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Non-members can obtain this pubUcailonfrom the Editor, post free, 2/-per annum. MAROH, 1919. Soutb €tbical South Place, Moorgate Street, E. C. I!lble et o f t h e S oelet y. "T he Obj ect of the Society is the culti vation of a rational religious sentimen t, the study of ethical princi ples, and the promotion of human welfare, in harmony with advancing knowledge." MEMBERSHIV . Iny person in sympathy wi th the Object of the Rociety is cordially invited to become n. Member. Purticu l"r. of Membersh ip mny be obtained in tbe Llbmry before nnd Rfte r the Sundny services, or on npplicntion to tbe Hon.l{cgistror, Miss F. A. LAW, South P lnce Institute, Finsbury, E.C. 2. . . aSS a(! 17ITES. Any pe rson interested in the Society's work, bnt not wishing to become n. Member, mn.y j oin n.s nu ABsociutc. Pamculors moy 00 obtnined the Hon. Registr ar os obove. SUNDAY M OR NIN G SERVICES. The following DISCOURSES will be delivered on Sunday mornings, Service beginning at ELEVEN O' CLOCK. Februa ry 23. - MORDAUNT SHAIRP, B.A.- Gra nville Barker, Dramatist. Anthems Hymns { 1. Orpheus with his lute 2. Mon is his own stnr { No. 118. Who drives the horses Qf the sun. No. 46. He liveth long who Iiveth well. March 2. - JOHN A. HOBSON, M. A. - John Ru skl n, R!: volutionist. Allthem. Hy mns { 1. Huppy is tb. mon 2. The Hope { !lB. Oh Dc,v of Lif. -{) Light or Ellrtb . Nu. 59. In silence mighty things ore wrought. SulUvan Web, t. r Proul Le/l7lzann March 9. -Right Hon . JO HN M. ROBE RTSON. The Econom'ic Bias In Ethics. Anthems I 1. Huppy nnd blest orc they ) 2. " "hen Spring unlock. the flo".r ... . Hymns { No. 214 . Sow in the morn thy srrd. No. 1(;8. 'l'h('TC'S life obrond-from C'nch green March 16. - JOSEPH McCABE.- The Me dieval Guild. Anthems Hymns { 1. have C(':lsNl to blow _ .. 2. 1\ ith verdure clod ... ... ... .. . { No. ]12. There> is In ""cry humnn heort. No. 63.\11 grim, ,md s"il"d, nncl brown with ton. March 2 3.- C. DELISLE BURNS, M.A. - Tolsto i and Chri stianity. Ant h em. Hymns { 1. l'ilgr i m's Song 2. God is n. Spirit { No. 12:3. 'J'hp man of lifl'! upright. No 136. Thnt mon is grent, nnel 1><' olone. Mar ch 30. - S. K. RATCLIFF E. - Amertc a at t he Cross Roads. Mendc/sso/m Shedloek M.nde/sso /m H a]jdn. TRcllaiko,"sk.1l SI_mdale Bcnn ett Ant".lIla {1. \ ptA;,rm sped 8t'U. :l1ld Imd B('f tllovrn. 2 .• \ Hong of n".tmy ... . . .., Brall",. { \1). 0 l"'uTt' Jhform<l .. Tti llnt in vtliu. HJDUl' No. 151. I wllk. lhis m 01'11 , nnd nil my life. Visilol's arc in vited to obtnin infol'lI/ation I'rr lO l'dillfl the Soeie l y in 111 0 Li li l'ory 011 SUI/ day mnrni nflR . A to Ur'olton iH mail,. at each Sen'ic(', (0 ( 'uable l"oBe 10 cont ri l.J lLi c lo tlto r"'lJ1'IIHrR 01 t ll " Society. CycliRt8 dl'Riring 10 aI/nul the S('I'ViCeR arc ill(OI'III('1I that lhe COlllllliUcc /10 10 made arl' an,(Jl.'uu'nts 101' hOtl.8in(J their machine8 in flu' /JOBl'mrut. The Building is to be le t for Meetin gs, e tc. Forma of Application may be had of the Caretaker, lL South Plac e, E. C. i and when ruled up s hould be sent to Mr . N. Ltdstone, 96, Blackstock Road , Fms bury Park, N. The Chapel il licensec1 for Marnages. Arrangements can be mac1e fw the conduct of Funeral Servtcea on &C)J).l.ioa.ttOIl to the Secretary.

