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MINUTES OF MEETING 16/6/04

A meeting of Newmains and District Community Council was held on 16/6/04 At St Bridgids Primary school Newmains.

Chairman John Harper duly opened the meeting.

PRESENT

Brendan McGhee, Edwina Mc Alpine, David Johnstone, Margaret Johnstone,

John Harper, Allison Shaw, John McLean, Tom Young,

APOLOGIES

Mary Noon, Lillian Young, Robert Walker,

IN ATTENDANCE

Councilor David McKendrick, Pc Jim Muir, Pc Dougie Denholm,

APPROVAL OF MINUTES

The minutes of the last meeting 12/5/04 were approved by the committee.

MATTERS ARRISING FROM MINUTES

There was no matters arising from previous minutes.

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CORRESPONDANCE

Letter from Association of Community Councils, Contents Noted.

Planning Lists, Contents noted.

Respect: Tackling Anti-Social behaviour, Contents Noted.

Letter from Planning & Envoirment Contents Noted.

Letter from Scottish Water about Water Mains Refurbishment at Gair Wishaw . Contents Noted.

Letter from Wickstead Leisure, Contents noted.

Letter from Central Scotland Forrest Trust, Contents noted.

Proposal from Barr Heritable Ltd. To purchase Council ground on the Westwood Road to aid their development that has already been approved at this site,

The committee thought that this was acceptable and moved that we give our support to it.

ANY OTHER BUSWESS

Councilor David McKendrick explained his position regarding his position regarding the removal of coal from Badallan Farm via the railhead at Morningside and why that was more preferable option,

And asked that the Community Council support his position on this matter.

Tom Young stated that it was obvious that it would be the best option for the majority of the people living in Ward 16 for the coal from Badallan Farm opencast site go via the railhead at Morningside,

Tom Young proposed that the coal from Badallan farm go via the railhead at Morningside,

Brendan McGhee seconded the proposal, the committee voted in favour of the proposal.

Chairman John Harper asked to be abstained from the voting process.

John Harper asked Councillor David McKendrick to fax him details of the section 75 regarding Badallan Farm too him as soon as it was available,

Councillor David McKendrick agreed to do so.

David Johnstone asked if the coal from Badallan would be crushed on site or at Morningside.

Councilor David McKendrick stated that the coal would be crushed at Badallan site.

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John Harper Proposed that Tom Young continue as the Community Council’s representive for Bancep,

Edwina McAlpine seconded the proposal.

Tom Young was re-elected to be the Community Council’s representive for Bancep.

Tom Young asked if it were possible to have an article for the Wishaw press regarding the forthcoming Community Council Elections,

There was a good debate with various ideas which we could try to drum up intrest in local people.

Councilor David McKendrick sayed that he could arrange for an offical to come to a meeting and explain about any grants that we could apply for from various sources.

Secretary Brendan McGhee was asked to write to various banks asking if they would consider setting up a banking facility in Newmains.

TREASUERS REPORT

Statement for 16/6/04

Funds in bank 12 th May 2004 E 347.93

Income

Bank intrest for May

Expenditure

Honorarium to Secretary E 30 .OO

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Funds in the bank 16t” June 2004 E 317.96

POLICE REPORT

Period: 7/5/04-7/6/04

CrimedOffences ReDorted Detected Undetected

Vandalism 8 1 7


Thefts 3 1 2

Theft by Housebreaking (incl Sheds) 3 0 3

Vehicle Theft 2 0 0

Vehicles Broken into 3 0 3

Breach of the peace 5 5 0

Assaults 7 5 2

Street Drinking Offences 9 9 0

Drugs Offences 4 4 0

Road Traffic Offences 6 6 0

Other Offences 7 1 6

TOTALS 57 32 25

Percentage of crimes successfullv detected

Prepaired by Community Police Officer Pc Jim Muir for Newmains & District Community Council

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The committee would like to thank Pc Jim Muir for his work in Newmains.

The next Meeting will on Wednesday gth September 2004 at 7.30 . St Bridgids School, Newmains.

Chairman John Harper thanked everyone for attending and duly closed the meeting.

Any matters arising should be sent to the secretary


- MINIJTES OF MEETING 8/9/04

A meeting of Newmains and District Community Council was held on 8/9/04 At St Bridgids Primary school Newmains.

Chairnian John Harper duly opened the meeting.

PRESENT

Brendan McGhee, Edwina McAlpine, David Johnstone, Margaret Johnstone, Charles Young,

John Harper, Allison Shaw, Tom Young, Robert Walker, Anne Wright, Bctty Brown,

APOLOGIES

Mary Noon, Lillian Young, Pc Jim Muir, Councilor James Martin,

IN ATTENDANCE

Councilor David McKendrick,

APPROVAL OF MINIJTES

The minutes of the last meeting 16/5/04 were Proposed by Allison Shaw, and were secondcd by Tom Young.

-- MATTEKS ARRISING FROM MINUTES

'lhcrc was no matters arising from previous minutes.


