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HO"il. Alan Cranston, Controller, Chairman Hon. Glenn AnderS\pn, Lieutenant Gov~~rrtor Hon. Hale Champion;, .. Di rec to):' of Finance
M!:" F\. J" B;artig, Execl.1tive Officer
QFFICE OE, ... JgE .f~.!,i1!0Rbll];~ w GE~l:&%!:: ~, -'1
Mr'" Patil Joseph1 Deputy Attorney General
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5 ·> 2 ° P~RM!TS, EASEMENTS ,, A~ID -v RIGHTS-OF':"'WAY _..., NO FEE
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(i?.) U.S~ Army. Corps of Engineers
(a) IL W ~ Cypher
(b) Percy Louise Jebsen
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'(c) Jol\'£.1 E~ & Jc1seph.ine 'I'wiford ll~
(d) Willis S: Marjorie :Poll~=:y 19
(e) R.W ~ ancL Ha~;ol Mae s~~·:K::~~HJ, ·. :~1.Q ~\' '
(£) Harold cf an1d t.t'h~lma l~ .1d.x.\d ?:
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(j) Lindsey H. Spigl~tt
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MO'l1ION 01~ CLASSI!tICATION 3 except (s) · ,~tnd (:t.) ,.._... 3
CITY OF LONG BEACH
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Sale of i~O ac ~:Federal land I· in .. .rr:Lni ty Cctinty to Mi.'!:,, ~rod :r,. Vndj ansky · ·
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Propos~d Oil and Gas Lease, Santa Bat"bara Cotntty ;c P~rrct~l 12""2,1 27 .5
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7 ·futhotizatibn to •nter agreement, ·with City of
\· Oceanside stipulatl.n.g o.h .. w.m.. · ·
8' Authorization to enter . agreement with Beachlak~ Corporation. on o.h .. w .. m.
Acceptance of 1958 Mean High Tide Line as boundary and authorization to apprv"•Jt:J stipulation in case of
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Archibald vs. State 16
10 Authorizat:ton to enter comprotni$e set,..t~lemen.t i .. n cast::: of Mendes et"al vs .. Boss et al~ 13
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15 Authorization to enter di:s:clairuer in ca51ie of Willmar.·s
Land Cc. vs.. Sti~te of Gali:S:. 15
12 Confi-:t."lna tion o:E tral>:.Sactions cons 'U'A<mia ted 'b' 1·r E1tecu ti·1ye Officer; ·
Rec f ama t:t o~t Board: Richfield Oil Si.gr1a.l Oil a.nd Gas Dept,. Wat.el~ Resou·.r.c!~B '·
13 !NF0&'1ATIVE: (~a) l1i.tigati.on ;>
14 Gonfii.1nat:ton dJat:e, tinie and pl.ace next meeting
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DISCUSSION ON f:?J.1A'!l~ OF CALiltC1RNIA~" LONC BEAGU WILMING~roN Oil, Dl~Vl~LOPM'J£N!'
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MR, CRANSTON: ;i: ;~ti~i; will pfo.4se' CC\ll~ 'J:he first item i::: permits 1 easements, and ;cights .... c)f;.
pursuant to statt.tte .. t I,
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Appli(!ant (a) U. S. AJ.:nry Corps of Engin(:H:~~s ... _
Otl€:""year pennit to make test bo:t•ings on S·~:ate sovereign lands
of Lower Alkali Lake, Middle Alkali Lake, an.d Upp(~r Alkali
8 ~v:zke, Modoc County, i.t:. · the :LntErrests of national defenue.
9 GOV., ANDERbON: Move it:~.
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11 ~ill.;;. CP~dSTON: Approval moved ~tnd sec onck;;d, .and mad:.:
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13 Item 3 ... - Perin.its, eas.ements, leases, and rights-of1
14 way 1..ssued pursuant to statutes and established rental poli ...
15 ci:;~.s \of the Commission.