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Non-members can obtain this pubUcailonfrom the Editor, post free, 2/-per annum.

MAROH, 1919.

Soutb Plac~ €tbical Soci~tPt South Place, Moorgate Street, E. C.

I!lbleet o f t h e S oelet y.

"The Object of the Society is the cultivation of a rational religious sentiment, the study of ethical principles, and th e promotion of human welfare, in harmony with advancing knowledge."

MEMBERSHIV • . Iny person in sympathy with the Object of the Rociety is cordially invited to become

n. Member. Purticu l"r. of Membersh ip mny be obtained in tbe Llbmry before nnd Rfter the Sundny services, or on npplicntion to tbe Hon.l{cgistror , Miss F. A. LAW, South P lnce Institute, Finsbury, E.C. 2. . . a S S a(!17ITES.

Any person interested in the Society's work, bnt not wishing to become n. Member , mn.y j oin n.s nu ABsociutc. Pamculors moy 00 obtnined fr~m the Hon. Registrar os obove.

SUNDAY M ORNING SERVICES. The following DISCOURSES will be delivered on Sunday mornings,

Service beginning at ELEVEN O'CLOCK.

February 23. - MORDAUNT SHAIRP, B.A.-Granville Barker, Dramatist.

Anthems

Hymns

{ 1. Orpheus with his lute 2. Mon is h is own stnr

{No. 118. Who drives the horses Qf the sun. No. 46. He liveth long who Iiveth well.

March 2. - JOHN A. HOBSON, M.A. - John Ruskln , R!:v olutionist .

Allthem.

Hymns

{ 1. Huppy is tb. mon 2. The Worldl~' Hope

{ ~o. !lB. Oh Dc,v of Lif. -{) Light or Ellrtb . Nu. 59. In silence mighty things ore wrought.

SulUvan Web,t. r

Proul Le/l7lzann

March 9. - Right Hon. JOHN M. ROBERTSON. The Econom'ic Bias In Ethics.

Anthems I 1. Huppy nnd blest orc they ) 2. " "hen Spring unlock. the flo".r ... .

Hymns {No. 214 . Sow in the morn thy srrd. No. 1(;8. 'l'h('TC'S life obrond-from C'nch green tr~e.

March 16.- JOSEPH McCABE.- The Medieval Guild.

Anthems

Hymns

{ 1. 'I' ~)(' \Vintr:,~ \\~inds have C(':lsNl to blow _ .. 2. 1\ ith verdure clod ... ... ... .. .

{No. ]12. There> is In ""cry humnn heort. No. 63.\11 grim, ,md s"il"d, nncl brown with ton.

March 23.- C. DELISLE BURNS, M.A. - Tolstoi and Chri stianity.

Anthem.

Hymns

{ 1. l'ilgrim's Song 2. God is n. Spirit

{No. 12:3. 'J'hp man of lifl'! upright. No 136. Thnt mon is grent, nnel 1><' olone.

March 30.- S. K. RATCLIFFE. - Amertca at t he Cross Roa d s.

Mendc/sso /m Shedloek

M.nde/sso /m H a]jdn.

TRcllaiko,"sk.1l SI_mdale Bcnnett

Ant".lIla {1. \ ptA;,rm sped oV~'r 8t'U. :l1ld Imd B('f t llovrn. 2 .• \ Hong of n".tmy ... . . .., Brall",.

{ \1). ~lI. 0 l"'uTt' Jhform<l .. Tti llnt in vtliu.

HJDUl' No. 151. I wllk. lhis m 01'11 , nnd nil my life.

Visilol's arc invited to obtnin infol'lI/ation I'rrlO l'dillfl the Soeie l y in 111 0 Li li l'ory 011 SUI/ day mnrninflR .

A toUr'olton iH mail,. at each Sen'ic(', (0 ('uable l"oBe pl'~IJC ll,t 10 cont ri l.J lLi c l o tlt o r"'lJ1'IIHrR 01 t ll " Society.

CycliRt8 dl'Riring 10 aI/nul the S('I'ViCeR arc ill(OI'III('1I that lhe COlllllliUcc /10 10 made arl'an,(Jl.'uu'nts 101' hOtl.8in(J their machine8 in flu' /JOBl'mrut.