CORRESPONDANCE

Cavoc Correspondence : noted by Committee:

Scottish Water : Roadworks on Morningside Road due to water mains replacement,& improvements on combined sewer overflow. :noted by Committee:

Planning lists Councilor David McKendrick explained that the swing park that used to be at 'Torbush square will be relocated at another site in Morningside.

Letter from parades Coinmissioner : contents noted by committee:

North Lanarkshire Council : open doors event, & minutes from committee meetings.& housing strategy, : all noted by committee:

North Lanarkshire council Streetsmart Campaign : Secretary Brendan McGhee explaincd that he thought that this scheme was a great success,

Members agreed and it is hoped we can participate again in 2005.

Strathclyde Police public performance report: Contents noted by Committee: Charles Young suggested that he thought it might be a good idea to give future annual reports to the library for the general public to view,

Committee agreed that this was a good idea and secretary will ensure that the library will get thc opportunity to have reports.

Coininunity Council elections : committee discussed fully regarding all issues to do with the forthcoming elections.

ANY OTI-IER BUSINESS

Councilor David McKendrick told the committee of further damage to the pavilion at West Crindledyke playing fields ,

And on the clean up of all the unsightly buildings in Newmains committee thanked councillor McKendrick for his part in achieving this.

Councilor David McKendrick asked for a vote of thanks to Mrs Edwina McAlpinc for hcr scrbice to the community council and for her good work as Treasurer over the years.

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TREASUERS REPORT

Statemcnt for 8/9/04

Funds i n bank 16 th June 2004 S 3 17.96

Income

Grant fom NLC % 963.07

Bank interest June & July .07

Expenditure

Honorariim to Secretaw L 30.00

Hire of classroom 4 meetings f. 40.00

Funds in the bank 8"' September L 1241.03

POLICE mPow There was no police report at the meeting due to Pc Jim Muir being on holiday.

k The next Meeting will on Wednesday 10'" November 2004 at 7.30 . St Bridgids School. Newmains.

Cliairman John I-jarper thanked everyone for attending and duly closed the meeting.

Any matters arising should be sent to the secretary.


Minutes of an Ordinary Meeting Held in St Brigid’s School, Newmains

Wednesday 13‘’’ October 2004

Chairman Tom Young opened tlie meeting, and welcomed all present, especially those newly elected for tlie first time, and the two co-opted members. Chair said he wanted to make it clear to all from the start of his chairmanship that all Community Councillors and all present at our meetings are entitled to be treated with courtesy and respect, even if sometimes there are different views being expressed, and that he would do his best to ensure there would be no acrimony at any meetings. Chair then started the agenda of the meeting.

Present: Tom Young, John Harper, Edwina McAlpine, Margaret Johnstone, David Young, Robert Walker, Allison Shaw, Betty Brown, Aime Wright, John MacLean, attending. Apology received from Mary Noon.

Johnstone, Charles with PC Jim Muir

Agenda:

Police Report. Const Muir went through the month’s statistics, and noted that the numbers of “crimes” were up, but detections somewhat down. It is again noted that a large proportion of the offences requiring police attention involve youths misbehaving. The statistics are attached to this minute. Serious crime reinailis at a low level. Const Muir said that there was some progress towards the creation of the new police base in Newmains. This would provide a better point of contact with community Police Officers than before. Other matters included the ongoing situation of improper car parking in Manse Road. to which there still seeins to be little prospect of resolution. Motorists seem prepared to park in any place close to tlie shops, including

The “Safer Scotland’’ campaign required officers to wear high visibility jackets at all times. which seems to do little good, and enables errant youths to spot officers froin a greater distance. Chair thanked Const Muir for his report and police efforts generally.

Minutes of the Meeting of 8t” September 2004

The minutes were read and agreed - proposed John Harper, seconded Allison Shaw

co-option of the new Community Council There were no matters arising that had not been covered by the events leading to the election and

Correspondence

Papers were received regarding potential amendment to National Planning Policy Guidelines 16, dealing with Opencast Mining planning matters. Chairman read a suininary of the proposals, and meeting agreed it was very much in our interests to seek to be a party to the consultation process.

Post Office notification of the proposed closure of the sub-PO at West Crindledyke has been received. Meeting felt this closure would be a blow to the residents of the area. Meeting decided to refer the matter 10 KLC Cllr Janies Martin, and to seek from him or NLC, statistics of the age-bands of residents of the area. The question was asked. if the present PO operators want to retain the PO

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franchise. This can be found out by asking directly, and asking if the present operator would like us to try to persuade tlie PO keep the West Crindledyke Sub-PO going. .

Volunteer Centre News received, and a note of a range of Volunteer and Groups Training Opportunities. Brendan McGhee will look at these matters as usual.

Noted invitation to Coalfield Communities Campaign conference. This appears to b e a commercially run conference of little relevance to us, and is expensive. No offers to attend.

CAVOC letter and matters therein to be dealt with by Brendan McGhee.

WICKSTEED Leisure wrote offering services relating to disabled access to outdoor play areas. It was not though our area has any difficulty in this filed, that cannot be locally solved. No action required.