16 The Fish and Game D~partrnent has ask~d that item
17 (a) involving R. W10 C:y11her for a two-year prosp~ct:Lng pel.'mit
18 go over to the next m.eet:i.11g, and if there~ is i\o objection
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that will be the o:i:der~
"· l"IR. CRP~NstrON: All right~ !t(\til (b) Percy Lotd .. SE~
two year prospcM! ting pe11n:L t ·£or all intner~.ls o t.l1et"'
th.an 01.l and gas, at standard royalty rat.E;:s, 160 acrc:s State
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Coµnty ;;., ant?:u{;.1 renti4l $65; l' ii /\
· Iteh1 (d) Willis HJ)!, Pqlley and Marjor:te D"' P'olley · ..... · {
County, · c,nnual res.1tal ·$.65; i
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Item (e) R •. w.,. Se~:.ton ,_and Hazel Mae Siel':ton ... -
ten-year lease, Lot 6 ~ Fish Canyon ca.bin site,, I,Qs A11gcles
7 County, annual rentat $65;
s Item (f) Harold 0'4' and 11hf;lma 11~. Ltm.d -- Cance:lla-...
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10 Marin Connty, effect:i..ve May i2, 1961 and· authorization t.o ·
11 make applicat~iort to B·::iard of Control fot' discharge of accot.'l.l1t -
12 bility for· $336 ut~paid rental;
13 Item (g) Magno~.ia Motor a:t1t.:l Logging Compa:ny, Inc. .... · ' .
•• 14 1'1arminatio11 o~ Lease 1 P~R~C-"' 2.097 .1 effectivE?, Novemhe:r. 30,
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1962, ahd acceptance of quitcls,im d•2ed, submerged lands o:f
Klatnath Rivet":i Rumbold.t caui'lty;
1 t~m (h) Ha~;ncl:ta. Motor and Logging Gompe..ny, Inc.
18 . Tet"'mir.~ation of Lea,$e. J~.R.,C+ 2105~):: efftactivc No'iftm1ber 3\)> ' ,,t )'
is/' 1962, and acceptai~,ce 1:>f, quitclaim ?~eed; subinerg~:;d lands of
20 · Kl,.amath Ri 're1", Humboldt: County~. /
21 Item (j.)' .S~1n Francisco Port .Authority
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23. M1l+ CR.t\NS?CON: That:' s the it~;)tn to go .over?
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l, , Item {j) Lindsey ll~ Spight~ dba lJ:tablo Conun.un:tca ...
3 approve ,~sublease to G .and M CQt1st:cuccion Gotnpany for period
4 not b? e1tceedJ term of Lease P~K1t.C-.: 2364.2;1 State school lands
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5 Contra Costt'.: County 1 to be used for a mobile rep9ater-, trans.J,
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7 ,Item ('ft) Guy IJ ... Weatherly - ... F.:tj:te~n .. ·year lease,
8 two par.eel,? of State sovereign.\ lt'.\rtds of O~i1'ens I.take, Inyo
9 County, ~J~n,'itaining L15~4 acres and 16~07 a(!res,, annual r~!ntal
lo $733"'97;' to be used for a road and for a processing site in
11 conjunf.ition vtith Miner·al Extiaction Lease P~R~C~ .. Z967.rt 1.it
12 Mo.tlo:r:a is itl order for ac·tion on' all :L,tems except
13 , Items '(a), and (i),. which ha:v"'e beeti put ove,r to the nexJ:
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. , GOV!!, 1\NDERSON: So move.
MR.~ CHAMPION:· ·. Second1f
M.Jl.- CRANSTON:,. Approval is moved, Sei!·ondBd and
made unanimously.-
Item 4 ....... City of Long ~Be.~ch: item (a.) J?ier E,
20 Berth 121, Filling ctnd Paving, second phase, Additioi1 Ni:~mber
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21 ·' 4; estimated subproject e;;q;:>enditu.re from January 24, 19153 to ·· · ,'
22 termination of $90~QOO, wi.t.:h $38,700 or 43% estimate<! as
23 subsidence costs.
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GGV~ .t\~YDER.SDN: St.~cond.
Mlt111 ClU\NSTON: .Appro,.ral :i.s moved, seconded and ma<.1t
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" 1 MRI); CRAN~TON: Item 5 -- Sa~e ;:Of :r:orty ar:res va~ant
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2 .· Fe$f.era1~ land in Trinity County to occupat1t, Mildred ... .;r. / : ' . . .