The Building is to be le t for Meetings, etc. Forma of Application may be had of the Caretaker, lL South Place, E.C. i and w hen ruled up s hould be sent to Mr. N. Ltdstone, 96, Blackstock Road, Fmsbury Park, N. ~

The Chapel il licensec1 for Marnages. Arrangements can be mac1e fw the conduct of Funeral Servtcea on &C)J).l.ioa.ttOIl

to the Secretary.

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Lending Library. The Lending Library is open froo to Member .. of the Society on Sunday morning.

b efore and after the Servioos. Associates and Non·Memhers of the Society may under oertain conditions be grnnted the uoo of the Lihrary upon payment of " subscription of 28. 6d. peT annum. The Catalogue, including " supplement for 1905·7, is on s"Ie, price 6d. Subscriptions towards t he purchase and repair of books are invited.

HON. Librarians WALLIS MANSFORD, Oh"rry Tree Court, 53, Aldersgate Street, E.C.l. {

Miss MARY RA WLINOS, 406, Mare Street, Hackney, E,S.

Mr s. STEVEN~, 117", Cl"pton Common, E.5.

Weekly Discussions. These will be resumed on Tuesdny evenmgs in a series of six, under the gener al title

of .. Prob lems of Democracy," a.s follows: -February 2S.-JOHN A. HODSON', M.A. : .. WHAT IS DEMOCRACY?" March 4.-Mrs. H. DRADLAUGH BONNER: .. DEMOCRAcY AND CONSCRIPTION." March 1l.-W. MELLOR, B.A..: .. DEMOClI.ICY AND INDUSTRY." March IS.-D. N. TJANGDON D_'-"VIES, M.A.: "DEMOCllAcY AND TUE PRtSS." l\!n.rch 25.~T. )[. :tI[ACTA YISH: "DEMOCRACY AND EDUCATION." AprH I.-LEON L\RJ) . WOOLF, B.A.: "DElIOCRAcY .1Nl) FORJlIGN POl,ICY."

Time, 7.30 p.m. Admission Free. Collection taken. Hon. Sec.: G. W. GOCDALt, B.Sc., S, Aberdeen Court, Highbnry, N.S.

eonway Memorial Lecture. On Thursday, March 6, Miss JANE E. HARRISON will deliver the Tenth Annuo.l Conway

Memori .. l Lecture. Subject: "Rationalism an.'! Religious Rel>Ction ." The chair will be taken at 7 p.m. by Professor GILBERT ,MunRAY. Admission froo. Reserved seat tickets, 1s. each, mny be obtained in the Library, or from the Hon. Secretaries :

:tIfrs. C. FLETClIER SMITU, 17, Sydenh am Park, S.E.26. E, J. FAIRRALL, Windmill Lane, Soutltnll, Middlesex.

Soirees. On 'fhul'sday evening, Mar ch 13, a Special Soire.., will be held in a id of the General

Funds. There will bE" •. n.cndings from Favourite Authors," and 3.180 Music by members and frhmds of the Society. Members arc invitul kindly to assist with gifts of cnkes, etc., Qr contributions townl'ds the expons".. 6.30 to 10 p.m. Tickets, Is., from the Soir6e Secr,etary, or Miss Mory RnwJings in the Libmry on Sunday mornings.

Soiree Secretary: Miss GRACE GOWING, 302, Dalsten Lane, Hackney, E.S.

Sunday Vopular Goncerts (Ghamber Music). THE THIRT'Y·'l'HIRD SE.\SON will be continued every Sunday Evening at 6.30 p.m .

Th e following nl't~ the arrangements as far as at present made:-February 23.-Strinq Quartet: Mr. W. H. R~ed, Mr. Charles Woodhouse, Mr. Ernest

TomJinscn. Mr. B. Pr..tf,,'rson Parker. roca-list: l Indllme JenIDl0. D'Espngnc . Beethoven's l'osthumous Quartet in A minor, Op. 132; Violin Solo by Sara.sate; Glazounov's Quartet in D minor, Op. 70.

