
Altieri and Great Paola.
COMPARISON OF THE TEXTS – MICHELE BATTISTELLI AND GREAT PAOLA –
President-Mr. Battistelli was already notiziato of
nature of the Act, applies this designation for Mrs.
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or Miss Big John, is in continuation of the examination
testimony yesterday made, albeit an activity
technically different, comparison, witness examination, not
but in lay, in responding you continuously to
be witnesses so bound to the commitment already
taken and that is invoked. The comparison, do you
present, to witness Great Paola wraps
in respect of the contrasts in the depositions made that
would surfaced, particularly Battistelli said
not be entered the room occupied by Meredith,
you didn't see what was under the duvet that
It appeared just open your room door broken
same, her large Paola would declare,
parole is that we don't have the transcripts, then
Let's go a bit in memory and on the Clipboard, which
Battistelli comes back and says it has lifted the Duvet,
She was dead, still says that she struggled a lot and
There were handfuls of blood on the walls. You confirm
on this aspect and Battistelli her if she saw him
Enter the room and what he said about this
condition of his ...
GREAT PAOLA – No, I didn't see him enter the room,
However I remember perfectly that Mr. Battistelli
She said she walked in, she was dead and that he had lost
a lot of blood, which had struggled because there were
frogging on the wall and that's it, that's it.
PRESIDENT – if you can still specify when says Babu
these things where you were, who was present, in that
We are part, the starting point is the breakthrough of
door. Then the next steps with a focus on
This particularly refers to the statements of
Battistelli of that situation.
GREAT PAOLA – Practically has been ripped open the door, I am
ran out, we say that the first
person that I remember seeing out was Luke,
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After a while, actually the weather during this period, i.e.
by breaking the door out on time, i.e.
how much time has passed to these events effectively
I can't tell, because it was a very
particular, however the steps I remember them, not
remember the sequence. IE I remember being
exit, I remember seeing Luke and in that half hour,
Surely I heard these words from Mr.
Battistelli and were in the yard and we were all out
from the House. What I can't well to explain is
Since I am out how much time has passed
I heard these words I can't say, I
I remember.
PRESIDENT – near her when Battistelli says these
words who was there?
GREAT PAOLA – Luca.
PRESIDENT – there was Luke, Abbe.
GREAT PAOLA – Abbe because ... That is, I remember it in the sense
because I remember when we were out I was always
next to him, you know.
President-you hear Battistelli speaking these words, the
frogging on the walls ...
GREAT PAOLA – Yes, he's lost a lot of blood, as it was quite
blood in the room.
PRESIDENT – even says I lifted the duvet?
GREAT PAOLA – Yes, also because it is true that I was there when
they opened the door, but I only thing I saw
It was his foot, then the room was in darkness,
so if you were to ask me the details that you
saw the room what? My eyes have
saw a foot, I the fact that there were the frogging
and all this blood and she had died were
words that I heard from Mr. Battistelli when
We were in the yard.
PRESIDENT: you have heard, she said these
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statements, these phrases? If you spoke them?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I don't think.
PRESIDENT – I don't think so, I don't know, isn't it.
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – But I really don't think ... I may have
said that there is a lot of blood, there are streaks, there
signs of a struggle that surely I can have
said.
PRESIDENT – This says?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – can I have definitely said, was
evident.
PRESIDENT – signs of struggle?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes Yes.
PRESIDENT – and what do you say?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI, from streaks of blood that there were,
There were scuff marks on the wall, frogging, you could see it in short,
at least I've interpreted so I, probably
What I said while I was talking on the phone,
Maybe because I think, I mean I said surely
the operator of 113 that the situation was a bit like that.
PRESIDENT – Sorry but these streaks on the walls, these
signs her so interpreted as fighting pulled them
out?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – not that I pulled out, is from
situation, from what I've seen from inside the room.
PRESIDENT – from that observation in 20 – 30 seconds.