NLC OPEN SPACE STRATEGY (papers not to hand) After some discussion, it was thought that the strategy ideas could be useful in dealing with the inessy vacant site in Manse Road between the old Police Station and the Library, and perhaps also is iiialtiiig better access to and leisure use of the bing at Crindledyke.

ANY OTHER COMPETENT BUSINESS

There were two short i t e m mentioned, 1. to note that there is no disabled parking laid aside in Manse Road. and 2. to note that there have been reports of people riding horses on pavements notably between Morningside and Newmains, causing annoyance to pedestrians, and fouling tlie footpath with horse- dung. It a specific offence (Roads (Scotland) Act 1984 s.129) to ride a horse on a footpath.

Further business:

Brendan McGhee was requested to represent N&DCC at the Volunteer Centre, a id agreed to do so. Tom Young Represents N&DCC in Newinains & Bonkle Elderly Project.

raffic matters requiring attention include the dow g of a pole in Manse Road, and the still missing “School Sign” in Morningside Road just up from the roundabout.

TREASURER’S REPORT Statement for 13‘” October 2004 Funds in bank at 8 September 2004 51,241.03 Iiicoine - Bank Interest Sept & Oct 2004 2 2 Expenditure - Honorarium to Hon.Sec. October 5 30.00 Funds in bank as at 13 October 2004 51,211.25 Edwina McAlpine, Treasurer.

Chair then thanked the outgoing officers Chair Jolm Harper and Secretary Brendan McGliee for their services. There being no other business, tlie meeting closed at a little after 9 o’clock p.ni.

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Minutes of an ordinary Meeting of the Council held in St Brigid’s Primary School, Newmains on Wednesday 10‘’’ November 2004

1 . Chair Tom Young opeiied the meeting at 7.30 111.5

I’rosciit ~ w r e C:ommuiiity Councillors: Tom Young, Charles Young, Mai-y Noon, Brendan McChee, John RIacLcan, David .Johnstone, Margaret Johnstone, Bet@ Brown, Anne \;\;right, J o h n Harper, Allison S h a w .

Apologies for absence were received from: Edwina McAlpine, and Const. J. Muir (drafted to other duties for the evening).

Also in attendance: Jillian Crichton.

2. Police Report I n tlie absence of Const Muir there was no police report However Const. Muir had told Secretary wheii saying he could iiot be present at the iiieeting that there were no unusual criiniiial activities noted. Figures for this month would be presented at tlie next meeting.

3. chairman. Subject to the deletion of one line the minutes were approved, proposed .I. Harper seconded J. MacLean.

The draft Minutes of the Previous Meeting held on 13t” October 2004 were read out by the

‘The deleted line is in ”Correspondence”. and reads “C.4VOC letters and matters therein to be dealt with by Braidan McGhee”. This is not correcl, and has been removed from the iiiiiiurs.

4. Matters Arising (a) the proposed closure of the PO at West Crindledyke. Secretary reported contact twice with the PO operator Mr Saleem, and had written to Mr Saleein inviting hiin to come to the meeting. Mr Saleem had phoned secretary this morning to say he could iiot come. but that he would like the PO to stay open. It seeiiis that the PO is putting some pressure on Mr Saleeiii to agree to close the PO. Meeting agreed to try to reverse the closure decision in the interests of the folk of the area. Secretary has already written to Wishaw Press, and has had a good response. .An Article in support is probable. Meeting agreed to continue this action. Secretary will action.

(b) Volunteer Centre News Breiidaii McGhee had attended a good meeting in kfotherwell, titled a 50-50 conference, where equal numbers of old folks and young folks were meeting up t i i share their views. Brendan reported this was a good meeting enjoyed by all. There was a North Lanarltshire Youth Council presentation, which had been well done.

(c) “Ci-indledyke Bing” Breiidaii McGhee noted that access for the public to the bing area was poor, and the area was little used as cl result. Tom Young added that what access there ti ,IS has been made rather difficult because horse iiders use the access paths which get churned up b q horses’ hooves. Meeting was told that what pitli\\ays there are on the area seeiii to go no-wlisre, anci that it would be iiiucli better for all if the paths actuall) started and ended where people were likelj to want to walk froin aiid to, such as all the way ~liro~igli from Braedale to Moriiingside as an example. Just a few basic firin walking ibotpaths would be n good start. Secretary to write to NLC to ask what might be possible.

Meeting noted that the Aucliter Water is in need oi‘being cleared out of broken branches and debris. 11 is thought that SEPA may be responsible for attending to this.

5 . Correspondence NLC Housing Conference invitation - Aline Wriglit will attend this meeting and report back.

6. Treasurer’s report I n the absence of Edwina, Tom Young read out the figures.

Funds in Bank at 13 October 2004 f i 2 1 1.25 lncoiiie - Interest for October Expenditure - Hire of classroom L 6.80

.10 1 2 1 1 35

Honorarium to Sec. L 30.00 36.80

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Funds in bank 10“’ November 2004 -- I .L1,211.j> 6a. ‘Treasurer submitted a note requesting consideration of a separate fund for “Equipni&?, and suggested starting this fillid off with 2200 transferred from the main account. The purpose of tlie Equipnieiit fund would be accumulate monies to allow for the purchase of equipment (such as a coiiiputer or printer) once in a while. Meeting agreed to authorise the setting up of this fLmd with E200.00.