March 2.-PianQfortR: 1>1r. Richard H. Wnlthew. Vocali.t: Mr. Arthur Cranmer. , March 9.-Pianofol·te: Mi •• Myra Hcss. lIiolin: Miss Margery Bentwich. Violon·

cello: Miss Tbelma Rentwich. Vocalist: Mr. Allsten C"rnegie. March 16.- t. Pl1trick's Eve Irish Concert. PianOforte: Mrs. Ethel Hobday. For fuljther particulars of tho above Concerts sce programmes. Doors open at 6.10 p.m. Concerts begin at 6.30 o'clock. Admission Free with

OoUection. Progr.ammes 2d. each. Tron~fe!'ltbl. Tickets, admitting to Re..,rved Seats to April 6, 3s. each (including tax,

6d.), or 5s. including Progrn.mmc wCl'kly by post. For Advuti..,mcnts of the Concerts see 7'71<> Dail" Te legraph every Saturday. Mr. RICITAll.D H. \VATEI1EW'S Thr.ee Lectures on "'rho Development of Chamber Music n

may be lw.d , price Gd. net complete. l'ost fr~, 7~d . Oommittee meeting on Mnrch 2, at 5 p.m.

Hon. Treas.· . FRANK A. HA WKIN9, 13, 'fhurlow Park Road, Dlllwieh, S.E.21. Hon. Sec. . . ALI'REn J. CLEMENTS, 8, Finchley Wa:y., Fincllle:r' N .3.

H At Se 8 { 1111'S. CT,EMF.NTS, S, Fmohley W ny, ] mchley, N .3. on. 88. c. Miss H. M. FAlRIlALL, S, 'carberough Rond, N.4.

South Vlace ~rchestra. Conductor: RICHARD H. WALTHEW.

Prlletices arc held weekly on Friday evenin gs, 6.30 to S.30 p.m. Ladies and gentlemen ciesirou. of joining a r e requested to commnnicate with the

Secretary; members and lOon·members of the South Place EthiC!l.1 Society are equally eligible, and performers of botl\ wind and string instruments will bc welcomed.

F. W. OANNING, Uon. Secretary, 63, Kingaball Road, Beckenham.

The GENERAL COM"Wn:r. wi ll meet on Monday, Mnrch 10. Correspondenc dealing \vith ml>tters for con sid~rntion should be forwarded to Mr. W. '1' . HARVP.Y at the earliest possible moment .• \ 11 matters r elating to finance should he addressed to the 'freasurer.

Secretaries of snb·committees a re notifipd that handbill s intended to be circulated wHh the MONTHLY LIBT sbould be delivere,] to the Utopia Pross, 44, Worship Street, E.C.2. It is hoped that thoso ..,cretnries who have addresses of persons inter<>sted in their work (otller than Members and A.ssocinte.s) will communicate them, with I> view to such person • • oeiving the Monthlv Li8t regularly.

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EDITORIAL. ACIlYITlES.-One of the Editor's most pleasurable duties is that of

endeavouring to interest his readers in the various activities of the Society and to draw timely attention to the dates of special meetings. This month he may be said to be blessed with an embarras des richesses. Does any­body suggest that South Place is moribund? If so, let him read the fol­lowing notes and thereafter hold his peace.

DrsclIss](1!';s.-The weekly meetings will be resumed on Tuesday even­ing, February 25, when a series of six di cussions will be opened under the general title of "Problems of Democracy ." Mr. G. 'V. Goodall, the Hon. Secretary, can justly claim to have done remarkably well. The list of speakers and their respective subjects, -published in the leaflet in closed with our present issue, is most attractive and well-timed. Mr. J. A. Hobson and Mrs. Bradlaugh Banner are so well and so long known to members and friends that no words of ours are needed to acclaim their gifts; Mr. W. Mellor is a prominent leader in the National Guilds move­ment and joint author with Mr. G. D. H . Cole of several works dealing with Industry and Democracy; Mr . B. N. Langdon-Davies is the Secretary of the National Council for Civil Liberties, Mr. J. M. Mactavish of the "Torkers' Educational Association, and Mr. Leonard S. Woolf is one of the pioneer thinkers on the problem of International Organisation, witness his masterly work in the notable" New Statesman" Supplements on this subject, published in 1915. The Hon. Secretary, who supplies me with these particulars, asks me: "Should not these speakers have something good to say on their respective subjects?" And we are sure that all of us will answer emphatically in the affirmative. The leaflet advertising these Discussions is in itself a valuable piece of pamphlet literature on the subject of Democracy. 'Ye shall make a point of keeping our copy as a reference of crystallised thought on several of the most important aspects of democratic principle.