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – well, I see a room upside down, all
those traces of blood, I see this foot which is
outside, this person on the ground covered by this Duvet,
traces of blood everywhere.
PRESIDENT – Then blood everywhere saw them,
standing outside the room?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – sure, President, you could see very well.
PRESIDENT – The witness said there was dimness, was
lit up the room?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I could see well enough.
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PRESIDENT – and then she ... But she did not enter, reaffirms
that has not entered ...
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – absolutely not, and I have not touched
anything.
PRESIDENT – Though the statements made, these phrases
He said, blood stains, streaks.
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Certainly.
President-I lifted the duvet this ...
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – But no, because I didn't.
PRESIDENT – had died, this says?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I think so on the phone, Yes. But they are
always my deductions that I did there seeing that
person, foot of that color, in short, I happened to
see them.
PRESIDENT – Then than now the heads,
She denies no I said I lifted the Duvet, but
other things I have said.
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes, Yes, certainly, Yes.
PRESIDENT – arrival of 118 these words
When he would say them?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – When I immediately called the 113.
PRESIDENT – Then the 113 had arrived when she
say them?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – The 118 no, still had not arrived.
PRESIDENT – nobody had not arrived, so the situation
the attendance was unchanged, has remained?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes, they were all out boys
(crosstalk).
President-(voices).
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – Look she saw
Inspector Battistelli when was out phoning?
GREAT PAOLA – No, I don't remember.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – that is, he would have said
these things and then not remember if he called.
GREAT PAOLA – No, I don't remember seeing it at
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phone, however I this premise, in the sense
compared to all this done, since it was
smashed in the door I had half an hour to fix,
i.e. in the sense while the rest always
be very consistent and have a sequence of
flawless events, than this particular I is
as if there I fixed three photographs that do not move,
Luca near me, the words of this Lord of
And we, who are all out and here I am
running, but I can't ... Then I don't remember any more,
not even seeing him on the phone, that is not ...
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – a question
the Inspector, you talked about handfuls of blood, right?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – saw these
manate, saw them in the room?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes there were traces of blood.
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – Where has seen these
frogging?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I even think I saw her on the wall.
PRESIDENT – excuse me, were you handfuls or crawl back and hand? That
What were they?
BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I seemed to crawl back and hand. So.
PRESIDENT – horizontal, vertical, how?
Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – Anyway you
views, she says she's seen standing outside the
door?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes.
PRESIDENT – If there are on this aspect only.
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – a single question, President,
Ms. She said she has pictures
precise, here is the first picture the door is
sfondata e she goes out.
GREAT PAOLA – Yes, I see a foot, I go out, I run.
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – together with whom?
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GREAT PAOLA – I am the first and ahead of me in the hallway is
tight, I can't even remember if there was someone, I
It seems to come out first, behind me in theory
remembering the previous scene there was supposed to be Luke and
I remembered mark. As soon as I exit but it is as if ...
Then the first person I remember seeing is Luke,
but as soon as I got out, that was a little ... I remember
just seeing the first then Luke.
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – the first person behind her
out the front door?
GREAT PAOLA – No, I already then I did a bit a bit more
along the port, and then ...
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – the first person behind her
in the garden is Abbe?
Yes, but not LARGE PAOLA – behind me because when I'm
Here I was a little bent, I ... Luca put me
a hand on my shoulder, I got up and I
faced.
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Maresca-Yes, still comes out immediately
behind her Abbe or after a few seconds?
GREAT PAOLA – Actually I don't know say, because
my image of Luke out, the first person I see
He is, as I may say, is a static thing, is not ... I
I left out then I see Luke, however I don't know
immediately if it's been a minute, right away, that is ... I
for sure this I can't tell.
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – there is a little difference between
a few seconds, a few minutes?
GREAT PAOLA – for me a few seconds immediately, i.e. If one mi
She says if they went 30 seconds, I'd say
now, because to me 30 seconds immediately, but I do not know ...