Vod'jansky_:» at $6400 (app·ra:is~d value)~ Mrs. Vodjat~.Pky has
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GOV., ANPERSCN: I don 1 t understand this,.,
MR~ HORTIG~ Mr. Chairman and Governor Anderson)
Mrs~ V,odjansky occupied the property originally under a
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recogt'tize, was a common situation in nortfaern California. \1
. Many of the mining claima~\tS ,,. wbo could not perfect I .. ·
the title to the.ir land even though it h:;.d, been in the ·famil
for many years :0r they had purchased it from people who had
unperfected mini.~g claims for many years, .ire t1ow in position
to perfect their title as a result of' the Johnson Bill"
Congressman Johnso11.'s ac,t; a11d' the Bureau of L.'i:tnd Management
can now convey lands ta these pe.opl~ where they have heen
occupied» in fact~,
Mr!J., Vodjansky; on the contrary) as early a.s 1955,
seeking to remedy an identical situation, a:p·plied to the
Sta.te Lands Division. for an exc.han;se of Fed~:ral lai1de-, so
that the State w<..1uld get t'ri•J title to the land whi.ch she
had occupied and on which she had bt.iilt her home ~-site and
ct.:tltivated hl'~r vegetable plot, with the hope tif buying the
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The'Bttrean·o:f<LandManagement has conveyed this
land tq,, the State;'· the St~te Lands Commission· can uow sell .
4 the land. This is one of the applic:a.ti9ns which was in I ,
5 I\ process. be:fipre tlie irora.torium' on. acceptance 'of applict:1tions, -.:··
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7 rules and :e·egulat.ions; and the C)nly question is: whether Mrs"'
8. Vodjansky should l:;>e charged for the imp:t:1ovements on the
9 property ....... and v;e have an" opinion from the Attorney GE::•:i.eral 1 s.
lo Office writteu b~r Deputy Paul Joseph, who is here, if the
11 Commissioners ha:ve any questions·~
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MR.1 CRANSTON: Will you make a motion?
GOV., .ANDERSON: Make the mot:ton,,,
MR. CHAMPION: Second.
MR. CRA~STON: Moved, seconded, ~:1d approved "
unanimously~
Item 6 - .... proposed Oil and Ga.s Lease, Santa Barbar
18 County ""'.Parcel 12 .. Frank?
19 Iv!&. HORTIG: This is a request for authorizati6l.~
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to advertise for bids on what ~;onstitutes the last remaining ,
unleased parcel of tide and submerge.d lands considered by
the State Lands Commission for le.a.SE~ offer between Point
Conception and the old Elwood Oil F:ield ..
~~.. CRA~lS'fON ! Approval of the leasing program :i.s ,\
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'MR"' CtfAJ.\.iPION: 'hvve apprioval ..
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2 MI(~ CH.ANSTON: Approval· 1.s moved, seconded, made
3 unanimously. ,, 4 Frank, do you 'have any comments on where we go from
E'r here on. the leasing program?
6 MR.- HORTIG:. Yes, sir,·. the Conrnission ''has,.heretofor
7 authori~ed the nec,essary reviews; public hearings, which. wer:e
8 not ;'~q:µired to be held under the law, were held rieverth.eless
g in Orange County; and the staff now has under s.tud. y for recomr···
10 J mend.a tion to the Comm.:tssion in the immediate future an addi-
11 tiot'!~.l series of leases which will be consfder~d for Orange
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GOV. ANDERSON:: Is this what. is commonly referred
to as the grthird mile 0 ?
l:'!R~ RORTIG: This includes the third miJ:,e,
GOV~ ANDERSON: What area is this?
M.,~., HOilTIG: All the area west of the weste:r11111ost
leases in Huntington Bea~h -'to the easternmost lease in Seal
Beach.
MR. CRANSTON: What is the prospective leasing
program?
MR~ B.ORTlG: The first lease in Orange Coun'(:y
could be available to the Coxmn:tssion before the end of the
fic,scal year. The!.:·o, are also two other parcels -- one, pos ... \".
sibly ~ in Ventura County and anc.1ther small parcel :tn. Sant:tt. -.,
Barbara C;,;,unty) · )J.ich may be i.nclud~d :tn that schedull.'.~; but
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pr0gram11: the next large series r.-1ill be focused in Orange
County,., '
GOV~ ANDERS Oi.\f: What date do you think - ... not '
later than June?
MR,.. HOR'l'IG: Ac.•tual recommendations to the Commis
sion for advertising ·::or .9ffers will probably he available
to the Commission not later than the March meeting,.,
GOV~ ANDERSON: That's for advertising; then, when
will the bids be :re1cei ved! ·
MR~ HORTIG: In May or June; and then followed in
sequence by rn.ore parcels in Orange County. This is only as It
to the first parcel in the SE#quence in Orange County,. Govern
MR. CRANSTON; This will permit contj~nuing thestep
up program of development and bringing in additional incotl\e.,
MRt HORTIG: Yes, sir. 'I'hi.s is what it Is being
designed to accomplish.