7 . Any Other Competent Business

Tom Young suggested N&DCC might wish to be represented at Remembrance Day events, possibly even to lay a wreath at the War Memorial in Newmains. Meeting felt this was a worthy idea, aiid agreed to consider the matter again in good time for Remembrance Day 2005

John Harper noted that the meeting had been ready to start well before 7.30, and it was clear there was some interest in reverting to a 7 o’clock start. Chair led a discussion on this, and noted that the extra half hour would usually be helpful at the ends of meetings to stop a rush to finisli meetings by the 9 o’clocl\: deadline. As the caretaker is not affected by this, aiid as the room IS bo01ted through, meeting agreed that from iiow on the srart time should be 7 o’cloclc.

Toin Young raised matters about the proposal to continue tlie railhead in Morningside. He showed the backs of some letters lie said were from people in Morningside castigating him personally for being minuted in the June N&DCC meeting minutes as suggesting and supporting the coal from Badallaii and Headless Cross going though Morningside. The iniiiute concerned was approved at the next meeting (Sept ’04), and must stand. Toin did NOT show or read out any of the letters, nor would lie say who had sent them. The source and content of the alleged letters remains ltnown only to Toiii. Toiii then told meeting that secretary “had sent an unauthorised letter” to NLC regarding tlie planning application, and remarked that there was no room for a “loose caiinoii” (apparently a reference to the secretary) and that lie had “no coiifidence in the secretary”, but that lie (Tom Young) would not be resigning. Secretary expressed surprise at this outburst in which Mr McGiiee also took part. at the 2nd of all otlieruisc pleasant meeting, and stated that he could easil!. give up his post if the N&DCC so wished. but that he would certainly fi-ilfil liis office at least until the next meeting, that is, he would attend to the minutes aiid the matters arising that required attention this month. No-one resigned, and no iiiotioii seeking that was made. The status quo therefore prevails, and will continue unless other action occurs. (Secretary lias written privately to Chairman regarding this matter).

CO-OPTION of a NEW Communi@ Councillor

Chair noted and welcomed the presence of Jill Crichton at tlie meeting, md iiivitcd 1iz1 to coimder CO-

option as a member 1111 agreed to be co-opted. and this was Proposed by Mary Noon. Seconded by .Ulisoii Shaw Jill Crichton is therefore a Co-oprzd Member M ith immedia~e effect Meeting closed shortl! before 9 o’clock

Atinutes adopted: Proposed by . . . . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Seconded by . . . . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . . , . . . . . , . .


November 2004 Now that we have all had time to draw breath after our election or co-option to OUR coininunity council, my task as secretary includes reminding us what the AIM of our little council is, and pointing out some of the rules under which we must operate.

We have a formal CONSTITUTION. We decided at our inaugural meeting on 13‘” October 2004 to adopt the standard model constitution offered by North Lanarkshire Council. We may apply to amend this, but NLC would have to agree any changes. We must m e n d it to INCLUDE our extra office of “Vice Chairman”. It IS unlikely we would need to seek other changes.

The OBJECTIVES of the community council are stated in the CONSTITIITION: “The objectives of the Council shall be:

(a) to ascertain, co-ordinate and express the view of the community which it serves to North Lanarkshire Council concerning matters for which NLC is responsible;

(b) to ascertain, co-ordinate and express the views of the community which it serves to public bodies and industrial concerns which have an effect on the conimunity from an administrative, social or economic point of view;

(e) to take such action in the interests of the community which it serves as appears to the (community) Council to be expedient and practicable, and

(d) to seek financial support from any source for projects which further the foregoing objectives.

Items (c) and (d) above are very widely worded, and in effect the community council inay do just about anything that it feels is in the “interests of the community which it serves”. We have an “Area of Operation”, which is our defined coininunity council area. We should not involve ourselves in matters outwith our area, unless of course they also affect us.

Initially, members are elected. During the four year period between elections new ineinbers inay be CO-OPTED to the council, being elected by the existing members, both elected and co-opted. At the very most we a r e allowed to have ELEVEN ELECTED, and TEN CO-OPTED, community councillors, and all have equal voting rights. There seeins to be a provision to have mid-term elections to replace “lost” elected members; but this is not explained in the papers currently held.

At every meeting of the community council we MUST have present, BEFORE a formal meeting can be held, one third or more of all the community councillors of whom not less than THREE must be Elected members. At the time of writing (November 2004) we have fourteen members in all, so the minimum quorum must be FIVE members, of whom three or more must be elected. There is no provision to allow the Chair a casting vote i n the event of tied decisions. It is most important that no “decision” is taken at any meeting which is “inquorate”.

If a coininunity councillor does not attend any meeting during a period of six months, that member shall cease to be a inember of the coininunity council. However, in that rule it is made clear that the community council may approve the reason for a councillor’s absence, and excuse him, thus NOT including that meeting in the six moiitlis absence period. What this means is simple - if you notify the secretary or cheir in advance that you caiiiiot at’end d meeting, and give a 4mple reason (perham best not “Football.. . .!”) then the six month period, and tlie requirement to strike off a member, need not occur.