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – and if it were immediately behind
to her?
GREAT PAOLA – Immediately maybe is like saying that we
left almost together, I don't know, so maybe ...
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CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – I say immediately behind ...
GREAT PAOLA – immediately behind or 30 seconds maybe for me
There is not much difference.
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – Thanks.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – excuse me, Inspector saw that this
duvet cover also the head from what I understand,
She then came out saying there's a crime they killed a
girl, how you could tell he had been killed a girl
If you had seen her face?
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – has already responded.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Sorry, since you responded
will again equal, right?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – If I said possibly have
said one girl was killed is because only I
associated with that room to a girl, okay? If
I said, I'm not even sure if I said
This at this point.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – excuse me then, so far I looked
not disputed that she had come out and said there was a
corpse, that there were signs of a struggle, and it was
for common ground that she was a woman and that was Meredith then
This thing so it was not peaceful.
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – who was down there I didn't know.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – there was a woman she didn't
He knew?
MICHELE BATTISTELLI – But I didn't know who was there.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – excuse me, then of course I must
get ... I would like to ask then to her at this point,
When he left Battistelli actually spoke of a
dead woman or he never mentioned, he said.
She said ... What he said, then if he did or
I can just tell who saw, which had raised
the Duvet, you remember?
GREAT PAOLA – No, I mean that he just words, he
lifted the duvet no, exactly I remember is
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dead, there are, struggled, there is a lot of blood, because it has
lost a lot of blood because the room was full of blood
and there were these frogging on the wall to where you see that
He will have fought.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – have any of you had doubts about who
was the dead body?
GREAT PAOLA – Look in theory no, because however Filomena
I remember now that said
"Lady Meredith", but actually it was one of our
assumption that then basically all we gave
for granted out, that that is ... I also remember the scream
by Filomena "No, Meredith", because that was his
Filomena's room, so in theory at least for that
that concerns me at that point I assumed that
ditch Filomena House's Companion, though ...
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – even if you remember the expressions
that ... at least I was told ...
GREAT PAOLA – Yes, what has been said.
President-I lifted the duvet but don't remember?
GREAT PAOLA – No, this particular no.
PRESIDENT – If there are other questions we can ...
Inspector Battistelli is dismissed, we do
the last confrontation between large Paola and Altieri Luca.
COMPARISON OF TEXTS – ALTIERI LUKE AND BIG PAOLA –
PRESIDENT – We have already mentioned.
CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – President the object of
contrast is the same. In fact I asked.
PRESIDENT-the only contrast ... We took a small
memo and that we are, then from a journal
will come out I do not know ... Though at the time she reported
seeing the Battistelli which approached to
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lift the Duvet, however entered the room
where was Meredith and to get to the duvet and the body
He also described the journey within
of the room. She said she saw for
exit, has however reported statements
Battistelli has subsequently performed, what
We first invoked namely died, struggled, there
are bloodstains on the walls.
Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – No, sorry
President, because the object of contrast, at least
What I highlighted yesterday immediately
After the examination of the two witnesses was slightly different,
namely, while Abbas yesterday reported, today has
partially minimized its presence, however today
He said he was on the threshold of the door
by Meredith whole time Battistelli
It would, according to the version of Altieri, entered
and he found a flap of the duvet. While the
Great reported that he came out all four
at the same time and therefore also Altieri.
PRESIDENT – However I am here.
Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – And even Battistelli,
they came out and then came, exactly.
Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – as she recalls what he
heard we don't remember that Abbasi has
said to have been there to witness Battistelli ...
PRESIDENT – We can also postpone the confrontation for a
later, meanwhile we hear what on these
moments can refer, so you remember, you
leaving all four together?
GREAT PAOLA – Unfortunately, as I said before, I remember
the first person I've seen once in the yard is
was Luke, it doesn't quite anyway and I said
just now, I remember saying so, the
problem is that for me right away might be even 30
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seconds, a minute, I can't give a time, could
also arriving ...