CONWAY MEMORI,IL LECTuRE.-'Ve wish to give a reminder of the tenth Moncure Con way Memorial Lecture, which will be delivered Thursday, March 6, by Miss Jane E. IIarrison, subject, "Rationalism and Religious Reaction/' Professor Gilbert Murray presiding . Miss IIarrison is from Newnham College, Cambridge. This college for women was opened in 1875. Dr. onway in his autobiography writes: "In 1876 the first step towards a college at Oxford for women was made in the house of my heretical self in London ." "Villiam Archer has expressed his "bel ief that there is no man in England whom Moncure Conway, were he alive, would more warmly welcome" to the South Place platform than Professor Murray. We think we are therefore right in congratulating the Memorial Committee upon their exceedingly happy choice both of Lecturer and Chairman.

SPECIAL SOIREE.-Members and friends of the Society are asked to co­operate with the Soiree Committee in making the Special Soiree, to be held at South Place in aid of the General Funds, on Thursday evening, March 13 (6.30 to 10 p.m.) a very great success. There will be "Readings from Favourite Authors" by Mrs. Fletcher Smith, Mrs. S . G. Fenton Mis$

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Mary Rawlings, Dr. John Oakesmith, and Messrs. Arthur E. Fenton, C. J. Pollard, and William Rawlings. There will also be songs by Miss Grace and Mr. Horace Gowing. Mrs. Fletcher Smith and Miss Mary Rawlings will act as Hostesses for the evening and will be delighted to welcome as large a company as possible. Members are invited kindly to assist with gifts of cakes, etc., or contributions towards tbe expenses, so that all money taken for tickets can be given to the General Funds of tbe Society. Tickets, IS. each, can be obtained from the Hon. Secretary, Miss Grace Gowing, or from Miss Mary Rawlings, in the Library on Sunday mornings. Friends sending cakes are asked to notify their intentions in good time to the Soiree Secretary.

SunSCRIPTION FUND.-The Treasurer informs me that at present there has been only a very small response to his letter in the February issue. 'Ve therefore think we may rea onably repeat here an extract from that appeal. "It will be evident from what I have said that the Society is in need now, and will probably be still more in need in the future, of an income considerably larger than it receives at present. I shall be very glad to hear from any of our sympathisers who are willing to assist by making an annual payment to the Subscription Fund . Those who do not feel able to pledge themselves to an annual payment are invited to make a donation la the General Funds. Contributions may be sent to me as below, or paid in ttle Library on Sunday mornings.-Yours faithfully, F. 'V. READ (ITon. Treasurer), 65, Harley Road, IIarlesden, N ."V.lO."

SUGGESTED SOUTH P!.ACE CHORAL SOCIETY.-'Ve have only received at time of writing ten replies lo our last month's note headed "The Editor and Readers of the LIST." V'I'e shall therefore hold these over until the April issue. 'Ye are pleased, however, to state that in addition to com­ments upon the suggestion of a Soulh Place Choral Society these replies contain many very interesting and valuable ideas on the general work of our Society, from which we shall gratefully quote extracts next month.

"THE BOOK OF JOD."-Our article in the January issue, and Mr. IIerbert Burrows's letter on the subject printed in the February LIST, have elicited from a correspondent a contribution (the first part of which we append below), which is certainly very pertinent to the questions raised, and is also, of itself, of considerable interest.

THE SIGNIFICANCE OF DEATH. (EXTRACT FROM PAPER.)

If it is to be made worthy of our acceptance, the belief that what we call death is not the end of man's existence seems to me to require much stronger arguments than those which have been very briefly considered .

Are there really allY facls in nature-including of course man's nature -<lr even any analogies whIch can be adduced in support of such a belief; or is the idea upon which it is based a mere figment of the imagination?

We see going on around and within us a continuous redistribution of matter and motion. In the case not only of man, but of other animals, tbis redistribution has, as its accompaniment, sensations which prompt the

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animal to make certain more or less definite responses to certain stimuli. The kind and degree of such responses in any particular case are of courSi! dependent upon the physical and mental structure of the animal. What must, I think, have especially struck every thoughtful man who has observed under a microscope, and considered the movements of the simplest uni­cellular organisms, is the fact that even they po;sess some kind of rudi­mentary intelligence--that there is something "psychic" in them. One seems compelled to accept the conclusion even that intelligence is incipient in, and associated with, what we call ordinary matter. We might perhaps even go a little further, and say that inasmuch as by the word "matter" we understand certain definite modifications of the universal aether, this aether contains within itself the potentialities of life and intelligence. At any rate, we have no means of telling at what stage in evolution such potentialities first come into existence.