MR._, CRANS1l'ON': Are thex:e any qiiestlotis \JU this
pb:i.i>.t before we continue? (No respor1se) !£ not, Item 7 --
Authorization for Executive Officer tel enter into an ag:eee ...
m!ent wlth the City of Oceanside stipulating the 02~dinary higc
water mark along th<a Gttl1f C!f San ta Catalina a,nd fixing th<;~
boundaiy betw~E1n State tidelandscand property owned by the
G:tt:y of Oceanside wi.thin the City limits if Oceansi:.dt?, San
Di.cr;o County.
MR., Cl:U~b1IP10J.\!: Move~ approval.
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Mil~ CRANSTON: Approval is moved, seconded and
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GOV~ ANDERSON; Thi$, aga:tu, :ts strict~y property
that is Oceanside's, with no oth-~r land involved?
MR. HORTIG: This is the ocean boundary between
the State tide and submerged lands and the uple.nds which>
with.in the scope of. the agreement here being approyed, are
contr·olled by the Clty of Oceanside~ By .ce£erer1ce t\» th~
map following page 32., Governor,, yoti see it is in two seg
ments, with a break in the middle,. ·The break ju t\':te middle
is the subject of the approval. !hi;:; next agenda i. tem
concerns the boundary between f3tate property and the prope1: ·y
owned by the Beachla.ke Corporation4 · In both of these, a.tree
men ts> the C(ommission wi 1.t have established th,e boundary
line along the entire beach frontage, regardless of crwne:t-
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MR." CRANSTON: Item 8 -- Authorizatiot1 for EJ\ecu ... ),
tivfh Office~ to enter into an agreement with Beachlak~ !/
Cor:poration., stipulating the ordinary high water mark along
the Gulf of Santa Catalina and fixing the boundary between
State tidelcSr.i.ds anJpr9perty owned by BE::achlake Corporation 11~· ·':::>
in the vicini ty\<?F 996ans'fd.e, $)~.n Di\l!go County .. ,,
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GOV ftANlll~RS ON:
tJ:ovc', <1.!?Pl'.'Cc'll~t. I Now, does thi.s :till th(J; gap com.., (
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Qovernor, on the map following page 32, the break is on the .
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GOV·~ ANDERSON: The .· ac. tual line is t• .••• ·•·
MR. HORTIG: The beach line should be 'longer*
GOV. ANDERSON: Second.
MR~. CRANSTON: Approval is moved, seconded, made
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' ·Item 9 .. .Acceptance:1' of the 1958 Mean High Tide
Line, as surveyed by the Conuniss~.on pursuant to Chapter 34,
Stats. 1954, lst E .. S .. , as tht~ 0ori:imon houn.4a.ry between
Patented Swainp and Overflowed I.:ands Survey No.. 9, San Mateo ii . .
C'1Unty, and the sovereign l~nds, g1~anted ·to the City of Red-
wood 'city pursuant to Chapter 135 9 :i Sta ts. '195 9 as amended, "
16 and aiuthorization for Kxectiti ve Offi;cer to appt:ove p;coppsed
17 stipulation in Lhe case of. Arch:tbald vs ... State, San Mateo
lH County Superior Court Case No.. 102lt.76 ..
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'MtR. 1-tORTIG~ The recommended stipulation,, Mr ..
Cha.irm~trt, :Ls 'to resolve the ques;tion of a boundary problem
in which the Stat·e Lands Cotpmisi'lion, by inheritanc1e, got
into the si, tuation twice: Fi1:s t; the Surveyor General's
Office in many years past sold swamp and ovorflowe~d lands, \
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the t'ccords of whit:;h the Lands Cc.mimissi<.in. is now the custod:t .n ..
25 Also, t:hl.~ Legislature subsecpJently g:t"anted adjoi.ning t:tde an
J submr::~r~.'.'.,ed ltinds to the C:i. ty t;f H.e.dwcod Cit~~·,. wi. th CE~:t:t.ai.n
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The boundary b'etween :the pr"eviously granted ti<le
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the swamp and overflowed lands, and the State, and the Gj.ty
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adjoining~
It is the recc.Ymmendation that this stipulacion
accepting this line be authorized for approval., Deputy
Joseph again is counsel in this litigation, if there are
any further questions.