Meetings of Community Councils shall be held in public. Any inember of the public inay attend our meetings. lMeinbers of the public have no RIGHT to speak or be heard, but there is no reason why they cannot be invited to speak should the council so wish, through the chair. In two circumstances only, meetings inay be held in private session. This would require the meeting to approve a forinal motion to do so. The circuinstances are (1) if public discussion of the business would not be beneficial to tlie community, or ( 2 ) if the subject matter is confidential to an individual. Private meetings are best avoided.

NLC Councillors for the area shall receive Agenda, Notices and Minutes of our meetings, and are entitled to attend, participate in and address our meetings, but shall not be entitled to vote. They may NOT become elected or co-opted meiiibers.

The CHAIRMAN (whom failing the Vice CIirrirnznn) shall conduct all meetings of the council, and shall co-operate with the SECRETARY in arranging the agenda for meetings. The SECRETARY shall arrange for a minute of all meetings of the council to be taken: and prepared for approval ofthe council. The TREASURER shall attend to all money matters, and keep records for audit. Every cheque must be ONLY signed by the treasurer A N D one of the chairman, vice-chair, or secretary. The f~ill constitution and associated papers are always available upon request from the secretary. It riins to about 10 pages.

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Minutes of an Ordinary Meeting of the Community Council held in St Brigid’s Primary School, Newmains, on Wednesday St” December 2004

I . Chair opeiied the meeting at 7 o’clock p.m

Present were Community Councillors: Tom Young, Charles Young, Edwina MacAIpine, Brown, Anne Wright, Allison Shaw, Mary Noon, Robert Walker. Apology was received from John Harper.

David Johnstone, Margaret .Johnstone, Betty

Also present: N L C C ouiic i 11 ors : NLC Plaiming Department: Lorna MacCallum (LM) and Shirley Linton (SL) Coiiiiiiuiiity Police Officer

J. Martin and D. MacKendrick

Coiist. J. Muir.

Members of the Public including: A Paton (NAG), E Russell (NA4G), David Wilson, E Connachie (?), Alan Steel, Derek Grieve, Andrew Smith, Josephine Smith. (i t seeiiis clear not all iiieiiibers of the public present put their names in the attendance book).

Chair welcoiiied the large turnout. aiid the plaiiiiing officers present. Chair iiitimated to the meeting that tlie plamiiiig matters would be discussed first. followed by the routine matters.

Chair invited the planning officials to address the meeting. ( I n what follo-s (MR) = Moriiiiigside Resident. (RD) - Barrat Developineiit Resident)

Ms Sliirley Lintoii (SL): Told meeting in outline how a plaiiiiiiig application was handled The railhead application had been received in September 2004, was registered in October, and was for the continued use of the railway siding at Moriiiiigside. Plaiiiiiiig staff consult a iiuiiiber of iiiteriial aiid external (such as SEPA) agencies, a i d arrange for a public notice to appear in the local press. In this case, Planning Dept has asked the applicants to supply further inforiiiatioii. Meaiitiiiie aiiyoiie caii still iiialte representations to the council about tlie application. and aiiyoiie caii ask to be heard by the coininittee on the iiiatter. The earliest possible date for tlie iiiatter to reach coiniiiittee seems to be early February 2005. which failing March 2005. Two matters the applicants have been asked to provide iiiore iiiforinatioii on are regarding vehicle iiioveineiits, aiid noise assessiiieiits.

Ms Lorna MacCalluiii (LM): Said the couiicil (NLC) doesn’t have a lot of iiiforiiiation on this application. It‘s oiily for the use of the r a i l u q line itself, and not the other area that was used by 14.I Banks & Co. The key facts about the application are: HOUS of work applied for are 7 am to 7 pm Moiidays to Fridays, and 7 alii to iioon Saturdays. They have indicated two traiiis per day would leave the site, aiid one on Saturdays. Access to the site is to be from tlie rouiidabout at Moriiiiigside on the A71 trunk road. The application is not limited to COAL, 1101 to coal only from Badallan. Haulage traffic to the site could come from any direction, including from the Newmains side. Noted that the number of vehicle movements per day would be 30 each way (30 full in aiid 30 empty out) that vehicle size would be 28 tonnes load i.e. 44 tonnes gross vehicle weight. and noted that the source of materials is possibly from Badallaii / Headless Cross but is not restricted to these. Noted that Badallaii permission not to be issued until legal agreements have been concluded and bond lodged. I-Ieadless Cross has not yet beeii considered hy the planning coininittee so 110 decision has been rakcn oii that ap p li cati o 11.