The combinations which we .call atoms are now known not to be abso­lutely permanent combinations, although their average life period may vary from 3,500 or 4,000 years in the case of radium, to many millions of millions of years in the case of the more stable elements.

It is, of course, a well known fact that on disintegration not only tbe molecule but the atom loses its special and distinguishing properties. [In Sir }oseph Thomson's opinion all the elements known are made up or com­pounded of the relatively inert substance which is called helium. By "relatively inert" is bere meant comparative absence of chemical affinity or combining power; tbe inter·atomic energies of belium, as well as that of tbe atoms of other elements, are enormous.]

When tbe organic molecules, or tbe special combinations of them which are found in all living things, break up, as tbey do after the death of an animal or a vegetable, the special physical properties which they possess are changed or lost, and there seems to be no reason for supposing that there should not be a corresponding loss of the psychical properties which are only found in association wit~ such physical properties. Surely if we could regard the question from a detached or ... outside point of view, we should perceive and admit that it is putting an excessive strain on tbe credu­lity of a rational being to ask him to believe that the mind, or the complex of associations of ideas which accompanied the life of tbe body, survives or persists essentially unchanged after the dissolution of the body. It ~ no matter for surprise tbat primitive man sbould entertain such an idea. In his case--as has been shown-it was only natural that he should do so, for it seemed a reasonable inference to draw from the mental experiences. N either need one bs greatly surprised to find that such an idea should be entertained during periods when men held what is called the geocentric theory of the universe, £.e., when they believed that the earth was its centre; that the sun and the stars were made for man's special benefit and that man was the object of the special care of the Maker.

Vve have now a better idea not only of the relative importance of our little speck in the universe, but also of our ancestry and past history and our relationship to our environment. This being so, even if we assume the existence of a personal deity, we must feel that it requires a most unwar­rantable degree of presumption and conceit to entertain seriously the idea that in some quite unexplained and inexplicable way, it either has been, or will be, arranged that we shall survive for an indefinite period the death of the body and the cessation of the functions of the nervous system.

(To be C01ltillued ;1/ our next.)

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CORRESPONDENCE. Ruponsibility for the opinions expressed under this heading rests solely

with the writers.

THE FUTURE. To the Editor of the MONTHLY LIST.

DEAR SIR,-I feel that your nOle in the February LIST with reference to the proposed South Place Choral Society is a challenge to all who are interested in the pearls which fall monthly from your editorial chair; and I send you this letter, rather than a postcard, so that I may set down one or two of the thoughts which have been passing through my mind recently. If I do not do this now I fear, among other things, that when I ultimately return to London I may be hauled before the judgment seat and, in com­pany with Mr. Southon, merit the stern condemnation of my friend Mr. Frank Overy.

The object of our Society is "the cultivation of a rational religious sentiment, the study of ethical principles, and the promotion of human welfare, in harmony with advancing knowledge"; but, as I gather from the pages of the LIST, there has recently been among the members a vigorous controversy which goes to the root of the Society's raisor. d' 8tre. 'Whither are we going, and what is our route? We have our Sunday Services, our Popular Concerts, our Discussions, etc., and the influence of these activities is unquestionably good, but I doubt if anyone would venture to maintain that South Place in particular, or Ethical ocieties in general, have met with the success that was anticipated in earlier years. The movement has a more or less artificial appearance of vitality in the London district, but it has not made itself felt to any appreciable extent outside the limits of the Metropolis.

'Vith many others I thought that the war would prove that we had been working on the right lines and that a revulsion of feeling from the dogmas of the Church would bring us many recruits. It is clear that this idea was wrong. People leave the churches, but they do not come to Ethical Societies. We cannot say that we "supply a long-felt want," and it is even doubtful whether we supply anything but a small want at all. I wish it were possible for those who attend South Place on Sunday mornings to tell us why tbe;y do so. Do tbey come only for the lecture? Would tbey continue to come if there were no music? Does attendance at a service belp them to live a good life, except in so far as it assists them to get new ideas on some social, political, economic, or may be ethical problem?