PRESIDENT – But she's sure that Luke has gone before?
GREAT PAOLA – No, I was safe behind my back because I
see, I went out, but when I came out I had
a minute, for me anyway it was dark in the sense that
I had a moment of upheaval and then the first person
I saw was Luke. So time, i.e. whether it is
released immediately was behind me, I never
turned around, I went out straight as well.
PRESIDENT – But do you remember whether he saw Battistelli return
back after this break through the door?
GREAT PAOLA – the image I have of Battistelli is in front of the
front door and then at some point before the door
I didn't see him anymore and then I remember back
at the door, so that is why maybe I yesterday, that is, in
sense in these two images, then I'll probably today
not wanting to have created the phrase I saw him enter then
come out, this was more a putting together these
three images, he stood before the door, then I
saw, then I reviewed at the front door that is
been a while ...
ALTIERI LUCA – I compared to what was being said as in
contrast, I have always said than
I have been assisting Battistelli into the room, I
always well specified to be left in the moment
When Battistelli was about to raise the duvet
so it's not possible that I have said and so much you can
go to review, it is not possible that I have told you
having been there for as long as there was
Battistelli. I went out first, then there is a time
where was he in the room and I did not see it, so
This does not exist. In contradiction, since I
end of my hearing yesterday I attended his
hearing, and I took the contradictions.
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PRESIDENT – I.e. to his hearing, the testimony ...
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, it was back to mine, I took the two
contradictory aspects that this was done
reference, i.e. the temporal adverb which was
used by her, which then was not immediately, but
immediately, you can go to review and beyond
terminology of temporal adverb, relativity
i.e. immediately can be instantly, in a
matter of seconds, in minutes, depends
the present case, apart from this it is clear that in
an objective situation of shock for the
finding of the scene of a heinous crime as
This, temporal cognition of a person into that
mental state is over so its, that is immediately
to me what I mean? Nothing.
PRESIDENT – statements that the great Paola reported
listened to by Battistelli, bloodstains,
etc., Grand Paola says that she was close to her,
you look, you have beckoning?
ALTIERI LUCA – Watch the speech is that, then this applies to
many things, the speech is that after what happened
We talked about it and talked about inclusion, so I now
I know this information, but honestly I don't know
say I remember it because Paola told me I
felt, I remember it because I felt I
directly.
PRESIDENT – So she doesn't remember, he didn't listen.
ALTIERI LUCA – I made this I know, but I can't say
that the said Babu.
PRESIDENT – of course, I say this even as I heard though
in a broad sense, but she felt?
ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, I remember and I don't know if it was Babu or
the other person who had already made some comments, the
the fact that ... The hint that he had fought for the
reference on the trail of the hands on the wall that I don't
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I had seen because I glanced at the wall.
PRESIDENT – if there are any questions. If there are no questions
Maybe ... Unfortunately, we note that we do not have the
transcripts, there will, if necessary,
availability of those resources to put in place similar
incumbent that it becomes difficult to manage them in a
situation like this when you don't have your
statements made by the texts already felt. The same
are discharged, please refer to the continuation
the preliminary activity at hearings, the next
the hearing which already indicated in the calendar with the texts
the Prosecutor has already indicated they want to hear.
Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – President wanted
remind her that next Saturday there will be friends of
Meredith British, apologies, Friday, then is
required the appointment by the Court of a
interpreter.
PRESIDENT – Yes. Then please refer to the hearing on 13 February
2009 9.30 a.m. and Saturdays at 9.00 with invitation to all
parts to appear with no other communication. You invite
the interpreter appointed for the defendant Amanda Knox in
reappear on that date and sent to the registry for
tell the interpreter the time
and an invitation to attend the hearing to allow
examining texts that do not speak the Italian language.
THE COURT OF PERUGIA
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