Asked by (MR) Drew Smith uShy tlie iie\v owners of new homes in Scliool Road Morningside liad not been informed of the railhead plans, LM stated that those houses were not close eiiougli to tlie proposals to warrant being iiiforiiied at the time. A lady (MR) stated that none of tlie lieu homes at School Road are even shown 011 the applicant’s plans, and said “it’s as if we don‘t even exist”. LM Replied that point is agreed, aiid the new houses don’t appear on tlie Ordiiaiice Survey plans yet. Plaiiiiiiig can iiot therefore insist the applicant shows them. However, the distances from the new houses to the proposed site has been worked out, and tlie closest home is 66 metres away. The same (MR) lady then suggested that tlie trailic TO .uid FROM tlie proposal co~ilii 111 facl also come from Newmaiiis L M replied yes, tlie t rdEc could coiile [’I on1 anywhere. It was specifically NOT restricted to aiiy one opencast mine such as Badallaii, and also not only to coal. The Lady (MR) then said 110-one ever mentioned any of this as a possibilit3 when they were looking into buyiiig their iiew homes. Chair stated “We’ve been discussing this for a couple of’ years”. Chair asked it be iiiiiiuted that Cllr McKendrick was present but iiot taking part in view of his membership of’ the relevant plaiiiiiiig committee.

( M R ) Drew Smith asked for coiifiriiiatioii that tlie original coal route’from Badallaii was to be to Mosseiid. Chair stated originally it liad been decided to take the coal to Morningside through the village. and enter to tlie railhead from an access opposite and a little north of the Mill Road junction. Chair stated lie liad been on picltet lilies opposing this. However, Secretary read from the origiiial Badallan Revised Transportation Chapter October 2002 which states the route from Badallan was to be on A71 west through Allanton to its junction with A73 at Newmains Cross, and then up Westwood Road on the A73 north to its junction with M8 J6 at Newhouse, and then M8 to Mossend. Nowhere was there any mention of using the Morningside railhead. (MR) Drew Smith noted that West Lothian couiicil liad refused to allow tlie coal traffic to use tlieir roads, aiid had threatened to object to Badallaii unless tlie coal went westwards into NLC area. aiid reiniiided meeting that it isn’t just Badallaii coal involved in this application - it could be coal aiid whatever else coming from anywhere. aiid it could go on for inaiiy years. Chair stated that tlie extra iiiforiiiatioii was not available until very recently. (MR) Drew Smith asked chair what was the stance of N8tDCC now in light of tlie new iiiformatioii. Chair stated that all such decisions would have to be talteii by tlie NLC councillors at the plaiiiiiiig committee. Breiidaii McGliee re-stated his opinion that the original route plaiiiied was to be through the village itself. ‘To date. no records indicating this have been sho\vn.

( M R ) M. MacFarlaiie pointed out that the Badallaii traffic alone would oiily be a tiny iiicrease of 0 3% of the total IiGV traffic on tlie roads over tlie next 5 >ears, but as tlie application was IION to be Linliiiiited, it

could turn out to be a lot more than that. it could ail end up coining through Newmains, and it could go on ror 25 years or more. Chair stated that he didn’t know all tlie extra information about additional sites from M hich coal might come until \fery receiitlq . aiid that tlie N&DCC Decision was based on oiily coal. and only li-otii tlie Badallaii site. E McAlpiiie (Treas) asked if all those lorries are coming. uould they n o t need to upgrade the railhead? L M Replied that the present application was only for the sealed platform on the grouiid. an area of hard staiidiiig in other words. and not for anything iiiore.

B McGliee asked if there liad been aiiy objectioiis from Newmains. LM replied yes. two so far.

(MR) Drew Smith re-stated tlie point that if granted this site could be in operation for 25 years or more, \vitli coal coming from opencast sites iiorrli of ?4ewmains. Chair stated that he wouldn‘t expect coal from Airdrie direction to go to Newmains, and thought it would go to Mossend. Lh4 stated this could not be assumed as coal Goiii the Airdrie area has previously been talteii to Ravenstruther even though Mossend existed at the time aiid was much closer tliaii Ravenstruther. ’The coiiipanies iuvoliwl decide for commercial reasons how their coal is moved aiid handled. LM reiiiiiided all present that if such an application was granted. the coal and other goods could come to the site from absolutely anywhere. The applicaiits ~vould also be able later to apply to aineiid aiiy planning coiiditions if they felt tlie need to do so.

C ’ l i a i r asked 1,M aiid SL about the MTM House builders application to vary conditions about the restricted use of School Road, and noted that when consent \vas granted is was on coiiditioii access to most of the liotises \vas to be taken from tlie ad,jacent site. Lh4 agreed that was the situation a i d MT,M were applying to change i t so that all access to and from tlie School Road site of soiiie 60 homes niid the nursing home w o ~ l d be through School Road. LM noted that tlie present use of School Road was supposed to be temporary and

o i i Iy uiitii the 1icw access was created to the west, after ~ ~ l i i c l i tlie Extension to School Road was to be stopped up to veliicular traffic. This condition was applied because it was felt at the time that School Road could not safely handle the traffic. That planning department view has not changed. (MR) Dren Smith stated it was clear to all that it was not acceptable that 50+ lieu homes and the N ~ i r ~ i i i g Home should be forced to use only School Road, and noted the difficulty that traffic has now at School times. which could cause great difficulty for emergency services such as Fire Brigade aiid aiiibulaiices. (MR) .losephiiie Steel said School Road is so narrow aiid busy 1i01-v that it is simply not possible or acceptable to allow tlie situation to continue loiiger than necessary, and noted that the ne\?, residents were proiiiised that they ~ ' o i i l d have proper access as soon as possible froiii the other side