GOV"' ANDERSOJJh I' 11 move it.
MR. CHAMPION: Second ..
MR. CRANSTON: Approval is.moved, ser.!ontlled; made
unanimously.
Item '10· Authorization for Executive Of:£ice:i: to
request tli~ Attorney General to enter into a compromise
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for pa:yment of $1, 000 to the State in consideration for the
State ts disclaiming its right, title and !nt;erest, Lf,.a.ny,
in the area which is the subjf.~Ct: oi~ the action ..
MR. HOR.TIG: 'l:he part:tcu.lar action consists ttt the
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q-uesti.(;:ni of just how much qf a sand bar islar,td in' th: s~~ra- J
mento River is in pr1.vate ownership, whether a po:r.;t.ion or ('
3 all of it. Th~ State appears to have a claim to a poseible
4 ~lpstream segment thereof; but t,n order to clear. title to th(?. J
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7 in <:!cinsideration of any title to the sa.ti:<l bar - - whl.ch is
s adequate :~nd th~ acceptance is recommended by the. Office of ' '
9 the Attorney Genel:'al, rat!fer than litigate and establish the
20 State 1 s claim to an isolated sand bar in the Sact..:mlcnto
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GOV. ANDERSON: Looking at this map here, this is
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MR. HORTIG: · Essentially above ,t;he highwctY ~.
GOV. ANDERSON: Above the highway?
MR~t HORTIG: Yes; sir~
GOV"' ANDERSON: And what is the assessed valuat:Lon~
Mll., JOSEPH: I don t t know~· With r$spec t to · the
lowec part of that island, there was some litig3.tiotl. some
years ago and there was quite a long litigation ....... finally
compr<:"rniscd 'by taking oni~ thousand dollars from the claimant
for the lower pat"'t of that i.sland. Having establi.sh<~d that
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MR HORTIG: In relationship► to the c mparative
areas, the fact is the State disc
a much larger portion of the land for a thousand dolla
7 MR, JOSEPH. And the state of the title is ex
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9 GOV. ANDERSON: What is the land being used for.
MR JOSEPH: Recreation. There is a marina right
to t: he north where there is that .. ndentation from the riv
GOV ANDERSON: This is land is how long -- four
long?
MR HORTIG our acres ix the no ern
CRANSTON; Motion is in order.
CHAMPION : Move approva
GOV ANDERSON: Second,.
M261., CRANSTON; Approval is moved made
ut ously.
Item 12 -- Confirmation of transactions onsum-
mate by the-.74xecutive Office- pursuant to uthor. authority
CO firmed by the gommi sion at its mee ng Octeber
MR CHAMPION Move aPProYal.
GOV* ANDERSQN: Second.
MR 1iORTIG: .nk you skipped L.,:am
D.DNS "C Itam i 2 approved unantqo
in a very good position to claim t,,ie
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~eques t t,he A ttQ:t;'ney General i.n the case of Willmat:s La.net Co. ' ' it ·,\ ' , ~: ~\.~· ; :I_ ',
vs., State of Cal:Cfo)i/rnia., Sacra.m~nto County Superi~;r Cou:r,;c
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5" claimed" by the plaintiff~: in co11sideration of the plaintiff
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7· men to River.
8 M.R.r HORT!G: , , In this instance, Mr. Chairman, the . ,
9 map following page 46 of the agenda, at the top, indi.ct:ttes
10 the location of a chann.el which was artific,ially dredged
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MR., CRANSTON: Motion is in order ..
MR .. Gl-lAMPlON: Move approval.
GOV~ ANDERSON: Second~
MR. CRANS'J:ON: Approval is moved, ~ec onded and
tnade unanimously.
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al~., As the Commi7sion will remember, legislation was aqopte \\ - -~
at, the lt:1;st sessiJ;n o-€ the Legislature for considet•atibn of
es:.:tabl:ttJ· ng a un.ified p'Ctrt district for all lands. in San
Diego Harbor, including those previously granted by the
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a that statute, objection has been vcd.6ed by the City of
9 Coronada, who do not wish to be included in a unified port
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11 lands previously granted to them to a uP.ifi·ad port district.