I feel sure that there would be no unanimity in the answers, but I also feel confident that a large majority would be found for a negative reply to the last question. If that be so, is anything gained by having the lectures on Sunday mornings? A rational religious sentiment may be cultivated in a variety of ways-by reading, listening to lectures, hearing music, see­ing plays, etc. Art in all its forms and education in the broadest sense are the main factors in achieving the end we have in view. So far as the masses of the population are concerned, the elementary and secondary schools and bodies like the ';Vorkers' Education Association have more influ­ence for good than all the churches, chapels, and ethical societies put together . Perhaps we do not want to reach the masses, at any rate directly; but, if so, I still ask: why is it necessary or even desirable to have our principal activity on Sunday morning and to surround it with tbe remnants of a ritual wbicb, as far as I can see, are appredated by only a very small minority of those who attend tbe Services.

In a large conglomeration of towns like London it is exceedingly in­convenient for the majority of people to travel up to the heart of tbe city on Sunday mornings to listen to a lecture, or for any otber purpose. Tbis

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period is the main opportunity for recreation and for spending time with one's family which most people have in the week, and in fine weather a turn on the golf course, or a ten-mile walk, does far more to "promote human welfare" than listening to even the best of the excellent lectures which are delivered from our platform. On the other hand, if the only alternative is to make of ourselves a local Society, South Place will lose a position of which she has in past years had every reason to be proud.

What then of the future? I am disturbed by the discovery of the rock on which Mr. Gould's proposal has foundered, for I believe with him that unity should be the keynote of societies such as ours. It is worth noting, however, that the Rationalist Press Association is not suffering from the depression which has overtaken the affairs of the Ethical Movement. It has been active during the war and h:1s prepared for the days of peace, and it is now able to look forward full of hope and confidence to the future. It works, of course, on different lines from ours, and its activities supple­ment those of our own Society, the P..ositivists, and other similar bodies. The" Literary Guide" for FeJiruary announces that the R.P.A . proposes to find a new home as soon as conditions are favourable. Has South Place anything to say to that? Perhaps not, but I think there is at least a sug­gestion there which deserves the earnest attention of all who are concerned for the future welfare and influence of the South Place Ethical Society.-Yours truly, D. CHRISTJE TArT.

A MUSIC-LOVERS' CIRCLE. To the Editor of the MONTHLY LIST.

DEAR SIR,-I am glad you approve of a "Correspondence Circle." May I send another "circle idea "-" a Music-Lovers' Circle" !-as dis­tinct from" Musical," which implies the necessity for a technical know­ledge, and many genuine lovers of music have none. Object: To visit various musical affairs, concerts, organ recitals, light and grand opera, etc. Balcony season tickets for the Queen's Hall Proms' shared by mem­bers (these work out at little more than the promenade) . I am writing Queen's Hall for date and duration of the next season, cost of tickets, and will let you know; it may be too late for this season, but can be arranged for next.-Yours truly, E. MILLICENT MEAR.

A DEFENCE OF MR . RAMSAY MACDONALD. To the Editor at the MONTHLY LIST.

DEAR SIR,-I venture to protest against Dr. Scudamore's statement that the influence of the Pacifists has been invaluable to the militarists, and I differ from his prognostication that their policy would have led to an endless vista of colossal struggles.

Even Napoleon admitted in his latter days that" Force never achieved anything permanent in the world," and although the policy of the" Knock­out Dlow" has succeeded, thanks to the innumerable blunders of the Prussian militarists, it has had already, in the case of Russia, to yield to the greater power of argument, and would doubtless have broken down of its own weight very soon. Anyhow, we have Mr. Henderson's assurance that Mr. Lloyd George's policy in the instance of the Stockholm proposal was identical with that of MacDonald, and my son, and probably millions of other men's sons (some of whom would undoubtedly have swollen the numbers of your Society), would have been alive now, had the policy of peace by negotiation been adopted. The triumph of reason would only have been delayed a few years, whereas the Knock-out Blow has given Germany the distinction of being the first Socialist Republic in Europe, and looks like transferring the militarism to France and England; and we no longer have our sons to help us to fight it.