Lh4 asked to malte two points clear: First. that he notification procedures for planning ~~pplications meant that some peopie \\.ere informecl l d o r e tlie appiicatioii went in, because these people are "neighbours" to the proposal, aiici also agreed h,lorniiigside Primary School was not told. Only the last tWo houses iii School Road needed to be told at that time. as neighbours. Second. the School Road aineiidineiit application is a DELEGATED oiie. which officials could grant if they were so minded, but officials would have to refer to the planning coiiiinittee if they were iiiiiided to recommend reftisal. or if there were representations / oh-jectioiis.

One lady stated that slie was a resident of School Road, and al\\.a>.s gave her address as hlorningside. Xe\viiiaiiis. Chair agreed that Morningside and Ncivii~ains are tlie saiiie area, the same district.

and slie wanted to say w e are a11 111e saiiie people.

LS4 continued that if any oiie person makes representation about cl planning application and asks to speak. then all the parties iiiakiiig representations are entitled to spea l~ at the hearing. Nearly always the committee \\ i l l allow Iiearings to be held. Any request that a matter be dealt with by a hearing should be in writing.

C hair said the N&DCC vote of June 2004 was oiil! for the Badallan coal to go Morningside- I t \?as a clioicc li,iseii on aff'cctiiig the fewest people. I t was either h4orningside or Nemmaiiis. Chair then read the text of a ictter writteii by B&S Hill to NLC Cllr D h4cKendricl< This letter \\'as not iiiade available for iiiiiiutiiig and I \ not i n the hands of the Secretary.

Another (MR) asked if the proposed coal haul road wah compatible with providing access for tlie housing doelolxiieiits. Lh4 said the original plans show clearly the access for the iiiajority of the School Road housing development was to be into tlie new site wliich would then access to Moriiiiigside Road at a new roundabout sited about where Hydrachrome works was

A Barrat's Developnieiit (BD) resident Stewart said there are two groups iiivolved in all this, aiid this iit'w possibility of extra coal traffic coming from tlie Newhouse side was all new to them and they are wholly r?pposed to any de\dopii1ei1t that iiicreases the traffic through the roundabout on the north end or Newmains. LM said that if the couiicil was to be able to take account of these co~iceriis, the parties would have to write in to K l L Plaiining with their coiiceriis. One (BD) resident asked LM if conditions could be applied restricting routes for such traffic. LM said YES. but conditions cannot apply that t ry to stop people using public roads. hence the probleiiis at School Road h4orningside. The contractors did iiialte all the promises about coiistruction traffic not usiiig School Road. but brolie those promises, which KLC is unable C O eiil'ol-ce. The (BD) residents noted the series of accidents already a1 their roundabout (the one at tlie north cnii of' Newmains). and that more heavy traffic just iiieaiit morc accidents. :\I this stage Chair reminded meeting that S L C C'llr h4artin \,\ not 0 1 1 the planning comniittec. but C ' l l r ~tacliei-~drick was aiid so was unable to speak 011 the matters.

A ( M I t ) Id) suggested traffic caliiiiiig measures such '15 s l u q ~ ~ n g ~~oiiccmen. C'halr aywd tliesc \\ouId hc \ \ clcomcd throughout the area, but it mas unliltely. and the! introduced other difficulties One resident \iondcred 11' i t was not possible to lime traffic curfenis 31 certain limes such as at scliools u h e n cliildreii are ~oiiiiiig m d going L.M noted that this would proiiahI> not bc possible

C'liair noted that this discussion had lasted a good hour regarding the railhead aiid School Road apphcations, m d asked for any more questions. Cliair suggested all those with coiicei-iis can state their cases, b~i t must do so in writing to NLC Planning. One resident then raised tlie subsideiice risks in Westwood Road. LM said the couiicil coiisulted with all authorities on such matters, but as it is a trunk route (A 73 T) it would be cli fficult to attempt any restrictions oii movements for that reason. Chair noted also that even tlie library liad suffered from subsidence as well as many other parts of tlie area.

h&DC c' C 11r Aniie \'right noted all the extra plan> for developments around Ne\\ mains C i o \ x . Liiiil [i~!\\

housing arouiid Cooper's corner, noting thd t these \ \ ould also create extra traffic Chair listed niimbcr o I d e i elopiiients that are in the offing, the Morningside 200 houses. at Costains, at the Car Mart. the Gospel l-llill. Police ofiice, The Kilt for ASDA taking access off Voriiingside Road (Newmains end) with a b a n L petrol station. and superinarket u d tlie planned big extension of tlie Barrats site, and that all tlicse and moi c \wi-e going to happen. Chair said lie hoped that these LLould open the way to a community centre e\uituall! hlore heavy traffic would not help tlie situation. but there was an iiiiproved new road systciii planneci too C' l~uir said N&DCC would discuss all this as soon as possible, aiid again stated u e were not agaiiist ,240rningside.