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action the State Lands Connn:i .. ssioit was named a party defenc}a11t
heari:p.g to be a.t Sat'l Franciscc.) January 29.
Mlt-. CHANSTON: Any action required?
I•t.tt~ HORTIG! Ne, s:tr ,..._ just for you1" inforniation '
be.ca.use :i. t is new li.tiga t:ion n''t p:r.t~·~vioiJ.sly reported.
CHAlYiPION:
MIL. UORTIG:
place of n~:n-tt mtn.;ti:i:.1g,.
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l The staff of the State Lands Ttlomro:tssicn ar~1d the . .
2' C:tty ·of .Long lSeach and. the Offi~~ c·f the ,AttornGy Gen'era.l "( " ,, , ..
3 • ·. ar·e $.till burning' yh.e m:tdcight; oil on ~:esolutfon o~: problem~ . . \ . ~
4 of ref lee ti.ng, in the various forms. of proposed ~~ont:eac ts to''1
5 be considered by the Cor..rrnission the · a.pp~t·oprfate and n.ecess-'
6 a.ry controls to permit the most effectiv1e develo~pment of
7 the east end -of Long ~each to the be$t ii·~1,ter(ests of th~e
s State of California and the City of Long rl~ach~
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sion 0£ such a report for p17ese11tation to t:h~~ Commission
now is ...... and not for purposes of f:i.:rr.ing any respons:Lb:tlity,
but just in the sequence of ti.ming -- the State Lands Divi
s:ton s t.af f is awai tittg the 1~cquisi ta legal opinion from the
·Office of the Attorney General .as to W'a~.t faqets may be
considered by the Corr.mission as a matter of policy, and
that all the elements chat the staff v,d.ll rep(.,r'~ are legall
properly :founded and suppo:1cted"'
When thu~ opi.nicn is received, which .it is esti ...
meted will be shortly and could be by the beginning of l'h~At
w0ak, wher~es the staff b.a.s not seen it, ·;./:e. have a rough /J
estimate' it: w,411 bo somethiHg in the order of seventy to
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one hundred pages in length" 1l~h:ts, cd: nocc.ssity !I is going
to require analy·si.s hecau$t~f 'WO f:l.r(~ cct'ta:tn that th('.1re will
be elements stated th~:~·r1:.di:n. whore 1.t td.11 b~ pcd.n.t~~d out t:haL
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1dr~\fting the ag~nda item,. On an item of 1;his order of· ·,\ . . . .,
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~tnd r~bsorb' hc1th the Attorney ·Gene:r:al 's opinion, the staff ,'\ I •• - \
'l~epo~'t, anC:,\ such :r:.eports as th~~ City of Long Bt~ach wish to
mritke,. and t\1J~n be in a position to iha.v~ a presentation of
r<1~~CQmrt\et1dat:i.',on~}, wh:tch tht~ Con:unissic1n can consider at pos-
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Ant1:.ic:l:pating all of these actions c.an be completed
r~~co:rnme;ldatio.ns ~can he formalized and. brought to the Comm.ts ....
sion p1:~'ror tl> the next regular meeti1:1.g of the Commission ....... '1
which yc1u gentle1nen have con.firmed for February 28th.
MR~ CBJ\1'1PION: Let me ask: Which procedure do you
th:tnk is going to be more useful? The Commission undoubted!
is going to havla to spend some time looking at a proposal as
17 broad as th:i.s fr The question is, do we benefit by i ha:ving a
.. 1s spccia.1 h~aring early in the process, or do we go ovt::i;- this
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seems to me we are going to end up probably having two meet
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then take some time to consider, some of it,. and then have
another meeting in whi.ch to actflij I don• t .see this all being
don(;; in one meeting of tho Commission" I d<)n 't know what
the~ pleasure of th(~ otb.t:lr members is*
MlJ.* CRANSTON: 1f'ha t: ts cet"tn.:i.11ly what I wot1ld thinl 1.
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for staff r1eview; prepar~tion of agenda item ...... .,. 1• ' ' •
MR~,; CHAMPION! How a.bo:ut in li~ebruary?
MR.~f· HORTIG: .... and dJ.;striht\:~icn, which would bring \~,
us on that calendar to a mid ... February de.te for a meeting of
thf~ nature supported by the type of d{rta, the complete collec ...