Before my sons went they carefully considered Ramsay MacDonald's attitude towards the war, and I heard semi-private speeches by him. The conclusion my sons and I came to was that his attitude was that the posi­tion of the C.O. was untenable, but that while the young men held the enemy back wc older men should do all that was possible by negotiation. And we failed them. We stayed behind and "killed Kruger with our mouths."-Yours faithfully, J. J. OULET.

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Treasurer .. ,

Secretaries

ReUVeRARY epPleBRS.

. .. F . W. READ, 65, Harlcy Road, Hnrl<>sdcn, N.W.10.

{Mrs. O. FLETcrum SMITll, 17, Sydcnhnm Park, S .E.26.

.. . W. T. HARVEY, 69, High Street, Uxbridge.

Reoistrar of Members and} . Associates ... Miss F. A. LAW, 59, Montpelier Rond, Pcek1::nm, S.E.IS.

Editor of Monthly List O. J. POLLARD, .. hankJin," The Avenue, Ohingfo:rd .

Libra";ans ... W,'LLIS MANsFoRn, Oherry Tree Court, 53, Ald.rsg-ate St., E.O.1. {

Miss MARY RAWLINGS, 406. Mnre Stre~t, Hn~kney, E.B.

Mrs. STEVENS, Hin, Clapton Common, E.5.

Treasurers and T;'u8,ees { .JOllN AmRF.D, 53, Berners Street, Oxford street, W.l. of the RobuildinU Fund E. CUNNINGIlAM, 52, Bow ].nne, Cheapsidc, E.O.4.

Jon~ ..ALDRED MIss F . A. ARNOLD MISS F. BECllAM G. W. GOODALL Mns. GOOD ALL

Bulldinr;

Concert

Discussions

Music

Publ1ca.tlGna

Soiree

Sunday School

Organist

New Members:

Members of General eommittee.

MISS GRACE GOWING MISS ROSE HALLS MISS F. A. LAW MRS . LIDSTONE N. LIDsToJ>'1l

MRs. HOLYOAKE MARsn F. M. OVERY C. J. POLLARD MRS. C. FLETCIlEU SlIITll MRs. STEVENS

Secretaries of Sub.eommittees.

F . HERDERT bIANSFORD, Wnlden, Kingsend, Ruislip.

ALrRF.D J . CLEMENTS, a, Finchlcy Way, Brcnt Garden ViJlnae, Ohuroh End, Finchley, N.S.

G. W. GOODALL, a, Aberdeen Court, Highbury, N.S.

H. B. GOWTNG , 53, Stnmford Hill, N.16.

E. SNCr.LING, a , Ambcl'ley Road, Lcyton, E.10.

Miss GRACE GOWJNG, 902, Dn.lston Lane, Ha.ckney. E.a.

{Miss F. A. LAW, 50, Montpelier RondA Peckba,m, S.E.1S. Mrs. ST. AU8YN, 18, Emperor's Gate, ::s ,W.7.

H. S1.HTR WElJS7ER, 53, Lor nine Rond, Rolloway, N.7.

Miss ]NEZ SWOI<N, 5, Rigbbury Crescent, N .

Mr. 11. KNIGHT, I, Lnng<lon Rond, Hollown.y, N.

DlllRY FeR MllReH.

MARCH MARCH

2 Service II a.m. 16 Service ... If ~.rn.

2 Popular Concerl 6.30 p.m. r6 Popular Concert 6.30 p.m.

-+ DisCllssion .. , 7·30 p. m. 18 Discu~sion ... 7.30 p.m . 6 Con way Memorial Lec(ul e 7 p.m. 7 Orchestra Praclice 6.30 p.m. 21 Orche~tra Practice 6.30 p.m.

9 Service ... II a.m . 23 ServIce ... 1I a.111

9 Popu l ~ r COlJcert .. , 6.30 p.m. 23 Popu lar Concerl ... 6.30 p Ill.

10 General COl11l11illee meels 6p.m. 2S DisCllssion ... 7.30 P 111.

II Discussion .. . 7.30 p.l11. 28 Orchestra Practice 6·30 P·111.

13 Soiree 7 p.m. 30 Service .. , II 1'.111 .

14 Orchestra Practice 6.30 p .111. 30 Popular Concerl ... 6.30 p. l11.

IV .n .-All communloation> for the Monthlll LiBt ,houId be forwarded NOT LUKn than Ill' 15th of the previous mOllth to O. J . POLLAIID, .. Shanklin," Tbe Avenue. Ohingford