Chair thanked Ms MacCalluiii a id Ms Linton for taking the trouble to come to the meeting. and Ibr exphining so much that needed to !:e clarifjed. \/leeting appIauded in recoipnition of ni i c>rcellent aiid i n fo riii at i i r e session.

I~OLlC't? REPORT. Coust M~iir gave his report, and while crimes are clown, it is very regrettable that there are a ciozzn instances of vaiidalisiii attacks against schools and the library These are mostly the siiiashiiig of window s Onlj one of 12 of these had beeii detected. but as these here almost a third of all reported crimes (42). t h t detection rate for tlie others was almost 50%. These figures represent a significant reduction cr i iiies.

h4inutes of' h4eetiiig of' 10 November 2004 ;1/1 alters arising POST OFFICE CLOSURE. Meeting noted it looked like the PO had steaiiirollered the closure

in recorded

process and - concl~ided the PO iiever had aiiy intention of doing other than a gesture of consultation. It looks as if the iiiatter is done. Cllr Martin noted tlie General Pui-poses committee of NLC liad also tried to help. C'RINDLEDYKE BING. Noted N&DCC has written to NLC who have replied positively saying tlie matters will bc referred t o appropriate departments. There were no other matters arising. Chair did not iiiove to aiiieiid or approve tlie Noveiiiber minutes. The minute concerned now stands by defaault.

At this stage a number of residents who were choosing to leave after the iiiaiii business of the pla11iiii1~

discussions inade to leabe, aiid Cllr McKendrick got up. stated lie had no faith in the Secretar), (appareiitl!r the I\l&DCC secretary) aiid said he would iiot be coi i i rn~ to aiiq more N&DCC meetings. He then leut along \L itii the others.

TREASIJREII's REPORT

13ci~iccilly only E30 Iiad beeii spent since last month, but there were some hank forms to sign for the cquipmciit account to be set up. I his only i n \ ~ ~ l \ 2s l'reasui er. Chairinan. Vicc-Chair. and S e c r e ~ a r ~ ' X o t d tlie I,iiiitor should receive a token for his help 01 er tlie > etdi. s i ' f20.

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ANI' OTHER BUSINESS

Secretary asked the iiieetiiig to approve the office of VICE Chair, which did not appear in the Constitution ( i t used to) aiid as N&DCC has a Vice Chair we sliall need to seek approval to aiiieiid our coiistitution to that effect. Meeting unanimously approved this action be uiidertakeii. The iiicuiiibeiit is John Harper.

Breiidaii McGhee raised again the question of tlie railhead. He suggested it sta! s as tlie Badallan coal going to Morningside. Brendau's motion is not clear but seemed to be to continue the .Iuiie 2004 ciccisioii. C \'ouiig and E MacAlpine opposed. the latter saying she was very suspicious about the \vholc busincss iio~v ~ l i c ' s seen the plans and heard the latest news 'There seems soiiie signs that traffic IS airead) mu\ iiig from R'idallaii but it is iiot clear what or \where to (MR) Drew Smith asked if this decision \vas bzing tal~eii eveii 1,nowiig tlie new information Chair said that \vas what he proposed. and the .Ime 2004 decision stands as Iiir as he is concerned (MR) Drew Smith said he just wanted to be very clear on that point about who \vas siyiiig what so there \vould be no doubt later. E MacAlpiiie reiiiiiided all that there was <i lot of' new ~nformatioii coiiiiiig through that seemed to affect these matters very much and suggested N&DCC took time to consider it. Chair called for a show of hands, with six votes FOR. and TWO against. FOR were Brendaii McGhee (proposer), Chair Toiii Young (seconder), David Jolinstone, Margaret Jolinstnne. aiid two others not identified in time. AGAINST were Edwiiia McAlpiiie aiid Charles Young.

David Johiistoiie aiid Breiidaii McGhee asked what was the situatioii of the secretary a5 the] thought lit: hail resigned at the last meeting. There was some lively discussion 011 this. aiid secretary said such ii iiiatter \ \ /odd better be raised at the start of a meeting iiot tlie eiid of one. Secretary said several times lie would stand down iiiiiiiediately if that was the wish of the meeting, but would assist any neu secretarg with the minutes of this evening. Secretary pointed out that N&DCC MUST have an active secretary, and \vould do \\?ell not to dispose of one without having a new one ready to take over. No-one proposed a change of secretary. Secretary said lie M ; O L I ~ ~ coiitiiiue to act Lint11 N&DCC wanted otherwise. Chair coiiiiiieiited about sending out letters. Secretary pointed out limiting his ,ibility to send letters out would only restrict the coiiiiiiunity council's own ability to act. The outcome is this - Oftice Bearcrs and Community Councillors of NSrDCC must not send any lettcr purporting to be from or on behalf of the Community Council to any party without first obtaining the I'RIOIi approval of a monthly meeting of N&DCC. This is a minuted instruction following a decision taken at this meeting, and applies to ALL office bearers and community councillors alike.

and no-one voluiiteered to take the post oii.

The meeting closed shortly after 9 o'clock piii.

Drafted 9 Dec 2004 CFY

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