·tion of data, 'that Mc4 Champion sugget;tedll
GOV"' ANDERSON: The11 w0uld it 'be you:: thought at
that: meeting to have it preset1ted and b.ea:r people protest or
talk on it, hut not for action at that t.bnta?
MR., CHAMPION:: If l knew what ,z.verybody· is going
to say at that meeting, that woulq. be ,another rnati~e~t·; but I
don't think I cd~tld be prepared to:;act at. that tbne •.
MR. CRANSTON: No, I don. 1 1t thi;r1k any of us1 co\tld.,..
M'Jl~ HORTIG~ Mt~. Sieroty pit'esented a quest:ton that·) ;.
I think, the Commission should consider in connection with 'l
this sc.hedulittg -- which is very muc~ in point. Havi:n.g
estimated a poss:tble minimum need to in:i,d .... ]reb:r::uary to 'have an
agenda :LtRm that is prepared, that is fully supported, as
you sugg\ested, then if industry, for e:tt.anLple ~ should also be
hea.rd on this St1.bjec·t, they must have an Opportuni.,ty to revi<W
th:t.s agen.da ttem be.fore they can mak~ their presentation to ;. • ?
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have just suggested! If yot1 knew what waa going to be sa:td
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the st:aff .and people representing Long Beach, but people
interested in that development f:eom a Vf!riety of points of ''
view; a~d 't:.7e will have toy: afford a full .. opportunity for \~ ;' ' '" "":\ '
them to be :b.ea:t:d and an cpr£.Jrtuni ty for us to " considet"0 what
MR. CHAMPION;. This is not a conventional bid
proced11r1~ and we have to look at it from the standpoint of
the way it is being handled by a person who is not an
agent.
?v1R •. HORT1G: There :ts npthing convent:l.onal about "
it, Mr.: Ch1ampion, because what is under consideratioti· is the
potential development of what may become the largest o:tl
field in th1e State of California,. So there is no precedlmt ""
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17 'MR1· CHAM.PION: Mr. Chairman, I 1d like to suggest
18 we have a special meeting as soon as all the material is
19 ready and we ~;an adv:tse people they can appear before the •I
20 Board'1' As socn1 as that is possible, we might schedule a
21 special meeting~
22 J.vlR. CRANSTON: Do you have any idea now when it
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IYiR. HORTIG: l can estimate for the Commission' on
the following b~asis of assumptions: One, Attorney General's
opinion received and in hand and available :Eor initial rt;1V:lt::.W
he meeting you could cone .ude-, ndustry Icnew-what
going to be in the agenda, item, 1-.ey could be prepared,
In this tuation, the !! might wish to allow
time for Long Beach, of cour0e, and any other citizen who
ishes, to have an oppOrtunity, to make a review of the st
report to the Commissiaa so that there can be the ful rang
of considered opinion brought to the Commission at the time
of this initial hearing.
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material to be in the hands of Long Beach, the industry and
others, we really aren't talking about being able to do very
much before the time of our next meeting, or a least a few
days ahead of i t -- certain
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MR GRAN TON: l wonder - It seems to me it is
going to, tare that long - Could we have a meeting, say, on
Thursday, February 21st, hich would seemingly give adequate
time for eurerybody involved to have an opportunity to he-
what is c ming ►
MR. CHAMP 0 k And if • proves to be a ery simpl
matter, e willl be in a position tai act a the meeting there
after° a if not, we will have additional
MR HORTIG: I think with the nder s tand in tba
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MR. CI-IAMPJ.ON: Well., the date sugge$ted by the
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MR. HOR1,IG: We will certainly do ~~erything to ,,
meet that target date. Aga.in 1 Mr~1 Chairman, if I may sugges,,.
on behalf of the staff, as I said· we will make e.lery Bf fort
to meet this ¥S a target date; but we have, also, the same I .
problem Mr.. Champion voiced earl:ler: If we knew what would
be contained in the Atto:r:ney General 1 s opinion, we would be
well prepared.
MR .. CRANSTON: So ·we can give some ad'i·ance know
ledge, let's schedule the meeting for February 21st, tert
o 1clock~ and hold the regular meeting on the 28th. I think
Vi'2 be\tter r'eserve the whole day of th:: 21st in case we have
m.any people who wish to express their viewpoints,. So - ...
te;!n a.m,, the 21st with the possibility of a full day, and
thE:~t1. egain ten a.m"" the 28th,, when we hope we can act - ...
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MR. HORT!G: Of necessity.
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